Episode 494 w/ Ray Daniels

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
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Speaker 6 (00:48):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
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host today? Yo? We have a co host today? This
is this is an all are you finn? He he?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
My name graf baby? That's right?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
And what's the name of the oh? The members on
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
DJ ain't grab only show.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
But this brother here that we got today, thank you.
I'm gonna be honest with you. He has been an
industry inside. He has been giving y'all game.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Beyond game, beyond game beyond game.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
I know a lot of y'all people might think, you know,
you know, sometimes if you if the person is not
in front of the camera, the person thinks that the person.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Is capped or or they're like, oh, okay, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I know this brother right right right.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
I know how much he's worked, has he put in,
I know how much the industry respects him. So today
we are gonna give this brother his flowers. He is
going to receive exactly what y'all don't know about him
in the industry. And I'm gonna we are personally gonna

(02:09):
give this brother his flowers he deserves. He's a he's
a legend, he's an icon, he's a and we're gonna continue.
We're gonna we're gonna make sure that he get his
fucking flower today because I know who hold on, let

(02:29):
me let me get right now.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
I know exactly who you are.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Now I look at your comments and people are like, okay,
So a lot of times people don't understand that being
in front of the camera sometimes it is not as
important to being behind the camera. Right, So I credit
people like you, like you you were behind the camera,

(02:59):
but you would like campaign for me being in front
of the camera.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're advocates for the artist.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Advocates for the artists, and so a lot of times
when I see I see you fire like a motherfucker
and I'm looking and I gotta defend you because I'm like, no, he's.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Really yeah, it's really so I be like, he's really
like that.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
He's really like the inside And a lot of people
don't know that because it wasn't cool back then to
be in front of the camera.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
So let's let's take it from there.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
Well, first of all, I just want to tell you
thank you man.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I want to know
it something so like I don't think people understand. Like
number one, I'm in the music business full time. This
podcast thing is like a side thing that it's like
a passion for me. So when I'm out and about
and I see people, it's always interesting. So no bullshit,
Like I knew it is a Virgo by the way,
the two biggest, two of the biggest three podcasts with Virgos,

(03:58):
Joe Budden and Norris.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
I always like, I'm like I'm coming.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm like, I see I start walking through the BT
Awards and I just see Nori, and he stopped me, like, yo, bro,
I would have made a video on my Instagram like
God is real.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Yes, that's how serious.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I was like yo, because I mean, I want to fly.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm just going I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm like, yo,
Nori know me. I'm telling y'all the biggest podcast to
know me. He said, my name, ship's real.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I don't to let you know that.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
So when I got to call it.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
From drink, I said, Valentine's Day on my wife. This
is what I know. You're a warrior.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
I deliberately said, this is the day before Valentine's Day.
I deliberately said that to what's man, big d the
weather man, I said, I said, yo, this is the
day before Valentine's Day because me, you know, I'm scared
of my wife.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
And I said that. But yo, but let me just
tell you something. You have online created a whole different,
a whole different.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't want to say character because it's I know
who you are, but.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
These people follow you, and so so let's let's let
let's just take it from there, right, let's take it. Uh,
there's so many people that want to crack into this
industry and you talk to them, so let let's talk well,
because when you want to be in this is like
a dream, right. And I remember coming up, you know,
I remember my first person I called this guy in
Timmy Allen.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
I remember not knowing how to ask for him, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Like you know, you get somebody number, but I don't know,
say is this miss Norrie Good. I'm like, hey, is
this Timmy Allen? And he was like, who is this?
I saw like a bill collector. So once I got
his name and I started understanding. It was like David
Gaffer said on this documentary, I saw people bullshit when
I seen people around tim getting money in bullshit, and
I said, I could do that. But I worked at Delta,
so I know niggas and I'm a nigga.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yes, nigga.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I worked at Delta. A lot of niggas have my
name and the phone as Ray from Delta for my
first five years because I knew niggas.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Wanted to I.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Was running the bags, nigga.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So you know, when you're going to Atlanta and you
got you going to Atlanta to Miami and you going
through New York. I was a nigga, I got your
plane and put it on Miami plane.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
I was a nigga that put it this. I was
working at Delto.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Still a niggas work.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Huh yeah, No, I ain't gonna lie man. I wasn't
ship my whole life. That's what I love the most
about you. No, let me tell you why. That sounds crazy,
but I.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Want to tell me what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
When I watched Nori talk, Nori is just being Nori,
like you became popular being yourself.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Like. We came up in the industry where you gotta
talk a certain way, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
As Nord don't do that. And I'm watching Norri say
ship do Ship. I'm like, and it works. So I'm like, nigga,
we living in the new world. It's not it's not
the old world. And more like niggas have to leave
from the front. I remember, I remember coming up.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
In the business.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
You wanted to know Shakir Stewart. You wanted him to
know your name. You wanted Kate p to know your name.
They wanted Chris Hicks, they knew your name. That means
you could eat in this business.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
So we want I remember.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
When I came into the business, and I'm thinking, like
I'm finally in this shit, and I walking room and
I'm like I'm seeing Ibody's president and nobody gave a fuck.
It was like I'm chasing artists now. So I'm like, man,
I remember chasing the motherfuckers is in the game.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
Now I'm trying to get I'm in the game now.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
They're like yo.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm like, yo, graph is hard. Yeah, but EFN got
the numbers, Go get him. But no, but now instead
of me going to Graph, well, I know I could
build what I gotta bill with you because you got
the numbers. So now I got to sell myself to you.
So now I feel lame. Now I'm coming to you
like yep, cause you know I'm only here. It's like
a girl I got to BBL. Once you get the
motherfucking BBL, nigga, I know you're on my ass now
because I got a body. It's like, I know why

(07:35):
you're here now because I'm hot.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
But when before that?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So for me, my whole thing was and then I
started noticing how people were just like making money talking
about being in the business.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I'm like, he's not in the.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Business, Like I have the number one songwritter the biggest
starting to run my partner here. We had the number
looking up apt by Bruno, Mars and Rosie. That was
about my nigga were still in this shit every day.
So I see people chose like I'm like, I feel
like a poor man. It was like I'm controlling traffic.
It's like the club. When you wait outside the club,
you see and you know it's a long line, and
that's a trick.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
Sometimes, like hey keep the line, onybody inside.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So I'm a.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Nigga walking out the club like heyo, y'all.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
They tricking y'all. And then I realized nobody listened. Then
it was like, oh ship. So for me, I just
started like putting my ship out there. And like I said,
it was really the industry that embraced me. I didn't
know that people fuck with me. I really cared about Nori.
I really cared about graph, I cared about I didn't
care about regular no disrespect. I don't care about peons.
You don't understand what I'm doing. You don't understand what's
happening behind the scenes. You're just a spectator. So when

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I see Nori and he gave me props, nigga.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
That ship was.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I made it moment. I don't even think when I
saw y'all at the EU, y L think you was
like gonna do the show? I called Mark. I was like,
they said it, man, But I just can't. I just
can't understand why they want to.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Talk to a nigga like me because I'm because I'm still.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Trying to prove myself in this world. But in the
music world, when I walk into these labels, I'm that nigga.
They can't fuck with me. And I'm a legend now
because I got black Ball. So now this is all
people don't understand.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
I got black Ball.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's why I did the podcast.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Yeah, definitely, usually were saying wait till let's go, let's
go right right, Okay.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
So so so two thousands for number one.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm the number one nigg in the game. I'm the
number one nigga at my label. I got all the hits.
We're talking about Corner Records, So I turned in Sweetie Record,
tap In and Sweetie Record best Friend it still hers.
I saw Eilie Chopper, I saw I saw this kid
named Rambo from the West Coast that was making a
lot of noise and I was.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
Like the guy and then see vice president.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Then all of a sudden, the pandemic happens, and then
the CEO does this thing where he does like an
emergency call. And in the music business, they don't make
what Aaron bashuk.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
He's a ceo, he does a he does a call
like everybody get on the call right now fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm thinking when our artist got killed, I'm like, niggas.
Now I'm thinking, like somebody is about to be I'm
like that to begin on, he was like, I just
want to check on the black folks from the George
Floyd thing, and I'm like, nigg what the fuck is this?
And then he goes like any black people on the
call want to speak up about their struggles, and it
was like three hundred of us. Everybody was quiet. So
this is my friend. At least I'm thinking we're friends.

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I wrote them a letter like, YO, it's hard being
black and this shit. I know what you're trying to do,
but it's hard being one of us, so none of
us are going to talk up. And I wrote the
letter and basically I sent it to another black person
at the company, like, YO, I think this would be
good for us all to put our name on it.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
He was like, you on your own.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
By the way, he still got his job, so he
was smarter, right. So I wrote the letter and then
I sent it to Aaron. I didn't send it to
him because they was the lawyer was like, it's a
bad move. So I sent to Larry Jackson. Shout out
to Larry Jackson for Mega that yeah, we're talking about
Helve Jackson.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Apple.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I sent it to Larry and Larry calls me like, yo, Ray,
this letter changed my life.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
I'm like really, And then he said good way, yes.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because he said that he sent it to he had
a deal on the table, a whole lot of money
Apple supposed to giving him. He sent my letter to
the guy at Top Guy and they signed it that day.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's what's up.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
They signed it that day, so he said, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
So they signed it that day. So now Larry is like, yo,
I sent it to this lady at Billboard. They want
to put on a cover Billboard. I'm like, I give
a fuck. I'm a nigga in Atlanta, bro, I'm free.
It's like being a Latino on Miami, Like you can't
funk with me in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'm insulated. You can't get to me.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Nigga, I'm not afraid of white people like most people are, like,
I'm just unafraid of white folks.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
So she was like, I don't want to put.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Your name on this.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I want to put your name on this because I'm afraid.
You know, they're gonna come after you. And I'm like,
who's going to come after me? I'm telling the truth.
I'm just telling the black experience. So I put the
letter out. It's changed my life, it changed my whole career.
I'm literally the number one God. Put the letter out,
which you mean like they put it on the cover billboard, maxilip.
It goes viral, but it's anonymous, right. She didn't want
to put my name, That's what she said. I don't

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want to put your name on it because I'm afraid
people gonna come after you. And I'm like, Nigga, I'm
not afraid of nobody. I'm Everything I do is with
a good heart. I might not always do the right
thing at that time, but my heart was in the.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Best place behind it. So I wrote the letter.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Went atymus.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
It goes crazy.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
It's like they wrote up Dear White It was called
Dear White Execs. They wrote a Dear White exec for
the Disney Company. It was like all these black people
speaking up.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
So now here's what I want to tell everybody in
the world because this is the lesson I learned.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Because I'm a real nick number one.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I wrote the letter and all my white friends, every
white person I knew in the music industry because I
was on fire. When I stepped out and said I
did it, they called me and said they're gonna ask
you for something. They're gonna ask you what you want
get paid. All my niggas, my friends and black friends
are calling me like, Yo, thank you, bro. That was
some hero shit you did. So now I get on
the call with Aaron and the guy at the other

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guy time and they're like, what do you want? And
I said nothing, man, I just want to I didn't
write that.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
That wasn't your intention.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
My That's why I'm okay with the outcome. But my
intent wasn't that. So they was like, what do you want?
I was like, I just want y'all to know how
this is to work with black people, right. And then basically,
now this is when they did me dirty. This is
basically what happens is in the music business. When you're
in the contract and anybody knows this, they give you
six months. So if NOI is my seeing vice president,
I know I'm not gonna sign Norri. I'm gonna let
Norri and his a lawyer know six months out, Yo, Norri,

(12:44):
I ain't getting new contract, bro, Take the next six
months go find some work. That's not what they did
to me. They called me, Yo, don't go nowhere. You're
the best guy we got. I know I am, so
I'm believe in them. They called my lawyer Ray is
our guy. And what they was doing they was lolla
buying me to death to get to the secret. The
two before my contract was up, I'm waiting on a
new contract, thinking I'm still working. Two days before my
contract over, there was like nothing's coming, nigga.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
I went home. That's why I loved Kanye so was.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I went home and I cried every day listening to
the Donda album because I couldn't believe that I put
my I don't I'm already good, bro. I didn't need
to write that letter, but I also felt like it
needed to be said. So once I saw that play out.
I was like, think about my business now. Now I
don't have a job. So what I got to do?

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Call niggas nor I need a job? What Norrie gonna say?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
What happened to you?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
So now I got to explain myself. They put me
on my heels. So I said, I'm smarter than every
nigga over there. I'm better than every hand and I
know how to talk. So somebody asked me a question,
that's how we get my next job? That was literally it.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Graf asked me a question, you're right, what's the difference
to your manager? And an investor asked me, I answered,
put that out. I'm hoping to get a job, nigga,
I'm not even That's why when you acknowledge me, I'm like,
y'all acknowledged I'm not a y' I don't understand, like
I'm really trying to still go run a company right now,
and that's what I'm really made to do. But I
started talking online and all of a sudden, Puff posted
my shit and it just changed everything for me. Puff

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posted me and just left me on his page for
three days. It shouted in for that, I don't care.
I know people like to kill people in they down,
but I'm alway shotting bigga out for change. I'm always
represent a nigga that did something for me. So when
Puff posted me, that's when they're kind of getting hot.
But Nigga, I'm still in the music videits full time,
so I don't even know what I'm really doing on
the podcast space. That's why I was like when Noy
recognized me, I'm like, maybe this is God telling me, yes, nigga, that.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Shit you're doing is working. Le Red calls me yo,
that shit you do.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
But for me, it was weird because I'm like, that's
like a nigga playing basketball his whole career. He the
number one nigga. Now you're trying baseball and everybody like
you're doing good over there. I'm like, nigga, I'm trying
to I'm trying to get paid to play a sport. Though, no,
you look good right there swinging that back. Basketball ain't
your sport. So it's always so it's been that So
when I see people like Nori, when Joe Budden, people
like Wallow that actually like I know you, that shit

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made me feel that shit is like all I needed
from God.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I can relye to you.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
And I wanted to say that to.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Y'all because we all superheroes. We sometimes we don't know.
NOI just being norrid, y'all. I know you, he don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
He made he confirmed what God needed me to hear
that Mom that I'm on the right.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Pal you but you are, thank you.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
So I just want to say that.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
So that's when I started talking online. I was just
talking to hopefully get a job because I'm the best
at doing that.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
But it's like they were scared of me. Nobody called me.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
But I still got more records, I still got more hits.
I and that nigga right there, Tron Thomas had more
hits than everybody on the Warning staff his half since
I left. And I just want to sit it on
And I'm not saying to be disrespected on saying the
thing you would think they would call us.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
They don't.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
They rather fuck with the people who's easy people.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
So let me ask you real quick, do you really
really really think.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
That rock relation? Let's go. I went to Joey Krack
that said, Cole, No, we think that.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
No, this is what I think happened. Because I do podcasts.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I think Joe I think we all talk, you know,
like camera's not rolling, we talk about ideas what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Not before they off camera. Yoant to talk about.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Joe saying something like, y'all really like I really want
to get that cold man, but I know he family.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
You know what I'm saying, so I might chill.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I can see him saying, nah.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
He ain't family like that no more.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Really, because Joe said, I need that hundred million in
my mind. You know this story, you know, you go
to that place in our life, you, not me, not you,
but me and you because you and DJ it's different.
They want to talk to you, but.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
You and me.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
We have to go.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
We have to get in the room.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yo's service is this So when you go and when
Fat Joe says, I don't fuck with j Cole rather
than I fuck with him, Fat Joe is picking Fat
Joe the podcasting. He's not thinking like Fat Joe because
Fat Joe the artist will want the record with Cole,
but Fat Joe so he picked the podcast. So I'm like,
you know, by the way, I think he's amazing. I
think he's he's gonna be so big at it. But
I do believe that somebody said you, I think you

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should because I say shit out loud, and then they.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Be like, I don't think you should say that, or.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think you should.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
You want me to tell me j Cole and Kendrick
could have left to some life death.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Like life deaferent like.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Betwen Cole and Kendrick.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't think that would have gotten that far, not
between them.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
But you're making my point that I'm trying to say.
It's no, no, hear me out. You're making my point.
Is what I'm trying to say is it's never them.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
That's how you're about to say that.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's the people that stand.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
And the people that are standing behind them wants to
make a point that's true and they will kill.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Tupus murderers and Biggie's murderers. Wasn't Biggie.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It was the people that were standing.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
Next to that'm trying to prove themselves.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
So when Jake Cole did that, me, as a black man,
as an artist, I said, no, that's terrible.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Got you. But as a black man.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
That's understood and understands what's going on in society, that
understands that, I.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Agree with j Cole. Bro I did.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
I was like, Yo, he took a stance. Is it popular? Noah,
It's not popular, right No? But what was Tupac's popular.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Was was was was Biggie?

Speaker 6 (18:12):
Like I know, I know all of these guys right
from Biggie and Tupac's murder.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I know him all.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right, I get it. That's real ship.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
So I understand j Cole's.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Back to the Joe part of it though about him
on the podcast even but.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Even but even then, like but even then, like the
way Joe spoke about j Cole was like he was.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
A battle just as an artist, That's what I'm saying.
But you know, and so so hit me out.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
He was looking at me out right as in terms
of hip hop and the culture and battle rapping. Yeah,
he didn't do the right thing. But as a black man,
if he wanted to protect himself or Kenjick, is where
it could it go? I get it as a black man.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
As.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I want to say this, does MC call my name?
I'm ripping your head off.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
But guess what. Guess what, as dot see, you don't
claim no motherfucking nationality, right right.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's if that's true.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
You don't claim that's what if you really.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
Know, I'm sorry. You really appreciate being who we are
and know where it can lead to.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
IM about to say that you got to be prepared
for where it could go because it can always go left,
and to say the truth, the most likely event, because
we got such big egos and be so sensitive about
our art, it most likely it will go left. You
got to be prepared. Don't go let Jacob was going,
we probably knew, like I want to go back to
l A and whatever. He probably he probably just knew.

(19:48):
I'm like, I don't need you want the drama because
I don't need. But like if nobody wants drama, it's stressful.
You don't choose drama just unless you just out.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Of your mind.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
But if it come and you ready to handling situation.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
That MC and him was ready to do some m
C ship but then he saw.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Its like where he is going.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
He read his car.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
He's like, let's I'm with him because I'm not balaning nobody.
Like if me and grabbed that problem, I want to
call him. I don't if he says something.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's how you really.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Felt, really just I'm just too real but human being,
I'm just like yo, like that's why I feel j
Cole because I really think that Drake and Kendrick was
doing this on some fun play ship, like let's do
it for the culture, and it got ugly. He was like,

(20:42):
he was like, you, I don't I don't think.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I do think that they thought it was gonna.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Go that far.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
It was friendly, but I think they were ready for
it to go that far as an m C.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Friendly.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
You're correct too, You're not wrong, but you're not wrong.
But what I'm saying is as there was friends, that
ship was.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Bubbling as they were. It was bubbling, but that's my thing.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
But we did, but they never said it.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
That's I mean when you.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Wasn't Kendricks a freestyle on.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
The BT a ward years ago?

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Wasn't he talking to Drake with all the hogho.

Speaker 9 (21:27):
Ark?

Speaker 7 (21:28):
Let me explain, I got you. That is the MC world.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Bro in the MC world, I hear bars different than
regular people.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I don't think you're talking about nobody. Even when he said,
ain't no big three, it's just big me. I didn't
know until I heard saying we the big three. I'm like,
but that was a direct shot.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
I was a shot. So it's like and the mcs
that know each other, they know they talking and coach
to each other. That's my point.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
So they was taking I went back.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
You say some ship, ain't you. I can't forgive you
for ship. I'm a brog. I can't hold on.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Let me say one thing. I respect every move that
you made. And let me just say this.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
This is me. Y'all can refute me.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
I knew when he engaged into the battle, and then
I knew when he got out of the battle. When
he got out of the battle was I did see
you know the Luxel hotel where Tupac drove off, and
I saw that and for that, you know Tupac, that

(22:43):
was September third, I'm born September sixth.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I always look at that like a downfall for hip hop.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Hip hop hasn't recovered since we have no and hasn't
learned to lessen.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
And hip hop has recovered since the Drake Kendrick thing
either like we can't like we are not a place
where like hip hop is in the worst place ever
because of the giants fought each other. Yes, giants usually have.
It's like you know they are let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
They are correct.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
They rolling out.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
They are rolling loud Friday night, cold, Saturday night, Drake,
Sunday night, Kendrick.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
Think about that. That means that every.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
At the top, you know them little names under all
those little names, benefited from that day.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Because I'm on.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
The same ticket as Kendrick, we don't have none of
that ship no more so, in my opinion, I think
that like I think that it was playing. They thought
it was like doing for the culture. They grew up
in hip hop different. I'm forty six, I'm I was
sixteen with PAWDD, so I grew up knowing how seriously,
I remember watching The Wars when Dre said it, So
I think that they got to this place where they's like, yo,
let's do it for the culture.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Like those other guys there were friends. What the first
what's the worst that could happen?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't think. I don't think that's the way with
it person as a rapper, like, I'm on this side
and y'all.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I would like it to be that.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Let me tell you, because I'm an MC in the
street guy, right, So I look at it in two ways.
I understand why j Cole did what he did, and
I actually I was telling my man this the other day,
the street part of my brain. I wish that Drake
did that in the beginning too. I was the first
say that because I was like, when you battle somebody,
let me tell you what I'm telling you. Why when
you battling somebody in the hip hop shit right, we

(24:25):
street niggas, so we know it could always go left,
and most likely it will. You gotta look at this
scenario and say, is this rap no?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Is this street?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
If it goes too far, can I handle it? Am
I ready for what comes after? The after I put
this this verse out. If you know in the back
of your mind it's a fight that you might not
win or you don't really want to engage in. You
got to play chess and figure out the slick way
to get out of that ship if you're not ready
for that smoke, because she could get physical.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
So I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
This why I look at it different, like I want
to go there.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I'm ready to go all the way.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
The way Drake's taking it, like the seriousness the lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
You think in his mind, he he knew he was gonna.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Do all that going.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
I don't think he thought that he hit me out.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
You go into a.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Battle, now you got to think about how far I'm
willing to go. That's that's why when no, then he said, Carmen,
that was you went too far saying somebody name bro
like it was like you.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I just disagree with that. I don't feel like there's no rules.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Because but you, I'm bad at you and I and
I and I smashed the baby moms.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
That's the first artist by the code. You're wrong that
you can't battle.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
You're wrong, like because yeah, because because in in in
the art of battle, like you.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
It should be art.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
But that's no rules. There's one of them, and then
there's the artists that engage in battling. That's two different worlds.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
That's that's they don't understand the rules.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
That's true when it's a street.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
When it when it came his story and it most
likely will, the rules is gone only rules. There is
no woman in kids in terms of physical ship.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
But if if I'm hadding.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You and I smashed the baby moms.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's going in the first balls.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
I'm sorry, yeah yeah, but starting with that, we had
irv Gotti gonna happen. I love her got the one mean,
but the first four seconds he was saying it was
like I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
But he talked about that's not a battle rap dated.
I'm talking about battle rapout. This is the battle rap No, no, no, no, no,
that was what you So let me tell what I
say something like that.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
You're making it about.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So let me tell you some when you fucking somebody,
that's a secret. No matter what happened, it's a secret.
Like like if I see somebody fucking before, like twenty
years ago, I'm like, we got a secret together.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
We ain't gonna tell nobody.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So he jay, I think with the nazing, the reason
why everybody was now because he bothered him and her relationship.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Well that well, I agree with that's what That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That mean as a human nigga, it's like you we
learned our lessons.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
I don't. I'm just saying I don't think like the
big and pop thing.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Them niggas hate. They they was real war each other went,
it's a battle. They was like, let's do it for
the culture. I think probably got word that many probably
got word that it was going go a little deeper.
It was like, you know what both of your niggas
my friends. I'm a chill and he chilled.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
But I think, like I think Cole probably chilled in
my opinion because it's not got spoken about it. But
I think he chilled because he realized what could it
was the raifications of the ship and the stress that
beef and general brings. It's nobody wants.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I don't think that was beef, though I thought it
was about It wasn't beef.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
It could go with him again, I don't think it
was beef.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
But where it could go, but we could go, is
that's what I mean. I think he sold like this
can get ugly and I don't want that. I'm friends
with this man in real life. I don't want it
to go where it could go, and it might go.
He might know what he's he will in the right
he was like, damn what the sun stated this back?
I gotta pay this back.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
They could go left. I mean, in two seconds, it
almost felt like two artists that grew up seeing what
happened to Big Park right and said we could take
it that far, but not that far exactly what you
got like that learned the lesson, I think, and I
think that they probably said we ain't gonna hurt each other,
but I might say some motherfucking words you want gonna
like today. And when he says pedophile, Drake is like, hold.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
On, brother, he went too fucking far now with probably friends.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
That's that.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
That is no longer a joke. You're no longer joking
on me, bro, you went too far by calling me.
That is different.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And he said, I'm not your fucking friend anymore. And
that's what happened. I don't think he said I'm assuming universal.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Because y'all are letting him say this like he don't understand.
It was a joke. It was just how we talk
in the streets.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
But then it't start say he beat. I'm trying to
tell you, yo that the battle rap brain, there's no
rules in war. Niggas is not playing nice.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
And Drake is a fan of battle.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
And if I was about to tell you he's missing
his Drake nor Kendrake nor j call the battle rappers.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
They are artists that can really rap.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
And they know they soul.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
They are.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Realized that Drake is a big fan of battle. It
is impossible would Drink to be a battle rapper. What
way he's got here right now?

Speaker 10 (28:53):
He started when he's acting right now, he's not a
battle rapper. Well, I said that that was that personally,
that's not battle rap. Battle rap is you touch me,
you up, you say whatever you want, say whatever you want.
Care but this nigga taking it personal. I'm telling you
he's taking.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
It personal because that was really his friend and he
was like, Bro, you took it too far.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Man. That's how they talk, like like bros.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Okay, listen.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
But he got that top drink. I'm like, there's some
ship right now.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm telling ship right now.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Is in let's go.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
No, No, I'm gonna be honest. I love I love
Drake and.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Jack's battle. We're being honest too. This this is might
have been the best battle.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
That was a good yeah period period both Kevin, especially
when they were going back and forth dropping songs by
the hour.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I was like this, bro, Bro, that was the peak
of hip hop. That was to me. It was like.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
That we saw on social media as well. In the
real time. For my birthday.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
I'm in Vegas my birthday and my son calls me.
It's twelve.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
It's nine o'clock our time.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
He's sixteen.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Dad.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You hear Drake, Drake your drop because my son is
a Drake staying he likes you, you can't tell him ship.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
He thinks Drake is gone, like you need a record
drink drop And I'm.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like, so you need some doctor. See your son, my son,
I'm like your dad, little nigga, and your son he's
like na.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
He took by the way, my son time that ship personal.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
People really took it personal when Drake lost the battle,
like my son. Really, they ain't got over that ship.
But that was the peak, that was the moment. It
was a Saturday. If it was a fucking satur niggas,
I'm on a night, I'm eating dinner at National Restaurant.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
We can't say Drake lost the battle. This to east
the zoom. I mean right, he lost that ship.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Though against as soon as I heard they're not like us.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
But let me take it.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
What's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
It goes back to my statement about.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Rules and wall.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
When I first heard they not like us, right.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Check it.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I heard what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Besides the pedophile ship that put out the most everybody
else me is a street nigga. I heard him turning
Cali against the nigga. I said, Atlanta, I said, you let.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Him check check, check check.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
It is important you let him turn the battle from
Drake first, Kendrick to Drake versus Cali. I was like,
my nigga, if I was you when I heard this song,
I would probably make a video talking like I fuck
with Cady. I just sink fucking with a boy. Let's not,
let's not, let's not. I don't want to lose a state.
I'm battling a dude, a rapper, not a state. He
that was a chess move. He took his whole state

(31:42):
with you. He from you, I mean, turned Atlanta on you.
He called the names right like.

Speaker 7 (31:47):
He like that was That's why I said I was
a big chess.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Chess move I seen I was like against Canada. That
was such a chess move.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm like, bro, you know we aretist signed to me
when he was in Atlanta with me when this she
was like, I would have got here in the car
me eleven eleven my artists.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
He's like, yo, bro. He beat a nigga up in
the club that night when he.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Was in front of the club, I'm lying, I lie
my girl right there. He beat a nigga in the
club up because he was like, I'm tired of people
think of Toronto soft.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Bro, I'm like, no, nobody think Toronto soft. But let
me just say this, Drake, you should have known better.
I got so many cardinal officials, My brothers, they and
friends are nice ass guys that I would let stay
in my house.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
They could, they could bring their kids stay.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
In my house.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
CALLI.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Niggas do Burke pees on the fucking block.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
They fuck it. It's all they do.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Bro, you shouldn't have battled them, bro, like it's only thing.
Was like, by the way, I think, I personally think
Drake has a better catalog than Kendrick. I think Kendrick
is more gifted as an artist, but I listened to
Drake music more so I'm more of a Drake fan,
but I respect what Kendrick does.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
I'm Drake fran. I'm like, yo, I don't think you
should fight that.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
I don't think you.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Should do that.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Plus, you gotta go to Canada. You gotta go to La.
You get your money in La.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
He don't get no money in Canada.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
When y'all land, when y'all land on the plane, don't
think that them niggas don't got niggas at TSA like yo,
such and such, just laying from Drake Crew, Nigga's la.
They got a whole network out there. They three hours
behind us. They kept the rules in Wolf if you
think like that.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
If he was thinking like that in the beginning, he
might have been like, I'm not going to detain this
battle because I gotta go to Cali. Unless you want
to go to wall You gotta think all the way left.
You can't just be like, oh, it's the battle, we're friends,
nahu all that's on the street.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
He could have battled by ignoring and just putting out
a hit record.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Did he heard the Big three line said it's not
good enough, come harder, and it's left it like that?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Then it would have went away. You would have still
been a nigga.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
Yeah, you run and play chess back.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
He out smart as you.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Hip hop has we We we appreciate that they engage
each other. I'm gonna talk to honestly. You said you
said there was nothing positive. I think one of the
main positive things that came out of is that hip hop.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
The youth. They engaged in lyrics again, they were yeah,
they were picking apart the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
It was amazing ciphering them, and I love that as
an older hip hop and like, yo, now y'all we're.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Doing we was doing you know what I'm saying. I
hadn't seen that in a long time.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And then and then not like after they dropped, Think
about it, when have we had anything good?

Speaker 5 (34:02):
The last thing exciting and hip hop?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Cole just dropped out and he about to do three
hundred thousand plus we we were having niggas do Yes,
we have a niggas under one hundred thousand our stars
right now. So to me, we kind of tricked ourselves
out our position if you ask me, Like, hip hop
gotta stop being so competitive. We gotta start being a
little bit more collaborative like pop artists, absolutely, but.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Hip hop is competitive.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I mean, I don't just say.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
He hit them.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It's like black folks when we walk into the room,
we're trying to figure out how to take each other out.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
We're trying to figure out like we don't.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Need each other.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
And what I'm telling is that we.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Got to start thinking more group economics, more group like nigga.
I say good shit about everybody. Even now, I don't
think I said nothing. People talk about how controversy. A
I don't think I'm saying that controversy. I'm thinking I'm
saying what I'll see as a coach.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Like I'm like Joe said, Yo, y'all.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Want a hundred million? Fuck it, Jake, And I was like,
I wish you to say that. I'm listening, Nigga, I
just heard you say. You basically say I want a
hundred million. So fuck another artist, a fellow artist that
can go and get you as a podcaster. But he's
showing us where his head is at, and I think
he should be there because he's just as good, if
not better, as a.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Podc casta means an artist.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And by the way, we fal for the record, we
have Fat joe last single with a Need on DJ Kelly.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
I bet Fat Joe didn't know that that that was.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
On the phone with his people working out the splits
last year when he dropped direk in Toronto.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Wrote that ship.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
So I want to see everybody win.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
But you got to ask, like when I'm in the room, Norie,
I asked, I remember this.

Speaker 7 (35:16):
I'm gonna say this. I never said this on record.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I remember being in the room with no id and
Cardinal officier and and Drake just dropped and I was like, gone,
I'm like, this isn't gonna be the biggest artists in
the world.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
It was like, just drop one.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
I'm like, Nigga, he the cheat cold, he's beige.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I'm raising beage kids, my nigga, So were you your kids?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Are your kids?

Speaker 5 (35:40):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
My kids are beige. They a little bit of black,
a little bit of white. Day my daughter's my daughter
is non she's a K pop DMA hunter. She's bage
were raising bige kids. So I'm looking at Drake, I'm like,
you have Jewish, you have black, your dad's from the States. Nigga,
you can do anything. Drake can do one dance. You
literally had no nothing to stand in front of you
in the world in your face, but hip hop caught you.

(36:04):
The culture caught you. And I wish I was in
the room as an American and say, we don't.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Need that shit.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
What's the worst that Let's look at the best thing
can happen in the worst, right, Okay, what do we
think You're gonna get more popular after this battle?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Them little white girls?

Speaker 4 (36:15):
I love you.

Speaker 7 (36:16):
Don't give a fuck about Kendrick.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Don't give a.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Fuck about what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
You give it his worst powers, nigga.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
That's what I saw watching out these niggas. I mean
want do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Artists called me, Everybody calls me for information, like Yo, Ray,
what should I do?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
This is my scenario. I wish you would call me.
I would tell him a bro number one Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I think Kendrick could beat you because he played he
gonna play dirty and in you you Canadian, you're gonna play clean.
Then niggas gonna play dirty. So nigga don't battle the
nigga and then Kendrick might be a good kid. But
he say a good kid.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
From what y'all a mad sh niggas.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
The mad niggas is around him, like let me and
you gotta think about that. If you and nigga that
ain't been cool with a nigga, I think about this.
If you and a nigga ain't been cool with Kendrick
because he don't answer your phone because you're baking them
five thousand dollars six months ago and you need another
end and you heard it over your nigga somewhere. I
might just go take that change just to show Kencher
he look, Bro, I'm still cool with you. That's why
you gotta think I'm thinking like a war general that

(37:06):
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
That's what I was saying. It's war.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But that's why you see the points you made when
when he when you said to him, if you was
cool and you would have said, what do you gain
from this battle? That's what I would have said.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Respect? Check it. Respect.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
But look, if let's.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Say Drake one, he probably would have beef and Cali.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
So are you winning? You know?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
When?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Are you listening?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But he was on a double like a back to
back tall, you already won. I want to tell you
you't get to celebrate that ship. Ship and he's up
in this back. I want to tell you something to
look at it. I want to tell you something to
you colde. Let me ask you a question. Grab, I'm
just being honest with you. My whole thing is is
this is that is?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
I forgot my question.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
Man, I'm high.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I forgot my question, y'all. I'm at what I know.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
To leave me alone, right, hilarious.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
I really wanted to give your flowers, bro, because you
know why, there's a lot of people don't understand what
you've been through. In this industry, bro, I saw it.
Let me give your flowers.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Let me give your.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
I saw it.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
I know who you are. I know, and I know
the fact that you know a lot.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
More that you even don't put out.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I know this, and.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I would be remorse.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
I would be a fake person to not say like,
I always wanted to give you your flowers. He always
wanted to tell you how much, because you know why,
in the industry we need to give people flowers. That's
behind the scene. I'm glad you said that, you know.

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It's it's so many times there's people that don't get
you know what I'm saying, Like they're over there, and.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
There's people like you who you know the industry.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
So I don't agree with every single thing you say,
but I agree with.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Ninety nine of this is you say.

Speaker 7 (39:26):
I appreciate you, bro, and by the way, thank you
for real.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
And I'm sitting there and I'm liking your likes. But
then I have to say to myself and I gotta say, man,
I can't like his like secretly, I have to do this,
by the way, that's real shit. So this is the
reason why I wanted you to be here, because I
really want you to know, like you're the secret beliefs
of the industry.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Like there's so many people that's like him, right, that
it is amongst the industry, because the industry has nothing
to do with the people.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
That's in front of the camera.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Bro. Right, that's the fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
It's mostly the rays of the business that really.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Remember I'm on the number one hip hop podcast. In
the word I'm gonna say this is important for black
men to listen, all all men, minority men to the
number one thing holding us all back from being great.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
It's the words emotional discipline.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
You have to be emotionally disciplined in this world to
be successful as a black man.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
That's why I just look at like this.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
When we in the club and we all black, we all,
we all, we all been in the club, and when
a fight break out the club, use if niggas asked,
what are you gonna go do? Yeah, you see bar
fights all the time. White men just walk out their
eyes bloody like oh he got me that day. But
they have the emotional disciline and understand if I go
to the car and do something, this might end my life.
If I do something stupid, and to me, that's the

(40:55):
one thing holding us back. Like even me, like I've
been like, I've never said the story of being black
ball until now. I was waiting to get on the
biggest motherfucking platform to say their names. Nigga, I want
you to be scared when y'all see you know why
they don't expect that they see a nigga like me,
and they count niggas like me out, Like where a
nigga gonna go? Nigga, I'm from this ship, bro. I
never had a teacher, my nigga. I learned everything watching.

(41:17):
I learned every nigga. I learned everything watching. So for me,
you know, when I saw this ship, I was waiting
to get on here to say what I was thinking
to say, Yeah, they black ball. I've never said I
was black ball, but I was nigga. They can't black
ball greatness nigga.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Fact.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
So I tell everybody said a worry about what they
think about you, focus on being fucking great. Can't stop greatness.
You can stop a nigga. Thats trying, though, but nigga greatness.
We've seen that. I'm a Knicks fan, Nigga. I want
your Knicks fan, nigga. I seen my majority of kick
we checked out. I cried every time we lost. I
know you, when you see greatness, sometimes you gotta just
go to it.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
I gotta apologize for everybody else's watching this. When you
say you're a Knicks fan, that means not proud.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
You know, Knicks man.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You the Knicks taught me about love. The Knicks taught
me what love is as a Knicks fan. I'm not
lying to you, bro. I've said a hundred times, like
every time the season start.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Fuck these niggas, man.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Fuck these niggas. I'm tired of these niggas. I don't
want to watch them. I want to be a Laker fan.
I want to go for the fucking champions. And then
I'll see a nigga try and running the ball.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Keep going. I can't help it.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I can't help it.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
That's the only from New York, nigga.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I got it. I built a sixty thousand dollars New
York basketball court at my crib.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Nigga.

Speaker 7 (42:32):
I love the Knicks, bro, I can't help it. So
I was a kid. I loved them.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
That's all I had in New York.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
As a kid was the Knicks. Watch we play touch
football on the parks, nigga nigga New York. On a
part tackle, we might get your ass killed. I know
you play though, So yeah, so I learned a lot
of love. I looked a lot about love from the
Knicks because every year I cheered from But we're good
this year, so hopefully we go far.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Yeah, get up to the fucking niggas.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Let's go for the.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Plap.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
But we cool with that, Miami he.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
But I just say, man greatness is, and so for me,
I'll just focus on his greatness, bro.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
And that's why I look at this shit.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So even when I talk like and I've said things
that I regret, I've said things that I know. I
only said one thing I regret and that was about
it Shanty. I didn't like that one because they edited up. Well,
we were talking about IRV Gotti and basically said, what
people don't understand about me is that I'm a nigga.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
I'm a real nigga. So I talk like a real nigga.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So they said, why do you think a Shanty got
to IRV Gotti the way she did?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Like IRV is that nigga. He was that nigga, he
had all the bitches. Why did that one get to him?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
That's what they asked me, and I said, because he
gave her his one cheat code. I got one cheek colde.
I know I'm gonna marry one motherfucker. I'm an marry.
I'm gonna take somebody to do the marry process. I'm
gonna get him remakes.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
And he picked a.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
Shanti and she't stay lord to him in his eyes,
so that's what made him hurt.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
But it came off but I said, basically, he gave
her the biggest cheat cold of all time. So it
came up like I was disrespecting her, but I wasn't.
I was really saying, you know this, when youre a
nigga graft, you're like, yo, somebody ill nor y'all. I
got an opportunity for something a female artist. It's like,
i'mnna give it to who I want to. If you
give it to somebody that and they don't repay you,
that shit hurts you more than anybody. Because IRV coun
create another shanty, because if he could, he would have.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
My only chance to create a Shanzi was with you
and now you not with me.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
So nigga, I know that feel to give your whole,
your whole thing to somebody and they don't love you
the way you think they should. So that's what I
was saying, but it came out wrong. But everything I say,
I'm pretty much back. I support because I'm speaking from
a good place, and I also admit I'm wrong. I
was wrong about the damn shit I said, but I
want to make it. I have a brilli important take.
I want to say to y'all at the table and
see what y'all think. I think that the reason why
we're fucked up in black music is because of one moment.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
In history exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, I'm serious, hit me out when Dame Dash cursed
out Kevin.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Lyles and Randy Aker, who works with us.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I didn't know who RADIAKA was.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I'm saying I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I knew Kevin Lowles was, and I think at that
moment when he cursed out Kevin Lowles and we saw
a president of a company again talked to like that
nobody wants to be an executive no more.

Speaker 7 (44:56):
Everybody want to be Dame.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
And that was in the movie. That was That was
in bat that says in high school.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
When I saw that ship, I was like, I want
to be Dame.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I didn't want to be Kevin. But look at look
at Kevin is great.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Kevin is so company for three hundred and thirty million,
He's still here.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
So you just start learning.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
But I think that because when I nobody black wants
to be in the business. Everybody wants labels. They want
to own that's our ship. I don't want to work
my own my ship. But if anybody working in there,
how are we gonna get people to own ship?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
But yeah, sure you got to have a friend in there.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
When when Joey II does his deal with Todd, Moscow
is tired. He looked out for Todd. That's why Todd
at that boysel. They look out for each other. So
we need a nigga in the building to tell us
like I do, like, yo, this is this what they
trying to do?

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Get your money? We don't have that absolutely right, yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Right, And it's a letter that everybody's at the top
of the letter.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
You got to disagree and what not, even you know
what I'm saying, not even though what is that shit
called half a second millisecond, not even a midic because absolutely,
Because when I was in the building, when I started realizing,
can I.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Can I say something? You know who you know who's
the biggest fan?

Speaker 6 (45:55):
I am that Adam Sama exactly saying really, Adam, I
love him too.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Okay did you I didn't know?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
I know me and you were I know.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
But let me just tell you something. You know who
was in Adam Sandler's movie?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
His people? His friends?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh yeah, he just all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I respect that too, you know you those in every
one of my movies, system of his front people.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, facts.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
I want to be because that's gonna sound a little crazy,
say I want to be the black Adam Sounder because I.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Know I get it though.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I want to be Norri you sad about him howering
your people and keep up.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I want to be that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel
I don't want to be that.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
I looked at Adam Sandler's movies. Mm hmm, every one
of his movies, every one of his people, same crew,
from his wife yep, even if he's playing his enemy
in the actual movie.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Right then you got all his children.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
So when you see the thing where his daughter walks
in Chanelle and she walks in Chanelle and she has
that ship. Is that ship is put together? Yeah, and
if we as people can do the same thing, we

(47:19):
would be the most powerful gun on the planet on
the planet, right, That's a fact we don't.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
We don't put each other on. We do tell each
other that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Let me say, when I had that mentality tall something
when I work. Chubby Baby rest in peace, Chubby baby
I got.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
I got chubby Baby as job at Epic. I did that.
I walked him in the room. I flew him up.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Annie.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
I get everybody.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I look out for everybody and get them jobs because
it's like they tell us that's laying no having the
jobs cool as fuck, especially if you needed people. I
took Big U to the CEO of Warner. It was
the the whole staff was nervous.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Her Big You was coming. I'm like, well a, y'all
scared for Like I just want to.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I want to.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I want to be in business with him. Like he
got the streets. We want the streets. Y'all keep telling
me try to sign these street artists. Who the fuck
you think I'm calling? Get to that people to tell
him I'm legit. Let's get when I get into a building.
If I'm in a building, I am the opportunity zone
for everybody. I don't want to see everybody eat. That
is what I'm here for. I'm only here to help

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my people eat. And sometimes people think of helping me
and say yo, Nord, let me piece you all.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Sometimes helping nigga eat saying.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Go that way instead of that way.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
That's sometimes that's helping the nigga eat.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
That's how I see it.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
So, you know, I think that that moment Kevin lewles
because because I was like, why don't nobody want to
be an exec?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
No more?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Everybody want to be puff Jay Dame. Nobody wants to
be Kevin Laos And he was the biggest one. Why
because he got cursed out on camera and made fun
of on camera.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
Nobody wants to be that nigga.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
I'd rather be the nigga.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
That so and by the way, none of.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
These he took it so so so.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
Ask you this right because that was emotional disciline.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
By the way Kevin laws, because he did handle it, huh,
I was emotional discipline. That's just that's important to say.
He handled his ship. And now he's worth a hundred
million I said, but he pieced other people off. I'm
dripping on one third, but he handled his business and
he exit, he's on the golf course.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
You know what I'm saying. He did it right.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So sometimes as black folks, we don't have enough of
that in our society.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Like nigga, we are only fifty years old.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
But you also you also and not everything's in front
of the camera. Everybody got to realize that not everything's
in front of the camera.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
Then God bless me, because God bless you because you
said this, But then you also said he said, damn man, Jerry.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Should kind of look out.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
That's how I lost little respect. That's why I said
I was wrong. Dame called me and cursed me out.
Wait what nigga da That's what I'm saying, Like I'm
not trying, Dame.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
Dame is my nigga.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Dame called me and said, nigga, that shit wasn't cool,
and he was right. It was like somebody asked me
and they said that he it was. It was like
in the moment like breaking like we're feeling right now,
somebody say breaking news, Dame has lost it all. So
I'm like, I love a nigga. That's my nigga I love.
I'm like, damn, if he had this true man in
the art of war. You know how this shit with war.
Sometimes you gotta crush that under me totally. I'm like, Jay,
he's crushed totally. Now now is the time to lift

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them back up, because that's what that's what others do
for each other. You'll go bankrupt, they say, Yo, Mary,
one of my items is Jerry Wyntroup. You want to
break up, bankrupt all his friends rally around you take
my boat, take my plane, take my house, take three
months to go figure it out.

Speaker 7 (50:16):
We don't do that to each other and one of
us lose.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
We laugh.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That's why we ain't got shit. I want to be
the person that changes the fucking narrative and talking shit.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
And another thing.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I also think we look at successful people like they
know it all. They just like us.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
They'll say the same thing and get a check, just
like a regular niggas say the same thing and get
a check. So sometimes you just need a nigga in
the room with perspective. My father went around, So because
my father went around, I never have perspective, So I
teach it to niggas cause I'm like, Man, if my
father's in my life, I'd be worth a hundred million
right now.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Don't get me wrong trying. I'm good, you know, own
all my shit. I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
But I'm like, if I had a dad to tell me,
don't believe what they're saying, you could do it, I
would have.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Did it from early on too.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So I always look back in revisionous history, like why why.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Do I because ain't no black people in the buildings.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
And if they are, and they are docile, that's the
fact of doing what they are told to do. Nigga,
I was in the best that they read it. But
I'm asking any nigga, I don't tell fire me if
this shit don't work. I want to win more than
I want to be here, y'all. I don't just want
to be here. That's another reason why these labels.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Suck, because they got people in there that just want
to keep their job. Most of them is like that.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Think about you in the NBA, just speak, ain't gonna
make ITGGA, not.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
If you want to play ball, though, play ball and
let the chips fall what they make.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
That's a big fact they're not risking it all the pudden.
They want to keep a job. Yeah, and they do
what's safe. And if you're taking no risks, you can't win.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Big bro.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
When I was in them companies, Brore, I was a
spook that coach. I was literally there to learn to
teach us because I hate giving another motherfucker power over us.
I hate making it feel like because that nigga got something.
Because what I'm gonna tell my kids ims me telling
my kids. Man, I can't eat ause Nor, he says,
So I got to kill Nor before I let that.
Tell my kid that I'm not saying I can say.
And I said, that's how I see the worry.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
That's my job, nigga.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
If something is in my way, I'm going to get
around it or I'm going to run through it. And
my kids. I have never once went home and told
my family we ain't making no money today. That's a fact, nigga.
I take the check home, nigga. So I'm the big guy,
like focused on just doing what.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
You got to do.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, I actually that's real.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
That's that's that's the reason why when I see your
ship and I'm like, this motherfucker's been holding back for a.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Long man, man, do give jewels or because even when
I did this podcast, right, he gave me mad jewels
and I took him with me. But I tell everybody
you told me the one thing I took him when
you saw the barber. But the way you said it,
you was like, okay, what do you what do you
find I was representing? Grab said, well, I represent the
culture in New York City and his lyricism. He was like,
well take that and put building blocks on top of it.

(52:36):
You got to take your base and build on top
of it. So maybe she'd do like a ball. I said, Barbara,
show about.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Some rap ship.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
After that, he said, you want your own show. I
was like, yes, you know what I'm saying, And I
did that. I had it in my mind already. So
you put that jewel there. I didn't know what to
do it when you told me, I said, I need
to keep the jewel in my head.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
And he said you want to show?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I was like, yeah, if anybody went to if anybody,
I'm gonn tell you how I see the world.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
We used to be able to lead from the back.
You can't lead from the back no more.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You gotta lead from the front right combined every car
company in the world. You don't know the CEO of
Mercedes BMW hont the number?

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Everybody know the CEO of Tesla.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
That's why Tesla's worth more than all of them put together.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
With the owner.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
What's the most famous?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Who the most successful football team money wise in the game?

Speaker 7 (53:21):
Jerry Jones?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
We know the owner.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Everybody who leads from the front, take their ship far them.
Niggas that lead from the back, they usually the piece
of shit guys. Those are the guys in the f
SCEA file. That's why I don see nobody worried about that,
but the people that leave from the front, because you
got to like me now, dog, I love what I love,
but I'm leaning from the front now, so I can't
put it on them. Just walked out of the way. Man,
I wanted to have fun, but nah, this might go
bad for the team. I got. Nigga lives in my
hand right now. I can't afford to make no mistakes.

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Come leading from the front, but I'm from the back.
I'm like, let that shot all that ship back here.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Nigga, say that ship back here.

Speaker 7 (53:50):
That's why we said that's some email.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
That's some file emails like that's leading from the back,
Like I can't littlebody know what I'm doing, so but
I leave from the front. That's why my ship working.
And I think transparency is going to be key for
anybody that leads from the front. And that's why these
labels suck because nobody knows. The CEO ofver labels should
be talking like I am right now, like a fucking like, yo,
my company is here.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
What makes us different?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
No, they wait for the fucking the artists to get hot,
come in the room, and they give the same speech.
If everybody you know howe chopper. I told his mother
straight up, I said, look, I know you got a
lot of people want to sign him, and your mother
I talked to like a mother. I said, I promise
you on my dead father, I will never tell your
son to do something that I wouldn't tell my son
to do. And I think that was important because I'm
gonna see him as I'm a man first before i

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see him as an artist that makes money. So for me,
it's like it's big on just being human and leading
from the front. We don't have enough of that.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Well, none of that, so coming that's.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
What y'all doing. Let's tape what y'all doing? A boy
having me here?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
No, he pulled me to the front. Infl y'all pulled
me to the front. That nigga's important. Come up here
with us. That's what that's what we're supposed to do
for each other. And think about it. We do that
for each other. Dog, Dame Dash is never gonna fail.
He might have a lot of problems with people that
he knew, but he's never gonna fail because he's been
the inspiration.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
There's so many others.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
So yeah, he might be down for somebody gonna say,
put your name on my bowling alley, nigga, because you
Dame Dash, because he led from the front.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
He wasn't the CEO stealing money. He was always there.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So I think that that's what we are in society,
and now you gotta lead from the front. And that's
why I was fucked up because everybody want to hide
their hands, right, nigga, My hands is showing and I'm
still in it. That's because I'm good at what I do.
Not like niggas that hot is usually not good. And
by the way, it's so much ship. I would go on,
but I'll just be respectful because you know, you gotta
gotta give people a chance to like the people to
see and get mad first. But I know what's happened

(55:30):
in the music business. They're killing it, bro, But you.

Speaker 11 (55:32):
Still transparency and that's the exist exists robbing it and
they have to though, they have to because that but
the artist is not in favor of the artists is
a bad loan nigga. So it's like, if you're going
to do bad beness with somebody.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
You got to hide in the back.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Yeah, so not money, you did that? Accountan did that
you nigga?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Because they can't do nothing without coming to your office
and making sure you're.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Cool with it.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
That's the fact.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
You can't do nothing without us cold sign of that fact.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
But I'm the fucking artist that actually signed those deals, right,
and it was.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Smaller ones, more mad.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
It was horrible for me, So yeah, that's a big fact.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I remember when I first got in the business, right,
my first three deals I had on the table, All
three of them were bad, but I couldn't afford to
pay my lawyer, so he get a percentage of the deal.
The worst, the worst deal was the was the one
with the biggest bread on it. He told me to
sign that one because he gets paid the most. I'm
fucking nineteen years old.

Speaker 12 (56:33):
I'm like, I know the Floyds with each other. It's
a thirty game, bro, thirty game. I'm gonna hold my tongue. No, No,
they're all friends.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
They're all they're all friends, all work together.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I'm with you. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I all work together, they all together, and they all
cussling together. Listen, let me tell you something. They all friends.
That's what killed me when you think about this. Let's
just talk real. If you were younger, let's say you
twenty on.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Let me say you.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
Let me tell you why I want you to talk
because me graph we need people like you. Yeah, saying
we actually scope out people like you to help us.

(57:23):
So now that you're here, actually, oh yeah, I'll take
a shot.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I don't even drink like that, but I'm drinking where
let's go, let'sten, it goes out.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
You know what, we actually slow solo, let go.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
We could have the drinking games a whole bit time.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
What is that.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
I don't drink.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
I want to tell you something important.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I just know that's important because I just saw so obviously,
I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
I'm connected to the streets.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I know I'm from the streets, right, I just don't
I speak, so I speak. So this kid right here
with me, this kid, Fredo, he works than me, right,
he's Fredo comes to me as like a street dude.
And he comes to me swear to God, and he's like, yo, Ray,
I just want to tell you I got ten for you.
I was like, all right, cool, my nigga, Like, I
need no money. He was like, I'm like what ten ten?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
What?

Speaker 4 (58:25):
He said ten years?

Speaker 5 (58:26):
I'm like, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
He was like, I do ten years for you today.
If I have to o God, I go, why the
fuck would you do that? I said, no, he's right there.
I said, Bro, I'm your og. That's the problem. OG's
making young nigga sacrifice that time.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I'm like, Bro, my job is to put you on.
My job is to protect you. And by the way,
the Sierra Chris Brown, how we wrote record. He wrote
that he got a platinum record to Toronto Form.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Making that happen. But my point is that he's now,
he's a street dude and he has he wrote for Sierra. Yeah,
I show you how to do this because.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
You just need someone to lead you. Let me show
I'm leading front the front. Now come up here with me.
Let me show you could do this shit too. That's
what happens when now imagine when I was a piece
of shit nigga. Imagine if I was I had a
little dick and I was just walking around, I did
somebody trump got little nigga gon put.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
No, I'm a real nigga. Bro, I do what a
real nigga should.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I'm gonna lead my people, bro I want And I
say this on record. I know labels ain't doing it
because they ain't called me yet.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
The label that why why.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Wouldn't you call me? La Reed said when that something
to me? One day, he said, when you talk, every
artist listens. Cardinal Official called me and said, you are
the manager of everybody in the music business, every manager,
the network is yours. If you as a label, why
wouldn't I'm ahead of a label. I'm like, get that
nigga in here.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
But they know when I come in there, I'm gonna
be like, what y'all doing to these people? Right?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I'm not for sale, my nigga. I want to work
with you. But I'm just not for saying the book.
I want to go home. I want to go home.
I want to see my niggas. I don't want to
see nor or see you. And I know y'all with
me and y'all. My mom lives good because of music.
My mom John's a rain. My mom was a school
bus drip. My mom was usher school bus driver. My

(01:00:04):
mom was a school bus driver for Fulton County schools.
And now she lives in a mass and he drives
a rangehow and it's all paid the funk off because
of music. This ship can change your life if you
treated like greatness. Music became a hustle like sports is
still about greatness. Music greatness left and now it's all
about how can make some money. Michael Jackson wasn't making
thriller thinking how can I make a billion dollars? He
was like, I'm gonna make some ship that's gonna shut

(01:00:26):
this world down. And nobody's aiming for that no more.
Everybody's just trying to get some money.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Hip Hop became low hanging fruit because it's easy as this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
You don't have to have talent to do it. I
can't graft and rap. I just get a nigga to
do voice you right, his raps now he's famous.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That's all go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
That was by design too. I believe it was. Let
go lego.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
What is this? Hold on? My girl?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
That's my lady right there. She'll tell you. They know
I get started. What is this even?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Hold on?

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
You got a let's qick time. Let's do a quick time.
If you're gonna start doing these you know what I wouldn't.
I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I'm not doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I was Friday. I gotta tell you. That was Friday.
I was having a bad day last Friday. Today is
a Friday. I was having a bad day.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
I was ready to quit my nigga quit what just
the game?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Sometimes it's hard broke because it's hard leading people that
don't get it. And then I gotta test some big
d I had a whole trip plan this weekend, saying, Yo,
knowing what you do the show, I said, Nigga, I
booked my fight already, I said, I said, Nigga, I
will drive there if I have to. I ain't know
what opportunity brings. That's how we gotta trade it. That's
what I think about this. I'm gonn see over label

(01:01:32):
and I'm raised my artist. I'm like, ray, go down
there and kill it. You need people to.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
Tell you right from wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
We don't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And now the game sucks now because none of the
people leave. Nick give a fuck about the game, niggive
about they pop. I care about the game because I
want my son. I want our kids to be able
to run this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
And when I.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
Started realized that, nigga, that that's integrity and Hi, you
know what, let me give your flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Let me get your flowers. Let me give your flowers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Though, let's say, just going in, I'm being honest with you.
I just need some lemonadors juice.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
I really watch you. I really scope man, and I
know what you're saying. It's real ship, and that ship
is hard to say. So that's the reason why I'm like, yo,
I gotta get this flowers because holy ship. Right, A

(01:02:36):
lot of the ship that you be saying, I'm sitting
back and I'm saying, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
He's right, but a lot of that ship is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Uh right, Yeah, it's real.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Those people are like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yeah, they don't want to they don't want to hear
the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
We finally got someone and that I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Don't want to handle truth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
They don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
They don't want, they don't want to expose.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
They don't want no one to say it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
They don't want, they don't they know what they're doing.
It's like robbing the bank. It's like, nigg you robbing
the bank and at turr all your whole cup shut
the fuck up, right, And I'm like, yeah, but Nigga,
when we get our money, you go to that neighborhood,
You go to that neighborhood, and I go back to Atlanta. Nigga,
I'm like a fucking celebrity in my city. Everybody go,
people look at me as an opportunity. Z on, I'm
gonna feel like a sell out of I don't fucking
make sure people have an opportunity. I have to make

(01:03:25):
sure that I send the elevator down. That is our
fucking that is our right. We have to do that
for each other. Black folks and Latinos, everybody. We send
the elevator fucking down. Stop making your kids walk up
the stairs. I don't understand that. My kids don't have to, Nigga.
I'm getting every last one of my kids one hundred
thousand dollars on their birthday.

Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
On an eighteen birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
That's now I'm getting my son, he's seventeen, eighteen, br
I get one hundred thousand dollars in his pocket. Nigga
E I want my kids to be better. We're supposed
to make it easier. Why i'mann telling I'm gonna hold
it back. I'd rather than fuck up eight one hundred
thy and eighteen. So when you get to twenty five
and he really focus, he know what to do now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Right, that's how look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
That's a real ship, all right, give me a twenty
and eighteen. I'm I'm fucking it up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
That's good. I'm glad you get to learn.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I was like, I'm going to start the business.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
When I saw it was Sony, I was like, not
too far from eighteen. I was probably twenty or whatever
the fuck it was. I was a kid up seventy
five thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Whoa gone fuk it up?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
And I thought, and it's funny because I didn't even
ball out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
I was like, but you know, we weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
We weren't taught as minarvety is what to do with
money in school. They don't teach you money. They don't
teach you financis.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
You don't learn that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
You have to learn that as a grown man on
your own, at least when you're blast do experience.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
We learned from the laws.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Listen to always say the first million and a half,
we did a deal million and a half dollars. Shit
was going in six months. Nobody taught us how to
handle how to handle money right. One thing that we
never stopped, we just never stopped working right. So what
mostly is at one point five they happy. I'm thinking like,
I gotta get this money back so I can get
some more money from these folks. Not knowing that we
were gonna be in this ship. I'm twenty one years later,

(01:04:56):
I'm in this business. I can't believe I'm eating in
this ship. Niggas get sent home when it get gray.
When the nigga now, you don't go on building. You
see a lot of gray old white men. You don't
see no gray black man unless he's a lawyer. Niggas
get sent home in this business. So for me, I
just want to feel like we got to start changing
that narrative. We got to teach our people, we got
to stay there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
That's why shit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Fucked up right now? And and by the way, I
still want to be in this shit. I just know
too much. So it's hard to be in it because.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
I know, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
It's like it's like you want to be feeling you know.
It's like it's like you want to respect the person
you work for. Right, Like if I tell somebody my
team to run through the wall, they gonna do it.
Why because they seen me run through the wall for them.
I just feel like these guys they ain't run through
the wall. They're like, you run through the wall, you run,
you run through the wall.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
It's like, that's why we ain't winning. I want to
run through that bitch first.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
That's real. That's my goal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
My goal is I listen, bro, I want to ship
my whole life. Bro, I can't believe I'm here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
That's real shit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Nobody even nobody thought I was smart. Nobody talked to me,
nobody told me I could be something.

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
Nobody. I just want day walcome. Was like, I'm a
fucking loser.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
How the fuck did this happen?

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
I gotta change this shit around, and I changed it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
That's real.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
The one thing you said that I mean, you said
a bunch of joes that I that I appreciated. But
the one thing that really I'm like that that I
took from is you like to put your people on.
That's so important to me. Same thing you said about
Adam Sandler. I'm so big and putting my people on.
I want to make money with my people. Like nobody
wants to be at the top by theyself, at least.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Not a real nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
You don't have bet the top a loan. You want
to power your folks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
So strong with if you fall.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Off, they can put you on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Or were you at the top?

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
We all looking good?

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
You can't to who the superstars I want.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
I want you to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I want you to know what it feels like to
take care of people that took care of you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Real shit.

Speaker 7 (01:06:30):
My mom may worked in thirteen years. I love that.
I love saying that on record.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
She and Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
My mom made two thousand of month driving school buses.
That's what she made. That's where we lived off. Nigga,
I'm gonna get out here and fucking get it. And
then and then when you start to stop me, it's
weird for me, cause nigga, I'm not doing it for hose.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
Like most niggas that want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
In this is a secret. I guess most niggas want
to be in the music business executive. They just want
to do it for bitchess. I don't know if y'all
know this or not. Like most problem that men have
in the music business is women. They want women. They
don't want niggas around it can get women. They don't
want you around the women like you. That's the whole point.
I've been getting chicks. I was seven, sixteen, seventeen. I
don't need that so and mana that. I don't want

(01:07:06):
to fuck nobody in the music business. I want to
fuck my career fucking her head up. I'm got no problems.
I'm only here to get rich. I'm not here to
get pussy. I did not pray to God to give
me the music basins I'll get asked. I pray to
God to give me his I'll get some money.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
That's all I'm here for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
And one thing, we don't want to confuse people because
people will hear what you're saying about putting your people
on and they think, oh, just because I'm around you
really young. It's about creating opportunities for people when they
have to meet.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
Yeah, that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
It's not just putting people on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
What you're doing?

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
I said, you know what I said I was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I was telling to Polo to don Pollo my brother
and Polo I will always go see his family and
Polo have family members that want to do music. And
I remember one day I was just asking, I'm like, yo,
why why are you put your family on? He was like,
I said, why you don't help your family? He was
like the real questions, why don't help me? Think about that.
It was like that when he said that, that shit fucked me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I was like, you know, I said a ten years ago,
I was like this nigga arrogant, or you think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Look at the Bezos family. There's a lot of them.
The first investors in in Amazon was Jeff Bezos brothers
and sisters. Like, look at how they're living. So for me,
when he said that, I'm like, yeah, if you got
to plan, follow the man with the plan. But I
think siblings think they have to have a plan because
it's like, no, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Just get with your brother, get with your sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
So I always say that, like help the person, don't
it's the person to help you. I need help right now, Nigga.
I always need help.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Right bro?

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
He serious, Let me let me stop, let me stay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
For quck Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I don't know about you, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
I think we can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I tell you, I swear to God. I'm gonna tell this.
I swear to God. I will watch I love QuickTime Slum.
I will watch it. And I always said I'll be
the one, Nigga. I promise you.

Speaker 7 (01:08:48):
I'mnna answer every motherfucking question, no matter how hard it is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
All right, I shouldn't do that. So you don't need
the rules.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
You know the rules, nigga. I am a I am
a fan.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I came on to drink, would have been so who
was your Uh No, he's drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
What do you mean he's drinking. Let's go to drink.
You need drink. Drink, Nah, give me the more liguas.
Let's do that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Taste a little bit what I gave you. Just take
just take we drink, right, just take a little bit
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Let's go just take a little doing it out in
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
We're doing it out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Let go pull it up, motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I ain't saying I'm going to ask everyone flat out.
But my goal right now is to answer everyone flat
the funk out, because when I see people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Doing did I answered all the questions flat out?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I did.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
Right today, we're kind of drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Well, it depends.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I don't think I read from nothing. I like that answer.
All right, ready, let's go all right, Jake Cole or
Drake Drake Easy, Fat Joe or French Montane hold.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
On, I want to drink just because he said drink
so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Oh, I'm gonna get you. I got this easy, got
drink if you want to, that's your rule. Or Fat Joe,
Joe Easy, and I love French. But let me say something.
My grandmother rest in peace, my grandmother. The only rapper
my grandmother knew was Fat Joe because the Bronx.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
We are from the Bronx. He was the only presson representative.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
So I loved Joe forever like my like he's like,
you know, like Jesus is a fat Joe like at
my house because he's from the Bronx and he don't
eve Nigga made it out. It was like a big
deal for.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
And he would come to all the reunions and ship
so my grandmother would.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
See him and be like, put your pants up, and
he put his pants slippers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Love him so fat Joe. Let's go right, my brother,
fast Joe. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
That was That was hard, all right, Supac at DMX
rest in peace of Pac And I like X.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
But I'm gonna say POC because when I was sixteen
years old and I was lost, Park has a song
called Me Against the World, and he says on that
song even the Genians asked, asked questions, be grateful, blessings,
and as as a man. When I became a man,
that line I held on to. Even the genius asked questions.
Don't be afraid to ask, because you know, most of
the time we just don't get away because we keep
our mouth shut.

Speaker 7 (01:11:01):
So I started asking more. So I'm gonna give it
to Pac.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
That's real. Warner Brothers an epic. You already know where
to look.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
You're looking.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I thought the guys that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say epic.
I'm gonna say epic. Uh, epic was black. Epic cared
about what black folks start. I can't say completely that
Warner Brothers, the Warner Records that I work full cared
about that like they they they they they like black artists,
but I don't think they cared about the plight of
black artists. Like what we face every day is not

(01:11:34):
just music. We gotta go home. So I'm gonna give
it to Epic because La Reed was my greatest teacher.
I'm here because of him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
That's real.

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
So I'm gonna give it to him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Lizzo or Sierra, Now that's the motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I'm gonna say Sierra, and I'm gonna say Sierra because
I've been on Serious that she was fourteen. We've been
on Lizo too, but Sierra to me, I'm gonna give
it to her because honestly, because if I face time
to a called her right now, she answers. So I'm
always give it to Sierra. So, Lizzo, are we cool?
But my relationship is usually with Tarran doing her music.
But Sierra, you are answering all these motherfuckers answers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, watch your ship, man, I love this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
This is a slam dunk answerest.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Bro, you gotta make a dream one of these questions
the source of double x L.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I think that's easy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I want to say the source because of the ninety
five Source Awards. But I'm on the cover of the
Double x CL so and I got it framed in
my house or double XL shout to Vanessa, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
That was the dream comes true.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
And not to be on a couple of double xls.
They gotta have it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
That's a good reason. That's a great reason. That's great reason.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Jada kiss and Nas, Oh, that's easy kiss. I think
kisses the, I think kisses the. I put him as
the third best rapper lyric rapper in New York history
to me, behind Big and Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
What I will say about Nas just too because I
was just gifted.

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
But I want to listen to a now this album.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
But I just wanted. I wanted to say this before
and I didn't when you were saying about people need
to be more collaborative. Yeah, I think what he's doing
with Mass Appeal and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
The Legend Run is a collaborative, brilliant, amazing peers. I
love by the way. I love what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
But I just you know, Jada kiss when kiss is
that nigga bro I just I wish I could an
R album for him, broke, because he could rap better
than everybody he just needs mathematics, is the man. He
just needs the mathematics on point the man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
E p m D. Will run DMC.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
I got Eric Srmon name on my phone, Eric Sermon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Eric Simmon was like you, he said he had my
lawyer called me like I love you and I'm like, nigga.
Sixth grade, I asked one a three Bronx. They filming juice,
Remember the Blue Flame Lounge. Everywhere they was like, you're
about to rob this motherfucker, nigga. That was half a
block from my middle school. We heard Eric Sermon. E
p m D Was at the Blue Flame Lounge. Fucking
twelve hundred kids ran Pattison Projects to get to them,

(01:13:57):
and Eric Simmon signed every autograph. I love Red run
but Sermon in my phone, I'm always give the aeric Sermon.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
That's real, that's dope. I was good.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
Yeah, I'll go rock him or karas one carros one
from the Bronx.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Nigga.

Speaker 7 (01:14:14):
I remember riding the car leaving that white Stone. What's that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
What's that movie there in the Bronx Whitstone Theater. And
my uncle was a big dough boy, he playing no, no, no, they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Know it down with us. I'm number one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I remember just being a kid and we just left
Robo Cop and for some reason, he said, we just
seen robo Cop And for some reason, Carroll riss One says,
robo Cop, you know he's down, and my uncle's and
them niggas was gods me. They was like my uncle
Aron risporting up. So I love them niggas. They was like,
he said, Robo Cop niggas. So I gotta give a
carross One he from the Bronx shout out to RoboCop Future,

(01:14:48):
young thug Future. I worked with Future. I did h
I turned. I did Future second album honest, so move
that dope, and I just wanted to take you out
and show you I was those regular futures.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
I'm gonna give the future with.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
The your TV raps or video music box.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
You have TV raps.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I don't I like young tv raps because I liked
that they was outside the scene with my man five
Freddy was on the back of the truck just like
that scene, like these iconic moments that just make you
want to be in this ship, like I do want.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
To be in this hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Yeah, it's like I got like it's like I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Think most black men at my age, it was either
you're gonna be in hip hop or you're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
To the regular world.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
And I don't want to be in this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
So yeah, m n L.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Chopper or NBA young boy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I signed an elite chopper, so I'm gonna give it
to him. I'm gonna give it to I signed him
and is a good kid man, Uh chot n Bro
like like, I love that kid. I wish I could
have still worded him because I feel like I was
still with him things to be a little different. I
just felt like he needed to write people in the
room to talk to him and he when I see

(01:15:59):
Nly to this day, it's I see him. He always
compliment me on how fresh I am, and he always
caught me on like the ship. I'm saying, like, Yo, Bro,
you fred Brock with you. But and Chopper, man, I
hope you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Get it together. But Chopper, that's my nigga. I love.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Biggie or Big L, piece of both.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
This might be embarrassing to say. I don't even know
want more than one Big L songs. I think Biggie
is the most gifted rapper in the history of rap music.
I don't think there's nobody that has ever rapped that
is better gifted, like like the Tangibles are rap than big.
So he's over everybody. To me, he can make words
round like nobody could. He could do a girl record,

(01:16:39):
a street record of storytelling and it was just it
was just gifted. And he did all this shit in
three years.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
Peoplen't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
So that a tribe called quest or day I saw.

Speaker 7 (01:16:52):
Try, but I will say this, what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Day?

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
I saw?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
The States is high but they got Kenny Anderson in
the video and he played against it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Stakes is how I love Dayla I sould. But I
just think trib we need a new tribe. We need
a tribe right now, like just somebody making like dope
beats and rapping about dope shit.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
So I'll give it a tribe Usher Chris Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
This is kind of easy for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
It's weird because me and my partner Lection were talking
about this. I've known Chris Brown. See he was sixteen,
so I've known since he was a kid. I was
always a fan of Usher. I know Usher, but like
we're cool, But like when I was in high school,
you know you. I was playing can You Get with It?
To the chicks, trying to get some ass, right. So
I'm gonna give it to Usher because and the this'
another thing. I'm gonnaive it to Usher overse b. It's
because Usher has one classic, and I feel like the

(01:17:42):
one thing Chris needs, the one thing Chris is missing,
is one classic now that everybody says, like Michael Jackson
Thriller Usher Confessions. I think people might say the first
time the third album Indigo, but I think Christmas need
one good, twelve to fifteen song album produced by one
person to have that classic.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I'm gonna give it the Usher, h Rihanna or Beyonce ship.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Rihanna.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Rihanna has hold on what we got, man down, poured up,
what else we did with Rihanna, Rain and Men.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
I could play the demo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I can play the demo of them ships right now,
like so, I'm always going Rihanna.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
And by the way we did we are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I'm gonna give it to Rihanna because we got three
Rihanna hits and we got one would be So I'm
gonna give it to re for that reason.

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
He did Beyonce All night, tell.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
Met flex he's flexing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Time to do it? Yeah, yeah you continue.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Walker or Fetti walk a flock or Fetti.

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
Wap, that's easy. Walk us from Atlanta and he did
my show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
And I don't think Fetti Wap got no line better
than I fucked my money up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Now I can't re up run into its spot us.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
To get my stacks. Now I'm back on deck.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Shawny, what the nigga, nigga? Hurt you talking ship nigga?
When when that ship dropped in Atlanta, Nigga, that ship
was like I remember the DJ.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I can just take that part back seven times just
because of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
What he says. So I gotta give it to Walker.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Saved woman time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I fuck my money Damn Now I can't read up
ran into his spot just to pick my stacks up.
Now I'm back on deck. So Shanty, what.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
The fuck you want? Hurdy talking ship? But this say,
what the fuck you want nigga?

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Walk out of that, nigga. Let's go Walker, that's my nigga.
Shout out to Walker walking by the way, we can.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Hold queens.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
I love it like queens real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I did someone's going on take I said was make
a queens. He should on the Sauls. The niggas knows.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I got to Walker.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I can have no It's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Cool who share Joe Bundener a million dollars worth of game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Button And I'm gonna sayudd and shout out to Gilly
my nigga. We talked Wallow, my nigga, but butder have
me on the show three motherfucking times. And listen, y'all.
If I hit Joe Budden right now I'm in New York,
he like, what time you're pulling up to the show.
Like that's what peop don't understand. Like Joe Budden is
the first podcast to co sign me in the biggest
way in ways when I when I'm doing this shit

(01:20:31):
and I'm lost and I'm trying to figure this shit out,
and somebody sent me Joe Budden talking about something I said,
So I got to get the Joe. But shout out
to Gillian Wallow because Wallow is Wallow of the reason
why I make money.

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
Because Wallow came to my show. Was like, nigga, you
know you are.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
He was like, nigga was in jail since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I was in jail. You was making hits hop a
my ahead of you and this shit. I'm like, damn, nigga,
let me get my motherfucking shit together.

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
So but I said, I give it to joke.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Seriously, got wallow for motivating the nigga eighties or nine
indies rap Nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
I think nineties is the peek of music. I just
think I like eighties, but like, I don't think the
nigga's in it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:21:08):
So my favorite rapper from the eighties is not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Charas One is rock Kim. I remember being in Patterson Projects.
Rock Kim is the first artist that I ever heard
Passion Projects. I remember the first nigga that when we
was in the park. When I heard I came in
the door. I said it before I knew that wasn't
for my mother. I knew that wasn't for my mother.
As eight year old kid, I was like, this for me,
that ain't for my mother. My mother listen to Luther Vandross.

(01:21:31):
My mother listened to Freddy Jackson. This is your generations music.
Like that shit fucked my head up. So yeah, but
I'm gonna still give it to nineties because the nineties
is when niggas got rich. The eighties laid the platform,
but the nineties is when niggas got hundreds of millions
of dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
So I'd rather go there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
That's true, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
Last one to go for it loyalty or respect.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I'm gonna just say this. I've been wanting you to
ask me that, to ask this this. I feel like
I'm about give the best answer ever, respect because respect
don't cost me. Loyalty does. Nigga's loyal to me, he
expect me to do ship for him, thinking I'm loyal
to you, give me, give me nigga, donna ask you
for that loyalty. Respect don't cost me lord he does.
I'm gonna always take respect because it's a mutual thing. Lord,

(01:22:18):
you gotta earn that ship around here. And niggas think,
because they loyal to you supposed to give him half
your check. Nigga, That's not how it goes. You gotta
be working and loyal. So I'm gonna give it to respect.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
That was the jewel working too, right, kicking ass.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
Mumba.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Kanye won the award and he was like, they said,
well what happened and you'll never know. This is my
mama for that because I don't drink Champs Nigga and
I'm drinking. Let's go drink drink, y'all can't tell this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
The flowers are going home with me the first person
that did quick time and slim all the way through
without Let's go and drink something to that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Let's go, let's.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Thank you just you know what we want to say,
something whatever kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Brown like, yeah, I got you know this man Joyce,
the Dominican labor man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Let's do it. There you go. You don't have to
put that much. Man relaxed.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
I think the real ship though, but we don't see
what that drink.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Champs to Get always homemade.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
The reaships made homemade.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Alright, it counts, by the way, this it's kitchen full time.
Let's go, let's kick.

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
The but all right, so let me, uh, do you
think rock Nation runs the podcast area?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Why would Why would you think that? No?

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
No, I think I think rock Nation is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
I think jay Z is the smartest man in I
think you want the smartest man in the world. I
think he understands emotional discipline. Yeah, I think he understands.
But his biggest thing, he understands the emotional discipline, how
not to react, how not to do this. I think
jay Z understands the quiet. The more quiet I am,
the more loud it's gonna get, and we get more.
The less I talk, the more power I am. So

(01:24:14):
I don't think they run the podcast business at all.
I think that they understand that when they show up, though,
because who they with, Everybody stops and says, what do
you guys want?

Speaker 7 (01:24:24):
And they get what they want?

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
And by the way, that's my motherfucking goal for myself,
So it ain't no hate for me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
I love that hole.

Speaker 7 (01:24:29):
We could do that. Shout out the whole and by
the way, shout the rock Nation. I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
When I left my last job, y'all, and I needed
a check because I ain't know how I was gonna
pay my all my shit. Oh maar, Sharry from Rock
Nation gave me a check. They pay me a check,
and they looked out for me for three fucking years.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Three years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
So I'm a shout out rock Nation for that, because
I think people get controlled with what I'll be saying.
But shot the Rock Nations for paying a nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
For three years.

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
Shout I wouldn't survived them.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
Days.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
You know, I got a question for you too, Like,
coming off the super Bowl, watch what you said about
the bad Bunny Uh yeah, I saw some of the comments, so.

Speaker 7 (01:25:04):
He was mad at me. I know where you were
going point wise.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
But we probably elaborate on the show what you feel
about the bad Bunny things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I think this is that number one. I care about
my culture more than I care about anything. The way
I was raised was that if my son is fighting
a kid in the streets, I'm checking my son first.
We're gonna go deal with the streets shit. But hey,
what did you do? So let's get that out of
the way. So the bad Bunny thing is I was
just being accountable to my like to my friends.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
I'm like, I remember he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
I was like, that's dope. Do half and half though,
Like it's like Maro five came to Atlanta. It was
a big hoopo out they need black people, just a
black city. Maroe five. They caught that shit and brought
our outcasts. So I was just hoping that in the
midst of all of this that he would have went
with the like, I'm gonna be inclusive rather than just
celebrating only my culture, and that was my only thing.

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
By the way, I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Said that before he did it, I'm like, I hope he.

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
Does that, and he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
So I was like, man, I just don't know what's
gonna happen long term. I don't know if this is
jay Z's last year producing the super Bowl, because you
gotta remember, I pay attention to ship.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
Nothing is leaked in the press unless they wanted there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
The press.

Speaker 7 (01:26:05):
People be thinking the press or something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
The press is really the spirit, like the like plant
stories dispredious. So when I saw that this was Rock
Nation's fifth year contract, I'm like, he went out with
a bang. I don't know if we get that another time.
It's like when it's like when we were swagsurfing in
the White House, Nigga, that was I was mad as fuck.
I wasn't there that day, right because I know niggas
ain't gonna never be a swag surf in the White
House again.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
That I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
It's like, you know, we.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
Cele think a white felt look at bad like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
A swag surfing in a white house. And by the way,
white people are very passive aggressive.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
I know that. Look how they handle me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
They tay they love you until the last day, then
they cut your fucking throat.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
So I'm just saying that I know how they do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
And by the way, and I was just I was
just hoping that he had an inclusive thing because what
they he didn't and what they said was what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
He didn't have nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
It was in English, so you're saying the inclusive. The
exclusivity was the language part, the language part, because my
thing is if I know, but I wouldn't about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
That's what I'm saying. I wasn't thinking about. And I
think people made it up, like let me tell you
something I love, you know, women listen to tell you
someone n't in mind me for a reason and might
fuck my life up. I left the Bronx Nigga. It
was nothing but Dominican women. That was the only woman
I liked. But I want to protect my people, so
I'm like, let me tell you what they gonna say
about you if you don't do this. So that's what

(01:27:24):
I was really saying. And he didn't, and it's cool,
but I don't know if they let us. I don't
know if they're gonna let control that, because remember, the
NFL is not like the NBA.

Speaker 7 (01:27:31):
The NBA is controlled by niggas, so you're probably talking.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
On the buses side of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Just the business side. Like the only important thing to
me is us eating and surviving. People always worry about winning.
That's the problem what I called to everybody want to win.
It's not about winning, It's about surviving. Because let's be clear,
when Dame cursed out Kevin loves he was winning, but
Kevin Loughs survived, and that's why Kevin Loves worth three
hundred million. I give what I'm trying to say, and

(01:27:55):
sometimes we be so busy trying to win that we
fucking fuck our shit up because trying to get it's
my moment. I'm gonna take it. Yeah, but what if
you shared it? What if you didn't take the moment
and you shared it next time they have a moment,
you could say, look what I did with mine. I
know you're saying, long jelly fish, I can see it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
But I'll say this though, because this is a double
ed so because but you do have a good point,
so I can't even disagree with none of that. But
I did appreciate the fact that the bad Bunny moment
was truly authentic to his culture and what he presented.
Because when they gave Kendrick to stage, it was truly authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I said him, by the way, as well, I feel like, yeah, yes,
I feel like I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Like it was from Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I feel That's what I said, Like it was dope,
that it was purely authentically him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
So Kenvill did his show, I said the same thing.
I said, you think you should have split it too,
but I think no, I think he should have performed
the hits.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
I said that all day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I think I think he remember what I do for
a living, my nigga, I don't think people understand what
I do. Me and this nigga right here got it
going around with someone who we don't know. Figure out
how to write a speech that's going to change your
life in the song form, right. You know how hard
it is When Teharan was Juice, when Taran was like
with Lizzo with juice, shit, big girl, how the fuck
can we make this cool? Blame it on my juice.

(01:29:08):
I can't help it that I'm losing and nigga. One
my favorite line torontover Road was when he wrote for Lizzo,
I'm a thick bitch, I need tempo. Fuck it up
for the tempo. Fuck it up, put MISSI on it.
Like nigga, I write speeches for a fucking living bro.
So when you take what I say person, it was
weird to me, cause, like, Nigga, I love everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
I don't want to see nobody hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
He sounded like them people because my manager's Puerto Rican.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
That's my nigga, Like, I love like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
But I'm like, hey, Nigga, I will still tell you.
It's like if I brought my Puerto Rican friend into.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
A racist room. Hey, don't put that shirt on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, fuck that y I want them to know, Nigga,
we trying to survive.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I don't want to die today, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Let's survive. Let's get in the room, learn the game,
and take that shit from them, rather than go in
the room to make a statement. I don't believe in
making statements. I may want to look what it did
to my career. So I always like, nigga, political statements
might feel good in the moment, it's an emotional win.
It felt good in the moment, but what happens eight
months from now or nine months in September when they
announced Shanaia Twains performing right, well, we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Say, then what happened, nigga?

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
You know what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
We went too far the same way they going too
far right now, and Trump's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Suck it up.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Forts That's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
We're going so far. I'm in the middle. I love everybody.
If you love love, come to the middle. That's how
I feel, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
What I'm saying Bron can't argue with that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
But if we're thinking about the NFL's business mind, I mean,
I'm assuming because I don't know they're thinking internationally. They're
trying to become FIFA or whatever the fucking soccer ship.
So they that's why I feel that they I agree.
I don't think they give a fuck about bad bunny
they was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
But I'm trying to sell you the NFL is and
ain't like the NBA. The NBA is controlled by us,
Lebron said, I ain't doing it. The reason that that's
that twenty twenty ship and they were trying to figure.

Speaker 7 (01:30:47):
Out they was gonna keep the league going. Lebron said,
I want.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
To play leaves going.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Lebron said that you understand who those powerful people out
in the room that control this ship. So when he
said we're doing it right, I get you. So only
thing is like money, thing is like when you're a leader.
Like I feel like I say this, I'm gonna tell
you another thing. I don't think that Donald Trump is
no different than any of our favorite rappers. He's the
same as our favorite rapper. You want to break it
down for y'all niggas, I can break it down. Okay, cool, Okay, cool.

(01:31:13):
This is a problem that we don't understand. This is
why I speak the way I do because I knew
Trump was gonna win.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
I knew he's gonna be powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Because that's the first time that's side I had a
nigga talking like hole talks for us for them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Yes, I'm trying to say, let's talk, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Tw fifth, twenty twelve thirteen, they put out a statement.
They put out like that, Like I said, the press
leaves us, y'all by two thousand and forty, America is
gonna be a majority Latino niggas.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
Was happiest.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Fuck, I love Latino women. Bring it off, let's go,
and then here come Trump. He's the fucking great white
hope to stop that shit. What was the first bold
thing he said? I'm gonna build a wall. That's what
the motherfucking people that was afraid of being a minority wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:31:52):
He was speaking their language.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
The same way when if Hove is on stage and
he says some shit like hold so cracked, and niggas
a like, he's a crack dealer for us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
We like nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
He doing what we gotta do, niggas, I'm hating on
our nigga. Trump is the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
He going what you got to do to get his
walk in front of his people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
My only thing is that sometimes when you go against him,
you like Jean. That was a nigga named Jene Simmons
that just went against hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
You're stupid, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
You could have kept that shit to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yet right right, that's a fact.

Speaker 7 (01:32:16):
By the way, By the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Way, you know what I tell people kiss? You know,
anybody know what kiss stands for? Okay, I'm gonna tell
you know. They have a famous thing in that that
when you're when you're up, that's when the.

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
Devil shows up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Right, kiss stands for kings and Satan service.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
What the fuck do we care?

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
What he's saying, I ain't know that the Kings of
saintan service.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
That's crazy that they give a fuck what you say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I don't want to be know where you at, it
where you're going to. Hell On, nigga, I'm still trying
to figure out to get the heaven. Every rat niggas
trying to get to head right now, you know, only
Nigga to my I'm with Satan.

Speaker 7 (01:32:46):
Stay right there, nigga. We don't want to be where
you at.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
The only thing is when I don't, people misconstrue what
I'm saying. I'm a dad. I talk like a dad.
I act like a father, like when your father is different.
Like in the house, Mama makes you feel comfortable. Dad
needs to get you ready. Mom loves you, Dad prepares you.
I didn't have that in the house. I was just
but I'm not gonna tryuma bump my head. So I
bumt my hair so many times in one and I'm like,

(01:33:10):
what they said, I ain't really true, y'all. Right, but
they said I ain't really true, y'all. This is another
way to win, nigga. When me and Toron came into business, Bro,
when you hit thirty you was done. If you were black,
tront Is forty fucking three, I could say that proud
and the ain't no black writer hotter than that nigga
right now.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
You know why, nigga, because while.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Everybody was working on winning Norrie, you know what me
and Toront was doing planning out survival. You know, Toron,
you go work with doctor Luke. Every other nigga getting
role with Luke. They trying to figure out to get.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
A big hit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Toront didn't want to hit. Toront want to learn what
Luke knew. Me and Toronto twenty twelve, we sat down
with each other. I said, Yo, bro, here's a plan.
I'm gonna go work for La for three years. I'm
gonna treat that like college. And you go work for
Luke for three years. You treat that like college. We're
gonna come back up. We're gonna build our shit. That's
why he's hot in his grades, got great hair on
his face, and he still he wrote the biggest song
of the year last year. Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
That's all I want to say. What great hair in
his face. The only thing I tell niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Is while we worried about winning, so I worried about winning,
survived the game, Survive the game, Learn the game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Everybody be so busy trying to come in to win.
I'm trying to take over. Don't take over yet. I'm
a very goo.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
I want to do it right Before I do it,
I don't want to do it a nigga. I could
be making money for my podcast Niggas on my face,
but my name would be bad right now because I
took money not knowing what I was doing. Let me
learn this shit. Plus, I make a million dollars a
year of music if I get out the better or
not because I'm man.

Speaker 7 (01:34:28):
It's the greatest nigga alive and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
A marketing let's talk for the greatest nigga life. Took
the wrong that's a nigga I make my money with. Yeah,
it's real shit though, you dropping jewels, nigga, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
I just want to I want to help my people, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I just want to see niggas eat, Bro, and I'm
and niggas that are eating don't want to see niggas eating.
And that's what the truth. That's why they don't say.
That's why we play each other. That's why we don't
want each other in the room. Barry Gordy had a
statement where he said, when he was a kid, he
used to be a door to door salesman. He made
so much money his first day he brought his little brother.
The second day he ain't make no money. The lesson
you learned was two niggas as bad for the room.
I disagree. You should teach the nigga how to act

(01:35:04):
like you. He just didn't know how to act in
the room. That's a fact, that's all it is. So
you should have talked to nigga how to react. So
now they got two smiling niggas. Rather than one smiling nigga,
another nigga ain't smile. He smile for your whit folks, nigga,
because I'm trying to get paid nigga, you sometimes need
that nigga in the room. Right, So said, we just
got to get back to you like helping each other.
And I don't think Black folks trust each other, trust

(01:35:25):
each other. Unfortunately, it's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
We don't.

Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
It's whack, bro. I'm trying to build. I'm trying to we.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
See us as our own enemy. It happens every day.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
When you're walking down the street, you see a black man,
you act defensive. You see what you're going to go
to the sidehere the white guys at.

Speaker 7 (01:35:40):
Change my whole life. No, somebody told me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
They said, every time a black man gets successful, when
he gets to the table, the people at the table
make him feel like you're different from the others.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
That's why you're here. It's a mental thing. It's like
super mental. It's the fact you're here because you're.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Not like them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
If I'm here because I'm not like them, the one
thing I want to be more than anything is not
like them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
So that's how we That's why we let them manage us,
their lawyers, their thing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
That's that's how that's how we gotta throw. They brainwashed
us to feel like everything black is discounted the cheap.
You don't go for the black lawyer, you don't go
for the black executive. No, you take the deal from
the white man and think it's right because it's coming
from that side washing telling you we've been fucked up
a long time. I learned to learn that, but I
learned that as an adult. We was not that as
no kid. Yo, man, thank you brother.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Something. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
You need to be celebrated.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
Bro, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
Why it's because of everything you just said. Everything you
just said, it's like kind of crazy. Is because.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
We need to understand what you just said. Bro, Bro
my nigga, I want to tell you something. If I
want you to hear this story, this is this is
one of the moments that fucked my life up in music.
I'm in the middle of a deal. Never told the
story publicly. I'm in the middle of a deal, big deal,
their deal, fuck it, their deal with They want to

(01:37:08):
leave Universal to go to another company. I'm already at
Universal because I got a deal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
This is your writer.

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
This is Tehran missing my writers. They want to sign.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
They'll give the manager deal as long as the writers
are there. So they gave me my deal. My deal
ended in April. His shit came up in September, so
I'll read upped, Like all right, his shit's trying to reup.
He like, I don't know if I want to stay.
So we're in the middle of the deal and we
lose it, right, So we're about to go to another company.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
But who cares if you lose a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
The CEO of Universal calls me and tells me you're done,
You're black balled. You never could come to my building again.
Why cause your guys don't want to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
I looked out for your motherfucking son.

Speaker 7 (01:37:46):
Your son was hanging.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
My nigga wrote for your son when he was trying
to come up now with a sudden because he don't
want to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Be with you.

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
That's how they see us, bro. So they tell us this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
So now I get on the phone his lawyer, his lawyer.
I'm like, yo, bro yo, I just got cursed out
by her. She told me I'm banned from the building,
and I know it's not my fault. So he's like
so he was like, it's crazy. She said that it's
really her lawyer fault because he didn't send the deal
over in time. So they felt like, these niggas if
they want us, why I didn't get the deal. So
I tell the lawyer, Yo, bro, we should tell her
then because I just got banned. My nigga, this is

(01:38:15):
my life. He literally goes, if I tell her that
that lawyer gonna get fired. Okay, his exact words, a
jew getting another jew fired. No, my brother, I gotta
talk to my rabbi first. Change the way I saw
the world. Why don't niggas do that for each other.
Why don't you want me to get a nigga now
you want a nigga. I'm not doing that to him,

(01:38:38):
And we did thatigga, think about like nigga that by
the way, that dude I got fired and he didn't
want to make that happen. I gotta talk to my
rabbi first. We got to be like that as black folks.
We got to be able to say, we need I
gotta go talk my mentor my pastor my somebody. Just
get there, because I'm not gonna throw another black person
under the bus for myself to survive.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
And we do that to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
So when I saw that, I was like, man, I
didn't never think that was possible.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
So I like that, Now you want what the black person.

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
I ain't doing that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
I ain't doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
I ain't lying in no nigga for you. I ain't
stealing from no niggas. I If you do something to him,
I'm telling them, because why the fuck would you put
me in the middle of that, Because there's a rule
in this business we never talk about, you know, the
rule they don't touch the gangsters don't touch white men.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
They only touched black men.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
That's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
We know that's the rule. That's not the rule, but
it's the truth. No nigga, that's a street rule. You
don't touch us. They tell you that you touch us
might not ever get a check again. You touch each other.
We cool with that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
It's just the game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
Just had to learn this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Once I learned it was set for us to lose,
I start teaching my niggas how to win. If you
listen to me, I will say this on record, Toronto,
my witness. Ain't no nigga on God that ever listened
to me that didn't get rich with me. That's real
shit because I only got one go as to get
rich and with my me and my people.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
So I talked like and that's another thing. I was
nor you know what I mean, niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
I gave game two that will call me for gaming,
I'll tell him what to do, and they shit took.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
Off and they didn't call me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
God damn nigga. But I know why you ain't called
me because you no, I ain't call me. Care you
afraid I'm gonna take your bitches. I think I'm playing
my nigga. This is about bitches because he's the man
in the room.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
He's the man.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
Now I did this.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
I'm the king and I'm walking in the room and
I ain't gonna treat them like the king.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I'm gonna treatim like eat my nigga, and the business
is gonna like me, and he ain't gonna want me around.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
So you stay your ass at home, nigga. I'll be
a bigger praser.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
I'm telling you, nigga, you wouldn't believe how many niggas
don't eat because of women in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
What that's real?

Speaker 7 (01:40:26):
Ship, It's a it's a serious thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
But I want to give your props for dropping jewels
because you definitely gave me some jewels that I took
with me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
I don't want to give you say thank you to you.
Give me the opportunity, both of y'all. Can we talk
about show?

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
I want to know what about They gave me a show?
Can we can we talk about give me opportunity?

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
I can't want to drink champs. He said, Hey, we
fun with you. You want your own show. I was nervous
at first, but I said yeah, niggah, and I don't
know what to do. I was mad, nervous. I didn't
know what to do it. He gave me the best
Joe up. He said, don't overthink it, just shoot what
you want to see. I was like, oh shit, say
let's man, so tell me about it. So I'm doing
my own version of rap city. I feel like it

(01:41:05):
doesn't exist. So it's not a podcast of a TV show.
I'm doing rap City. Shout out the big pick a
pig tick of for Lane, the Foundations. It's my version
of rap city. So I sit down with the artist,
we talk kicking kicky kick. But instead of the rapping
in a booth, they're gonna rap with my live band, Nigga.
I gotta I don't ask live band, so they spit.
You can do whatever soon you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
But really I just want you to dumb out and
go crazy. Whatever you want to spit, it's got to
be classic. My show ain't to show for I got
a promal room. Let me go promote the single. I'm
gonna talk about that. I want to make classic moments
in time. That's it. I don't care about content or that.
I don't go fuck about that I want whatever we
create the last ever, pitch your best verse that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
You never spied now where or spit your favorite verse.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Spit it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
Whatever the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Laura can come on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Do what what go crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Do some CNN ship, whatever the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Just classic ship.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
That niggas want to head with the live band and
if we talk about some real ship so it's not
version of rap.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
And it's coming. They know what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
Man, I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
I'm a student. I watch y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:42:07):
I was like no, but we want to we want
to end this with you because because I'm gonna be
honest with you.

Speaker 8 (01:42:12):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, you're one of the like you know, uh, thank
you still some in the ice.

Speaker 13 (01:42:20):
The legendary industry people done it, man, you've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
We want to respect you. Whatever it is working and.

Speaker 6 (01:42:37):
That ship is dope, bro, Thank you, like really what
you did and really what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:43):
And I'm still doing it and still.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
Doing it and I just I just want to give
your flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Bro. Indeed, so hold on, where's where's all right?

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Let's go my dog? Yeah, I got I got to
with you, my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Serious indeed, real real quick though, before we end anything,
I do have a serious industry question.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
It's not serious, that's anything.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
It's pretty vague from the sound of it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
You feel that writing today is more important than the
recording artist.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, I think I think
the I'm sorry before because.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
We're going we've all know that the days of physicals
that made a ton of money for everybody changed with streaming,
and we're all complaining. Everybody's complaining about streaming and not
making money from it. So it feels like the the
economics of being the writer is more valuable in streaming.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
No, hell no, what So that's.

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
Reason why were making money because we got radio records.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
Streaming don't pay right as shit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
That's the fact, right, I mean you can have If
you could be a platinum songwriter of a song and
you made twenty four thousand dollars of a song that
went platinum one hundred and fifty million streams, you made
what a twenty four thousand songwriter they get treated with.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
And when you say radio, you mean terrestrial. Shout out
to is also talking about this all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Yes, you have to have radio to win, and you
have to like that's how we eat. We like we
make radio records. We make like I don't let me
say something. I don't even go in the room with people.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
You gots throng.

Speaker 7 (01:44:13):
That's how rule were all out in the project.

Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
Right now we're out at the project.

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
So like what y'all doing with the project? Y'all going out?
You're like going to radio? Like no, no, we just
working the streets, all right, Cool, all right, cool? I
mean to see what I got for you. I'm not
saying I won't give you something that I got, but
I'm not stopping my day for you. You ain't even
trying to go to radio, nigga, Like what are you
talking about? So we eat because of radio. My thoughts
on the music business is music sucks because some people

(01:44:38):
from the tech world came in and zoomed on artists,
on artists alone. It was like they focused on the artists,
like artists, why are you giving up so much? Because
they didn't value people like us. Now people like us
are gone and music sucks. So my only thing is
to say is that the artist is the meal, but
we are the chefs are the and R is a chef,
the producer of the chef. The songwriters and chef is

(01:44:59):
some artists don't know how to cook.

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
Whitney Houston never wrote a lyric in her life.

Speaker 4 (01:45:03):
She was still the biggest artists on earth right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Like it's like sometimes think artists in his time is
so business is so zoomed in on us right now,
own your masters, own your this, own your that. My
thing is make a fucking hit first, learn how to
make a hit. That's like like walking in the room
you worried about like you worried about the business. It's like,
I want to come here and do some business with y'all.
I got to learn the room first. I ki'd just say, no,
get your contracts out. Let's talk about the business.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
We don't know you. We might not even like you. Nigga.
Can you sit down and let us get to know
you for me get to know you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
We don't have that no more, we don't have the
turant is successful and nobody does this.

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
I do this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Somebody want to meet with Taran, want work with my artists.
They got to meet me first.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
So you you was managing you man. You know it's dope.
Shout out to toront too. What was dope is that
you're a person that shares jewels, protect the artists and
integrity of things, and help God because as a writer,
I wrote a bunch of shit too, But I never
had the guidance. I got jerk a million out of
a million situations. You know I didn't because I didn't
know the business early. I don't know so many records
that I got bad deal because I didn't know no better.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
So he got the guidance partnership from you rather, and
that shit is important.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
You know, I feel like I'm the nigga. I don't
feel like I'm a nigga for a lot of reason.
I feel like I'm the nigga. Find my family love me.
But you know, I really feel like I'm the nigga
because I'm here. Every nigga that's here that do what
I do. They manage your mother. They managed Tom Brady.
I managed the nigga that block for him. I managed
the offensive line. I managed the center that gives him
the ball and make sure nobody hears.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Let me take let me let me tell you what
I'm supportant.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Because now, if you're in the NFL, you know, if
the offensive line man, but if you were just a fan,
of football, you know, Tom Brady. I come in and
room with a nigga that don't even want to be
known by y'all niggas, and I come in here and
I make a name for myself because I served everybody.
I'm me and Toronto Master P. We served the whole business,
my nigga. Now we're here to get our own ship,

(01:46:57):
and my ship is media. He got, we got the label,
We got the artist. We got three or four artists
signed out out of our label to majors, not like
sitting at home waiting like everybody signed. Because we do
this ship and we really coaching. So for me, I
just I hate to not see niggas eat.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:47:09):
That's I swear to God, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
If anybody watching ship, the one thing I care about
more than anything is niggas eating because of a nigga
eat when you eat, and noy You notice when a
nigga started eating, he come up, He become.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
A better person. That's the fact he starts spending out
better messages.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Look at you, nigga, nigga, I would have been scared
of seeing that noise.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Watch your.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Na is nord. Can you understand now learn about the nigga,
and I tell you this. I said, the last thing
is important. Here's why we're gonna win. And this is
what i'mnna tell y'allnigga. This is my advice to y'all
on real ship, because what y'all doing is fire, because
that's kind of what leans in it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
For the first time when I was a kid, when
my mom was my mom was listening to and I'm
pretty sure all y'all can relate our parents was listening.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
To their music. Hip Hop was our music for the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
First time in history. Hip Hop is our music and
our his music. So that means there's a huge opportunity
to bring the dinner table together.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Other than that's like fake. Nicki Minaj like hey, rapping
like NIGGI is hip hop and Jason people then hip
hop writing those records.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
My sister, my my daughter, wrapped.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
That ship like not Dotty and she be doing to
dance and ship and I'm like that, So I got
every morning I was, I was done, done, done.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
This is like records.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
I was like, Yo, you did this.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
But my thing I'm trying to tell us in the
hip hop community is our problem. Are we not rich
is because we're running from everything hip hop. Hip hop
has matured. Fifty years is fifty years story. You don't
think there should be a TV show on CNN, not
the fucking TV SChannel. Nigga called Poona nore Yega Nigga
a TV show because now you're here, think about it

(01:48:55):
was a TV show on wol Tang. We got so
many stories to tell. You got meach Me, which is
one of the biggest dope boys. His son is playing him.
That's what we are and why is the son playing him?
Because the show is ran by nigga and hip hop.
I feel like the reason why we so fucked up
out here is because we don't want to be We
want to be everything but hip hop.

Speaker 7 (01:49:12):
Nigga. We got fifty years, fifty stories, Nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
We need it.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
We got so many opportunities to bring the family together.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
And I want to say something that's important I think
might fly with a lot of people's heads.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Bad Bunny at the super Bowl. That's a hip hop story,
Bad Bunny.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
That doesn't happen if hip hop doesn't happen, and it's
hip hop and it is a part of hip hop,
And I think bad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Bunny he won.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
They're all originally MC that couldn't make it as MC's
in Puerto Rico that started to do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
And tell people every artist is a bottle of water.
You're a water in a cup. You gotta package yourself up.
If I put if I took a fucking a centire
bottle of water and a cheap bottle of water, and
I poured him in a fucking bowl, you don't know
which one is. Whish my, nigga, they look the same.
Why do you know to pay three dollars for that
one and fifty cent for that one? Because the fucking packaging,
that's it, nigga. It could be the same water for

(01:50:01):
all we know. It's the packaging. So artists don't package themselves.
They so busy showed up saying look at my water.
We don't care, nigga, Get with a producer, get with
a manager, get with a songwriter, give with a whole
bunch of motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Let them put that package together and get money.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Nigga, Sorry, I'm tired, right right, you're right, fuck right,
We don't care. Nigga and Bad Bundy miss two nods
in his performance, or Amy Conto should have had a
nod mm hm and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
They hit it out. Should have had to mention at
the very least. I'm gonna be honest because he paid homage.
He paid homage.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
If anybody that was paying attention like the bad Bunny shit,
it was dope. And for Latino, I'm super chronicle Spanish
and the American.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Remember the vantage of Mike had a whole it was
about five hundred people watching. They didn't give a fuck
about the game. They was like it was that was
the super Bowl was amazing beneath everybody was picking in
the part and that's what That's what because it was
so cultural.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
That's what I personally.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Appreciate it because of that reason, the same reason why
I appreciate the candring ship, you know, because it was
so even though whether it was the best performance or not,
in fact, the fact that it was you just get me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
So we have to say what I'm gonna say this
NFL because I ain't never looked at the camera, which
I hear me out the NFL. I once you to
understand there's no one podcast in the world we're talking
about the super Bowl. If Shanaya Twain or anybody with
that mayonnaise Vanilla performs. You're not gonna have that four
six weeks of conversation around.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
This were giving him. I'm trying to tell you as
much as.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
You think y'all sitting around right now saying where we
could go stay with us. They're gonna watch the game,
they're gonna complain about us.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
I don't do.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
There's anything else so sick taking.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
A picture, taking the picture ship.

Speaker 7 (01:52:01):
Hey man, I love your niggas math Shi.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
It was like one of the greatest days of my
life because that's about what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
Thank you, Let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:52:07):
Let's no no, no, no, no, thank you, no no,
hold on, hold on, give him, Let's give me his
fucking flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
Give to him.

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
By the way, this is like my mother, fucking Grammy.
That is Grammy, nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
It means so much more coming from your own people,
that nigga gram Me.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
Yeah, y'all, y'all don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Nigga' I'm gonna be taking photos walking to my office
with this nigga.

Speaker 7 (01:52:31):
Just coming to your own Tell you know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Girl, I said, I have to do it because this
is the only place that they can't deny if you
sit in this chair I'm sitting and you are officially
a legend.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I can tell my son people say it. I can
say it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:52:48):
Here's my mother fucking proof.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
What I say get already got.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
That's a that's a fact. Y'all. Thank you, damn bro.
Come to my show too, man.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
I just.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
We go go fuck your show up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
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Speaker 9 (01:53:16):
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