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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hi you guys, welcome back
to another episode of Dirty Rush, and we are going
to continue our conversation with the women who know it
all and they are our house moms house directors, depending
who you talk to. So our next guest is Shanna. Welcome, Shanna.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hi, Hi, it's so nice speaker.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're so nice to meet you, and I'm so glad
to see you because we have been speaking with house directors.
The last one that we spoke to was twenty four,
and so I'm trying to figure out how someone my age,
which I think we're probably around the same age, gets
involved with this. And I'm in a little bit in
awe of you, I have to say, as opposed to
(00:54):
someone you know, younger like our last guests, but what
a job for you to have? This cannot be I'm
sure it's wonderful and fun but also difficult and exhausting.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
A lot of jobs are like that, fair enough, and
so this one you get a lot of good perks
with it too, So it probably bounces.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Out how long have you been doing this twelve years?
Twelve years is a lot of years, and I correct
that you did this. You were a house director for
a fraternity. I was for four years, okay, okay, then.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Sorority, and then I'm a consultant now for sorties across
the country. So I've had kind of a different perspective
because I've been able to see a lot of different
sizes of groups and Greek organizations and fraternities and sororities,
and also the house mom versus house director versus property manager. Yes,
(01:47):
you know, choices that people make now just because of
the size of the organization primarily.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So okay, So I had a house mom when I
was in a sorority named Aunt Millie. So we're going
back hundreds of years, of course, but I now is
it just you could still say house mom? Is that?
Do Some women like it? Some women don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'll tell you it's honestly, the size of the organization
and the size of the school. There are still some
small schools that have house moms, and most house moms
are very proud to be called that. Yeah, you know,
and a lot of them have been doing it for
a lot of years. And so it's it's a compliment.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I think to those ladies that are less on the
property management side, you know, they're going to be more
you know, in a house of seven to nine girls,
probably no more than twenty, got it in pretty small organizations,
they're going to be the ones that order the food,
that cook, you know, that make sure the house is clean,
that make sure the girls are safe. And it's a
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lot more. Probably what your situation was.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We had, well, we had a lot of girls, but
we definitely called her house mom and she was definitely
felt very maternal. Right, so you are, you're house director?
So is there so you live in a house with
I'm sure a ton of young girls are the school.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I've been calls it a property manager because we have
four hundred in organizations and we feed them twice a day,
which is massive. So we have a staff of six
in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stop for a minute.
You're in charge of four hundred Yes, God bless you,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Ye me. Well, a lot different, That's what I mean.
It's a lot different. Our houses hold about forty people
that actually live in, but the chapter rooms and the
dining room seat four hundred. So now they're not little
houses anymore. It's like running a motel.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Honestly, Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that. So i'
mean sure there are I'm sure there are obvious differences
between working for the fraternity as opposed to the sorority.
But anything that we wouldn't guess, I mean I would
think that it would be well, I don't know which
is harder.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh, oh, they're different, because, uh, the things that I
loved about the fraternity were probably the things that are
very similar to sororities, because it was funny you come
in the dining room and you hear them talking about
a recipe that they cooked, or you know, some perfect
(04:21):
way to grill out, or you know, planning a party.
They have the same questions and you know they wanted
to make it the best they could. And so yeah,
the biggest difference I saw will make you laugh. Honestly,
when men drink too much, they tend to get angry sometimes,
where women ugly cry. Yeah, that is the biggest difference
(04:48):
I've seen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So I think I think if I had to choose,
I would choose an ugly crier. I think that's just
me that we're an angry drunk, but I mean nice
for both.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
One of the best parts of this What are the
most fulfilling parts of this?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
See the growth? I think the leadership. Oh, most of
the students I've seen in the Argurent organizations or movers
and shakers, they're the leaders. They're going to be the
CFOs and the COEO CEOs. And to see them take
leadership roles in their organizations and just blossom, you know,
And so many of them are much more prepared when
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they leave college because they've already had to get four
hundred people to agree on something, yeah, you know, and
that's huge. Yeah, so they're already leaders, and their budgets
are massive. I mean when they throw a party, now
it's a twenty thousand dollars party. You imagine, you know,
it's just completely different. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Were you in a sority, yes, okay, yes, okay, because
it wasn't like that for us back in the day.
It was not twenty thousand dollars. It was probably if
it was fifteen hundred, it was a good day.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, that was probably the whole budget. Yeah, yeah, it's
now it's complete. It's so different. But it also depends
on what reagon the country in and how big the
organization itself is right there. I mean, it's a massive
industry now. Where it formerly was the chapter itself owned
the house probably and the chapter alumnae probably. We're making
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the rules, where now there's so many national organizations that
it's they're the ones mandating the organizational rules. And then
some of the house directors or house moms their property managers,
whatever their title are work for the state, which is interesting.
Really if it's a state supportive school, they often are employees.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So it's really a different world than what it was
forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, so, in the form of house director that your
career has taken you, are you able to develop close
relationships with the girls or is it more sort of
you're so busy running the logistics? Is that as much
do you do both?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, you live on You live with these ladies seven
days a week, twenty four hours a day for eight
months a year, and so you get to know every name.
You get to know their personalities, their quirks, their their hopes,
their aspirations, and I you know, yeah, you get to
know them all.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, yeah, is that is that one of the parts.
I would think that would be the most fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, just to see them become who they
want to be and be comfortable in their own skin.
A lot of men and women that come into college
that have been hovered upon by their parents aren't sure
who they're going to be. Yeah, And and organizations like
Greek organizations tend to really push you to be who
(07:45):
you are. Yeah, And that's really interesting sometimes to see
how that transition works. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That is really cool. I never thought that that that
being a house. It's still I would get real It's
not something that I can handle. There's just no way
I would not I could barely handle my two kids,
so I would not know. I would not be equipped.
But the way that you're describing it, I mean it
sounds like, yeah, it would be fulfilling. I'd like the
idea of, you know, watching young people I don't know
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grow and they do.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, And it's the most most I think the eighteen
to twenty two year old is the most you develop
your own individuality. You know, you begin to believe who
you are and what you want and sort that out
between who your parents want.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Me to be that's good. Yeah, what do you think
the worst part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Is the one percent there are. I always say that
I work for the ninety nine percent, and I tell
my men and women, I said, whatever you give me,
I'm going to give you back. If you treat me well,
I'm going to treat you well.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It wouldn't treat you well. You really have likes.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's that one percent that, okay, is difficult. And I
think you'd find that in any organization. I mean, I've
been in leadership in the c suite offices all my life.
Oh and really I find that with every age group.
I mean people in a boardroom compared to you know,
people in a Greek organization, they're very similar. But I
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think the thing a lot of people don't realize is
the chapter itself is run by the members. The house
directors or house moms don't really get involved in that
leadership or training of that because they are so self
sufficient and they're guided by their own principles, they're guided
(09:37):
by their own philanthropy, you know. So a lot of
that is kind of nice to be able just to watch. Yeah,
and you don't have to take part of that. So yes,
it is hard to get the logistics of a house managed,
depending on how many people you have. I mean there
are some houses now they're like dormitories that house the
entire organization. There's the one in Washington State I think
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has four hundred people in it. There's one in Minnesota
that has four forty. Wow, they're massive, you know. So
of course it is a lot of logistics with a
lot of employees, you know, So you're managing that, but
you're also watching these young men and young women blossom
and the amazing leaders.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well what about so what about you and your personal life?
Is it hard to have one? And I don't know
your situation if you have a partner or your family
of friends and nearby, is that hard to juggle?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I would venture to say no, because you get so
much time off right oka. You know, it's not a
twelve month job. There's some schools that are on quarters,
some that are on semesters. And so I'm solo, and
you know love that. I have children and grandchildren, and
I think it's very you know, you can balance it,
(10:50):
just say you at any career, it is balancing it.
But you know, we do get enough time to travel
and do things that we want to do. There are
organizations that allow couples. Generally speaking, a fraternity is going
to wish that they had a man or you know,
like I was in a frattorney also, but they are
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generally not going to allow a man in a sorority.
I have not seen that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And you said that, yeah, yeah, because I was talking
to a few of the directors that said, yes, that
it is like that they have a significant other, that
person can come into the suite you can't go into
maybe the main areas, but and that there are now
you're able to go in as a couple sometimes at
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some schools. But so the fraternity you just said, the
fraternities would rather there be a man there than the
sororities would. Do you think the fraternities respond to you
as a house director as well as they would a
man somebody because you were living in the house or
Is that hard to manage?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I didn't find it hard hard to manage. I think
most of the young men that come into Greek organizations
are going to be respectful to anyone. Yeah, you know,
I said there's that one percent you know that in
any organization aren't going to be as they're going to
be a little bit more of a challenge.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I would think that one percent would creep up a
little in a fright house, but that's just me.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, thanks, So maybe so also depends on the support system.
You know, house directors and house moms get a support
system from zero, you know to some schools. You know,
you live on the property where you're the university ends it,
so you're under the police service and the fire service,
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and you're under the counseling service, and you're you know,
you have so much support from the Greek office or
the student life office that that gives you so much
help every day with what you're dealing with. I mean,
because you have to be a psychologist, and you have
to be a shape and you have to be a
business manager and a finance manager, and then you have
to know how to deal with students. So the more
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support you can get and the more training you can get,
I think it really makes a difference. Like I said,
now it's a career.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's very different, right, That's what I'm Yeah, that's what
I'm picking up on that this is like an actual career.
And I don't mean to say that in any kind
of a condescending way. I just think that when I was,
you know, going through the sorty life, I didn't think
that my house mom, it was sort of you know,
women that were older, and you know, just sort of like,
(13:24):
maybe single, I'll do this for a while. Not that
it was something that necessarily people set out to do, right,
But it's interesting just from what I'm hearing, it feels
like maybe there's a career path here that now people
are taking it, considering it more sort of long term.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh, absolutely, and consider I mean just think about how
many jobs do you make fifty thousand to ninety thousand
dollars a year and have free absolutely wonderful, amazing chefs
cooking for you every day, you know, and power and
water and parking and insurance in all of those things,
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and live on site twelve months a year.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Pretty amazing when you look at all the benefits and
you Yeah, the position can be challenging, but I think
being a school teacher can be challenging, a construction worker
can be challenging. It's all the like I said, I
think it's the support that you have in that university,
or the support that you're able to ask for yeah,
(14:23):
you know, like I said, I've been privileged to be
on a lot of different campuses to see how a
lot of that management style works. From it being owned
and operated by a local alumni group, to be owned
and operated by the university, or to be in and
operated by the national organization. They're all very different, and
they're all very different in how those career paths look.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I've definitely learned a lot just talking
to you guys, because no, seriously, it's and it's an
important job. Obviously I knew that before we spoke, but
just in terms of thinking of it as a career
or even people just being able to put away money.
You know, even if you're younger, let's say, and you're
in school, there.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Are a lot of graduate assistants that are looking more
and more into it because they get free housing, they're
on campus. You know, it's a twenty four hour day
job for sure, but there are some organizations that allow
people to have full time jobs. They are professors on campuses.
Now they are looking at this and saying, wait a minute,
this is a really good, you know, good situation. Let's
(15:20):
go do this right. And I think that like you say,
it is surprising when you talk to most people about
if you were in a forty twenty years ago or
forty years ago, or even one hundred years ago, it
has changed incredibly. I mean, now you've got organizations who's
the budgets are five hundred to a million dollars for
one chapter just their budget plus a housing you know,
(15:44):
a housing corporation budget. So it's a big business.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, listen, I think you you make it sound easier
than it probably is. That's just my guess. You seem
like to have a woman that could just handle anything.
But you know, we so appreciate you coming on and
sharing a little bit about this. Okay, guys, So next
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we are talking to my new friend Laurie Hi.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lourie Hi.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So I'm hoping that talking to you, you could tell
tell us some secrets, tell us some of the crazy stuff,
tell us some of the wacky stuff. How long have
you been doing this?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
First of all, bull time since two thousand and three?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Wow? Okay, so you're not kidding.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
No that I substituted for people who went out of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Down Oh wow. Okay, so you know the ins and
outs of this. So yeah, we we're getting a good
idea in terms of like what the responsibilities are, although
I'm sure they differ from house to house absolutely, Yeah, yeah,
So but tell us is there anything you could tell
us in terms of like crazy things that happened with
the girls? Uh, stuff that you anytime that you've had
(17:02):
to manage what feels like something that's not manageable.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Well, I sometimes I just think back to, Okay, what
was it like when I was in school and what
would I have done? And what what was I thinking
when I did some of the crazy things I did
because I wasn't I am a sorority member. Also, no,
I think last night somebody wanted me to fix somebody
else's pants that they had borrowed sneakily. And I'm like, no,
(17:30):
there's no fabric there. I mean, I can fix them,
but you'll.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
They want you to me. They wanted you to sew
them because they had sneak Oh my god, but.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
There was no fabric to like put it back together.
And I said, no, I can fix it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, but you know it's yes, did they try to
They probably try to get you to do all that
kind of stuff like save their just save their asses.
Of course, I mean, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Because I'm like, I'm like the mom, but not so.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
What kind of mom are you? Are you strict?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I have a couple of I'm going to die in
these hill rules, and then the rest of them are like, okay,
could we do something different? Have you thought of this that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
M So what are the die on the hill rules?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You have to wear shoes in the dining room?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Love that rule? Oh my god, love that rule. That's
your die in the Hill rule. You're the coolest house
director ever. I thought you were going to be like,
don't you ever let me see a boy in this house?
Oh no, no, because battle yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye yeah.
All right, so no shoes in the dining room. Wow,
that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do you have any stories for us, like crazy things
that have happened that you've had to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
At one house? The room the day room that was
kind of the party room, sadly for them, was above
my room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Sadly for them. What about you?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
No, because I'm a really good sleeper, so that wasn't
the problem. But I woke up and I heard something.
I thought, oh no, I'm gonna have to get up,
and oh really, and it's like okay, well, okay, so
you get up and you go upstairs and you knock
in the room on the door and nobody answered. So
I opened the door and they were having a party
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in there, totally just dancing, nothing illegal, nothing wrong, okay.
And they saw me and it was like statue suddenly, Oh,
did we wake you up? I said no, not really,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Knock it off.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. And they were so apologetic. They even apologized the
next morning. We're so sorry, and I said, wall, no,
it's okay, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What do they call you, Lorie? Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I came in at the point where most people were
no longer called miss whatever or missus whatever?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So wow? So are they crying on your shoulder a lot?
Are you?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Sometimes not? I'm not as much as you know, not
as much as you would think. But but I'm happy
to listen to whatever they need to say. I'm pretty
good at not telling people who said what right. I've
been lucky that I've never had any real dangerous things
happen to anybody.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Good. I'm glad. I mean, are you catching them smoking pot?
Are you catching them with boys in their bedrooms? Is
that just sort of par for the course drinking.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I have found loquor in the house. But the house
director's role is not really the enforcer. You're more the
reporter because they have an advisory board, they have a
house corporation board, got it, They have an internal group
of them, and so it's more like, if you run
by me with a beer, I'm going to take the beer.
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If I see the beer in your room, I'm going
to report it to somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, I feel like that's a happy medium. That's sort
of like, I think that's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, right, I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I think it is. I think it is. What's the
part of this job that you enjoy the most.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I love being with this age group. And you know,
don't get me wrong, I'm ready when they need to
go on break for Christmas. I'll bet I'm like, Okay,
no doubt, go now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Take your time.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I have actually took a year off a couple
of years ago because I thought I was retiring and
I didn't realize how lonely I was. Have you lived
with this many people and I love being here.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I love that you love that, really, because I think
it takes a very specific personality type to put up
with this. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I mean you
have to have I would think the patients of a
saint pretty much.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And you have to be a good sleeper.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean yeah, but you know, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
They think they're very loud, and usually the house mother's
room is situated not where, not where the party room is.
I mean, are you kidding me? I have no trouble.
I don't notice the noise very often.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. I mean you have to not only be you're
in this supervisory role, but like also are you managing
the house, the logistics of the house.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yes, most of us are partially property managed, and in fact,
over the years the name has changed to in some
sororities it's called facility director or property manager house director.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So, like, I just spent all his spring break dealing
with vendors who I didn't have to babysit because there
was nobody in the house but me. So the sprinkler man,
the fire extinguisher man, the hood cleaner, the hood inspector.
You known.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, have you ever had a I guess you aren't
the enforcer necessarily. Have you ever had to kick a
girl out of the house.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I have been instructed to do that be fun. Oh
so so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
How bad do you have to mess up for that
to happen?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
They, I mean all stories have bylaws national, you know,
code of conduct, local code conduct, So sometimes you just
have to leave.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah yeah, the girl. I feel like the girls. It
seems you just seem very sweet and warm. Do they
just love you?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh? I think they do.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean I like the you know, the person who
called me yesterday and said we think you would be
great at this LORI I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's so nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Wait, somebody called you yesterday and say said you'd be
good on a podcast. Well this is yeah, so yeah
they were right. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe you should
consider this as well. You should be the podcast from
the house.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh yeah no.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Our podcast is called Dirty Russians. And as people think
that it's about all the negative aspects and it's it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I have to say that crossed my mind after
I saw the name of thing, and I went okay,
but I was assured that it was not that way.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No, it's not. I mean I I've been in a sorority.
Our other hosts of our sorority girls as well, and
we all had wonderful positive experiences. We do like to
get down to you know, there's always another side of everything,
not just obviously, not just it's not for everyone, but
it's not for everyone, and what does that look like?
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And is you know?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Live?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And most of the girls that we've spoken to, the
best part of being in a sorority has been that
year they spent in the house.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
My daughter railed against it, she didn't want to do it,
and it ended up being her favorite year. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I loved living in the house. I loved the sleeping porch.
You know, all the things that people don't like about
that sleeping porch, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What's a sleeping porch for our listeners that don't know,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The closest thing would It looks oftentimes like an army barrack,
So that's right, bunks. But the plus of it is
it's always dark, it's always quiet. You could always take
a nap there. And I when I was in school,
which was quite a while ago, nobody had obviously cell
(25:14):
phones weren't existing, so nobody had their own alarms. We
had a wake up person who woke us up.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right, Wow, I guess we did too. Did we have that.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Some crazy person who wanted to do that house duty
of at six o'clock in the morning, they'd come around
and go LORI at six o'clock and if you didn't
get up, they were back in fifteen minutes to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, right right, I don't know I would hire that
person to have come to my house.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh it's so nice, you know. And then after about
nine o'clock in the morning, you could have an alarm clock.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
But yeah, yeah, but you're able to also have your
own life, your own social life. Oh absolutely, Oh yeah, yeah, good.
I'm glad. And you have family around that you.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, I don't. You don't these I considered these my girls.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Really.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I love that. They are very lucky. Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And because I was an advisor before I did all
of this, I have girls who go range from early
sixties to now eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Wow. And it sounds like you just you really love them.
They're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I you know, you don't. You don't have the same
relationship with everybody, but of course I have. I have
great relationships with a lot of them. I've been to weddings,
you know, I've met babies.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Oh I love that. Yeah, I was saying when we opened,
I said, you know, my experience with Aunt Millie, and
that's the only way that we knew her. We didn't
have a particularly close relationship ship. She was really just
sort of the rule of the enforcer, you know. But
talking to people today who do what you do, it's
(26:52):
just seems very different to me, like you're really able to,
you know, have something fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, I think the expectations are different, you know, the
society has different. Expectations are different. Right, most people feel
like they don't need a second mom until they do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I do, if you're around. Yeah, God knows. Okay,
my friend, Well, thank you so much for coming on
and share welcome some of this one with us. We
really do appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thank you. It's been funny.
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with
your hosts me Gia Judice.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hi you guys, welcome back
to another episode of Dirty Rush, and we are going
to continue our conversation with the women who know it
all and they are our house moms house directors, depending
who you talk to. So our next guest is Shanna. Welcome, Shanna.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hi, Hi, it's so nice speaker.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're so nice to meet you, and I'm so glad
to see you because we have been speaking with house directors.
The last one that we spoke to was twenty four,
and so I'm trying to figure out how someone my age,
which I think we're probably around the same age, gets
involved with this. And I'm in a little bit in
awe of you, I have to say, as opposed to
(00:54):
someone you know, younger like our last guests, but what
a job for you to have? This cannot be I'm
sure it's wonderful and fun but also difficult and exhausting.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
A lot of jobs are like that, fair enough, and
so this one you get a lot of good perks
with it too, So it probably bounces.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Out how long have you been doing this twelve years?
Twelve years is a lot of years, and I correct
that you did this. You were a house director for
a fraternity. I was for four years, okay, okay, then.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Sorority, and then I'm a consultant now for sorties across
the country. So I've had kind of a different perspective
because I've been able to see a lot of different
sizes of groups and Greek organizations and fraternities and sororities,
and also the house mom versus house director versus property manager. Yes,
(01:47):
you know, choices that people make now just because of
the size of the organization primarily.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So okay, So I had a house mom when I
was in a sorority named Aunt Millie. So we're going
back hundreds of years, of course, but I now is
it just you could still say house mom? Is that?
Do Some women like it? Some women don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'll tell you it's honestly, the size of the organization
and the size of the school. There are still some
small schools that have house moms, and most house moms
are very proud to be called that. Yeah, you know,
and a lot of them have been doing it for
a lot of years. And so it's it's a compliment.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I think to those ladies that are less on the
property management side, you know, they're going to be more
you know, in a house of seven to nine girls,
probably no more than twenty, got it in pretty small organizations,
they're going to be the ones that order the food,
that cook, you know, that make sure the house is clean,
that make sure the girls are safe. And it's a
(02:46):
lot more. Probably what your situation was.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We had, well, we had a lot of girls, but
we definitely called her house mom and she was definitely
felt very maternal. Right, so you are, you're house director?
So is there so you live in a house with
I'm sure a ton of young girls are the school.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I've been calls it a property manager because we have
four hundred in organizations and we feed them twice a day,
which is massive. So we have a staff of six
in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stop for a minute.
You're in charge of four hundred Yes, God bless you,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Ye me. Well, a lot different, That's what I mean.
It's a lot different. Our houses hold about forty people
that actually live in, but the chapter rooms and the
dining room seat four hundred. So now they're not little
houses anymore. It's like running a motel.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Honestly, Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that. So i'
mean sure there are I'm sure there are obvious differences
between working for the fraternity as opposed to the sorority.
But anything that we wouldn't guess, I mean I would
think that it would be well, I don't know which
is harder.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh, oh, they're different, because, uh, the things that I
loved about the fraternity were probably the things that are
very similar to sororities, because it was funny you come
in the dining room and you hear them talking about
a recipe that they cooked, or you know, some perfect
(04:21):
way to grill out, or you know, planning a party.
They have the same questions and you know they wanted
to make it the best they could. And so yeah,
the biggest difference I saw will make you laugh. Honestly,
when men drink too much, they tend to get angry sometimes,
where women ugly cry. Yeah, that is the biggest difference
(04:48):
I've seen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So I think I think if I had to choose,
I would choose an ugly crier. I think that's just
me that we're an angry drunk, but I mean nice
for both.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
One of the best parts of this What are the
most fulfilling parts of this?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
See the growth? I think the leadership. Oh, most of
the students I've seen in the Argurent organizations or movers
and shakers, they're the leaders. They're going to be the
CFOs and the COEO CEOs. And to see them take
leadership roles in their organizations and just blossom, you know,
And so many of them are much more prepared when
(05:27):
they leave college because they've already had to get four
hundred people to agree on something, yeah, you know, and
that's huge. Yeah, so they're already leaders, and their budgets
are massive. I mean when they throw a party, now
it's a twenty thousand dollars party. You imagine, you know,
it's just completely different. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Were you in a sority, yes, okay, yes, okay, because
it wasn't like that for us back in the day.
It was not twenty thousand dollars. It was probably if
it was fifteen hundred, it was a good day.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, that was probably the whole budget. Yeah, yeah, it's
now it's complete. It's so different. But it also depends
on what reagon the country in and how big the
organization itself is right there. I mean, it's a massive
industry now. Where it formerly was the chapter itself owned
the house probably and the chapter alumnae probably. We're making
(06:20):
the rules, where now there's so many national organizations that
it's they're the ones mandating the organizational rules. And then
some of the house directors or house moms their property managers,
whatever their title are work for the state, which is interesting.
Really if it's a state supportive school, they often are employees.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So it's really a different world than what it was
forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, so, in the form of house director that your
career has taken you, are you able to develop close
relationships with the girls or is it more sort of
you're so busy running the logistics? Is that as much
do you do both?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, you live on You live with these ladies seven
days a week, twenty four hours a day for eight
months a year, and so you get to know every name.
You get to know their personalities, their quirks, their their hopes,
their aspirations, and I you know, yeah, you get to
know them all.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, yeah, is that is that one of the parts.
I would think that would be the most fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, just to see them become who they
want to be and be comfortable in their own skin.
A lot of men and women that come into college
that have been hovered upon by their parents aren't sure
who they're going to be. Yeah, And and organizations like
Greek organizations tend to really push you to be who
(07:45):
you are. Yeah, And that's really interesting sometimes to see
how that transition works. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That is really cool. I never thought that that that
being a house. It's still I would get real It's
not something that I can handle. There's just no way
I would not I could barely handle my two kids,
so I would not know. I would not be equipped.
But the way that you're describing it, I mean it
sounds like, yeah, it would be fulfilling. I'd like the
idea of, you know, watching young people I don't know
(08:16):
grow and they do.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, And it's the most most I think the eighteen
to twenty two year old is the most you develop
your own individuality. You know, you begin to believe who
you are and what you want and sort that out
between who your parents want.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Me to be that's good. Yeah, what do you think
the worst part of it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Is the one percent there are. I always say that
I work for the ninety nine percent, and I tell
my men and women, I said, whatever you give me,
I'm going to give you back. If you treat me well,
I'm going to treat you well.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It wouldn't treat you well. You really have likes.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's that one percent that, okay, is difficult. And I
think you'd find that in any organization. I mean, I've
been in leadership in the c suite offices all my life.
Oh and really I find that with every age group.
I mean people in a boardroom compared to you know,
people in a Greek organization, they're very similar. But I
(09:16):
think the thing a lot of people don't realize is
the chapter itself is run by the members. The house
directors or house moms don't really get involved in that
leadership or training of that because they are so self
sufficient and they're guided by their own principles, they're guided
(09:37):
by their own philanthropy, you know. So a lot of
that is kind of nice to be able just to watch. Yeah,
and you don't have to take part of that. So yes,
it is hard to get the logistics of a house managed,
depending on how many people you have. I mean there
are some houses now they're like dormitories that house the
entire organization. There's the one in Washington State I think
(09:58):
has four hundred people in it. There's one in Minnesota
that has four forty. Wow, they're massive, you know. So
of course it is a lot of logistics with a
lot of employees, you know, So you're managing that, but
you're also watching these young men and young women blossom
and the amazing leaders.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well what about so what about you and your personal life?
Is it hard to have one? And I don't know
your situation if you have a partner or your family
of friends and nearby, is that hard to juggle?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I would venture to say no, because you get so
much time off right oka. You know, it's not a
twelve month job. There's some schools that are on quarters,
some that are on semesters. And so I'm solo, and
you know love that. I have children and grandchildren, and
I think it's very you know, you can balance it,
(10:50):
just say you at any career, it is balancing it.
But you know, we do get enough time to travel
and do things that we want to do. There are
organizations that allow couples. Generally speaking, a fraternity is going
to wish that they had a man or you know,
like I was in a frattorney also, but they are
(11:13):
generally not going to allow a man in a sorority.
I have not seen that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And you said that, yeah, yeah, because I was talking
to a few of the directors that said, yes, that
it is like that they have a significant other, that
person can come into the suite you can't go into
maybe the main areas, but and that there are now
you're able to go in as a couple sometimes at
(11:37):
some schools. But so the fraternity you just said, the
fraternities would rather there be a man there than the
sororities would. Do you think the fraternities respond to you
as a house director as well as they would a
man somebody because you were living in the house or
Is that hard to manage?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I didn't find it hard hard to manage. I think
most of the young men that come into Greek organizations
are going to be respectful to anyone. Yeah, you know,
I said there's that one percent you know that in
any organization aren't going to be as they're going to
be a little bit more of a challenge.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I would think that one percent would creep up a
little in a fright house, but that's just me.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, thanks, So maybe so also depends on the support system.
You know, house directors and house moms get a support
system from zero, you know to some schools. You know,
you live on the property where you're the university ends it,
so you're under the police service and the fire service,
(12:34):
and you're under the counseling service, and you're you know,
you have so much support from the Greek office or
the student life office that that gives you so much
help every day with what you're dealing with. I mean,
because you have to be a psychologist, and you have
to be a shape and you have to be a
business manager and a finance manager, and then you have
to know how to deal with students. So the more
(12:56):
support you can get and the more training you can get,
I think it really makes a difference. Like I said,
now it's a career.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's very different, right, That's what I'm Yeah, that's what
I'm picking up on that this is like an actual career.
And I don't mean to say that in any kind
of a condescending way. I just think that when I was,
you know, going through the sorty life, I didn't think
that my house mom, it was sort of you know,
women that were older, and you know, just sort of like,
(13:24):
maybe single, I'll do this for a while. Not that
it was something that necessarily people set out to do, right,
But it's interesting just from what I'm hearing, it feels
like maybe there's a career path here that now people
are taking it, considering it more sort of long term.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh, absolutely, and consider I mean just think about how
many jobs do you make fifty thousand to ninety thousand
dollars a year and have free absolutely wonderful, amazing chefs
cooking for you every day, you know, and power and
water and parking and insurance in all of those things,
(13:59):
and live on site twelve months a year.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Pretty amazing when you look at all the benefits and
you Yeah, the position can be challenging, but I think
being a school teacher can be challenging, a construction worker
can be challenging. It's all the like I said, I
think it's the support that you have in that university,
or the support that you're able to ask for yeah,
(14:23):
you know, like I said, I've been privileged to be
on a lot of different campuses to see how a
lot of that management style works. From it being owned
and operated by a local alumni group, to be owned
and operated by the university, or to be in and
operated by the national organization. They're all very different, and
they're all very different in how those career paths look.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I've definitely learned a lot just talking
to you guys, because no, seriously, it's and it's an
important job. Obviously I knew that before we spoke, but
just in terms of thinking of it as a career
or even people just being able to put away money.
You know, even if you're younger, let's say, and you're
in school, there.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Are a lot of graduate assistants that are looking more
and more into it because they get free housing, they're
on campus. You know, it's a twenty four hour day
job for sure, but there are some organizations that allow
people to have full time jobs. They are professors on campuses.
Now they are looking at this and saying, wait a minute,
this is a really good, you know, good situation. Let's
(15:20):
go do this right. And I think that like you say,
it is surprising when you talk to most people about
if you were in a forty twenty years ago or
forty years ago, or even one hundred years ago, it
has changed incredibly. I mean, now you've got organizations who's
the budgets are five hundred to a million dollars for
one chapter just their budget plus a housing you know,
(15:44):
a housing corporation budget. So it's a big business.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, listen, I think you you make it sound easier
than it probably is. That's just my guess. You seem
like to have a woman that could just handle anything.
But you know, we so appreciate you coming on and
sharing a little bit about this. Okay, guys, So next
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we are talking to my new friend Laurie Hi.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Lourie Hi.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So I'm hoping that talking to you, you could tell
tell us some secrets, tell us some of the crazy stuff,
tell us some of the wacky stuff. How long have
you been doing this?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
First of all, bull time since two thousand and three?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Wow? Okay, so you're not kidding.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
No that I substituted for people who went out of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Down Oh wow. Okay, so you know the ins and
outs of this. So yeah, we we're getting a good
idea in terms of like what the responsibilities are, although
I'm sure they differ from house to house absolutely, Yeah, yeah,
So but tell us is there anything you could tell
us in terms of like crazy things that happened with
the girls? Uh, stuff that you anytime that you've had
(17:02):
to manage what feels like something that's not manageable.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Well, I sometimes I just think back to, Okay, what
was it like when I was in school and what
would I have done? And what what was I thinking
when I did some of the crazy things I did
because I wasn't I am a sorority member. Also, no,
I think last night somebody wanted me to fix somebody
else's pants that they had borrowed sneakily. And I'm like, no,
(17:30):
there's no fabric there. I mean, I can fix them,
but you'll.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
They want you to me. They wanted you to sew
them because they had sneak Oh my god, but.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
There was no fabric to like put it back together.
And I said, no, I can fix it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, but you know it's yes, did they try to
They probably try to get you to do all that
kind of stuff like save their just save their asses.
Of course, I mean, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Because I'm like, I'm like the mom, but not so.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
What kind of mom are you? Are you strict?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I have a couple of I'm going to die in
these hill rules, and then the rest of them are like, okay,
could we do something different? Have you thought of this that?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
M So what are the die on the hill rules?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You have to wear shoes in the dining room?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Love that rule? Oh my god, love that rule. That's
your die in the Hill rule. You're the coolest house
director ever. I thought you were going to be like,
don't you ever let me see a boy in this house?
Oh no, no, because battle yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye yeah.
All right, so no shoes in the dining room. Wow,
that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do you have any stories for us, like crazy things
that have happened that you've had to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
At one house? The room the day room that was
kind of the party room, sadly for them, was above
my room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Sadly for them. What about you?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
No, because I'm a really good sleeper, so that wasn't
the problem. But I woke up and I heard something.
I thought, oh no, I'm gonna have to get up,
and oh really, and it's like okay, well, okay, so
you get up and you go upstairs and you knock
in the room on the door and nobody answered. So
I opened the door and they were having a party
(19:19):
in there, totally just dancing, nothing illegal, nothing wrong, okay.
And they saw me and it was like statue suddenly, Oh,
did we wake you up? I said no, not really,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Knock it off.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah. And they were so apologetic. They even apologized the
next morning. We're so sorry, and I said, wall, no,
it's okay, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What do they call you, Lorie? Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I came in at the point where most people were
no longer called miss whatever or missus whatever?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So wow? So are they crying on your shoulder a lot?
Are you?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Sometimes not? I'm not as much as you know, not
as much as you would think. But but I'm happy
to listen to whatever they need to say. I'm pretty
good at not telling people who said what right. I've
been lucky that I've never had any real dangerous things
happen to anybody.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Good. I'm glad. I mean, are you catching them smoking pot?
Are you catching them with boys in their bedrooms? Is
that just sort of par for the course drinking.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I have found loquor in the house. But the house
director's role is not really the enforcer. You're more the
reporter because they have an advisory board, they have a
house corporation board, got it, They have an internal group
of them, and so it's more like, if you run
by me with a beer, I'm going to take the beer.
(20:55):
If I see the beer in your room, I'm going
to report it to somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Okay, I feel like that's a happy medium. That's sort
of like, I think that's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, right, I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I think it is. I think it is. What's the
part of this job that you enjoy the most.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I love being with this age group. And you know,
don't get me wrong, I'm ready when they need to
go on break for Christmas. I'll bet I'm like, Okay,
no doubt, go now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Take your time.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I have actually took a year off a couple
of years ago because I thought I was retiring and
I didn't realize how lonely I was. Have you lived
with this many people and I love being here.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I love that you love that, really, because I think
it takes a very specific personality type to put up
with this. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I mean you
have to have I would think the patients of a
saint pretty much.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And you have to be a good sleeper.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, I mean yeah, but you know, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
They think they're very loud, and usually the house mother's
room is situated not where, not where the party room is.
I mean, are you kidding me? I have no trouble.
I don't notice the noise very often.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. I mean you have to not only be you're
in this supervisory role, but like also are you managing
the house, the logistics of the house.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yes, most of us are partially property managed, and in fact,
over the years the name has changed to in some
sororities it's called facility director or property manager house director.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So, like, I just spent all his spring break dealing
with vendors who I didn't have to babysit because there
was nobody in the house but me. So the sprinkler man,
the fire extinguisher man, the hood cleaner, the hood inspector.
You known.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, have you ever had a I guess you aren't
the enforcer necessarily. Have you ever had to kick a
girl out of the house.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I have been instructed to do that be fun. Oh
so so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
How bad do you have to mess up for that
to happen?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
They, I mean all stories have bylaws national, you know,
code of conduct, local code conduct, So sometimes you just
have to leave.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah yeah, the girl. I feel like the girls. It
seems you just seem very sweet and warm. Do they
just love you?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh? I think they do.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I mean I like the you know, the person who
called me yesterday and said we think you would be
great at this LORI I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's so nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Wait, somebody called you yesterday and say said you'd be
good on a podcast. Well this is yeah, so yeah
they were right. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe you should
consider this as well. You should be the podcast from
the house.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh yeah no.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Our podcast is called Dirty Russians. And as people think
that it's about all the negative aspects and it's it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I have to say that crossed my mind after
I saw the name of thing, and I went okay,
but I was assured that it was not that way.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No, it's not. I mean I I've been in a sorority.
Our other hosts of our sorority girls as well, and
we all had wonderful positive experiences. We do like to
get down to you know, there's always another side of everything,
not just obviously, not just it's not for everyone, but
it's not for everyone, and what does that look like?
(24:28):
And is you know?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Live?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And most of the girls that we've spoken to, the
best part of being in a sorority has been that
year they spent in the house.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
My daughter railed against it, she didn't want to do it,
and it ended up being her favorite year. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I loved living in the house. I loved the sleeping porch.
You know, all the things that people don't like about
that sleeping porch, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What's a sleeping porch for our listeners that don't know,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The closest thing would It looks oftentimes like an army barrack,
So that's right, bunks. But the plus of it is
it's always dark, it's always quiet. You could always take
a nap there. And I when I was in school,
which was quite a while ago, nobody had obviously cell
(25:14):
phones weren't existing, so nobody had their own alarms. We
had a wake up person who woke us up.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right, Wow, I guess we did too. Did we have that.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Some crazy person who wanted to do that house duty
of at six o'clock in the morning, they'd come around
and go LORI at six o'clock and if you didn't
get up, they were back in fifteen minutes to do it.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, right right, I don't know I would hire that
person to have come to my house.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh it's so nice, you know. And then after about
nine o'clock in the morning, you could have an alarm clock.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
But yeah, yeah, but you're able to also have your
own life, your own social life. Oh absolutely, Oh yeah, yeah, good.
I'm glad. And you have family around that you.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, I don't. You don't these I considered these my girls.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Really.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I love that. They are very lucky. Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And because I was an advisor before I did all
of this, I have girls who go range from early
sixties to now eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Wow. And it sounds like you just you really love them.
They're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I you know, you don't. You don't have the same
relationship with everybody, but of course I have. I have
great relationships with a lot of them. I've been to weddings,
you know, I've met babies.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Oh I love that. Yeah, I was saying when we opened,
I said, you know, my experience with Aunt Millie, and
that's the only way that we knew her. We didn't
have a particularly close relationship ship. She was really just
sort of the rule of the enforcer, you know. But
talking to people today who do what you do, it's
(26:52):
just seems very different to me, like you're really able to,
you know, have something fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, I think the expectations are different, you know, the
society has different. Expectations are different. Right, most people feel
like they don't need a second mom until they do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I do, if you're around. Yeah, God knows. Okay,
my friend, Well, thank you so much for coming on
and share welcome some of this one with us. We
really do appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thank you. It's been funny.
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