#Throwback Episode - w/ Bun B | (Ep.91) - Drink Champs

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
And right now when we talk about legend.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Is because the thing about Drink Chance Podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
If we said that we're gonna start out and.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We're gonna only interview legends, and you know we straight
away because we got Hollywood, you could say, you know,
it's okay, I'm gonna claiming we got a little Hollywood.
But when the guests that we have tonight, there's no
way a person can ever question he's a legend, that

(01:26):
he's came from the bottom the dirt ug K, when
the South was actually not even looked at.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Now the South is the ship, But back then they
was on the battlefield.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Fight. They was on the battlefield. It was them an outcast,
and they were fighting against the whole East coast and
they came there and they stood down. Right now, it's
my honor to introduce my brother, my friend, one of
the best resisting one of the illest groups in the world.

(02:05):
That part of I'm talking about bum beef from U
g K. Let's make some.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I need I need every time I walk in the room.
You need to be in the room. The room, the room.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
What I'm gonna do it every time every artist walk
in the room. I'm just gonna introduce you. But listen,
here's a deal, bun. And what I just said is
real ship, because you came from the era where actually
the people who actually frowned on the South, people didn't
really want to look at people from the South and say,

(02:42):
you guys are lyricists. So you guys are artists, you
guys are whatever it was you guys and outcasts. That's
the only two groups I remember. I apologize if I
am there's at.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Groups that got their own frame of reference. I respect it.
You know what, There's definitely a lot of other people
three six my fear a ball m J. You know
down there Texas, the ghetto boys, I mean boys, no records, you.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Know, you wrap a lot of out right now.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, to this day you still got records. You
signed no more.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But still, let's let's respect that. Enough was that because
you know, back then they see New York is not
running the game right now, and you know what, fuck us,
we fucked up.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
But you gotta.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I feel like you didn't like that we got more
white people coming in, you know what I'm saying. Beginning
with roll checks, it's going down. So listen, So how
did you feel in the beginning when when because you
was against the test of time, you was against you
was playing against the actual uh a C.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I mean, you know back then, it wasn't really a
lot of money involved. So when you as a rapper,
what you wanted was like your respect, you know what
I'm saying. You wanted to be around other rappers and
had them been like, oh y'all heard your shit. You
nice with it, you know, and niggas can admit it
that if they want to or not. You know, they
can say whether they want to or not. But you, ultimately,

(04:17):
as an MC, no matter where you was from, wanted
to come to New York and have the people from
New York that you looked up to acknowledge you as
an MC. So for me in the early days, I
just wanted to be able to when I stood in
front of like Caine or g rap or Lord for
Ness or Kris One front of these people. You know
what I'm saying, that they would be like, oh, Bumby,

(04:37):
I heard of you. You nice. You know, it wouldn't
even guarantee you it was gonna make no money and
be famous or none of that. So for me, that
was all we wanted was to be able to stand
in front of the people that we looked up to
and had them based you know, tip your hat tip
they had to us.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And in case I don't know, if you don't know,
we tipped all hat to your guys.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Appreciate it a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
And then one of my favorite songs in the world,
and this is this is how you know this this
is real. Look, this is me, this is me. It's
not none of y'all, it's me. But one of my
favorite songs, going to the hotel. That's my wife.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I love her.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm so sorry I kept I kept my phone on
just for her.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm let's look but one of my favorite songs in
the world. One of my favorite times in hip hop
period is when Outcasts and UGK got together and not
only did y'all do a song, y'all did.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
A video, y'all did the whole thing where it was
like a wedding or some yeah, And it was crazy
because at the time, like and even really to this day, like.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Two Man, I'm a person from a two Man. Of course,
you know, I sat back, I said, damn, I wanted
to do something like that with mab D, but we
just never got it together.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
And there was a lot of times like you you know,
there's a lot of songs we wanted to do. Please
we want you all drink chats, Please come Scissor was
actually it was the first song from a group that
U g K and three six Mafia was doing together.
We were going to be the underground Mafia. I don't

(06:12):
know too many people know that. A couple of people
might know that the records of other records, like a Pimp,
So Sipping on Scissor was the record for their album,
and the song like a Pimp was a song for
our album. We did them super Bowl Weekend in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
But didn't make any kind of like an ep or project.
We never got definitely we never got.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
That far in too because ended up getting locked up,
so we never even got to finish as then coming
back home and then, like most people don't know that
the original version of Players Anthem was us in three
sixth so that's like the return actually of us getting
back to underground mafia music. But that version wasn't clear.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It just sounds underground. I want to be down with
happened a fee, so you know what. But I always
kind of like I always kind of like related to
you more because although people don't know this, but Pimp
was kind of like the wild card, and people think

(07:15):
I'm the wild call of the Coup, but in all actuality,
it's compone.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You in any other room with everybody, with any other
MC would probably be the wild card.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But you know the coon if I'm because he's he's
like the water of the wild brother. Okay, but so,
but that was one of the first things I identified
with because you know, Pimp was so outrageous, he was

(07:45):
so you know, outspoken, and then and then he will
always protect you too. It's not like he was gonna
be outspoken to say you know me, and but you said, no,
I'm speaking for myself.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Because he knew I knew a lot of people, and
I travel a lot. You know, Pemper was more of
an introverting you know, it kind of catch itself. And
this whole thing was like whatever issues he had, he
didn't want me to feel like I had to fight
his fights for him, Like he felt like he was
mad enough to fight his own fight. But you know,
I'm gonna be moving around and seeing people. So you're like, yo,
be trying to run up on bum be based on

(08:19):
what I said. You know what I'm saying, which I
have a problem with him, No way. That's why I
still went anywhere I wanted to go. You know, anybody know,
meaning when they see me, I'm usually one deep maybe
one other dude, but we're not gonna move. Yeah. Well,
I'm talking in my younger years, you know, back when
we was what did you say in my younger years
when we were back, I was.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Like, I didn't know that word was like your younger years.
So now let's take it to that, because Pimp says
something that still bothers me to this day. Okay, Pimp
said that Atlanta is shouldn't be considered the South right
because of the time zone. Right to this day, that

(08:58):
still conflicts in my mind.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I'm sure it doesn't make sense to everybody, wouldn't because yeah, no,
I'm sure like I said it to everybody. But I
think what Pep was trying to say, And I'm not
trying to make any apologies for him, because people say, look,
if I if I finished you with what I said,
I apologize, But I'm not apologizing for what I said.

(09:22):
You know what I'm saying. But what Pep was trying
to say, it was that, and it was real. At
the time when you went to Atlanta, you didn't necessarily
feel like you were in the South. Atlanta and Georgia
were primarily felt like very southern areas. But at the time,
Georgia had a large influx people from New York and
it's you know, if you drive down downtown to get
by Underground Mall and all of that stuff, you would

(09:45):
see dudes with timblands on the block.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, it happened in Miami as well, so you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So it was just it wasn't anything against the city
of Atlanta or anything like that. It was just like, yo,
when you come, when you moved through the South, you're
supposed to feel like you're in the South, but when
you go to New York, you feel like you're in
New York. You know what I'm saying. And but I mean,
it was what it was. Have anybody felt about it,
you know, we just I mean, that's just how you
felt at the time.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Now you know you guys ugk. I just I don't
know if you know, but I would like to express
this expression is you was guys. Was one of the
first groups from the South that directly identified with New York.
Even though we weren't Pembin. We weren't doing that ruin
exactly identifying, but we were exactly identifying.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
We tried to make sure as simple as possible for
people and try to align the shit that we was
going through with the shit other people was going through.
So we understand the world as a ghetto, you know
what I'm saying. So really the only difference in most
of these hoods is the clothes and the slang. Once
you get past that, you're gonna understand everything that's happening

(10:52):
in that neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, and you'll
know how to move in that neighborhood. Okay, they went
against the Knights on the West Coast. They wearing rebok
in New Orleans. You know, they were timberlands in New York.
You know what I'm saying. It's different, Okay, what they mean,
Buck fIF.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm sure you know what the graz is so true,
we really do.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, no, And in the South, like you see a
dude walking around in the South with some pans of
the timberlans off came from here, you know. But we
just want to identify with that. So okay, So once
we go and see these things, we realize, okay, outside
of the clothes and the and the talk, the world
is the ghetto. So we're just gonna talk about the
ship that we see every day. Have to and just

(11:35):
assume that that's pretty much the ship everybody seeing every day,
you know.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And that's my question to you because you guys being
from the South and you guys from the real South,
and I don't mean that any other part.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Of the South is what we call it deep South.
We like to call it deep South deep shot.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like when I'm listening to the Pepsi and I'm listening
to where he's coming from, and he's saying that it's
a different time, I'm on all that. How did you
know that if you spoke about your hood the world
will relate to that? Because I didn't. Before you answer that,
Before you answer that, because I never made the war
report for the world.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I made the war report from our hood. That's it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I can't believe Europe when I go out there and
these white people be like, crazy, fucking you, I didn't
make this for you, And I think everybody's like that.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
No, I think I think you know, you make your
first album for the hood, you make your second album
for the world, and then if you get that far,
you make you start making music for yourself. Damn. You

Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's make a noise, but no.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
But that's what it is, man, the beginning. That's all
you want to do because you don't really know if
anybody's going to be checking for you outside of your neighborhood.
But you know, niggas in the hood is wating to
listen just to see I in case you fuck up. Really,
that's what it is. So it's like, Yo, I got
to make sure I stun hard, so niggas going not
playing so that when I go out and be like
I'm from niggas no back into Dunta du that when

(13:02):
I leave, I'm ripping that because if you don't wrap
home rights, you can't go back. At least that's where
I'm from. You know what I'm saying. Don't know about
nobody else. Now, Wrap a Lot Records, Yes, Jay Prince is.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
One of the most legendary relations ever. And you guys,
how was that to even be affiliated with rap Up?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It was a trip because when we when we went
to rap a Lot, it was it was in the
midst of everything going crazy with Job Records rap a
Lot and they came and tried to sign UGK and
early ninety record. He was like he wanted to bring
us over the rap a Lot and we was like,
well we number one in all this situation. We don't
want to go and have to be behind the ghetto

(13:41):
boys and Scarface. That was one thing Pimple's like, if
we go sign with anybody, They already got their roster
and we got to find all the spot. But if
we stay in all the spot, we number one on
our roster and we ain't never got to fight for position.
So but then once we got into the JIB system,
we realized.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
We were just in their roster. They wouldn't even cared
about it.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
So we just you know, we operated in a way
where it was like we don't get the support from
the label. We don't get the back of from the label,
we don't get real money from the label, visual support, market,
and none of that shit. So we just gonna move
like we ain't even on no label. We're gonna make
sure we're doing shows. We're gonna make sure we still
doing records with motherfuckers and still trying to get money whatever,

(14:22):
and until they tell us we can't do something, we
just gonna just keep independent grinding. So for us, we
spent a lot of years arguing with the record company,
and we would literally eat off of like doing features
and making beats for niggas and just being out on
the road and doing shows and shit, yo, y'all on
job before yeah, yeah, our original record company was Big
Time Records. That was the independent label we signed to,

(14:43):
and then they did a deal with Job in ninety
and like May and ninety two, and we stayed on
Job Records all the way up until after Pimp passed away.
But our solo albums was with rap a Lot, and
it came at a time where like Pimp was locked
up and you know, we were stifled by the record
company and we just needed to get the message out.
And so j Prince was the one that that helped

(15:05):
me get in a position because what I said I
wanted to do a solo album. Job was like, no,
we're not fucking with that. If Pimp and Jail and
he ain't making the music and he ain't on the record,
like they're basically saying, piperse the ship. You you just
kind of like the sidekick's not gonna pop up without you.
And so and so I left and went to Asylum
and put our solo record at Soul seven fifty independent.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Let me tell you something, as a person, that's and.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
That ain't no streams and no download that's CD person
as a two man group, a part of a two
man group. The love that you guys had for each
other was something that I admired. It's something that I treasured,
something that I looked out for. And here's the crazy ship.

(15:52):
And one's gonna tell you I was as big as
UGK friand but Pimp C was the person he that's
not going to do it just do a record with you.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
He has to question, he has the question you.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
He has to hang out with you.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
And I kid you that.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Look. Look, he told me I'm doing the record with
you knowing, but he still wanted to hang out. And
we said that, and we tell him one we hung
out for an hour.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Like from like seven o'clock in the evening til like
easy three in the morning, easily three.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, but that's not the time that I know.
But that was the thing with.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well Pimp is what I respect. It is he heard
about me, he heard I.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Was a real nigga, but he still wanted to meet me,
and he still wanted to look at me face to face,
it the eye. And that's the thing is I take
that to me to today, like you know, anybody who's
you know, I don't give. I can love your record,
but now I want to hang out with you.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, the records that recording hip hop that require two people.
I ain't even got the two people in the same room,
you know what I'm saying. There's probably more more than that.
You know, motherfuckers actually do records, haven't hit record and
don't even meet the motherfucker to the videos.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
We come from relationship, We come from that. Even if
I wanted to send you out a record, I can't
right now. I gotta come get it.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I gotta yeah, I'm coming where you at her. You
gotta come to mind because that's the only way we
can physically do this. Otherwise I got to send my
whole record, and that definitely has.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
To change the dynamic of the way. You know, the
music comes out of.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
The end well for one and you for one.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You don't get into a situation where like nowadays, dudes
get into situations and do songs and they be deeping
the motherfucker life and don't even really know who they
fucking with. And then something happens and you start to
see a true character these dudes. But your name is
already tied in with that person because it might not
be your biggest it, but it might be their biggest, right,
the biggest you know what I'm saying, so now you
tie it into whatever that motherfucker got going on, whereas

(18:06):
back then you actually got to meet the motherfuckering and
see who they were and know who they were about.
You been able to call and be like, yo, say
like we're finish do a song with Norris. I can
call somebody from New York and be like, hey, and
no nigga, he real nigga. Oh yeah, yeah, he wrung
with so and so. And now they be over there.
You'll be knowing who nobody is.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Oh, you see a situation where motherfucker got beef and
you just noticed they did mad records with that person
just a year ago or six months ago, and now
they beef for like a motherfucker because they never built
that even.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
And that's that's what I never understood, because that ship
is a lot of That ship is so easy to
squad either on that either on I'm already drinking, I'm drink,
I'm with you, you drinking drinking, where like beef is
very easy to squash or very easy to pop off.
Like most of these people go to the same ship,
invited to the same ship. So if you really wanted

(18:59):
to get asked them. And with social media, and you
can either send somebody at DM or you could take
get phone. Now I get anybody phone them. I'm sure
anybody could get my phone if they wanted to hard enough.
So all that talking and flexing and shit on like
the gramdmar whatever you want to call it, all that
shit like that, that automatically tells me that I feel
like nobody real in the situation. That's just me from

(19:21):
the outside looking in, because anytime I have had, any
time I ever had or sawid situation where it was
this is not my staff, this is not my staff,
where it was on like people was moving on it
because I don't think people realize like what he said
on the reference rooms out there, fuckers didn't really make
like we're playing. They wouldn't. If they could get at you,
they would get at you. If they couldn't, then maybe

(19:42):
they might recollect make a record letter nigga know they're
trying to get but they would actively trying to get
at motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
You know. Now, One of the things off top I
gotta I gotta bring up, we gotta talk about her
is trill you brothers bring that word trail to the game.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Trill is overused right.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Now, these guys are using it, they're not really understanding
where they got it from.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
And it's a problem now, Like we at first speak
about it. At first, it's like slang, right, Like it's
very hard to like quote copyright slang. I've never caught
right in my sling. But but then people get to
trying to capitalize and monopolize, and that room we had
a problem because now you're trying to make some money
off of something that I wasn't even trying to make

(20:29):
money off of, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, exactly,
So like we had to copyright shit just to protect it,
protect it, you know what I'm saying, And then you
still get money.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, still, but then people still assault the brand.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And like I just had a meeting with some young kids,
you know what I'm saying, and there they love the city,
they love the culture, and they're trying to do something
to represent the culture. When I see that, I know
that it's not somebody trying to appropriate my ship and
appropriate the culture. I can work with you, you know
what I'm saying, Let's do his shirt together. But then
when I see people that are old enough to know right,
because the kids I'm talking about, like twenty two, twenty three,

(21:03):
they don't know. But when I see like a thirty
five or thirty six year old motherfucker out here trying
to sell stuff, you know. I tried to let a
lot of things wash over because I didn't think it
would be as aggressive as it was. But with social
media and likes the especially like the Instagram, I haven't
chaced it. I tried with association half of the week,

(21:25):
but then people started becoming very like actively trying to
just steal from the brand that had no no, I'm good,
I'm gonna keep it neat. Oh you keeping neat, keeping neat.
Continue And then you know, his wife was like, look,
this is becoming too much. People are just doing too much.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know what I'm saying, doing too much, Like I
was going to shoot a couple of people for you
or probably would have even called you I.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
And I'm like, when it comes to music and that
kind of stuff, I don't mind that, you know what
I'm saying. Just make sure you about that if we've
run up, if we run I ain't saying run up
to fight you, but if I'm ever in the room
with you, you know what I'm saying. If you choose
to call yourself this, just please come across as this respect.
You know what I'm saying, Like if you, if you,
if you get on the regular people, if I know
what y'all mean by if I do a regular say

(22:06):
you was playing with trill mean Trill was always more
than just a word. It was a way of life.
It was something that kind of spoke to a way
of life. So it was about the way that you
carried yourself. Trill originally started in the Texas in the
penitentiary system. You know what I'm saying, that's a word.
So that word came home the PA from the penitentiary
in like eighty eight. So it was a word that

(22:27):
can use, I'm sorry from to put out the Texas.
That's so the homie came home East Coast, when you
say so, the homely little block came home from jail,
and and and little Block started talking, started talking about trill.
He was one of the first people to really use
that term. And eventually a lot of people on the
west side of town started using it, and then people

(22:48):
and put out there in general just started using it.
So when we started making music, we were like, well,
this is a word that not only represents who we
are and where we're from, but will also separate us
from everybody that's already in hip hop. For people in Dallas,
people just prop and perd. It was separated. It was separated. Yeah,
so it wasn't our things, but it was it was

(23:09):
all in terms of where we were from, you know. So,
so we always give credit to the home. And that's
why when we copyrighted, it was never to just go
out and sell T shirts and merch none of that ship,
but to protect the integrity of this ship, because I'm
responsible for that ship. You know what I'm saying. When
they see niggas misusing trill, they don't get mad at them.
They get mad at me. Like you out there, like
we hear the projects. We can't get here. You gotta

(23:32):
go to LA and check rock and you gotta go
over to these places to check these dudes.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
You know what I'm saying, No, damn, But I just
still that that's that's very true.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
That's the obligation, you know what I'm saying. And so
and I can get busy and call up stuff. So
my wife is a real good barometer. She'd be like, yop,
somebody trying it again. Let's pick up your wife, you
know what I'm saying. But look, because White is like, yo,
if they if they eating that money out of our pocket,
and that's why we wasn't even trying to get so
she was like, we ain't out here like exploiting it.
So if they're gonna exploit it, it's not right. I

(24:04):
agree with wife the shooter's number before we leave. Oh no, no,
wife is the shooter.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
No no, no, no no, you can't have wifes go
to jail. We're gonna give them the shooters get me.
But listen, and here's the thing. And I'm sorry, I'm
getting going to a little dark place, but we recently
just lost Prodigy real and the thing about that is, uh,

(24:34):
your partner, your two men, right, So what could be
your advice to have it right now?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's just the first thing you got to do is
support the family as much as you can. That's it, right.
And now, sometimes the family doesn't want to be supported, right,
sometimes because they're staying with greed.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
And sometimes you know they have an idea of what
they want to do, Like with pimp's wife, for example,
she had an idea of what she thought her husband's
legacy should be. People think that I should take the
lead and have the idea of what his legacy should
be started.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
For one second, everybody wanted you to. But he's the
reality to know how much you respected pimp.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's not deeper than that. It's not even just it's
deeper than the respect I have a pimp. Should anything
happen to me, right or wrong, I would hope that
people support my wife. That's all I'm asked, you know
what I'm saying. If she is right or she's wrong,
If she wants to run it into the ground, then
let her do that. But please, like, just just just
support her. Right. If she don't know, she don't know,

(25:38):
no better try to tell her. If she don't want
to listen, just support as much as you as much
as you can, right without compromising yourself respect. That that's
all you can do, you know. Like I said, people,
the wife has an idea, Maybe the kids have an idea,
Maybe the mother has an idea. Different people have different
ideas of how they feel the legacy should be maintained.

(25:59):
The the consumer, the listener, to fan base. Because they
don't know as much about his personal life assumes that
the closest person to him is me. So people always like, yo, Bun,
I know you got pimpcy versus I know you got
UGK songs. And I have to educate people about how
that works, Like no, the estate has everything. Once passes away,

(26:20):
then the estate gets all the music. Like my I mean,
I got what forty two songs? I don't have any
pimpsy music on. It's not because I don't want it,
because it's much. It's it's more profitable to the estate
in their hands than it is in my hand like that,
you know, and we want them to eat. That's what
we want, you know, so we you know, whether we
agree no, But it's just being real because and I

(26:44):
got to lead by example, because.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Because you know, I've got a lot of that. But
you've got seventeen point verses. I've never used one.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You just don't want to lean on it or not
want And the other thing is that you know, if
too many people lean on the legac he, then it
can't it can't rise, right, If everybody's holding on to it,
then they can't really rise with the angels like it's
supposed to. So it's my job to keep ship off
his name, keep dirt off his name, and to keep
people from attaching themselves to something that they really want

(27:12):
a part two. You know you don't want to talking
about bitch ass nigga.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Bitch ass nigga. Now let's take it. I know we
spoke about it a little bit earlier, but Big Pan.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Still international calling call any country I go.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
When they su because they sue jay Z every year
for toy.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So is what happened, this is this is what was
crazy about the whole thing. When we did the song,
Ho was like, yo, I want to buy the publishing
on this, and we were like telling you that it
won about our publishing on the show, I'm saying, and
so we were like, what do you mean. He was like, yo,
we we kind of want to keep all of this.

(27:59):
And at the time, this is a very strange beat.
This was not something that pimp really wanted to do.
And they and they were really they were going towards
the Mariah record. At the time. He had a record
with Mariah and I was supposed to be the one.
This was like something down the road. So they but
they had they were cast flush. So niggas like, yeah,
we want to buy you out on this, you know

(28:19):
what I'm saying, Like fully, and we was in a
place where like.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yo, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
We were like, yo, you know what.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You're like, We'll take it, you.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Know, And then the song becomes literally you have to
understand at one point, this is the biggest record in
the world, Like I'm looking at the BDS numbers and
it's like five thousand, seven thousand, eleven thousand, fifteenth. I've
never seen anything like this with anything period. And then
my name is attached to it, and like we started
trying to do the math. We don't even know the
intricacies of this shit, but nigs are trying to like,

(28:50):
let's just say five cents, nigga, you know what I'm saying,
And we start trying to do the math on It's like, yo,
it's a lot of money that we kept on the table.
And then of course Pemp gets up the lawsuit because
the lawsuit doesn't happen until pimp goes to jail. Oh okay,
so then the lawsuit happens, and then the money is
fucked up anyway because Happy group is locked up. So
then it was like yo, they can shoot, like yo,

(29:11):
we ain't get nothing. We ain't get shipp they can't
get nothing from So they go to prison and they
get the lawyer and do the deposition, like, yo, we've
worked for hiring my nigga. We ain't got nothing to
do with it. And then they come to me, you know,
did it work for? So we still got the shows,
We still got the increase in fans, We.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Still make for Jason taking ahead, and.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It was beautiful, like I won't lie, like at the time,
that was way more money than we had gotten paid for.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Now, let me just tell you something. The only ship.
I don't know if you know, and you know, jay
Z's not paying me at all to say this, But
I remember jay Z going to Angie Martinez and going
to like DJ enough sitting there and they said, why
did you put ugk on the joint? And he said,
ugk listen Yo. He would big y'all up so crazy,

(30:04):
And I don't know if y'all understood that.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
We see so a lot of people don't know that
we got the call before. Okay, there was Pimpcy was
actually supposed to be on just a week ago with
too short so but this was in the middle of
the East Coast West Coast Beef and Jay wasn't leaving
New York. So when he called pimp like I want
you on this record, People was like, yeah, just come
on Atlanta. I got the studio at the house. We

(30:27):
could knock it out the house. I'm not leaving New
York right now. So people was like, ship, I ain't
even the South right now, get the and then we
got to call again for big pimping and then it
eventually it eventually came together because.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
See me, me is being a hip hop fan. I
was aware of UGK, but for me seeing a person
that's quote unquote above me and bigging people up like that,
I was like, damn, because you know, I don't know
if people know like juveniles first feature was with me.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
This first feature was with me.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I've been bigging up the South.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
We were we were fifty since first feature. Yeah, I've
been up the South for years.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I can going on Little Way cash money for me. Definitely,
you j beat.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
You ain't gonna pa, but you superdug the game. Look
at that, you know what? Good?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
No, But but that's that's the thing. The thing is
that that that feature, that class collaboration from the South,
because I always felt like it's no difference, and who
the fuck.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
The world's a ghetto. The world is a ghetto. And
if you notice, if you look at all those names,
all those those artists that hooked up, those people represent
the hood and not just people that are popping. Those
are people that represent the hood. So it's not a
mistake that Nori and UGK makes a record, they Cameron
and UGK makes a record, that Lil Wayne and Laurie

(32:20):
makes her record. That's not it shouldn't be a surprise
to anybody. We speak to the same people, just in
different places, in different accents. That's the only fucking difference,
my nigga.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Now when you look at it's Travis Scott from Travis
Scott's Houston.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
He's Houston, Houston, and he tries to put it into music.
And if you're from Houston, you listen to it. He's
saying everything to let you know, Like he's on a
New Scissor record, He's like, I'm from it's that Most City.
That's say yeah, because he's from Missouri City, but in
the Hood they call it Most City. So he's trying
to do it, but he doesn't make the music that's
automatically identified with You know, he came in the game

(32:57):
in Atlanta, signed the TI. That's how we came men. Yeah,
Travis is originally yeah, originally always said that that he
always has a good time in the studio and gets
along with everybody. The only person he's ever disagreed with
in the studio is Travis. Because Travis has a very
clear idea of how his music should sound, and he

(33:18):
know it too. If you listen to it, like nobody,
it doesn't sound like anything else anybody is doing. And
that's why most people don't connect him to use it,
because he's so closely associated associated with Kanye and you
know what I'm saying, and Ti. But but he's not
from either one of those places. He's bred from a
different place. But that's the one thing about music. Did

(33:39):
you you identify what it means?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
No, not at all. But I'm from a different era,
you know what I'm saying, So so in different places,
in a different differ and a different city. But even
more so is the time difference in the generational gap.
And I like Travis because I don't want motherfuckers to
feel like they gotta lean or that they need to
lean on PIMC and DJ Screw forever, Like that was

(34:04):
a great time. It was a beautiful time for the city.
But you can't I'm just saying, like, the city can't
grow if we don't move past June twenty seven. You
don't say Demo Birthday. It's a good thing to celebrate,
and it's a great thing to acknowledge, but we got
to show the growth past that.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yes, this is what when Screw is.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Looking down on us, and people looking down on us,
they don't want us to be keep They don't want
us to keep concentrating on what they did. They waiting
for one of us to pick up the goddamn for time.
So like, and I'm back in the lab now because
I sat around for four years and I was like,
I'm waiting to see who's going to do what. And
then I realized, like, Nigga, you the og You can't
expect eighteen year old niggas and twenty one year old

(34:45):
niggas twenty four You're not not to represent me but
to save that generation. Older heads have always given younger
heads game, but now it's just young hands given young
heads games. So it's the blind leading and blind and
we got comfortable houses and cars, and we can sit
around and complain like our children is the only children
that we need to worry about. But when mcs come

(35:06):
to me and say, yo, yo, you raised me, I
have an ogation to that MC. You know what I'm saying,
that's an obligation. When people come up and say, yo,
y'all music raised us. Y'all niggas told me this, then
that means that they're still looking for whatever I gave them.
And if I was the only person that gave it
to him them, then I need to beat the motherfucker
giving it to him now. And that's why we think that.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Goddamn bun. But you got responsibility.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
No, we all do. We all do, especially if we
ate good. That's the reality, especially we ate good.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm gonna throw it more on you than me. I
got you. I got you because you know why, Bun,
Like what.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You just said, we can't save everybody. We gotta try
to save somebody, so you can't go back and save
the whole hood. Some of them, some of them niggas
don't want to do it any more than what's being done.
They want women to take carevin. You know what I'm saying,
so they don't some other ship anyway have just come.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You might not agree with this, but I say that
our generation. I say because of the age group, our
generation dropped the ball. No, it's like, stop stop being
at some point.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm gonna tell you what happened. First of all, people
got scared of catching the cases that they knew they
were getting into, so they started putting drugs and guns
and young niggas in hands that were under eighteen that
they knew wouldn't necessarily get real time. But what they
did was stop their opportunity to progress. Right, So then
young niggas got older. And I'm gonna tell you another thing,

(36:31):
because nobody want to talk about I'm glad we're talking
about this on drinks.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
There's a lot of niggas that went into houses and
manipulated women for sex and money and put them on drugs.
And little niggas sat in those houses and watched niggas
do that. And now they're old enough and they remember
what you did today. Mama. That's why you gonna respect
you feel identified with.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
But this is part of please, this is one of
the reasons why you nat respect that they gave they
put cases on them that they knew your niggas would
never shake.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
They gots that put credit that they can't shake. And
now they got niggas in their life in these houses
putting values that they can't shake.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But stop right there. But this here's the day, because
I want you to finish the ship. Yeah, but I've
seen them Meme the other day and they said, how
the fuck you mad at mumble rap? You sold cracked
to their moms and this ship.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Let me tell you something, mumble rap is. I don't
even like that term. I don't even like young niggas.
I don't like nobody putting no term on niggas because
to be honest, just being real, twenty years ago, twenty
five years ago, when they didn't understand the Southern slang
and the twain and the way we bent out with words.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
But they could have called up some like that too,
So it ain't no difference with that.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And I tell you, I tell you, I tell that
you know, Yeah, dods Ben, thank you. I tell people
all the time, man, y'all need to get offended at
that ship. You know what I'm saying. They should be
offended about that ship. They shouldn't take if they want
to take it to reclaim it and and ship on
the people that did it, then that's fine, but they
need to be offended by that because that when people
say you're mumbling, that means they really don't want to
take the time to listen to what you got to set.

(38:10):
That's what that mean. That's all that tell me, you know,
because I know what they're talking about. When you first
listen to a young thug record and you never heard
it before, you got to bag it up and listen
to it again, and you gotta wait until you figure out. Okay,
wait a minute, there's a pattern to this this he's
saying words. But I don't normally hear these words bent
like this. I don't hear hit him sung like this.
They're usually not inflected in this tone on this syllable,

(38:32):
So I don't I didn't know that's what he was
saying because I ain't never heard that word said like that, right,
float right exactly. And then once you get it, you
were like, oh, Nick, this is you know, it takes
a while to figure out what the migos are saying.
Once you figure out, you're like, yo, these dudes are
killing it. You know what I'm saying, and that's.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
What we're trying to do at Drink Chaps with Vault
TV audio boom, audio boom. What we're trying to do
is we're trying to We don't want to school people
on hip hop. We want to We want to give
you our version of hip hop.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
We want to educate. We don't want to son. You
want to like the fucking blunt We're gonna sense. But
this is the deal. Here's the deal passed around, here's
the deal. Here's a deal.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You know, you know Aurvall TV. We got great people.
We got people from Queens that worked there. We got
people from motherfucking everywhere that worked there. And you know
what it is. Here's the beautiful part about it. It's
we're all representing the same culture. It's hip hop. And
you know what, our version might be different, their version

(39:43):
might be different. But the thing is, as long as
we wrapping hip hop, we didn't know that's the reality.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
We didn't know. I sat in Texas, I looked at
New York on TV and I just didn't know. You know,
people said, in New York, we're in Texas on TV
looking at Dallas like that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
And they didn't know, we all here look a drink.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
We look at London and we look at London and
we don't even know getting drunk. That's what I thought,
you know, you know some of it. I thought syrup
was liquid. And that's the thing, real talk. We were
never telling people what it was. Somebody gave it away
in the interview. I'm not gonna I'm not here to

(40:25):
blast them. They know who they are, definitely, because they're
a good friend. And they didn't they didn't realize what
they were doing.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
But but the understanding between everybody like we're not going
to just actually say what this is. But then somebody
actually said it and then it kind of became what
it was. But it was never just us because Philly
Niggas was doing it at this well, you know, like
well if you want to talk about that, Mississippi Alabam
Nigga sip yellow too, and Tennessee. So when you hear

(40:53):
Tennessee Niggas talk about scissor, that wasn't really purple, that
wasn't real cerf, that was yealous, That was that y
what's the activist? Activists? Activist is what they sell now.
Because the original serve brand was called bar b a
r r E. So when Big most things about the
ball baby, and we rap about sipping ball, that's what
we talk about because the original brand, pharmaceutical brand that

(41:15):
sold it was a company called bar B a r
r E. And that's where the name came from. So
people still say sipping ball, but they're not really sipping ball.
They probably sipping activists. And what we used to sip
was like sweet because their early medicine to be tight.
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And that's why we had the Screw tapes and the
music slowed down.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
To try to exclues. But we never knew that ship was.
We never expected that ship to really get past what
we were. We expect for anybody to understand.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
And now it's so big. Remer Screw getting a just
Award before Justice. They had to make their ma. They
had to literally make a category for him because they
created an entirely new style of DJ. Wow, they gave
it and the awards were like ring.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I think I got just gave me a little like
a boom box that he made it just she was dope.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
That was my favorite or whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I remember. I remember being there watching slave Slap Pudgy
p with the plaque.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
You definitely hear about this bunch's get into it.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh that was me. So the only people at the
Just Awards from the South that year was me and
they was me and killing Mike. I don't know. It
was the year Slave slap Pudgy Butudgy Pay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
It was a DJ from Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
Pudgy p from Philly.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
He's a DJ from something. I'm not sure. But he
had been talking greasy about Slave. So Slave had just
won his award and went off to like sway Slave
Jama King representing all of them. That's what I'm talking about,
my twin. So he had just won his award and
it went to like the back to them. So he

(42:54):
was like so he like getting the press, like Pudgy
goes up and I don't know if you form of
one or something, but he was on stage and he
said some slick ship and Slave moved immediately, and so
the whole area got crazy and the only nigga I
know is killing Mike, and I'm the only nigga he know.
So he got a two by four, I got a

(43:16):
five hydrant and we back to back like we're getting
out of here. We going on because ain't nobody finna
know who were If you didn't come with who you
fighting with? You finished swing.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
That's how I moved.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
If you if you ain't come with me, if you
ain't come with me, and you between where I'm trying
to get to, We're finna move you, and so we
realizing immediately in the moment me and you it's going down.
They just kind of happened like that. But then it
was over about maybe five to seven minutes. It happened
real quickened. It was funny. That was funny. Drama is

(43:54):
the drama king. He not only plays drama, he addresses drama.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
He addresses drama now. One of the best times in
my life was when I hung out with both of
you brothers together and I brung out of that frack city.
This was my first time left ragging, my first time mean.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But this was a crazy that's your first time meeting.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
It was crazy like I'm in Miami, duties in Texas
doing the first time.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
We're gonna meet us in.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
The project in the queen it and you know, last crazy,
I'm straight out the bottle and the shamp It was
what's the ship with the yellow rap Chrystal straight at
the bottle DTS drove by three times. I remember every
time I watched underage dudes slapped.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Over age dudes commented and everything on the side, just like, yo, hilarious.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It was hilarious corner beef because somebody pressed somebody.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I'm not naming on, but somebody pressed somebody and didn't
know that he was working for somebody else. But that
became a thing like Yo, so I needed something. I
need to shoot you the five for that, because you
know there was an n R and n all got
got he got shot to five.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
He got shot.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
He got shot the five. And then while that happened
and his keys flew out his hand. The other young homie,
I don't want to say his name, but he be
in Houston with me in trouble all the time he's
being text shot out to him kept his foot. I
never kept his foot on his keys for two and
a half hours while he was looking everywhere for his keys.
They were right there on the one dude shoot for
two and a half hours. He never moved. He kept

(45:38):
at yo. That was an amazing night. And and trying
to get a cab home, trying to get a cab.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
In the nineties, trying.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
To get a cat from left rack three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yo, boy, let me just tell you something that was
one of the most memorable moments from my life, because
you know why, I don't realize how out of control
my hood is because I'm.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Just a part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Like you cared me yesterday, and I feel like I
feel like you finally realized, like okay, and it was
ill because you were faint. It was ill, nigga, look
a look at the I'm sorry telling you. It's good.
It's good.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I thought it was beautiful because Norri was my all
accounts famous at this point, right, and he's in he's
in the lectus, and he's on the block with his
homies and even brought us out there and he's in
his hood. And it's like you probably don't know this,
but ever since I ever since you did that, every
time somebody comes to Houston, I picked him up. I

(46:47):
ride him around and people don't know why this happened.
I pick him up, a ride around, I take him straight,
Like where do you want to go in Houston? I
want to go to Fifth Ward. I want to go
by to the school. She know I'm just giving you
real I'm just giving you real ship. I was like,
I'm so gassed because my thing is, if I can't
do for people in my city with know did for me,
they're not real. They're not real. Damn that's beautiful. But

(47:14):
that's the best car because you know what, you never
even acted like you was the hardest nigga. I left, right,
but you know what, but you know that you can
go home.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But you but you know you could go home.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Let's say that, right, and there's a lot of people
that can't go home.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You know what I'm saying home yesterday it was terday, yo, everybody.
Let me tell you something. That was the best compliment
I ever got in my life, because that's real ship.
The thing about it is a lot of us we
come from the hood. A lot of people say, oh,
this dickhead can't come back to that. Not me because
I go.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Right back and the words of Richard talking about the niggas, and.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Then and then when I go back, here's the crazy ship.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
They leave because you know, I was really a shooter.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I never had a shooter like I was serious.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I was the shooter.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
So when I come back, everybody leaves, and it's like weird.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So for me, I was always I was always a storyteller.
I was always the dude like I came, I went
to Houston and came back to put author.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
This is a blunt like I went to Houston came back, Yo.
But is this is why Yo? I left, went to
Houston came back. This is irve. I went to Houston
back like I would always bring all that type of
ship to But that's a big.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thing right there, because you know what you just said,
you say right, very important. You said you went to
Houston and you went to poor author. See most people
who listen to this, they don't realize.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
That yea, yeah, I grew up. I went half away
from Houston. Like I'm from Houston, I'm closer to Louisiana
than I am to Houston from well and like all
my family is from Louisiana. But there was there was
only if you wanted to make music, you had to
go to Houston. Houston like that was where you had
to go to make your bones about music, you know

(48:57):
what I'm saying. So for us, it was a no
brain like we didn't even have real recording studios can
put author you know what I'm saying, but we had
people that wanted to be real mcs, and so we
just kept going at it, kept going at it, and
eventually we went to the flea market one day and
kid in the fleet Market had in Houston, had a
sign in his in his store, and he said, we're

(49:18):
looking for demos. And we got back in the car,
drove back to put author, got the demo, drove back
to the flea market, played him the demo.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
And he was like.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Me and Pim okay with four deep in the old
school prelude. You remember the old prelude to they have
no back seat. We four deep in that bitch going
to the flea market. I want to I want to
go on to the whole other city.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I want to go a little deeper right now.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
But let's go.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
How did you and Pimp even meet?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Me and Pimp had a mutual friend Mitchell Queen and
Pemp was His name was Mitchell Queen, Big Mitch, and
Mitch was yeah, and he was rapping with Pimp before
I was. And I had an idea who Pimp was,
and I ain't really like pimp, and Pimp had an
idea of who I was, Like me, like me. We

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met that like a football game, and like he fronted
me about some ship and I actually proved I don't
want to get too deep in it. I got saved
some ship for the book, like my wife said, I
got say the ship for the book. He in front
of me on something. I proved myself right. And from
that point on we became real tight because I thought
he was a certain type of dude and he approached
me a certain way that I ain't expect from him,

(50:35):
and then I handled it a certain way that he
ain't expect from me. And then we realized and this
is this is literally like my junior year, his sophomore
year or before we were making music because he was
already I wasn't even really rapping. It was k first album,
name K's first. Our first project was The Southern Way.
But he and Mitchell Queene the dude I'm talking about

(50:55):
with you GK first.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Wait, wait, it wasn't the reason.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
No, I'm not in one of the original members of UGK,
but that's what But that's smacked myself.

Speaker 7 (51:08):
UGK wifey book coming soon, but it's not an actual
album that came out.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
No, no, no, just as a group. And then because
what it was when they were two men, they were group,
and then I ended up being in another group. So
when we got together we as a four man group,
we became a totally different group. And then when the
dude hurt because the demo we made was just the
four man group. So some was like, I want to
sign y'all. But one of the other two dudes had
a football scholarship. He was like, I'm going to play football. Wow.

(51:39):
And then the other dude was like a football like prodigy.
He was like a prospect, but he was a junior.
So he's like, Yo, I'm finna. I want to play
ball like him. So I'm just going to concentrate on
this ship and get a scholarship. So it ended up
just kind of being me and pim.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Let me ask you a question, being from Houston being
for him, Texas pulled off row. We're good, right now,
you're good. How does Scarface play a role?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
So Scarface was the first time Scarface was this is
all right, So I don't want to go I ain't
gonna tell that story. I guess like wife, you say,
Donna tell everything, but I will say Scarface.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Live for one time, one time, I would.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Say, Scarface was the first like real rapper with a
record out that I'd ever seen in my life. He
came to he came to a show that I was
at and rapped and this was Scallface back when he
used to wear a suit in the hat. And he
was the first time I'd ever been in a in
a room with somebody that actually had made a record right,
And that changed my perspective on who gets to make
a record, Not that Scarface wasn't special, but that you

(52:45):
didn't have to just be from New York, LA to
actually be able to make a rap record and then
go and.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Keep shows away from you. So you're walking a.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Room when we in a bathroom and skating rink, I
feel like Scarface got a fleet I shoot on got.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
He said like a suit suit.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, I definitely was off.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
So describe to he's with Krino, I'm in the bathroom,
kay Renal. I feel like it cares one cousin. He's
from that era was like the first battle was like
the first original battlerapper from Houston, like eighty seven eighty eight.
He's still like the dude that will like he got
he got like the he's the dude bottle me right now,

(53:30):
right now, like he will too bar you to death,
you know what I'm saying. Well, even had boom boom
like death though, like he's got it. He got what
he calls the Black Book and it literally thirty years
of wraps in there.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But yeah, man, we were freestyling in the room and
me and my man David Forrest d A from the
Black Monks. We were hurting niggas.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
We were hurting the Black Monks.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
That was a rap group, the Black Yeah, I'm old school.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
That's show.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Really did I really did? I really did. And we
were in there, like me and him because we went
to the same high school. To guess we would like
body in niggas. And then Facing Krino comes in and
Face doesn't even wrap. Krino does sixteen balls and then
they just walk out and niggas just kind of just
go home.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
But did you know how our classic Like I don't
want to say that Pimps was idolized after he died, because.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
He just wasn't appreciated until he died, that's what you said,
Because I don't people didn't realize how much of the
UGK library he produced. They didn't realize how much music
outside of UGK he produced, and they didn't. Yeah, yeah,
see see what I'm saying. That's what I'm talking about.
People didn't really know that, and people didn't know that

(55:00):
he and he was He didn't make beats, he was
a producer. He had a real discipline for music and
and people didn't really realize that outside of the South.
I think Willie D was the first person to say,
people think we just lost a rapper, we lost way
more than a rapper, you know what I'm saying. And
that was what really made him great to the people

(55:21):
in the South.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Because they knew, I'll tell you something funny, Ice Killed
wouldn't do a record with me unless he seemed to
me in the studio. And PIMC was the same way,
said I think, I think he's a real nigga.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
But I gotta I gotta be sure niggas are real good.
I got the uniform in Walmart. Now this nigga.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
But to.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Get your real nigga uniform wal Now, he.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Already signed each other and leave each other alone. And
what I'm talking about, it was like six seven hours
me in the studio.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
We just keep going. But is like all right, everybody.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Coast lines with each other as finish director.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Because I'm done. Everybody know if we like rhymes. I'm
probably the first person that I went to rhyme. I'm
just sitting around way for everybody else. No, but I
appreciated that so much.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I appreciated though, did you brought you two brothers together?
I appreciated y'all love for each other because y'all love
for each other was the same exact way that me
and Capone love each other, Meaning that I ain't gotta
show copone love on camera.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I ain't gotta funk with them. I'm gonna ask you.
I'm ask you a couple of questions, and you should
love it and you should ask answer these in a
way that's very predictable. Yes, with you and Poe. Did
y'all have the same friends?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Did y'all like the same kind of women?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Did y'all handle money the same way?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
But y'all made amazing music in history, that goddamnit.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
But that's where it was going that.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
This is Yani yang, right, You see what I'm saying.
This is yin and Yang, and that's why that ship
hurt work. And when I watched E p D and
groups like that, right, the two man groups, and you
couldn't find too many two different niggas than perishing area. Right.
But that's but but it separate, right, but but but
that means that we encompass everything that all with hoods,

(57:15):
because that's the one thing we shipped. It's our hood.
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's the one thing
you upon y'all left right, niggas.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
No, no, no, crazy y'all, queen queen, but queens.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
It's a different.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Blood blood made What made it work was we're from
two different hoods. And now that's it even deeper. N Listen,
let me just say you because me and Pemble.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Wasn't from the same neighborhood, the West Side.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I can't go to Queens Bridge. I went to queens
Bridge just now, there's nothing but left right, guys there,
I went to left Rack. There's nothing more Queens. But
me and Capone set that up. And we didn't know
what we were doing. We just had love for each
other and we said, you know what, fuck that, We're
gonna We're gonna mess with each other. And here's the deal.

(58:07):
I'm glad he's alive. I'm glad he's still here because
we hugged. I hugged him the other day and I said, damn,
and he said, look this this left rack niggas left
the queen's ridge. And then he came and left right,
and he said, I said, look this queen's niggas. He said,
if we set that up? And then I gave him

(58:27):
a hug, and it's beautiful. Right, it's a beautiful thing.
Because how did it not meant.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
For us that we all leave respective legacies and right, yes,
some of them bigger than others, but we all leave.
We said, precedent in the hood from one right, A
lot of us are the first nigga many times you
use that word. A lot of us are the first
niggas that did that. I saw that brought that.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
You know what I'm saying, precedence.

Speaker 1 (58:53):

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I can't pronounce it.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Sorry, no, no, no, I just want to laugh at you,
just trying to say I'm dyslexic.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Just say, look, I'm dyslexic.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
But and because of the fact that we were those
people that set those presidents dudes that normally would have
been like, for example, UGK we come from put off
the Texas. The next town to us is Beonmont, Texas
beef years like beef, physical, physical, guns, all of that.
We were the first put off the niggas to actually
be able to go to Bomont like have a concert

(59:26):
and let niggas mean muggers. But and but like, look,
eventually the music won and they realized that, look, whether
we like these dudes or not, nobody even know where
we're from. These dudes are actually kind of representing the whole.
Because we wouldn't just say put off, we'd be like, yo,
we're from the Golden Triangle. Golden Triangle is put off

(59:46):
the whole. So even though niggas might beef with bone
My niggas and beef with Orange niggas, if we got
to go to Houston, if a bone My nigga and
a port off the niggas in Houston and they get
into it with Houston, they gonna shoulder the show. We
got to get back home right and then we'll deal
with that later. It's like street beef versus It's like
the street versus the penitentiary. In the street, we would

(01:00:08):
beef in pend Now we got to lock up it's
a different it's a different dynamic. I'm not gonna get
into it, but you're talking about it now. I don't
want to know what side you had to choose. It's terrible.
You don't need to go to jail right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Listen. But now it came on one time with Pimp
actually got on the land of radio and he he everybody, And.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I wouldn't say he shipped on everybody. He was very
honest about how he saw the world. How he saw
the world, you know what I'm saying, And people are
scared to be honest about how they see ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
People want to say, now we understand that, but back
then that was too advanced.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
No, no, And even I was like, what is he doing?
And there were people that were like, Yo, this is crazy,
like people are gonna people are about to go off
on Pimp. I'm like, nah, this will probably be fifty
to fifty and they were like, you're crazy, like Atlanta,
ain't the East Coast people. I'm like, you don't understand
how people love PIMC. This will probably be about fifty

(01:01:15):
to fifty. And it became that kind of a situation. Now,
I'll be honest, I think it's seventy thirty. Pep Suey
like everybody agree with Pemp and I did too also,
and it was because Pip had been very honest and
open and eventually right about a lot of shit before then.
So when he gave that opinion, even people that lived

(01:01:39):
in Atlanta kind of had to be like, I know
what he I know what he's saying, but then I
also know what he means, right, And maybe he didn't
he was and maybe he didn't say it in the
right way, but I know what he meant because then
they was like, yo, you're saying Atlanta was a gay
capital of the world, and he's like, okay, right, And

(01:02:00):
at that time people like, yo, you were wrong for that,
But now in retrospect, you go Atlantics mall. I'm sorry,
and I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with being gay,
but I'm sorry. He was right like a lot of
black people that are trying to explore their sexuality or
trying to confirm the sexuality or finding themselves in Atlanta,

(01:02:22):
in Atlanta, Georgia, and it's been like that, and that
was there was a very ugly undercurrent of people that
were on the download. And that was another thing he
was trying to expose because we knew exposed. Because here's
the thing, Pemsey was not homophobic. Pempsey had no problem
with gay people. Pempcy's problem was quit hide in the

(01:02:44):
fact whatever you are would be that yes, because you're
fucking up, as he would say. Problem was when on
the download, you're quote fucking up the pussy population, right,
And that was his problem. If you gave me gay
that everybody know who you are, so we can identify
that and separate that and be like, okay, so you

(01:03:04):
leave the women alone. You don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I'm gonna cut you off for one second month off.
That's That's probably the first time I actually wrap, I
actually really want, I actually like really love GZ Gez
because Gez the biggest artist he could. He could have
just turned around and just shitted on pimps. He could

(01:03:30):
have said something, but you know what Z did. Giz
shut the fuck up that I'm not saying and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'll be hones that was out of all respect because
didn't know pimp. GZ knew me right, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Hold on describe that, please well break that down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
G Z rolle for pimp like free pimp and all
of that because he hurt he could but didn't have
that relationship with pamp advice versa, and so Pimp didn't
really know who he was as a person. But in
the middle of whatever he was doing, he felt a
certain way about something. And it put me in JZ

(01:04:09):
in a funny position because Jesus got up. He's got
to represent his hood and he's got to do what
he has to do. But and I'm telling him, look,
whatever you feel you need to do, do what you
gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
And he he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
But at the end of no, it's not that he
didn't no no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Respect, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Jesz did everything he was supposed to do. And he'll
never say this, and obviously we're drinking that white thing,
but the reality of was Jesz did everything he was
supposed to do. We did everything we were supposed to do,
and God kept us away beautiful from each other. Jesus
was ready to do whatever he had to do to
handle his situation, and we were ready to do everything

(01:04:50):
we had to do to handle our situation, and God intervened.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
That's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
And then now, like Jesus, he's never not been my brother,
his temper has never not been my brother, of course.
And so God was like, look, I don't want you
to have to choose between brother and brother. Here's what
here's what we're going to do, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
How difficult is that for you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Like it wasn't. It wasn't difficult at all because Jesz
had to do what he had to do and I
had to do what I had to do. And I'm
just talking about in general, Like, no, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Like I said, Jesz knew what he had to do, right,
I knew what I had to do, and you maintained
that and he did too. And that's why, and that's
why we could still stand together as men and speak
and whatever, because nobody got compromise in that position.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And I don't know if you know, Beat, but this
is a podcast, this is a show. We all revolt TV.
But we're big up our artists. We give our artists
they flowers when they could smell them. We give them
their drinks when they can hold on. Excuse me, I
can't remember another botf give them they flowers when they

(01:05:56):
can smell them, when they get hell begiven when they
drinks when they get thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
And when that's the remake, because I mean, that's the
reason I need to get where I can. Hell it
yo and butt B and but B.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I don't know if you know, but if it wasn't
for U g K, they might not been on mob D. No, no, relax,
come on, let me pick you up and relax. Relax.
It wasn't for you. He excuse me. You know what,
I'll take it even further than that. If it once

(01:06:36):
for eight ball m j G, they might have been
in UGK. If it wasn't for U g K, they
might have not been a mob D. If it wasn't
for a mob D, they might have been not seeing that.
I remember when I remember you our hell let's go
just you know what I'm saying, Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I remember, that's how long I've been in the hip hop.
I'm listening to hip hops and what's that called uptown hustler.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
This niggas took it back, definitely age Huffer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So I've been here. I've been This is a tough
crew and Justice and all these niggas tough crews. That's
what I found out without hippo. So I watched you
see where everybody comes up. I remember Mob Deep being
teenagers making hip hop. I remember you and Poem being
teenagers and making hip hop. I remember people don't realize

(01:07:32):
when our first record came out. I was eighteen, Pimper seventeen.
I remember being a teenager making hip hop, and I
know what it's like when it's just you and another
nigga in the room, like yo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Fuck these other niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I got you and another nigga being being like, you know,
and I got you, so like you bring your crew,
I bring my col whatever niggas gonna get rid of.
Nigga's gonna be the reckless. But when it comes to
rooms that them niggas ain't in. I got you and
you got me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
And that's that's the beautiful thing about what we do
is hip hop has blung us to the world's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
That that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
That's the crazy ship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
You ever look at your photo map on your phone
and just be like, like, this is everywhere I've ever been,
Like me and my wife would try to sit back
and just go in the into the map ship and
look at everywhere you ever took a picture nigga, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
All on hip He's always there's still passport Atlanta. There's
still my passport in Atlanta. But I had every fucking stamps.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
In the world. I was so proud of my passport.
Shout out to my nigga Mike from New York. Might
got a nord Korea passport. He got a stamp from
North Korea. Ship he got.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
He got a stamp from with Kim Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
No, no, no, he drove through off Korea.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
He got, he got out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
They were doing gumball. They was on the way to
Beijing's ship because I'm back on my music ship. That's
the only where you drive across. It's three thousand, three
thousand miles in six days.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Wow, just mash cannon ball, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
But it's it's way more hectic cannonball because it's like
one hundred and twenty cars, probably about eighty million dollars
worth of cause and drink champs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
We can't let you leave it. I was talking about
you got a new album coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
No, I got an EP coming out. Then I got
a new album coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Oh that's rich.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Then I got another album.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I got another three got damn.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
You got in the book eventually, so they were going
to do the album, but then White people was like, look,
take your time on your album. You got a bunch
of music. Put a little ep out right quick. You
can still eat. Let's nigga nigga. We don't call we
call it a muse. I make art, right, I make art.
I don't make music. I make art. My wife is

(01:10:10):
my mute. Right. So when the muse says you're doing right,
we mash on that. When you says you're doing wrong,
we erase that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
So now describe a a p.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
What is that five songs to well with' somewhere between
seven and eight? Okay, so we have to be careful
because anything more than eight is Outum.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Seven to eight?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Just why I'm not doing no intros out. So but
she was like, look, let's just put some music out.
Let niggas know you back, Increase the shows, get the
money up. Still eat. You still can do your album
because my album is vision is separate from what we're
doing on this. That's that's you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
You want to answer this, you gotta answer it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I feel like you gotta relax. It's time to roll
of blood. Don't. Yeah, I'm in Manhattan, but I gotta
ast you to relax.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I should have put him out speaker. No, I hit you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I hear you. I'm in the middle of an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
We got.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
I ed you in ten minutes. You gotta relaxing. Yeah,
I really shout out to branch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
You going there one shout where we want to go
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
I guess I'm in one OF's best friends, Like we
should go to the spots set there for three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I was just sitting look at the Warwick on the
wall and the same spot. Oud, let me tell something
about pimp. I'm gonna be honest with you. Pimp called niggas.
They said, your enoymous and real niggas. You sure, They said,
ye know, he's gonna go all out with you. He said,

(01:12:02):
you sure, And then he still wanted to meet me.
He still looked man me. And then he came and
looked at me, and he was like, I'll walk with
you anywhere. And I said, but that's what I appreciated,
Like I actually.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Because very few people are genuine in this game, right,
very few people are genuine. So like he was very excited,
like yo to meet y'all, to meet y'all. You into
in this particular, and you were who you were, right
because a lot of people I'm not gonna put. Yeah,
I know, I'm not gonna put your own blast, but
there are a lot of people that are not who

(01:12:39):
they say they are. And when you took me to that,
that's why I always go back to when you took
me to that. I was like, Yo, I took a loop,
big Sean, I took everything. I picked him up from
the airport where you want to go to go here
and fried chicken, got here, barbecue, go here, and see
this screw shop. Get in my call with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It's me and you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I'm gonna take you anywhere you want to go, and
you and you good. And that was because Nord took
me to Left Rack and was exactly where he was
supposed to be in Left Rack.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
No, I thank you Bomp so much for describing that book.
But it was so beautiful when I met Pimp, because
Pimp said, listen, everybody told me a real nigga, but
you're not a real nigga. To go Sonniga. So I
was like, damn, my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
My brother was very literal, so I had to go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I went to sound On so I will never forget this.
I still did for three hours, and he kept looking
at him like the nigga never lost no, And I'm
looking at it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
This funny because it's funny because I knew he's not
lying and I wasn't there, And that's what's funny because
in those moments like it's very important for pimp to
be like because the reality for pimp is like when
I come to New York and you say you that dude,
I give my life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
You know, I don't go to every hood. The last
time after you the only hood I went to instead
till three in the morning with Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Oh wow, yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I love Chicago's work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I love Chicago. We lived in the hood, shot the
video late in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
And who is in the artists? Yeah, this is my man,
j Ortis. I can't think of the names right now. Damn,
you're up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I know, I'm fucked up, fucked up dreaming from Chicago.
There's two dudes different, but the two dudes diffrom Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Damn, I can't think of the names.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
One one light skinned with braids, the others dark skin
with short hair.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
And my man came on in the hood is niggas
And you're go, yo, budd, let me just tell you
somethingbody boy, there you l E p bogus l E.
That's what we.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Got it all. But let me tell you something, Budy,
you are one of the most respected people, one of
the most respected.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Are that segretament.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
You are one of the most respected individuals, and we
want to continue to respect you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
But in order to do that, I gotta still be
who I'm supposed to be. You ain't supposed to respect
somebody just because of what they did. You gotta maintain
and respect people because of what they're doing. Because if
people continue to if we continue to give people credit
based on what they did, they gonna keep leaning on
that and they ain't gonna improve themselves. I gotta improve myself.

(01:15:43):
I gotta keep making sure that I'm who I'm supposed
to be. For niggas, see, we're locked in on the
moment we had ten twelve years ago, and we respect
each other on that moment. Other niggas ain't have that
moment with me or you, so we still have to
maintain that. I got to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Okay, got two different kinds of drunks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I love this nigga, This me and you at the
bar right now. You know, real ship, This me and you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
At the listener money, I got a platform, I got
a format, and you know what I'm gonna do. I
gotta stop you, okay, because you know why. You need
to be respected, You need to be saluted. Ug K,
bun Be everything you guys did to you. Take your
hat off. Goddamn, we're gonna look look this, this is

(01:16:33):
my towel. I'm gonna wipe your sweat. Listen, this is
what you need to do. You need to sit here,
you need to you need to be respected because you
know why hip hop ship salute hip hop. And that's
the part that we don't have. We don't have.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
You know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
People sit back and they say, Ah, this guy is
this guy, this guy is this guy, and that's not
what happening.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
We just recently went to Atlanta, hung out with Big Boy,
I hung out with ce Lo, I hung out and
now we're hanging out with motherfucking butt Be and but
Be can never, ever, ever, ever, ever in his life
come to New York. And I feel appreciated, especially when
I'm in New York. And you know why because a

(01:17:22):
lot of motherfuckers might not say, you know what, UGK
raised us, but that's them niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
It's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
You GK fucking raised us.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Yo, and you know how how important he is to
the culture and how much you respect.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Before you go in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Before you go in, I want to get you. I
love because you and RP Prodigy y'all was young niggas. Yep,
you know what I'm saying. And we started as young
niggasp and that was something that we respected from y'all.
That was so because Pemp I was I was nineteen
and Pemp was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
When heard us. I was seventeen, you were seventeen. You

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Pemp was literally like, Yo, am I gonna go and
get Am I gonna graduate from high school and make music? Right?
You know what I'm saying. And I had just graduated.
I was like, am I gonna go to college? I'm
gonna make music? And both of us like, Yo, we're
gonna get this shit a year. If not, we're gonna
do whatever. And the day before we made this decision.
After I graduated on May on April thirtieth, and on

(01:18:26):
what I mean it was me no, it was April thirtieth,
and literally went to New York a year late. On
April thirtieth and signed a record deal on May first
with Joh with Joah, and from that point on, we
made a decision either way that we were going to
ride that shit out together. And I've been riding for
my nigga hard for me when he was here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, what I want to say is because you cut
me off. He cut me off. He cut me. No,
you cut me off. And but but I'm gonna tell
you something fun. Me and this brother right here, we
started this podcast because we wanted to respect legends. And

(01:19:15):
we could have been dead, because you know why these
guys want the new guys. But me and him stuck
to our guns. And when we started this, we want
to big up brothers like you, brothers like brothers like
mg K, I'm excuse me, I said, it was just me.

(01:19:42):
But listen. And the thing about it is, this is
exactly what hip hop has to do. They keep telling me,
They say, you know why dream Champs work. I met
with Leo Cohens and you know what Leol Cohens told me.
He said, because you're a legend, big enough legends. And
I said, Leo, I wanted to tell him to shut up,

(01:20:03):
but then I said, I think he's right that's what
we gotta keep doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
But God bless you, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
We're going tonight. We are celebrating Bun mofucking beef.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Old on. Let me get let me get mine off. Please,
let me get mine off. Okay, because you we met
and left racket that time and from that point on,
you know, like the DJs, we the background. You know
what I'm saying, Sometimes we get overlooked over here, Like
as a fan, I'm sitting here looking at you artists
talking about it. I'm I'm a fan, so I'm gona

(01:20:42):
tay cared, I'm gonna listen to this, take it all in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
And you guys have all these stories, but little do
people know the work y'all doing behind the scenes and
helping other people out. But no problem when I call
Bun up. Back in those days, I don't know how
we email or text.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Or I knew where you were going.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
And I'm like, I need I need a freestyle for
the mixtape bomb. I need another one for the mixtape bomb.
He sends me pro tool sessions. I said, I got
an artist. Can I use one of these sessions and
make a track.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
And keeping it real? And this is a legend. You

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Already, bomb go ahead into it, you know what I'm saying.
And then on the recent album I did in twenty fifteen,
hit him up. Same thing never changed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I still got the thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
I still and you know, I just want to say
thank because I know I'm probably not the only DJ
that you were supporting, and from from all the DJs,
I want to thank you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
But it was very genuine because there's a million motherfuckers
that wrap you know, and you were very adamant on
your projects that you wanted me, and it was a
very unique place. And it wasn't a thing of you
wanted me because I was hired or any of that.
It was like, Yo, I got something. I want people
to know. It's a good project, bun, can you give
me something. I just want to support you, for sure.

(01:21:56):
I always always have a moment. I always talk about it,
but I always about e f N in a way
that people probably now talk about cal it because of
the genus spirit and everybody that's ever given anything that
e FNS never asked for. Really, I don't know, but
I feel like everybody's giving it you because they don't
they genialely like you as a person, you know what

(01:22:18):
I'm saying. And that's when I saw him. I was like, Yo,
look what life is taking us. You know what I'm saying,
Look how this ship came all the way around. Because everybody,
and I told you this earlier, Come on, everybody wants
to win a certain way. And you might be set
up to win, but not in the way that you
want to win. But if you leave yourself open to things,

(01:22:42):
you know what I'm saying, because I know I can
guarantee neither one of you niggas thought y'all was gonna
win on this podcast, you know what I'm saying. But
but but y'all did it because like, you know what,
with you, you fuck with me. We're gonna get on
this mic and we're gonna hold each other down. And
the way it's taking and it's very it's it's very
nice to see when when would be like, Yo, we're
just gonna ride this out and see what happens, you

(01:23:03):
know what I'm saying, and then and then it ends
up getting it checked just being real. Shout out to revolt, Yeah, yeah,
I don't know what you shout out to rock because
I'm like, fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
You got a big up rock for that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
You can't you can't not shout them out for that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Big them up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Got a big, biggest shout out to wife you because
she she's here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And you look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
She's like, he's been drunk somebody. I'm just throwing it
out there in Houston drunk. But it's good because I'm
sweating too, so I'm not a drunk as that should
are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
You know what we're going to do with pulling the
premium feed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Back because I want to say that that he inspired
teach to chef teach to get involved with the food
drunk and all that. Like you, I know I've seen
it in some way that you helped inspire.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
That's my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
He is a good dude and teachers in the place
where he had made money. He was successful, manage a
pit bull, he had made money or whatever, but there
wasn't any personal fulfillment for him. And he was like, well,
what do you what do you like to do? I
like to cook. You need to cook for niggas, Like
when I come to Miami, cook for me. He cooked,
and like you can actually really cook and I was like,

(01:24:22):
if this is what you want to do, you should
follow this, because if you don't do this, you're going
to spend money doing something else, and you're going to
regret not doing it doing something that you really love
to do. If you're going to take the money that
you've worked hard for yourself and your family, if you're
going to put that on the line, it should be
for something and that you believe it in your heart

(01:24:43):
and above everything else. He loved to cook and he's
got fulfillment now. And it's not just about money. I
used to think shit was about money. And there was
a lot of things that I miss moments with my wife,
almost with my kids, you know, just being real your wife.
I love that. That's how it's not just it's there

(01:25:07):
were things that that I felt like, I'm like, yo,
I need I need to make sure they can live
in a certain house. I need to make sure they
can wear certain clothes, they can go to certain places.
But it wasn't really about that, you know what I'm saying.
It was about living life for personal fulfillment, Like what
do we enjoy as a family, what do we enjoy
as a couple, what do we enjoy from the parent

(01:25:30):
the child dynamic. And if you don't really stick to that,
you're gonna lose it. Because the ship that we do
is designed to prop you up. I designed to prop
the couple of us, the parent up, is designed to
prop you up. You gotta find it in yourself to
be like yo, I gotta make sure that I'm still
a husband to my wife, I'm still a father to

(01:25:51):
my kids. I'm still a brother to my friends. Because
this game is like you know what. I know, you
got your crew with you, but you're the ship. This
ship is about you. They need you. I wouldn't be
here if it wasn't them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
That's exactly what I'm doing with my full show. They
told me on my full show, I could I could
have listen on my full show. I could have did anything,
but I hired I hired about list six six different people.
You know what, I could have did love and hip hop.
But if I did love and hip hop, yo.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Don't even get I would I would bring my wife
up here right out. Let me feel like they started.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
If I would have did loving hip hop, you wouldn't
have seen him. You want to see him. And guess
what if I was the love of hip hop. They
didn't want me to do drink champs.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
And shout out to I got nothing against more than
them right and what they do. But I didn't know
that every time they wanted to, like after loving hip
hop New York, before they went to Atlanta and Hollywood,
they came to Houston the third and the first people
they was like, yo, man bum being, we want you
and your wife. We looked at everything and we made

(01:27:00):
the conscious decision is the family we don't need that.
It's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I don't want your wife fighting nobodycause I'm gonna shoot whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Don't let me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I'm sorry say.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
To fall, but we're a real family, right, were real
and I'm not saying anybody else in your real family,
but we're a real family.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
And we didn't need that family. We didn't need that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
No disrespect to that. We just didn't need that, you know.
And I'm not saying that people that did it like
we're not saying it like that, you know, but that
was something that was like, you know what we have
our family.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Nobody knows the dynamic and our family and just say,
you know, I'm sorry, I gotta cut you off.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
A cigarette. Listen what we're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
We're trying to change black media because black media need
to be controlled by black media.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Did that make Did that make sense? Do you want
to say say we want to change media and then
media change?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
You know, us as the us, as the creative people
in the world, we don't have to change anything. All
we got to do is continue to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Be who we need to own what we do is.
We just need to own what we do. But because
they can't sell nothing without us. We would love to
get you on your wife's podcast together on TV. We
would love to do that on film because she loved that.
I think a long credit. She's fine, because that's the

(01:28:33):
only reason why we haven't done it, because at the
end of the day, we never had EP credit. We
would never get EP credits, so we wouldn't do it.
If we're gonna put our family out to the world,
then we need to be in control of the vision. Okay,
I'm not because I'm not here for nigga to go
to dinner with my wife and have a nice dinner
and somebody come in and have a fight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Were talking about are we talking about the buns? Camera?

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Like, no, no, shout out with I want to buy that.
And there's a name, but I'm not gonna say it
right now because somebody's gonna try to go there. If
I say the name right now on this, on this thing,
they'll go there. I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Don't say the name.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
I'll tell you no, no, no, tell a lot. I know,
I tell you, mhm. I like the blood called Puff.
Tell Puff in his ear. We're gonna drink Summer Colada
because it's my wife drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Listen, this is how we do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
We only do it unless my wife controls it because
my wife has my family's best I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I don't know at this. My wife is the business. Yes,
let me tell you before we go. No, I want
to tell this story before we go. Him's locked up
in jail's getting ready to start Bad boys out. Puff
comes to Houston. That's a big party. That's why she's laughing.
It's real. Ship Puff comes, Pump said. But I'm not
talking to you, talking to the wife because the wife
friends of the White friends and ship Puff officer. This

(01:30:06):
seven figures. You're like, yo, I want to give bun this.
I want to give pimp this, I want this this
and that that that that we go home. My wife
was like, Yo, we should do this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
We need you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Why you're not doing this? I whispered in my wife's ill,
like I whispered in your ear. Wife's like, I'm with you,
and that's why I'm here right now doing dream tramps.
In that moment, like real shit, real nigga shit. In
that moment, we went home after the club for in
a moment in the barroom, why are we not why
are we're not doing it? Let's go, let's move. I

(01:30:37):
whispering that my wife's ill like I whispered in your ear,
And that's why I'm here today. No, no hold up.
And at some point in my life between that and today,
it's nobody's business. Between that point and today, my wife
whispered in my head and that's why we're.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Wife. You listen right, yeah, right now, I don't know
my wife.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
When I leave here, my wife will be like if
I lie, my wife would be like, I respect that.
You know what I'm saying. I respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
And listen. And if you from hip hop, if you
from Houston, from the South, if you're from anywhere else
in the world, and you understand who this man is
We support him, we salute him, we respect him. He

(01:31:32):
had one of the most controversy to artists in the world,
and he stood there and he stood by him the
same way as me still do. No no, I think
he won like he won. He won't way more than
But the fact that is, bun Be, we can't thank

(01:31:54):
you enough. We want to stand up. We're gonna salute you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Because I came to dream Camps and got drunk and
you know what, you know what the crazy shi it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
We didn't even talk about your new album. You have
a new album, have a new album.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Talking about the EP is called extended Play.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Extended Play extend. When does it come out?

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
August twenty ninth?

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Fat on it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Because yeah, but you'll see that in August twenty ninth,
because bub Day in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Because Bumbie Day Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Ready for Because Bumbie Day in Houston like the May
and Houston gave me Bumby Day on August thirtieth.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
There's the deeper story to that, but I save it
to the book I'm Coming.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I'm Coming so but the but Bumbie Day this year
is a Wednesday. But we're gonna drop the album the
EP on Tuesday, No, no, August twenty night, but we're
gonna drop the EP before and then we're gonna go
out and do the food bank and ship like that
and things that we do because days not about me.
It's about giving back to the community. For example, he's

(01:33:04):
got my wife is like, Yo, we good once or twice.
We need to step it up, kick it up and that. Nigga,
this is what you need.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
This you need, you need. It's just problem. But every
time you what you ask for us, every time you
have a humble moment.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
That is what I need.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I need you to hit me because I don't want to.
I want to be the opposite of your humble moment.
So niggas be like and then you'll be like you
know I'm good and now I just want to stand
by you and be like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Nigga, you know what you have to get behind her.
That's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Hire me to do it. I'm telling you, I'm telling you,
I'm telling you. Signed me to listen. U g K bumbye.
You should be celebrated everything in hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
It's shout out to you for being an entrepreneur because
I know I know your shore, I know design for
you to celebrate niggas. But I've known you, like dude,
and even when I didn't know you, I knew you
so I so when I met you, it was ship
was obvious because I already knew the type of niggas y'all.
But I gotta gotta but no, but Jr. John, you

(01:34:20):
get you know, you get paid to celebrate niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
This was on me, on me, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
I'm gonna say, you can't pick me up. But it's important.
It's important because I was telling my wife earlier. I said, Yo,
I said, I said, no one's ever understood how smart
no he is. I said, and that's why he's always
got richer than anybody ever thought he was gonna get.
I said, no, I need to put him on blast.

(01:34:50):
But but Yo, but like he's so yeah, but no,
but no, he is a genius. He's always going further
than anybody thought he was gonna go, which was surprising
to me because I'm like, why no, No, she already knows.
And I was like, yo, I was like, look at him. Now,
he's got a fool jow, he's got the party, got
all this other stuff was going. I was like this

(01:35:14):
that I don't even know what I can say, what
I can't say. I don't even know what I can't say,
what I can't sit. But the reality is is that
people look at us being from certain environments, being from
certain neighborhoods, and putting limitations on us, and so many
times we accept those limitations. Damn. But you know what
I'm saying, And it's beautiful to see somebody like Norrid

(01:35:37):
that has never accepted what people said he was supposed
to be. And you look, I know it's you know,
he's not a person that shits on people. But it's
got to be very interesting to look back everybody that
not only shouted on me, but like was like this
was luck or this was this was timing or whatever.

(01:35:58):
You know what I'm saying, light he knew.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Damn God bless.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Can I say that? Yes? Please, Christ you can say
everything you want, just being real, Chrystal, I just want
to say that Chris new. But I'm just saying, nobody
ever knew that they didn't want to if they knew,
they didn't want to give credit. And I dealt with
that in my career. Niggas had an idea of what
we would do, But niggas would never give us credit.

(01:36:21):
And it's amazing to see what Noorri has done because
Norri has been Norri. This is the same dude I
said in Love for I could the same dude I
was in the studio with. You know, this was who
I anticipated on meeting and that's who we ended up being,
and that's who he still is. And people don't realize
everybody is fighting. I just want to say this, and
I'm sorry, I could be out of pocket. Niggas are

(01:36:45):
fighting to get on Drink Champs and I can show
you and I can show you my phone, and literally
every seven to ten days, I'm begging, yo, whenever you're
ready to come on Drink Champs. How many people get
called by the top one of the top podcast in
the country, Yo, bun, what are you doing? Yo? Where

(01:37:05):
you are? I'm in New York. That's the only reason
I'm here is because we were talking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
This week and he was like, Yo, you're making them
up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Let's be real. Let's be real. You like, he was like, Yo,
I'm going to Miami. I'm in New York right now.
Can't you get to Miami. I'm like, I don't know.
And then literally the next day I got called to
come and do it short in New York. And then
the day after they got booked, I called nerves like, Yo,
you're in New York to the twelfth right, I'm gonna
be in New York this week. And that's why I'm
on the microphone right now because my man left this

(01:37:34):
door open, and as soon as I had opportunity and
called him, I walked right through. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
But in all due respect, Bun, I just I really
appreciate the love that you just gave me. But I
just want you to never ever aver Avera, not remember
who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
That's why my wife is here. And you know why
straight up because the game, with the game design to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Take you away from that a totally different aspect of life.
What UGK did to us, what you guys gave to
the music community, I could never thank.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
You, no.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
But we looked as a two man group, we looked
at everybody looked at you and compunkfore us. You know
what I'm saying. But I'm saying as through longevity and
throughout the game, there was always a dynamic that we
could look at. When we started, Motherfucker had a bum
Bee Pimps run DMC. There's always been something that we

(01:38:39):
could look at. Run DMC was the first EPM D.
You know what I'm saying. You know, even Houdini and
different groups like that, we would look at like the
two man group and need not just because there were
two men, because you could put those two people in
the room and leave with an album. And that's where
the dynamic with Gang Star comes in, the dynamic with
Mob Deep comes in with p m D comes in.

(01:39:01):
Who's got the producing a MC. Put them dudes in
the room, they come out with an album, you know
what I'm saying. But even deeper than that, put these
two dudes in the room, you come out with a
movement component or yegg. Then this nigga, his nigga killed it.
He killed it. That's why I keep my room and
my wife in the room with me because me too.

(01:39:23):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I can't lie because she's gonna sit right there and
if I try to lie, she don't look.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
No, sir, God bless her. Okay, So here here's the deal, Yo,
I'm so drunk right now, I'm almost certain they can't
There can't be anything.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Is that bar open downstairs?

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Killing right now? We can go downstairs. But I ain't
gonna lie to you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I can't thank you enough. Because the thing about it is,
people think that your soul because because how upfront Pep.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Was, people think that you're like.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Like you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
You won't even answer a question because I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I don't talk, I know, but I'm your brother. I
talk to you. You know what I'm saying. I'm talking
to you. I'm talking to you, but in the physic,
in the physical world, in the physical world like me
and my me and my in my better half. Yes,
I walk in any room and walk out. Yes, yes,

(01:40:30):
meanhin God, we walk in any room and walk out.
I never let me tell you all the Iller Ship,
my brother ever said all that fly Ship and minkazin
the ill Ship Pimp ever said was I don't need bodyguards.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
I just need Mighty God, Mighty God.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
And ever since he said that, and I never told him,
I moved like that. I knew then I didn't need
nobody with me. I didn't need nobody if you wasn't
moving with me within God, I just move on myself,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
And it's and it's that the way hip hop should be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
That's the way no, because that's the way life should be, right,
you know, that's the way life should be. Like you
don't need people to show who you are. Prove who
you are if you or you say you are, and
you honoring that in a real way, you can move
anywhere in this world. And Pep and I proof of that.
I was telling a story earlier to Jump and Eric

(01:41:34):
about we came to New York. We got signed, people like,
y'all want to go to Haller. I was like, let's
go to Haller. So we took a cab from the
hotel and were like, he was like, where you want
to go? Were like, we want to go to hall
The cab drop us off on Amsterdam in one twenty
fifth and just me and Pim get out of the
cab and that's what we are. There's a barbershop. This
is nineteen ninety two. There's a barber shop on one

(01:41:56):
twenty fifth and Amsterdam. We go in the barbershop, we
get a I gotta get you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
I love you, brother, you know how much you've been
through people.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
We're trying to talk and it's funny because we're trying
to talk about it on here. I know, I know exactly.
We can't talk about the studio session. We talk about
how crazy you got in the hood, your shot, no man,
that slap dude behind that tongue ring, like twenty five
now you're fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
But I can't. I can't thank you enough. We'll be
just talking about understand and fuck all this other ship.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
No, but it's important for people to see me cry
because this is what they don't get to see. Right.
Hip hop is designed for ego, like all of that.
But when you love people and you think about them
and they're not next to you and you can't be
next to them, you're supposed to be like And so
that's why I love talking through it. I love crying

(01:42:54):
while I'm talking about something because that lets people know
honest we are about what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
You know, you know, you know think about it is
it's like we just lost prodigy, so we can't act
having right now the same way we could ask.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
You when yeah you can't, I can talk now I
can talk. He's here and it's not like and see
people think you get choked up when it's like, yo,
how you feel about No, I think about the little
moments that's what choked you up, not about you know,
it's for me. When I think about Pimp, I think
about this new cause and he wanted to say that

(01:43:34):
he would have bought when I look at the when
I look at the Raiths, yo, like for real, like
like people don't realize when Pim pulled up and the
bands that he's in in Big Pimping, he was the
first person on the street with that car. He was
in Miami with that car. I remember Ray Kwan coming
up to him. I remember fact Joe coming up to him.

(01:43:56):
Because people don't realize that I forgot what this because
it costs ring bling out. But it was loud weekend
back then. The first time they did that in Miami,
it was like it was a loud artist thing. So
the chef was in town, Joe was in town, everybody
and we're on Colin and Pepper just got that joint
and nobody had that joint, you know what I'm saying.

(01:44:17):
So it was a very very fantastic and they put
Pimp and people did. This was before Big Pepper, so
it let people know exactly what type of duty was,
you know what I'm saying. And it wasn't like I
got it before you was like I got what y'all got.
Were from the South.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
We we do.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
We can do anything anybody else could do, you know
what I'm saying. But it was the honesty about Pimp
that I think gets gets missed about the legacy. It's
a fault almost.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
That's the beautiful thing about you, guys. It's like when
I met you, asked you, I swear to God, this
is the realst beautiful thing. Pemper was like, tell Lurid
come in the studios the studio, listen this nigga and
realized every aspect of me. But that's exactly what I
would have. Did you understand, Like out of this same

(01:45:08):
as actual Pimp looked at me, he was like it's
and I was like damn. And then we fund through each.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Other the whole night like this, and you people would
never know how close this group was, like Kine and
Copona no Jega, because when people look at people, they
think people are close because they do a bunch of songs,
a bunch of songs, you know what I'm saying. But
the real people that really have friendships in music, they
don't even really do music together. We talk about family,

(01:45:44):
we talk about children, we talk about contracts and legacy
and shit like real life ship, you don't be like yo,
let's do this and let's start this. That's not what
real people do. Real people like Yo, record companies flaking
on me, like and my ain r he only live
like ten minutes? How should I move on this? And

(01:46:04):
but like yo, I want to go to the label
and let like fifty rats loops like he's not gonna
do this. They got rats is New York up there
they got they got rat And.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
But let me tell you something, Bun, I can't thank
you so much too drunk. No no, no, no, but listen,
I am not you. I can't thank you so much
because no, we all drink Champs, drink Champs, drink Champs Finishes,
drink Champs Ching Men's drink Jamp. The thing is this,

(01:46:34):
We ain't these other shows here. We want to like
you know, pull up gossip and all this ship. All
we want to do is represent our hip hop legends.
And today we're not only big enough you, but we're
also big enough your brother who's not here, Pempsy. And
we're also big enough Prodigy because Prodigy is not here,

(01:46:56):
and we understand exactly what you guys are going through
right now for real with you, for real, and this
is drink Champs, and Drink Champs is only to big
up hip hop fuck everything else about life.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Hip Hop should be saluted.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
Every fucking day.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
There's a war going on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
But Bud, I thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
I think so much, Yo, Bun, I thank you so
much for being the last too, because I feel like
my son is coming up in a little and there's
no way I can thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
Me e fen together. The fact that you came to
left right with me, you hang off and that was
the left right yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
This is a very ill like That's why I laughed
so much when we were all standing in front of
suite because I don't think anybody thought you would have
been who you were going to be. I don't think
nobody really thought like you thought and me like, and
who we are not because of what we were then.
That's the l ship. That's like, that's the L ship.
Like we're not even who we are now because of

(01:48:16):
who we were then, because we weren't scared to beat
more than we are now. You know what I'm saying,
That's why we are now talk man, so like you
know what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
You figure out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
I'm just like I'm telling you, I'm so because I'm
a fan of both and just just to know that
when we all when I met Bun and left, like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
That's such a memorable. I feel like I'm back in
that moment and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
And I see it like it was yesterday, and it's
it's like I said, this intricate season of that day
that we could never.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
As deep as.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
And I tell people all the time about that story,
so it's so funny to talk about it here in
this space because I talk about that story all the time, Like, Yo,
you want to know what I really was in New York.
You know I really was in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Please tell us something like like drinking belve that story.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Like my my number one moment, and there's a lot,
but just literally like turning up the belvet their bottle
and then like I felt like I was in clock
us because.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
The Niggas the DT started the corner and I'm like
it's one time, right, one time, like we're sitting there
were in the corner and this is when Armadale Vodka
is popping right like we're supporting rock. I'm sorry, we're
supporting supporting Blackfastess like we are on that but that

(01:49:36):
was the move Armadale.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Right, So I'm in New York. I'm within no ready,
I'm drinking Armadale. Like Lawd's like, yo with you in
dreams it goes over the store and that like not
this side, like shout out the puff, but yo, we
had the magnet. Just being real.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
We're in a hood.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
So i got this huge bottle of vodka and I'm like,
it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
I member queens something left right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
And then like just like Clock is in literally like
the old school, like it's literally what my man was
driving past your boy Clocks. He's in the same detective
like Lincoln car and I'm like, really, word, that's what
you came to New York for. And he's like, now
you good, you go, And apparently I was good. But yeah,

(01:50:22):
but I watched a couple of dudes get slapped.

Speaker 8 (01:50:25):
Somebody shot five Well, a couple of dudes got shot
to fire you it was it really, I was like,
damn not because it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I'm like, yo, this is the same ship that if
I was on this corner and you're right and this
the same ship would have happened. And the whole night.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
As the night progressed, I'm like the world's the ghetto,
that's all he said.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
And you know, like that's exactly what we should Nothing
scared me, nothing surprised me, exactly. You know what I'm saying.
You under scanned me. Nothing surprised me. I'm like, I'm
gonna tell this funny story.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Please. One of the first things that happened, little man
comes up. Nois like yo, but just so you know,
little man, what we don't do when we eat bananas,
we don't eat hot dogs. I'm like, this is crazy
because you asked a little dude from where I grew
up and if you want to popstor and they would
look at your crazy, right. And it's not that there's

(01:51:26):
anything wrong with eating pop soup right in general.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
It's just that's against my rules. Continue. But it was
very funny, like and he's looking at noid the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
He said, and kid was less than twelve, and then
the kid let's did something, and then the kid less
than they did something.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
I'm like, together finished, but listen, you know what I
ate downstairs? I eat a hot dog, but everything on
it no hot dog. Fact, what did I eat downstairs.
Everything hot dog, I get a hot dog.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Okay, continue, there's nothing saying that the same note the
same to the white.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Let me tell you something. This is not the back
in the days. Oh, this is not nowadays. When I
asked bum Bee to come to my hood. This wasn't
the nice food.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
This was the That was when niggas was like, yo,
you know, these buildings got underground. Niggas is like shooting niggas,
Like yo, if they come, just run with follow me.
All we gotta do is make.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
It to the buildings.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Like all we gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
They said, oh, we understand this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
They said, all we gotta do is make it to
the building because they cause they ain't gonna know if
we go up or go down. So we're good left right,
got underground ship. So like yo, that was that time
and the hood and it was literally were like yo,
if anything happened, just run with us. It was a
time and all we got to do is make it
to the building. All you gotta do is make it

(01:53:03):
to the building. And don't worry. Believe listen, I'm like okay,
and I ain't got to bump me like I got
it now, I got to tow him in this because
so I ain't got to bump you. But they were
like all we got to do because we're on the corner.
We had a light and so it's a building right here.
There's a building right there, and it's it's like, yo,
be we're good. All we gotta do is make it
to the building. They aint gonn know where we're going.
The DT's got to catch us before we get in

(01:53:25):
the building. Once we get in the building, they don't
know if we're going up or we're going down. Ineleo.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
It was beautiful because that's sorry, no, no, but that
was the New York I wanted to see.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I'm sorry, that's when I wanted New York. I'm old
enough to remember the warriors and ship, so New York
had to be a certain way when I got here.
I didn't want to go to Junior's cheek shout the puff,
but that's not what I wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
I know, I'm taking a pacel right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
I'm so sorry I did not, But we were very
we were close to the buildings, so I wasn't tripping.
I wasn't tripping. But that's the one thing I remember,
the stately yes, yo, So it's not like we were
out there selling.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Crack, but we were drinking big If it was selling cracks,
who did I that I met out there?

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Are you talking about that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
You talking about that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
That's that's for the.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
First time that literally it's crazy show too, But she
got real twelve o'clock c Yeah, so, bun Man, So
what would you think before we get up out of here,
what would PEPSI think of this whole generation right now?
I think you think.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
I think he would love the fact that young people
are getting paid for the music because we used to
have to try to figure out just how to get
paid for putting the record out. Nowadays you get paid
for putting the record out from down roads, from streaming,
all these other things, so you get paid off of
one song ten different ways if you know how to

(01:55:06):
work the game. You were just trying to figure out
how to get paid from putting a record out. So
I think, you know, from that aspect, he would be
happy of the freedom that artists have. But on the
other side, right, but on the other side, he would
be I think he would be disappointed in a lack
of honesty.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
You know what lack of honesty?

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Yeah, Like, because we're here that like, right now, expose
everything that's fake. But if you're fake, you can't expose
anything because it would expose you. And that's what he
would be disappointed about. Pemp never had a problem with
who people were. It was about people pretending about who
they were. That was his problem. You know what I'm saying.
If you're a gamester, you a gang say, if you're

(01:55:45):
a hipster, you a hipster, if you stray gay, whatever,
just be who you tell me when I meet you.
Just be that every time I see you, and I
can live and if I like that, if I can
accept that, I'm good with that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
But don't be ten thousand niggas told nor is the
real nigga. He still wanted to meet that nigga said,
I gotta meet you. He looked at me, said and
then he hungered me the whole night.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
And it was it was funny because Pep was like, Yo, man,
I'm so happy that this niggas who we said the people.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Said like he was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
I'm so happy that he was who he said he was.
You and Keith mury you and keep murray or like
what exactly who we where?

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
He thought?

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
What we thought that we want to be? You were
everything we thought it was going to be.

Speaker 9 (01:56:35):
Saying right before you were saying, y'all went to fifth
and y'all walking the ball happened.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
We went in there. We was like we were from
Texas and he was like, you gotta be you know
what I'm saying. It was like what you're doing in
the hall was like, we want to get a hair cut,
we want to get weed, and we want to get
some food, and niggas like, we just want to let me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Say something before you convince. Listen, pimp. See didn't give
a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Weald a.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
The way this and he checked me in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
It's not like I was in Texas or in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
He said this. Niggas told me your real nigga. Pimp.
He started rubbing his head like just and I said,
I said, oh Ship, I've never been checked this way,
so I just had to ride with it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
I was just like, oh yeah, yeah, definitely that what
they told you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
He said, yeah, yeah, he said you're good, your real nigga,
and I said yeah. He said I'm gonna make sure
you're a real nigga all right, and oh Ship, yeah,
and then he's like I'm gonna watch it. The whole night, okay,
and then me and a nigga his best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
But he definitely watched me the whole way.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
He made sure every real nigga that came around saluted me,
and if they didn't, he looked at me and say,
you make sure. And that's real ship because it was
important for us.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
We were so far removed from a lot of ship.
We moved a certain way, so it was like, man,
we gotta make sure then that niggas were around move
like we moved right, like it was never about worrying
about drama be for none of that ship. Like, Yo,
we're gonna be around certain people. We gotta make sure
we're around. We moved. It's just that simple. And if

(01:58:30):
you're a real nigga, then you're gonna you don't even
get offending due like, yo, we need to make sure
you real. You need to call. If you ain't got nothing,
take my phone, you know, he said, He says, I'm
still you can tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
He said, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
You gotta know. And that was a beautiful thing. Everything
should come back right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
That's the beautiful thing, because everything right, and you know,
and but let me just let me just tell you
something run and hip hop. People don't big each other up.
People don't sit there and say to you, but we
love you and we love what you can contribute it

(01:59:11):
to hip hop. We love what you gave to hip hop.
We love you distributed to hip hop. And this is
not the shows that you're on. This show that you're
on right now is. We're gonna fucking salute that. But
that's beautiful. We really, we really can't thank you enough.
We're gonna continue to support your ship. We're gonna blow

(01:59:32):
up your fucking album and just came out us coming.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Out the singles out game. I guess when this comes
out Game times out right now, not even a single.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
Just.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Take over, okay, let them let me single.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
We got that is a real DJ.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
So like you know, you worked with him and you
said that every time every time you like, you're still
out Vinyl, Like a lot of niggas don't know what's like.

Speaker 9 (02:00:11):
You don't know Vineyl was what it is like, that
was what the DJ's dream was, not just laptop ship.
You know, freestyle cutting shit is so I know it's deep.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Yeah, if you go and look on the Roden Dirty
album on the on the pictures on the insert, there's
a picture of me, Pimsee and DJ Screw and there's
a piece of vinyl behind him, and that's the test
press from the first record we ever did. Because Screw
was like he was the after I was DJ. So
when I got the test press, I brought it to
him because he was the only DJ I knew like mixing.

(02:00:44):
So I used to go to the spot to shoot dice,
so I brought it straight to him. It was like, yo,
and this was old, this is ninety it's ninety two,
like February ninety two. And I'm like, yo, play this,
let me know what you think. And I'm on the
pool table shooting dice because that's why we had to
shoot dice. And after I was on the pool time
in the back and he plays the shit and niggas

(02:01:04):
like it. He played again, I'm like, you'll keep that too,
you can keep it popping. And I'm like, I'm one
hundred miles away from where I grew up and I'm
in the after hours at three in the one shooting dice.
Just to make sure my see what my record do
to connect with people. And so Screw took that record
and put it on the wall in the room where
he mixed that. And when we went in that room,
which is literally about eight years later, and we go

(02:01:27):
in that room, No, he ain't pull it out because
it's on the walls. So we literally posed in front
of the picture. And at this time he wasn't DJ
Screw when I gave him this record. He's just the
After Hour DJ. We in the After Hour club. This
is nineteen ninety two. Strippers are on like the dance floor,
were shooting dice on the pool table in the back

(02:01:48):
of that bitch right next to Gallagher, my nigga, we're
shooting dice in that bitch at three in the morning.
And he played my record and niggas there's probably forty
niggas in the After Hours and he's like like this
that shit tight play that you know, And I'm like,
you might have some. And then three months later we
in New York and Columbus Circle getting ready to go

(02:02:09):
to Job Records on forty second when record were talking
tell me something good. I got the test press vinyl
and I brought it to the After Hours like my nigga,
run that. Let me know what you think. You know
what I'm saying, Like it's amazing. One question, it's probably
gonna be a little weird. No, no, nothing is with

(02:02:29):
because because I came to New York in ninety two
before Giuliani, so I remember to Weir in New York.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
So after Pimp like because he went off right he said,
the time zones is different. Now, how was your.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Life after that?

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Because and then he made it clear he said, this
is not this was This was not the first time
that because he did it before.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
This is not the first time that pipp has said
nothing that. I didn't know that, but I didn't know
Pimp was going to say what he said. If you
look at the wire, there's a moment where Big G says, well,
I can't remember his name, Slim Charles and on the wife,
but it's it's Big G from DC. And he's like,
even if it's a lie, we gotta ride on that line.

(02:03:18):
And I'm not saying my brother lied, But no matter
what my brother says in the moment, we got to
move on that. Even if it's a lie, we're gonna
have to go to war on that lot now where
me and him get in the back room while the
shooters in the front. Me and him gotta have words
in the back about why we in this situation that's

(02:03:39):
I love you. But the reality is, and there was
a lot of moments where Pitt would be like you
would get out there and be like, yo, you know what,
fuck so, and so my wife is right there, my wife, No,
I'm not a line. My wife is probably on the
side and be like, that's what we had today, you know,
and we go home and again, even if it ain't right,

(02:04:02):
even if it's a misunderstanding in that moment, we got
to move on that. We got to move on that,
you know, And it was it was very rough for
us as the family. And like that because I don't
I don't talk about a lot of because that s
was real ship, you know what I'm saying. So I
don't talk about a lot of this ship. I protect
the integrity in my family. But just the reality is
that even if I didn't agree with Pimp, I was

(02:04:25):
riding with Pimp. That was that wasn't even understood. I mean,
that wasn't even something that had to be understood. Whatever
happens in that moment, like this is what we're saying.
But even if I didn't agree, also in that movement,
if we're in front of niggas he anticipations.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Beginning, said, Bunny, gotta learn to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:45):
But I always had something to do. You knew you
had because it was my little brother, Damn.

Speaker 5 (02:04:55):
You know what I'm saying, My older brother, Pimples younger
than me, components older than me.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
So my whole thing with Pimple was like I understand
that understood. There were things he didn't really understand about,
certain things about how to handle shit. Pemple had what
they he didn't have what they call inner dialogue, right, Like,
I feel this way about this person. Should I say this?
Should I not say? That didn't even exist? That didn't
even exist. I got to address this right here, right now.

(02:05:27):
So that would whether that was a rapper, a nigga
on the street, whether it was the CEO, yes, yeah, yeah,
But even if that was like Barry White's to see
you on the record company, it would be. I remember
being in a room with like the person that determines
my future, right.

Speaker 5 (02:05:44):
You're a bitch nigga, And they get up and walk out,
and I'm like, well, I guess we understand where we're
all that way, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:05:53):
So because I talked about a year so but I
wasn't going to be like, yo, I don't know what
he said, but that's not what we If that's how
he felt, then we'll talk about that on a plane
on the way home, like maybe that wasn't the best
way to do this. But at the end of the day,
Pemple loved this ship. And this is what people don't understand.

(02:06:15):
I'll say this, please give him away a lot about
like because my wife looks up every now and then
just kiss me. But I will say, like, this was
Pimp's life. There was no plan B for Pimp for
this ship, respect and if there were certain moments where
he felt a certain way, even if I didn't really
understand it, all right, all right, well, I guess this

(02:06:37):
meeting's over. You're a bitch. You know what I'm saying.
We're out of here, U whole ass nigga don't understand
what we're trying to do. Fuck this ship, mom, be
we out of here. Well, guys, I guess you can't
see how we have each other's numbers. Maybe later, but
what he said, you know what I'm saying. And on

(02:06:59):
the home like, yo, we shouldn't have done it. Like
that the niggame calls at.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
Yeah but in the moment, but right or wrong, we
gotta ride on that. Shout out to Big G your
but I don't know if you ever. You got a
new album coming out? Yes, well, I don't know if
you ever because this is a different type of hip
hop show. There's a different type of place where you at,

(02:07:25):
and at our place, we big up our artists and
be nice. You are so fucking appreciated, old I.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Don't know, no, no, for real, I know where you ever.
There's a real reason why God gave drink camps to
the world.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Please talk about that. Because you've been a.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Drink championship ho for a I think the only person
that's even giving you a battle is forty and legit
forty destroy me, you know what I'm saying. But that's
a powerful pound. That's that's powerful powner for dad. You're
like the Floyd Metal Mayweather. When I say pound for pound,
please please keep it a powerful pound, a drink champ.

(02:08:06):
I'm just saying that. I'm just That's all I'm saying.
I mean, you go against six for six niggas and
three hundred pounds, yes, then you're gonna but but like you, Yo,
you went to every state, you went to every region,
every hood, and you drink recklessly. Not just regularlyss you
drink recklessly to the point where if it's going down,
it's going down in a very real way right now.

(02:08:27):
But you made it home safe. That's a beautiful thing.
That's a beautifying.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
There's no person we rather big up right now and
drink Champs and revault history then bump be yes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
Man right here loves you so much because if if
it's called me a few times in his life, and
I'd be surprised if I didn't give you what you
probably you know, but if drama Smalls, these were people
that were very genuine in their loves, a poor cons

(02:09:02):
you know what I'm saying, that were like, Yo, I
ain't got no money, I ain't got this, I ain't
got that. I just I really fuck with you and
I'm doing this and if you want to be a
part of it, I love that be a part of it.
And I remember my wife being like my wife was like, YO,
why are you doing this stuff? And I'm like, yo,
please trust me because of you, because of drama, because
of Smalls. But it wasn't being real because because it's

(02:09:29):
very easy for me to sit here and let you
give me accolades. I'll give you. But EFN is a
real dude, and ef It knows that there's never been
any money. Just been real, there's never been any money.
And I just wanted to see him win and he
literally and he always wanted to see me. There's been

(02:09:50):
times where people would check up a e f It
more than it's been. Really, they're being real a lot
of time, a couple of months. It was a couple
of months, but no, and he was like, yo, is
drink with me?

Speaker 7 (02:10:03):
You gotta take it over even with the group. I'm that,
but it's a lot and let us make you up.
This is not Look my wife is over there, like,
shut up, there's not this show.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Yeah, let's talk about him now, let's begging him up.
That's what you're here for.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
This is the edited. We'll put this on the ened
It know that I'm very uncomfortable to sit around and
just kind of like I'm in a new place now
where I don't want to celebrate me. I want to
celebrate God and people that have been good. We're celebrating God,
you know what I'm saying. And and so like when
people start leaning on me, but my wife is like, YO,

(02:10:45):
shut the fuck up. I'm hungry. It's time to go.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
This room is high.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
But please leaven get twelve minutes number goddamn after two
and a half.

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
Yo, But b let me tell you something. Us in
New York City, we recognized, we knew what y'all was doing.
In the Houston and the Poor Author, we understood what
y'all was doing. But you know what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
It's like a drinking game when you say.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
You want more, but let me just tell but listen,
let me tell you something, bun. But you should be
saluted every day on Monday through Sunday. And that's what
we're going to continue to do and drink Champs.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Drink Champs. First of all, Dream Champs is everything I
thought it was gonna be. Was, Yes, everything I thought
it was going to be because I thought I was
gonna be the dude that came here and talked that
didn't get drunk.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
Yo, Empire, listen, because you know why we celebrate hip hop,
and the thing about it is in the hip hop.
Hip hop.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Don't sell up a hip hop? What the fuck is
our problem?

Speaker 2 (02:12:12):
This is hip hop right. This No, this is not
hip hop. This hip hop Wow, and Bunim and Pimp
checked me. I've never been checked before hip hop. But
when checked me, I said, damn, I got to check
myself too. We checked it. And the thing about it

(02:12:36):
is we want to continue to support people like you buy.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
That's why this works because this wasn't about money and
sponsorship and none of that ship you've been now show
even at the like I said, it's funny because like what,
you ain't gonna patch yourself on the back. That's that's
what other niggas to do. But dream Champs is Dream
Champs is killing it right now. But even in the
midst of that, you kept the format and the platform

(02:13:02):
a hip hop Opening's like, yo, what's up? And I
can show you my phone.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
It's literally I've been here month. Where fun with me?

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
Because we tell because we tell the left Rack story
to everybody. You know what I'm saying, and we got
to get it out there and I have to tell
it no more. That week you just talk about this
story and how many hours we sat and sweet this
the new story. But this is this is a beautiful thing.
And shout out to Revolt for supporting you, big of them.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Big of you, because you know, listen, Charlemagne, you gotta relax.
I got a little problem with you waiting there. Charla Maine,
you gotta stop disrespect of a vault because of revault
is what's holding us down. That is a different episode
for a different day. But I can't thank you so

(02:13:52):
much because you know what, I want to thank you.
I'm not only want to thank you because you deserve
to be think, but I want to thank you for
staying here and understanding that hip hop has to be respected.
And the thing about it is so many people they say,
they sit back and they say ah, and then you

(02:14:15):
know what they don't do. They don't set the actual bars,
the actual culture.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
It's the difference between being a creative something and being
the inherited or something. I need you describe that hip
hop is something that we were part of the creation.
The new generation hip hop is something they inherited as
soon as the different dynamic as the HOWD hip hop.
We were there to create it. They it was something
they got on their birthday. You know what I'm saying.

(02:14:45):
You know that's something they got for Christmas hip hop
or something they got for Christmas, and it's not a
bad thing, but they have a different discipline and a
different dynamic that we have. And if we and if
we look at it like that, right that hip hop
was a right for us, right, a writer, past message,
but for them it was a gift. And if we
look at it like that, then we'll understand the dynamic

(02:15:05):
between us and the next generation. And you won't fault
people for not being of the culture or understanding like
being real hip hop and none of that shit.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
We earned it and we gave it to them, and
some of them don't do what we thought they would
do with it. But to judge them is to judge
our children, because we all got kids and they don't
all do what the fuck we thought they were supposed
to do. So we're the children that they're the children
of hip hop. They're not the children of us. But
we are also children of hip hop. So we have

(02:15:38):
to remember what we did when Cool, when Cool, Hirk
and all of them gave it to us. We didn't
really do what all of them expected us to do
with it, you know what I'm saying. But it's still
hip hop still exists. So we can't be mad because
some of them are still keeping hip hop alive. It
may not be what we wanted them to do with it,
but if you're a parent, you're just happy kids alive, right,

(02:16:06):
if you wake up in the morning, your kids alive.
We got a chance and that's how I feel in
the morning, the whole we Got a Chance album.

Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
But he said, it's said, and old niggas stop acting
like you knew.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Becauseupac had a nose ring too, because low Z e
Vert who I feel like he's speaking specifically because he
has a nose ring and he closed.

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
And it's very easy for us to judge.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
Young niggas based on what young niggas do right, and
it's and it's easy for us to judge old people
right because we look at the dynamic of how we
got it right. So we look at the people before
us who got hip hop from disco, and we look
at the people after us who got hip hop from
pop records and it being a part of the mainstream.
And we you know, for us, if people don't go

(02:16:53):
through the struggle to get to what we got, then
we feel different. But you don't live your life for
your children to have a struggle. You live your life
for your children to have it easier. And now we're
sitting here judging our children because they had it easier
and that we have. We shouldn't be doing that. We
should be raising them. It's not our job to judge

(02:17:15):
your so john to love them and raise them. And
you know what I'm saying, because when your children do
up said, you don't cut your children off. No, don'tay
how fucked up your children get. You don't cut your
children off. You bring them back again, and you try again.
You bring them back to the principals and made you
who you were, and you just keep praying that one
day they'll wake up like you woke up, because they're

(02:17:38):
eighteen and we were eighteen.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Your but.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
Chant man, he took it down. Drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
But I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 1 (02:17:57):
And it ain't know what the crazy thing is.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
I never ever, ever like kind of claim that I met.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
And that's that's what's crazy. And like I said, hip
hop artists that really fuck with each other don't do
music right like some of this very spell instant. But
the people in hip hop that really bond bond over
real life shit. We meet people in real life scenarios.
We realize, Yo, if I need to talk to somebody,
I'm gonna call that dude. The rest of these niggas

(02:18:28):
is just on TV and just a different type of nigga.
But when shit get real, Like, if me and my
girl ever get into it, I'm gonna call that nigga. Right,
if me and my partner ever get into it, I'm
gonna call it that nick. And you're blessed if you
can find these people and the culture, you know what
I'm saying. And because the numbers is way different from
when we started. It was like thirty niggas, like thirty

(02:18:50):
niggas tops and hip hop, and it's like I meet
thirty niggas while I'm in New York before I get
back to the airport that want to rap. But it's
a beautiful thing when when people who are in the
same struggle find each other. And when we do, we
don't exploit it, you know, because you're probably mad about
your deal. I'm mad about my deal, and we don't
even want to let niggas know we got love like that.

(02:19:13):
The only time I've ever actually done a song where
everybody on the song was like really friends, was we
did a song for what is it to be a
minister in in South central whatever, And it's it's UGK PIMC,
It's UGK Lord Jamar Keith Murray. And those are like
some of the closest friends that I've ever had in

(02:19:34):
hip hop nor including and that's like the only song
niggas ever did. But those are people that like when
I see them, I hugged them, like yo, my nigga, Yo,
you remember when you remember when you beat when you
smashed on dude in front of the club and after party,
I remember that, Like, yo, you remember you took me
on Archid Washington and ab and bought weed until it
was the biggies hood shit like that, Like it's very

(02:19:56):
very genuine moments when they have a very genuine moment
with you that you tell your people about. I tell
my people about. Now we turn a world about it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
And that's the thing before we get about it is
I don't know how much love you really realized that
New York love you?

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
Do you realize that I knew that when I came
into Amsterdam, Okay, and.

Speaker 10 (02:20:20):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (02:20:23):
Twenty five, I knew that when I came in the left,
right right, I didn't have to be anything other than
who I was. I was just a regular nigga from
the hood, and niggas received it and I saw ship happened.
I didn't no, no, nobody gave me a pistol. I
didn't overact. I didn't understand. Give you, yo, he's a
slap dude, Okay, but it was a reason why slap

(02:20:47):
all right, Yo, those dudes even sitting here talking to
four hour him and him for to go fight. Okay,
now that I know why they need to fight.

Speaker 2 (02:20:56):
That was that was fire.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
I'm not gonna go into it. But everything that happened
happened none of the same scenarios it would have happened
when I grew and that for me was so eye opening,
like yo, and for me it confirmed everything like that.
Only is the world the ghetto that niggas from the ghetto.
When I talk about the ghetto, the hood, and the trap,
those are three different places. They can all exist on

(02:21:19):
one corner, but the ghetto, of the hood and the
trap are three different things, and different people come from
different things.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
But here's the thing, but it's people. You have the
worldwide ghetto pass everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:21:33):
You could the same way I'm talking to you.

Speaker 2 (02:21:37):
You can go to Atlanta and do this. You can
go to Pittsburgh and.

Speaker 1 (02:21:41):
Do this, Hamburg, Hamburg, and I'm gonna say this, and
we're gonna shut it down with this and shut it down.
My wife makes sure that I won't just use it
for chicken wings, because you go in the hood is
always the good chicken wings. And if you got a

(02:22:02):
hood pass, you can go to the real hood spot.
But if you got if you got enough of a
hood pass to go into any hood and get chicken wings, you.

Speaker 2 (02:22:09):
Should be doing other ship your But that's just that
you're focusing on me. Waver Rod cameras focusing listen, camera one.
I can now thank you so much for coming out
hanging out with drink Champs and doing what we gotta do.
We gotta do, we do just over No, I'm drinking
over there, you drinking every type of liquor your bun.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
Thank you for coming hanging out with us and that
and and thank so extended play August twenty night. Big.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Let's talk about that before we get up out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:22:53):
I've been trying to do an album. I end up
doing like forty two songs White People's like look still
do an album, White Peo pulled the move said white people, no, no, no,
white people owe me money.

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
White people always wife money wife.

Speaker 1 (02:23:09):
He said, look, I know you want to do your album.
You might not get it out before the years over.
Put some music out. You still let people know where
you're coming from. You still can do your album like
you want to. We still get them checks. I'm like,
I I was like, we got forty two songs. We
ain't putting a twelve on the album anyway. Shout out
to the solo album. I tell you nothing about that,

(02:23:30):
but that's coming two thousand later. But she was like,
put something out, like she said, because everybody's out there
doing things and they're trying to do things. She's like, Yo,
you got this music, you've been sitting on it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:41):
Let the world know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Throw it out there because we got a different worldview.
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
I spent my whole life.

Speaker 1 (02:23:46):
Trying to save the game and the streets whatever, and
I realized by saving myself, that's how I saved my brother.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I've been trying to
save my brother, but I can't save my brother until
I saved myself. And I found myself in a space,
just being real, just so I can't do nothing for
other people. I'm trying to do for myself. Yes, And
so my wife was like, look, if this is what

(02:24:08):
you want to do, then we're going to stick to it.
So I go to the studio. I did forty songs
and forty two and she was like, this is what
this is exactly what you wanted to do, So keep that.
Now what do we do with what's what else we got?
And I was like, well, we'll put that out later.
She's like, no, fuck later. People need to hear what
you're talking about now because we're trying to do the

(02:24:29):
right thing.

Speaker 2 (02:24:30):
Wife is my sister.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
And just being real closer together, you know, said when
you're drunk, you don't lie. I'm just being honest. She's like, look,
she was like, look, we can do this. We can
because my whole thing is like I want to bite
the bullet. I mean, people call me the og. I
never called myself og. Niggas call me og. There's a
connotation that comes with that. When you accept being called
as an og. At some point you got to bite

(02:24:53):
the bullet for the next generation. So my album was
the Biting was a concept of biting a bullet for
the next year race. She was like, look, you have that,
but you still need to let people know. Look, this
leadership coming. You know what I'm saying before that, like
like let people know you're a leader and then be
a humble leader. So I'm like, all right, so cool,

(02:25:13):
So we'll come out letting it go south still here,
just like Hove just came out. And my thing was,
this is so funny. I thought Hope was coming in December,
so I was like, I need to get out before
hop hole drop. Like yo, So now we're good. We're good.

(02:25:35):
So it's like and and I love where Hope came from.
A person like jay.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
Doesn't have to be vulnerable but that that's so that's
so that's so vulnerable for you to say that because
you have one of the most honorable records that jay
Z is ever made in his life.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Jay Z doesn't have to ever have to be anything
but jay Z. Right, this is I think the closest
we've seen is Sean right on Music talking about it. Well,
I mean, I'm bum be. My wife doesn't call me be,
myfe doesn't even call me my mof, doesn't call me
bunt me your wife. Yeah, I'm not even my wife

(02:26:18):
saving rapper. So the dynamic it's good wife and I
have to assume that there's a there's a similar maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:26:25):
Your wife favor I know, my wife shaving rapper is
you gotta him up?

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
You know, because I'm not gonna my.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
Masculinity, my masculinity to participate.

Speaker 1 (02:26:40):
My masculinity is not built on my wife's fantasy. If
you all my wife's reality is you know what I'm saying,
that is. I don't worry about that, but you know
what that is.

Speaker 2 (02:26:50):
That's a real man.

Speaker 1 (02:26:51):
I'm just a real man.

Speaker 2 (02:26:53):
Less. I don't care less. But that's now.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
That's now. When you first told me that, I felt
a certain way, you know, and my wife did a
very good job made me feel secure about the fact
that what I listened to on the radio and what
I love it. It's a different thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:27:08):
If and he his girl was in Throng so that
WASPS and he was in she was not she was.

Speaker 3 (02:27:20):
She was.

Speaker 10 (02:27:22):
To bring this up, she was in a bunch of videos.
She was girl at the time. No, no, you know what,
let me can I say something about this.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
If you're very concerned about the person that you want
to be with past, you can throw away the future.
Can we just say that because I could guarantee you
If you're a man worried about how many dudes your
girl fuck, you probably fucked three four times before y'all
came together. Is that especially if you got money? But

(02:27:59):
and that can I can I go there? Can I
just go this? My pastor told me that there's no
man built in this world that can handle, but a
woman can handle. A woman can handle a man dealing
with more than one man. But if a man finds
out his woman slept with more than one dude, that's
how women get killed. Like that's murder, suicide all day.

(02:28:21):
God built women to handle things that man could never handle,
that's all, you know what I'm saying. And we're built
to handle things physically. Like I'm gonna tell you some
real shit. So God build man to handle I'm gonna
keep it real. God build man to handle shit on
his shoulder. God built build woman to handle things in

(02:28:43):
their heart right, so we can handle the weight of
the physical weight of the world, but not the emotional.
And you got a good woman is a good woman
that can hold you, that hold you when the emotional
weight of the world weighs you my wife in my room,

(02:29:10):
going a room with your wife, and I'm very long.

Speaker 2 (02:29:20):
And well close it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:21):
Out with this. Nori and I are very lucky that
as we go into these later stages with our wife,
as we transition from music to the next level, that
we have the same support system. Because who it was
very easy to be uplifted as an EMC. Outside of that,

(02:29:43):
it's very rough. There's a lot of anxiety. There's a
lot of depression. There's a lot of stress. And if
you don't have a woman, you gotta go to drugs.
You gotta go to alcohol, you gotta go to pills,
you gotta go to sex, you gotta go to everything
except that. And in my weakest moll moments where I
felt like I need to smoke more weed, I need
to drink more liquor. God bless my wife, be like, no,

(02:30:05):
you need more God, you need more family, You need
more you. You know what I'm saying, You need more
you and so, and that's what this new music is about.
And even me being here and being in a position
to do this podcast was about being honest about I
have anxiety. As an artist, I get depressed about maybe

(02:30:26):
I'm not in twenty seventeen who I was in two
thousand and seven or ninety seven or whatever, But that
doesn't mean I'm not a good man.

Speaker 2 (02:30:32):
That doesn't mean I can't provide.

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
Right, Here's a reality that a lot of artists have
to deal with, and I'm glad we get to talk
about this. Age artists come into the game. You have
a record, you get paid for that record, and you
assume that your life is based on that record. So
what you're getting paid for that record, you assume that's
what you're gonna get paid for the rest of your life.
And even if you find a range of wey, okay,

(02:30:57):
this is what the show is like from here on now.
Maybe five thousand more, five thousand less, but this is
what the show is. So you say, okay, I can
live my life around that, right. I got a wife,
I got two kids. I can live my life based
on what I'm getting paid. And you have a third kid.
Then you have a fourth kid, then your kids graduate,

(02:31:19):
then you got a kid going to college, you got
a second kid. God forbid, you know, you end up
in a situation I say, God forbid. But it's a
beautiful thing because every child is a blessing. Then one
of your kids have a kid. So you're still getting
paid in twenty seventeen, which you got paid two thousand
and seven for a show when you only had two responsibilities.

(02:31:40):
But now you got five responsibilities. You're still getting that
show money, maybe even a little less. So you're still
getting what you normally got, but your responsibilities increase. Your
money don't increase, but your responsibilities increase. And then but
at the same time, you look at your wife. You
love your wife. You want your wife to be comfortable.
You look at your kids, want your kids to be

(02:32:00):
God forbid. You have got grandkids because they're all bets off.
We're gonna do whatever. We got to do it for them, right,
But you don't want them to work. So you take
the worry that you would normally your wife would have
about finance. You take that. You have to worry that
your kids would have you have grandkids, You take that.

(02:32:22):
You're dealing with all of that, and then you go
around other dudes. I come around, nor norry. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:32:27):
I'm good, deed, what's up with you?

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
I'm good? That's a lie. I'm not good.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
Stress, stressed like a motherck. Just be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
It's just fucked up, just fucked up. But I don't
not that I'm not going up. I don't want to
tell you that because from my perspective, I think you
eating right, and I don't want it to seem like
you're eating and I'm not. So you say you're good
and I'm good, but the reality is I'm not good.

(02:33:00):
And if I talk to him, regardless of what he's eating,
he's not good. Right. It's not about the money all
the time. You can make the money that you need
to pay the bills, but it doesn't help the stress
that you deal with, and in pursuit of those bills,
it doesn't alleviate. You can make the bills for July, right,

(02:33:21):
and then you go to everybody's happy, wife's, happy kids,
happy everybody goes to speak at ten o'clock, You up
at two in the morning. August September. You know what
I'm saying. Birthdays, Christmas, And that's what's wrong with us.
We've put up these images of who we want ourselves

(02:33:45):
to be, and we tell the people that we love
that this is who we're going to be, and they
can rely on that person, and you can always count
on that person. When this person comes, right, you can
count on this person. It's five people, two other people come,
mother in law, father in law, cousin, sis in law,

(02:34:07):
ten people, twelve people, fifteen people. You can count on
this person. And nobody understands that I'm not getting no
extra shows, I'm getting no extra money, but I'm still
taking on this shit. And you don't end up telling
anybody until Yo, I thought I was supposed to get this.

(02:34:28):
It's coming, don't worry about it. Don't worry about that.
You know, we got that. Don't worry aboudy, I got that.
And then this comes, don't worry about that. I got that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
I got that.

Speaker 1 (02:34:36):
And yeah, then I talk about on new music in
this world and it's very easy to say in the
entertainment industry, but this is the real world. We all
end up at some point Robert Peter the paper, and
the only time it becomes a problem is what Peter
gets mad. You know what I'm saying, now here problem,

(02:35:00):
I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it one hundred
and hip hop. You can find a Peter with a
bunch of money that just want to be along for
the rock, right so just keep it real. And Peter's
got X amount of money, So it's like, yo, if
I if Peter fuck with me, you go here from
February and November were good, money were good, Peter fuck

(02:35:21):
with us, and then Peter should get bad. Oh shit
get bad the same mm hm and your family don't
know that Peter is a part of it. It's crazy
and you gotta try to figure out how to make
all this ship makes sense. This is not my issue,
and any rapper that's watching.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
This, please.

Speaker 1 (02:35:43):
Peter and Paul real talk my bottle, my glasses. If
it's not about looking, this is about real life. We
gotta stop going to Peter to pay Paul. The record
industry is built around you because they're Peter. That's who.

(02:36:06):
That's who. Peter is the recognition, that's the industry, that's
the advance. Peter is the advance. Paul is the family.
So you gotta go and get another advance and do
another album.

Speaker 4 (02:36:20):
I e.

Speaker 1 (02:36:20):
Rob Peter to pay Paul. But the reality is Peter
is mad because you're not robbing Peter. Peter is just
fronting you. And that's where shit gets bad. And then
families fall apart because they thought you were Peter, and

(02:36:46):
that's where families fall apart, going they thought. And I
used to say, if you're luck, I almost said it,
you like, if you're blessed. You realize that God is Peter,
and you've been leaning on him for too long, for
too long, and Paul is Man, and you've been robbing God,

(02:37:09):
taking every all the blessings and opportunities from God to
make man happy. And then God gets mad at you
because you've never given him anything. Because you know what
the reality is. You don't get mad at Paul. You
get mad at Peter. The reality is Peter's nigga has
been holding you down. Paul is the nigga you've been

(02:37:31):
front of him. Paul is the fan base, Paul is
social media. That's who Paul is.

Speaker 2 (02:37:40):
And he's shining too.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
And Paul don't care Yo. The illushit I heard and
this is literally from four weeks ago with the Bible study,
and it was like most of us are going broke
to prove to people. We don't even like that we
got money. That's not even my word. Word that John Gray,
that's not even my word. And I didn't even realize

(02:38:02):
and I'm not living like that, now right listen. But
I'm like, yo, I did that at some point. So
when you realize this shit, are you going to keep
lying to yourself and lying to the people, because that's
how we keep the shows up. I'm just I'm give
out there right now. That's how we keep the shows
up and the money and all of that is because

(02:38:25):
people want to lie about where they are, and we
co sign that lite. People want to be like, yo,
it's all right, We're good, and we'd be like, yeah,
it's all good. But the sooner we admit the truth
about where we're at, the sooner they can. Because I
went to hip hop watching Chuck D and Exclaim trying

(02:38:46):
to be real about where I was as a black man,
and they wasn't getting paid for it like I get
paid for it. And it's very easy for these the industry.
I'm sorry, Robter doesn't go against what you guys are
trying to promote, but it's very easy to go against
that to maintain a lifestyle that you prayed for, right

(02:39:09):
Because when you think about your family and your children,
you don't think about God. I'm just being real. You
think about what you didn't have. We had God, we
were coming up, but we didn't have money, we didn't
have opportunity, we didn't have privilege. So when that's what
we want for our kids. And then when you get

(02:39:31):
old and at the point where I got grandkids and
I could look at my kids as growing people, and
that's what they I can see that that's what they
wanted and needed. Was everything that made us who we were,
but we didn't make them what they were. Based on that,
we thought about everything we didn't get or like I
didn't get a Taris and Calicos. So when xboxing and PlayStation,

(02:39:56):
I wanted to give them that. It was have to
babysit and do other shit for Jordan's, So I wanted
my kids to have Jordan's. But I was also raised
to appreciate and respect and acknowledge God, and I didn't
do that every moment. I'm not saying I didn't acknowledge
God in my life, but there was some shit that

(02:40:17):
I didn't do when I should have done. And you know,
I don't know if this again, Rob, I don't know
if this is against but just to say, you know,
I saw God in you. You saw God and me,
we didn't know it was God, right and we're there

(02:40:37):
now and taking God out of everything. I didn't know
who I was when I started. I had more faith
in who you guys were, looking at opponent Noriega, looking
at my deep, looking at EPMD, wanting to be emulative
of that, and then realizing that I was already that
when I met him, like this, Nigga's me. I only

(02:40:59):
need to like this.

Speaker 2 (02:41:01):
Thig is me.

Speaker 1 (02:41:02):
He killed that, people killed me, killed that. He killed that.
You know, I gotta drink more now, and Yo, God,
bless God. I don't know what makes the room that

(02:41:26):
makes the podcast, but I know it made the room.
Your bud. I can't think of it enough, going to
picture

Speaker 2 (02:41:35):
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