May 23, 2026 • 20 mins
We are going from sisterhood to a whole new level. A grandmother, her daughter, and three granddaughters share their sorority experiences. Some loved it, and some HATED it!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judaice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Welcome back to a very special episode of Dirty Rush. Today,
we are speaking with my family, three generations of sorority
(00:22):
women who are here to compare and contrast their sorority experiences.
My name is Lauren, and I will be hosting the conversation.
And does everybody want to introduce themself, their sorority and
what you're graduated.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, let's go from oldest to youngest.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, we'll shark gravy time.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
My name is Kathy mccaulliffe and I went to Oregon
State and graduated in nineteen sixty eight, and I was
a pie bya Phi.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm Megan and I graduated from University of San Diego
in nineteen ninety seven and I was an Alpha Fi.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm Lauren.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I went to TCU and I was a Fada and
I graduated in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm Taylor and I also went to TCU. I graduated
this year twenty twenty six, and I was a Sigma Kappa.
I'm Sarah and I'm also a Sigma Kappa. Yay, Okay,
let's dive into it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
What made each of you choose.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Your sorority or what made you favorite over others during
rush my school with there were only three sororities, so
they were pretty distinguished with their only being three.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They all kind of had a different reputation and a
different kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And I could tell from the beginning. We didn't rush
until part way through freshman year after Christmas break, so
you really had those three months to get to know
the different personalities of houses. So I was pretty confident
that I would want to be an alpha fee if
it was mutual, and so that's kind of how it
worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's Suice Grammy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I would say, going to the parties that they had,
it really mattered who you talk to, you know. And
in my sorority there were some of the older class
mates and they were really impressive, and I think that
(02:24):
had a lot to do. And I don't think I
really knew anyone before I joined the house.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, I think for me, it was pretty obviously where
I wanted to go, having a sister at my school,
and also like in authority that I already liked. I
felt like knowing her friends and stuff after visiting so
many times made me really favor the sorority. And then
when I went through Rush, seeing all the other ones
was obviously really important. But I think that going into it,
I kind of knew what I wanted, and coming out
(02:53):
of it, I got what I wanted, and so I
was fortunate enough to join the same Southrity. But I
think I kind of always had a feeling that it
might be I joined Sigma Kappa because I felt like
the conversations with the girls were just the easiest and
I always just had a good time when I was
in there, and I didn't feel stressed or not like myself. Yeah,
(03:16):
I feel like I had a similar feeling when I
went into Theta and I talked to all those girls
during Rush, and I kind of similar to what you said, like,
I just thought everyone was so impressive and I was like,
these are people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I would want to surround myself with.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Right, And so it really came down to just that,
how did you handle some of the houses that you
did like but got dropped from during Rush.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I didn't really have that because of it there only
being three it's sort of it was only three different Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's intense there in Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Was it hard to watch us go through that and
then I dropped by.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Houses that we liked, Yes, because I think sometimes you
were blindsided, like you'd feel like it went really well
and then the next day there'd be that cut and
it was it's just kind of jarring totally, and then
you have to just hang in there and stay positive
and keep moving forward.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Really, and I think about it takes a lot out
of you. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think it's definitely difficult when you go from having
like thirteen houses to what does it get cut to
you nine? Yeah, and then the six and then to
three and then you get your house. So I feel
like it really is just like a lot of mental
strain on you. But you just like have to show
up your best adverts, yeah, or else that could cost
(04:37):
you the next house.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah. So true.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Do you feel like going into Rush, like after having
an older sister go through Rush, it like changed your
perception of the houses when you went in.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I think you told me like a lot of the
stereotypes for each one, So I definitely had a lot
of preconceived notions, which was maybe positive.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, but yeah, for sure, I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I remember, like the summer before I rushed, Taylor would
try to like keep stuff away from me, just to
not like sway my opinions too much because she knew that,
like she knew a lot of them, like a lot
about all of them, and it kind of like made
her rush experience a little different than someone who like
would go in knowing nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So Taylor like didn't tell me as much.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Which I think was good because I did like have
time to like figure things out on my own. But
I think going and knowing information rather than knowing nothing
was like definitely very helpful.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I'm really grateful that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I had like someone to look up to and like
someone to tell me about like what was ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, what about your grammy? Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I don't remember it, honestly, I'm not sure if they
made certain cuts, you know, like Taylor was.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Mentioning.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Uh, So I don't really remember that part.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Did you feel any pressure to join a specific house
from family or friends that had been in sororities before you?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's a good question.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I didn't, maybe friends because my roommates were going for
the same house as me, and I wonder if that
kind of swayed me because we were really close by then,
and I wanted to spend the rest of the three
and a half years of college with those friends. So
I do think in some ways it was a little
bit of a group decision.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think for me going into Rush, having
two sisters had already gone through Rush and had gone
through my same school definitely like swayed me to like
those sororities and also like feel pressure to maybe like
try harder in them.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So like going in I.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Never got Theta, which is which is the same, but
like both whatever, now either of us such a scandal
pretty interesting, but it turned out okay. And then I
obviously got Sigma Kappa, and then I would go to
the other houses and like have ones that I liked,
but then obviously like thinking about how fun it would
be if I went the same house as my sister.
(06:59):
That was like I would have a whole year with
her in the same sulready and not the same school.
That was like definitely like a weighing factor into how
much I wanted to be in it, And I think
it turned out great because we had like formals together
and like so much fun stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What about you Green, My mom was a pid fact,
Yeah she dad was a doubt. She was a pide fact.
So so I think you know that was definitely in
my head.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Mom. That's cool, it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Do you think each person in here ended up in
the right house for them? I genuinely do I did,
So I don't know, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't think I did. Yeah, I don't. I definitely
don't think I did. Yeah, I think I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
There were so many different factors that played into it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Having my first rush.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Bea COVID and then it didn't really go great, and
then I re rushed and ended up in DATA.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm glad that I went DATA.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I liked it a lot, but ultimately I just felt
like being in a younger pledge class, and then everyone
my age being in the pledge class above me, I
didn't have the same opportunities to.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Make friends and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And then once I got in there, I kind of
realized that I don't know, just most of my friends
were outside of my sorority in college. Yeah, I think
there could have been like a better fit for you,
and I'd never like there was maybe, but I don't
even know which house it would have been. I also
just don't.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Know how much I fit into like sorority life. Yeah,
like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Once I was in it, I was like, oh, this
is it. Yeah, did any of you almost not rush?
And how would that have altered your.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Life had you not rushed? I think we all were
pretty set.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I knew I wanted to just from Grammy's experiences. Yeah,
I knew that I wanted to for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I always knew I wanted to as well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I thought about not rushing, but I think, like having
clearly like my whole lineagewer, I was like I kind
of want to and like I'll kind of just do
it for fun. And then I went into it not
being serious about it, which I think really helped the
process and I think it ended up good and I'm
glad I did it. I think I was way more
serious about it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, hurt the process, yea.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I was like, oh, everybody I know, like all the
women in my life have been in sororities. I need
to make this work, even if it's not something that
I don't even thought. I don't even think I thought
about if I wanted it or not. Yeah. I think
I was just like, oh, this is something you you're
supposed to yeah, yeah, And so I went into it
and I was like, I gotta get it done. And
then I was like overly serious about it. Was there
(09:33):
a specific conversation, moment or person that made you feel
like you belonged in your house.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Probably like at PREF. You know, once theys down to
PREF and you have actual, like substance conversations with people
and you really are connecting. I think that's the first
point where I felt that connection.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, there was a girl that I talked to that's
from our hometown, Rush, and I think she kind of
gave me a lot of clarity and I could relate
to her a lot because we had the same experience
growing up and then we're headed to or I was
headed to the same school as her. So I feel
like that was a really meaningful conversation for me looking back,
(10:16):
and just made me feel like I could really resonate
with the sorority. I remember, I think it was the
first or second round, so it was.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Pretty early on, but.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The first or second time I wanted to Sigma Kappa.
I talked to a girl that was like from same
as us, like the same coast, like near us where
we're from, and she ended up being my big but
we had a conversation about just like really similar interests,
and she just made me feel so comfortable because she
was also just so like relaxed and like authentic, and
(10:46):
I think that really made me feel at home. And
then I continued to meet such amazing girls in my sorority,
and then I ended up going that one and now
she's my big so and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Gets back to you to talk. Yeah, I gets who
much just together didn't happen? That's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, well I always heard about Fi FI from my mom.
Yeah yeah, and so I really think that did have
something to do with it. I'm just so glad that
I joined because it was a really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Good fit for me. Yeah what college did Grammantine? She
went Insteady, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Is there a house that you almost joined that would
have completely changed your experience?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I didn't know it at the time, but if I
had gone a certain other one, I wouldn't have fit in.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, I agree, there was definitely one that I really wanted,
but looking back, I'm so glad that I wasn't in it.
I was in between two until pref and a girl
from our hometown that's older talk to me a lot
while I was there, and like I was, I felt
pretty at home there too, and like a lot of
my friends were going that sorty that I'm not really on.
(12:01):
So it was kind of hard to choose between the two.
But I think like ultimately having my sister in one
and having all these other amazing people that I met
and one like ended up meet going sidne Kappa. But
I was actually very close to going another.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
One in going a different direction. If I had stuck
with Rush freshman year, I would have been in a
house that I really did.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm a lot, but I was kind of glad that
I was like, no, this is not for me.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Try to get next year.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, did you ever witness a girl or someone that
you knew have a complete breakdown during Rush week?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Or was that you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was making that's a lot of girls cry. It's
so many tears. Yeah, so many tears. Gets so emotional.
It gets very emotional, especially like the further along it goes. Yeah,
I definitely saw like I had to console a few
of my friends, but nothing too crazy. There was like
a few Like I looked by the bathroom one time,
someone was like actually screaming, and I was like, are
you okay? But let's like, I think it's so intensified
(13:03):
because at least that you see, it's the week before school,
and so you just have moved to this new place.
Not even everybody has moved on the campus yet. It's
just the girls who are rushing, and so it's so
amplified because you're just only around other people who are rushing.
You're in this new environment. It's like I've been competitive,
made friends. Yeah, it is a little competitive, and.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's just emotions are hot. You're just thrown into this
like crazy and exhausted.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh my god, and it's so hot, so long outside.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What is the shadiest thing you saw happen behind the scenes?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think us not getting FATA, like what was up
that was still to this day, I don't know fish.
It was so sauce.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, And I think my program, who I found out
was a THEYDA tuttle tales on the fact that I
said I didn't want to go the same one as
my sister and I wanted to do my own thing. Yeah,
so I do think she was, because otherwise I don't
know why you wouldn't have got it exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I think that was pretty shady. I think so too.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I have no idea why I didn't get it, but
everything worked out, it did. Is there any dirty Russian
going on?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Not that I recall. No, no, no, Catholic school.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What is the stereotype of your sorority and how true
was it?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
What do you think, Grammy I could be positive or day? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
No, I think there were a lot of really pretty
girls in there, and I think it might have had
something to do with the reputation, you know, and but
nice girls too and smart girls, and you know, I
was really happy with my choice.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Mine was I would say, like the damn to earth
kind of girls, like not the most partiers or going
out or dressed up or that kind of thing. It
was more like down to earth And I liked that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's cool. Yeah, that's great. Sarahize is the party girl. Yeah,
we are the posts.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
A lot of the like my PC of like frats
would say that they love sk because like we're just
so fun.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But also I think a lot of people know that
we were hard and play hard because we're thirty and
grades totally. Yeah, we did get thirty grades this year,
And I think that's very true because everyone I know
is super smart but can also have a really good time.
Everyone I know was like very leadership oriented in sk
and I think it's just kind of like well rounded people.
(15:51):
Mine was always talking in grades, and so I think
that people thought that we might have struggled to have fun,
but we had a lot of fun and Ring by
Span like ring by Spray all, and that was pretty
true because every chapter we would have to do that
ring ceremony when somebody gauji aged. You have to pass
it around in the circle and sing the song and
(16:11):
then they tell the whole story of their engagement and
then suddenly chapter is two and a half hours, and
we did a lot of that, So I would say
the Ring by.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Spring stereotype was pretty true.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Was there a moment where you thought you were gonna
get cut from your top choice and.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What did that feel like? I was pretty confident.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I just like talked about it so much like with
my rogam and with like a couple other people's rogams,
Like I'd just like be in a scenario where I
would be talking to mine and then I would get
in a conversation with all of them and start talking
about like how I felt really confident and I was
kind of scared I was getting over confident and that
like that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Would maybe spoil my chances.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I definitely thought like my big mouth would like
maybe get me in trouble.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
But I think that's really the only one that I thought,
like anything could go wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think I would get worried just because I was
in my own head, not because anything was actually, but
I think I would just think about it so much
and I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna get caught.
And then I don't know your mind just like, yeah,
I play stricks on you totally.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I would say that, yeah, And that was like me too,
you really never know. I really worried about everything. And
it was the beginning of school too, so you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And then you look back and you're like, oh, why
was I so worried about that?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It works out well, people always say, and I do
honestly think it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
In the case of sorority rash.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You have to trust the process because it is such
an interesting process and it's like you really you have
to just trust it and see it through and it
usually works out, but it's not. Maybe you know what
you expected, but it has weird ways of working out.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's never very Yeah, I agree, you really have to
let go of the right to just let it happen.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Do you think that that's your biggest piece of advice
to anybody who would be Russian?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yes, And it sounds cliche, but unless you go through it,
you don't even understand.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You just have to trust it. So yeah, because the.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Way that things are tallied and all of that is Yeah,
because there's so much on the back end that you're
just never gonna understand as a P and M or
like a rushie and so kind of just leaning into.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The process, I feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The best way to go about it. I agree with that.
I think like watching so many of my friends at
like harsher More southern schools where it's just like super cutthroat,
was really interesting because they would get like super distraught
if they had a house that they thought they really
liked and like thought that it was like both sided
like this already liked them too, and they would get
cut and then now seeing them in their sorty that
(18:51):
they ended up in, Like they're so happy. So I
think it's just like everything works out in the weirdest ways.
But to really just like keep showing up and just
like put your best face on it, it's like the
only thing you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Also, I think if you have something in mind that
you're super stuck on, I think it's really important to
just have an open mind and experience different houses because
sometimes they can surprise you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, okay. Last question is for Grammy.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
How do you think, based on hearing about all of
our experiences generationally, how do you think that rush has changed?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And would you want to rush if you were us?
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know if I would rush, you know, but
I did enjoy it very much. We couldn't move in
until our sophomore year. Oh yeah, yeah, so just three years.
And I have remained friends with those girls for so long.
So in fact, I just had lunch with one of
the last week and we're talking about going up to
(19:59):
Portland to meet with a couple other girls. So yeah,
but I don't think I could beat what happened yeaheah
the last time. So there was nothing negative about.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It, okay perfect. So that's it for this episode of
Dirty Rush. Make sure you follow us on Instagram and
TikTok at Dirty Rush Podcast so you don't miss new episodes,
exclusive clips, and more.
Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
your hosts me Gia Judaice, Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
Welcome back to a very special episode of Dirty Rush. Today,
we are speaking with my family, three generations of sorority
(00:22):
women who are here to compare and contrast their sorority experiences.
My name is Lauren, and I will be hosting the conversation.
And does everybody want to introduce themself, their sorority and
what you're graduated.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, let's go from oldest to youngest.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, we'll shark gravy time.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
My name is Kathy mccaulliffe and I went to Oregon
State and graduated in nineteen sixty eight, and I was
a pie bya Phi.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm Megan and I graduated from University of San Diego
in nineteen ninety seven and I was an Alpha Fi.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm Lauren.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I went to TCU and I was a Fada and
I graduated in.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm Taylor and I also went to TCU. I graduated
this year twenty twenty six, and I was a Sigma Kappa.
I'm Sarah and I'm also a Sigma Kappa. Yay, Okay,
let's dive into it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
What made each of you choose.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Your sorority or what made you favorite over others during
rush my school with there were only three sororities, so
they were pretty distinguished with their only being three.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
They all kind of had a different reputation and a
different kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And I could tell from the beginning. We didn't rush
until part way through freshman year after Christmas break, so
you really had those three months to get to know
the different personalities of houses. So I was pretty confident
that I would want to be an alpha fee if
it was mutual, and so that's kind of how it
worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's Suice Grammy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I would say, going to the parties that they had,
it really mattered who you talk to, you know. And
in my sorority there were some of the older class
mates and they were really impressive, and I think that
(02:24):
had a lot to do. And I don't think I
really knew anyone before I joined the house.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, I think for me, it was pretty obviously where
I wanted to go, having a sister at my school,
and also like in authority that I already liked. I
felt like knowing her friends and stuff after visiting so
many times made me really favor the sorority. And then
when I went through Rush, seeing all the other ones
was obviously really important. But I think that going into it,
I kind of knew what I wanted, and coming out
(02:53):
of it, I got what I wanted, and so I
was fortunate enough to join the same Southrity. But I
think I kind of always had a feeling that it
might be I joined Sigma Kappa because I felt like
the conversations with the girls were just the easiest and
I always just had a good time when I was
in there, and I didn't feel stressed or not like myself. Yeah,
(03:16):
I feel like I had a similar feeling when I
went into Theta and I talked to all those girls
during Rush, and I kind of similar to what you said, like,
I just thought everyone was so impressive and I was like,
these are people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I would want to surround myself with.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Right, And so it really came down to just that,
how did you handle some of the houses that you
did like but got dropped from during Rush.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I didn't really have that because of it there only
being three it's sort of it was only three different Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's intense there in Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Was it hard to watch us go through that and
then I dropped by.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Houses that we liked, Yes, because I think sometimes you
were blindsided, like you'd feel like it went really well
and then the next day there'd be that cut and
it was it's just kind of jarring totally, and then
you have to just hang in there and stay positive
and keep moving forward.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Really, and I think about it takes a lot out
of you. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think it's definitely difficult when you go from having
like thirteen houses to what does it get cut to
you nine? Yeah, and then the six and then to
three and then you get your house. So I feel
like it really is just like a lot of mental
strain on you. But you just like have to show
up your best adverts, yeah, or else that could cost
(04:37):
you the next house.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah. So true.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Do you feel like going into Rush, like after having
an older sister go through Rush, it like changed your
perception of the houses when you went in.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I think you told me like a lot of the
stereotypes for each one, So I definitely had a lot
of preconceived notions, which was maybe positive.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, but yeah, for sure, I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I remember, like the summer before I rushed, Taylor would
try to like keep stuff away from me, just to
not like sway my opinions too much because she knew that,
like she knew a lot of them, like a lot
about all of them, and it kind of like made
her rush experience a little different than someone who like
would go in knowing nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So Taylor like didn't tell me as much.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Which I think was good because I did like have
time to like figure things out on my own. But
I think going and knowing information rather than knowing nothing
was like definitely very helpful.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I'm really grateful that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I had like someone to look up to and like
someone to tell me about like what was ahead of me.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, what about your grammy? Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I don't remember it, honestly, I'm not sure if they
made certain cuts, you know, like Taylor was.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Mentioning.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Uh, So I don't really remember that part.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Did you feel any pressure to join a specific house
from family or friends that had been in sororities before you?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's a good question.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I didn't, maybe friends because my roommates were going for
the same house as me, and I wonder if that
kind of swayed me because we were really close by then,
and I wanted to spend the rest of the three
and a half years of college with those friends. So
I do think in some ways it was a little
bit of a group decision.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think for me going into Rush, having
two sisters had already gone through Rush and had gone
through my same school definitely like swayed me to like
those sororities and also like feel pressure to maybe like
try harder in them.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So like going in I.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Never got Theta, which is which is the same, but
like both whatever, now either of us such a scandal
pretty interesting, but it turned out okay. And then I
obviously got Sigma Kappa, and then I would go to
the other houses and like have ones that I liked,
but then obviously like thinking about how fun it would
be if I went the same house as my sister.
(06:59):
That was like I would have a whole year with
her in the same sulready and not the same school.
That was like definitely like a weighing factor into how
much I wanted to be in it, And I think
it turned out great because we had like formals together
and like so much fun stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
What about you Green, My mom was a pid fact,
Yeah she dad was a doubt. She was a pide fact.
So so I think you know that was definitely in
my head.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Mom. That's cool, it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Do you think each person in here ended up in
the right house for them? I genuinely do I did,
So I don't know, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't think I did. Yeah, I don't. I definitely
don't think I did. Yeah, I think I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
There were so many different factors that played into it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Having my first rush.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Bea COVID and then it didn't really go great, and
then I re rushed and ended up in DATA.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm glad that I went DATA.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I liked it a lot, but ultimately I just felt
like being in a younger pledge class, and then everyone
my age being in the pledge class above me, I
didn't have the same opportunities to.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Make friends and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And then once I got in there, I kind of
realized that I don't know, just most of my friends
were outside of my sorority in college. Yeah, I think
there could have been like a better fit for you,
and I'd never like there was maybe, but I don't
even know which house it would have been. I also
just don't.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Know how much I fit into like sorority life. Yeah,
like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Once I was in it, I was like, oh, this
is it. Yeah, did any of you almost not rush?
And how would that have altered your.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Life had you not rushed? I think we all were
pretty set.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I knew I wanted to just from Grammy's experiences. Yeah,
I knew that I wanted to for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I always knew I wanted to as well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I thought about not rushing, but I think, like having
clearly like my whole lineagewer, I was like I kind
of want to and like I'll kind of just do
it for fun. And then I went into it not
being serious about it, which I think really helped the
process and I think it ended up good and I'm
glad I did it. I think I was way more
serious about it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, hurt the process, yea.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I was like, oh, everybody I know, like all the
women in my life have been in sororities. I need
to make this work, even if it's not something that
I don't even thought. I don't even think I thought
about if I wanted it or not. Yeah. I think
I was just like, oh, this is something you you're
supposed to yeah, yeah, And so I went into it
and I was like, I gotta get it done. And
then I was like overly serious about it. Was there
(09:33):
a specific conversation, moment or person that made you feel
like you belonged in your house.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Probably like at PREF. You know, once theys down to
PREF and you have actual, like substance conversations with people
and you really are connecting. I think that's the first
point where I felt that connection.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, there was a girl that I talked to that's
from our hometown, Rush, and I think she kind of
gave me a lot of clarity and I could relate
to her a lot because we had the same experience
growing up and then we're headed to or I was
headed to the same school as her. So I feel
like that was a really meaningful conversation for me looking back,
(10:16):
and just made me feel like I could really resonate
with the sorority. I remember, I think it was the
first or second round, so it was.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Pretty early on, but.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The first or second time I wanted to Sigma Kappa.
I talked to a girl that was like from same
as us, like the same coast, like near us where
we're from, and she ended up being my big but
we had a conversation about just like really similar interests,
and she just made me feel so comfortable because she
was also just so like relaxed and like authentic, and
(10:46):
I think that really made me feel at home. And
then I continued to meet such amazing girls in my sorority,
and then I ended up going that one and now
she's my big so and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Gets back to you to talk. Yeah, I gets who
much just together didn't happen? That's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, well I always heard about Fi FI from my mom.
Yeah yeah, and so I really think that did have
something to do with it. I'm just so glad that
I joined because it was a really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Good fit for me. Yeah what college did Grammantine? She
went Insteady, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Is there a house that you almost joined that would
have completely changed your experience?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I didn't know it at the time, but if I
had gone a certain other one, I wouldn't have fit in.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, I agree, there was definitely one that I really wanted,
but looking back, I'm so glad that I wasn't in it.
I was in between two until pref and a girl
from our hometown that's older talk to me a lot
while I was there, and like I was, I felt
pretty at home there too, and like a lot of
my friends were going that sorty that I'm not really on.
(12:01):
So it was kind of hard to choose between the two.
But I think like ultimately having my sister in one
and having all these other amazing people that I met
and one like ended up meet going sidne Kappa. But
I was actually very close to going another.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
One in going a different direction. If I had stuck
with Rush freshman year, I would have been in a
house that I really did.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm a lot, but I was kind of glad that
I was like, no, this is not for me.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Try to get next year.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, did you ever witness a girl or someone that
you knew have a complete breakdown during Rush week?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Or was that you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was making that's a lot of girls cry. It's
so many tears. Yeah, so many tears. Gets so emotional.
It gets very emotional, especially like the further along it goes. Yeah,
I definitely saw like I had to console a few
of my friends, but nothing too crazy. There was like
a few Like I looked by the bathroom one time,
someone was like actually screaming, and I was like, are
you okay? But let's like, I think it's so intensified
(13:03):
because at least that you see, it's the week before school,
and so you just have moved to this new place.
Not even everybody has moved on the campus yet. It's
just the girls who are rushing, and so it's so
amplified because you're just only around other people who are rushing.
You're in this new environment. It's like I've been competitive,
made friends. Yeah, it is a little competitive, and.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's just emotions are hot. You're just thrown into this
like crazy and exhausted.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh my god, and it's so hot, so long outside.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
What is the shadiest thing you saw happen behind the scenes?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think us not getting FATA, like what was up
that was still to this day, I don't know fish.
It was so sauce.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, And I think my program, who I found out
was a THEYDA tuttle tales on the fact that I
said I didn't want to go the same one as
my sister and I wanted to do my own thing. Yeah,
so I do think she was, because otherwise I don't
know why you wouldn't have got it exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I think that was pretty shady. I think so too.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I have no idea why I didn't get it, but
everything worked out, it did. Is there any dirty Russian
going on?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Not that I recall. No, no, no, Catholic school.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What is the stereotype of your sorority and how true
was it?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
What do you think, Grammy I could be positive or day? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
No, I think there were a lot of really pretty
girls in there, and I think it might have had
something to do with the reputation, you know, and but
nice girls too and smart girls, and you know, I
was really happy with my choice.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Mine was I would say, like the damn to earth
kind of girls, like not the most partiers or going
out or dressed up or that kind of thing. It
was more like down to earth And I liked that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's cool. Yeah, that's great. Sarahize is the party girl. Yeah,
we are the posts.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
A lot of the like my PC of like frats
would say that they love sk because like we're just
so fun.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But also I think a lot of people know that
we were hard and play hard because we're thirty and
grades totally. Yeah, we did get thirty grades this year,
And I think that's very true because everyone I know
is super smart but can also have a really good time.
Everyone I know was like very leadership oriented in sk
and I think it's just kind of like well rounded people.
(15:51):
Mine was always talking in grades, and so I think
that people thought that we might have struggled to have fun,
but we had a lot of fun and Ring by
Span like ring by Spray all, and that was pretty
true because every chapter we would have to do that
ring ceremony when somebody gauji aged. You have to pass
it around in the circle and sing the song and
(16:11):
then they tell the whole story of their engagement and
then suddenly chapter is two and a half hours, and
we did a lot of that, So I would say
the Ring by.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Spring stereotype was pretty true.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Was there a moment where you thought you were gonna
get cut from your top choice and.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What did that feel like? I was pretty confident.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I just like talked about it so much like with
my rogam and with like a couple other people's rogams,
Like I'd just like be in a scenario where I
would be talking to mine and then I would get
in a conversation with all of them and start talking
about like how I felt really confident and I was
kind of scared I was getting over confident and that
like that.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Would maybe spoil my chances.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I definitely thought like my big mouth would like
maybe get me in trouble.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
But I think that's really the only one that I thought,
like anything could go wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think I would get worried just because I was
in my own head, not because anything was actually, but
I think I would just think about it so much
and I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna get caught.
And then I don't know your mind just like, yeah,
I play stricks on you totally.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I would say that, yeah, And that was like me too,
you really never know. I really worried about everything. And
it was the beginning of school too, so you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And then you look back and you're like, oh, why
was I so worried about that?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It works out well, people always say, and I do
honestly think it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
In the case of sorority rash.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You have to trust the process because it is such
an interesting process and it's like you really you have
to just trust it and see it through and it
usually works out, but it's not. Maybe you know what
you expected, but it has weird ways of working out.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's never very Yeah, I agree, you really have to
let go of the right to just let it happen.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Do you think that that's your biggest piece of advice
to anybody who would be Russian?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yes, And it sounds cliche, but unless you go through it,
you don't even understand.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You just have to trust it. So yeah, because the.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Way that things are tallied and all of that is Yeah,
because there's so much on the back end that you're
just never gonna understand as a P and M or
like a rushie and so kind of just leaning into.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The process, I feel like it's.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The best way to go about it. I agree with that.
I think like watching so many of my friends at
like harsher More southern schools where it's just like super cutthroat,
was really interesting because they would get like super distraught
if they had a house that they thought they really
liked and like thought that it was like both sided
like this already liked them too, and they would get
cut and then now seeing them in their sorty that
(18:51):
they ended up in, Like they're so happy. So I
think it's just like everything works out in the weirdest ways.
But to really just like keep showing up and just
like put your best face on it, it's like the
only thing you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Also, I think if you have something in mind that
you're super stuck on, I think it's really important to
just have an open mind and experience different houses because
sometimes they can surprise you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, okay. Last question is for Grammy.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
How do you think, based on hearing about all of
our experiences generationally, how do you think that rush has changed?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And would you want to rush if you were us?
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know if I would rush, you know, but
I did enjoy it very much. We couldn't move in
until our sophomore year. Oh yeah, yeah, so just three years.
And I have remained friends with those girls for so long.
So in fact, I just had lunch with one of
the last week and we're talking about going up to
(19:59):
Portland to meet with a couple other girls. So yeah,
but I don't think I could beat what happened yeaheah
the last time. So there was nothing negative about.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It, okay perfect. So that's it for this episode of
Dirty Rush. Make sure you follow us on Instagram and
TikTok at Dirty Rush Podcast so you don't miss new episodes,
exclusive clips, and more.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Hey Jonas!
Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.
Betrayal Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.