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from the past month. We're all over it, okay. So
and also your stories. This this is what makes this
show very unique. I am somebody who has dealt with
a lot of different things and a lot of different
books on a lot of different topics, and um, I

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welcome you to send your stories along. I mean, honestly,
it is so important that we hear what our neighbors are,
brothers and sisters and strangers are dealing with in the
privacy of their homes. Only when it comes to the paranormal, okay, supernatural,
spiritual warfare, I mean near death experiences, we're going there.

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We're going there. So go to shadow Folks dot com
or Heidi Hollis dot com. They go to the same site.
People just misspell my name so much, so I just
simplified it. And uh, tell me your stories, give as
much details as you'd like, because we really appreciate details.
And if you don't have questions and you just want
to share your research, your thoughts, your experiences, I mean

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that's very important as well. I mean, how else are
we going to know what's on people's minds? Truly? So uh,
include drawings, send photos, videos, tell me the links or
just send it over to Heidi Hollis at gmail dot
com and uh I will get those as well. Um,

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you know what today is going to be a very
fascinating show. We have Daniel Duke coming on the program.
And wow, wow, wow, wow Daniel Duke? Who is he?
He is the great great grandchild of Jesse James. You
think you know the story of Jesse James. You haveing

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a clue? Not a clue? All right, That's all I
can tell you, Um until after the break when I
read off what he's going to be discussing. Um. But yeah,
so we're going into nights Teppler and all that good stuff. Yeah,
very very strange stuff. Um. But before we get into that,
I wanted to get to what are your emails? Because

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those are always welcome and always coming. And um, is
this one here? All right? Uh? This is supposed to
be the outlandish corner. I keep messing with names used
to be the outlange corner on other versions of my
shows that I've done over the years, and I guess
kind of sticking. But then I just goofed with it

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and say it's not um digging into the bag of
emails to see what you guys are experiencing out there.
I have questions about or whatever. Alright, this one says,
dear Heidi, that's me. Um. I first seen shadow people
in in my dreams, and I was seeing them more

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in the past two years. I woke up to sleep
paralysis where I absolutely could not move my body. My
body was in another state. M okay, I get attacked
by shadow people. Tall dark figures of the shadow people,

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the ones that have red eyes with white eyes, just
dark beings, shadow people. I also see witches and warlocks
astralink projecting with the shadow people attacking me. Hm, that's
all they put I'm not kidding. Um, this name is

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mavro interesting. Okay, Um, that's sad. I'm sorry that you're
experiencing that. I'm sorry that this is something you're having
to deal with on such a large scale. Um. Whenever
I hear somebody is experiencing things to the level where
there's more than one thing going on around them, I

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could see why they're being targeted because they're able to
see and experienced things that most people have no clue about.
So these dark things can see that you might have
a little bit of an extra glow, a little bit
more pep in your step in the direction that they
don't care for, because that means you can see them.

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You could prepare for them, You could prepare others for
them to do battle, not to go and attack them,
but to defend yourself to not let them move in
your direction. Um, what's interesting. You're mentioning witches and warlocks
astro projecting. This is why I asked people to give details. Okay,
like what what did it look like to say it

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was a witch? Who? I mean, what are we talking
about that they have a broom? You know, I'm just kidding, um,
But I mean people have different ideas, different cultures about
what a witch is. All right, a bruja or something
that's in Spanish. But I have known many a witches

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and uh, some of them practice the dark stuff, some
of them don't. And they will all tell you that, uh,
they're not evil people, they are just different. And when
I think of witchcraft in general, warlocks are the male
version of which is it's like a power or play.

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And some of them will say, oh, no, I'm just
worshiping nature and recognizing the elementals and whatnot. I understand,
but you're still kind of pulling in power and and
sending energy in one direction over another. Um, why can't
we just say we're powerful people? Why can't we just

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call it something else? But these are ritualistic things that
are pulling the power in so um and then they
point it so it's a direction and flow right. And uh,
some of the symbolic things that go with it are
not so positive. That's understood. I know. I don't want
anybody taking my hair, uh without me knowing it, out

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of my brush or something. So they could do a
spell to encourage one reality over another. That's not good.
That's not good. Um. And I've known many of people
who do that, and I when I hear it, I'm like, oh,
you know, And they're like, well, you don't understand it.
That's why you're fear you're fearful of it. No, I

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feel bad for you. I do. I feel bad for
people that feel they need to do that because we're
powerful without that, uh you know. So I think there's
just different ways that we can put our energy. But again,
I'd have a lot of friends that are really positive
in these different arenas, and uh, they feel they're very positive,

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you know, good natured people, but um, things can still
kind of bump and and and make you feel that
it's not always fluffy and positive. Okay, um, I don't
know how better to put that. Um. And you're talking
about astro projecting along with you. Now, these shadow things,

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if somebody's pulling in power into them, I mean yeah,
they can definitely see that, you know, the one that
is doing that type of thing, and they would be
attracted to somebody that wanted power and are aiming to
direct other people's free will uh uh huh or their
life journeys. Yeah. Um, so I wouldn't be surprised to

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see shadow people hanging out with those who are astro
projecting like that. Um. And then you know, there's all
sorts of movies out there that are talking about what
happens when we leave our bodies right, and there's a
lot of different ideas because hold on people who right
right movies and pull from reality and uh yeah. So

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it's it's fascinating, you know, this this topic, even though
it's kind of a little bit separate, you know, talking
about astro projecting and whatnot. I was talking to somebody
recently about how um thin the veil is hear that right. Oh,
the veil is so thin, you know. And and and

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I hear people who these near death experiences and they're like,
you know, I couldn't breathe, and all of a sudden, pop,
I'm outside of my body. And I'm like, huh. And
I'm just like fully in the know of why was
in that body. I'm fully aware. I see my parents,
I see past loved ones, you know, and it's like

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it's so thin, like how easy. And it's they're like
right here with us, all these people that have passed,
well all if that's the case, and what are what
are they seeing? What are they thinking of us trotting along,
tripping along? Sometimes? You know, what are they thinking? I

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just I wonder. But you know, something that I experienced
once was it's weirdest. It's almost like a lean into
this veil, all right. And I leaned forward as I'm
talking about it, even because I I felt like my
forehead might have poked ever so slightly past this veil

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of another understanding another reality. And I was able to
look onto space while I was walking and talking mind you,
talking to a friend, and uh, and be able to
see literally the center of the universe is what it
looked like. And I saw the spinning sun, and I've

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spoke about that before, but I remembered my whole reason
for being here. And and the thing is, I remember, uh,
you know, when I popped back and I'm still standing
talking to my friend, and I wasn't talking physically. Then
I had left looking at this scene and my recalling

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this other place. And when I popped back, I did
this like little pinching motion towards my forehead. I said,
it was as if it was right in front of
my forehead all the whole time. They let me have
it just for a minute, to remind me about what
I came here, for just a minute, and I say,
they like, who's they? You know, just just wild. So

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this veil is so thin, and people have such an
understanding sin as they step out of this body or
out of this reality, that wakes them up to this
other place and and why we're here. But while while
we hear some horrible things that go on, this physical
place seems so worth every little bit of guts and
glory and sacrificing and some people offering up their souls

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to evil things. I mean, there's a lot of memories
that we have on the other side that we have
to pull with us over this way where we should
know better. It's like, you know, your parents raise you
to know better, and when you go and do bad things,
they think they failed as a parent. Well, how do
you think God feels. So let's just hope that this
thin veil and us being lost and not for calling

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our past, that we do no better and we could
prove that. All right, guys, we have a really fascinating
show coming up. I hope you stick around after the break.
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a
m para normal podcast network. We'll be right back. Welcome back.

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I love interacting with the people that reach out and
tell me some of the subjects they like me to
cover and some of the topics that they've experienced personally.
I really really love connecting. And uh, I also want

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to remind you go to Heidi House dot com and
shadow Folks dot com and tell me your stories there.
All right, you guys, I'm gonna get to our guest.
Who is Daniel Duke, who is the great great grandchild
of Jesse James. He grew up surrounded by stories of
lost outlaw treasures, and for more than two decades he

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has been researching the mysteries involving his connection with family, freemasonry,
the Nights Templar, and the secrets of the Wild Wild West.
So I would like to welcome Daniel Duke to the program.

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How are you doing over there, Daniel, I'm doing great.
Thanks and thanks for having me on the show. Yeah,
the fabulous history and my goodness, what I can't imagine
having such a blood relation to somebody in the family
that was, Uh, it's just notorious. I mean in American history.

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I mean, everybody knows the name Jesse James. I mean,
what does that feel like to know that you've got
that connection like that. I grew up hearing that story,
so it was kind of just I guess the normal. Um,
it was normal for me. But when it's the things
that he was connected to is what blew my mind. Yeah.

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So honestly, so that is the whole story that we're
digging into here today. Because Jesse James Okay, the gun slinger,
who would have thought that he had ties with the Freemasons?
How did that happen? Yeah, that's a that's that's a
great question. Um. When when we first start, you know,

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growing up, I heard the story, my mother heard the story,
my grandfather heard the same story. Um. Everybody always passed
it down that Jesse effect his death, he didn't die
like history said. And and he lived to the age
of ninety seven and died in Texas and you know
a ripe old age in nineteen three is when he died. Um.
And we just took that as you know, that that

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was normal for us. But my late mother decided to
dig into that and find out which was which story
was true, the family story or traditional history. And over
the years she had proved that traditional history was wrong
on the way he died. Um. And you know, we
we were excited about that, and that's that's what started

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her books. And then when she died, my sister and
I vowed to continue the story. Um. And that's when
I went ahead and I was never going to post
a story about the treasures, and after my my mother
had passed away, I decided to go ahead and write
that book and get that out there. Um. And it
was several reasons why I chose to do that, but

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mostly because she passed away and I just wanted the
whole story out. But we decided, you know, we wanted
to find out who was who was telling the truth
the family or the history books, and we it was
interesting to see the reaction when we came out with
the truth. Uh. Some people loved it and some people
who were tied in with the the James family farm

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in Missouri weren't happy to hear it at all, which
shocked us. That was actually the biggest shock we had.
So what was their reaction, What was the problem They
didn't want to hear it at all? They wanted they Um,
I think what happened. There's the the farm that he
grew up in Carney, Missouri, and then up the road

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about thirty minutes away thirty probably thirty to forty miles
north of Carney is St. Joseph, Missouri and the house
that they have a house in St. Joseph, Missouri where
Jesse was allegedly assassinated, and they bring in they brought
in millions of dollars a year and tourism money. And

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I think that's what tyde that that was the main Um.
I guess the trigger that set them off. They didn't
want to hear it, they didn't want to talk about it,
and that was that. Uh. So they ended up getting
an exhimation in the exhumed the alleged grave of Jesse,
and everything about their exhimation, in the way they performed

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it was proven to be false. Uh. The hair they
tested didn't come from Jesse's head. It came from another
man's head. Uh. The lawyer who was over that, uh
he was there was a guy at the time. It
was at Clay County Parks Director and the Clay County
Commissioner and the parks parks director and the commissioner were

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good friends. They they held the possession of the hair
and a tooth that was tested because they when they
exhumed the grave, they couldn't get DNA samples out of
the grave. In fact, there was multiple bodies in that grave,
as a woman, a woman's bones, and male bones, so
they couldn't figure out which bones to test. None of

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those bones produced any good AT or good DNA or
DNA they were looking for, so they they petitioned the
court to get the hair and the tooth that the
the attorney, the Clay County Parks director held, and that
tooth didn't. He said, he hated the way the exclamation

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was being held. It was a tall, dry side show,
and he didn't he didn't agree with any part of it.
So he pulled the hair out of his friend's head
and submitted that as And his friend's name was John Hartman.
He was parks director. It was he had. He worked
for the Clay County Parks Department. Um he pulled a

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hair out of his head and submitted that, and they
tested it, and they even built documentaries based on that
false air or the false sample, and they claimed that
they had proven Jesse died as history said. And when
we dug into it, we found out all those secrets
like that and others and just no pun intended. But
my late mother blew their story full of holes. Sounds

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like it, my goodness, and you're carrying on the tradition
you're and your sister. So for people that don't know,
how would you summarize you're a great great grandfather Jesse James,
Like what made him stand out in American history? What
made him stand out here? You know, some people called
him a bad man. He was a robber. He robbed uh, stages,

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banks and trains, and you know that's not typically considered
as good hood. But he was also said to have
helped the poor people. Uh, kind of like a modern
day Robin Hood, and a lot of people in the
day called them America's Robin Hood, and that there was
a one journalist in particular, John Newman Edwards who wrote

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who he was basically pr for Jesse and his his
entire gang. He wrote sad stories on how poorly they
were treated during and after the war, after the Civil War,
and he just he wrote great stories in favor of
the James Gang. And that that's that led to his

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his uh, I guess, his his reputation for standing up
for the model the common man. Nice see, you know,
And as you're talking, I'm just like envisioning this this uh,
you know, guy at a on the cowboy hat riding
his horses around, you know, doing what was seen as
rotten things. But if he's helping out the coman man,

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I mean, hey, I think I'm sure he drew a
crowd of support, But now, how did he get involved
with this whole so Freemasonry, he faked his death and
he joined them. It's like, what, you know, we just

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don't think about that. We just don't think about that possibility.
But look at the history of Freemasonry, and it goes
pretty far back, right, Yeah, it does, uh, you know,
And some Freemasons I've spoken to they seemed appalled to
think that an outlaw would have joined Freemasonry, and a
couple of other people have mentioned that to me. But
when you look at Freemason's history back to the Templar,

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they descend from the Night's Templar, and they claimed that um,
they the Templar themselves were outlaws in their day. For
centuries and and thirteen o seven, the Catholic Church in corps,
in cooperation with the King of France it was Philip
the Fair at the time, they raided the templar castles

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and strongholds, trying to get all their gold and silver
and that from that day forth, they've been considered outlaws
are they were by the Catholic Church and for centuries
by most of Europe, so who were controlled by the
Catholic Church. Um, it's kind of and a lot of
them turn to piracy. So you know, there's it's some

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people find it hard to believe, but if you look
at the historical aspect of it, that the Templar themselves
were outlaws, yeah, you know, and desperate people do desperate things,
and that's how we get so called criminal activity. You know,
they're with they're lacking something, so and they see you
driving by in your sports car and they're like, hey,
I want that, and I can you know, knock you

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off your tricycle and get it through, you know. So
it's like it's not a it's not a stretch of
the imagination. White people do these types of things. And
it's like what motivated Jesse James to do what he
did it and then to kill himself or not, you know,
not fully, not truly, but in the eyes of the public,
so he could go off and do other things. Now

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what were those other things? That's the question. What was
he up to in the Freemasons? He? Um? You know,
in his heart. I've still haven't found the answer as
to win he joined. I don't know if he joined
under his real name of Jesse or under his alias
of James L. Courtney. I've talked to a couple of
Masons who were elderly gentlemen, some of them were passed

(24:31):
by now, and they said all the Masons in his
area knew exactly who he was. They knew he was
Jesse James Um. But he either way he was he
joined the Mason's and I believe, I don't have proof yet,
but I believe he joined during the Civil War UM
General Albert Pike. He was a brigadier general for the Confederates.

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UM Albert was, you know, a famous thirty third degree Mason.
He wrote the books of many books, but one of
his most famous books was Morals and dolt Um. Jesse
and the groupie road with during the Civil War had
camped with Albert Pike most you know, several times at least,
and I've often wondered if that's where he was explosed

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to Freemasons. UM. I know is a lot of his
ancestors were also Freemasons, so it may have come just
been a family tradition. I'm not sure. Oh it does
tick in the families. Well, we gotta get to our
next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes
Late with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio
and Coast the Coast damn paranormal podcast Network. Tick around,

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We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to

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Dark Becomes Late with me Hii Hollis on the I
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a am para normal
podcast network. I have Daniel Duke who is the great
great grandchild of Jesse James, the outlaw Freemason night templar
Uh goodness. I don't know how deep this all goes,

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but you know, a point to to make here. It's
it's interesting to me that you know he goes into
the freemasonry and and may have faked his own death.
And you know, you think about outlaws of today, people
who have uh broke the law and sitting in jail.
But they've got skills, right, They're able to hack a

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computer or they're able to break into safes, and you
think the government will let that talent go to way
so heck no, no, they're gonna go on the payroll,
they're gonna have these big passes to jump out of jail.
And you know, I don't think it's a stretch of
the imagination that Jesse, James, Me and Deed have done that, uh,
to do certain things with his special skills for certain people.

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That's true. Um. In in his day, well, during the
Civil War especially, he rode with Quantrell's guerrillas and that's
where he got I would say all of his training. Actually,
most of his training was during the Civil War. He
was fourteen years old roughly when he started. Uh, he
was still a young man, our teenager when the war ended.

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And um. You know, you combine the mindset of a
teenage boy with those kind of skills and it's the world.
I guess the sky's the limit in in some aspects. Um,
they were like special forces in their day. Ah, that
makes sense. Okay, Well then we we get how he
got into the business that he did. So how does

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this all play into the tie in with the Knights
Templar and the treasures, Like what did you come across that? Um?
When we first you know, there was a treasure map
that had been passed down through the family and trying
to figure that out. It took years to figure that out,
over twenty years. And where do you live again? And

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where's this treasure map? I'm just asking for a friend
central Texas. Oh, okay, I'll be there. Currently I'm living
in northeast Texas. But it all started in Central Texas.
UH got the We had the treasure map. It was encrypted.
There was a lot of code on it. We we

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finally cracked the code, and the code wasn't too hard.
It was just a substituting numbers for letters, and sometimes
the alphabet would be either forwards or backwards. Uh finally
figured that out. But we still didn't have any topographic landmarks.
And a man named George Roming. He was also he
was a thirty second degree Freemason UM, a former World

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War Two vent He was an elderly gentleman when I
met him. He had when he was a young boy,
around ten to twelve years of age, Jesse. He lived
near where Jesse lived. When Jesse was an old man UM,
Jesse hired George to help him move seven hundred bars
of gold each way in about fifteen pounds each, twenty

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miles away, where they met several other old men. Two
other old men who had who had both also hired
two younger boys about George's age, and George knew the
two boys. Um they buried the seven hundred bars of gold.
About two years later, they'd all lied about their age
and joined World War Two. At the end of the war,

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George was the only one living. All the old men
had died of old age, and the other two boys
who helped him bury the gold had died during the war.
So George, as far as he knew, was the only
man who knew about the gold and before he passed.
And this sounds like a typical treasure legend. Um. He
had contacted my mother about ten years prior, but he

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was he knew he was well. He kept getting sick.
He thought his time was closed. So he drew a
map and showed my mother and I where the gold
he buried was. So we followed the map. It's currently are,
or the at least the location of it is on
four Hood Military Reservation. And when we found that out,
we thought, you know, we're not crossing over that line.

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That's good way to end up in a federal prison.
So but the part that helped was we knew a
location and we went from there, uh, you know, around
the around the time it was actually before George had
passed away. Wagner Carr, he was a former Attorney general
for the State of Texas. He'd said he was interested

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in Jesse and the treasures as well. He he contacted
my mother. Um, after several conversations, he had his driver.
He sent his driver to pick us up and show
us where the locations of three large catches were buried.
And those uh accord him, they the State of Texas
oversaw the recovery of those treasures. I asked him where

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they went. He never would say a word. Um that
he didn't want to talk about that. And I'm sure
I don't even know where that could have ended up.
But it gave me for a total of four locations
after that to go by. And there was a template,
uh if you look up Nights of the Golden Circle.
They were like a secret service for the Confederacy during

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the Civil War. During the Civil War they were they
would sabotage railroads and burn bridges and things like that,
trying to slow the movements of Union troops. After the
Civil War, the Knights of the Golden Circle, who everybody
calls k G. C the acronym they they they wanted
to It said that they wanted to fund a second

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Civil war, which reminds me of two rival football teams.
You know, the loser never wants to just give up.
They want to fight again. So they were based on
the stories about them, they were. Their goal was to
get as much money as they could anyway they could,
to fund a second Civil War. I don't I believe

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that's what they wanted, but I don't believe that's how
it went. And I think Freemasonry, or aspects of the
Freemasons like Jesse and others, may have used that as
a way of getting as much gold as they could
and redistributing it to their catches that they had um
And what I'm getting to make a long story short,

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that the Knights of the Golden Circle. It's you can
type in Knights of the Golden Circle treasure template and
you'll find, like in Google or Yahoo, wherever, you'll find
a picture of this template. It's it's like a rhombus
or a diamond shape and it's got two circles in
it and some symbols. Well, that is one sale of

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a grid system that covers the Americas and I found
this out over years. When I started lining it up
on Google Earth, I thought, you know, at the time,
I had no no reason to disbelieve the Knights of
the Golden Circle involvement. But I started I lined these up,
and I noticed they lined up with a lot of

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treasure legends but also areas of historical importance that predated
the Knights of the Golden Circle by centuries. And and
for for that reason and several others, I discounted the
involvement of the Knights of the Golden Circle. I think
they were um. I guess this isn't a nice way
to put it, but in a way, they were considered

(33:37):
useful idiots in a way, Uh, I think I think
the Mason's used what they had um and attributed to
their own template. I think the template was a Masonic
template and not the Knights of the Golden Circle template.
But it lines up with Oak Island, uh, the Newport
Tower and Rhode Islands that's attributed to John Dee and

(33:58):
and the Templar. There's there's controversy over who did it, um,
But after all the research I found out whether it
was John Die or the Templar, it was the same organization. Uh,
it lines up with Victoria Peak, New Mexico. We're back
in the thirties, approximately three billion dollars of gold was
found by a man named doc Nos, who ended up

(34:20):
murdered a few years later. Um that that gold had
about three billion in treasure in it in the thirties
and can you imagine what that would be worth today?
But all those treasures out date are pre dated the
nights of the Golden Circle by centuries. Um. Oh, and
the treasure in New Mexico at Victoria Peak is even

(34:43):
mentioned in the Watergate hearings. Wow. Yeah, this goes deep.
I mean, wow, we've been all over the map from
Oak Island to uh pretty much. It's good. Yeah. And
the thing about the temple, the template that I'm talking
about that makes a grid system, I found out it's

(35:03):
a medium, a large, medium, and small template which and
those overlay another template which is in the shape of
the Cabalistic Tree of Life, which stretches from Williamsburg, Virginia
to Victoria Peak, New Mexico. And you know, as there's
ten main points on the Cabalistic Tree of Life that

(35:24):
that ties in with, and then the grid system overlays
that and the grid system. The whole thing ties in
with the Tree of life. It's it's really interesting to me,
and that blew my mind as well. Um it it's
the grid system is represent our symbolic of the three
negative three three veils of negative existence, which always accompanies

(35:46):
the cabalistic tree of life. Um And I know that
I could get real deep in that, but I wanted
to know who did this and why and what the
dimensions were. Why did they lay it out in a
certain dimensions that they did, like so many miles from
from the center to say, the inner circle and then
the outer circle. And it all tied in with that

(36:08):
led me down rabbit holes like you wouldn't believe, ties
in with a lot of esoteric traditions from the Middle
East and throughout Europe. Christian Jewish and Middle Eastern Cabbala
are are I'm sorry trick Christian Jewish and a cult
cabala and a lot of other traditions. So I ended

(36:28):
up before this all started. When I heard the word cabala,
I thought, you know, that's that thing where celebrities in
Hollywood wear a red string on the wrist. That's as
much as I knew about it. Yeah, it really. It
really blew my mind as to how deep it went,
and it just it kept going. So I found out, Um,

(36:48):
it was in a way, it's like doing a family tree,
only for an organization. And it went from Jesse and
his group he joined. He was a Freemason. Most of
the men with him were Freemasons, and went from Freemasons
through the Founding Fathers back to uh uh Sir Francis Bacon,
who was known as the founder of modern day Freemason

(37:10):
and I thought, okay, this is the guy who did it.
He wrote a book called The New Atlantis, which is
basically an out um like a blueprint for what America
was meant to be um and I thought this, this
is great, this is the guy who did it. I
was finally satisfied, you know, followed the trail to the
end that lasted for about three days until I got

(37:30):
to digging around people who surrounded Sir Francis Bacon h
Like his mentor John d who was known as the
original Double O seven. He was an alchemist and the
double O seven signature that he would sign his letters
with when he wrote to the Queen was was actually
they were actually alchemical symbols and around that time and

(37:51):
I stopped me if I'm rambling too much? Oh no,
it's great. You know, I want to pick this up
after the break, if that's okay. I'm wondering how many
connections to Kevin Bacon that Sir Francis Bake. Well, all right,
you guys, so you gotta get to her next break.
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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(38:29):
Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast a m para normal podcast network. Wow, Daniel, uh,
it's it's so much and it's so fascinating. I want
you to finish your thought where you're speaking just a
minute ago. Okay? Yeah. Um, so I thought Sir Francis

(38:55):
Bacon was the final the the guy who came up
with all this, and until I look it's that that
feeling of peace finally ended about three days later when
I found out there was a lot more. Um. It
went from from Sir Francis Bacon to his mentor John
d through men like Sir Christopher Wren, who had connections

(39:15):
with with uh the william the Church of William and
Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, and that ties back to what
I mentioned earlier. UM, there was a lady name uh
Marie Bauer Hall. She was the wife of another famous freemason,
thirty third degree Freemason name Manly Palmer Hall. Uh Marie

(39:37):
had had worked spent much of her life decoding UM
encryptions she found in the works of Shakespeare and UH
that led her to Williamsburg, Virginia, the Bruton Parish Church.
And in that churchyard there's a cemetery. Some of the
gravestones had Anagraham's on them. And I'm trying to make

(39:58):
this a real quick story. UM. The throughout the well
decrypting the encrypted are encrypted art and words in the
writings of Shakespeare, which she attributes to Sir Francis Bacon
and some of his close friends. And the anagram's on
the headstones in the cemetery of Bruton Parish Church. She

(40:18):
found out that there was an original church that was
older than the one that's standing, and no one believed her.
She proved them wrong. And found the foundations of the
original church in the same churchyard. And it went further
than that to claiming that there is a vault twenty
two ft deep beneath the foundations of the original church
that had treasures that that would if it was normal

(40:43):
treasures like you know, the the typical gold, silver, and jewels.
But it went further than that and included information that
she said would shake history, shake the foundations of history
as we know it. And it also included information that
would shake a lot of modern large religious beliefs. So yeah,

(41:03):
and that that's that, that's a handful in itself. Um,
But I kept going and back to Francis Bacon and
the connections. It ended up going through a lot of
well known historical figures. Leonardo da Vinci was one. Um,
there were a lot of them. It went back through Rosicrucians, alchemists,

(41:24):
and Jewish rabbis who tied into like a one writing
on one of the guys, Paleo Rissio. He was a
They claimed he was a converted Jewish Jewish Man who
had converted to Catholicism. Um. He wrote a book which
was he translated some cabalistic works from Abraham and Bulafia.

(41:46):
And on the title the cover page of that book,
written and or published in fifteen sixteen, there were hidden
symbols all over the cover of it showing the New World.
I laid the map over the picture over the tiles
in the floor on that cover art, and it was
a map of the known world pointing down to it.
And he also had a tree of life. Everything about

(42:08):
that that cover tied in with the treasures in the
New World in the Americas um and it kept going.
It went all the way back to a rabbi known
as Rashie, who was a favorite court guest of Hugh,
the Count of Champagne, who was one of the founder
of the Templar. So I had found all that, I
wrote my first book, and I thought, people are gonna

(42:28):
think I'm insane when I when this comes out, I got,
you know, I got extremely fortunate and uh uh. Found
found a literary agent who would take on you know,
who loved it, and she found a publisher a few
months later, and I thought, people are gonna think I'm insane.
But what made my day was the current Grand Master

(42:51):
of the Knights Templar, Timothy Hogan, who's also an author
and a lecturer. Uh. He wrote a glowing endorsement of
my book and said that I had cracked part of
the code dealing with the treasures that tied back to
the temple in Jerusalem. Oh that that's quite a compliment. Yeah.
That that even today, that gives me goosebumps when I

(43:12):
think of it. Um, it ties back, I'm sure maybe. Well,
I would imagine a lot of your listeners have heard of,
and you yourself have heard of the da Vinci Code
and and the book that he based that on, the
Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Um, this the story that I
wrote about that ties in with Jesse and the treasures

(43:32):
in the America's is a continuation of that story without
I just I'm just like, I let that sink in
and too the wow, okay, wow, that blew my mind.
I'm still it makes Yeah, it gives me goosebumps every

(43:53):
time I think about it. Alreading out searching an old
West outlaw and you find out through him dumbling across
one of the biggest treasure stories in history. This is
this is crazy. So, I mean, there's so much that
you've uncovered. You know, people always say, if I had
a superpower, I'd want to fly. I'm like, I want
to be able to dig. I want to go through

(44:13):
dirt really fast, because there's so much history right underneath
our feet that people have been bearing for literally for
a very long time. And I know there's so much
it needs to be unearthed. And you've been doing quite
a bit in your research and unearthing. But where do
you go from here? I mean, are you still uncovering
things that it might fit into another book I have?

(44:36):
It's it's led me to three books. I've written all
three books that The first one was about the treasures,
the second was about how Jesse faked his death and
lived to the age of nineties seven and you know
as as a farmer in Texas um. And then the
last book, the most recent one, was about his powerful

(44:57):
connections to the Baptist Sure and several other organizations. These
are these are good Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure,
The Mysterious Life and Fake Death of Jesse James, and
Secret History of the Wild Wild West. Wow, man, so

(45:17):
you were saying, just now, oh, well, I mean he's
even related to us presidents. Uh. And this one president
in particular, isn't the most popular by any means, it
was President Lyndon Baines Johnson l b J. Um. I
never met l b J of course, but I did
meet um and a man who I'm trying to try

(45:40):
to not say it so I don't I don't want
to offend the wrong people. But um, Billy saw Estes.
He was known as a con man. Some people called
them kind of like well a hit man in ways.
For lb J um he would sell non existent uh
grain like fertilizer plants to two investors back on Wall

(46:03):
Street and get a ton of money. And some of
that money was said to have been filtered through to
lb J which is what got him where he was. Um. Wow,
you know there's so many you know, we think about
conspiracy theories today, but the stuff from the past just
you know, it's you know, the things that are old

(46:24):
are new again, let's put it that way. Because we
hear these types of supporting funds that come from shady
places at times. And yeah, I met I met Billy
saw Estes at at an exhimation of a grave in Granbury, Texas.
I met him, and that I had already met Wagner Carr,

(46:44):
the former Attorney General for Texas, who, by the way,
said on the Warring Commission who investigated the assassination of JFK.
And I always steer clear of that. I don't want
to get I don't want to go down that road. Um,
I'm just sticking with Jesse in the Templar and the treasure. Smart. Yeah,
because they're not even releasing those records all these years later.

(47:06):
You know, it's like there's a lot of people still
living that were involved in that mess. I'm assuming you
know why else there's the exactly Yeah, I stopped with
lb J. There's a lot more connections, but that's that's
where I wanted to stop. I didn't want to make
the wrong people angry at me. So, oh my gosh,

(47:30):
it's this. This is amazing. It's it's deep stuff. You know.
So if people wanted to check out your books or
I don't know, hand over some secret papers that they've
gotten their family, uh, to help you write in your
next book, how do they get a hold of you?
What's your website? Well, my website is Daniel Duke author
dot com. I've got so many emails and websites, but

(47:51):
you can you can google my name Daniel Duke and
Jesse James. Uh you can find a website. I'm on Facebook,
Instagram and Twitter. Dan Duke Author, Um yeah, I always
have to say author because there's several other Dan Dukes
that this kind of has this this flow to it.
So I see author Dan Duke dot com. That's your

(48:13):
main website. Yes, awesome. Well this has been fascinating and
well there's there's so much to dig into yet. And
I really appreciate you coming on the program. This is
really really a unique conversation. I have to say thank you.
I thank you for having me on the program as
a great author. Yes, truly. All right, Well, um you guys,

(48:35):
we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program.
I I learned a lot today and um actually I
planned to put uh Dan in touch with a friend
of mine who did the film Bloodline. I think they're
going to have some interesting conversations about some of these

(48:56):
night templar connections and freemasonry. Wow, just just wow. Uh
you guys. Also, I want to remind you go to
my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com or
shadow Folks dot com. Go and follow me, follow this program,
Go to Instagram, go to Twitter, Facebook, and put a

(49:17):
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You'll be surprised. And also, don't forget to check out
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and you can find it at the Outlanders Comic on

(49:38):
Instagram or the Outlanders Comic dot com. I am never bored.
I'm always doing something, writing several books at the same
time and juggling all at the same time. I'm just kidding, um,
but yeah, so you know what, I have to give
it to you, guys. I mean I have received so

(49:59):
many the of information about so much that's going on,
so many of the worries isn't going on out there
in the world, and so many paranormal events. And I'm
telling you, one step at a time, let's not let's
not get ahead of ourselves and think the worst is happening.
I just have this really awesome feeling that everything's gonna
be okay, good wins in the end. Remember that, all right,

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