January 14, 2026 • 49 mins
Barry Morphew returns to the Alamosa County court to formally face murder charges for the second time.
Morphew is soft-spoken in a cream-colored sweater and light-wash jeans, sitting next to attorneys David Beller and Jane Fisher-Byrialsen. His daughters, Mallory and Macy, sat behind him in the first row.
Beller enters a not guilty plea on Morphew's behalf.
Maintaining his innocence in his wife’s murder, Morphew waives his right to a speedy trial. Defense attorneys and prosecutors, agreeing on the large amounts of data, anticipate that the length of the proceedings requires more time to prepare.
The judge sets October 13 for Morphew’s jury trial; it is expected to run up to six weeks.
Barry Morphew was originally charged with the murder of his wife in May 2021, but the case was dropped days before trial, after the judge barred prosecutors from calling key witnesses to the State's case, for failing to follow rules in turning over evidence.
Former 11th Judicial District Attorney Linda Stanley was later disbarred by the Colorado Supreme Court for significant ethical misconduct. Stanley made inappropriate comments in the media and even improperly investigated the judge in the case.
Her actions compromised the Morphew prosecution and led to disciplinary action.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Mark Tate - Trial Lawyer, The Tate Law Group
- Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Scott Eicher - Digital Forensics Expert, Founding Member of the FBI’s Cellular Analysis Survey Team (C.A.S.T); Historical Cellular Analysis Expert; Currently with Precision Cellular Analysis Handling Criminal, Defense and Civil Cases
- Dr. William Morrone - Medical Examiner, Toxicologist, Pathologist, Opioid Treatment Expert, Author: “American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality”
- Gregory Nieto - Reporter, Fox 31 Denver - KDVR; X: greg_nieto, IG: nwzdude
- Dave Mack - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace missing mom Suzanne Morpheu's body,
her remains, her bones found in a wasteland known as
the Boneyard. This as husband Barry Morphew insists in court.
(00:23):
I didn't do it. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Barry Morphy, charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free
because now his wife's body turns up what's left of
it full of animal tranquilizers.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Did you have anything to do with the disappearance of
your wife.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Absolutely not. It's very hurtful to lose your reputation and
your integrity. That from our friends at GMA. Good morning America.
Welcome everyone, Thank you for being with us tonight. What
a long and twisted and Rocky wrote it has been
to get husband Barry more few in court. I mean
(01:06):
straight out to veteran trial lawyer who shot to fame
during the Alex Murdog trial in his backyard, Mark Tate,
veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate Law Group, Mark,
it's a field day for a defense attorney to have
the original charges dropped. Thrown out, the original murder charges
(01:28):
against Barry more Few were thrown out for various reasons.
But the case was almost cooked, almost baked. You know
when you open the oven and you look at the
cake and it looks good, but you touch it, it's
a little gooey on the inside. Too soon, right, the
(01:51):
case was thrown out and Barry Moore Few did a
little jig up and down the Cournhouse halls. Hey I'm free,
And he sued the government for fifteen million dollars claiming
prosecutorial misconduct. That's bold. You should just take your win
(02:12):
and quietly creep away. But hgub l n O more
a Few filed a fifteen million dollar lawsuit against the
prosecutors for prosecutorial misconduct and more. He's been reindicted.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, that's a terrible the civil laws suitable idea, horrible idea.
I'm a plaintiffs lawyer as well, and I think I
would want to talk to that lawyer on behalf of
more Few and discuss the bad, bad advice that he got.
It may well be legal malpractice to have done that,
because it certainly drew Barry back into the spotlight of
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this district Attorney's office. I think that causes a real pain.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Take back, cut, take day, take number one. It pains me,
but I agree with you. But you can't say the
prosecutors refiled the indictment, the murder indictment against Barry Morphia
because they were po technical legal term, it's a Latin
derivative pode oh the lawsuit because they tried, like h
(03:16):
double l at the beginning to indictment, indict him and
charge him in this case, and no lawsuit had ever
been filed. But I will say that suing the prosecutor
for fifteen million dollars and you're acting all innocent, like
your hands are clean, Yeah, that did pour a little
gas on the flame. I think you're right about that.
(03:39):
I mean, if they weren't inciitivized before to indict him,
they were then tate.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, sure, lawyers are motivated by many things. And you
got somebody coming after you saying that you were inappropriate
in your job, you're going to say, well, wait a minute,
I think we to spend some more time on this.
And in this instance, I think it made it so
their likelihood proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt changes significantly,
mainly because now they have apparently very well put together
(04:06):
autopsy results, and so I know you like to say,
I want.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
To yes, oh, yes, let's talk about those autopsy results.
Have you ever heard of BAM? B brother, a alpha
m mother. It's be torphinal zapperone and metatoma medda to
mid die metatoma dine. What is it? It's an animal tranquilizer.
(04:35):
Straight out to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter on the case
from the very beginning, Dave Mac. Dave Mac, how many
people in the state of Colorado, the state, not the city,
not the county, the state of Colorado have access or
have obtained BAM.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There's only one private citizen living in the entire state
of Colorado that had access as to BAM, Barry Morphew.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Did you hear that? Mark Tate? One person that's not
a vet or a licensed professional, and the whole state
has access to BAM. I don't know why he had
to have animal tranquilizers. He came up with a story
that I think that he would shoot the animals and
then take their horns off of them a sportsman. But yes,
(05:24):
the whole state. Okay, now we've got the setup. Now
I'm going out to special guests joining us. Doctor William Moroney,
medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan.
Doctor Moroney is running for the Michigan thirty five district
(05:45):
State Senate seat. And I wish you luck on that that,
although I hate to lose you to politics. Oh that said,
he didn't just write a book. He created his own
mobile opioid treatment facility. Mobile. He travels around trying to
help people and explain to them and treat them for
(06:08):
opioid addiction and overdose and raises a family and as
a medical examiner, that said, Bam, I will let you
pronounce these. These drugs beutrphenol as zaparone and the other one.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
What are they Beutorphenol is used in migraine headaches. It's
an opioid derivative. The menomtomidate that is only used to
intubate in surgery and by ambulances. And Azaperone is a
family that we know from buse pronone, which is an
(06:51):
anti azelitic, takes away anxiety and in high doses it's
used to calm people down who are manic or having
a panic attack. So that is a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Okay, I need you to, and I had to struggle
with medical examiners my entire prosecution career. No, no, no,
I didn't disagree very often with what they said. I
just can't understand what you're saying. It's like you're speaking
in hieroglyphics, you know, Egyptian writing. And if I can't
(07:25):
understand it, I don't expect a jury to understand it either.
So these are my layperson notes. Metrphenol is a synthetic.
It's an opioid, and in US it's a controlled substance according.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
To the DEA.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
In other words, you can't get it at Walgreens. Okay.
The second one, the A in a zaparine. The A
in BAM causes tranquilization. It's a tranquilizer. It reduced. This
is your motor activity. You can't move. That's what the
(08:04):
A is for. So the first one is an opioid derivative,
like heroin is an opioid derivative. The next one immobilizes
you. You can't move. And the third one, the M has
been shown useful for anesthesia and immobilization in zoo animals. Now,
(08:26):
the reason I'm pointing out zoo animals is BAM, including
the m in that equation can take down a rhino.
A rhino, okay, explain.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, those large animals need to be controlled so we
can do medical procedures on them, and in this case
in America we use them on moose, we use them
on elk in another country. To study animal husbandry, you
(09:00):
need to paralyze an animal, walk up to it and
work on it. Paralyzing an animal has to be so
that it's safe, so that you can make that animal
sleepy if you give all those medicines. The whole idea
is to put somebody into a paralytic state, or if
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you do very high doses, they may die. But the
menotommodate commodate is very common in all of our eers,
but nobody uses it outside of the hospital. And as
a piron it's part of an antipsychotic or an anti
anxiety family, so it makes you not care what's happening,
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and you're dissociated and the state all is the brand
name for butorphanol. It's it's used sparingly now, but it
used to be used as a management for headaches and
especially migraines. But it's something that if you use it regularly,
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you can become a ducat.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You're losing me.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're losing me. You're losing me. Okay, come on, we're
playing ping pong, not chess. Okay, you're speaking to regular people. Yes,
I have a law degree, but I know nothing about
what you're saying. So you got me lost in the sauce. Okay,
it's bad, it's a cocky. But the one word I
(10:29):
got out of that is you shoot a moose. Okay,
a moose. You lost me. After that, I got a
little bit of it. You shoot rhinos with this stuff,
you bring down giant game. What would it do to
a little lady that weighed about one hundred and twenty
pounds if you shot her with BAM in a nutshell?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
In a nutshell, If it didn't kill her right away,
she'd sleep for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight out to special guests
joining us. Gregory Nieto, investigator reporter Fox thirty one, Denver.
He's been on the case from the very very beginning, Gregory,
I'm going to get to Morphew back in court. But
(11:23):
when Susanne Morphew's bones bones were found in the quote
boneyard waste land found really by coincidence. Was BAM in
her system?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
To the best of our knowledge out here it was
at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, wasn't it revealed in the autopsy that BAM was
in her system?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
That is correct? I mean between that and what was
found inside the dryer at the morphu morphu residence, between
the rifle or the tranquilizer rifle, and the needle cap
that was found along with berry shorts that are linked
to the rents surrounding May ninth and May tenth. He
put those three factors together, and it seems like it
(12:10):
should be a slam dunk case.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well that's what they said about aj Simpson two. So
I try not to use that particular vernacular or jargon. So,
Greg Grinietta, you said, well, to the best of our
knowledge out here, she had BAM in her system. Yes, no,
you are now on cross warning, Gregornierto, isn't it true
the autopsy report showed BAM and Suzanne Morpheus system. Yes, no, yes,
(12:38):
it did show that. And isn't it true that a
cylinder like a dark gun, a BAM dark gun cylinder.
What was found in Morphew's dryer two things?
Speaker 6 (12:50):
I mean, you find the needle cap that's associated with
that sort of paralyzing agent, to put it in Layman's terms.
And then again his shorts are found in the same
dryer as that needle cap shorts that are attached to
again the events of May nine, May ten, shorts he
was seen wearing in surveillance video at the time of
(13:11):
Suzanne's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And the significance of May nine is May nine, isn't
it true? Gregory Inietto around two o'clock in the afternoon,
I believe was the last time that Suzanne Morphew was
heard from on social media, phones, texts, emails, nothing after
that time. And he was wearing those shorts around the
(13:36):
time she dropped off the face of the earth. Isn't
that true?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
That's true, wearing those shorts at the time that she
supposedly had gone out for that bike ride and never
came back, and leading up to the events of him
heading north of Salida allegedly later that weekend to head
to a job site in Broomfield.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So you attach, Okay, you're put in the cart before
the horse. You're putting the cart before the horse, and
everything you're saying is absolutely correct as usual, Niatto, But
I'm focusing on the BAM. Why am I focusing on
the BAM Because you start your case always with a bang,
with some of your strongest evidence, then you follow it up,
(14:19):
and then you end it with strong evidence. The fact
that she has BAM in her system, one person in
the state, according to Dave Mack and others, had access
to that outside of vets and medical professionals is ary
more few. Now I want to talk about how her
(14:41):
body was found. Could you describe Niato the so called boneyard.
I just want you to tell me what is the boneyard?
Where is it?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Bonyard is about an hour mouth of Salida. It's in
an area that if you didn't know it existed, we
drive right past it. But it's known for, unfortunately finding
a lot of as you mentioned, bones, but usually we're
talking about animal bones. We're not talking about the bones
(15:19):
of a mother and a wife.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm so glad you said that, Gregor Nieto, because sometimes
we get bogged down, including me. I can't see the
forest for the trees. I'm so focusing on the probative
value of each piece of evidence, okay, because that's how
I'm trained, That's how I see the world now. But
you just said mother. Mother Suzanne Morpheu fought cancer when
(15:48):
her bones were found out in a desolate wastelink known
as the bone yard. Her port, her cancerport, was there
with her remains. This little lady thought cancer with all
of her heart, her soul, her strength, because she wanted
(16:11):
to be there for her two girls growing up. And
isn't it the irony that it looks like she may
beat cancer and then she's murdered And I want to
talk about this. I don't know how are you going
to get around this, Mark Tate. You're the veteran defense attorney.
(16:31):
Whoever killed her and the state says it's bury more
few left her body in the boneyard, out in the
open for animals to chew on and eat and tear apart.
The killer never thought her bones would be found. But
(16:55):
three years past and they are found. How can you
reconcile that with a jury? How can you look them
and they're gonna all look over very more for you
and think he left her out there for this beautiful
mom to have her body torn apart by animals and nod.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
On the portrait that the prosecutors will be able to
draw here is shocking, and he is absolutely by what
can be described a disgusting, repulsive human that you don't
have anything to do with. So his his issues that
are you're not helping. I'm not helping yet the only
helping him.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You're the defense lawyer just said what I would say, argument.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Is, I'm going to have to go hire another forensic pathologist,
another medical examiner who can pick apart the autopsy results
and cause some doubt about whether that material was actually
found in them. I don't see any other, uh, any
other thing to attack this with. If you take away
(18:00):
the BAM or even cause there to be some question
about whether it was actually found, you might have a chance.
But all the story that you just spun, that will
be in opening statements and inclosing arguments. I have spin
it or if you look terrible, well that's your job.
You're a prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Spin it. I'm not rumbel steals can spinning hey into gold.
I'm just telling you the fact. Karen Stark, He's in
a whole heap of trouble. Let's just put it like that.
Joining me now a renowned forensic psychologist. She is a
TV radio trauma expert, a consultant, and you can find
her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen went to see
(18:38):
Karen in a nutshell. I do not know how a
defense attorney is going to somehow shroud Barry Moore. Few
in the Indish of respectability when they hear one person
in the state unless that stat can be attacked, and
I don't think it can be outside of medpros like
vets and doctors have access to these read drugs. Doctor
(19:01):
Moroney was describing the B the M, the B, the A,
the M, not just that. I mean they're gonna be
pain of the scene of her running away from him
in the home and him chasing her with a dark gun,
chasing his wife, his cancer survivor wife, the mother of
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his children, chasing her through this home out in the
middle of nowhere with a dark gun. I guarantee you
a trial, we're going to hear about animal activity, as
it's euphemistically called on her bones. Who and the HG
double L would do that?
Speaker 8 (19:37):
See, this guy has no emotions, clearly right, he's narcissistic.
He coerced her, he controlled her, He did things like
using a gun. Everything that you mentioned. He pins her
down to the bed, the fact that she was paralyzed
and he could take control so he could preserve his image,
(19:58):
and they and it doesn't look like there was any
domestic violence, even the fact that he puts the lame
on everybody else, the media, the police, her, everyone else
is at fault except for him. Classic traits that show
that this guy is not someone who feels anything. There
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is nothing about him that is a sensitive, good guy.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I know that they won't like it, but I would
make the jury and I've actually had jerars turn away physically.
I would make them. I would walk them through what
happened to her body out there, lying out there in
the elements, and first one animal comes up, then another,
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then they start eating her body and tearing apart her bones,
tearing literally tearing the flesh off her bones. What's the
first thing to go? Birds taking her eyes? I don't know,
but by the time I got into closing argument, I
would know, and I would have the jury walk through,
(21:09):
even if I had to drag them. What happened to
Suzanne more few She.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Went on a bike ride Mother's Day morning and never
came back.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Her daughters were camping on Mother's Day and they called
her relentlessly to talk to their mom on Mother's Day.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Why would she be riding that bicycle by herself on
Mother's Day, Mother's Day weekend?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Why was she by herself on Mother's Day? Why was
that a hastily planned trip out of town for Barry Morphew.
His coworker is very clear that they weren't supposed to
leave till late that night. But Morphew leaves at what
five o'clock in the morning. That's a whole another can
(21:53):
of worms that I think is approbate of value. But
I want you to hear this.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
The Chafe County Sheriff's Office arrested Suzanne Morphy's husband, Barry Morphew.
He was taken into Cussey, near his home and Poda Springs.
He was loaned at the time of his arrest, and
he was arrested without incident.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Sheds not do for celebration, nor does it mark the
end of this investigation.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
Rather, it's the next step of it's very difficult, yet
very important journey as we seek justice for our susanitor family.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
We're not releasing the affidavit and we don't have a body,
so how can I convince the public that we have
a strong case. That's my job. I'm the one that
considers how strong my case is before I bring charges,
and I wouldn't bring charges unless I was confident.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That was then. This is now. They didn't release the affidavit.
Then I've got it now. That was from our friends
at Fox thirty one. I want to walk through this affidavit. Okay,
this is what we learn. This is along with the
murder charges murder in the first degree in Colorado. You
(23:02):
go on and you see a supporting affidavit. So much
stands out to me in the probable cause for count one.
I want to talk to Scott Iiker joining us. He
is a digital forensics expert, and listen to this founding
member of the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation Cellular
(23:25):
Analysis Survey Team. Wow. He is currently with Precision Cellular
Analysis handling criminal cases. Scott, thank you for being with us.
I was going through what we learn about the digital
trail of both more Few and Susanne leading up to
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the time of her disappearance on a death and everybody.
The reason we're here tonight, Barry Morphew's first indictment was dropped.
Everything was dropped. We sued the government for fifteen million
dollars claiming he's the victim. Now he's been reindicted on
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murder and he's back in court. Will there ever be
justice for Susanne Morphew? The only way to get justice
is to have a steel stomach and look at the evidence.
What can I learn from the digital evidence, Scott.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Ker As you have touched on a little bit before.
We have cell phone records from the life and from Barry,
and we also have vehicle telematics from his truck, his
work truck. We have a lot of difference.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's a telematic. What is a telematic and what is
an entertainment system?
Speaker 11 (24:47):
So your vehicles also have cell phones in it, so
that there's a cell phone data you can pull from
the phone company that handles that big type of vehicles.
Sometimes it's AT and T, sometimes it's T Mobile. And
then there's the infotainment system within the vehicle. It's more
for maintenance, but also has a lot of information of
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like when the vehicle was started, when it was moved,
when the brakes were applied, when an accident, hurt occurred,
you know things like that. So all this is put
together to put that timeline.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And when I read that.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Affi David, I really saw that they're putting a timeline
together saying that her phone went off at this point
in time. His phone went off at this point in time,
his vehicle moved at this point in time, and they're
laying it all out in a very good manner to
show he was there at the time that her phone
went off.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, I'm interested in another thing. His digital data
reveals he stated that he left five a m. That's
not true based on the digital data. The digital data
shows that he left at a completely different time. Isn't
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that true? Gregory Nieto, That is true.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
He was supposed to head up from Salida up to
the Broomfield Erigain just north of Denver for a job
site work project. And initially he was supposed to head
up to that Broomfield location with this coworker that he
stayed in contact with over the next couple of days.
But the stories just don't match. I mean, you see
(26:29):
the surveillance video of Barry in the hallway at this
Hotelios have a surveillance video of Barry going to various
dumpsters in the Broomfield area. And he maintains that he
was at the job site at the time that he
was notified about his wife, and this coworker had said
that basically couldn't be true because he didn't bring the
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necessary tools that we needed to complete the task.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, number one, the coworker says they were supposed to
leave that evening late that evening for an alleged job
in Broomfield. That's not true. Morphew says that he left
at five am. Five am. That is not borne out
by his digital forensics. He left at a completely different time.
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Why is he lying what was happening at that home
during those hours? She's not seen or heard from. After
May nine, that's the day before he leaves. Her children
don't hear from her, her friends, She has no social media,
no phone calls, no anything. He is supposed to ride
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with the friend. Instead he leaves that morning around three am.
Why what in the hay? Then he goes to Broomfield
and he basically lounges around the hotel room for nine
hours doing what. Oh and there's one more thing. Isn't
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it true, Greg Renieto that he visited multiple trash cans
and dump sides explained.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
It is true caught on a surveillance video visiting these
various dumpsters in and around that hotel where he was
staying up in Broomfield, and that was a major facet
or tenant when we first visited this case back when
Barry was originally arrested. It's still coincides in a bad
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way with what went down back at the more Few
home in regard to that dark rifle or tranquilizer rifle
and the needle cap that was found in the dryer
along with his shorts. You match what was seen on
surveillance video outside the more Few home, You match that
with what was seen up outside that Broomfield and inside
the Broomfield hotel, and the stories again don't add up,
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and they don't match up when it comes to that
coworker that he was supposed to be with, at least
for the drive up and perhaps the right back.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, he called the cowork and went, oh yeah, I
already left. Sorry. I want you to think back on
Photus Dulos, his wife, the mother of his five children
in Connecticut, Mama five, Jennifer goes missing. Her body's never
been found. There was a profuse amount of blood her
(29:22):
blood in the garage after it drop off. That morning,
she dropped the children off at school. She's never been
seen again, and Photus Dulos went on a trash round
up listen.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Investigators believe surveillance video from Hartford shows Photus Dulos the
same day Jennifer Farber Dulos disappeared getting in and out
of a truck and disposing of black trash bags with
Michelle Treconez in the passenger seat.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Several pieces of evidence, including a bra that had been
cut down the middle of the front and a vineyard
vine's shirt Jennifer Dulos is believed to have worn the
day she vanished, stained with blood.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
There's photos Dulos going all around town done his trap,
much like we see Barry Morphew too straight out to
Tate joining us. Mark Tate, veteran defense attorney, want a
lot of cases. Why did Barry morph You have to
go out of town to throw out his trash? Why
did he drive all the way to his next job
(30:18):
site well over an hour to throw out trash? Sure, well,
you go on vacation or a work trip, you just
take a whole suitcase full of trash and not just
in one place. But let me see while he's talking.
As much as I like to look at Tate, could
we look at Morphew throwing out all that trash in
all those different locations. There you go, he's such a.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Meeting, Nancy Grace. My job in this instance is not
going to be to talk about why he's throwing trash away.
My job is going to be to focus on that
autopsy that found this sedative paralytic.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Stop stop it. You can do that to a jury,
but it ain't on crime stories. I asked you about
the trash. You're trying to do is make me think
about your attack on the BAM And we've already done
that us first.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
From talking about this evidence, and you know I'd hate
to do it. That's what we do a lot of
this inflammatory.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Can we talked about the trash.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
In, Nancy Grace, it's not going to come in all
of this giant is going to the jury.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Do you just hear throwout? I'll follow emotion and lemonade
very simply. Most leimone is when you go to the judge,
when you know that evidence is particularly damning for your clients, you.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Want to prejudice this jury. Do you remember that poor
guy down there who was alleged to have blown up
the Atlanta Olympics. I know you do. That poor guys
Richard Jewles's life was ruined because there was a predetermined
outcome of his criminal trial. We got to respect the
fact that there is one thing that can be attacked here,
and that is the results of this autopsy. And you know,
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there are forensic pathologists who have studied the ability to
find these specific drugs in a decayed body. It was
one published in twenty twenty five, in fact, and that's important.
And we want to convict this guy if he's guilty,
because what he did means if what he did is true,
he should never walk this planet free again. That's why
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it's important that we prove beyond a reasonable doubt and
make sure there is no doubt about that he did this.
The story's inflammatory, it's biased against him. Nothing looks good
about what he did. We got to look at the
science of whether that drug was found in her, and
even if it's not, even if there's a reason to
find that it's reasonable that he may not have poisoned
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her with that drug or y'd have been there. Then
if he's found guilty. Despite that, then the jury's heard
the information and still be found guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Doctor William Maroney, as much as I hate to rehab
what we've already talked about in Mark Tate's effort, and
I understand what he's doing to avoid the fact that
Barry Morphew took his trash from home all the way
on a work trip. What did he put it in
a suitcase and then went to multiple dumps to get
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rid of it? And he's caught on tape. I can
see him. It's him. Can you please address Tate. It's
like the squeaky wheel, you know, when you're driving Maroney
and you keep hearing something going roop, or when you
hit the brakes and you go and you know something's
way wrong and it won't go away. Could you please
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explain in regular people talk, Dr Maroney, how the medical
examiner found this deadly cocktail of animal trunk in Susanne Morphew.
Because it's going to be really hard to find another
medical examiner to refute this. Did they do it? Doctr Maroney?
Speaker 12 (34:02):
Two battling experts, one of them is going to say,
we have the science to prove if we take dry tissue,
if we take dry muscle, If we take desiccated dried
organs like the liver, we can cut them up and
rehydrate them and then we kind of make like a
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slurry or like a milkshake, and then when it's in
a liquid form, we extract BAM and then we can
give you a concentration based on her size. And the
expert that's going to throw it out is going to say,
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you don't have the published science to prove that's a
fatal dose, or you don't have the published science to
show that you can have a dose and that dose
is biologically incompatible with life. So that's two steps to
prove that you have it. Is one you have to
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prove that you have the science forensically. The defense has
the easiest job because they can just show that the
science doesn't work, that the science is not representative. And
even if you have to find BAM in the first
step from those organs and muscles that have been desiccated
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and dried out in the boneyard for three years and
then rehydrated. And then the second thing you have to
show is the concentration of those agents, those paralyzing agents,
those old voids, the concentration available in her tissue, her organs,
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and her muscle.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You're studying that. You have to show the jury how
you extract you recreate her dried organs by making, as
you said, a slurry like you get at Dairy Queen
or McDonald's. You take her dried organs and you hydrate them.
In other words, pour in distilled water or saline solution
of some sort, and you make it a liquid. You
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blend her organs, her dried organs with liquid. By making
it liquid, you can then extract various things. You can
do drug labs. You can do all sorts of labs,
but you can pull a BAM lab look for those
three drugs. That's how you do it. Then you have
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to prove the concentration of the drug in her body. Okay,
that's how you do it. Now, say somebody like Mark
Tate brings in a hired gun to attack what you did.
How do you prove what you did is legitimate? How
can they possibly disprove that?
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Well, that's where the Daubert comes in iSER versus Merrill
dow And in that lawsuit, the judge claimed that the
court did not have the technology to verify what was
presented as the prosecution's argument, and that was again verified
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back in two thousand and seven. I think the judge
was Rose Aqualina. It was Lancey Michigan. She threw out
a homicide because she said they did not have the
technology to prove that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Hey, Maroni, I understand about Dobt. I understand the Dobert
case very well. I'm asking you simply put, when you
were attacked in court about your procedure, how do you
prove that what you did worked? That's my question.
Speaker 12 (37:58):
The first thing you do is you to research in
forensic chemistry and toxicology and you show that we've done
studies like at the Body Farm or European studies when
we looked at dead people who were given drugs. Have
we successfully in the last five or ten years been
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able to show that? And if you can show it
in literature and your state police crime lab forensic follows
the same protocol, use the same chemicals, then they will
be able to say we've shown this in case law,
we've shown this in research and recopied it, and this
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is a toxic level that there's no way you can
have ddam.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, I mean to put it in simple terms, Marony.
We went through the same thing trying to get DNA approved,
familial DNA, all the way back to fingerprints. There's always
been a defense attorney climate. That's not real. That's science.
That's old as the courtroom.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Suzanne is found in a grave site.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Her body found in a shallow grave miles away in
a state of de cop and completely skeletonized, that she
was out of her clothes.
Speaker 10 (39:19):
We just know our died better than anyone else, and
we know he was not involved in our mom's disappearance.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
I just love my girls, and I love my wife,
and I just wanted.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
To be found.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
That's what they've done.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
It's not fair, and we're never going to stop looking
for a mom.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
That from our friends at g M A Good Morning
America Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know the phenomena
of adult children refusing to accept their parents' guilt, you know,
(40:07):
to Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one
Denver KdV are on Susanne's disappearance from the very beginning,
Greg Nietto, the daughters don't have anything left. They don't
they've lost their mom and now they're looking down the
wrong end of a barrel of losing their dad. They
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don't want to accept it at all. I also have
wondered if they felt some sort of guilt because they
went away from their mom on Mother's Day weekend. They shouldn't.
It was a pretty planned trip with some friends, probably
before they even realized that was Mother's Day. And they're
the reason, the daughters, or the whole reason the red
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flag of alarm went up that she was missing because
they kept trying to call her for Mother's Day and
they couldn't get her. So I think that they're just
overwhelmed with fear of losing their dad too, and that
they weren't there.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Yeah. I mean they've been by his side the entire time,
each and every court appearance on Monday, they're right there,
just behind where Berry is seated there and down in
Alamosa in the courtroom, and they've I think you put
it very well, Nancy. I think at a certain point,
you've lost your mother and you realize that your dad
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maybe going away for the rest of his life, and
you'll lose two parents in the span of five and
a half years. If the trial does indeed start in
mid October, that from.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Our friends at CBS two Kara start joining US forensics psychologists.
I think you can explain it a little bit better
than I can. Why adult children have seen this over
and over in court because normally the prosecutor has the
victim's family lined up behind them in court. Not when
adult children are involved. They cannot. It's not that they
don't want to accept it. They cannot accept it.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
If you think about it, it makes perfecal sense to me.
Of course, I'm a psychologist, but when you are living
with a parent, it is very and close to the parent,
it's really difficult to be able to see them as
human having flaws doing something that extreme as committing murder,
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especially with their mother. They are not able to self reflect.
They are biased, They cannot. They have no choice about it.
In their mind, it has to be that their father
is not guilty, and of course you have to add
the fact that they don't have their mother anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The bike, the bike. I started counting how many times
in the affidavit and the supporting documents that Morphy kept saying,
look for the bike by bike she went out on
a bike ride. I mean he might as well taken
out an ad on third avenue. The bike will exonerate me.
As a matter of fact, Gregorio I enjoy watching this
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particular clip. After all of his urging, finally the bike
is found. See this is what he's counting on that
somebody on that jury is gonna believe she really went
for a bike ride. Okay, let's listen to Bury more few.
Is it a crash?
Speaker 11 (43:23):
I mean the bike looked the way it was land
that kind of looks like it, but there's not really.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
That much damage for a bike. That's the lion. Yeah, lion.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
I didn't see anything now anything, and they're not letting
us go over the side because we're getting to track.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Looking for foot.
Speaker 12 (43:42):
Jacks on the route.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I haven't seen anything really, but.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Like people tracks were lying.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I didn't really know this, but I will lie and
not like an Okay, there you see him, Bye bye bike.
And then actually says Gregory that he thinks the Mountain
Lion took her, and I guess the Mountain Lion tried
on her bike helmet because it was found what about
a mile away?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
That's correct.
Speaker 12 (44:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
Again, if you remember, shortly after she went missing, we
physically went down to the Morphew house. We went down
the dirt road that you're seeing there at the end
the video. And at this point I think you just
on things at the wall right with the sheriff deputy
is going to be X, going to be y? Could
it be Z versus perhaps the obvious?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
To Scott Iiker joining us, well, just to button that up,
it's quite the coincidence that he says dozens of times
she was on a bike cride, bye bye bye, because
I believe that he thinks evidence of her going on
a bi cride will get him off the hook. I
don't know how he's going to try to explain that
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her helmet was found so far away from the bike.
But that said to Scott Iiker joining us founding member
FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team now with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, again,
thank you for being with us tonight. You know what
I love Deleted texts and emails. Do people do old people,
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as my twins call everyone other than themselves, do they
not know to delete deleted emails and deleted texts? Because
they're right there, I mean, even I can find them
on the phone. So he deleted an entire text chain
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from Susanne Morphy when she finally says, you know what
I'm done. I don't care what you've done in the past.
I don't care how long you've been doing it, what
you've been up to. I just want to get out
of this civilly. I saw all I want. Why did
he delete that whole text chain? Everything else is still there?
(45:55):
But that happened just before she disappeared, oh before the
Mountain Lion got her. He chose to delete it, but
he took a screenshot of it, and he still had
the screenshot. That's weird, A very rarely screen shot a
text chain. Tell me the whole thing. How does it work, Scott.
Speaker 11 (46:20):
Well, obviously if he's deleting stuff off her phone, he
wanted to make sure earth have everybody think they had
this perfect marriage. Well, obviously from those text messages, she
wanted to get out of the marriage. So he's trying
to hide that kind of information. So you can just
go in and try to delete something off of phone,
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but a lot of times, in the extraction of the
phone where we hook it up to another device and
it reads every little bit of that phone when it
was turned on, text message, emails, pictures, everything, we can
find those deleted text messages. So he's not doing that
very well, that's for sure. If he's trying to hide
that information that she wanted to break up with him,
were to end that marriage, and having it happen right
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after or right before she went missing, that's quite suspicious
in my mind.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Last thing, Gregory Nietto, he was in court, he pled
not guilty. Can I just show you the million dollar
smile he flashed coming into that courtroom? Wait for it? Oh,
there you go, there you go way, that's where our
friends at Denver seven. He apparently doesn't have a care
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in the world. What's with that, Gregory Nietto? And did
you say the trial's not until October?
Speaker 6 (47:38):
Yeah? I think he's bought himself some more freedom time, right,
I mean, why wouldn't you want the trial to not
take place for another ten months or so? I thought
it was fascinating on Monday, you know, he walks in
with his daughters and he's dressed in a light jeans
and a cream sweater, very casual look and seemed very
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at ease with I'd say, not only the process, but
folks in the courtroom. There are very strict rules for
the media in terms of not approaching barriers daughters as
they walk in or out of the courtroom. But we
have one account from one of Suzanne's buddies that he actually,
you know, said hello to her and how you doing
that sort of thing? And at that shocked shocked her.
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But again, we have ten more months of freedom. Why
wouldn't you be smiling that.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
From our friends at CBS. Yeah, every day is another day.
He's innocent and delayed. Delayed delay a defense attorney's best friend.
The case is still being built. If you know or
think you know anything regarding justice for Suzanne, please call
CBI seven one nine three one two seven five three
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zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five
three zero. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
It is he say
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace missing mom Suzanne Morpheu's body,
her remains, her bones found in a wasteland known as
the Boneyard. This as husband Barry Morphew insists in court.
(00:23):
I didn't do it. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Barry Morphy, charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free
because now his wife's body turns up what's left of
it full of animal tranquilizers.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Did you have anything to do with the disappearance of
your wife.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Absolutely not. It's very hurtful to lose your reputation and
your integrity. That from our friends at GMA. Good morning America.
Welcome everyone, Thank you for being with us tonight. What
a long and twisted and Rocky wrote it has been
to get husband Barry more few in court. I mean
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straight out to veteran trial lawyer who shot to fame
during the Alex Murdog trial in his backyard, Mark Tate,
veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate Law Group, Mark,
it's a field day for a defense attorney to have
the original charges dropped. Thrown out, the original murder charges
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against Barry more Few were thrown out for various reasons.
But the case was almost cooked, almost baked. You know
when you open the oven and you look at the
cake and it looks good, but you touch it, it's
a little gooey on the inside. Too soon, right, the
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case was thrown out and Barry Moore Few did a
little jig up and down the Cournhouse halls. Hey I'm free,
And he sued the government for fifteen million dollars claiming
prosecutorial misconduct. That's bold. You should just take your win
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and quietly creep away. But hgub l n O more
a Few filed a fifteen million dollar lawsuit against the
prosecutors for prosecutorial misconduct and more. He's been reindicted.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, that's a terrible the civil laws suitable idea, horrible idea.
I'm a plaintiffs lawyer as well, and I think I
would want to talk to that lawyer on behalf of
more Few and discuss the bad, bad advice that he got.
It may well be legal malpractice to have done that,
because it certainly drew Barry back into the spotlight of
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this district Attorney's office. I think that causes a real pain.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Take back, cut, take day, take number one. It pains me,
but I agree with you. But you can't say the
prosecutors refiled the indictment, the murder indictment against Barry Morphia
because they were po technical legal term, it's a Latin
derivative pode oh the lawsuit because they tried, like h
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double l at the beginning to indictment, indict him and
charge him in this case, and no lawsuit had ever
been filed. But I will say that suing the prosecutor
for fifteen million dollars and you're acting all innocent, like
your hands are clean, Yeah, that did pour a little
gas on the flame. I think you're right about that.
(03:39):
I mean, if they weren't inciitivized before to indict him,
they were then tate.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, sure, lawyers are motivated by many things. And you
got somebody coming after you saying that you were inappropriate
in your job, you're going to say, well, wait a minute,
I think we to spend some more time on this.
And in this instance, I think it made it so
their likelihood proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt changes significantly,
mainly because now they have apparently very well put together
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autopsy results, and so I know you like to say,
I want.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
To yes, oh, yes, let's talk about those autopsy results.
Have you ever heard of BAM? B brother, a alpha
m mother. It's be torphinal zapperone and metatoma medda to
mid die metatoma dine. What is it? It's an animal tranquilizer.
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Straight out to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter on the case
from the very beginning, Dave Mac. Dave Mac, how many
people in the state of Colorado, the state, not the city,
not the county, the state of Colorado have access or
have obtained BAM.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There's only one private citizen living in the entire state
of Colorado that had access as to BAM, Barry Morphew.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Did you hear that? Mark Tate? One person that's not
a vet or a licensed professional, and the whole state
has access to BAM. I don't know why he had
to have animal tranquilizers. He came up with a story
that I think that he would shoot the animals and
then take their horns off of them a sportsman. But yes,
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the whole state. Okay, now we've got the setup. Now
I'm going out to special guests joining us. Doctor William Moroney,
medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan.
Doctor Moroney is running for the Michigan thirty five district
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State Senate seat. And I wish you luck on that that,
although I hate to lose you to politics. Oh that said,
he didn't just write a book. He created his own
mobile opioid treatment facility. Mobile. He travels around trying to
help people and explain to them and treat them for
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opioid addiction and overdose and raises a family and as
a medical examiner, that said, Bam, I will let you
pronounce these. These drugs beutrphenol as zaparone and the other one.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
What are they Beutorphenol is used in migraine headaches. It's
an opioid derivative. The menomtomidate that is only used to
intubate in surgery and by ambulances. And Azaperone is a
family that we know from buse pronone, which is an
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anti azelitic, takes away anxiety and in high doses it's
used to calm people down who are manic or having
a panic attack. So that is a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Okay, I need you to, and I had to struggle
with medical examiners my entire prosecution career. No, no, no,
I didn't disagree very often with what they said. I
just can't understand what you're saying. It's like you're speaking
in hieroglyphics, you know, Egyptian writing. And if I can't
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understand it, I don't expect a jury to understand it either.
So these are my layperson notes. Metrphenol is a synthetic.
It's an opioid, and in US it's a controlled substance according.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
To the DEA.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
In other words, you can't get it at Walgreens. Okay.
The second one, the A in a zaparine. The A
in BAM causes tranquilization. It's a tranquilizer. It reduced. This
is your motor activity. You can't move. That's what the
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A is for. So the first one is an opioid derivative,
like heroin is an opioid derivative. The next one immobilizes
you. You can't move. And the third one, the M has
been shown useful for anesthesia and immobilization in zoo animals. Now,
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the reason I'm pointing out zoo animals is BAM, including
the m in that equation can take down a rhino.
A rhino, okay, explain.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, those large animals need to be controlled so we
can do medical procedures on them, and in this case
in America we use them on moose, we use them
on elk in another country. To study animal husbandry, you
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need to paralyze an animal, walk up to it and
work on it. Paralyzing an animal has to be so
that it's safe, so that you can make that animal
sleepy if you give all those medicines. The whole idea
is to put somebody into a paralytic state, or if
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you do very high doses, they may die. But the
menotommodate commodate is very common in all of our eers,
but nobody uses it outside of the hospital. And as
a piron it's part of an antipsychotic or an anti
anxiety family, so it makes you not care what's happening,
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and you're dissociated and the state all is the brand
name for butorphanol. It's it's used sparingly now, but it
used to be used as a management for headaches and
especially migraines. But it's something that if you use it regularly,
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you can become a ducat.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You're losing me.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You're losing me. You're losing me. Okay, come on, we're
playing ping pong, not chess. Okay, you're speaking to regular people. Yes,
I have a law degree, but I know nothing about
what you're saying. So you got me lost in the sauce. Okay,
it's bad, it's a cocky. But the one word I
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got out of that is you shoot a moose. Okay,
a moose. You lost me. After that, I got a
little bit of it. You shoot rhinos with this stuff,
you bring down giant game. What would it do to
a little lady that weighed about one hundred and twenty
pounds if you shot her with BAM in a nutshell?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
In a nutshell, If it didn't kill her right away,
she'd sleep for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight out to special guests
joining us. Gregory Nieto, investigator reporter Fox thirty one, Denver.
He's been on the case from the very very beginning, Gregory,
I'm going to get to Morphew back in court. But
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when Susanne Morphew's bones bones were found in the quote
boneyard waste land found really by coincidence. Was BAM in
her system?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
To the best of our knowledge out here it was
at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, wasn't it revealed in the autopsy that BAM was
in her system?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
That is correct? I mean between that and what was
found inside the dryer at the morphu morphu residence, between
the rifle or the tranquilizer rifle, and the needle cap
that was found along with berry shorts that are linked
to the rents surrounding May ninth and May tenth. He
put those three factors together, and it seems like it
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should be a slam dunk case.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well that's what they said about aj Simpson two. So
I try not to use that particular vernacular or jargon. So,
Greg Grinietta, you said, well, to the best of our
knowledge out here, she had BAM in her system. Yes, no,
you are now on cross warning, Gregornierto, isn't it true
the autopsy report showed BAM and Suzanne Morpheus system. Yes, no, yes,
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it did show that. And isn't it true that a
cylinder like a dark gun, a BAM dark gun cylinder.
What was found in Morphew's dryer two things?
Speaker 6 (12:50):
I mean, you find the needle cap that's associated with
that sort of paralyzing agent, to put it in Layman's terms.
And then again his shorts are found in the same
dryer as that needle cap shorts that are attached to
again the events of May nine, May ten, shorts he
was seen wearing in surveillance video at the time of
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Suzanne's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And the significance of May nine is May nine, isn't
it true? Gregory Inietto around two o'clock in the afternoon,
I believe was the last time that Suzanne Morphew was
heard from on social media, phones, texts, emails, nothing after
that time. And he was wearing those shorts around the
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time she dropped off the face of the earth. Isn't
that true?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
That's true, wearing those shorts at the time that she
supposedly had gone out for that bike ride and never
came back, and leading up to the events of him
heading north of Salida allegedly later that weekend to head
to a job site in Broomfield.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So you attach, Okay, you're put in the cart before
the horse. You're putting the cart before the horse, and
everything you're saying is absolutely correct as usual, Niatto, But
I'm focusing on the BAM. Why am I focusing on
the BAM Because you start your case always with a bang,
with some of your strongest evidence, then you follow it up,
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and then you end it with strong evidence. The fact
that she has BAM in her system, one person in
the state, according to Dave Mack and others, had access
to that outside of vets and medical professionals is ary
more few. Now I want to talk about how her
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body was found. Could you describe Niato the so called boneyard.
I just want you to tell me what is the boneyard?
Where is it?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Bonyard is about an hour mouth of Salida. It's in
an area that if you didn't know it existed, we
drive right past it. But it's known for, unfortunately finding
a lot of as you mentioned, bones, but usually we're
talking about animal bones. We're not talking about the bones
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of a mother and a wife.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm so glad you said that, Gregor Nieto, because sometimes
we get bogged down, including me. I can't see the
forest for the trees. I'm so focusing on the probative
value of each piece of evidence, okay, because that's how
I'm trained, That's how I see the world now. But
you just said mother. Mother Suzanne Morpheu fought cancer when
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her bones were found out in a desolate wastelink known
as the bone yard. Her port, her cancerport, was there
with her remains. This little lady thought cancer with all
of her heart, her soul, her strength, because she wanted
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to be there for her two girls growing up. And
isn't it the irony that it looks like she may
beat cancer and then she's murdered And I want to
talk about this. I don't know how are you going
to get around this, Mark Tate. You're the veteran defense attorney.
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Whoever killed her and the state says it's bury more
few left her body in the boneyard, out in the
open for animals to chew on and eat and tear apart.
The killer never thought her bones would be found. But
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three years past and they are found. How can you
reconcile that with a jury? How can you look them
and they're gonna all look over very more for you
and think he left her out there for this beautiful
mom to have her body torn apart by animals and nod.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
On the portrait that the prosecutors will be able to
draw here is shocking, and he is absolutely by what
can be described a disgusting, repulsive human that you don't
have anything to do with. So his his issues that
are you're not helping. I'm not helping yet the only
helping him.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You're the defense lawyer just said what I would say, argument.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Is, I'm going to have to go hire another forensic pathologist,
another medical examiner who can pick apart the autopsy results
and cause some doubt about whether that material was actually
found in them. I don't see any other, uh, any
other thing to attack this with. If you take away
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the BAM or even cause there to be some question
about whether it was actually found, you might have a chance.
But all the story that you just spun, that will
be in opening statements and inclosing arguments. I have spin
it or if you look terrible, well that's your job.
You're a prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Spin it. I'm not rumbel steals can spinning hey into gold.
I'm just telling you the fact. Karen Stark, He's in
a whole heap of trouble. Let's just put it like that.
Joining me now a renowned forensic psychologist. She is a
TV radio trauma expert, a consultant, and you can find
her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen went to see
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Karen in a nutshell. I do not know how a
defense attorney is going to somehow shroud Barry Moore. Few
in the Indish of respectability when they hear one person
in the state unless that stat can be attacked, and
I don't think it can be outside of medpros like
vets and doctors have access to these read drugs. Doctor
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Moroney was describing the B the M, the B, the A,
the M, not just that. I mean they're gonna be
pain of the scene of her running away from him
in the home and him chasing her with a dark gun,
chasing his wife, his cancer survivor wife, the mother of
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his children, chasing her through this home out in the
middle of nowhere with a dark gun. I guarantee you
a trial, we're going to hear about animal activity, as
it's euphemistically called on her bones. Who and the HG
double L would do that?
Speaker 8 (19:37):
See, this guy has no emotions, clearly right, he's narcissistic.
He coerced her, he controlled her, He did things like
using a gun. Everything that you mentioned. He pins her
down to the bed, the fact that she was paralyzed
and he could take control so he could preserve his image,
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and they and it doesn't look like there was any
domestic violence, even the fact that he puts the lame
on everybody else, the media, the police, her, everyone else
is at fault except for him. Classic traits that show
that this guy is not someone who feels anything. There
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is nothing about him that is a sensitive, good guy.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I know that they won't like it, but I would
make the jury and I've actually had jerars turn away physically.
I would make them. I would walk them through what
happened to her body out there, lying out there in
the elements, and first one animal comes up, then another,
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then they start eating her body and tearing apart her bones,
tearing literally tearing the flesh off her bones. What's the
first thing to go? Birds taking her eyes? I don't know,
but by the time I got into closing argument, I
would know, and I would have the jury walk through,
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even if I had to drag them. What happened to
Suzanne more few She.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
Went on a bike ride Mother's Day morning and never
came back.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Her daughters were camping on Mother's Day and they called
her relentlessly to talk to their mom on Mother's Day.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Why would she be riding that bicycle by herself on
Mother's Day, Mother's Day weekend?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Why was she by herself on Mother's Day? Why was
that a hastily planned trip out of town for Barry Morphew.
His coworker is very clear that they weren't supposed to
leave till late that night. But Morphew leaves at what
five o'clock in the morning. That's a whole another can
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of worms that I think is approbate of value. But
I want you to hear this.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
The Chafe County Sheriff's Office arrested Suzanne Morphy's husband, Barry Morphew.
He was taken into Cussey, near his home and Poda Springs.
He was loaned at the time of his arrest, and
he was arrested without incident.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Sheds not do for celebration, nor does it mark the
end of this investigation.
Speaker 10 (22:18):
Rather, it's the next step of it's very difficult, yet
very important journey as we seek justice for our susanitor family.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
We're not releasing the affidavit and we don't have a body,
so how can I convince the public that we have
a strong case. That's my job. I'm the one that
considers how strong my case is before I bring charges,
and I wouldn't bring charges unless I was confident.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
That was then. This is now. They didn't release the affidavit.
Then I've got it now. That was from our friends
at Fox thirty one. I want to walk through this affidavit. Okay,
this is what we learn. This is along with the
murder charges murder in the first degree in Colorado. You
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go on and you see a supporting affidavit. So much
stands out to me in the probable cause for count one.
I want to talk to Scott Iiker joining us. He
is a digital forensics expert, and listen to this founding
member of the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation Cellular
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Analysis Survey Team. Wow. He is currently with Precision Cellular
Analysis handling criminal cases. Scott, thank you for being with us.
I was going through what we learn about the digital
trail of both more Few and Susanne leading up to
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the time of her disappearance on a death and everybody.
The reason we're here tonight, Barry Morphew's first indictment was dropped.
Everything was dropped. We sued the government for fifteen million
dollars claiming he's the victim. Now he's been reindicted on
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murder and he's back in court. Will there ever be
justice for Susanne Morphew? The only way to get justice
is to have a steel stomach and look at the evidence.
What can I learn from the digital evidence, Scott.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Ker As you have touched on a little bit before.
We have cell phone records from the life and from Barry,
and we also have vehicle telematics from his truck, his
work truck. We have a lot of difference.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's a telematic. What is a telematic and what is
an entertainment system?
Speaker 11 (24:47):
So your vehicles also have cell phones in it, so
that there's a cell phone data you can pull from
the phone company that handles that big type of vehicles.
Sometimes it's AT and T, sometimes it's T Mobile. And
then there's the infotainment system within the vehicle. It's more
for maintenance, but also has a lot of information of
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like when the vehicle was started, when it was moved,
when the brakes were applied, when an accident, hurt occurred,
you know things like that. So all this is put
together to put that timeline.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And when I read that.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Affi David, I really saw that they're putting a timeline
together saying that her phone went off at this point
in time. His phone went off at this point in time,
his vehicle moved at this point in time, and they're
laying it all out in a very good manner to
show he was there at the time that her phone
went off.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, I'm interested in another thing. His digital data
reveals he stated that he left five a m. That's
not true based on the digital data. The digital data
shows that he left at a completely different time. Isn't
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that true? Gregory Nieto, That is true.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
He was supposed to head up from Salida up to
the Broomfield Erigain just north of Denver for a job
site work project. And initially he was supposed to head
up to that Broomfield location with this coworker that he
stayed in contact with over the next couple of days.
But the stories just don't match. I mean, you see
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the surveillance video of Barry in the hallway at this
Hotelios have a surveillance video of Barry going to various
dumpsters in the Broomfield area. And he maintains that he
was at the job site at the time that he
was notified about his wife, and this coworker had said
that basically couldn't be true because he didn't bring the
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necessary tools that we needed to complete the task.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, number one, the coworker says they were supposed to
leave that evening late that evening for an alleged job
in Broomfield. That's not true. Morphew says that he left
at five am. Five am. That is not borne out
by his digital forensics. He left at a completely different time.
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Why is he lying what was happening at that home
during those hours? She's not seen or heard from. After
May nine, that's the day before he leaves. Her children
don't hear from her, her friends, She has no social media,
no phone calls, no anything. He is supposed to ride
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with the friend. Instead he leaves that morning around three am.
Why what in the hay? Then he goes to Broomfield
and he basically lounges around the hotel room for nine
hours doing what. Oh and there's one more thing. Isn't
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it true, Greg Renieto that he visited multiple trash cans
and dump sides explained.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
It is true caught on a surveillance video visiting these
various dumpsters in and around that hotel where he was
staying up in Broomfield, and that was a major facet
or tenant when we first visited this case back when
Barry was originally arrested. It's still coincides in a bad
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way with what went down back at the more Few
home in regard to that dark rifle or tranquilizer rifle
and the needle cap that was found in the dryer
along with his shorts. You match what was seen on
surveillance video outside the more Few home, You match that
with what was seen up outside that Broomfield and inside
the Broomfield hotel, and the stories again don't add up,
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and they don't match up when it comes to that
coworker that he was supposed to be with, at least
for the drive up and perhaps the right back.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, he called the cowork and went, oh yeah, I
already left. Sorry. I want you to think back on
Photus Dulos, his wife, the mother of his five children
in Connecticut, Mama five, Jennifer goes missing. Her body's never
been found. There was a profuse amount of blood her
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blood in the garage after it drop off. That morning,
she dropped the children off at school. She's never been
seen again, and Photus Dulos went on a trash round
up listen.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Investigators believe surveillance video from Hartford shows Photus Dulos the
same day Jennifer Farber Dulos disappeared getting in and out
of a truck and disposing of black trash bags with
Michelle Treconez in the passenger seat.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Several pieces of evidence, including a bra that had been
cut down the middle of the front and a vineyard
vine's shirt Jennifer Dulos is believed to have worn the
day she vanished, stained with blood.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
There's photos Dulos going all around town done his trap,
much like we see Barry Morphew too straight out to
Tate joining us. Mark Tate, veteran defense attorney, want a
lot of cases. Why did Barry morph You have to
go out of town to throw out his trash? Why
did he drive all the way to his next job
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site well over an hour to throw out trash? Sure, well,
you go on vacation or a work trip, you just
take a whole suitcase full of trash and not just
in one place. But let me see while he's talking.
As much as I like to look at Tate, could
we look at Morphew throwing out all that trash in
all those different locations. There you go, he's such a.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Meeting, Nancy Grace. My job in this instance is not
going to be to talk about why he's throwing trash away.
My job is going to be to focus on that
autopsy that found this sedative paralytic.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Stop stop it. You can do that to a jury,
but it ain't on crime stories. I asked you about
the trash. You're trying to do is make me think
about your attack on the BAM And we've already done
that us first.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
From talking about this evidence, and you know I'd hate
to do it. That's what we do a lot of
this inflammatory.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Can we talked about the trash.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
In, Nancy Grace, it's not going to come in all
of this giant is going to the jury.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Do you just hear throwout? I'll follow emotion and lemonade
very simply. Most leimone is when you go to the judge,
when you know that evidence is particularly damning for your clients, you.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Want to prejudice this jury. Do you remember that poor
guy down there who was alleged to have blown up
the Atlanta Olympics. I know you do. That poor guys
Richard Jewles's life was ruined because there was a predetermined
outcome of his criminal trial. We got to respect the
fact that there is one thing that can be attacked here,
and that is the results of this autopsy. And you know,
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there are forensic pathologists who have studied the ability to
find these specific drugs in a decayed body. It was
one published in twenty twenty five, in fact, and that's important.
And we want to convict this guy if he's guilty,
because what he did means if what he did is true,
he should never walk this planet free again. That's why
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it's important that we prove beyond a reasonable doubt and
make sure there is no doubt about that he did this.
The story's inflammatory, it's biased against him. Nothing looks good
about what he did. We got to look at the
science of whether that drug was found in her, and
even if it's not, even if there's a reason to
find that it's reasonable that he may not have poisoned
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her with that drug or y'd have been there. Then
if he's found guilty. Despite that, then the jury's heard
the information and still be found guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Doctor William Maroney, as much as I hate to rehab
what we've already talked about in Mark Tate's effort, and
I understand what he's doing to avoid the fact that
Barry Morphew took his trash from home all the way
on a work trip. What did he put it in
a suitcase and then went to multiple dumps to get
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rid of it? And he's caught on tape. I can
see him. It's him. Can you please address Tate. It's
like the squeaky wheel, you know, when you're driving Maroney
and you keep hearing something going roop, or when you
hit the brakes and you go and you know something's
way wrong and it won't go away. Could you please
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explain in regular people talk, Dr Maroney, how the medical
examiner found this deadly cocktail of animal trunk in Susanne Morphew.
Because it's going to be really hard to find another
medical examiner to refute this. Did they do it? Doctr Maroney?
Speaker 12 (34:02):
Two battling experts, one of them is going to say,
we have the science to prove if we take dry tissue,
if we take dry muscle, If we take desiccated dried
organs like the liver, we can cut them up and
rehydrate them and then we kind of make like a
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slurry or like a milkshake, and then when it's in
a liquid form, we extract BAM and then we can
give you a concentration based on her size. And the
expert that's going to throw it out is going to say,
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you don't have the published science to prove that's a
fatal dose, or you don't have the published science to
show that you can have a dose and that dose
is biologically incompatible with life. So that's two steps to
prove that you have it. Is one you have to
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prove that you have the science forensically. The defense has
the easiest job because they can just show that the
science doesn't work, that the science is not representative. And
even if you have to find BAM in the first
step from those organs and muscles that have been desiccated
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and dried out in the boneyard for three years and
then rehydrated. And then the second thing you have to
show is the concentration of those agents, those paralyzing agents,
those old voids, the concentration available in her tissue, her organs,
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and her muscle.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You're studying that. You have to show the jury how
you extract you recreate her dried organs by making, as
you said, a slurry like you get at Dairy Queen
or McDonald's. You take her dried organs and you hydrate them.
In other words, pour in distilled water or saline solution
of some sort, and you make it a liquid. You
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blend her organs, her dried organs with liquid. By making
it liquid, you can then extract various things. You can
do drug labs. You can do all sorts of labs,
but you can pull a BAM lab look for those
three drugs. That's how you do it. Then you have
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to prove the concentration of the drug in her body. Okay,
that's how you do it. Now, say somebody like Mark
Tate brings in a hired gun to attack what you did.
How do you prove what you did is legitimate? How
can they possibly disprove that?
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Well, that's where the Daubert comes in iSER versus Merrill
dow And in that lawsuit, the judge claimed that the
court did not have the technology to verify what was
presented as the prosecution's argument, and that was again verified
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back in two thousand and seven. I think the judge
was Rose Aqualina. It was Lancey Michigan. She threw out
a homicide because she said they did not have the
technology to prove that.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Hey, Maroni, I understand about Dobt. I understand the Dobert
case very well. I'm asking you simply put, when you
were attacked in court about your procedure, how do you
prove that what you did worked? That's my question.
Speaker 12 (37:58):
The first thing you do is you to research in
forensic chemistry and toxicology and you show that we've done
studies like at the Body Farm or European studies when
we looked at dead people who were given drugs. Have
we successfully in the last five or ten years been
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able to show that? And if you can show it
in literature and your state police crime lab forensic follows
the same protocol, use the same chemicals, then they will
be able to say we've shown this in case law,
we've shown this in research and recopied it, and this
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is a toxic level that there's no way you can
have ddam.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, I mean to put it in simple terms, Marony.
We went through the same thing trying to get DNA approved,
familial DNA, all the way back to fingerprints. There's always
been a defense attorney climate. That's not real. That's science.
That's old as the courtroom.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Suzanne is found in a grave site.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Her body found in a shallow grave miles away in
a state of de cop and completely skeletonized, that she
was out of her clothes.
Speaker 10 (39:19):
We just know our died better than anyone else, and
we know he was not involved in our mom's disappearance.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
I just love my girls, and I love my wife,
and I just wanted.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
To be found.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
That's what they've done.
Speaker 9 (39:34):
It's not fair, and we're never going to stop looking
for a mom.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
That from our friends at g M A Good Morning
America Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know the phenomena
of adult children refusing to accept their parents' guilt, you know,
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to Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one
Denver KdV are on Susanne's disappearance from the very beginning,
Greg Nietto, the daughters don't have anything left. They don't
they've lost their mom and now they're looking down the
wrong end of a barrel of losing their dad. They
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don't want to accept it at all. I also have
wondered if they felt some sort of guilt because they
went away from their mom on Mother's Day weekend. They shouldn't.
It was a pretty planned trip with some friends, probably
before they even realized that was Mother's Day. And they're
the reason, the daughters, or the whole reason the red
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flag of alarm went up that she was missing because
they kept trying to call her for Mother's Day and
they couldn't get her. So I think that they're just
overwhelmed with fear of losing their dad too, and that
they weren't there.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
Yeah. I mean they've been by his side the entire time,
each and every court appearance on Monday, they're right there,
just behind where Berry is seated there and down in
Alamosa in the courtroom, and they've I think you put
it very well, Nancy. I think at a certain point,
you've lost your mother and you realize that your dad
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maybe going away for the rest of his life, and
you'll lose two parents in the span of five and
a half years. If the trial does indeed start in
mid October, that from.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Our friends at CBS two Kara start joining US forensics psychologists.
I think you can explain it a little bit better
than I can. Why adult children have seen this over
and over in court because normally the prosecutor has the
victim's family lined up behind them in court. Not when
adult children are involved. They cannot. It's not that they
don't want to accept it. They cannot accept it.
Speaker 8 (42:05):
If you think about it, it makes perfecal sense to me.
Of course, I'm a psychologist, but when you are living
with a parent, it is very and close to the parent,
it's really difficult to be able to see them as
human having flaws doing something that extreme as committing murder,
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especially with their mother. They are not able to self reflect.
They are biased, They cannot. They have no choice about it.
In their mind, it has to be that their father
is not guilty, and of course you have to add
the fact that they don't have their mother anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The bike, the bike. I started counting how many times
in the affidavit and the supporting documents that Morphy kept saying,
look for the bike by bike she went out on
a bike ride. I mean he might as well taken
out an ad on third avenue. The bike will exonerate me.
As a matter of fact, Gregorio I enjoy watching this
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particular clip. After all of his urging, finally the bike
is found. See this is what he's counting on that
somebody on that jury is gonna believe she really went
for a bike ride. Okay, let's listen to Bury more few.
Is it a crash?
Speaker 11 (43:23):
I mean the bike looked the way it was land
that kind of looks like it, but there's not really.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
That much damage for a bike. That's the lion. Yeah, lion.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
I didn't see anything now anything, and they're not letting
us go over the side because we're getting to track.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Looking for foot.
Speaker 12 (43:42):
Jacks on the route.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I haven't seen anything really, but.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Like people tracks were lying.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I didn't really know this, but I will lie and
not like an Okay, there you see him, Bye bye bike.
And then actually says Gregory that he thinks the Mountain
Lion took her, and I guess the Mountain Lion tried
on her bike helmet because it was found what about
a mile away?
Speaker 6 (44:08):
That's correct.
Speaker 12 (44:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
Again, if you remember, shortly after she went missing, we
physically went down to the Morphew house. We went down
the dirt road that you're seeing there at the end
the video. And at this point I think you just
on things at the wall right with the sheriff deputy
is going to be X, going to be y? Could
it be Z versus perhaps the obvious?
Speaker 1 (44:29):
To Scott Iiker joining us, well, just to button that up,
it's quite the coincidence that he says dozens of times
she was on a bike cride, bye bye bye, because
I believe that he thinks evidence of her going on
a bi cride will get him off the hook. I
don't know how he's going to try to explain that
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her helmet was found so far away from the bike.
But that said to Scott Iiker joining us founding member
FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team now with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, again,
thank you for being with us tonight. You know what
I love Deleted texts and emails. Do people do old people,
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as my twins call everyone other than themselves, do they
not know to delete deleted emails and deleted texts? Because
they're right there, I mean, even I can find them
on the phone. So he deleted an entire text chain
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from Susanne Morphy when she finally says, you know what
I'm done. I don't care what you've done in the past.
I don't care how long you've been doing it, what
you've been up to. I just want to get out
of this civilly. I saw all I want. Why did
he delete that whole text chain? Everything else is still there?
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But that happened just before she disappeared, oh before the
Mountain Lion got her. He chose to delete it, but
he took a screenshot of it, and he still had
the screenshot. That's weird, A very rarely screen shot a
text chain. Tell me the whole thing. How does it work, Scott.
Speaker 11 (46:20):
Well, obviously if he's deleting stuff off her phone, he
wanted to make sure earth have everybody think they had
this perfect marriage. Well, obviously from those text messages, she
wanted to get out of the marriage. So he's trying
to hide that kind of information. So you can just
go in and try to delete something off of phone,
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but a lot of times, in the extraction of the
phone where we hook it up to another device and
it reads every little bit of that phone when it
was turned on, text message, emails, pictures, everything, we can
find those deleted text messages. So he's not doing that
very well, that's for sure. If he's trying to hide
that information that she wanted to break up with him,
were to end that marriage, and having it happen right
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after or right before she went missing, that's quite suspicious
in my mind.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Last thing, Gregory Nietto, he was in court, he pled
not guilty. Can I just show you the million dollar
smile he flashed coming into that courtroom? Wait for it? Oh,
there you go, there you go way, that's where our
friends at Denver seven. He apparently doesn't have a care
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in the world. What's with that, Gregory Nietto? And did
you say the trial's not until October?
Speaker 6 (47:38):
Yeah? I think he's bought himself some more freedom time, right,
I mean, why wouldn't you want the trial to not
take place for another ten months or so? I thought
it was fascinating on Monday, you know, he walks in
with his daughters and he's dressed in a light jeans
and a cream sweater, very casual look and seemed very
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at ease with I'd say, not only the process, but
folks in the courtroom. There are very strict rules for
the media in terms of not approaching barriers daughters as
they walk in or out of the courtroom. But we
have one account from one of Suzanne's buddies that he actually,
you know, said hello to her and how you doing
that sort of thing? And at that shocked shocked her.
(48:20):
But again, we have ten more months of freedom. Why
wouldn't you be smiling that.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
From our friends at CBS. Yeah, every day is another day.
He's innocent and delayed. Delayed delay a defense attorney's best friend.
The case is still being built. If you know or
think you know anything regarding justice for Suzanne, please call
CBI seven one nine three one two seven five three
(48:48):
zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five
three zero. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
It is he say
Host
Nancy Grace
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