June 29, 2025 • 33 mins
Molly Bish is 16 when she disappears from her life guard job at Commons Pond in Warren, Massachusetts, 25 years ago. Her murdered remains are found on a mountainside three years later. No one has ever been arrested in Molly’s kidnapping and murder. This is a case that Nancy Grace has closely followed for years. Molly’s mom and sister join Nancy in this “Crime Stories” episode to revisit the evidence and discuss renewed efforts to find justice for the lifeguard teen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
June twenty seven, two thousand. Every time June twenty seven
rolls around, I think about Molly Bish. Why what happened
to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly Bish.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It's been twenty five years since teen lifeguard Molly Bish
disappeared just minutes after her mother dropped her off at
Commons Pond for work. Molly's remains were found three years later.
Twenty six of her two hundred and six bones were
found five miles away from this swimming area, but her
murder remains unsolved. Rodney Stanger, a Southbridge man who was
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convicted of murdering his girlfriend, was once a potential suspect,
but more recently Da Joe Early said another man, Frank Sumner,
ex offender who died in twenty sixteen, is a person
of interest.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let's just revisit what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Joining me right now is a special guest, Maggie Bish
and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. It was Molly's eighth
day at a brand new job as a lifeguard. She
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was just sixteen. It was a hot summer day. Do
you remember that day, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh, how I do again. We had just gotten out
of school. I'm a school teacher and had cleaned your
room and I had I actually was a special led teacher,
and I had some ip some work to complete, and
so we were all kind of buzzing a little bit.
You know. Molly had a new job. My son had
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just trained her, and I had taken her to work
the day before, and it was kind of a little unsettling.
We had seen a car that day parked in a
parking lot and there was only one white vehicle, and
Molly got out and she was very excited and said, hye, Mom,
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I love you, see you later, you know, when she
had to get some supplies ready and go down to
the beach. It was the first week of the swimming
lessons for the town kids. So we live in a
very small community, only four thousand folks. One traffic light,
a beautiful town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went
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off and I see this vehicle on this man and
he ends up kind of staring at me, and I
get kind of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave
Molly here. What is this guy doing here? So I
head to the beach and meet her and we sit
and it is a very lovely little place and it's
kind of again it's down a main street, but it's
also kind of isolated. And we sit, we talk and
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I really we haven't talked a whole lot about danger,
but we talked about you know, I said, I noticed
there's more men around maybe and she says, oh, it's
just fisherman mom, not concerned at all. I talk about
how nice the beach is, and then I said, I
got to get back and do my reports. So I
go to the car and this individual is still there.
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I am so kind of awestruck, like what is he doing.
He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's nothing to view,
it's goods. And I get into my car and I'm looking.
I had not even taken my purse before, so when
I go in, I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior
to that, I'm walking and he stares at me. And
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I have to tell you, it's like a mother bear.
You just want to protect your child. You just say,
what are you doing here? Go to work. It's ten
o'clock in the morning. And that just got me nerved.
So when I went to the car to get my purse.
He pulled out so fast that I didn't even think.
I just got relieved. It was one of those immediate
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gut feelings. I just was uncomfortable, and that white car
still to this day, we've never found We never found
the individual who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved.
And anyway, the next day happened. Took Molly to work
the same talked to her that night about being safe,
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even offered her a little cubaton stick, which my husband
had as a provation officer. She said, Mom, I don't
need it. It's just fishermen. Don't worry. And that next morning,
after I drove over to work, there wasn't a single
car in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I
love you. Our routine kind of farewell, and that was
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the last time I ever heard my Molly. And I
would have never, ever in my wildest dreams or sadness,
has imagined that three hours later I would get a
phone call from the Assistant Chief of police that Molly
had not been at the pond all morning. Her things
were left on the beach, an open first aid kit,
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the police radio, her shoes, and her backpack, all remained
on the beach, and nobody knew where she was at
that point. It just was an unusual event for us.
Molly was very conscientious, very kind of nervous. It's a
new job. They told me she probably went with friends.
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It didn't make sense. She left her shoes, she left
her backpack, but she left the job at ten o'clock
when she just was starting. It just didn't make sense
at all. So I called my daughter, Heather, and Heather
said she would meet me at the beach, and I
immediately got in my car went to the beach and
I went I'm still in belief, and I'm calling her
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and screaming her name. On the beach, Molly, Molly, and
people were coming. There was no Molly, and people had
said that she hadn't been there. There had been no
lifeguard all day. And I knew I dropped her off.
I've seen her things, so I was very very frightened.
For me. The first gut reaction was something that is
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really wrong here. I started to go toward the police station.
There comes Heather with our new little granddaughter, and we'd
go into the police station and I say, something's very wrong.
I need this chief. The assistant chief because he called
me and my husband, and because he was a probation
in the local area at the local court, I said
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call him. That's how upset I was already. I knew
in my heart that this was not how Molly operated.
And they told us to go in a little room.
It was two young officers and they figured out that, oh,
she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. And that's
when Heather.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And I, well, they told you to go in the room,
and I took off looking for MOLLI friends. Well then
so I went from there.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And then I went also to look for her other
friend in the next town that was a good friend,
and she was accounted for, and then I got my
son returned to we returned to the beach, and when
we got to the beach, we were aghast. I mean,
people in a small town heard Molly was not at
the beach. It was on the scanners and there were
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people starting to come. And Molly's friend's father was the
head of the fire department, and nobody, I think this
was the hard partnerancy. Nobody knew. Everybody felt something, but
they didn't know what to do. And I really didn't
see the priests. As I got there, it was the
fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming,
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and that was very frightful. They had those special dogs
to determine if there was a body. I mean, it
was like you are now really in a surreal, unbelievable
place that you've never been, and it's heartbreaking because you
don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where she is,
and you're just watching this show progress and it was
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scary and sad and you worry what she's thinking. You
don't know what. Now that you have children, I know
you can imagine how hard what would your child do?
And you know each child has their own personality. Molly
was funny and silly, but she was also very shy
and if someone would hurt her, but she would also
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trust somebody because she was a good kid and she
had no reason not to. You know, if they dressed
like a police officer, or they dressed in some you know,
authoritative she would go. And that's how I know that
we looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we
had everybody that she was a friends with accounted for.
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And that was really a beginning of our horrible nightmare.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Everyone with me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Maggie Bish, this is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing
one warm June morning two thousand to search still on
for Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I
can't help it. It takes me straight back to when
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my fiancee was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I
felt like a wild animal. This is the only way
I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal that.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Couldn't form words.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I wanted to break the window with my bare hands,
and just how I didn't even know words to say.
And I'm thinking. I remember one night, right before I
was supposed to go on the air, my longtime makeup artist,
Shazon was with me and she got a call and
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she had her hands in my hair at the moment
and put it on the speaker and her son was missing,
Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. And I mean,
I've covered all these cases. I know what to do,
I know who to call, but when it happens to you,
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it's a whole whole another can of worms in her story.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
He was found, Oh thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I'm just thinking about you at that pond and
they're looking in the water and you see the first
aid kid and you see her shoes, and everything's there.
Everything's right, everything is present. But Mollie, when did you
find out what happened to Molly?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It took three long years before we knew anything, and
they were hard, and it was really tough for our
whole family, and family suffer. You know where we used
to have fragile fridays. If we made it another week,
you know, how are we doing? Checking in with each other?
It was tough. We didn't have small children my children.
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My son was just in this rist year of college
and Heather was just had their first child. So we
were a little older, which in some ways is easier,
but it's still very difficult because every age has its
own difficult acceptance.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're so right about that, And there are so many
phases you go through one.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
When you suffer a loss. My father passed.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Away and I'm still a mess. He and I were,
I guess soulmates were just. I mean, I love my mother,
I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked to her
more I guess than I did my dad. But he
and I were just two peas in a pod and
you go through.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It hurts me too.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Much to remember what I went through when Keith was murdered.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But the thing that that phases you go through when
you lose somebody. But I guess I don't know what
I'll have to ask you because I knew almost immediately
who murdered Keith and what had happened to him.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
But it was two thousand and three, almost to the day.
It was June nine, two thousand and three before you
knew what had happened.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well, you know it is. Oh, I can tell you,
it's awful. My We actually we had did the Missing
Children's Day May at the end of May, and we
had come home and John had gotten a call, my husband,
and he said, we have to get home. And usually
I'm saying thank you to all the people. We have
two bustles of people that we take with us to Boston,
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and so I'm very grateful. We put flowers we could
forget me not you don't go out there. We do
a big, beautiful program. So we were coming home with
all this stuff and John is saying, get home, We're going,
We're going, and he was pushing me. I was getting
a little agitated. But what happened is one of the
news reporters came to our house and they had the
pictures because somebody did not believe. Well, how it went
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is there was a hunter that had spotted something that
he wasn't familiar with, but he mentioned it to this
person who used to be a police officer, and so
they went and they were kind of on their own
doing this. And then I guess this police officer didn't
believe that the you know, he was afraid the police
would take credit for his fine, I guess, and so
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he wanted someone to take pictures. He called them the press,
and the press did it, and so guess what they do.
They show it to us before the police even called
us and told us anything. So I'm in my driveway
and you know how in the press car like the vands,
they have all the TVs. Oh no, there's Molly's. Yeah,
this is how Molly's. I seen her bathing suit in
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the rust in the leaves, the old leaves, and John
didn't remember, you know, my husband. You know, it's so funny.
I actually went out with her to buy this special
bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones. The
recreational person who was going to order them, so I
knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one,
but it was a special one, and I knew right
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then and there my knees almost crumbled and I ran
up the stairs and to our home. And I mean
there was three days that I could say. And when
you were talking earlier, you do, it's like a primal cry.
It's from the depths of your soul. I knew, and
I didn't want it, you know, you want to find Molly.
But it wasn't the way we had hoped, you know,
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and my I mean I cried, and it just that
was one of the worst I have to say days.
And I hollowed and every piece of meat was spent.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And say, you know that you say it was a
special swimsuit. That and the moment you saw you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Knew what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What was it that you knew beyond a doubt that
was Molly's swimsuit?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, I really I don't know to analyze it. I
think it's just that I was the mother. I picked
it out. It was the color, and I think there
was a little bit she was going to the training
for the lifeguards and she needed a certain kind of
you know, a tank suit type, so I knew that material,
and it was blue, but it had some you know,
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it had to be a little bit cool, so it
had some mixed colorings in the middle of different things.
And I've seen it. I knew, I just knew. And
you know, again, they had to send the police in,
they had to send the search party, and they had
and I mean that began a really another whole experience
because the first day they came home with one bone,
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you know, yeah, it was a shitten bone, but it
could possibly be someone in Molly's age range. The next
day they had rib bones, and then by the third
day they had her skull. I mean what mother sees.
You know. We actually did say goodbye to Molly and
kissed her good bye, but we only had twenty four
bones that were found. But because of that, we were
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able to get our dental records, you know, so that's
they had to certainly make sure it was Molly's and
I think that was the only way we were able
to They were able to fake the police, but I knew,
you know, and it was just.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Confirmed crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly bish
Heather bish Is Molly's sister. Heather, what do you recall
of this time.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I think, you know, I again, it was still
that it couldn't be possible that Molly was abducted at
you know, I thought that in the beginning that it
had to be a mistake, and you know, sort of
the same thing, that this could't be right. There's there's
got to be an explanation for this. And then as
the moments and time kept passing and Molly didn't pop
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out of anywhere, you know, that's when we realized her
her peril. She was in a great day feel of peril.
So you know, we became increasingly anxious. I think when
even when we found a dating suit for me, you know,
I think it just kind of just hold on to hope,
like I don't know, maybe they maybe he stripped her
and threw the bathing suit in the woods or or something.
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We just want, I want to believe something as terrible
as as her loss isn't isn't going to be what
what the final end of the story is. And for me,
I can remember the day that the state police actually
came up to the house on June ninth, when when
they did find this go because people were coming over
to my mom's house every day. And I had been
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living in Western mass at the time and driving out
every morning with my three year old, and it was
about a forty five minute drive, and for a three
year old that has to go potty all the time,
that's like two potty stuff. You know, never never an easy,
easy trip. But we were doing that daily to ensure
that we were we were all together. And I remember
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we had just gotten there on June ninth, and there
are people in the driveway and my mam was talking
and in the distance I could see the Districk attorney
and the head of our investigation walking up the driveway
and they were wearing suits, and it was, you know,
the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's
a real really hot day to be wearing a full
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suit like that. And then I I just I just knew.
I thought, I just knew, like, this is it, this
is this is the final they're going to tell us. Now.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You know what's interesting ever that you're saying. And I
paid to keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Many chords in me. You just when you saw those
guys in the suits you knew, and I'm just.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I really, I just I just really wanted to run away,
to be honest with you, I didn't even want to
hear what they were going to going to say. I
just thought if I could run, I would be able
to outrun the truth or the reality or you know.
It just felt like everything's going to change now, our
whole life everything. And I was sure, God, Heather, we'd
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ever feel safe again.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
That you your mind tries to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Get around it or bend with it, because I remember
I would wake up in the mornings and I would
think that Keith was still alive and this had been some.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Elaborate ruse, and I would dream.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I would dream and this is so I don't know
exactly what this means, because I never saw a shrink
about it.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Probably should.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I would dream that Keith wanted to get out of
the engagement, and so he had faked the whole thing,
because you know, this close.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
To us getting married, he had decided that. In my dream,
and I'd wake up and I go, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Thank god, he's alive, and it's just you know, and
then I'd wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I would want it. Oh, I would have dreams that
Molly was still alive, but she would be you know,
she would have gone off with her friends to Florida,
or she went on you know, she went on a
trip and she was just back and she was going
to see her old boyfriend, and I would be I
remember in the dreams feeling like, no, you can't go.
I desperately want to be with you and hang out
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with you. And generally that's not how twenty year olds
feel about their teenage sisters. So I've always sort of
thought about those dreams later now in life and thought, jeez,
you know, maybe Molly was trying to tell me in
some capacity that she was okay, you know, and it
was just me feeling this desperate feeling.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Does June twenty seventh, two thousand mean anything to you.
I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home,
we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived
at the pond.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The sand truck was there.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
We watched, mesmerized like little children, as the sand fell
gently to the ground.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Molly and Mom for the last time.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Mollie said goodbye, I love you, and man off it
was her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard.
That was the last time I saw or heard from
my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my
heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Her remains were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side
three years later.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The case remains unsolved.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
It's an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips and leads
on it. We're moving forward and going through the beginning
to now. We started talking to some of the original investigators,
just bring them in as a group, and we also
have a disc attorney assigned to the case. So they
came in and we just started going over there observations
that notes their feelings, you know, things like that Maggie
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Bush could never imagine a moment that she'd never see
her daughter Molly ever.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Again, Molly could be very shy and she could be
very silly. There was two sides of her in her
comfort zone. She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We were just getting our adult relationship when Molly disappeared,
So I often wonder what that would have been like
to have known. Horizon Adults.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
With me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother.
Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand, the
search still on for Molly's killer. And I'm trying to
imagine your v you know, you pull up and you
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at a distance see all these guys in suits and
your driveway, and.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I'm trying to imagine what Maggie that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What that was when press A van pulls up and
they run up. What do they have a picture of
her swimsuit?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Maggie, Well, you know what, I guess this, Like I said,
this person didn't believe it. So they had six TV's
going on. There were six TV's in that van, and
there was every vantage point that they could take the picture.
And I mean it truly was a small piece of
bathing suit that was peeking out from underneath twigs and
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old leaves, and it was just taking in different.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Views.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And I mean it didn't take me the second to
gather that information from you know, meno seconds and I
ran up the stairs because I knew. I closed my
door in my room and I began to howl. I
was on my knees and you know, John was down
there talking and I just like could this the I
mean because again we had just a missing Children's day
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for the folks in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It was a.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Beautiful day of great We were coming home feeling at
least we're doing something positive, and you know, we always
will miss Molly. That's to see. This was it was
too close to knowing that this was not good.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand to
search still on for Molly's killer. We are now hearing
rumblings that DNA de oxarivo y clay acid tests are
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stirring little seeds of hope. What do you know about
a potential DNA test you want to.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Talk out of?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, sure, I have been sort of headlining the investigative
efforts with for my family. But about a year ago
they took and every so often they'll take pieces of
evidence and submit them for DNA testing and they'll try
to compare it when they have a U. A few
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years ago they had a really quote unquote good person
of interest down in Florida and they you know, had
taken some DNA from there and submitted it and then
nothing was sort of a hit. So as so, I
guess our hope sort of lies in the science and
technology that you know, sort of helping investigators solve these
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older cases. And so they took twenty four pieces of
evidence to retest, and so they don't exactly tell us
what they took or where it came from, but we
know it was twenty four pieces of evidence, and they
resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they, like
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I said, that the technology increases in the touch DNA
becomes available, they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for particularly
these older cases, because they've had they've been able to,
you know, solve cases based on the dnaming.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
See the seeds of hope, aren't that DNA samples have.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Been taken and they're being re examined with new techniques
that were not possible at that time.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I mean that is a huge, big.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Deal because I recall trying rape cases, murder cases, you
name it, with no DNA.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know what I'd have.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'd have blood, a blood sample, and I could say, well,
the suspect is a positive and the perpetrator was a positive.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Or maybe a hair and I could.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Say the rapist or the killer is a Caucasian male.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
With X hair.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, that was it? Ei there was no.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a major
development that they are doing this. I want to ask
you about this deep ground sonar.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Test that's being done.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
What do we know about that?
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
You know, over the years, we've you know, because law
enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work on
their own and and you know, they don't necessarily report
to victim family if that can become very frustrating for
victim families. And because we, you know, felt very strongly
that we wanted this to be solved. We wanted our
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community to feel safe. We wanted our friends kids to
feel safe. You know, we've all grown up here where
you know, and some capacities, family to each other.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
What do you think they hope to find heather with
the ground penetrating radar and it's on a private property
in an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
In Worcester County?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
What could that mean?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What was that where the swimsuit was found mag in
Worcester County?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
No, No, it was where we received it. So I'm
just trying to put the backstory here. We some friends
in the area, a person who has a PhD in criminology,
and I sort of formed this sort of investigated team.
It kind of came off to our fundraisers and things
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like that. We developed this little team. This little team
developed these campaigns. So one year we did billboards, another
year we did ads. Each time we do one, we
do a tip campaign. And so we had a just
one Piece campaign because the state police had always said
we're one piece away from solving this crime. During our
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just one Piece campaign, we received a number of tips
on a particular person who stayed at this particular campground
in Worcester County. This next year, we had another campaign
and we called it just one Car because we were
trying to identify this light car. Was it tied to
this person? That was the location?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The location right question, So let me understand the location
is the campground where a potential suspect stayed.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And what do you think, Maggie, they are looking for
with the deep ground search.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Well, I understand that it has the potential to be
able to recognize metal or rock or anything, and especially
if there was something of some size. You know, bearing
got cars quite big, you know, how deep could they go?
So this radar has a way to analyze how the
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depths and how significant that you know, if it's metal
or something that you know, I guess that's what they do.
They do some kind of a computation and it termins.
So from what we understand, there were three places that
they felt some interest. Now you know, again they have
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to hand that information over to the state police, and
the state police have to, you know, decide if it's
worth digging or going into. Now again, it could be
it's like this whole story again. You always get hopeful,
but you have to kind of protect yourself from disappointment.
You've got to protect you know, you don't really you
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want it, but you're scared. The emotional battle within is
unbelievable because you've been doing this so long now that
you want it, but we don't get to choose any
of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So now it's true, Maggie that other girls similar in
age to Mollie also we're kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yes, we have a girl that was ten years old,
a little little bit younger in Sturbridge, which is a
twenty minute a distance from our home, and she was
taken before Mollie, maybe seven years. There had been some cases,
maybe even a little older, that were in northern Michigan
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and Massachusetts near the New York border, and there was
a gentleman that they thought was a serial killer up
there that might have been involved. I mean, you know,
it's so sad. I mean, you hear these horrible cases,
but you don't understand. I mean, certainly I wasn't one
that you know, really understood any of this. You know, now,
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I know all these families who have struggled and who
keeps struggling, you know, to find their loved ones on
how they deal with it, and it is very, very hard.
So you know, again there possibly could be serial killer
out there. And that's what worried us because this, to me, Nancy,
how does a normal person do something this horrific? And
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that is so It's like when you throw the rock
into the river and the ripples. It has caused so
much pain to Molly's friends, our family out into the community,
the fear that he's somewhere.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
If you have information on the abduction and murder of
Molly Bisch, contact the DA's office at five O eight
four five three seven five seven five one day.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
This case will be solved. Nancy Gray signing off, good
bye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
June twenty seven, two thousand. Every time June twenty seven
rolls around, I think about Molly Bish. Why what happened
to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly Bish.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It's been twenty five years since teen lifeguard Molly Bish
disappeared just minutes after her mother dropped her off at
Commons Pond for work. Molly's remains were found three years later.
Twenty six of her two hundred and six bones were
found five miles away from this swimming area, but her
murder remains unsolved. Rodney Stanger, a Southbridge man who was
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convicted of murdering his girlfriend, was once a potential suspect,
but more recently Da Joe Early said another man, Frank Sumner,
ex offender who died in twenty sixteen, is a person
of interest.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let's just revisit what happened.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Joining me right now is a special guest, Maggie Bish
and her daughter Heather. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. It was Molly's eighth
day at a brand new job as a lifeguard. She
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was just sixteen. It was a hot summer day. Do
you remember that day, Maggie.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh, how I do again. We had just gotten out
of school. I'm a school teacher and had cleaned your
room and I had I actually was a special led teacher,
and I had some ip some work to complete, and
so we were all kind of buzzing a little bit.
You know. Molly had a new job. My son had
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just trained her, and I had taken her to work
the day before, and it was kind of a little unsettling.
We had seen a car that day parked in a
parking lot and there was only one white vehicle, and
Molly got out and she was very excited and said, hye, Mom,
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I love you, see you later, you know, when she
had to get some supplies ready and go down to
the beach. It was the first week of the swimming
lessons for the town kids. So we live in a
very small community, only four thousand folks. One traffic light,
a beautiful town in the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went
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off and I see this vehicle on this man and
he ends up kind of staring at me, and I
get kind of unnerved, and I said, I can't leave
Molly here. What is this guy doing here? So I
head to the beach and meet her and we sit
and it is a very lovely little place and it's
kind of again it's down a main street, but it's
also kind of isolated. And we sit, we talk and
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I really we haven't talked a whole lot about danger,
but we talked about you know, I said, I noticed
there's more men around maybe and she says, oh, it's
just fisherman mom, not concerned at all. I talk about
how nice the beach is, and then I said, I
got to get back and do my reports. So I
go to the car and this individual is still there.
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I am so kind of awestruck, like what is he doing.
He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette. There's nothing to view,
it's goods. And I get into my car and I'm looking.
I had not even taken my purse before, so when
I go in, I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior
to that, I'm walking and he stares at me. And
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I have to tell you, it's like a mother bear.
You just want to protect your child. You just say,
what are you doing here? Go to work. It's ten
o'clock in the morning. And that just got me nerved.
So when I went to the car to get my purse.
He pulled out so fast that I didn't even think.
I just got relieved. It was one of those immediate
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gut feelings. I just was uncomfortable, and that white car
still to this day, we've never found We never found
the individual who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved.
And anyway, the next day happened. Took Molly to work
the same talked to her that night about being safe,
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even offered her a little cubaton stick, which my husband
had as a provation officer. She said, Mom, I don't
need it. It's just fishermen. Don't worry. And that next morning,
after I drove over to work, there wasn't a single
car in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I
love you. Our routine kind of farewell, and that was
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the last time I ever heard my Molly. And I
would have never, ever in my wildest dreams or sadness,
has imagined that three hours later I would get a
phone call from the Assistant Chief of police that Molly
had not been at the pond all morning. Her things
were left on the beach, an open first aid kit,
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the police radio, her shoes, and her backpack, all remained
on the beach, and nobody knew where she was at
that point. It just was an unusual event for us.
Molly was very conscientious, very kind of nervous. It's a
new job. They told me she probably went with friends.
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It didn't make sense. She left her shoes, she left
her backpack, but she left the job at ten o'clock
when she just was starting. It just didn't make sense
at all. So I called my daughter, Heather, and Heather
said she would meet me at the beach, and I
immediately got in my car went to the beach and
I went I'm still in belief, and I'm calling her
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and screaming her name. On the beach, Molly, Molly, and
people were coming. There was no Molly, and people had
said that she hadn't been there. There had been no
lifeguard all day. And I knew I dropped her off.
I've seen her things, so I was very very frightened.
For me. The first gut reaction was something that is
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really wrong here. I started to go toward the police station.
There comes Heather with our new little granddaughter, and we'd
go into the police station and I say, something's very wrong.
I need this chief. The assistant chief because he called
me and my husband, and because he was a probation
in the local area at the local court, I said
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call him. That's how upset I was already. I knew
in my heart that this was not how Molly operated.
And they told us to go in a little room.
It was two young officers and they figured out that, oh,
she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. And that's
when Heather.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
And I, well, they told you to go in the room,
and I took off looking for MOLLI friends. Well then
so I went from there.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
And then I went also to look for her other
friend in the next town that was a good friend,
and she was accounted for, and then I got my
son returned to we returned to the beach, and when
we got to the beach, we were aghast. I mean,
people in a small town heard Molly was not at
the beach. It was on the scanners and there were
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people starting to come. And Molly's friend's father was the
head of the fire department, and nobody, I think this
was the hard partnerancy. Nobody knew. Everybody felt something, but
they didn't know what to do. And I really didn't
see the priests. As I got there, it was the
fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming,
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and that was very frightful. They had those special dogs
to determine if there was a body. I mean, it
was like you are now really in a surreal, unbelievable
place that you've never been, and it's heartbreaking because you
don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where she is,
and you're just watching this show progress and it was
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scary and sad and you worry what she's thinking. You
don't know what. Now that you have children, I know
you can imagine how hard what would your child do?
And you know each child has their own personality. Molly
was funny and silly, but she was also very shy
and if someone would hurt her, but she would also
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trust somebody because she was a good kid and she
had no reason not to. You know, if they dressed
like a police officer, or they dressed in some you know,
authoritative she would go. And that's how I know that
we looked there was no nobody had Molly, and we
had everybody that she was a friends with accounted for.
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And that was really a beginning of our horrible nightmare.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Everyone with me.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Maggie Bish, this is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing
one warm June morning two thousand to search still on
for Molly's killer. And when I hear you talking, I
can't help it. It takes me straight back to when
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my fiancee was murdered. And there's that feeling you. I
felt like a wild animal. This is the only way
I can describe it. I felt like a wild animal that.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Couldn't form words.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I wanted to break the window with my bare hands,
and just how I didn't even know words to say.
And I'm thinking. I remember one night, right before I
was supposed to go on the air, my longtime makeup artist,
Shazon was with me and she got a call and
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she had her hands in my hair at the moment
and put it on the speaker and her son was missing,
Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. And I mean,
I've covered all these cases. I know what to do,
I know who to call, but when it happens to you,
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it's a whole whole another can of worms in her story.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
He was found, Oh thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I'm just thinking about you at that pond and
they're looking in the water and you see the first
aid kid and you see her shoes, and everything's there.
Everything's right, everything is present. But Mollie, when did you
find out what happened to Molly?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It took three long years before we knew anything, and
they were hard, and it was really tough for our
whole family, and family suffer. You know where we used
to have fragile fridays. If we made it another week,
you know, how are we doing? Checking in with each other?
It was tough. We didn't have small children my children.
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My son was just in this rist year of college
and Heather was just had their first child. So we
were a little older, which in some ways is easier,
but it's still very difficult because every age has its
own difficult acceptance.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're so right about that, And there are so many
phases you go through one.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
When you suffer a loss. My father passed.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Away and I'm still a mess. He and I were,
I guess soulmates were just. I mean, I love my mother,
I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked to her
more I guess than I did my dad. But he
and I were just two peas in a pod and
you go through.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It hurts me too.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Much to remember what I went through when Keith was murdered.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But the thing that that phases you go through when
you lose somebody. But I guess I don't know what
I'll have to ask you because I knew almost immediately
who murdered Keith and what had happened to him.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
But it was two thousand and three, almost to the day.
It was June nine, two thousand and three before you
knew what had happened.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well, you know it is. Oh, I can tell you,
it's awful. My We actually we had did the Missing
Children's Day May at the end of May, and we
had come home and John had gotten a call, my husband,
and he said, we have to get home. And usually
I'm saying thank you to all the people. We have
two bustles of people that we take with us to Boston,
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and so I'm very grateful. We put flowers we could
forget me not you don't go out there. We do
a big, beautiful program. So we were coming home with
all this stuff and John is saying, get home, We're going,
We're going, and he was pushing me. I was getting
a little agitated. But what happened is one of the
news reporters came to our house and they had the
pictures because somebody did not believe. Well, how it went
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is there was a hunter that had spotted something that
he wasn't familiar with, but he mentioned it to this
person who used to be a police officer, and so
they went and they were kind of on their own
doing this. And then I guess this police officer didn't
believe that the you know, he was afraid the police
would take credit for his fine, I guess, and so
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he wanted someone to take pictures. He called them the press,
and the press did it, and so guess what they do.
They show it to us before the police even called
us and told us anything. So I'm in my driveway
and you know how in the press car like the vands,
they have all the TVs. Oh no, there's Molly's. Yeah,
this is how Molly's. I seen her bathing suit in
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the rust in the leaves, the old leaves, and John
didn't remember, you know, my husband. You know, it's so funny.
I actually went out with her to buy this special
bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones. The
recreational person who was going to order them, so I
knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one,
but it was a special one, and I knew right
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then and there my knees almost crumbled and I ran
up the stairs and to our home. And I mean
there was three days that I could say. And when
you were talking earlier, you do, it's like a primal cry.
It's from the depths of your soul. I knew, and
I didn't want it, you know, you want to find Molly.
But it wasn't the way we had hoped, you know,
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and my I mean I cried, and it just that
was one of the worst I have to say days.
And I hollowed and every piece of meat was spent.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And say, you know that you say it was a
special swimsuit. That and the moment you saw you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Knew what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What was it that you knew beyond a doubt that
was Molly's swimsuit?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, I really I don't know to analyze it. I
think it's just that I was the mother. I picked
it out. It was the color, and I think there
was a little bit she was going to the training
for the lifeguards and she needed a certain kind of
you know, a tank suit type, so I knew that material,
and it was blue, but it had some you know,
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it had to be a little bit cool, so it
had some mixed colorings in the middle of different things.
And I've seen it. I knew, I just knew. And
you know, again, they had to send the police in,
they had to send the search party, and they had
and I mean that began a really another whole experience
because the first day they came home with one bone,
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you know, yeah, it was a shitten bone, but it
could possibly be someone in Molly's age range. The next
day they had rib bones, and then by the third
day they had her skull. I mean what mother sees.
You know. We actually did say goodbye to Molly and
kissed her good bye, but we only had twenty four
bones that were found. But because of that, we were
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able to get our dental records, you know, so that's
they had to certainly make sure it was Molly's and
I think that was the only way we were able
to They were able to fake the police, but I knew,
you know, and it was just.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Confirmed crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
What happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl, Molly bish
Heather bish Is Molly's sister. Heather, what do you recall
of this time.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I think, you know, I again, it was still
that it couldn't be possible that Molly was abducted at
you know, I thought that in the beginning that it
had to be a mistake, and you know, sort of
the same thing, that this could't be right. There's there's
got to be an explanation for this. And then as
the moments and time kept passing and Molly didn't pop
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out of anywhere, you know, that's when we realized her
her peril. She was in a great day feel of peril.
So you know, we became increasingly anxious. I think when
even when we found a dating suit for me, you know,
I think it just kind of just hold on to hope,
like I don't know, maybe they maybe he stripped her
and threw the bathing suit in the woods or or something.
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We just want, I want to believe something as terrible
as as her loss isn't isn't going to be what
what the final end of the story is. And for me,
I can remember the day that the state police actually
came up to the house on June ninth, when when
they did find this go because people were coming over
to my mom's house every day. And I had been
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living in Western mass at the time and driving out
every morning with my three year old, and it was
about a forty five minute drive, and for a three
year old that has to go potty all the time,
that's like two potty stuff. You know, never never an easy,
easy trip. But we were doing that daily to ensure
that we were we were all together. And I remember
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we had just gotten there on June ninth, and there
are people in the driveway and my mam was talking
and in the distance I could see the Districk attorney
and the head of our investigation walking up the driveway
and they were wearing suits, and it was, you know,
the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jeez, it's
a real really hot day to be wearing a full
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suit like that. And then I I just I just knew.
I thought, I just knew, like, this is it, this
is this is the final they're going to tell us. Now.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You know what's interesting ever that you're saying. And I
paid to keep projecting, but what you're saying is striking so.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Many chords in me. You just when you saw those
guys in the suits you knew, and I'm just.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I really, I just I just really wanted to run away,
to be honest with you, I didn't even want to
hear what they were going to going to say. I
just thought if I could run, I would be able
to outrun the truth or the reality or you know.
It just felt like everything's going to change now, our
whole life everything. And I was sure, God, Heather, we'd
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ever feel safe again.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
That you your mind tries to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Get around it or bend with it, because I remember
I would wake up in the mornings and I would
think that Keith was still alive and this had been some.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Elaborate ruse, and I would dream.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I would dream and this is so I don't know
exactly what this means, because I never saw a shrink
about it.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Probably should.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I would dream that Keith wanted to get out of
the engagement, and so he had faked the whole thing,
because you know, this close.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
To us getting married, he had decided that. In my dream,
and I'd wake up and I go, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Thank god, he's alive, and it's just you know, and
then I'd wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I would want it. Oh, I would have dreams that
Molly was still alive, but she would be you know,
she would have gone off with her friends to Florida,
or she went on you know, she went on a
trip and she was just back and she was going
to see her old boyfriend, and I would be I
remember in the dreams feeling like, no, you can't go.
I desperately want to be with you and hang out
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with you. And generally that's not how twenty year olds
feel about their teenage sisters. So I've always sort of
thought about those dreams later now in life and thought, jeez,
you know, maybe Molly was trying to tell me in
some capacity that she was okay, you know, and it
was just me feeling this desperate feeling.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Listen to this to the man who took Molly dish.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Does June twenty seventh, two thousand mean anything to you.
I remember it as a warm summer day. We left home,
we picked up the police radio, and then we arrived
at the pond.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The sand truck was there.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
We watched, mesmerized like little children, as the sand fell
gently to the ground.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Molly and Mom for the last time.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Mollie said goodbye, I love you, and man off it
was her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard.
That was the last time I saw or heard from
my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my
heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Her remains were found on a central Massachusetts mountain side
three years later.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The case remains unsolved.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
It's an open investigation. We're constantly getting tips and leads
on it. We're moving forward and going through the beginning
to now. We started talking to some of the original investigators,
just bring them in as a group, and we also
have a disc attorney assigned to the case. So they
came in and we just started going over there observations
that notes their feelings, you know, things like that Maggie
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Bush could never imagine a moment that she'd never see
her daughter Molly ever.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Again, Molly could be very shy and she could be
very silly. There was two sides of her in her
comfort zone. She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We were just getting our adult relationship when Molly disappeared,
So I often wonder what that would have been like
to have known. Horizon Adults.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
With me is Maggie Bish. This is Molly Bish's mother.
Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand, the
search still on for Molly's killer. And I'm trying to
imagine your v you know, you pull up and you
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at a distance see all these guys in suits and
your driveway, and.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I'm trying to imagine what Maggie that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What that was when press A van pulls up and
they run up. What do they have a picture of
her swimsuit?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Maggie, Well, you know what, I guess this, Like I said,
this person didn't believe it. So they had six TV's
going on. There were six TV's in that van, and
there was every vantage point that they could take the picture.
And I mean it truly was a small piece of
bathing suit that was peeking out from underneath twigs and
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old leaves, and it was just taking in different.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Views.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And I mean it didn't take me the second to
gather that information from you know, meno seconds and I
ran up the stairs because I knew. I closed my
door in my room and I began to howl. I
was on my knees and you know, John was down
there talking and I just like could this the I
mean because again we had just a missing Children's day
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for the folks in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It was a.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Beautiful day of great We were coming home feeling at
least we're doing something positive, and you know, we always
will miss Molly. That's to see. This was it was
too close to knowing that this was not good.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Molly goes missing one warm June morning, two thousand to
search still on for Molly's killer. We are now hearing
rumblings that DNA de oxarivo y clay acid tests are
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stirring little seeds of hope. What do you know about
a potential DNA test you want to.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Talk out of?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, sure, I have been sort of headlining the investigative
efforts with for my family. But about a year ago
they took and every so often they'll take pieces of
evidence and submit them for DNA testing and they'll try
to compare it when they have a U. A few
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years ago they had a really quote unquote good person
of interest down in Florida and they you know, had
taken some DNA from there and submitted it and then
nothing was sort of a hit. So as so, I
guess our hope sort of lies in the science and
technology that you know, sort of helping investigators solve these
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older cases. And so they took twenty four pieces of
evidence to retest, and so they don't exactly tell us
what they took or where it came from, but we
know it was twenty four pieces of evidence, and they
resubmitted them for further testing. You know, as they, like
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I said, that the technology increases in the touch DNA
becomes available, they will continuously keep keep resubmitting for particularly
these older cases, because they've had they've been able to,
you know, solve cases based on the dnaming.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
See the seeds of hope, aren't that DNA samples have.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Been taken and they're being re examined with new techniques
that were not possible at that time.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I mean that is a huge, big.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Deal because I recall trying rape cases, murder cases, you
name it, with no DNA.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know what I'd have.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'd have blood, a blood sample, and I could say, well,
the suspect is a positive and the perpetrator was a positive.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Or maybe a hair and I could.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Say the rapist or the killer is a Caucasian male.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
With X hair.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, that was it? Ei there was no.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a major
development that they are doing this. I want to ask
you about this deep ground sonar.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Test that's being done.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
What do we know about that?
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Yeah, so we.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
You know, over the years, we've you know, because law
enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work on
their own and and you know, they don't necessarily report
to victim family if that can become very frustrating for
victim families. And because we, you know, felt very strongly
that we wanted this to be solved. We wanted our
(28:32):
community to feel safe. We wanted our friends kids to
feel safe. You know, we've all grown up here where
you know, and some capacities, family to each other.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
What do you think they hope to find heather with
the ground penetrating radar and it's on a private property
in an undisclosed location.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
In Worcester County?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
What could that mean?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What was that where the swimsuit was found mag in
Worcester County?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
No, No, it was where we received it. So I'm
just trying to put the backstory here. We some friends
in the area, a person who has a PhD in criminology,
and I sort of formed this sort of investigated team.
It kind of came off to our fundraisers and things
(29:23):
like that. We developed this little team. This little team
developed these campaigns. So one year we did billboards, another
year we did ads. Each time we do one, we
do a tip campaign. And so we had a just
one Piece campaign because the state police had always said
we're one piece away from solving this crime. During our
(29:44):
just one Piece campaign, we received a number of tips
on a particular person who stayed at this particular campground
in Worcester County. This next year, we had another campaign
and we called it just one Car because we were
trying to identify this light car. Was it tied to
this person? That was the location?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The location right question, So let me understand the location
is the campground where a potential suspect stayed.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And what do you think, Maggie, they are looking for
with the deep ground search.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Well, I understand that it has the potential to be
able to recognize metal or rock or anything, and especially
if there was something of some size. You know, bearing
got cars quite big, you know, how deep could they go?
So this radar has a way to analyze how the
(30:47):
depths and how significant that you know, if it's metal
or something that you know, I guess that's what they do.
They do some kind of a computation and it termins.
So from what we understand, there were three places that
they felt some interest. Now you know, again they have
(31:10):
to hand that information over to the state police, and
the state police have to, you know, decide if it's
worth digging or going into. Now again, it could be
it's like this whole story again. You always get hopeful,
but you have to kind of protect yourself from disappointment.
You've got to protect you know, you don't really you
(31:30):
want it, but you're scared. The emotional battle within is
unbelievable because you've been doing this so long now that
you want it, but we don't get to choose any
of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So now it's true, Maggie that other girls similar in
age to Mollie also we're kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yes, we have a girl that was ten years old,
a little little bit younger in Sturbridge, which is a
twenty minute a distance from our home, and she was
taken before Mollie, maybe seven years. There had been some cases,
maybe even a little older, that were in northern Michigan
(32:17):
and Massachusetts near the New York border, and there was
a gentleman that they thought was a serial killer up
there that might have been involved. I mean, you know,
it's so sad. I mean, you hear these horrible cases,
but you don't understand. I mean, certainly I wasn't one
that you know, really understood any of this. You know, now,
(32:41):
I know all these families who have struggled and who
keeps struggling, you know, to find their loved ones on
how they deal with it, and it is very, very hard.
So you know, again there possibly could be serial killer
out there. And that's what worried us because this, to me, Nancy,
how does a normal person do something this horrific? And
(33:05):
that is so It's like when you throw the rock
into the river and the ripples. It has caused so
much pain to Molly's friends, our family out into the community,
the fear that he's somewhere.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
If you have information on the abduction and murder of
Molly Bisch, contact the DA's office at five O eight
four five three seven five seven five one day.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
This case will be solved. Nancy Gray signing off, good
bye friend,
Host
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