November Trade Value Chart Changes | Dynasty Trade Block + Chat Q&A (Ep. 272) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Discord Stages.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
It is the Trade Block.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as I am and the first
Tuesday of every month by Pat Fitz Morris Fitz. I
was not here last month because it was the day
before I had foot surgery, So it's been two months
since I've gotten to kind of touch base with you
about some Dynasty trade value chart conversations specifically, and I'm
looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, that's okay. Where nothing much has changed at all
in the Dynasty landscape over the last month, so nothing
to see.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Technically, the last time I did this, I don't think
the season had started yet, right, it would have been
the first Tuesday September, which would have been before the season.
So this is the first time and we're already into
the second half of the season, which feels kind of crazy.
We're into the double digit weeks here, and the first time,
I mean we mentioned Dynasty on the other shows on occasion,
but first time that you and I are specifically going
into a show with Dynasty in mind. So looking forward

(00:59):
to going through some of these changes here in the
last month together from a high level of you fits
just because I wasn't with you last month. Since the
season began, do you feel like it's largely been a
positive year in terms of dynasty values or negative? Do
you feel like you had more players gain value or
more players lose values so far in the first two
months of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Just instinctively, I mean, I would have to take inventory,
but it feels like we've had more gainers, a lot
of pleasant surprises, I would say, and people, you know
I whiffed on, like Jackson Dart who has been such
a pleasant surprise and looks like he's going to be
a super flex quarterback anchor for people for years to come.

(01:41):
So yeah, there have definitely been some hits, some major
value losses, but I think for the most part it's
been positive.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Let's start off the conversation at quarterback and by the way,
everybody can find we update the first of every month,
the entire single you know, throughout the year, not just
in season, but the first of every month. We update
the Dynasty trade value chart on fantasypros dot com. You
can easily just google Fantasy Pros Dynasty Trade Value Chart
and find it on there as well through Google if
you want to, but we have it here up on
the site.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
There are also draft pick values.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So we have twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven
rookie draft pick values there if you're making trades with
those picks in mind. But the quarterback position is where
we usually start, and I want to start with Jackson
Dart because you already mentioned him here, and Dart is
somebody that I missed on in terms of I wasn't
high enough before the season, like you are saying about yourself,

(02:32):
I do feel.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Like maybe it's a little bit high.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And this is a collaborative effort between you and other
folks fit, so this is not strictly your ranking. He
is the ninth most valuable quarterback in our current rankings
here on the updated Dynasty Trade value chart. That feels
like a bit much to me. For example, the three
names after him are Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, and Bo Nix.
And you know, Nix is somebody that I didn't love

(02:56):
going into last season, But coming off of last season,
Caleb's pettigrew and he's had some real spike weeks, although
he's also had some down weeks, and his Jordan Love
has generally looked, you know, fantasy wise, maybe hasn't been
like the perfect quarterback this year, but I think it's
looked like just a very good quarterback this year. It's
hard for me to put Dart just a couple of
games in ahead of all three of them. I know
the running has been there, it's still early. He doesn't

(03:17):
really have any anybody to pass to except for Neighbors,
who obviously doesn't have this year, but even just in
general long term, that's really the only guy there, you know,
Scattaboo also coming off of season Andrew, So what do
the weapons look like next year?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I just get a little nervous putting him. Heead of
names like love.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Caleb, bo Nix, but I get that he should have
moved up. I guess it's just a degree to which
he's moved up that has me a little hesitant.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I get it. I think he's going to be a
lot better than Knicks, Like I'm not to me, Nix
just doesn't even factor into that conversation. Honestly, Nicks is
averaging six point one yards per attempt this year. That's
that's like almost backup level. Like he's had a couple
sort of spike games or Spike Quarters, as in when
they were playing the Giants and he had that wild

(03:59):
come Like I just I was more excited about Bonnicks
coming into this year than I am right now, Like
I'm a little I'm not that high on him anymore,
but I get it with love and Caleb, what I
would argue with Caleb versus Jackson Dart. Dart is basically
scoring the same amount of Fantasy points, if not more

(04:23):
than Caleb right now, with a far worse supporting cast
like terrible wide receivers, whereas Caleb has roma duns and
DJ Moore worse offensive line. The Bears offensive line has
been fantastic for the last month. Like Dart has just
impressed me with how resourceful he is and how willing
a runner he is. Now, maybe that's not the best

(04:44):
business model long term because it's going to open him
up to more hits, but boy, I just you know,
whereas there are games where you know, and I'm here
in the Chicago area where I watch Caleb. Times I
watch him and he looks terrific and you see the
Bear spent the number one pick on him, and other
times where you just wonder if he is ever going

(05:04):
to live up to the potential, I guess, and you
know love and I I understand with love, it's a
debate for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I was just gonna say, like, I guess, I just
get nervous when we only have a handful of games
in a guy's career, and Jackson dartis played what six
full games so far? He has a rushing touchdown in
five of those six games. I get nervous about, like
how sustainable that is? Because, like, yes, if you look
at just strictly the game log in terms of his
scoring QB eleven, QB sixteen, QB three, QB three, QB thirteen,

(05:33):
QB seven, and that's against some really tough defenses, that
looks awesome. But when that is so propped up by
you're getting like a free extra six points every single
week from that rushing touchdown, if that well dries up,
that makes me nervous. Now, maybe that well doesn't dry up,
and maybe he is a very poor man's version of
Josh Allen who just like is going to score rushing

(05:54):
touchdowns regularly. That could be the case. I mean, he
looks like the type of player that could do that.
Like just the way he said his willingness to run,
not even just his ability, but like he's very willing
to tuck it and run, especially near the goal line.
But I just get nervous about if that dries up
then all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't have moved up. I'm
not saying he's not going to be a very valuable
super flex quarterback going forward. But he's currently ranked as
like a halfway decent you know QB, you know, a
one QB format dynasty quarterback, and I just feel nervous
about that.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's fair. You know, he is basically playing quarterback the
way he did an old mess where it's one read
if it's not their take off and run. I agree,
that's not the way to play over time, and I
don't think that's how Brian Dable is going to develop him.
But right now, in fairness to Jackson Darts, his top
two wide receivers are Wandelle Robinson and Darius Slayton. Like

(06:46):
he is really shorthanded. No, Molik Neighbors lost his buddy
and his top running back in cam Skataboo. Like he's
going to get Neighbors back next year. They're probably going
to add to that wide receiver room. Things might look different,
and hopefully Dart's game looks a little bit different with
some of the running. You know, we're still going to
get rushing value out of Jackson Dart no matter what,

(07:07):
but hopefully he looks to be we want him to
play the way Drake May plays like. Drake May is
still looking to pass even when he's running around, but
sometimes he'll take off and run and add rushing value
to our fantasy teams. But Drake May has been a
passer first, So hopefully Dart can be more May like

(07:27):
next year.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
It's funny I was gonna mention May briefly. He's currently
the fifth highest rength of QB in this he moved
up a little like quite frankly, just given what we've
seen out of him, with his supporting cast and the
age difference between the folks that like. I think you
could make a cogent argument for him as the most

(07:49):
valuable Dynasty quarterback right now. I would not make that argument,
but I think I think he's closer to Tier one
than he is too. This like hurts May Mahomes group
that's kind of affort tier one and like again I
think there is a coherent argument to be made that,
given the age and what we've seen, and the fact
that his supporting guests should get better, that May is
the guy. Like obviously, if you're win now mode, you

(08:10):
rather have Alan or Lamar. But like, just in a vacuum,
I think there's an argument for May as high as
number one. I mean, and you and I of course
were as high as anybody on him coming into the season.
So we're we are, you know, kind of sitting back
and smoking our cigars and just raking in the rewards
of being early and high on Drake May and so
he just looks ground. I think we need to talk

(08:32):
more about him, but just in general, like wanted to
note that he continues to move up here.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Unfortunately, the rankings of Derek Brown and Andrew Erickson also
contribute to this trade value chart, so that that sort
of trust me, I have Drake may Or rank higher
than QB.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Five and Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
He's tied with Jalen Hurts in this value and I
not a knock on Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But I would rather have Drake May, Like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I don't think I don't think it's closely there. Myself.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, looking further down.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
The other name that I want to highlight a quarter
back before we move off the position, just Daniel Jones,
Like he moves up seven, you know, kind of value
points in QB one formats seventeen and super flex formats
for us, he's up to QB seventeen in value. Maybe
I was gonna say, maybe it's aggressive. Just looking at
some of the names behind him, it would have been
surprising before the season, of course, to see names like

(09:21):
JJ McCarthy, Cammore, Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Sam Darnold, Michael Pennock,
Junior Kyler, Murray, Justin Fields are all behind him. But
he has been very good. It is possible that he
turns back into a pumpkin, but it looks less likely
every week. Although he didn't have his best week against
Pittsburgh here this past weekend, I just feel like he

(09:42):
I don't know, I guess. Let me ask you, because
I'd rather instead of sharing my opinion, I want to
get your opinion. Is are we far enough into this
performance this season that you are a believer like that, Yes,
this is a guy that you are confident in being
a super flex starter for you, beyond this season, because
Dyne is that you do have to be thinking beyond
this year? Or is this still like a miraculous twenty

(10:03):
twenty five, Like it's almost like a insanity run. And
let's just see when the other shoe drops in the
clock strikes midnight.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
That's kind of it. If we had talked about this
ranking before the game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, could have
questioned me on whether this was high enough for Daniel Jones.
So right now I think worm we have just taken
the soux fle out of the oven and it is settling.
We do not want to touch it, We do not
want to cut into it. I think we'll have a
better handle on Daniel Jones' dynasty value in a few

(10:35):
weeks or at the end of the season. I know
that doesn't do good for the people who are contemplating
trading for or trading away Daniel Jones, but yeah, right now,
it's he's kind of a hard guy to get a
read on.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, here's what I would say about Jones, and then
we'll move off quarterback. The Colts just traded away two
first round picks for Sauce Gardner earlier today. Fits that
is not a move you make if you are expecting
to try and fix quarterback, you need first round picks
to solve that position. It's very unlikely to find some
many free agency, even though they seem to have struggled
on Jones. Like that is the move of a team

(11:08):
that thinks Jones, Jones or Richardson is our quarterback for
the long haul. And it's certainly you can't really make
the argument for Richardson right now. So like that trade
to me speaks very highly of Shane Steichen and that
front office's opinion of Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yep, it shows a commitment for sure.

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Speaker 1 (12:19):
All right, fits, let's go to.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
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Speaker 3 (12:31):
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Speaker 2 (12:49):
Daniel's not one hundred percent out for the year, right,
They said, uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, it is non throw.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
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Speaker 3 (12:59):
We see exactly. I'm hoping to get him back for
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, so you did lean into a win now team,
then it.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Is kind of win now. But there's a little bit
of there's a little bit of year. He guys was
suffering suffering with Trayvon Henderson for a while, so yeah,
but maybe that'll pay off yet.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, well, let's speaking of Travon talk about some running
backs here. I am not sure what kind of conversation
you guys had last month on him after his first
month of the year. But we're not two months into
this kind of frustrating campaign for Henderson. He's now RB
sixteen in this Dynasty trade value chart. He dropped from
about the RB twelve ish range. It looks like if

(13:38):
you look at the numerical values here, I think most
of the names ahead of him, it's like pretty clear
and understandable why they are ahead of him. The one
that maybe would raise eyebrows again from the dynasty perspective,
not from the redraft perspective is the guy right ahead
of him at RB fifteen, Javonte Williams, who has had
this real resurgence in Dallas. He's been you know what

(14:00):
we talked about his upside scenario being for this year,
which is the clear only usable back in the backfield
of a very explosive, fun offense, and it's really panned
out that way.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So he's jumped up a ton.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
He's jumped up from about the RB twenty four ish range,
and that was again just from already a month into
the season.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
He was even lower before then.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
But for right now, when you compare a guy like
Javonte Williams versus Traveon Henderson, what do you think about
Because it's not like Davante's that old. He just has
been around a while because he came in to the
league pretty young and then had the injury stuff. So
a guy like Javonte versus Travion at RB fifteen, RB sixteen,
what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So I actually have that reversed in my personal rankings.
I do have Trayvon ranked a little bit higher, butts
Javante has been really good, really durable. He's handled a
big load and has had no even minor maladies this year.
And yeah, like you said, he's twenty five and a half,
So Javonte twenty five and a half is prime for

(14:59):
run You're in your prime. But you know, he's got
another couple of seasons before we have to worry about
him hitting the downslope. But it's nice because this is
the Javante Williams we hoped we would see eventually back
when he was buried, well not buried, but splitting time
with Melvin Gordon in Denver and everyone was mad about
it and wanted Javonte to get the full run out.
So he's getting the full run out and it's been

(15:21):
pretty spectacular, but still have hopes for Traveon Henderson. They're
forced to use him more now with Ramondra Stevenson on
the shelf, and it seems like they are running him
more outside, which Josh McDaniels wasn't doing enough of early
in the season. I mean, get this guy on the
edges because that is his bread and butter. And you

(15:42):
know they were just kind of slamming in between the
tackles early in the year. So I think they're starting
to figure out what the more optimal usage is for Trey.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Nobody cares about, you know, us going too deep on
the guys the very top of this list. We all
know who the best running backs in Dynasty are. I
do find it noticeable that Jamiir Gibbs is now almost
he's not quite. He's almost closer to Jonathan Taylor at
RB three than he is to Bjon at RB one.
There is like a noticeable gap between Bjon and Gibbs.

(16:10):
I've kind of considered them as just like an easy
one A one B in Dynasty, and then a gap
after that? Was that you or was that Deebro and Rickson?
That was kind of leading into maybe widening that gap
just a small amount, but noticeable.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I guess I was involved in that, Like it's we
have the David Montgomery obstacle for Jamiir Gibbs. I suppose
Tyler Algier gets some run for the Falcons too, but
I feel like there are weeks where Gibbs is not
like a major part of the game plan, or he
kind of gets scripted out. And we saw that a
little bit last week with the Lions lost to the Vikings.

(16:47):
Whereas Bijon pretty much gets fifteen touches plus every game
maybe that's the difference. Yeah, Gibbs is wildly talented and
has he does it a little bit more sporadically, I
think than Bejeon does it. Like I would have no
issues with Gibbs being maybe a little closer than this.
To me, I don't see them as interchangeable, though, I like,

(17:09):
if you asked me this guy or this guy would
definitely want Bejeon.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I knew.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I agree that Bijeon is number one, like I don't,
but I see them in the same tier, even if
I would rank Bejeon ahead.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's less that there's a gap between them and more
like I feel like Gibbs is closer to Bijon than
he is to anybody else. I guess is the way
I would frame it, which is technically true in the chart,
but that gap widened and it's it's almost not true.
So I wanted to bring it up because I found
it interesting. But of course everybody's really happy as those guys.
One guy that everybody who you know probably traded nothing
for him or picked him move off waivers or whatever,

(17:45):
but has made managers very happy. Rico Daubtle he has
the largest leap of anybody in trade value. In this
edition of the chart, he goes up from about the
RB sixty eight sixty nine range all the way up
to be UH thirty is where he's at now. He's
in range with guys like the aforementioned David Montgomery's ach

(18:07):
scharbonday Wood. He marks those are the three names ahead
of Dawdell, and then Bill Krosky, Merritt, Chubuhabard, Baschall Touton
are the three names behind him. Very largely obvious. Why,
I mean, he's looked awesome. I guess they're really only
the question for Dowdell, if there's two, it's a you know,
does he keep it up? Like you know, obviously he's
not gonna be rushing for two hundred yards a game,
but like to some degree, does he keep it up?

(18:27):
And b will the opportunity kind of maintain at this
level to allow him to provide and produce for fantasy managers.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It seems like it's going to maintain it. It's interesting.
So he signed a one year deal very cheaply with
the Panthers before the start of the season, and now
he's gonna be free agent. And whereas he found pretty
tepid interest on the market last time he hit free agency.
I think there's gonna be more interest in Rico this
time around because he has just been the engine for

(18:58):
this Panthers offense. I mean, they just beat the Green
Bay Packers in Green Bay and a day where Rico
ran for more yards than Bryce Young through four, right, Like,
Rico was kind of the offense in that game for
the Panthers. So the only thing is, like he's twenty seven,
Like he's an absolute win now piece for sure. I

(19:21):
don't know if he's going to be a building block,
but he should have some value somewhere next year. And
I wonder wonder if the Panthers might try to extend him,
maybe not considering they gave Chewba Hubbard the big contract
extension last offseason, so like they're kind of financially committed
to Cuba. I don't know if they can tie up

(19:42):
that much money in running backs. They still have Jonathan
Brooks on IR you know, I don't know if his
career is ever going to get traction in the NFL
now that he's torn his ACL twice, but pretty interesting
like that he's going to be a major free agent
story come March for us.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, it'll be very fascinating to see what ends up
happening there. I did want to ask just one more
running back question, Cam Scattedby, what do you do with
a guy like this who has looked awesome, whose value
had risen a bunch and was very fued in just
one of these stories of the season, and then has
this not just an injury, but like a gruesome, tough

(20:22):
to watch injury that is out for the year. You know,
you have guys like Javonte Williams in the past who
get really excited about and then this injury affects them
for multiple years. It's obviously a different injury than what
Scattedy's going through. But because right now at RB twenty
in this ranking, I guess I'm just wondering, like what
the thought process is behind ranking a player like this
who has been so fun but as you know, a

(20:43):
rookie already has this gruesome injury.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think he probably would have been ranked right around
where we have quinch On Judkins right now, which is
running back ten in Dynasty. Just seems like that's fair.
Judkins another guy who's really impressed in his rookie season.
You've got to give Scataboo a little bit of a hit,
I guess for the injury unfortunately, because some guys just

(21:07):
you know, aren't quite the same and we've seen that
it's kind of taken Chris Godwin a long time to
come back from a similar injury, and he's dealing with
kind of a setback right now. But the way Camp
Scataboo is, you know, if anyone's going to like rehab
like a maniac to get back and be ahead of
schedule and everything, it's this guy. So hopefully he's ready

(21:29):
to go, if not at the start of the twenty
twenty six season, early in it. But yeah, just always
a hard guy. Always hard to triangulate the value of
someone like that when you have to factor in a
major injury like this to a guy who was on
a great trajectory.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Otherwise, I want to actually look at the top of
the wide receiver position here. Again, Normally I recognize that
these conversations are a little less helpful because people just
know that these guys are really good. Jackson Smith a
Jigba has jumped all the way up to wide receiver three,
and these are kings, and he's not far behind Jamar Chase.
His trade value is in eighty three. Puka' is a

(22:05):
seventy nine. JSN is a seventy eight, so he's not
even like far behind wide receiver one range. He's been
amazing this year, Like if not for Jonathan Taylor, you
could make a very compelling case that he should be
Offensive Player of the Year in the NFL. Huge breakout,
immediate chemistry with Sam Darnold, JSN has been awesome. Would
you really like you would, according to this chart, would

(22:27):
be willing to trade Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson straight
up to receive JSN. Is that how you feel?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Fits? It is how I feel now. I think we
have to consider Jackson Smith and Jigba in that elite tier,
Like it's not just a knee jerk reaction to a
really good start. He has I think the biggest target
share of any wide receiver in the NFL and is
like just his yards per run number. It's just ridiculous.

(22:58):
So some guys with a lot of volume like it
sort of affects their efficiency. They're not as efficient. And
a lot of times the high efficiency guys are the
guys who have lower target counts, like Kean Coleman last year,
who was like, you know, crazy double digit yards yards
per target and high yards peru run on not a
lot of routes, but like the high usage. This guy

(23:21):
just gets open so easily. He and Darnold have a
great connection. Like there's kind of no doubt in my
mind after what he has put on film this year
about how good Jackson Smith and Jigban. It's like, I
kind of feel the same way I feel about Puka
watching him, you know, just a guy like when puokahead

(23:44):
first burst onto the scene, there's always a little bit
of skepticism like, oh, is this going to keep up?
Is this going to keep up? And then you just
keep watching him and he does a week after week
after week. Well, jsn's kind of there.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's funny that you mentioned Puka because he's the other
guy I was going to bring up. I am the
low guy on Puoka in Dynasty and it is not
at all a reflection of him as a player when
he's on the field. I think you could argue he
should be number one as somebody who has rostered him
in multiple Dynasty leagues. I think there have been more
weeks where he leaves the game looking hurt than there
are where that doesn't happen, and I because the position

(24:20):
is so strong. There are these other elite names like JSN,
like Justin Jefferson, like Ceede, Lamb, like Amana, Saint Brown like.
It is very hard for me to put him at
number two ahead of the other kind of five names.
I think there's a pretty easy top six for me.
Maybe it would have been more if not for injuries
to like Moleak, Neighbors or whatever. For me, the top
six is Chase, Puka, Jasn, Jefferson, Lamb, Amenra. I would

(24:42):
have Pooka at the end of that, just because I
have the least confidence in his health because he has
actually missed time and it's always something different. It's not
like he has this one thing that is nagging that
if he ever gets over it, he's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
He is.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
He plays so recklessly, which is part of what makes
him fun to watch, and I respect him. He's extremely tough,
but it makes me so nervous that every single game,
this cornerstone of my Dynasty team is walking off to
feel grimacing, is getting blood wiped off his faces, going
into the to the X ray room to have actually
is done on his chest. It is always something. And

(25:16):
then you add in the fact that his quarterback could
retire any offseason here and who knows what that succession
plan looks like. You know, Sean McVay will probably figure
it out. But those two factors combined, like I would
just I would rather have the safety of another one
of these elite receivers instead of having Pooka ranked as
right now, he's not even tied. He is sitting alone

(25:37):
as wide receiver two in these rankings, and I just
can't get there. And I recognize that I'm the low
guy at Fantasy pros on Pooka and it is solely
because of health.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I totally understand that. And the quarterback thing you mentioned that,
like that maybe is a viable concern because this could
be the end for Matt Stafford after this year. So
totally get It's he when you play like a warrior,
some time you're gonna you're gonna fall on your sword,
I guess, And it happens to Puka sometimes, I understand.

(26:07):
But man like the production he gives you and Dynasty
leagues or tip typically full point PPR leagues, and man
in full point PPR just delivering the double digit catch
games left and right. I mean, he is just such
a weekly difference maker when he is in your lineup.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
No argument for me in the lineup. It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
But I get it. I totally get it, though.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, a lot of the receivers obviously, like it's like
Rashid Rice moves up a bunch. It's clear why he's
now back on the field and producing like a wide
receiver one. That's very obvious. He's up to wide receiver
nine in these rankings. You know, I don't I don't
know that A ton stands out to me as like,
oh that that's making me raise my eyebrows. Why do
you have this person here? I did want to ask
you about Travis Hunter. Not like there's any big changes here.

(26:52):
It looked like he was on the precipice of maybe
a second half of the rookie season breakout. He had
the best game of his career in that London game
against the Ram before the buye and then he goes
on IR late in the week before the weekend and
is now gone for you know, at least a few
more weeks. And you know, Lawrence continues to struggle in Jacksonville,
and it's He's a very interesting person to try and

(27:13):
I think wide receiver twenty six is probably wrong, but
I don't know which direction he should move in.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, so depressing that coming off that fourteen target, eight catch,
one hundred and one yard, one touchdown day against the
Rams in London. And maybe that was the product of
the game script that the Jaguars were in a big
hole had to chase all game. But it was just
fun to see Travis Hunter be really involved in the

(27:39):
Jacksonville passing game and I was looking forward to seeing
more of that to get a better handle on his
Dynasty value. And then a practice injury during the week,
so that was really depressing. Yeah, I mean, do you
feel like it's the right place to put him though?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Like right, yes, even though I don't think that's where
he ends up. I think it's a fair like placeholder
for him.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I agree, kind of a Daniel Jones type situation where
it could be a lot higher or a lot lower
than this. But I guess what encouraged me was the
commitment to using him at wide receiver recently, because you know,
my fear all along was that he was going to
not be playing the sort of snap shares that you
need to be a difference maker in fantasy, which was

(28:24):
kind of the case early in the season where he
was playing roughly two thirds of the offensive snaps in
every game, but the last couple of games, big uptick
in his offensive snap shares, and hopefully we get to
see a stretch run with him doing that where he
is primarily a wide receiver. Throw him in there in
dime packages if you want, fine on defense, but mostly

(28:47):
we want to see this guy wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Last question on receivers, are there any receivers on this
list that you would if if I made you pick
one that you think is going to move up the
most in value between now and the next time we
talk in the first week December.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Between now and December. That's an interesting one. I think
here's one. Jaden Reid. And this isn't just my Packer homrism,
but right now he's wide receiver fifty one for us
in dynasty. He's going to be coming off out of
I don't I think he is on IR. Yeah, so
he's going to be coming off IR really soon. The

(29:22):
Packers just lost Tucker Kraft to a season ending ACL injury.
Matthew Golden has a banged up shoulder like I think
Jaden Reid is going to be an important possession guy
for the Packers, and I think he might start stacking
some decent catch totals on a weekly basis, even though
Jayden Reid is a guy who hasn't always played full

(29:42):
offensive snaps in the past, but I do think he's
going to be a really key cog for the Packers
down the stretch. And I suspect he's going to be
top forty when we talk in another month, so that
would be an eleven spot move or more for him.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
We're going to talk about the tight ends here quickly,
and then we'll get into your questions from the audience.
These are coming in from Discord, so thanks everybody who
has raised their hand and started putting questions in the chat.
We will get to those as soon as we finish
our tight end conversation here. Fits I have I don't
think we've ever done one of these episodes where I
didn't say that the gap between Bowers and everybody else
isn't big enough. And I'm gonna say it again, the
gap between Bowers and everybody else isn't big enough. That's

(30:18):
a personal opinion of mine. I just like I and
I adore Train ming Bride and Tyler Warren's been amazing
and Tucker Crafts was incredible before getting her.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
The GAP's not big enough.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Brock Bowers is a legitimate difference maker and the only
tight end that I would take in the first round
of a startup draft, even if it wasn't tight end premium.
That's how good I think he is and how can
I think he's going to be for the next decade.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, Worm, you were not at the Fantasy Football Expo
this summer, but this was like, and this was more
of a redraft conversation in fairness, but I was arguing
with about six p It was like I was John
Wick at this bar, like fighting off the throngs, insisting
that brock Bowers was the tight end one, and everyone
was saying it was Training Bride, and I just couldn't

(31:01):
believe that when you watch those guys fight, Like, Trey
McBride is really good, but man like brock Powers is
just a different species. When he when he caught that
pass on the crosser and scored on that touchdown, he
was like a bullet train picking up speed when he
had the ball in his hands, Like this guy moves

(31:22):
differently than so many of the other guys who are
on the field with him.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
You were like the meme of I think it's from Tangled,
where the main male character is like sitting there and
all you know, you know, has his opinion and everybody
has the swords around him, and it's like this, yeah,
Like that's that was you sounds like at the XD
like like that should be a controversial opinion that brock
powers tight end one. Come on, yeah, elsewhere at tight end,

(31:48):
I mean Tuckercraft clearly, Like it's very different if you're
a win now team. But I think even with the injury,
he is cemented inside the top five and shouldn't move
down like he is. Like, if you are a not
a contending team this year, go trade for Tucker Craft,
like I saw I needed to see. He's just a
stud dynasty tight end moving forward. That it's a huge,

(32:09):
huge bummer that he's out for the rest of the season.
But I am just like over the moon about leagues
where I have him for the long term. Colson Loveland
doesn't change here. Obviously had his big game over this
past weekend. Maybe could be a second half breakout. We're
a month from now, he starts to look a lot higher.
We see it for rookie pass catchers all the time.
Usually you say rookie receivers. But you know, if he
becomes kind of this receiving tight end for Chicago here

(32:31):
in the second half of the season, I could see
him going up a bit.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Here.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Of course, the biggest mover at any position for US,
I think it is actually at quarterback, running back, receiver
or a tight end is Aronde Gadsten. He jumps up
to tight end six here, a thirty point value change.
He goes from I believe, let's see it was this
is a non tight end premium. He was at tight
end twenty five, twenty six maybe and he and yeah,

(32:58):
the value is at fifteen and so now his values
forty five, which puts him at tight end and six
and closer to tight end five than he is to
tight end seven. So just massively for Gadston, seemingly, very deservedly,
So no question marks for you about just a flukey
hot month, your believer that this is legit and he
is a top six tight end moving forward in Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, because there was a drumbeat of positive reporting about
him in training camp and Jim Harbaugh making some very
positive remarks about Gadsden and how impressive he was in
the summer, So I totally buy it. The one thing
that we thought was going to be tough for him
was the fact that he was playing on this team

(33:41):
with lad McConkie Keenan Allen, Quinton Johnston, and how is
he going to get targets when this team like has
you know, maybe the best tree all wide receivers in
the NFL. Well hasn't been a problem like he is
the problem for Quenton Johnston and Keenan Allen apparently because
like their target chairs have gone down since since Gadston

(34:02):
is the one knocks exactly. Yes, that's a good way
to put it. And by the way, I just saw
there was a poll on Twitter. One of the Dynasty
guys said who would you rather have for Dynasty and
it was between Tucker Craft, Ronda Gadsden, Colston Loveland, and
Harold Fannin. And last I checked, Tucker Craft was still

(34:25):
winning despite the knee injury. So it's still a lot
of positive vibes around him. But yeah, I mean, Gadsden,
We're in this This rookie tight end class, my goodness,
it's it's pretty terrific. Like Tyler Warren has slowed down
a bit lately, but man like he is going to
be a core tight end for years to come. Gadsden
looks great, Loveland is coming on. Fannon has been a

(34:47):
pleasant surprise, Mason Taylor contributing. Even Elijah Royo has looked
pretty good at times. So yeah, I mean everyone was
everyone was really excited about the running backs, but the
tight end class was really good too.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Five guys in the top sixteen in this chart, four
in the top thirteen, or sue me, six in the
top sixteen I'm sorry to that math and six in
the top sixteen. Five in the top thirteen and four
of the top nine are rookies. That's how much of
a position shake up we have seen with this rookie class.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So I would expect those will.

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let's get into our listener questions here. We've had some
folks with our hands raise. Let's start with some of
these questions in the chat. Move through some of them quickly.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
We'll start.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Then we'll start calling folks up onto the stages here.
Bunting says, fellas due to injuries to other content, feel
like I have a good shot this year. Who would
you be targeting, targeting and or buying low for a
playoff push with this roster? Light at running back, but
of three twenty twenty six seconds to deal and not
particularly a fan of Flowers, so down to send him

(36:13):
as well. I agree with you on that, I have
long been down on Flowers from a fantasy perspective. Should
I capitalize on Manongai or do you see him as
a swift era apparent? You can check out the roster
in the chat here just to read out some names
for some of the folks who are maybe listening on
audio only. It's names like Christian McCaffrey, Kyle Manungaimandre Stevenson
at running back, Buca Wattle Flowers, DJ Moore at receiver.

(36:36):
You know, looking at some of the names of the bench.
You know, Kean Coleman, Matthew Golden, Ceedee Lamb is on
buy this week.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's why he's on the bench.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Alec Pierce, So what do you think fits who are
maybe some good by low targets for a playoff push
with a roster like this. Knowing that he's got some seconds,
heeking deal.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, I mean this team does look pretty good. It's
a matter of do you want to do you want
to make a like a big move for a wide receiver.
He said he'd be willing to deal Za Flowers, like,
would you maybe consider packaging Jay Flowers and Kyle Manangai

(37:11):
for an upgrade to a more substantial receiver than Jay Flowers.
Someone may be a little more consistent wor so like,
I don't know, I'm I'm thinking Z plus Menoga I
might be able to upgrade to say, I don't know
if it does. Rashid Rice, would it do? Could you

(37:33):
get Drake London for j Flowers and Kyle Manangay? Probably not,
I would think No.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I would definitely do that if you could, I would.
The thing with trading Mananga is that he does have
a lot more depth at receiver than at running back.
So I would only want to do that if you're
getting like a real difference maker, like a Rice or London,
like you're throwing out there. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
just trained him for the sake of it. I would
be very willing to hold on to Manongai in Jaeneral

(38:00):
if you can make a legitimate difference making upgrade, I
would be willing to move him. But I wouldn't be
like desperate to just sell off just because he had
one really good week. I think there's going to be
more to come.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, it's always hard to ask about, you know, by
low targets, spunting or whatever, because it's always sort of
in dynasty it's all in the eye of the beholder.
And you know, I could throw names, but like they
might not be available to the teams that have them.
It might be if it's for I might say, someone

(38:32):
who's on kind of a win now team and isn't
really on the market, So I know, I like this
team though, like I know, you've got a lot of
good players on buy this week. But when you're when
you've got the bye weeks out of the way and
you're at full bore, like you're going to be able
to put out a pretty decent lineup, And uh, I
don't know, worm do we think Manonga has a chance

(38:53):
to kind of unseat DeAndre Swift here? Like he just
like I run so hard man.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I named manong Guy. Okay, I like Kyle Maanong Guy.
I would hesitate a little just because it was the
Bengals defense right this is there was the gift that
keeps on giving this season, So like, maybe dial back
a little bit. But I like Mananga the player. I
think it is possible that he unseats Swift at some point,

(39:21):
but I wouldn't be making moves assuming it's going to happen.
But like I said, having said that, I also don't
want to just get rid of him and sell high
unless you're really getting a major upgrade for somebody who
feels like this is happening and is desperate. But Swift
looked good the three weeks prior to getting hurt too,
So I don't want to just assume that this is
now Manonga's backfield, even though I do think it's on
the table that that ultimately happens.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, I'm with you there.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Let's go to a.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Question from cow Bell. He's wondering, and he shared his
roster here in the chat. Some of the names on
here at wide receiver, Keenan, Allen, Garrett Wilson, T Higgins,
save You're worthy. He's wondering if it makes sense with
this roster to trade a twenty twenty seven first for
Marvin Harrison junior. He's got Caleb and Burrow, who's hurt

(40:09):
for this year, of course, But so he's got Caleb
and Jones as the starters at quarterback right now, Kyrien
Kenneth Walker at running back. You know, he has scataboo
for the future, not for now. So if it's when
looking at this roster, would you move a twenty twenty
seven first for Marvin Harrison Junior, who's coming off a
nice game. But of course that's what Jacoby Brissett, he
is going to be the starter for now. Who knows

(40:30):
what the quarterback situation looks like long term.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, I I don't know that I would like. I
just I kind of do not want to give up
a lot of re tickets in the twenty twenty seven draft.
And as like, I like this team, but I gotta
imagine cow Bell that there are two to three teams
at least with better rosters in your league. So like,
I if this is kind of a and I know

(40:54):
Marvin Harrison Junior definitely has future value, but like, I
don't want to give up on the Jeremy Jeremiah Smith
lottery ticket or you know, I think I would rather
have Ryan Williams if I could get him out of
that draft, then Marvin Harrison Junior going forward, Like, Marvin
Harrison is good, and Jacoby Brissett is kind of helping

(41:15):
him live up to his promise, but I don't know.
I guess if he's kind of quarterback sensitive, well, that
could be a problem because I don't know if Brissett
is really going to be a long term answer for
the Cardinals here. And uh, you know, I like Harrison,
I just don't know if he warrants giving up a
first round pick in what could be one of the

(41:38):
best draft classes we've ever seen. I ultimately I agree
with you.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I don't think this roster is going to be in
the Jeremiah Smith sweepstakes because, like you think Burrow Scataboo
coming back next year. Guy like Trevon Henderson maybe gets
more used to year, it doesn't feel like he'll be
in the top you know, three picks there, so it
is probably a later pick. But it's such a good
when you have guys like Jeremiah Smith. What sometimes people
don't think about as much is like it's not just

(42:03):
that can you get a shot at a guy like Smith.
It's that because there's this generational guy, the other guys
that would normally be like regular top three picks are
now going with picks five, six, seven, right, Like it
moves everybody else down when you have these insane studs
at the top, and so the whole first round looks
better as a result. That happened with the twenty twenty

(42:24):
four class, where you know, you had these real studs
at the top, like you know, I know, as a
panout this way, but guys like Caleb Williams and Martin
Harrison Junior at the top, So then that pushes down
like you were getting Bowers with pick seven or a
you know you were getting Brian Thomas Junior and Lad McConkie,
and with picks eleven and twelve, it just pushes everybody
down when there's studs at the top. So it's even
if you're not in that range. Something to keep in mind.

(42:45):
A question here from Sean. My league is currently a
tight end Premium PPR. It's one point five for tight ends,
very top heavy. So the league is voted to go
to super flex Premium still PPR tight end premium. We're
allowed to keep three players and then go startup draft
from there. He's leaning towards Bijon, Chase and Bowers as
his three players that he's keeping. Wondering what we think.

(43:07):
So some of the other players he has here, Drake May,
Ashton Genty, Roma Dunza, Marvin Harrison Junior, Breese Hall. Obviously,
this is a very strong team, so he has lots
of options. Those are probably the only ones you're you're
considering in addition to the names he mentioned, So what
do you think fits? I mean, the fact that it's
going to super flex makes me think Drake May is
a must, but Bijon, Chase and Bowers are pretty darn

(43:30):
and excellent as well a normal team. I would say Genti, Adunza,
Harrison are also very worthy players to consider. You can't
even really consider them with how strong this is. My
initial reaction with this being super flex is I would
lock in Drake May and just not think twice about it.
As hard as is to give up one of these
three skill position guys and then just pick two of

(43:51):
the other three. My strategy is typically to not spend
on running backs, so I would probably go Chase and
then Bowers because it's side in premium. I'm super open
to pushback from you Fits if you'd rather keep Bijon
or mix it up. I think I think it's three
of those four. I think it's May and then the
three names he mentioned, and then that those those are
the ones you're picking from, So you got to cut one.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, Sean, as hard it as as it is to believe,
like Bijeon would be the guy who's getting thrown out
of the club for me in tight end premium, gotta
keep gotta keep ours. I know, I know it's amazing
that you have to make a tough choice like that,
but yeah, I mean, Drake May is just so good,
like a top five maybe top three quarterback long term

(44:35):
in super Flex, I just that's too value a property
to let go of. Bijon is awesome, Like there are
no knits to pick on any of these guys you're
you're choosing from. You've got basically the best guy at
every position.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And what's funny is like, well, I'm not even sure
of like like I would I would say, like I
would say, you have so many good guys, like maybe
you try and trade for somebody else, but you're not
going to upgrade on these guys because they number one
at their.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Position, right right, So yeah, that's it exactly. You can't
possibly even if you did it two for one, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Maybe like Bijeon and Drake May for Josh Allen, Like,
I mean, I don't know what you could do.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Right, right, So I would leave Bijon out because I
do think it's the easiest to build depth at running
back just sort of you know, through the draft, trading whatever.
But it's really hard to find a franchise quarterback like
Drake May.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think I think I would be picking And I
don't know, Sean, if you've done super flex elsewhere before,
or if this is the first time you're doing it.
Is it is really hard to get quarterbacks and super
flex like that is nobody's ever willing to trade them.
So like if you have an elite guy, I would
just go ahead and keep them.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think I'd be picking between Jon and Chase.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Like like to me, May and Bowers would actually be
my top two choices because it's side in premium. To me,
it's Bjeon and Chase, and I would just rather have Chase.
So you're in a good position. You can't make the
wrong decision here. Another question you're from Bunting, Who are
we buying or selling based on trade day hype seemed
like mostly defense this year. Underwhelming deadline for fantasy Obviously
we had Rashid heat on the move today fits we

(46:06):
had Ady Mitchell. Maybe if you're a believer in a
bilo with some more opportunity in New York, we had
Jacoby Myers obviously was moved to the Jags. Opportunity there
with Hunter on ir and Brian Thomas Junior a little
banged up and underperforming any any value that you find, Like,
like Bunting said, either buying or selling based on some
of the deadline moves today.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I mean I think Mitchell. Ady Mitchell is a
guy I'm kind of curious in because he was sort
of buried with Indie. He's just such a physical freak.
Oddly enough, that play where he sort of got into
the doghouse for and like he wasn't even kind of
showboating at the goal line like a Muri de Marcato

(46:47):
was in the against the Titans in that game. It
seemed like maybe he was, but it seemed like he
was just trying to inexplicably switch hand the ball from
one hand to another right before the goal line. But
like that whole play was fantastic, like the catch and
the run after. This guy's a physical freak and I
kind of want to invest in a guy like that.
And now he's going to a team where like the

(47:07):
only other credible roster, credible wide receiver on the roster
is Garrett Wilson, and so like that's almost ideal. You've
got like one receiver who's going to command all the
defensive attention and like you can just settle in as
the other receiver. And I'm very intrigued by Ady Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I am, I am somewhat intrigued in the idea of
if he's I'll say you trade for on a very
low cost, or if for some reason he was dropped,
just depending on the size of your league. I'm interested
in going after Tory Horton in anticipation of people being
less excited about him because of the Rashid Shih'd trade.

(47:46):
I would still be interested in trying to get Tory
Horton on the cheap.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah. I like that idea too. Yeah, I know that
sort of throws cold water on what we thought could
be a nice opportunity for Tory Horton. And now he's
going to be like a three or four once Shaheed
is settled in and Cooper Cup comes back. But Horton
has shown us something I think like he belongs for sure,
and he's gonna talk about a place for himself. So

(48:11):
I agree, you could probably get him pretty cheaply after
today fits.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Let's speed through the rest of these chat questions, then
call a couple of folks up on stages and get
out of here. One of these questions here in the chat,
I traded Jmo for Shaheed pre trade news, How how
did I do?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Trying to think of how I feel about this one worm,
Like I feel like Jamo, Jamo got the coach speak
like you know from John Morton the Lions. Oh see,
I failed him. I filled him and then immediately as
like sixty six yards and a touchdown the next game.
Like I just.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'd rather have James D. Williams like I got this trade.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, I kind of think I would too, t dub
Like not a big gap there, but just you know,
Jamo is still young. I know he's kind of a
knucklehead and like there it's been kind of a roller
coaster ride with him. I get it and wanting to
get out from under that. But I think there's maybe
a little more upside with Jmo mans A. Really he's
a really underrated player though, Like I don't wanna, I

(49:13):
don't wanna dump on him, Like it's it's close.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, mana Mitch asks, speaking of the Jaguars when we
talked mentioned them earlier, what would be fair to ask
for shopping Way Parker Washington.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Probably not a lot A third twenty twenty six third.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
If you can get a third, take it, you're not
gonna get more than that.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, he's interesting. I mean, he could be a useful
PPR guy. It just depends where he eventually.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I mean, maybe you find a team that a manager
that's had some injuries at the receiver position and could
really use the help. But yeah, I wouldn't set your
sights too high and get your hopes up for anything
crazy there. Bunting asked, would you guys do Flowers in
a second for Nico even with Stroud hurt?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I would. I would trade Flowers go.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I would too.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I like that better long term. I think you may
even make an argument that it'll be better this year.
Like again, I've said this a whole bunch. Flowers is
a great real life player, and I get that he
is going to get a lot of usage, but it's
a high target share in a low volume passing game,
and he does not get red zone work. Save Flowers,
I would be surprised if he has more than one

(50:24):
season in his career with ten plus touchdowns. And I
don't even think he gets that ever. Like, I just
really do not think he's ever going to be a
touchdown guy, and that is going to limit his ceiling.
So yes, I love I love the idea of Flowers
in his Psychophnico, even with Stroud's injury from MO. Would
you guys trade away Twoton and a twenty six early
mid first for a chan full PPR. I think I would. Yes, Yeah,

(50:48):
I've been lower on eight Chan than you fits, but
I would still do this, So I'm sure you will.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, And I'm more than willing to trade away twenty
twenty six first for.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Really good full PPR. This is really this is extra appealing.
Last question the chat here from a dub. Then we'll
get to the folks to call him up on stages.
He asks, would you try to find a trade partner
for elite players like Josh Allen if you're in rebuild
mode or maybe Flowers, who I'm lower on just trying
to properly rebuild. You can take a look at his
team in the chat. I wonder if okay, so he's

(51:20):
saying to trade away out all right? I had missed, right,
I was. I thought he had meant to trade for
them as a rebuilder. Yes, Alan is maybe a little
different because in super Flex like that's the number one
pick in a startup like I think I would just
keep him even rebuilding a guy like Flowers if you
can get good value back, I am definitely happy to
trade as a rebuilding team, even though it's not like
he's that old, you know, looking at the rest of

(51:41):
the team, like it's mostly younger guys anyway, So I
think you've, you know, not that there's a ton of
depth on this team yet you have a way to go.
This is a rebuilding team. But you got some pieces
like o Marion Hampton. You know, obviously Josh Allen is
gonna be good for a while. Aronda Gadston looks good.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
So I think a.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Guy like Flowers I would look to trade off this
roster p Checko. I would look to trade as a
running back needy team once he gets healthy again. I
probably wouldn't do it this week obviously, and beyond that,
you know, like just kind of get some draft picks
where you can here and there to take some extra things.
I probably would not trade Allan. I would, yeah, yeah,
I would not trade Allen.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
You what do you think fits?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, there's some good young
pieces here. But if you trade away Josh Allen, you
are really down to the tear down. You're tearing it
down to the studs. There's nothing left. And by the
time you get even to the point where you can
be competitive with this team a dub like those young
guys are not going to be as young anymore and
they're going to be like in their prime, and you know,

(52:35):
you may or may not still have a contender. So
Allan is such a key engine in a super flex thing,
like I'd try to do it without getting rid of him.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And also the twenty twenty six class doesn't look that strong,
so like getting a first round pick there from a contender.
There will be good players, but it's not like this is,
you know, the twenty twenty seven class we're talking about
where you think there's going to be a budget of
cornerstone pieces. So since part of that deal in return
I'm sure would be a twenty twenty six pick, that
makes it even a little less exciting to me. So yeah,

(53:07):
I would. I would not do that personally. Last one
in the chat. Then we'll call up these names, Jefferson
in a twenty twenty six third for London and Bucky Irving.
What do you think about that deal?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, I'll take the London Bucky side of that. Yeah,
I like Jefferson clearly better than London, Yes, but like
Bucky twenty twenty six third is ye zero and like
Bucky more than bridges the gap for me, let's Jefferson
in London.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, and we still don't really know what the passing
game is going to look like for Minnesota long term.
Like I know, JJ McCarthy's coming off this good game
that everybody's excited about because he got three touchdowns, he's
still threw for under one hundred and sixty passing yard.
It's like, I don't know what this is going to
look like long term yet. I'm not saying it's gonna
be bad, but that is a question mark. So yeah,
I would make that trade. Yeah, all right, let's call
up some folks on stages and then we'll get out
of here.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Let's see calling up herbs and cheese.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Hey guys, So I just dropped my team in the chat.
Have a team that looks like probably the second or
best team in this ten team league, trying to decide
what to do for the season with trying to give
up a draft pick. I have one of the teams
that looks like it's going to be the third or
fourth overall pick this year. So I'm trying to shop
that but not getting great value out of that. Would

(54:21):
someone like Javonte Williams be high enough upgrade to give
up the top three pick possibly, or would you kind
of write it out or maybe a couple of thirds
for like a Jalen Warren type instead of the top
pick for a Javante. Looking at a.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Team like that, I'd rather go the Jalen Warren approach,
and boy, this team Herbs looks fantastic, Like this is
a really well put together team. So yeah, I mean,
I I mean, you could make a case that Jalen
Warren is like nearly as valuable as Javante, Like I

(54:56):
don't think it's a huge gap between them in the
here and I just even though I'm not crazy about
the twenty twenty six draft.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Top three or four, like that's gonna be you know,
Jordan Tyson or Carnel Tate or whoever Kidi one is, Like,
there will be some names there that I would probably
not want to give up on for somebody like Javante.
If it was like, hey, this is probably going to
be like the eleventh or twelfth pick in the draft,
and I'm stacked except for RB two as the last

(55:30):
position I need, and there's a little more desperation, I
might be willing to move a first for Javonte, but
I probably wouldn't for a pick that high, especially when
you know you there's not as much of a need,
right Like you have Kenneth Walker on this team, you
have Chase Brown on this team. It's not like you
are absolutely scraping the bottom of the barrel already. I
do like the idea of adding somebody. So if you

(55:51):
could add somebody like Warren for a couple of lower picks,
I do like that a lot. Javonte like for a
pick that high, I just probably can't quite get there.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yep, I'm with you on that, gotcha.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
So would you like I have twenty six, I have
two thirds and another second from another team, So would
you be willing to do like a second and two
thirds for type war and or is that too much?
I'm not having gone asking to see what the manager
wants for it. But if push came to shove, would
that be overpay for you to give up second and
two thirds?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Or I would do it. You're so deep that I
don't think you're going to miss the picks that much.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I offer a second and one third and then say,
you know, if he says no, say well, what if
I threw in another third to give you three picks total?
Like maybe start off just like with two of those
picks and then throw in the third to try and
get over the top. Would be my strategy, But yeah,
I would ultimately if he insisted on it, I'd be
willing to do all three picks same.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
I got one other quick one, let the other guy
come up. So different team, another dynasty league. I've been
waiting it out with Nashion Gent as my RB one,
so finally had a good week this week, but I'm
still I'm in the last playoff spot right now there.
Do you trust rest of season Gent? Or would you
be willing to move off too late? First twenty six?

(57:12):
So I was thinking about possibly offering one or two
of those in Gent for like a Jamior Gibbs, like
one of the elite of the elite guys for the
current season. Do you believe in Gent rest of season
or if I'm going to make a run, would you
be trying to package him for one of the really
top tier guys.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
If you're just holding on to the last playoff spot, Like,
I don't know if i'd want to give up genty
and of twenty twenty six. First, you know what I
mean to get Gibbs, Like, that's kind of a sellout
move for a title and if you're just like kind
of fighting to make the playoffs. Plus, like you can't
role out like a gent run down the stretch here.

(57:50):
I know the offensive line is probably not where we
want it to be quite yet, especially with Colton Miller hurt.
But man, don't you think that seems like a little
a little too much worm for maybe a team that's
not like so your other team. I mean, like that team,
Like if Gibbs was like the final piece, I would

(58:11):
be like, yeah, I do it, because you know what, like,
this team is absolutely a title winner if you get
that final piece and I have Jamior Gibbs at that
last spot. But for a team that's just barely getting
into the playoffs, I don't think I want to make
that move.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, I would say, Like there are most of the
running backs in the NFL, barring injury, there's no way
they finished the rest of the season higher than you know,
scoring more Fantasy points than Gibbs. Jentty is one of
the few that, while he's not ranked that way, our
jaws would not be on the floor if he outscored
Gibbs rest of season, like he is that good and
just hasn't quite had that you know, full on breakout

(58:47):
into like, you know, mega elite status yet. I did
a show earlier today with Andrew Rickson. It's a redraft show,
but it was talking buys and sells, and one of
his two favorite running backs to buy right now is
Ashton Gent. You know, second half of the season as
a rookie is something he likes to target. The playoff
schedule is very enticing for Ashon Genty this year in

(59:08):
terms of the defenses against running backs. So Ericson was like,
really big on Genty in the second half anyway, if
it was like Genty in a second, you know, Gibbs
is that good? That sure, but Genty in a first
does feel like a lot. And there's a world where
Genty outscores him this year anyway, with Montgomery still there
and everything, So I would probably lean again. I don't
think it's crazy, but I would lean.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I would lean.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
No, got it, Thanks guys, co pets.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
All right, we will bring up Ruck and then we
will get out of here. It looks like he dropped
his team in the chat.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Yeah, it just popped in the chat. So I'm in
this position, and actually speaking of Ericson, I'm in this
league with Andrew Erickson, Elvin Ryan, a couple of the
other analysts. As you can tell, it's a so it's
the super Flex IDP League. Teams are pretty deep. Actually
in a couple of trade talks now, with my running

(01:00:02):
back situation, I've been I've been able to survive without
Hampton as my RB two. I got Vijon and Hampton
and my wide receiver situation, I'm feeling really good on
I'm making a push for this year. I'm in win
now with Pooka, Rice London, Harrison Junior in a lave
and I was actually gonna try and cash in on

(01:00:22):
Craft after this week, but with the injury, I'm not
sure how much I can get for him. Anyway, the
question here, I'm not going to make a push. I'm
selling draft capital. I'm trying to get into the upper
echelon of the QB tier for super Flex and or
you know, try and move like you know Harrison Junior,

(01:00:45):
and you know, however many picks it takes to get
a guy like like JSN just really top off the
roster for a guy like Drake May. And then in
this league where I know I'm gonna have to overpay,
you know, based on just who's in it and what
qubs mean and super flex, where should I be, Like,

(01:01:06):
I know I'm gonna have to overpay? What do you
think too much is in terms of my like my
draft capital, I'd love to hold on A twenty twenty seven,
but I know that my twenty twenty seven picks are
probably a little more about these guys and I you know,
I'd ideally like to move Harrison, O Lave or Johnston.
I feel like they have, you know, maybe some some

(01:01:27):
good potential sell high value right now, what do you
guys think?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I think you would probably have to give up twenty
twenty six first, twenty twenty seven first and more juice
to get Drake May. Maybe those two who were some
of the other guys who were talking about not Marvin
Harrison Junior. That might be too much. Ve those picks
A lave like to first plus a lave like It's
gonna take a lot to get May. I guess I

(01:01:53):
would be if I were you, I might be me.
I mean, I know, May could be like a a
decisive blow, but I'd almost be looking to go for
someone more like Baker Mayfield, who I would have to
pay less for. And could you get you to the
Promised Land this year? You know what I mean? So
is a consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
It looks like he doesn't have a twenty twenty six
first based on this screenshot, so if you're moving a first,
it would have to be twenty twenty seven, or if
somebody was willing to wait till twenty twenty eight. So
that does complicate things trying to get a quarterback in Superflex.
At least try to get a good one. I agree
with you that that feels like the that's the spot
to attack right like it's a It's a pretty strong

(01:02:34):
roster everywhere else clearly, And if you could, if you
could slot Jordan Love as your QB two instead of
your QB one, that looks a lot better. But without
that twenty twenty six first, if you really want to
hold onto the twenty twenty seven first, you just have
to set your site's lower or be willing to pay
more out of current players as opposed to draft capital.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
What about Mayfield and just spitballing or something like Mayfield
and JSN for a twenty twenty seven first in Tucker Craft.
How would you feel about that? Worm? Do you think
it's balanced?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I'd rather have the JSN side if you could do
it with Mayfield.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, but like for a rebuilder, that's pretty I know
you're getting rid of JSN, but Craft and twenty twenty
seven first, Yeah, maybe that's not enough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Maybe that's funnily enough. The Mayfield owner also owns JSN,
but he also has Tyler Warrens, so that's he's feeling
pretty strong there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
And then actually Ericson is the one that has Drake
may in the league. I do have a lot of
stockpile of Yeah, probably not getting ringing it out of
his hands. The uh just based on what I've heard
from so far. Yeah, the Mayfield owner has Kate is
sitting on Caleb Williams Mayfield, but and Bo Nicks with
not not too much of a bench behind him. That's

(01:03:58):
the thing is is the top end of this league
has like Lamar Jackson and then a bunch of Jags
and then Josh Allen and then a bunch of Jags.
Like nobody really has a solid Oh they're swimming in
QBS except for the Mayfield owner.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Did I miss it or did you have your two
qbs right now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
You have dak Oh I missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I totally missed out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, because he's on Bay, I wasn't highlighted. I wrote
it right over.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Okay, so that's better than I thought. I thought it
was Love and Panix as the two Dax. It would
be nice to upgrade, but that is more tenable than
I had realized, too, So maybe not as desperate to
get that one spot upgraded.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, I would almost prioritize getting that last hammer at
wide receiver and getting like JSN. And plus obviously JSN
has immense future value too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
So in that regard, like like JSN, I know with
the Shaheed News a lave has a little bit of
a bump, but I'm not sure that that gets done
with him. I'd probably be offering, you know, somewhere closer
to Marv or even even like one of my top
guys like London, and then like a second or third

(01:05:12):
do it? Would you, guys Whilch? If I was to
offer like Marvin a second or Marvin at twenty twenty
eight first for JSN, are you he is in a
in a rebuilding position. Would you take that if you're
the JSN manager, I would not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I probably wouldn't take it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I don't think it's the worst idea depending on who
the manager is to offer it and see what their
interest is and maybe they tell you, hey, that's really close.
Something else gets it over the top. If they're a rebuilder,
like obviously they don't want to move off JSN, but
getting up in an extra first rounder is not the worst.
Like like I would, I would say no to that
if I was that manager, But maybe not the worst

(01:05:50):
idea just to offer and get a conversation starter, or
do you think it's like insulting offer fits and you
wouldn't even bother?

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
If if you threw Tucker Craft into that, I think
I would have least have my attention like I would,
It would be a pretty quick no for me. If
it was just Marvin Harrison in the twenty twenty eight
first I like JSN too much. You threw Kraft into it,
I'd have to at least think about it, all right, Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
All right, so I'll eye up that like that value
range for this software for pushing over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Thanks guys, no problem, Thanks for us Rock all right, Fits,
we went a little long, as we seemingly always do
what we only do this once a month, so it's
not a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
We will get out of here on that though.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
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tuning in and listening and raising their hands to come
up on stages and throwing their questions in the chat,
all that great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
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