August 3, 2025 • 45 mins
Ricky Johnson, David Harrington, and Clayton McGeeney were last seen alive on January 7, 2024, watching the final regular-season Kansas City Chiefs game at the home of their friend, Jordan Willis.
Two days later, authorities found their frozen bodies outside the house.
After a yearlong investigation, prosecutors charged Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson in connection with the deaths, which gained national attention. Both men face three counts of involuntary manslaughter and two counts of delivering a controlled substance. Police say Carson, known as "Blade Brown," supplied and sold cocaine to Willis and the victims. Investigators found Carson's DNA on a bag of fentanyl inside Willis' home.
During the investigation, law enforcement initially said they did not suspect foul play. A toxicology report later confirmed that the men had cocaine, THC, and fentanyl in their systems. Police have since ruled the deaths as caused by "fentanyl and cocaine toxicity."
As the case progressed, Willis moved out of the home and checked into rehab. A forensic analysis of Harrington’s phone uncovered text messages between Willis, McGeeney, Johnson, and others, linking Carson to the cocaine supply. DNA evidence identified Willis as a major contributor, and a second bag contained DNA matching Carson, confirming his role as the drug supplier.
Now, as the two suspects face each other in court, they don't even look at each other.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jonathan Price - Brother of Ricky Johnson
- Derek Smith - Criminal Defense Attorney
- Dr. Heidi Green - Clinical Psychologist, Trauma Specialist, and Author: ‘The Path to Self-Love and World Domination; IG: @drheidigreen
- Barry Hutchison - Former 26-year Law Enforcement Veteran and Detective, Owner & Chief Investigator for Barry & Associates Investigative Services located in Kansas & Missouri
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast --- launching on April 7th, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Eric Zahnd - Platte County Prosecutor in Missouri
- Alexis Tereszcuk - Crimeonline.com Investigative Reporter
- Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three friends, three Kansas City
Chiefs fans, dead in the backyard and on the porch
of another friend. To other Chiefs fans have a cold
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blooded reaction when they meet face to face in court
over the murder of their friends. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us. Two former friends are accused of killing three
Kansas City Chiefs fans, and they just sat in the
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last days, shoulder to shoulder in a Missouri courtroom, staring coldly,
straight ahead, stone face and never stating a single word
to each other. It was Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson,
less than five feet apart in the Platte County courtroom
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before Judge Abe Quint Schaeffer. Willis was wearing a blue
buttoned down and slacks. He's free on one hundred thousand
dollars bond. Carson steel jailed hobbled in wearing an orange
jumpsuit and ankle shackles. Each one faces three counts of
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second degree felony murder and distribution of drugs and the
deaths of their friends, Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton mcgeiney.
Their frozen bodies were found outside Jordan Willis's home on
a cold January ninth. All of them had gathered for
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what was supposed to be a fun Sunday watch party
watching the Chiefs, and despite a friendship amongst all of
them group text being fans of the Chiefs regular get togethers,
these do didn't even look at each other in court.
And I think I know why. Two arrested over the
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deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans who apparently froze
to death and their scientist's friend backyard and on his porch,
and he didn't notice a thing for two days. A
guy is dead, your friend is dead in a lounge
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chair on your porch, and you go two days ignoring
repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family and friends.
You don't see any of that. You show up at
the front door and you're underwear with a glass of
wine and go, hahua, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution
of a controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining
me in All Star Panel but first I want to
go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price,
the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson. Jonathan,
thank you for being.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
With us, Thank you for having me Nancy.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Jonathan, I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come.
You said from the get go, something is wrong, something
is horribly wrong. It didn't happen this way, and you
were right, yeah, it just from.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still
doesn't make sense that they were able to rule out
foul play from day one, and then you know, with
these charges. I mean, I don't know the legal definition
of foul play, but it definitely seems like they now
believe that there was foul play. So just keeping us
in the dark for this long, it's very troubling, but
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there is still a sense of relief among all of
us that this is hopefully coming to a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You guys have been dragged through hell and back. And
during the Super Bowl when of the Chiefs were playing,
I thought about you and your family, and I wondered
what's going through their minds tonight as everybody's celebrating and partying,
and you still did not have answers in your brother's death.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily,
and you know, even more so when the Chiefs are
playing or KU's playing. You know, there's you know, he
cared much about his family and his sports, and we
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shared that our entire lives and uh, you know those
those memories will always live on and uh, you know,
like I said before, it's there. There is a sense
of relief that, you know, something that's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
From all of this. Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when
everybody was celebrating and there was the big lead up
to the Chiefs playing in the Super Bowl and everybody's
what's Taylor Swift gonna wear? And are they going to
get engaged? Is she pregnant? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Were you thinking what about my brother? What about my brother?
(05:31):
Because I was thinking that the whole way through the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and
you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for
a very long time. And then you know, we were
still hearing that there was no foul play. You know,
there's there's just too much still out there, and it's
it's all about what's going to come out of trial.
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But you know there's still lots of questions.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, you're right, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna to be
a trial. You guys kept in the dark for so long,
which must have been agonizing, agonizing as you wanted so
badly for your brother to get justice, and to think
that for all that time, he sat in his house,
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throwing back the booze, hanging around in his underwear. And
this guy is no idiot. He's a scientist, for Pete's sake.
Ignoring the dead body in allounced chair on the porch,
ignoring his friend's cars parked directly in front of his house.
How can you ignore that? How can you not hear
the phone for two days, not notice that you are
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being barraged in social media and texts and emails, acting
like nothing happened, and then to pack up and leave town. Well,
this is how the whole thing started.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
January seventh, there is a football day for the Kansas
City Chiefs as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers.
So thirty eight year old Jordan Willis it's a couple
of buddies to come to his house and watch the game.
David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's
house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff.
They enjoy the games. The Chiefs beat the Chargers thirteen
to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to get
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tickets to the next home game.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together.
Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the
guys off and crashes on the couch.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not
leave his home at all. He would normally have to
take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,
but they're all staying at his dad's place.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Okay, wait a minute. He had described his dogs as
the quote loves of his life. How did they end
up somewhere else? Okay, that's just a tangential question. But
right there, something is way wrong. Joining me. Crime Stories
investigative reporter Dave Matt Right there, Dave, Jordan Willison, this
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is on a sun the scientist. He waves away the
friends and claims he crashes on the sofa for what
the next two or three days? I mean, if you
take it from Sunday until finally the police were at
the front door after the girlfriend breaks in the window
to find the dead body and starts screaming. I mean,
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that's his story day, seriously.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
And he's sticking to it, Nancy. He has always claimed
that he crashed out, doesn't know what the guys did.
He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours,
and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any
pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because
that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys,
family and friends were reaching out to him because they
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were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept
through the entire thing for three days and he only
got up when they basically broke into his house and
tell him there were dead guys on the backyard.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother
who passed away. You know, when I think about what
he went through, it was so cold out there, do
you let yourself. I mean, I try not to think
about what my fiance went through when he was murdered.
He was shot five times in the face, the neck,
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the head, and I try not to think about it,
because it will mess me up so badly, and I
have children to raise. Do you ever let yourself think
about what Ricky went through while their friend was inside
in his underwear passed out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, I think about that all the time, you know,
especially with you know, these these three gentlemen, you know,
being inseparable for a very very long time, and for
all three of them to happen at the exact same time,
and what some of them were going through in the
final moments of seeing maybe one of their friends go
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down first. So many questions still on how that would
have happened.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And I pray that all the facts, not just some
of the facts, but that all the facts will come
out and we will know. Is no idiot? Three days
Sunday Monday Tuesy, and I never knew my friend. My
friend was dead on the front on the back porch,
and my other friends were dead lying in my yard.
(10:26):
How can he? How can he say that? Oh? Yeah,
and all the phone calls and all the texts and
all the emails and all the social media. He said
he was wearing noise canceling headphones for three days.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones, and
he was in his house. He didn't notice the car
in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends.
He wasn't texting them the day after. Hey, guys, let's
go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs
had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off
from the whole world and noise canceling headphones. Sure, maybe right,
(10:58):
You maybe can't hear a little in the next room,
but you're going to hear people beating on your door
and you're going to see your phone flowing up for
two days.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So let me understand something, Dave Mac. How many days
passed before the girlfriend the fiance has to come and
literally break in? When did that happen? Just give me
a number.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Two days?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Two days?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
What day was on the game was Tuesday?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the
ninth is the day police are at the door.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, you know what. They didn't teach me math in
law school. But seven eight nine, that's three days. Seven
is Sunday, the day of the game, which is in
the early afternoon, all night, all day Monday until finally Tuesday,
(11:52):
when the fiance is beside herself. She can't find her
fiance and goes looking for him. Listen.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were
headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but
now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying
to messages on social media or by phone.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton
McKinney's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the
cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the
phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home
and screams Willis's name. She walks through the house. Then
she looks on the back porch and sees a body.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me. This
is Ricky's brother, beloved brother. I might ad they grew
up together, and they would argue about who's going to
watch Power Rangers and who's gonna watch ESPN. Very very
loving relationship, their whole lives. In my mind, that's three days.
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You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together
in Sunday night all day Monday, Monday night, and then
Tuesday nine fifty one that's nearly ten o'clock at night.
Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to
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break in and seize a dead body. Is my timing correct, Jonathan?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm
not very good at math either, but you know, there's
there's a question in my mind that there's no possible
way you can sleep that long and just not know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I agree, Jonathan, no way. What was he doing in
the joining me is a veteran defense attorney who has
handled a number of high profile cases. Derek Smith is
joining me out of Ohio. He's at d W Smithlegal
dot com. Derek, really the defense I slept through the
(14:03):
whole thing. I mean, for those of you who just
joining us, finally movement a bombshell arrest of two people
in connection with the deaths of three Kansas City chiefs
fans who were frozen to death and their buddy, the
scientist backyard Derek Smith. Can he really look at a
(14:25):
jury and say, I slept for three days with noise
canceling headsets on, I knew nothing.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Yes and no, and this is a terrible situation. Is
best friends some of his frenzies with this whole entire life.
Like they said, they were very close, utter uttershock and
disbelief and just manic depression will put somebody down. Looking
out your window and seeing your friends in the condition
they were in. That's enough right there to send a
person into deep shock, disbelief and just pass right back out.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Does not want to be that's a good one. So
he saw the bodies and then passed back out, you
know to doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist,
author of The Path to Self Love and World Domination,
Doctor Heidie Green dot com. Doctor Heidie. So now we're
getting a spin on that and no telling what it's
(15:15):
going to morph into by the time this goes to trial.
So Jonathan Price braced yourself. So Derek Smith is spinning
it out, you know, like Rumpel Stileskin would take that
nasty hay out of the barn and spin it into gold.
He is now hypothesizing that the defendant, one of the
two arrested in the desks of three people that were
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left to freeze out in the yard one on his porch,
is that he came to from his deep sleep, you know,
I'll throw in sleeping Beauty there he came to, saw
the dead body of his friend and then passed out.
Doctor Heidi Green, psychologically speaking, that seems very unlikely to me.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for
seventy two hours as a result of a significant trauma.
And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if
that's what we're going with, and you saw them in
your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a
(16:17):
significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a
freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their
house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and
look at the bodies, wanting to essentially just pretend like
nothing's going on. But to actually be unconscious for seventy
two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma report.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, it was a bone chilling
January nine, mcgheiney's fiance, April Mahoney, actually broke into Willis's
home after she had called over and over and over
frantically trying to find her love, who she had not
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heard from for two days, and it was there she
found the bodies of three men in all frozen solid,
all still dressed in their Kansas City Chiefs gear, slumped
in the backyard, and now there remained two, Jordan Willis
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and Ivory Carson. The two sat lesson five feet apart
in court as a judge ruled their case. We'll go
to trial. What happened that Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Clayton mcguinea's fiance Colls Police officers arrived to find Willis
in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand.
According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were
then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he
has no idea what happened. John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis,
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said his client had no idea his friends were dead
until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote, my
husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My friend
banged on his door and then busted a window and
yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and steal
nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes later,
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and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an
empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave
Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes they do. And Jonathan Price is with me. This
is Ricky's brother, Jonathan. Your brother is always described as
a Kansas City Chief fan. That's really not doing him justice.
He was so much more. Tell me, well, Ricky was
very humble.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw
the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime,
no matter if at one time they were seen as
you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends
in general. But he was just such a kind person,
loving father, brother, son, cousin. You know, he he was
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truly cherished by our entire family.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Tell me about your family, Well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
We kind of we grew up, you know, separated at
some points, but we always came together for family events.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own
different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules
matched up to where we can all see each other.
And when I was in the military, anytime I came home,
they were Ricky and my other brother Rusties, they always
made it a point, and my sister Lisa, they always
all made it a point to come home all to
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be together every time. So we you know, we chaished
each other. And there's very fond memories of uh of
Ricky growing up and everything he was to all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
When you say the memories you had growing up memories, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My love for football, I love for all sports came
from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers,
you know, throwing the football farther that I could imagine
when I was a you know, small child, I just
I looked up to them. You know. We we went
to the very first game that Patrion Mahomes was playing
in the preseason, and uh we you know, he met
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my entire family. And you know, even though we were
states away, you know, we always we always talked about
the sports of Kansas City and you know, everything that
we were accomplishing. Finally, after so many years of being
you know, an up and down team. You know, we
we shared a lot of memories together, and uh, I
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just I love them.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
We are learning more about the deaths of the so
called Three Chiefs.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Fans as news starts to spread of the three friends
freezing to death in the backyard while their friend is
asleep inside. The families of the victims begin to speak
out and ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis
is what happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls,
text messages and social media messages from family and friends
of the three men.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next
two days in his home not thinking anything of the
fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only
learned they died when the fiance of one of the
men broke into the house on January ninth in the
hopes of finding him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Jonathan Price, Where were the victims cars part in relation
to the friends home?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I guess if you're based on what I've heard, if
you look out the front door, they were just off
to the right, And I guess there was potentially out
of the three cars, because I think someone might have carpooled.
But either way, my brother drove in that F one fifty,
so it was, you know, se my large truck right
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there in the front. There's no way to miss it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So Barry Hudgeson joining me, former l e now chief
investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri.
Barry let me understand, so this guy the so called
friend could find a wine glass and fill it up
with wine, and find his noise canceling headphones. He could
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find those, he could see those, but he couldn't see
his dead friend on the porch and in the yard,
or their vehicles part in front of his house.
Speaker 13 (22:43):
Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for
how everything happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It just makes no sense at all.
Speaker 13 (22:50):
You know, I've been thinking about this and one of
the things that I thought about. You know, the guy
came to the door in his underwear, and he said
that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We
knew that he'd been drinking a lot, apparently, so if
he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his
body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three
solid days. If he never got up, he would have
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wet hisself. Did he come to the door with soiled
underwear or did he look like he urinated on his sef?
You know, when you arrest a drunk on the street
most of the time and they're awake, theype all over
their self. This guy didn't look like he urinated on
his stef because if he didn't, that kind of shoots
that story right in behind the end.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He asked me, Yeah, I mean he had to get
up and go to the bathroom. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me,
and he's here for other reasons, but since we're on
this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me. Chief Medical Examiner
Terrant County. That's fort Worth never Alike, a business esteemed
lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine TCU and launching a
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new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven. Doctor Crown's is
that true what Barry just told us? I mean, how
could he go seventy two hours drinking let me add
that in and not getting up and finding his way
to the bathroom. Oh?
Speaker 14 (24:06):
I agree with that. There's no way you could sleep
for three days after consuming them with chilcohol and also
eating that. Your body wouldn't urinate on itself for defecates.
So it's impossible to believe that he spent that entire
time asleep and not getting up and go at least
going to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about
whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was
a fifth man in the home on the night of
January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who
left earlier than the other three men.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of
the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction
found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis, mcgheini, Johnson,
and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied
the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him
as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second bag.
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Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Packs up and goes to rehab. So to Jonathan Price,
when did you learn that the so called best friend
of your brother packs up, clears out the house, takes
his dog, and goes to rehab.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I mean, the only time that we found out was
whenever he was reported in the news, which is kind
of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you
have the mental capacity to know you have a problem
after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you
know you know more about what happened that night. And
I don't know if you shared that or not with
the authorities. But the fact that he was not detained,
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you know, after that night or the past fourteen months,
doesn't really make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the
go to with your clients and all the stars. It's
only after they're busted for something that they suddenly realize
they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really
change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these
cases a serious edition.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, it's akin to.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Being in a certain way of life, certain way of
doing things. Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and
then something tragic or something terrible, or the law gets
involved and you have to make a drastic change. And
that's unfortunately just how it is.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us,
Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County
prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know
Eric number one, thank you for being with us. But
I know what you can say is limited, having been
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a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to
thank you for being with us. The family questioned this
from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get
the case once LA law enforcement finished their investigation. But
I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims,
how agonizing this has been for the family to be
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waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This
guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us
about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've
been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong,
I'm glad we finally have bombshell arrests in the deaths
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of the three Kansas City chiefs. Fans, but what took
so long? Please explain it?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
Yeah, You're absolutely right, and Nancy, this was a long
time coming. And our hearts absolutely go out to these
family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths,
and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder
of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are
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tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these
drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you
how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police
Department and prosecutors in my office who from day one
said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted
every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible
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for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first
step in that. As you know, these men are presumed
innocent and lesson until proven guilty. But we've charged them
what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl
and causing the deaths of these three men.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County
Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini,
mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and
cocaine combined toxicity.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. So Eric assertion,
what you're going to prove, I think in trial is
that the casual use of a little cocaine, although family
says that at least one of the victims had never
used cocaine before, but the casual use of cocaine turned
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deadly because it was cut with fentanyl.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Yeah, in this case, what we alleged is that there
were two baggies found at the scene, one of those
baggies contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl.
The me found that it was a combination of those
two drugs that caused these men's deaths. And so we've
charged both of the men, one of them who we
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believe provided the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold
the fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That caused these deaths.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
And we allege, because we charged with them with manslaughter,
that they recklessly caused the deaths of these three men.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price
had to say.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
From the very beginning.
Speaker 15 (30:04):
He said that before the fifth person came out, he
said that Jordan was there sporadically throughout the day and
then whenever. And then he also did not mention in
a fifth person. But once the fifth person came out,
then he changed it to saying that there was a
fifth person and that he was asleep the entire time.
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So those were two very specific details that were specific
in the opening statement but then changed over time.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter the
best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story.
He never mentioned anybody else was there, beside him and
his three buddies all dead, frozen dead in the backyard,
and he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on
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his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person.
Alex says he changed his story why because the fifth
person was a person that provided the drugs.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
According to police, this is somebody who they have all
known for quite a while that Jordan has known, and
he was contacted and this man brought the drugs.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
This so there's cocaine.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine, Ivory Carson's DNA
is on the bag of fentanyl, and that is the
toxic combination that killed these men. So he was he
had come over and brought them the cocaine. And the
way that the police found this out wasn't through Jordan Willis.
He never mentioned any of these details. But David Harrington's
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phone is the one phone that they were able to
extract evidence from, and they saw on there there were
group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis was the one
that would always provide it for them. These other guys
didn't have enough. Cocain's expensive, it's not a cheap drug.
And then you topped that off of the Fennyl and
he was the one that did it. So there were
group chat tech messages that showed that these were having out.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
The drugs to air. Exanne joining me right now, Platts
County prosecutor, who is charged with last swing all this
evidence and presenting it to a jury, did he really
think we wouldn't find out about the fifth guy, the
mystery man, and all of his statements at the get
go that was never mentioned. Now we know why he
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was the dope.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Dealer well, and Nancy, I can't. I can't comment on
exactly what either of these defendants thought or said, but
what I can tell you is that we allege that
mister Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to
these men, and we alleged that resulted in the deaths
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of these three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers,
sons of people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And
here's what folks have to understand. If you deal drugs
and somebody dies as a result, we will do everything
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we can to make sure that you're held accountable for
the deaths of those people. That's exactly what we're trying
to do in this case.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The bodies of David Harrington,
Clayton mcgheaney, and Ricky Johnson all found in the backyard
of their friend Jordan Willis's home Kansas City last January,
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frozen dead. The temperature that night was just eighteen degrees
fear and height. One of the victims seated upright in
a patio chair, the others lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted
on their faces. Investigators now calling it quote foul play
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by stealth and to psychology reports confirm all three died
of cocaine laced with fentanel. Police even find two plastic
baggies in the home, one containing cocaine with Willis's DNA
and another with fentanyl and Carson's DNA. Video was shown
in court Willis sitting in the back of a police
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cart telling his version of the night before. He went
on to insist he had no idea his friends died
just steps away from him. What more do we know?
Speaker 15 (34:35):
You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's
posted that it's not of their family, it's of these men.
And if just one of them even two of them
passed out at the same time, which is already impossible.
You know, the other man would have absolutely brought them
inside and called for help something. So that's just insane.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
He saw a large play of cocaine allegedly supplied by
mister Willis that everyone was using.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend,
the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis H thirty nine.
The best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced
with fentanyl to his friends. You were just hearing from
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our friends at KMBC nine US to doctor Kendall Crown's
joining us, Doctor Kendll crowns, I want to understand how
the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl.
Don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl,
what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for
me to understand. Although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted,
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I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a
party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean,
I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings, right, salery, carrots,
ranch dip. There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it.
You know how many times have you heard that, mom?
Everybody's doing it? How are people supposed to know that
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cocaine can be laced with dentanyl and what fentanyl can
do with you? Even a touch a fentanyl can kill you.
So what would fentanyl look like? Can it be in
a powder form? Yes, it can.
Speaker 14 (36:30):
Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe. It can
be in a white pottery form. It can be in
the form of a fake percocet, which is a blue
pill that has an M thirty label on it. It
can be a patch. It can even be on a
Lazans type sucker is one of the ways it is distributed.
But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl, can
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be very deadly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And you don't know.
Speaker 14 (36:54):
How much fentanyl has been put in there, how much
fentanyl you're actually getting with the amount of cocaine that's
been cut with it. So that's why you could have
a group of people sitting together and three of them
die and two of them live because one got more
fentanyl than the other. Because it's really not regulated like
a drug through the FDA. It's just widely all over
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the place. So that's why the street drugs are very
dangerous as you never know what you're getting. And one thing,
we've had cocaine cut with a dog dee wormer as well,
so it's incredibly dangerous.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Under Kendel crowns. I have investigated cases, for instance, an
infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the
daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I
think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they
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moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside
the daycare, and that movement released particles of fentanyl and
the infant in hailed it or touched it. It killed
the baby. So if you've got a plate of cocaine
lace with any finnel at all, there's your OD right there.
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What started off, as I guess in good time is
in death. I mean you can die from even inhaling
particles or touching particles of finfandol.
Speaker 14 (38:20):
Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and even its friend or
another derivative of it, car fentanyl, is even more dangerous.
It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and
paramedics will now carry in a lock zone, which is
a way to counteract the effects of the opioid in
their rigs or in their cars, to if they get
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exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take
it and try and save themselves. So fentanyl is incredibly dangerous.
It's not a drug you really should mess with, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I'm just thinking about these victims and how they ended
up frozen in plain view of their so called Jordan Willis.
You know, I'm trying to think about their families. Dave
mac tell me about the victims' families. I know Jonathan
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is here speaking on behalf of his brother Ricky, who
died that day, whose body sat out there freezing for
so long. What about the other victims? You know?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Nancy?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been kept out of
the loop since the bodies were found. She said that
they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she is saying that
the statements made it easy to think that they had
already made up their minds and there wouldn't be any
further investigation. And she's really pushing back on this. She
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said the arrest didn't really clear up any speculation about
the dead, saying quote, I still don't know anything about
how my son died or his last moments. That's pretty
upsetting when you look at this over a year down
the road, that she doesn't know any more than you
and I might know.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, Kendall Crown's what was some one go through? If
they literally sat outside and an accidental fentyl stupor and
froze dead, that would be horrible, but they couldn't get
up and move.
Speaker 14 (40:15):
So basically, fentyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes
your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so
you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that
eventually your brain, not getting enough oxygen, begins to die,
which causes your lungs to fill with fluid, and then
you pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the
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point that you couldn't get up and get yourself out
of an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So those individuals, how would they sit there and on
the porch and a lounge here and lay in the
backyard if they could move? I mean, I'm certainly not
a medical doctor, but certainly they would get up off
the porch or get off the ground and come inside.
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According to the defendant, the door was unlocked. I submit
they couldn't.
Speaker 14 (41:11):
Well, that's if they're so conscious, if they've gotten enough
fentyl in and it's caused them to go into basically
a coma, they can't move at that point, and then
they will either more likely than not die from the
fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death, because there
are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died
from hypoth thermia or freezing to death, which I haven't
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seen any reports of that being found.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Alexis Terroschut. We keep referring to them as the Kansas
City Chiefs fans, and they were so much more than that.
Tell me about their families.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged. He was engaged to a
woman in April, Mahoney, and they were very happy together.
They were very you know, he worked in construction, small
business construction, and he was.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Going through a really rough time.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
There weren't a lot of jobs, but they were still
together at the time, and she in fact started a
GoFundMe to sell everybody like he was so wonderful, and
he was somebody that was her whole life, and the
two of them had all these future plans together and
then it was abruptly cut short. And in fact, she
was the one that found that April was trying, trying
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trying to reach him, Clayton, calling him over and over again.
She is one that showed up at Jordan Willis's house.
She broke through the basement window, she got out, she
found Clayton, and then the other two guys.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Did Overnight we learned two arrested in the horrific deaths
of three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football game
with their so called best friend now behind bars. Arrested
the so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a guy
named Ivory J. Carson aka Blade. Okay, straight back out
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to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother. Tell me your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well, I mean, summing everything up, you know, I just
you know, he was my brother. I cherished him a lot,
and his his three daughters, you know, and you know,
so a couple of them are a little bit young
to fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think
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about what they are going through and the answers that
they've been neglected for all this time, and uh, it's
it's just, you know, very makes us very distraught.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on
some certain issues.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
What well, one of the things that we've been told
since the beginning which did not make sense is the
ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the
amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know,
since January now, and it's it's been very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I understand that it takes time, and you know, I'm
glad that we are finally getting some answers, but there's
there's still a lot out there that we don't fully understand.
And just three or four months ago, Jordan's lawyer was
saying that he thinks that charges will come, but not
to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor. So
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that part doesn't make sense to me either. And you know,
I'm just the more I get back into this, you know,
the more pain that's coming back, just like there was
back then, and the more questions that are arising from
all of this.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas
City chiefs dead in the backyard. The two were just
feet apart in court, but never even looked at each other,
much less uttered a word to each other. And that
hearing went for over three hours. That's a long long
time to avoid each other's gaze. What does that tell me?
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They're gonna blame each other. A lot of finger pointing
is gonna go down in this courtroom when trial occurs.
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three friends, three Kansas City
Chiefs fans, dead in the backyard and on the porch
of another friend. To other Chiefs fans have a cold
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blooded reaction when they meet face to face in court
over the murder of their friends. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us. Two former friends are accused of killing three
Kansas City Chiefs fans, and they just sat in the
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last days, shoulder to shoulder in a Missouri courtroom, staring coldly,
straight ahead, stone face and never stating a single word
to each other. It was Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson,
less than five feet apart in the Platte County courtroom
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before Judge Abe Quint Schaeffer. Willis was wearing a blue
buttoned down and slacks. He's free on one hundred thousand
dollars bond. Carson steel jailed hobbled in wearing an orange
jumpsuit and ankle shackles. Each one faces three counts of
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second degree felony murder and distribution of drugs and the
deaths of their friends, Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton mcgeiney.
Their frozen bodies were found outside Jordan Willis's home on
a cold January ninth. All of them had gathered for
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what was supposed to be a fun Sunday watch party
watching the Chiefs, and despite a friendship amongst all of
them group text being fans of the Chiefs regular get togethers,
these do didn't even look at each other in court.
And I think I know why. Two arrested over the
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deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans who apparently froze
to death and their scientist's friend backyard and on his porch,
and he didn't notice a thing for two days. A
guy is dead, your friend is dead in a lounge
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chair on your porch, and you go two days ignoring
repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family and friends.
You don't see any of that. You show up at
the front door and you're underwear with a glass of
wine and go, hahua, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution
of a controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining
me in All Star Panel but first I want to
go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price,
the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson. Jonathan,
thank you for being.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
With us, Thank you for having me Nancy.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Jonathan, I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come.
You said from the get go, something is wrong, something
is horribly wrong. It didn't happen this way, and you
were right, yeah, it just from.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still
doesn't make sense that they were able to rule out
foul play from day one, and then you know, with
these charges. I mean, I don't know the legal definition
of foul play, but it definitely seems like they now
believe that there was foul play. So just keeping us
in the dark for this long, it's very troubling, but
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there is still a sense of relief among all of
us that this is hopefully coming to a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You guys have been dragged through hell and back. And
during the Super Bowl when of the Chiefs were playing,
I thought about you and your family, and I wondered
what's going through their minds tonight as everybody's celebrating and partying,
and you still did not have answers in your brother's death.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily,
and you know, even more so when the Chiefs are
playing or KU's playing. You know, there's you know, he
cared much about his family and his sports, and we
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shared that our entire lives and uh, you know those
those memories will always live on and uh, you know,
like I said before, it's there. There is a sense
of relief that, you know, something that's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
From all of this. Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when
everybody was celebrating and there was the big lead up
to the Chiefs playing in the Super Bowl and everybody's
what's Taylor Swift gonna wear? And are they going to
get engaged? Is she pregnant? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Were you thinking what about my brother? What about my brother?
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Because I was thinking that the whole way through the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and
you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for
a very long time. And then you know, we were
still hearing that there was no foul play. You know,
there's there's just too much still out there, and it's
it's all about what's going to come out of trial.
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But you know there's still lots of questions.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, you're right, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna to be
a trial. You guys kept in the dark for so long,
which must have been agonizing, agonizing as you wanted so
badly for your brother to get justice, and to think
that for all that time, he sat in his house,
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throwing back the booze, hanging around in his underwear. And
this guy is no idiot. He's a scientist, for Pete's sake.
Ignoring the dead body in allounced chair on the porch,
ignoring his friend's cars parked directly in front of his house.
How can you ignore that? How can you not hear
the phone for two days, not notice that you are
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being barraged in social media and texts and emails, acting
like nothing happened, and then to pack up and leave town. Well,
this is how the whole thing started.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
January seventh, there is a football day for the Kansas
City Chiefs as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers.
So thirty eight year old Jordan Willis it's a couple
of buddies to come to his house and watch the game.
David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's
house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff.
They enjoy the games. The Chiefs beat the Chargers thirteen
to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to get
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tickets to the next home game.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together.
Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the
guys off and crashes on the couch.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not
leave his home at all. He would normally have to
take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,
but they're all staying at his dad's place.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Okay, wait a minute. He had described his dogs as
the quote loves of his life. How did they end
up somewhere else? Okay, that's just a tangential question. But
right there, something is way wrong. Joining me. Crime Stories
investigative reporter Dave Matt Right there, Dave, Jordan Willison, this
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is on a sun the scientist. He waves away the
friends and claims he crashes on the sofa for what
the next two or three days? I mean, if you
take it from Sunday until finally the police were at
the front door after the girlfriend breaks in the window
to find the dead body and starts screaming. I mean,
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that's his story day, seriously.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
And he's sticking to it, Nancy. He has always claimed
that he crashed out, doesn't know what the guys did.
He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours,
and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any
pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because
that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys,
family and friends were reaching out to him because they
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were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept
through the entire thing for three days and he only
got up when they basically broke into his house and
tell him there were dead guys on the backyard.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother
who passed away. You know, when I think about what
he went through, it was so cold out there, do
you let yourself. I mean, I try not to think
about what my fiance went through when he was murdered.
He was shot five times in the face, the neck,
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the head, and I try not to think about it,
because it will mess me up so badly, and I
have children to raise. Do you ever let yourself think
about what Ricky went through while their friend was inside
in his underwear passed out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, I think about that all the time, you know,
especially with you know, these these three gentlemen, you know,
being inseparable for a very very long time, and for
all three of them to happen at the exact same time,
and what some of them were going through in the
final moments of seeing maybe one of their friends go
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down first. So many questions still on how that would
have happened.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And I pray that all the facts, not just some
of the facts, but that all the facts will come
out and we will know. Is no idiot? Three days
Sunday Monday Tuesy, and I never knew my friend. My
friend was dead on the front on the back porch,
and my other friends were dead lying in my yard.
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How can he? How can he say that? Oh? Yeah,
and all the phone calls and all the texts and
all the emails and all the social media. He said
he was wearing noise canceling headphones for three days.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones, and
he was in his house. He didn't notice the car
in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends.
He wasn't texting them the day after. Hey, guys, let's
go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs
had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off
from the whole world and noise canceling headphones. Sure, maybe right,
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You maybe can't hear a little in the next room,
but you're going to hear people beating on your door
and you're going to see your phone flowing up for
two days.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So let me understand something, Dave Mac. How many days
passed before the girlfriend the fiance has to come and
literally break in? When did that happen? Just give me
a number.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Two days?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Two days?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
What day was on the game was Tuesday?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the
ninth is the day police are at the door.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, you know what. They didn't teach me math in
law school. But seven eight nine, that's three days. Seven
is Sunday, the day of the game, which is in
the early afternoon, all night, all day Monday until finally Tuesday,
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when the fiance is beside herself. She can't find her
fiance and goes looking for him. Listen.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were
headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but
now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying
to messages on social media or by phone.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton
McKinney's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the
cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the
phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home
and screams Willis's name. She walks through the house. Then
she looks on the back porch and sees a body.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me. This
is Ricky's brother, beloved brother. I might ad they grew
up together, and they would argue about who's going to
watch Power Rangers and who's gonna watch ESPN. Very very
loving relationship, their whole lives. In my mind, that's three days.
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You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together
in Sunday night all day Monday, Monday night, and then
Tuesday nine fifty one that's nearly ten o'clock at night.
Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to
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break in and seize a dead body. Is my timing correct, Jonathan?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm
not very good at math either, but you know, there's
there's a question in my mind that there's no possible
way you can sleep that long and just not know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I agree, Jonathan, no way. What was he doing in
the joining me is a veteran defense attorney who has
handled a number of high profile cases. Derek Smith is
joining me out of Ohio. He's at d W Smithlegal
dot com. Derek, really the defense I slept through the
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whole thing. I mean, for those of you who just
joining us, finally movement a bombshell arrest of two people
in connection with the deaths of three Kansas City chiefs
fans who were frozen to death and their buddy, the
scientist backyard Derek Smith. Can he really look at a
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jury and say, I slept for three days with noise
canceling headsets on, I knew nothing.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Yes and no, and this is a terrible situation. Is
best friends some of his frenzies with this whole entire life.
Like they said, they were very close, utter uttershock and
disbelief and just manic depression will put somebody down. Looking
out your window and seeing your friends in the condition
they were in. That's enough right there to send a
person into deep shock, disbelief and just pass right back out.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Does not want to be that's a good one. So
he saw the bodies and then passed back out, you
know to doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist,
author of The Path to Self Love and World Domination,
Doctor Heidie Green dot com. Doctor Heidie. So now we're
getting a spin on that and no telling what it's
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going to morph into by the time this goes to trial.
So Jonathan Price braced yourself. So Derek Smith is spinning
it out, you know, like Rumpel Stileskin would take that
nasty hay out of the barn and spin it into gold.
He is now hypothesizing that the defendant, one of the
two arrested in the desks of three people that were
(15:36):
left to freeze out in the yard one on his porch,
is that he came to from his deep sleep, you know,
I'll throw in sleeping Beauty there he came to, saw
the dead body of his friend and then passed out.
Doctor Heidi Green, psychologically speaking, that seems very unlikely to me.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for
seventy two hours as a result of a significant trauma.
And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if
that's what we're going with, and you saw them in
your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a
(16:17):
significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a
freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their
house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and
look at the bodies, wanting to essentially just pretend like
nothing's going on. But to actually be unconscious for seventy
two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma report.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, it was a bone chilling
January nine, mcgheiney's fiance, April Mahoney, actually broke into Willis's
home after she had called over and over and over
frantically trying to find her love, who she had not
(17:10):
heard from for two days, and it was there she
found the bodies of three men in all frozen solid,
all still dressed in their Kansas City Chiefs gear, slumped
in the backyard, and now there remained two, Jordan Willis
(17:30):
and Ivory Carson. The two sat lesson five feet apart
in court as a judge ruled their case. We'll go
to trial. What happened that Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Clayton mcguinea's fiance Colls Police officers arrived to find Willis
in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand.
According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were
then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he
has no idea what happened. John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis,
(18:03):
said his client had no idea his friends were dead
until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote, my
husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My friend
banged on his door and then busted a window and
yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and steal
nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes later,
(18:25):
and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an
empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave
Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes they do. And Jonathan Price is with me. This
is Ricky's brother, Jonathan. Your brother is always described as
a Kansas City Chief fan. That's really not doing him justice.
He was so much more. Tell me, well, Ricky was
very humble.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw
the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime,
no matter if at one time they were seen as
you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends
in general. But he was just such a kind person,
loving father, brother, son, cousin. You know, he he was
(19:19):
truly cherished by our entire family.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Tell me about your family, Well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
We kind of we grew up, you know, separated at
some points, but we always came together for family events.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own
different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules
matched up to where we can all see each other.
And when I was in the military, anytime I came home,
they were Ricky and my other brother Rusties, they always
made it a point, and my sister Lisa, they always
all made it a point to come home all to
(19:56):
be together every time. So we you know, we chaished
each other. And there's very fond memories of uh of
Ricky growing up and everything he was to all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
When you say the memories you had growing up memories, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
My love for football, I love for all sports came
from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers,
you know, throwing the football farther that I could imagine
when I was a you know, small child, I just
I looked up to them. You know. We we went
to the very first game that Patrion Mahomes was playing
in the preseason, and uh we you know, he met
(20:37):
my entire family. And you know, even though we were
states away, you know, we always we always talked about
the sports of Kansas City and you know, everything that
we were accomplishing. Finally, after so many years of being
you know, an up and down team. You know, we
we shared a lot of memories together, and uh, I
(21:02):
just I love them.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
We are learning more about the deaths of the so
called Three Chiefs.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Fans as news starts to spread of the three friends
freezing to death in the backyard while their friend is
asleep inside. The families of the victims begin to speak
out and ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis
is what happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls,
text messages and social media messages from family and friends
of the three men.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next
two days in his home not thinking anything of the
fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only
learned they died when the fiance of one of the
men broke into the house on January ninth in the
hopes of finding him.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Jonathan Price, Where were the victims cars part in relation
to the friends home?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I guess if you're based on what I've heard, if
you look out the front door, they were just off
to the right, And I guess there was potentially out
of the three cars, because I think someone might have carpooled.
But either way, my brother drove in that F one fifty,
so it was, you know, se my large truck right
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there in the front. There's no way to miss it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So Barry Hudgeson joining me, former l e now chief
investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri.
Barry let me understand, so this guy the so called
friend could find a wine glass and fill it up
with wine, and find his noise canceling headphones. He could
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find those, he could see those, but he couldn't see
his dead friend on the porch and in the yard,
or their vehicles part in front of his house.
Speaker 13 (22:43):
Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for
how everything happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It just makes no sense at all.
Speaker 13 (22:50):
You know, I've been thinking about this and one of
the things that I thought about. You know, the guy
came to the door in his underwear, and he said
that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We
knew that he'd been drinking a lot, apparently, so if
he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his
body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three
solid days. If he never got up, he would have
(23:11):
wet hisself. Did he come to the door with soiled
underwear or did he look like he urinated on his sef?
You know, when you arrest a drunk on the street
most of the time and they're awake, theype all over
their self. This guy didn't look like he urinated on
his stef because if he didn't, that kind of shoots
that story right in behind the end.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He asked me, Yeah, I mean he had to get
up and go to the bathroom. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me,
and he's here for other reasons, but since we're on
this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me. Chief Medical Examiner
Terrant County. That's fort Worth never Alike, a business esteemed
lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine TCU and launching a
(23:49):
new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven. Doctor Crown's is
that true what Barry just told us? I mean, how
could he go seventy two hours drinking let me add
that in and not getting up and finding his way
to the bathroom. Oh?
Speaker 14 (24:06):
I agree with that. There's no way you could sleep
for three days after consuming them with chilcohol and also
eating that. Your body wouldn't urinate on itself for defecates.
So it's impossible to believe that he spent that entire
time asleep and not getting up and go at least
going to the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about
whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was
a fifth man in the home on the night of
January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who
left earlier than the other three men.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of
the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction
found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis, mcgheini, Johnson,
and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied
the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him
as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second bag.
(25:00):
Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Packs up and goes to rehab. So to Jonathan Price,
when did you learn that the so called best friend
of your brother packs up, clears out the house, takes
his dog, and goes to rehab.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I mean, the only time that we found out was
whenever he was reported in the news, which is kind
of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you
have the mental capacity to know you have a problem
after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you
know you know more about what happened that night. And
I don't know if you shared that or not with
the authorities. But the fact that he was not detained,
(25:43):
you know, after that night or the past fourteen months,
doesn't really make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the
go to with your clients and all the stars. It's
only after they're busted for something that they suddenly realize
they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really
change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these
cases a serious edition.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, it's akin to.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Being in a certain way of life, certain way of
doing things. Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and
then something tragic or something terrible, or the law gets
involved and you have to make a drastic change. And
that's unfortunately just how it is.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us,
Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County
prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know
Eric number one, thank you for being with us. But
I know what you can say is limited, having been
(26:46):
a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to
thank you for being with us. The family questioned this
from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get
the case once LA law enforcement finished their investigation. But
I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims,
how agonizing this has been for the family to be
(27:09):
waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This
guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us
about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've
been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong,
I'm glad we finally have bombshell arrests in the deaths
(27:30):
of the three Kansas City chiefs. Fans, but what took
so long? Please explain it?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
Yeah, You're absolutely right, and Nancy, this was a long
time coming. And our hearts absolutely go out to these
family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths,
and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder
of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are
(27:55):
tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these
drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you
how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police
Department and prosecutors in my office who from day one
said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted
every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible
(28:20):
for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first
step in that. As you know, these men are presumed
innocent and lesson until proven guilty. But we've charged them
what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl
and causing the deaths of these three men.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County
Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini,
mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and
cocaine combined toxicity.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. So Eric assertion,
what you're going to prove, I think in trial is
that the casual use of a little cocaine, although family
says that at least one of the victims had never
used cocaine before, but the casual use of cocaine turned
(29:17):
deadly because it was cut with fentanyl.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Yeah, in this case, what we alleged is that there
were two baggies found at the scene, one of those
baggies contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl.
The me found that it was a combination of those
two drugs that caused these men's deaths. And so we've
charged both of the men, one of them who we
(29:42):
believe provided the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold
the fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That caused these deaths.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
And we allege, because we charged with them with manslaughter,
that they recklessly caused the deaths of these three men.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price
had to say.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
From the very beginning.
Speaker 15 (30:04):
He said that before the fifth person came out, he
said that Jordan was there sporadically throughout the day and
then whenever. And then he also did not mention in
a fifth person. But once the fifth person came out,
then he changed it to saying that there was a
fifth person and that he was asleep the entire time.
(30:24):
So those were two very specific details that were specific
in the opening statement but then changed over time.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter the
best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story.
He never mentioned anybody else was there, beside him and
his three buddies all dead, frozen dead in the backyard,
and he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on
(30:53):
his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person.
Alex says he changed his story why because the fifth
person was a person that provided the drugs.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
According to police, this is somebody who they have all
known for quite a while that Jordan has known, and
he was contacted and this man brought the drugs.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
This so there's cocaine.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine, Ivory Carson's DNA
is on the bag of fentanyl, and that is the
toxic combination that killed these men. So he was he
had come over and brought them the cocaine. And the
way that the police found this out wasn't through Jordan Willis.
He never mentioned any of these details. But David Harrington's
(31:35):
phone is the one phone that they were able to
extract evidence from, and they saw on there there were
group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis was the one
that would always provide it for them. These other guys
didn't have enough. Cocain's expensive, it's not a cheap drug.
And then you topped that off of the Fennyl and
he was the one that did it. So there were
group chat tech messages that showed that these were having out.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
The drugs to air. Exanne joining me right now, Platts
County prosecutor, who is charged with last swing all this
evidence and presenting it to a jury, did he really
think we wouldn't find out about the fifth guy, the
mystery man, and all of his statements at the get
go that was never mentioned. Now we know why he
(32:19):
was the dope.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
Dealer well, and Nancy, I can't. I can't comment on
exactly what either of these defendants thought or said, but
what I can tell you is that we allege that
mister Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to
these men, and we alleged that resulted in the deaths
(32:40):
of these three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers,
sons of people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And
here's what folks have to understand. If you deal drugs
and somebody dies as a result, we will do everything
(33:04):
we can to make sure that you're held accountable for
the deaths of those people. That's exactly what we're trying
to do in this case.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The bodies of David Harrington,
Clayton mcgheaney, and Ricky Johnson all found in the backyard
of their friend Jordan Willis's home Kansas City last January,
(33:38):
frozen dead. The temperature that night was just eighteen degrees
fear and height. One of the victims seated upright in
a patio chair, the others lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted
on their faces. Investigators now calling it quote foul play
(33:59):
by stealth and to psychology reports confirm all three died
of cocaine laced with fentanel. Police even find two plastic
baggies in the home, one containing cocaine with Willis's DNA
and another with fentanyl and Carson's DNA. Video was shown
in court Willis sitting in the back of a police
(34:22):
cart telling his version of the night before. He went
on to insist he had no idea his friends died
just steps away from him. What more do we know?
Speaker 15 (34:35):
You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's
posted that it's not of their family, it's of these men.
And if just one of them even two of them
passed out at the same time, which is already impossible.
You know, the other man would have absolutely brought them
inside and called for help something. So that's just insane.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
He saw a large play of cocaine allegedly supplied by
mister Willis that everyone was using.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend,
the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis H thirty nine.
The best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced
with fentanyl to his friends. You were just hearing from
(35:28):
our friends at KMBC nine US to doctor Kendall Crown's
joining us, Doctor Kendll crowns, I want to understand how
the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl.
Don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl,
what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for
me to understand. Although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted,
(35:51):
I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a
party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean,
I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings, right, salery, carrots,
ranch dip. There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it.
You know how many times have you heard that, mom?
Everybody's doing it? How are people supposed to know that
(36:14):
cocaine can be laced with dentanyl and what fentanyl can
do with you? Even a touch a fentanyl can kill you.
So what would fentanyl look like? Can it be in
a powder form? Yes, it can.
Speaker 14 (36:30):
Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe. It can
be in a white pottery form. It can be in
the form of a fake percocet, which is a blue
pill that has an M thirty label on it. It
can be a patch. It can even be on a
Lazans type sucker is one of the ways it is distributed.
But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl, can
(36:52):
be very deadly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And you don't know.
Speaker 14 (36:54):
How much fentanyl has been put in there, how much
fentanyl you're actually getting with the amount of cocaine that's
been cut with it. So that's why you could have
a group of people sitting together and three of them
die and two of them live because one got more
fentanyl than the other. Because it's really not regulated like
a drug through the FDA. It's just widely all over
(37:16):
the place. So that's why the street drugs are very
dangerous as you never know what you're getting. And one thing,
we've had cocaine cut with a dog dee wormer as well,
so it's incredibly dangerous.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Under Kendel crowns. I have investigated cases, for instance, an
infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the
daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I
think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they
(37:48):
moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside
the daycare, and that movement released particles of fentanyl and
the infant in hailed it or touched it. It killed
the baby. So if you've got a plate of cocaine
lace with any finnel at all, there's your OD right there.
(38:11):
What started off, as I guess in good time is
in death. I mean you can die from even inhaling
particles or touching particles of finfandol.
Speaker 14 (38:20):
Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and even its friend or
another derivative of it, car fentanyl, is even more dangerous.
It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and
paramedics will now carry in a lock zone, which is
a way to counteract the effects of the opioid in
their rigs or in their cars, to if they get
(38:41):
exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take
it and try and save themselves. So fentanyl is incredibly dangerous.
It's not a drug you really should mess with, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I'm just thinking about these victims and how they ended
up frozen in plain view of their so called Jordan Willis.
You know, I'm trying to think about their families. Dave
mac tell me about the victims' families. I know Jonathan
(39:11):
is here speaking on behalf of his brother Ricky, who
died that day, whose body sat out there freezing for
so long. What about the other victims? You know?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Nancy?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been kept out of
the loop since the bodies were found. She said that
they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she is saying that
the statements made it easy to think that they had
already made up their minds and there wouldn't be any
further investigation. And she's really pushing back on this. She
(39:42):
said the arrest didn't really clear up any speculation about
the dead, saying quote, I still don't know anything about
how my son died or his last moments. That's pretty
upsetting when you look at this over a year down
the road, that she doesn't know any more than you
and I might know.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, Kendall Crown's what was some one go through? If
they literally sat outside and an accidental fentyl stupor and
froze dead, that would be horrible, but they couldn't get
up and move.
Speaker 14 (40:15):
So basically, fentyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes
your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so
you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that
eventually your brain, not getting enough oxygen, begins to die,
which causes your lungs to fill with fluid, and then
you pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the
(40:39):
point that you couldn't get up and get yourself out
of an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So those individuals, how would they sit there and on
the porch and a lounge here and lay in the
backyard if they could move? I mean, I'm certainly not
a medical doctor, but certainly they would get up off
the porch or get off the ground and come inside.
(41:06):
According to the defendant, the door was unlocked. I submit
they couldn't.
Speaker 14 (41:11):
Well, that's if they're so conscious, if they've gotten enough
fentyl in and it's caused them to go into basically
a coma, they can't move at that point, and then
they will either more likely than not die from the
fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death, because there
are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died
from hypoth thermia or freezing to death, which I haven't
(41:34):
seen any reports of that being found.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Alexis Terroschut. We keep referring to them as the Kansas
City Chiefs fans, and they were so much more than that.
Tell me about their families.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged. He was engaged to a
woman in April, Mahoney, and they were very happy together.
They were very you know, he worked in construction, small
business construction, and he was.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Going through a really rough time.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
There weren't a lot of jobs, but they were still
together at the time, and she in fact started a
GoFundMe to sell everybody like he was so wonderful, and
he was somebody that was her whole life, and the
two of them had all these future plans together and
then it was abruptly cut short. And in fact, she
was the one that found that April was trying, trying
(42:19):
trying to reach him, Clayton, calling him over and over again.
She is one that showed up at Jordan Willis's house.
She broke through the basement window, she got out, she
found Clayton, and then the other two guys.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Did Overnight we learned two arrested in the horrific deaths
of three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football game
with their so called best friend now behind bars. Arrested
the so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a guy
named Ivory J. Carson aka Blade. Okay, straight back out
(42:57):
to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother. Tell me your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well, I mean, summing everything up, you know, I just
you know, he was my brother. I cherished him a lot,
and his his three daughters, you know, and you know,
so a couple of them are a little bit young
to fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think
(43:25):
about what they are going through and the answers that
they've been neglected for all this time, and uh, it's
it's just, you know, very makes us very distraught.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on
some certain issues.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
What well, one of the things that we've been told
since the beginning which did not make sense is the
ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the
amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know,
since January now, and it's it's been very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I understand that it takes time, and you know, I'm
glad that we are finally getting some answers, but there's
there's still a lot out there that we don't fully understand.
And just three or four months ago, Jordan's lawyer was
saying that he thinks that charges will come, but not
to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor. So
(44:29):
that part doesn't make sense to me either. And you know,
I'm just the more I get back into this, you know,
the more pain that's coming back, just like there was
back then, and the more questions that are arising from
all of this.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas
City chiefs dead in the backyard. The two were just
feet apart in court, but never even looked at each other,
much less uttered a word to each other. And that
hearing went for over three hours. That's a long long
time to avoid each other's gaze. What does that tell me?
(45:03):
They're gonna blame each other. A lot of finger pointing
is gonna go down in this courtroom when trial occurs.
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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