January 20, 2026 • 45 mins
Michael McKee's charges are upgraded to four counts of aggravated murder in the deaths of his ex-wife, Monique Tepe, and her husband, Spencer.
The indictment specifies that the firearm used by McKee was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly referred to as a "silencer." McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for allegedly breaking into the Tepe home to commit the murders.
Police say McKee is the person captured on video walking in the alley behind the Tepe home between 2 a.m. and 5 a.m. the morning of the murders.
Using license plate reader data and surveillance technology, detectives track McKee's vehicle traveling approximately 325 miles from Illinois to Columbus, Ohio, arriving shortly before the murders and leaving soon after.
Investigators have yet to mention a motive for the murders, labeling the killings as "domestic violence-related."
McKee and Monique were married for a short period of time and have been divorced since 2017, but a clerical error caused the divorce case to receive a new hearing date, appearing on the docket for this past June and showing a trial date for September, just three months before the murders.
When court officials determine it is a clerical error, the court date for September is cancelled.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney (Fulton County, Georgia) Former Assistant State Attorney (Florida), Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen; Facebook: "Darryl B Cohen"/X: @DarrylBCohen
- Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Dan Murphy - Former NYPD Detective-Sergeant (conducted hundreds of interrogations), Co-Host of "Gold Shields" Podcast, and Author: “Workplace Safety: Establishing an Effective Violence Prevention Program”
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Instagram @JoScottForensic
- Susan Hendricks - Journalist, Author of “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi;" IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a killer smile. Truer words
were never spoken. A surgeon dazzled. He beams this megawot
smile on the dating apps just before he travels nearly
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four hundred miles to gun down his ex wife and
her new husband. According to police, I mean's he Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Michael McKee, the vascular sergeant, multiple malepractice
and claims against him. Something pushed him over the edge.
Both of the tepees or Dead Spencer and Manique.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Spencer had been shopped twice money once.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The children are orphans who probably will remember the murders
of their parents. I watched their wedding video over and
over and over preparing for tonight, and as I was
watching it looking for anything probative in the video, which
I found by the way, I wondered how many times
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vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee went over and over and
over that wedding video. They were married and murdered in
the same home. Married and murdered in the same home.
This as the defendant, the vascular surgeon, awaiting an extradition
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on multiple accounts that have just been handed down.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We uncover his dating apps.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I mean, I can't wait to get a hold of
his digital footprint.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now think about it. This is, according to police.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He's on these dating apps, pouring out his soul about
how he wants to have children, how he loves hot yoga,
and then he's watching her. There he is with a
slew of lawsuits he's facing, including one guy with an
amputid a testicle, another of the catheter.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Shards stuck at his leg.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He's talking about on the dating apps, how he wants children,
how he wants to settle down. Yet he's all alone.
I wonder why, looking at her wedding video, how many
nights did he hunch over his computer screen watching Monique
Joyful in that wedding video, posting photos of her pregnant
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in front of the Christmas tree, as he drones on
dating websites about how he wants children.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
One day that.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Said, now we learn about a silence, sir, Come on,
I can't wait for the defense attorney bring it on
to tell me this was not premeditated. Do you know
how difficult it is to get your mitts on a silencer,
or as it is called in the business.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
A suppressor listen.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Michael McKee indicted on four counts of aggravated murder in
the deaths of his ex wife, Monique Teppi and her
husband's The Indeamond spectifies that the firearm used by McKee
was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly called a silencer.
McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for
allegedly breaking into the Teppie home to commit the murders.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight That should run a chill
down your spine. Common knowledge, common belief is that suppressors
silencers are illegal. You can't get one maybe a mobster
or a dope lord.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
That is not true. You can get them legally.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
As a matter of fact, just recently, a bill was passed.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
In the middle of the night. In the middle of
the night.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Now nothing good happens after midnight. Why is a House
of Congress passing a bill in the middle of the night.
Does that sound sneaky? It does to me because what
they did was take away a two hundred dollars surcharge
on buying silencers, so now anybody can have them. Including
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according to police, this brilliant vascular surgeon Michael McKee. Oh
excuse me, on the dating websites. He says, call me, Mike.
You know what, I'll just call you defendant. Straight out
to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of Hitting You,
(04:31):
podcast series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But for
my purposes death investigator, what can you tell me about
silencers as the vernacular for suppressors.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
You know, Nancy, one of the fascinating things about suppressors
because contrary to what people think, they are not silencers.
You cannot knock down in totality a supersonic round that
means around that actually travels at the speed of sound
or higher. It does knock it down a few decipels.
Now here's the interesting thing. When you purchase a suppressor
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and it's suppressing a sound, right, you have to be
registered with the ATF. So the ATF absolutely has record
this unless this is something that was either purchased on
the black market or something that he built, which people
can do these. But here's one of the big keys
with this, Nancy it's not only that he's on the
radar relative to the suppressor. You have to have a
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specific weapon platform. That means the handgun. This thing was
attached to, Nancy. It's got an external threaded barrel. So
if you see someone that takes a suppressor, they have
to literally screw it or attach it on. And those
weapons are very specific. So from an investigative standpoint, we're
talking about connecting the dots here relative to not just
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the suppressor, but also the pistol itself.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We are talking about the fact that suppressor silencer was
used in the murders of Monique and Spencer Teppe and
to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter, journalist and author
of a bestseller Down the Hill, My Descent into the
Double Murder and Delphi, Susan, many people didn't know about
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the allegation a suppressor was used, which requires a lot
of forethought. Right, you've got to match it to your gun,
you got to set it up, you've got to get it.
Who needs a suppressor? Who needs a silencer? We learned
about it in this indictment. Tell me about the indictment.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, Nancy, And that's an excellent point. He did plan
it out. According to this indictment, charged with four counts
of aggravated murder, and three counts of the aggravated murder
include exactly that having a silencer, and the fourth one
includes just Brandis shan or showing the firearm.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It appears he.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Planned more of what to do rather than the aftermath
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We have gotten our mits on the indictment and that
is where many people learn that a muffler suppressor silencer
was used.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, I want to go back to Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How does a silencer work for a lay person? If
you could break that down, and would a silencer be
registered on nibben, the nib N, which is the National
Integrated Ballistics Information What could you explain how in lay
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terms does a silencer work? Don't get technical? And would
there be a trace of it? Could it be listed
on nibbon?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Okay, let's take how this thing works in the first place.
It's if you if you think about a silencer as
like a can shaped like a can, cylindrical, and you
split it down the middle. It's got a series of
and there's different forms, but this is the basics. It's
got a series of little baffles or fins that are
in it. And so just imagine, if you will, that
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as that round is traveling down that barrel, okay, the
sound of it cracking the sound barrier is actually being
caught in these little fins, and so when the thing
exits the end of the muzzle, you only have almost
it is audible, but it is not like if anyone
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has ever been near a weapon, when it fires, it's
not going to sound like a car backfiring. You might
hear something that sounds just under the sound of a
slamming door. Perhaps of course that's depending upon the way
of the door. But as the thing travels down down range,
these little baffles inside the cylinder are catching that report,
if you will. Now back to nibbing. Nibbing is fascinating
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because most of the time with nibb and what they're
doing is they're looking for questioned ballistic information. So if
someone shot at a scene, they're collecting the casings. Remember
back in Delphi where we had the casing that had
the striations on it, and also they're collecting the actual
projectile as well for the scratches on that surface. Now,
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as far as nibbing, holding suppressor information, I'd probably say not. However,
that thing is managed by the ATF and all of
these suppressors have to go through our approval has to
go through the f APF.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Nancy, you know to Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD
detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of interrogations and investigations.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Co host of a hit podcast, gold.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Shields, and author of workplace Safety, Dan, thank you for
being with us. What goes through your mind, just off
the top of your head, when you go to a
crime scene or you arrest someone and you find on
their person a silencer.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
That person is using it or intending to use it
for criminal activity. He wants to mask the sound of
the weapon being fired. Now, in this case, we know
from the history of the case that there was not
much in terms of weaponry heard by people outside. Weapons
are very very loud. Handguns are very loud, especially inside
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and closed spaces. You're talking about one hundred and forty
decibels as possible, which is louder than the loudest rock
concert you've ever been to, so that sound would alert
people on the outside. The presence of a silencer indicates
somebody typically wants to use it. In a way that
no one would know he had used it. It would
not be alerting people outside or in the vicinity.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Joining us now veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor, now
civil and criminal defense.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Attorney, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, thank you for being with us. Darrel.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
When you were a prosecutor, we would practically dance up
and down the halls with glee if we found a
silencer on a crime scene. There's nothing good about a silencer,
much less if it was in somebody's car and their backpack,
hidden in their trunk, or still attached to the weapon
at the crime scene. A silencer, there's nothing good about
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a silencer. I mean, you see people driving around a
pickup trucks. They've got their gun proudly displayed on the
right behind them, right, But a silencer. Oh no, no, no,
you don't advertise that you're using a silence, or there's
nothing good about a silencer.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Nancy, As a prosecutor, I love silencers. That was an
additional witness that was saying the owner of this silencer, muffler, suppressor,
whatever you want to call it, is guilty. Thank you,
so much because I don't have to worry about giving
the it's rights. I don't have to worry about cross examination.
(12:05):
It is what it is, and it is a fabulous witness. Absolutely,
I loved. It didn't happen often, but when it did,
it was terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, Daryl Cohen, the first time I had a
case with a silencer, it was a drug lord and
it was this beautiful posh high rise on Peachtree, right
on Peachtree, you know, in front of God and everybody.
And as a matter of fact, the co defendant in
that case went on to raid a room, a hotel
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room with oj Simpson, Charlie the Tuna, Charles Rlik. It
was his place. We performed a search and there was
a silencer. I never had one in a case. I
knew it meant a drug lord. I knew it meant
somebody in the mom That's why who use a silencer?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And there it was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I couldn't believe it, and it spoke volumes, just as
you said, Now put on your defense attorney hat, Why
does this vascular surgeon have a silencer?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Why, Nancy, I would advise my client if he was
my client. KYDVMS keep your damn big mouth shut, because
there's no excuse to have a silencer. There's no reason
to have a silencer. There's no reasonable explanation to have
a silencer, unless, of course, you didn't want people to know,
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or anyone outside of the immediate target area the crime
scene to know what's going on. So that's why as
a silencer, if he was my client, I would keep
his mouth shut, and I would try to dance around
and ignore the silencer. And when the direct evidence came out,
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the direct questions to law enforcement, I would ask them
no questions, because in this case, less is well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Darryl, I thought your first I thought your first move
would be to try to have it suppressed. Oh that
was an illegal search. Blah blah blah blah, fruit of
the poisonous tree, blah blah blah blah. Aren't you going
to try to get this thing thrown out so the
jury never finds out about it?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Of course it's an indictment.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
But I'm making the assumption that Judge X, whoever is
presiding over the trial, is going to say, thank you
very much. I appreciate that motion is suppressed, but overruled.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know what, Darryl Cohen in those crime scene photos,
the drug lord that had the high rise like five
hundred feet down from where Elton John had his high
rise on PHG Street.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In the crime scene photo, there.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Was a suppressor beside a giant deal doo. Okay, and
the defense stried really hard to that out, but oh,
I had to have it in evidence to show the suppressor, Okay.
So that said, the suppressor is going to come in
to evidence. And I don't care what you or any
other defense attorney tries to do, how many summersaults you
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turn and cartwheels and.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Back bends, it's coming in.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
She probably heard that muffled sound Joe Scott Morgan was
describing as he McKee, according to police, shoots her husband
in bed and then shoots her.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, it's coming into evidence. Listen.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Multiple weapons were taken from the property of McKee, and
there's a preliminary link from our niven to one of
the weapons that ties it to the homicide.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Local and Columbus police in and out of McKee's twelfth
floor Chicago apartment with boxes of potential evidence, lugging it
down to a Columbus PD crime lab. Then in the
underground garage residents receive a note authorities will be investigating
over several days and they shouldn't be concerned by the
officer posted outside McKee's door. Preliminary testing leads them to
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believe one of those weapons is connected to the Tepees murders.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Did you find any other evidence in his home in
Lincoln Park?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
What I can tell you is that we did search
his property and we have evidence, but I can't speak
to any specific evidents.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, Joe Scott Morgan lightning around? First of all, can
a silencer?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Would a silencer have any markings on it from the
bullet and vice versa.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Not necessarily, it would be benign at best. As a
matter of fact, silencers Actually, there's some studies that indicate
silencers increase the velocity of the round, if you can
imagine that. No, the key to this, Nancy is going
to be the internal barrel of this weapon, and Nancy,
whatever they found there, they took those weapons immediately. As
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soon as they got them. They went to the lab
and they did preliminary ballistic testing on those weapons. And
if he's got multiple calibers and they find let's say,
nine millimeter shell, casings at the scene of the murder.
They're going to narrow it down to that one weapon,
take and fire, and they've got some kind of scientific
confirmation in their mind that they've got to match. Here.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Hey, let me follow.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Up on something that you said that I did not know.
You said that silencers in some studies are shown to increase.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
The velocity the speed of the bullet. Did you say that, Yes,
I did, I sure did.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Can you imagine this? Just keep this saying he gets
according to police. Of course, he's at a scent until
proven guilty under the law. He according to police, and
he's huge now. In fact, when I was doing an
online chat the other night when we were covering.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Tepee, people asked if he had.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Steroided up And I'm going to show them before and
after shots in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
But back to.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What you just said, Joe Scott, him standing foot of
the bed. This is already going to be a close
range shot, which is, you know, tears you up, tears
your body up. But with a silencer that increases the
velocity at close range.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, there's a possibility that it could. According to
the scientific studies that have been conducted, and a lot
of that has to do with the compression that's behind
is contained within that. Some people refer to them as cans.
Contained within that can that is pressing it down range
towards your target area. Here's the thing, and I can't
get past this, Nancy. He did this because his kids
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were in the house. That's why he did it. He
didn't want to alert them into this.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I don't know Joe Scott that he did it to
protect the children. If he had any feeling towards the children,
he would not have murdered their mother and their father.
I think it was so witnesses, like you see how
the houses are close together there. Let's see a shot
of the neighborhood. There's tall, they're almost like row houses.
If he had not had a presser, then I think
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the next door neighbors would have heard it ringing out
at three am. Oh, this video is from our friends
at WSYX. Another thing to Dan Murphy and then I'm
going to go to Karen start our strength to figure
out why he kept all this as a memento. But Dan,
we all know that bullets can be traced back to
the particular gun.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Each gun has its own markings inside the barrel.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
How does that happen.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That happens because when the gun is manufactured, the metal
cools and their little jippy's and droppies in there, and
as the bullet hurdles down the barrel at high velocity,
it gets striation markings skins on it, and it's called
striation markings. That bullet and that gun have a one
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hundred percent ballistics match. No other gun can leave those
particular markings. Scratches striations on a bullet, No other gun
like nobody else has your fingerprint, No other gun can
do that. But what people don't know is that casings can.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Be traced back to a gun as well.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
How it has to do with the marking made when
the bullet is hit, the round itself is struck and
that causes the explosion inside the round. So the firing
pin leaves a mark that is traceable back to a weapon.
It is unique.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Scott.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What does that firing pin marking look like on the case.
Just tell everyone that's not familiar with ballistics, what is
the casing, what is the bullet? And what marking would
that firing pin leave on a casing.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Okay, So at the base of a case, and you
probably can't see this real clearly, there's actually a primer cap.
It's a little concentric area right here. Just imagine a
bullseye target. Yeah, that's a great image right there, guys.
So if you see that little silver area right there,
that pen strike that Dan's talking about, that pin strike
is unique to that pin as well. Okay, So when
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that pen is actually milled, as you were referring to it,
it strikes that and it's going to leave a very
specific marking behind. There's a couple other areas that we
look for, if there's any way you can put that
image back up. If you see the kind of rim
that's around the outer perimeter of that silver bullseye when
this run. This is a semi automatic weapon. So when
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this thing is actually grabbed by the ejector inside of
that bullet, inside of the housing, it grabs it and
that's an extractor, and then there's an ejector, so it
grabs it and that eject that grabbing motion makes an
impression on that surface, and the ejector as it's cast out,
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makes another specific marking. So's there's about three different areas
just with the case and alone. I'm glad that Dan
brought up the pin strike because most people forget about that,
and that's key here. So you've got three points of
contact and we're not even talking. We're not even talking
about the projectile that they would have recovered either from
the bodies or in the adjacent area if it passed
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through the body.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
All that planning and all that plotting, driving through the night.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
According to what we have learned.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He had reserved a bed back at the hospital like
he was going to sleep there sneaks out travels nearly
four hundred miles carrying a gun and a suppressor. He
didn't know the case things are directly linked back to
the gun.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
On December thirtieth, twin between five at approximately ten oh
four am, Columbus Police patrol officers were dispatched to the
fourteen hundred block of North Forth Street on a well
being checked. Officers arrived at scene and located the two
adult victims suffering from appearing gunshot wounds. We now know
that they were identified as mister Spencer Teppe and missus
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Monique Teppy. Their two small children were also found in
the resident physically unharmed. This was a targeted attack. This
was a domestic violence related attack. As we know McKee
is the ex husband of Monique Teppy. We can say
that we have the suspect's vehicle on neighborhood video surveillance,
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arriving just before the murders and leaving shortly after. Detectives
were able to link this vehicle to McKee. The vehicle
was located and Rockford, Illinois, and evidence was found that
showed McKee in possession of the vehicle before and after.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The homicide is building its case against vascular surgeon doctor McKee.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
How long did he stalk her?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
She was terrified because he had threatened her life on
multiple occasions.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
When they were married.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He brewed and bubbled and simmed and stewed for nearly
ten years. The dating app his profile trying hot yoga.
Less flexible than I recall, Well, you're flexible enough to
break into a basement window, according to police planning trip
itineraries using global entry, hopped on an electric motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, but before.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I go to his dating apps where he's positively beaming
a million dollars smile, I want to finish up about
the ballistics yes, there's more, and a good prosecutor will
delve into every.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Single thing these bullets can prove.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD detective Sergeant Star ob
Hit podcast gold Shields and author Dan. Don't you just
love when a defendant, a suspect is so attached to
something about the crime sing that they keep it. It
could be I've seen a lot of cases where the
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killer kept the victim's jewelry, not necessarily to hawcket to
get money from it, to pawn it, because it so
intimately identifies with the victim, or a driver's license, or
a pair of underwear.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It could be anything. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I love it because it's so probative, like how
would her underwear end up in your sock drawer you
don't even know her.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I've absolutely seen it, Nancy, many times, and it is
really a moment where you just you want to high
five yourself, but at your look that this person was
so attached to this whatever it presented, whether it's a
success in their mind or the fulfillment of.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, wait wait wait damn please please please please look
at your screen. I know you can't recognize him, but
I would know that face anywhere. That's BTK buying, torture killed.
That's one of the photos where he dressed up including makeup,
a face, and a wig and tied himself up and
then took a picture of himself. Right, But talk about
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keeping mementos. I'm sorry, I just had to direct your
attention to that photo.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Continue.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
No, I've never had anyone as bad as him with that,
But I have had people hold on to identification. That
whole kidnapping crew and murder crew we caught in California
that held the identification of every person they ever kidnapped
and tortured. So when we rescued.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Victims, we oh wait, wait, wait what every person?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
They kept a memento of every person? Oh, I would
have a field.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
They just lay each driver's license out on the jury rail,
just let them sit there and you know, like drink
it in for the jury. But why do you think,
I'm going to go back to Karen Stark? But why
do you think, as a seasoned detective with NYPD, why
do they keep them their damning evidence?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
This guy thinks he's so smart that he's not going
to get caught, so he's not worried about evidence. In court,
and sometimes very smart people do very stupid things. But
in this case, I have a feeling he just liked
the gun and he figured I got away with this.
Nobody's going to link me to her. We've been divorced
for years. He thought he had outsmarted everyone, and he
liked that one and it represented triumph over her with me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Is Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of
homicide investigations, author and co host of hit podcast gold Shields. Dan,
I want to take what you said and go back
to Karen Stark. Karen, I want to talk about this
murder weaponl law enforcement had not gotten that gun match,
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that showcasing match, and there's going to be a bullet match.
A bullet found either in the bodies lodge and a
mattress lodge, somewhere.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
In that room, maybe in the wall, maybe under the bed.
They've got a bullet, all right, But they used.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The casing first to make the match, probably because the
bullet was still being fished out of the bodies at
the morgue. If we didn't have that match, we may
not have very much. But now we've got a ballistics match. Now,
why did he keep the gun. Do you think he
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puts so much love and care into procuring the silencer,
matching it with the gun. I wonder if they're going
to end up here and start finding him on video
at some gun shop or find his order online getting
a silencer that will marry to a nine millimeter that
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he put so much thought in care into that, but
it became like his little pet I don't have the
right words, you do. And holding it, caressing it, looking
at it reminded him of that moment, so he could
relive the moment he towered over his ex wife in
her bedroom with her new husband, and he could relive
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the moment he saw the terror on her face as
he killed her husband and then turned the gun on her.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Why else keep it.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
Karen, Well, Nancy, you absolutely hit it on the head.
This is somebody. First of all, he's a narcissist, so
he's not thinking about what if I get caught. He's
never going to get caught in his mind. But here
it is. He was able to, after all these years
building up resentment, threatening her, he was able to keep
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the symbol that he was successful in getting back at
her and killing her, and he could relive it he
could see. And if you think about it, this is
also a very organized killer. He's not somebody who went
in there, didn't know what he was doing and all
of a sudden decided, well maybe I'll kill them. He
planned the whole thing out, the gun, the silencer, it
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all shows that this man was meticulous, narcissistic, knew exactly
what he was doing, and enjoyed looking at the success
his win over this couple.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay, Karen starrk this is not a pretty picture I'm
about to conjure up in your mind. But according to
many forensic studies, killers keep mementos for sexual reasons. They
will keep a woman's underwear, even her driver's license, her jewelry,
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even this suppressor, and this gun, which is forever connected
to in extra linked to the murders for sex fantasies.
I don't get you masturbate with a gun.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Well, Nancy, let's think about how a gun is off
and used, symbolized right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
As being I guess I do. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
And all of the men that you mentioned, all the
killers that you mentioned, they used their tokens for sexual gratification.
They got off on them. They could look at it
over and over again and masturbate to it, just as
you said. And I have no doubt because he kept
it and held on to it, didn't care if he
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get caught that he used it the same way. After all,
he thought about her for years. He didn't really have
another relationship or involvement.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
She moved on.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
She was his possession, and now he could look at
it and get off on the fact that he had her.
He kept her, he killed And here's the proof.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Manee and her husband are shot dead. How long did
those bodies lie? They're going cold in pools of blood
with their children sitting there with mommy and daddy dead
for babies in the next room.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They're all on one floor.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
They were screaming their heads off, wailing by their parents
dead bodies.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
In a dating profile on Bumble, McKee refers to himself
as Mike, claims to be thirty two, and in the
about me section writes lucky to have work I find
meaningful and increased free time for new things. Currently trying
hot yoga, way less flexible than I recall planning trip
b itineraries to finally make use of global entry, and
hopped on an electric motorcycle. Haven't died yet he also
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says he wants children someday.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Okay, joining us an all star panel makes sense now
of this guy's dating apps straight out to Susan Hendrick's
investigative reporter and author.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Soon tell me about the dating app.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
This one is on bumble, but I imagine where there's one,
there a million, Like roaches, c one, there's a hundred
of them hiding behind the wall. Guarantee he's on another
one I haven't uncovered yet. Tell me about his dating app.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Absolutely, and that all lines I believe with who he
pretended to be and who he really was. At first
I did a double take, thinking is that the same guy?
He looks completely different, all of these hobbies I'd like
to travel, kind of trying to lure women into this
a facade on who he was. But he looks very
different to me. And I bet if Monique saw this,
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she would think that's not the person I'm that I'm married,
And she did tell her close friends and relatives that
she was afraid of them. But there he is on
the dating app. I like to travel, like you said, Nancy,
hot yoga, it's all bs.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
The last thing I want to think about is comparing
that whole king frame of his alleged lumbering down the
alley behind Manique and Spencer's home with him and a
pair of those little shorts that guys wear and hot
yo gay. I don't even want to think about that now.
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In the dating profile, it paints McKee as a.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Young thirty two year old surgeon.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Lie and it's full of details aimed at women to
interest them six' to. Two maybe he is beaming in
the photographs showing off his ten suggesting a real outdoorsman
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wearing a lilac sweater over a white button down posing
for some reason with the kid's lunchbox which shows the
Name mike and a. DINOSAUR i guess that's because He's
michael and asks people to call Him. Mike meaningful were
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increased free time for new things i.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
E you, hot, yoga less?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Flexible, well you know, what according to what we're, learning
he climbed in the half window of a basement at ground,
level suggests foreign, travel global. Entry you don't do have
global entry to go From georgia To florida and likes
to ride a. Motorcycle does he actually think that's? Macho you,
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Know Susan hendricks do you know what police call motorcycle
drivers future organ. Donors so a lot of women may
not find that dashing and. Exciting he goes on and
says a pro of dating him as, Quote.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I've perfected the chocolate chip. Cookie what is he? Doing Karen?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Stark help me, NOW i promise YOU i saw THAT
i would be attracted to the chocolate chip cookie Part Karen.
Stark he lists, art, design, basketball, football skiing, location said As,
la that's not where he.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Was it's two truth and a.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Lie i've cycled too from that's what he, Said pacific
to The, atlantic went eight full seconds on rodeo and
drink water When i'm. Thirsty, okay help me, Out Kieren.
Stark all of this is a big. Lie can you
imagine the unsuspected women that may have signed up to
meet this, guy an alleged double.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Killer i'm telling, You, nancy if you interview a lot
of women who go on dating, apps they have to
be very careful and they know it just because of
guys like. Him you would, think if you read, this
maybe he's a lonely man and he's really looking for
companionship and building up his. Ego but the truth is
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that is not who he. Is he's a man who
has wanted revenge for. Years he doesn't want to start new.
Life he wants to get revenge on the ex. Wife
and this is all about building him, up but has
nothing to do with being lonely or ranting another. Person
and you could see it from all the lives he.
Created this isn't. Him this is his image of.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Him in his dating, app he talks about how he wants,
children but he's. Alone he's running from multiple, lawsuits including
one guy who had to have his testicle, amputated another
guy claiming he had a part of a cather stuck
in his less chard stuck in his leg out after.
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Surgery so he's, alone running from, lawsuits running from process,
servers and he watches this over and over.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Look from day, ONE i knew you were something.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
SPECIAL i had quite a journey to get to, you
countless bad bumble, dates, relationships and waterfalls of, tears but
it was worth every cringing second because.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
It led me to.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
You throughout all of, THIS i knew That god was
guiding me to my person and that WHEN i met
him it would be the most magical thing. Ever and,
boy is that an. UNDERSTATEMENT i finally found my, lobster
and it honestly couldn't be a person.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
With a more beautiful.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
HEART i will love you forever And i'm so lucky
to be Missus.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Teppy how many Times Darryl cohen will his digital footprint
show me you're the Ved on trial?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Lawyer if he looked at? That even WHAT i get
to play it in front of the.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Jury that's all we, Need, Nancy that's all a prosecutor. Needs,
actually less is more in this, case one time only
oto they got. It the, jury if it goes that,
far will have, it and the jury will have everything
else and piece by. Piece and you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Know, What, darryl if a portion of the wedding video is,
played then the jury has a right to look at
the whole, thing because you can't selectively take bits and, pieces,
Right so that gives me an evidentiary basis to put
in the whole wedding.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Video and what are we going to? See a motive or?
Murder a motive to destroy his ex, wife to destroy
her husband and at the same time destroying their.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
Kids Dear, MOMO i feel so lucky to be up
here with you. Today you've grown to become my best.
Friend and together we're surrounded by friends and family who
are fortunate to be able to say the.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Same we're so.
Speaker 13 (39:54):
Lucky our support system is, immense and you Embracing larry
AND i group of friends in my loud family like
you have means the. WORLD i vow to support, you
to believe in, you and to encourage. YOU i vow
to provide for. YOU i vowed to never stop loving
you and to always keep working on. Us and, LASTLY
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i vowed to do my best to always keep making
you laugh because your smile is my favorite. THING i love.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
YOU i Mean Darryl, cohen you, said put that up
his motive while he's putting on, BUMBLE i want, Children
and he's sitting alone eating HIS tv, dinner hunched over
one of those.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Trays can you even imagine?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That and he sees this That Spencer teppie on his wedding,
Day spencer And manique murder in the same home in
which they were, married and that wedding video which was
online shows you various parts of their home that he
could figure out from.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
This he could figure out the layout of the.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Home, darryl what about When monique said she was saying
that she Compared spencer to countless bad bumble. Dates bumble,
really And i've got his bumble.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Profile wrong.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Relationships, GEE i wonder who she's talking.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
About wonderfuls of.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Tears it was worth every cringing second because it led
me to. You so has he McKee figured out that
he's the cringe and he's got to look At, spencer
who now has quote his Woman.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
NANCY i don't think there's any question he figured that out.
Easily and if he hadn't figured it, out it really wouldn't.
Matter he saw the video of her, wedding not to,
him but to the person who followed him after their contentious,
divorce after their horrible, marriage but none of it was his.
Fault all of it was, hers and he had an
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obsession with. Her and IF i can't have, you no
one else. Will AND i promise you, That and not
only will no one else have, you But i'm going
to get take care of destroy this other person WHO
i have seen in the. Video, oh we have so.
Much as a defense, LAWYER i wouldn't touch him with
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a thousand foot. Pole he's. Nuclear he is absolutely the.
Worst but the good thing is Hey Dave, MATT i
want to follow up on What Darryl cohen trial lawyer is,
saying speaking of.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
IF i can't have, you no one. Will that whole,
mentality isn't it? True Dave Matt Crime stories investigative reporter
that in various missives written missives from McKee To, manique
and this is after their, divorce after they, separate he
refers to her as his.
Speaker 14 (42:50):
Wife he continued to do, That, nancy to continue to
put his arms out there and say you're. Mine, yeah
we're divorced and you're moving, on but you are. MIND
i could not believe that he was still pushing that
in everything that he. Had you put that in, Writing,
nancy and you're stamping. It it's different than just saying
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it out. Loud he, wrote you're you're my.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Wife after the.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Breakup hey, GUYS i got to show you one more.
Thing the video we pulled after the live CHAT i
was doing the other night during our program someone named
at R O t t r U.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Ai notice. This notice the pull to the.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Right, Okay And we've seen a lot of very distinctive,
gates And i've used them in prosecution's best example in
a bank robbery where a guy was slew, footed but
he the viewer was right and noticed it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
First see a pull to the, right pull to the,
right pull to the. Right that's going to come in as.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Evidence and you know another THING i, Noticed Susan, Hendrix,
oh that video is from our friends AT. Wbns this
guy McKee no. Idiot he started being on the front
page of the paper in the first grade for winning
an academic, honor then a presentation to The secretary Of.
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State then he went on to play varsity. Football he
was in the top, five not five, percent but the
top five in his. CLASS i, mean this guy is super, smart.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Absolutely AND i spoke to a guy who played football
with him in high school and talked to him on the.
Phone he didn't want to be, named but he said
that McKee's adoptive parents he was, adopted were very. Nice
he was to himself though very. Quiet doesn't remember him
dating at, all kind of to, himself of. Course they were.
Shocked but, smart highly. Intelligent he did say that several,
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times but really kind of a a. Loner it stood out.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
To, Me, well he's making headlines. Again as we go
to air. Tonight he is en route back to home.
Turf the extradition process is happening to answer up on
multiple felony. Charges the case is still being built by
both the state and the. Defense if you know or
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think you know, anything please dial six one four, six
four five two two two eight six one four six
four five two two two Eight McKee.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Innocent until proven.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Guilty Nancy gray signing, off goodbye, friend
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a killer smile. Truer words
were never spoken. A surgeon dazzled. He beams this megawot
smile on the dating apps just before he travels nearly
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four hundred miles to gun down his ex wife and
her new husband. According to police, I mean's he Grace.
This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Michael McKee, the vascular sergeant, multiple malepractice
and claims against him. Something pushed him over the edge.
Both of the tepees or Dead Spencer and Manique.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Spencer had been shopped twice money once.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The children are orphans who probably will remember the murders
of their parents. I watched their wedding video over and
over and over preparing for tonight, and as I was
watching it looking for anything probative in the video, which
I found by the way, I wondered how many times
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vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee went over and over and
over that wedding video. They were married and murdered in
the same home. Married and murdered in the same home.
This as the defendant, the vascular surgeon, awaiting an extradition
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on multiple accounts that have just been handed down.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We uncover his dating apps.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I mean, I can't wait to get a hold of
his digital footprint.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now think about it. This is, according to police.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
He's on these dating apps, pouring out his soul about
how he wants to have children, how he loves hot yoga,
and then he's watching her. There he is with a
slew of lawsuits he's facing, including one guy with an
amputid a testicle, another of the catheter.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Shards stuck at his leg.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
He's talking about on the dating apps, how he wants children,
how he wants to settle down. Yet he's all alone.
I wonder why, looking at her wedding video, how many
nights did he hunch over his computer screen watching Monique
Joyful in that wedding video, posting photos of her pregnant
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in front of the Christmas tree, as he drones on
dating websites about how he wants children.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
One day that.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Said, now we learn about a silence, sir, Come on,
I can't wait for the defense attorney bring it on
to tell me this was not premeditated. Do you know
how difficult it is to get your mitts on a silencer,
or as it is called in the business.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
A suppressor listen.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Michael McKee indicted on four counts of aggravated murder in
the deaths of his ex wife, Monique Teppi and her
husband's The Indeamond spectifies that the firearm used by McKee
was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly called a silencer.
McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for
allegedly breaking into the Teppie home to commit the murders.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning tonight That should run a chill
down your spine. Common knowledge, common belief is that suppressors
silencers are illegal. You can't get one maybe a mobster
or a dope lord.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
That is not true. You can get them legally.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
As a matter of fact, just recently, a bill was passed.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
In the middle of the night. In the middle of
the night.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Now nothing good happens after midnight. Why is a House
of Congress passing a bill in the middle of the night.
Does that sound sneaky? It does to me because what
they did was take away a two hundred dollars surcharge
on buying silencers, so now anybody can have them. Including
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according to police, this brilliant vascular surgeon Michael McKee. Oh
excuse me, on the dating websites. He says, call me, Mike.
You know what, I'll just call you defendant. Straight out
to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of Hitting You,
(04:31):
podcast series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But for
my purposes death investigator, what can you tell me about
silencers as the vernacular for suppressors.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
You know, Nancy, one of the fascinating things about suppressors
because contrary to what people think, they are not silencers.
You cannot knock down in totality a supersonic round that
means around that actually travels at the speed of sound
or higher. It does knock it down a few decipels.
Now here's the interesting thing. When you purchase a suppressor
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and it's suppressing a sound, right, you have to be
registered with the ATF. So the ATF absolutely has record
this unless this is something that was either purchased on
the black market or something that he built, which people
can do these. But here's one of the big keys
with this, Nancy it's not only that he's on the
radar relative to the suppressor. You have to have a
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specific weapon platform. That means the handgun. This thing was
attached to, Nancy. It's got an external threaded barrel. So
if you see someone that takes a suppressor, they have
to literally screw it or attach it on. And those
weapons are very specific. So from an investigative standpoint, we're
talking about connecting the dots here relative to not just
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the suppressor, but also the pistol itself.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We are talking about the fact that suppressor silencer was
used in the murders of Monique and Spencer Teppe and
to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter, journalist and author
of a bestseller Down the Hill, My Descent into the
Double Murder and Delphi, Susan, many people didn't know about
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the allegation a suppressor was used, which requires a lot
of forethought. Right, you've got to match it to your gun,
you got to set it up, you've got to get it.
Who needs a suppressor? Who needs a silencer? We learned
about it in this indictment. Tell me about the indictment.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, Nancy, And that's an excellent point. He did plan
it out. According to this indictment, charged with four counts
of aggravated murder, and three counts of the aggravated murder
include exactly that having a silencer, and the fourth one
includes just Brandis shan or showing the firearm.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It appears he.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Planned more of what to do rather than the aftermath
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We have gotten our mits on the indictment and that
is where many people learn that a muffler suppressor silencer
was used.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, I want to go back to Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How does a silencer work for a lay person? If
you could break that down, and would a silencer be
registered on nibben, the nib N, which is the National
Integrated Ballistics Information What could you explain how in lay
(07:41):
terms does a silencer work? Don't get technical? And would
there be a trace of it? Could it be listed
on nibbon?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Okay, let's take how this thing works in the first place.
It's if you if you think about a silencer as
like a can shaped like a can, cylindrical, and you
split it down the middle. It's got a series of
and there's different forms, but this is the basics. It's
got a series of little baffles or fins that are
in it. And so just imagine, if you will, that
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as that round is traveling down that barrel, okay, the
sound of it cracking the sound barrier is actually being
caught in these little fins, and so when the thing
exits the end of the muzzle, you only have almost
it is audible, but it is not like if anyone
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has ever been near a weapon, when it fires, it's
not going to sound like a car backfiring. You might
hear something that sounds just under the sound of a
slamming door. Perhaps of course that's depending upon the way
of the door. But as the thing travels down down range,
these little baffles inside the cylinder are catching that report,
if you will. Now back to nibbing. Nibbing is fascinating
(08:54):
because most of the time with nibb and what they're
doing is they're looking for questioned ballistic information. So if
someone shot at a scene, they're collecting the casings. Remember
back in Delphi where we had the casing that had
the striations on it, and also they're collecting the actual
projectile as well for the scratches on that surface. Now,
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as far as nibbing, holding suppressor information, I'd probably say not. However,
that thing is managed by the ATF and all of
these suppressors have to go through our approval has to
go through the f APF.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Nancy, you know to Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD
detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of interrogations and investigations.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Co host of a hit podcast, gold.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Shields, and author of workplace Safety, Dan, thank you for
being with us. What goes through your mind, just off
the top of your head, when you go to a
crime scene or you arrest someone and you find on
their person a silencer.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
That person is using it or intending to use it
for criminal activity. He wants to mask the sound of
the weapon being fired. Now, in this case, we know
from the history of the case that there was not
much in terms of weaponry heard by people outside. Weapons
are very very loud. Handguns are very loud, especially inside
(10:14):
and closed spaces. You're talking about one hundred and forty
decibels as possible, which is louder than the loudest rock
concert you've ever been to, so that sound would alert
people on the outside. The presence of a silencer indicates
somebody typically wants to use it. In a way that
no one would know he had used it. It would
not be alerting people outside or in the vicinity.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Joining us now veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor, now
civil and criminal defense.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Attorney, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, thank you for being with us. Darrel.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
When you were a prosecutor, we would practically dance up
and down the halls with glee if we found a
silencer on a crime scene. There's nothing good about a silencer,
much less if it was in somebody's car and their backpack,
hidden in their trunk, or still attached to the weapon
at the crime scene. A silencer, there's nothing good about
(11:24):
a silencer. I mean, you see people driving around a
pickup trucks. They've got their gun proudly displayed on the
right behind them, right, But a silencer. Oh no, no, no,
you don't advertise that you're using a silence, or there's
nothing good about a silencer.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Nancy, As a prosecutor, I love silencers. That was an
additional witness that was saying the owner of this silencer, muffler, suppressor,
whatever you want to call it, is guilty. Thank you,
so much because I don't have to worry about giving
the it's rights. I don't have to worry about cross examination.
(12:05):
It is what it is, and it is a fabulous witness. Absolutely,
I loved. It didn't happen often, but when it did,
it was terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, Daryl Cohen, the first time I had a
case with a silencer, it was a drug lord and
it was this beautiful posh high rise on Peachtree, right
on Peachtree, you know, in front of God and everybody.
And as a matter of fact, the co defendant in
that case went on to raid a room, a hotel
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room with oj Simpson, Charlie the Tuna, Charles Rlik. It
was his place. We performed a search and there was
a silencer. I never had one in a case. I
knew it meant a drug lord. I knew it meant
somebody in the mom That's why who use a silencer?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And there it was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I couldn't believe it, and it spoke volumes, just as
you said, Now put on your defense attorney hat, Why
does this vascular surgeon have a silencer?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Why, Nancy, I would advise my client if he was
my client. KYDVMS keep your damn big mouth shut, because
there's no excuse to have a silencer. There's no reason
to have a silencer. There's no reasonable explanation to have
a silencer, unless, of course, you didn't want people to know,
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or anyone outside of the immediate target area the crime
scene to know what's going on. So that's why as
a silencer, if he was my client, I would keep
his mouth shut, and I would try to dance around
and ignore the silencer. And when the direct evidence came out,
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the direct questions to law enforcement, I would ask them
no questions, because in this case, less is well.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Darryl, I thought your first I thought your first move
would be to try to have it suppressed. Oh that
was an illegal search. Blah blah blah blah, fruit of
the poisonous tree, blah blah blah blah. Aren't you going
to try to get this thing thrown out so the
jury never finds out about it?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Of course it's an indictment.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
But I'm making the assumption that Judge X, whoever is
presiding over the trial, is going to say, thank you
very much. I appreciate that motion is suppressed, but overruled.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know what, Darryl Cohen in those crime scene photos,
the drug lord that had the high rise like five
hundred feet down from where Elton John had his high
rise on PHG Street.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
In the crime scene photo, there.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Was a suppressor beside a giant deal doo. Okay, and
the defense stried really hard to that out, but oh,
I had to have it in evidence to show the suppressor, Okay.
So that said, the suppressor is going to come in
to evidence. And I don't care what you or any
other defense attorney tries to do, how many summersaults you
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turn and cartwheels and.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Back bends, it's coming in.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
She probably heard that muffled sound Joe Scott Morgan was
describing as he McKee, according to police, shoots her husband
in bed and then shoots her.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, it's coming into evidence. Listen.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Multiple weapons were taken from the property of McKee, and
there's a preliminary link from our niven to one of
the weapons that ties it to the homicide.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Local and Columbus police in and out of McKee's twelfth
floor Chicago apartment with boxes of potential evidence, lugging it
down to a Columbus PD crime lab. Then in the
underground garage residents receive a note authorities will be investigating
over several days and they shouldn't be concerned by the
officer posted outside McKee's door. Preliminary testing leads them to
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believe one of those weapons is connected to the Tepees murders.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
Did you find any other evidence in his home in
Lincoln Park?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
What I can tell you is that we did search
his property and we have evidence, but I can't speak
to any specific evidents.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, Joe Scott Morgan lightning around? First of all, can
a silencer?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Would a silencer have any markings on it from the
bullet and vice versa.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Not necessarily, it would be benign at best. As a
matter of fact, silencers Actually, there's some studies that indicate
silencers increase the velocity of the round, if you can
imagine that. No, the key to this, Nancy is going
to be the internal barrel of this weapon, and Nancy,
whatever they found there, they took those weapons immediately. As
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soon as they got them. They went to the lab
and they did preliminary ballistic testing on those weapons. And
if he's got multiple calibers and they find let's say,
nine millimeter shell, casings at the scene of the murder.
They're going to narrow it down to that one weapon,
take and fire, and they've got some kind of scientific
confirmation in their mind that they've got to match. Here.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Hey, let me follow.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Up on something that you said that I did not know.
You said that silencers in some studies are shown to increase.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
The velocity the speed of the bullet. Did you say that, Yes,
I did, I sure did.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Can you imagine this? Just keep this saying he gets
according to police. Of course, he's at a scent until
proven guilty under the law. He according to police, and
he's huge now. In fact, when I was doing an
online chat the other night when we were covering.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Tepee, people asked if he had.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Steroided up And I'm going to show them before and
after shots in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
But back to.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What you just said, Joe Scott, him standing foot of
the bed. This is already going to be a close
range shot, which is, you know, tears you up, tears
your body up. But with a silencer that increases the
velocity at close range.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, there's a possibility that it could. According to
the scientific studies that have been conducted, and a lot
of that has to do with the compression that's behind
is contained within that. Some people refer to them as cans.
Contained within that can that is pressing it down range
towards your target area. Here's the thing, and I can't
get past this, Nancy. He did this because his kids
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were in the house. That's why he did it. He
didn't want to alert them into this.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I don't know Joe Scott that he did it to
protect the children. If he had any feeling towards the children,
he would not have murdered their mother and their father.
I think it was so witnesses, like you see how
the houses are close together there. Let's see a shot
of the neighborhood. There's tall, they're almost like row houses.
If he had not had a presser, then I think
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the next door neighbors would have heard it ringing out
at three am. Oh, this video is from our friends
at WSYX. Another thing to Dan Murphy and then I'm
going to go to Karen start our strength to figure
out why he kept all this as a memento. But Dan,
we all know that bullets can be traced back to
the particular gun.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Each gun has its own markings inside the barrel.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
How does that happen.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That happens because when the gun is manufactured, the metal
cools and their little jippy's and droppies in there, and
as the bullet hurdles down the barrel at high velocity,
it gets striation markings skins on it, and it's called
striation markings. That bullet and that gun have a one
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hundred percent ballistics match. No other gun can leave those
particular markings. Scratches striations on a bullet, No other gun
like nobody else has your fingerprint, No other gun can
do that. But what people don't know is that casings can.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Be traced back to a gun as well.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
How it has to do with the marking made when
the bullet is hit, the round itself is struck and
that causes the explosion inside the round. So the firing
pin leaves a mark that is traceable back to a weapon.
It is unique.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Scott.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What does that firing pin marking look like on the case.
Just tell everyone that's not familiar with ballistics, what is
the casing, what is the bullet? And what marking would
that firing pin leave on a casing.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Okay, So at the base of a case, and you
probably can't see this real clearly, there's actually a primer cap.
It's a little concentric area right here. Just imagine a
bullseye target. Yeah, that's a great image right there, guys.
So if you see that little silver area right there,
that pen strike that Dan's talking about, that pin strike
is unique to that pin as well. Okay, So when
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that pen is actually milled, as you were referring to it,
it strikes that and it's going to leave a very
specific marking behind. There's a couple other areas that we
look for, if there's any way you can put that
image back up. If you see the kind of rim
that's around the outer perimeter of that silver bullseye when
this run. This is a semi automatic weapon. So when
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this thing is actually grabbed by the ejector inside of
that bullet, inside of the housing, it grabs it and
that's an extractor, and then there's an ejector, so it
grabs it and that eject that grabbing motion makes an
impression on that surface, and the ejector as it's cast out,
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makes another specific marking. So's there's about three different areas
just with the case and alone. I'm glad that Dan
brought up the pin strike because most people forget about that,
and that's key here. So you've got three points of
contact and we're not even talking. We're not even talking
about the projectile that they would have recovered either from
the bodies or in the adjacent area if it passed
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through the body.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
All that planning and all that plotting, driving through the night.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
According to what we have learned.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
He had reserved a bed back at the hospital like
he was going to sleep there sneaks out travels nearly
four hundred miles carrying a gun and a suppressor. He
didn't know the case things are directly linked back to
the gun.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
On December thirtieth, twin between five at approximately ten oh
four am, Columbus Police patrol officers were dispatched to the
fourteen hundred block of North Forth Street on a well
being checked. Officers arrived at scene and located the two
adult victims suffering from appearing gunshot wounds. We now know
that they were identified as mister Spencer Teppe and missus
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Monique Teppy. Their two small children were also found in
the resident physically unharmed. This was a targeted attack. This
was a domestic violence related attack. As we know McKee
is the ex husband of Monique Teppy. We can say
that we have the suspect's vehicle on neighborhood video surveillance,
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arriving just before the murders and leaving shortly after. Detectives
were able to link this vehicle to McKee. The vehicle
was located and Rockford, Illinois, and evidence was found that
showed McKee in possession of the vehicle before and after.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The homicide is building its case against vascular surgeon doctor McKee.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
How long did he stalk her?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
She was terrified because he had threatened her life on
multiple occasions.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
When they were married.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He brewed and bubbled and simmed and stewed for nearly
ten years. The dating app his profile trying hot yoga.
Less flexible than I recall, Well, you're flexible enough to
break into a basement window, according to police planning trip
itineraries using global entry, hopped on an electric motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, but before.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I go to his dating apps where he's positively beaming
a million dollars smile, I want to finish up about
the ballistics yes, there's more, and a good prosecutor will
delve into every.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Single thing these bullets can prove.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD detective Sergeant Star ob
Hit podcast gold Shields and author Dan. Don't you just
love when a defendant, a suspect is so attached to
something about the crime sing that they keep it. It
could be I've seen a lot of cases where the
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killer kept the victim's jewelry, not necessarily to hawcket to
get money from it, to pawn it, because it so
intimately identifies with the victim, or a driver's license, or
a pair of underwear.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It could be anything. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I love it because it's so probative, like how
would her underwear end up in your sock drawer you
don't even know her.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I've absolutely seen it, Nancy, many times, and it is
really a moment where you just you want to high
five yourself, but at your look that this person was
so attached to this whatever it presented, whether it's a
success in their mind or the fulfillment of.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, wait wait wait damn please please please please look
at your screen. I know you can't recognize him, but
I would know that face anywhere. That's BTK buying, torture killed.
That's one of the photos where he dressed up including makeup,
a face, and a wig and tied himself up and
then took a picture of himself. Right, But talk about
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keeping mementos. I'm sorry, I just had to direct your
attention to that photo.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Continue.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
No, I've never had anyone as bad as him with that,
But I have had people hold on to identification. That
whole kidnapping crew and murder crew we caught in California
that held the identification of every person they ever kidnapped
and tortured. So when we rescued.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Victims, we oh wait, wait, wait what every person?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
They kept a memento of every person? Oh, I would
have a field.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
They just lay each driver's license out on the jury rail,
just let them sit there and you know, like drink
it in for the jury. But why do you think,
I'm going to go back to Karen Stark? But why
do you think, as a seasoned detective with NYPD, why
do they keep them their damning evidence?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
This guy thinks he's so smart that he's not going
to get caught, so he's not worried about evidence. In court,
and sometimes very smart people do very stupid things. But
in this case, I have a feeling he just liked
the gun and he figured I got away with this.
Nobody's going to link me to her. We've been divorced
for years. He thought he had outsmarted everyone, and he
liked that one and it represented triumph over her with me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Is Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of
homicide investigations, author and co host of hit podcast gold Shields. Dan,
I want to take what you said and go back
to Karen Stark. Karen, I want to talk about this
murder weaponl law enforcement had not gotten that gun match,
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that showcasing match, and there's going to be a bullet match.
A bullet found either in the bodies lodge and a
mattress lodge, somewhere.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
In that room, maybe in the wall, maybe under the bed.
They've got a bullet, all right, But they used.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The casing first to make the match, probably because the
bullet was still being fished out of the bodies at
the morgue. If we didn't have that match, we may
not have very much. But now we've got a ballistics match. Now,
why did he keep the gun. Do you think he
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puts so much love and care into procuring the silencer,
matching it with the gun. I wonder if they're going
to end up here and start finding him on video
at some gun shop or find his order online getting
a silencer that will marry to a nine millimeter that
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he put so much thought in care into that, but
it became like his little pet I don't have the
right words, you do. And holding it, caressing it, looking
at it reminded him of that moment, so he could
relive the moment he towered over his ex wife in
her bedroom with her new husband, and he could relive
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the moment he saw the terror on her face as
he killed her husband and then turned the gun on her.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Why else keep it.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
Karen, Well, Nancy, you absolutely hit it on the head.
This is somebody. First of all, he's a narcissist, so
he's not thinking about what if I get caught. He's
never going to get caught in his mind. But here
it is. He was able to, after all these years
building up resentment, threatening her, he was able to keep
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the symbol that he was successful in getting back at
her and killing her, and he could relive it he
could see. And if you think about it, this is
also a very organized killer. He's not somebody who went
in there, didn't know what he was doing and all
of a sudden decided, well maybe I'll kill them. He
planned the whole thing out, the gun, the silencer, it
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all shows that this man was meticulous, narcissistic, knew exactly
what he was doing, and enjoyed looking at the success
his win over this couple.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Okay, Karen starrk this is not a pretty picture I'm
about to conjure up in your mind. But according to
many forensic studies, killers keep mementos for sexual reasons. They
will keep a woman's underwear, even her driver's license, her jewelry,
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even this suppressor, and this gun, which is forever connected
to in extra linked to the murders for sex fantasies.
I don't get you masturbate with a gun.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Well, Nancy, let's think about how a gun is off
and used, symbolized right.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
As being I guess I do. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (31:19):
And all of the men that you mentioned, all the
killers that you mentioned, they used their tokens for sexual gratification.
They got off on them. They could look at it
over and over again and masturbate to it, just as
you said. And I have no doubt because he kept
it and held on to it, didn't care if he
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get caught that he used it the same way. After all,
he thought about her for years. He didn't really have
another relationship or involvement.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
She moved on.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
She was his possession, and now he could look at
it and get off on the fact that he had her.
He kept her, he killed And here's the proof.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Manee and her husband are shot dead. How long did
those bodies lie? They're going cold in pools of blood
with their children sitting there with mommy and daddy dead
for babies in the next room.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
They're all on one floor.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
They were screaming their heads off, wailing by their parents
dead bodies.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
In a dating profile on Bumble, McKee refers to himself
as Mike, claims to be thirty two, and in the
about me section writes lucky to have work I find
meaningful and increased free time for new things. Currently trying
hot yoga, way less flexible than I recall planning trip
b itineraries to finally make use of global entry, and
hopped on an electric motorcycle. Haven't died yet he also
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says he wants children someday.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Okay, joining us an all star panel makes sense now
of this guy's dating apps straight out to Susan Hendrick's
investigative reporter and author.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Soon tell me about the dating app.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
This one is on bumble, but I imagine where there's one,
there a million, Like roaches, c one, there's a hundred
of them hiding behind the wall. Guarantee he's on another
one I haven't uncovered yet. Tell me about his dating app.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Absolutely, and that all lines I believe with who he
pretended to be and who he really was. At first
I did a double take, thinking is that the same guy?
He looks completely different, all of these hobbies I'd like
to travel, kind of trying to lure women into this
a facade on who he was. But he looks very
different to me. And I bet if Monique saw this,
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she would think that's not the person I'm that I'm married,
And she did tell her close friends and relatives that
she was afraid of them. But there he is on
the dating app. I like to travel, like you said, Nancy,
hot yoga, it's all bs.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
The last thing I want to think about is comparing
that whole king frame of his alleged lumbering down the
alley behind Manique and Spencer's home with him and a
pair of those little shorts that guys wear and hot
yo gay. I don't even want to think about that now.
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In the dating profile, it paints McKee as a.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Young thirty two year old surgeon.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Lie and it's full of details aimed at women to
interest them six' to. Two maybe he is beaming in
the photographs showing off his ten suggesting a real outdoorsman
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wearing a lilac sweater over a white button down posing
for some reason with the kid's lunchbox which shows the
Name mike and a. DINOSAUR i guess that's because He's
michael and asks people to call Him. Mike meaningful were
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increased free time for new things i.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
E you, hot, yoga less?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Flexible, well you know, what according to what we're, learning
he climbed in the half window of a basement at ground,
level suggests foreign, travel global. Entry you don't do have
global entry to go From georgia To florida and likes
to ride a. Motorcycle does he actually think that's? Macho you,
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Know Susan hendricks do you know what police call motorcycle
drivers future organ. Donors so a lot of women may
not find that dashing and. Exciting he goes on and
says a pro of dating him as, Quote.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I've perfected the chocolate chip. Cookie what is he? Doing Karen?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Stark help me, NOW i promise YOU i saw THAT
i would be attracted to the chocolate chip cookie Part Karen.
Stark he lists, art, design, basketball, football skiing, location said As,
la that's not where he.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Was it's two truth and a.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Lie i've cycled too from that's what he, Said pacific
to The, atlantic went eight full seconds on rodeo and
drink water When i'm. Thirsty, okay help me, Out Kieren.
Stark all of this is a big. Lie can you
imagine the unsuspected women that may have signed up to
meet this, guy an alleged double.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Killer i'm telling, You, nancy if you interview a lot
of women who go on dating, apps they have to
be very careful and they know it just because of
guys like. Him you would, think if you read, this
maybe he's a lonely man and he's really looking for
companionship and building up his. Ego but the truth is
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that is not who he. Is he's a man who
has wanted revenge for. Years he doesn't want to start new.
Life he wants to get revenge on the ex. Wife
and this is all about building him, up but has
nothing to do with being lonely or ranting another. Person
and you could see it from all the lives he.
Created this isn't. Him this is his image of.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Him in his dating, app he talks about how he wants,
children but he's. Alone he's running from multiple, lawsuits including
one guy who had to have his testicle, amputated another
guy claiming he had a part of a cather stuck
in his less chard stuck in his leg out after.
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Surgery so he's, alone running from, lawsuits running from process,
servers and he watches this over and over.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Look from day, ONE i knew you were something.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
SPECIAL i had quite a journey to get to, you
countless bad bumble, dates, relationships and waterfalls of, tears but
it was worth every cringing second because.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
It led me to.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
You throughout all of, THIS i knew That god was
guiding me to my person and that WHEN i met
him it would be the most magical thing. Ever and,
boy is that an. UNDERSTATEMENT i finally found my, lobster
and it honestly couldn't be a person.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
With a more beautiful.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
HEART i will love you forever And i'm so lucky
to be Missus.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Teppy how many Times Darryl cohen will his digital footprint
show me you're the Ved on trial?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Lawyer if he looked at? That even WHAT i get
to play it in front of the.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Jury that's all we, Need, Nancy that's all a prosecutor. Needs,
actually less is more in this, case one time only
oto they got. It the, jury if it goes that,
far will have, it and the jury will have everything
else and piece by. Piece and you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Know, What, darryl if a portion of the wedding video is,
played then the jury has a right to look at
the whole, thing because you can't selectively take bits and, pieces,
Right so that gives me an evidentiary basis to put
in the whole wedding.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Video and what are we going to? See a motive or?
Murder a motive to destroy his ex, wife to destroy
her husband and at the same time destroying their.
Speaker 13 (39:36):
Kids Dear, MOMO i feel so lucky to be up
here with you. Today you've grown to become my best.
Friend and together we're surrounded by friends and family who
are fortunate to be able to say the.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Same we're so.
Speaker 13 (39:54):
Lucky our support system is, immense and you Embracing larry
AND i group of friends in my loud family like
you have means the. WORLD i vow to support, you
to believe in, you and to encourage. YOU i vow
to provide for. YOU i vowed to never stop loving
you and to always keep working on. Us and, LASTLY
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i vowed to do my best to always keep making
you laugh because your smile is my favorite. THING i love.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
YOU i Mean Darryl, cohen you, said put that up
his motive while he's putting on, BUMBLE i want, Children
and he's sitting alone eating HIS tv, dinner hunched over
one of those.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Trays can you even imagine?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That and he sees this That Spencer teppie on his wedding,
Day spencer And manique murder in the same home in
which they were, married and that wedding video which was
online shows you various parts of their home that he
could figure out from.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
This he could figure out the layout of the.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Home, darryl what about When monique said she was saying
that she Compared spencer to countless bad bumble. Dates bumble,
really And i've got his bumble.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Profile wrong.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Relationships, GEE i wonder who she's talking.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
About wonderfuls of.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Tears it was worth every cringing second because it led
me to. You so has he McKee figured out that
he's the cringe and he's got to look At, spencer
who now has quote his Woman.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
NANCY i don't think there's any question he figured that out.
Easily and if he hadn't figured it, out it really wouldn't.
Matter he saw the video of her, wedding not to,
him but to the person who followed him after their contentious,
divorce after their horrible, marriage but none of it was his.
Fault all of it was, hers and he had an
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obsession with. Her and IF i can't have, you no
one else. Will AND i promise you, That and not
only will no one else have, you But i'm going
to get take care of destroy this other person WHO
i have seen in the. Video, oh we have so.
Much as a defense, LAWYER i wouldn't touch him with
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a thousand foot. Pole he's. Nuclear he is absolutely the.
Worst but the good thing is Hey Dave, MATT i
want to follow up on What Darryl cohen trial lawyer is,
saying speaking of.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
IF i can't have, you no one. Will that whole,
mentality isn't it? True Dave Matt Crime stories investigative reporter
that in various missives written missives from McKee To, manique
and this is after their, divorce after they, separate he
refers to her as his.
Speaker 14 (42:50):
Wife he continued to do, That, nancy to continue to
put his arms out there and say you're. Mine, yeah
we're divorced and you're moving, on but you are. MIND
i could not believe that he was still pushing that
in everything that he. Had you put that in, Writing,
nancy and you're stamping. It it's different than just saying
(43:10):
it out. Loud he, wrote you're you're my.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Wife after the.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Breakup hey, GUYS i got to show you one more.
Thing the video we pulled after the live CHAT i
was doing the other night during our program someone named
at R O t t r U.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Ai notice. This notice the pull to the.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Right, Okay And we've seen a lot of very distinctive,
gates And i've used them in prosecution's best example in
a bank robbery where a guy was slew, footed but
he the viewer was right and noticed it.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
First see a pull to the, right pull to the,
right pull to the. Right that's going to come in as.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Evidence and you know another THING i, Noticed Susan, Hendrix,
oh that video is from our friends AT. Wbns this
guy McKee no. Idiot he started being on the front
page of the paper in the first grade for winning
an academic, honor then a presentation to The secretary Of.
(44:24):
State then he went on to play varsity. Football he
was in the top, five not five, percent but the
top five in his. CLASS i, mean this guy is super, smart.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Absolutely AND i spoke to a guy who played football
with him in high school and talked to him on the.
Phone he didn't want to be, named but he said
that McKee's adoptive parents he was, adopted were very. Nice
he was to himself though very. Quiet doesn't remember him
dating at, all kind of to, himself of. Course they were.
Shocked but, smart highly. Intelligent he did say that several,
(44:57):
times but really kind of a a. Loner it stood out.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
To, Me, well he's making headlines. Again as we go
to air. Tonight he is en route back to home.
Turf the extradition process is happening to answer up on
multiple felony. Charges the case is still being built by
both the state and the. Defense if you know or
(45:23):
think you know, anything please dial six one four, six
four five two two two eight six one four six
four five two two two Eight McKee.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Innocent until proven.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Guilty Nancy gray signing, off goodbye, friend
Host
Nancy Grace
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