Post-NFL Combine Rookie Dynasty Rankings (Ep. 304)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmly joined by Pat fits Morris and by
Scott Bogman. We are talking some post NFL Combine Dynasty
rookie rankings. We will talk a little bit about how
some of these guys go aheadhead against other positions, but
we're mainly going to be going position by position here,
so looking at the rookie quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, and

(00:26):
tight ends and seeing kind of how guys have risen, fallen,
stayed the same coming out of the combine. Here, now
that we're really fully into March and the Dynasty Rookie
rookie season, a quick reminder for everybody that all of
our twenty twenty six consensus rankings and tiers can be
found at Fantasypros dot com slash rankings. From there you
can navigate to the Dynasty rankings as well. Also, I

(00:49):
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(01:09):
fine Thursday morning? For me afternoon?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
For you doing great? You're driving people to our YouTube channel.
The only thing that might discourage them is that they
have to look at my face, especially since we've had
a let's say, sick dog the last couple of nights,
who I have had to be outside with like three
times in the middle of the night. So like if
the bags under my eyes are bigger and darker than usual,

(01:34):
that would explain it.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I have been there many times. My dog is wonderful.
He has really only two flaws, and one of those
flaws is a weak's stomach, so I have been there
on more than one occasion.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
My cats don't have to go outside, so.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I'm jealous.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm not often jealous of cat owners. Now. I don't
hate cats. I just have been on a dog guy
my whole life, but that I love.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I have both.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I have dogs and cats, so but the dogs are
my family members and the cat is mine.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
So all right, Fitz, do you want to take thirty
seconds of brag about the Wisconsin Maryland game here.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I could do that. I think we knew how
that was going to work out. Not a great year
for Maryland basketball, the rare year that they are a doormat.
So I guess I got to get my bragging rights
in while I can worm. So I don't think anyone.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Rare in the Buzz Williams era. Is how we were
joking about this before he started taping the show, and.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
The language is way different. Now.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Let's just say I could do a full hour of
an unfiltered, uncensored show on my feelings on Buzz Williams,
just so people know.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
For the record, Wisconsin beat Maryland by about thirty last
night at Wisconsin's Senior Night. And the only senior I
think for the Badgers was the coach's son, who's like,
I'm not sure if he's a walk on our scholarship player,
but he never plays. He played any sank a long
three pointer with on or a minute in the place
was up for grabs. Like listen, a kid who has
literally grown up with Wisconsin basketball, so kind of cool

(03:08):
to see.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Let me let me just share one stat to explain
how bad it is for Maryland. Maryland this century has
ten thirty point losses, five of them are this season.
That's kind of wow.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
God.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
There's something else we want hit on before the Dynasty
Rookie rankings, and that is there was a really big
trade in the NFL just this morning, Dj Moore going
from the Bears to the Bills. I believe it was
Dj Moore and a fifth in return for a second
from the Buffalo Bills. Obviously, we're focused on the rookies today,
so we want to just hit this at the top
of the show because it doesn't really makes sense to
work it in to the rankings later. But I mean,

(03:46):
Josh Allen gets his sort of a number one receiver.
I mean he's been that at times in the past.
A guy who has played with Joe Brady before when
they were in Carolina and had some really good seasons
with Joe Brady, Collin plays with Dj Moore. It was
up room for fits his favorite Dynasty asset I think
in the entire league, Luther Burden to have more opportunity

(04:07):
in Chicago. Just a really interesting trade from both Dynasty
and redraft perspective all the way around.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Fits brilliant segue by you bringing up Maryland basketball and
then going to a Maryland player, DJ Moore, So maybe
the rare trade that seems like it's got far more
winners than losers as a result of this. I think
this is good for all of the Bears pass catchers
because it declutters the target situation in Chicago. Now it's

(04:32):
a pretty clear three way with Romo Dunes, Colston Loveland,
Luther Burden. That's great. It was messy when DJ Moore
was there too great for DJ Moore, I don't think
he and there was a weird lack of chemistry. I
thought like it got a little better last year, but
it seemed like DJ Moore and Caleb Williams were never

(04:53):
quite on the same page. So fresh start for DJ
Moore with Josh Allen and as you mentioned, the Joe
Brady connection, and seems like we're probably gonna get a
better year out of DJ more than we've gotten in
the last two seasons. I guess the losers are maybe
Khalil Shakir and k well Keon Coleman. I mean, we

(05:14):
that was already a loser. The writing was on the
wall there. Maybe Dalton Kinka to a small degree, but
you know, obviously helps Josh Allen. So yeah, I mean
it's winners all around. I suppose if you win a
Galaxy brain it, maybe this could hurt the Chicago pass
catchers and Caleb Williams in that now they have extra
amo to improve their defense and won't be in quite

(05:35):
as many shootouts. But yeah, I'm not going to go
that far. I do wonder I do wonder if the
Bears use that extra pick as part of their ammunition
to go and get Max Crosby now.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
One hund Yeah, yeah, I think that's a big reason
why they made this trade is to get more assets
to try to go get Crosby. I still, I mean,
they seem pretty staunched that they don't want to trade
him the Raiders, So but I do think this is,
like you said, FITSI for fantasy.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
This is great for everybody.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's a good boost for Burden, it's a nice boost
for Loveland to see more targets, for Roma Dunes to
see more targets as well. Finally gets Josh Allen at
number one should free up some things for Shakir. So
maybe he takes some targets away from him, but he
should be more open now. So yeah, this is one
of those trades that I think in the fantasy world
benefits pretty much everybody.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Obviously, you can't really get much higher in the rankings
than josh Allen is. But do you guys think this
does actually help him in terms of just what he
will be as a fantasy quarter. I mean, he's really
benefited from a Maryland Terrapins receiver in the past. He
took his big step forward when they acquired Stefan Diggs
all those years ago. Now they get another terp for
him to throw to. Is this a needle mover for him?

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Even if in the rankings he can't really get much
higher Bagmann needle mover? I don't know if I would say,
because like you said, I don't know if he can
go much higher. But it has to be better for him,
right Like you have a premier wide receiver now and
who is clearly better than the rest of the guys
on this team, and he should make everybody better by default.
So yeah, I think it just does have to improve

(07:07):
josh An a little bit, maybe not move the needle,
but it definitely it cannot hurt him.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't think they're done either. I wouldn't be surprised
if they took a day two receiver, a Chris Brazl type,
and you know, added so he'll have probably two new
pass catchers. Add those guys onto Shakir and Kincaid, and
you've now you're starting to cook. Like he has been
grossly undermanned as far as pass catchers, and now they're

(07:32):
finally starting to rectify that. Brandon Bean though kind of like,
was this kind of an overpay for the Bills you
think they got They got a fifth thrown pick back,
but they sent a late second, so not quite a
top fifty pick, but close.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think probably, like I would classify it as an overpay,
and also like this class is a little weaker, but
that seems to be I know, Daniel Jeremiah was saying
that this kind of range, that late second is sort
of the sweet spot of the draft in his opinion,
So like, even if the draft overall is kind of down,
there are still picks that are gonna net good players
here that they're getting rid of. I think I think
maybe an overpay, But like I'm a big believer that

(08:10):
and this applies to both Dynasty and and the NFL
that people are too focused on like winning the pure
value of the trade and not about just like what
makes your team better, Like this makes the team better,
This helps the most important person in the entire organization,
of Josh Allen. I think if they also take like
a receiver in the first round, I'd be super on
board with that and just say, hey, let's double down
on this and this really make sure this is not

(08:33):
just no longer a weakness but now a strength. I'm
fine with an overpay. You have to overpay to get
good receivers, and that's it. You can debate if DJ
more is that at this point, but yeah, Bob, you
have to overpay if you want to get a guy
like this.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
How many teams have been trying to get a number
two for a long time that I know the Steelers
have been trying to do it. They tried to trade
for Ayuk, they tried to trade for Brian Thomas. They
tried to trade for so many guys last season, and
it's just the asking price was too much. So I
think it kind of got to the point where you're
just gonna have to overpay. So go ahead and do
it and get it done. And like Worm said, make

(09:04):
it a strength where it was weakness.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's a philosophical question if overpaying is what market value is,
is it still an overpay? If that's just what we're going.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Process like that, I mean, I think it still can
be just from you know, where you stand, and in
you know, three years, we're going to look back at
this trade. The Bills will not care what they paid
if they want a super Bowl. They will not care
at all what they paid if they want a Super Bowl.
So maybe an overpay, but a necessary.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
One I think in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Anyway, all right, let's get to the rookie rankings here.
We're gonna go a position by position, like I said,
and then kind of throughout sprinkling our thoughts and where
some of these names fit kind of in the larger
scheme of overall rankings. We also are going to be
doing a super flex rookie mock next week, so that
will also kind of help shape how we see as
the order of these guys going against each other, so
be able to look out for that one coming next week.

(09:54):
Quarterbacks are really easy. One at the top of Fernanda Mendoza.
Obviously no reason for that to have changed post combine.
He was the number one pick. He is the number
one pick. This will not change it's as much of
an obvious favorite as it's been in a while, so
I don't even think we should waste any time here. Like,
if you guys want to talk about him, you can,
But like he, I mean, I guess the only real
question is like him versus Love in rookie drafts, Like

(10:17):
you know, in a super flex rookie draft, if Love
did enough to say like he would supplant him even
in that format. But like amongst the quarterbacks, there's nothing
to talk about here.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Fits agreed number one with the bullets and probably the
obvious one oh two. Like I understand that people are
over the moon about Love, who is one of the
better prospects to have come out in recent years. How
you order him with b Jean Robinson, Ashton gent Saquon
Barkley if you want to go back a little further,
totally up for debate. But he is, if not in

(10:48):
that category, just right on the cusp of event. So
I get why that Love is the consensus one on
one even in super flex.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Bog Man, any thoughts on Mendoza, can we get to
QP two here?

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's Love all the way, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Loveloy for you. Mendoz at the top of quarterback. The
rest of the quarterbacks here, Ty Simpson, like I would say,
is the consensus QB two. It's not that people tend
to feel strongly about it from what I can tell,
It's just he's the name that most commonly is coming
up in that spot. For you, Bogman, I mean, first
of all, you guys both do have Ty Simpson as
your QB two as well. Do you see a case

(11:23):
for ty Simpson to be a first round quarterback or
is this just like he's only getting talked about there
because of the nature of the class, Like if it's
possible for you to set aside the context of this
being such a weak class at the position, does he
feel like somebody that is worth taking a swing on
in the first a la like Jackndarty year ago, if
you know, somebody trading into the lake first something like that.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
No, I don't think he is, but I think he
will be taken in the first round because you said
it's just a lack of choices, right, and there's not
a lot of good quarterbacks as free agents. There's one,
it's Malik Willis. He already has strong ties to the Cardinals.
The Jets would overpay, you know, so I just I

(12:05):
think for teams that are desperate for a quarterback, yes,
Ty Simpson is probably gonna go, but I don't think
he should. He would be a second round pick to
me if I were a GM and this class is
pretty weak at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Wait can I can I interject though with that, Like,
I'm not as sure he is a first round as
you are, Bagman, because like, do you wanna do you
want to commit to him? And if you're taking him
in the first round, it's kind of a commitment or
do you want to sort of punt the quarterback position,
kick the can down the road to year till next
year when it looks like and I know we we

(12:39):
thought this year's quarterback class was going to be good.
As some people pointed out to me on Twitter, I
don't think that means next year's class is going to
be bad, right. A lot of these guys opted to
stay in school, like we've got you know, Dante More obviously,
Leonora's sellers, Yeah, Leonora's sellers, Trinidad Chambless wanting to go back,
and then alongside some of these and like Darien Mensa,

(13:01):
who I guess technically was eligible this year, but then
there's some pretty exciting guys Julian saying, and so it's
a really good class, is my point. And I don't
know if you want to really hit your wagon too
ty Simpson with a first round pick when you might
have a dozen half a dozen worthy first round quarterbacks

(13:22):
next year.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I agree with you, and I think that it shouldn't happen,
but I think it just always does, right, like just
some team decides that ty Simpson is their.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Guy and they know.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
I think the real reason is is because you get
that extra year of control with a quarterback if you
trade back into like the end of the first So
I could see somebody trying to trade up into the
back of the first round just to try to get
that extra year for Tysimpson, which would technically make him
a first round pick.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I don't think he should go there.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't think any of these guys outside of Mendoza
are worthy of a first round pick, And I think
midway through the second is where I would even start
considering them against the rest of the board. And the
rest of the board isn't backbraat, you know, as compared
to a lot of other draft classes. So I think
there's a lot of good clipboard holders here. There's a
lot of guys with experience that could come in and

(14:14):
you know, save you for a game, save you for
two games, something like that, But a long term starters.
I just don't know that we have a lot here.
So let me ask you guys this. Then, on Simpson,
where is he going in rookie drafts for you?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Overall? If he is a first round pick, let's say,
like in the twenties somewhere, Versus if he's a second
round pick, how much will your ranking of him in
terms of an overall big board of rookies in this
class change based on the draft capital that he gets
day one versus Day two.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Bogman, I mean, I have him at twenty four in
a one QB draft, so I would probably get him
up to like.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Let's think at super flex, there's gonna be any interest
for him? Yeah, super flex? Where is if he's a
first rounder? Where is he If he's I'm.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Gonna put him in fourteen or so, He's a second
rounder to me in most drafts, And that's what that's
If he is a first round pick. Yeah, if he's
a first round pick, and I'll consider him kind of
the same if he's you know, in that Jackson Dart
to Tyler Schuck range. I don't think I'll change him,
so he'd have to go much higher for me to
move him higher, or much lower for me to bury him.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
What do you think fits? What kind of difference would
it be for you first round versus second round?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Right now, I've got him at eleven. I don't think
I'm going to move him any higher than that, and
I might drop him a little bit if he goes
in the second round. But me having him at eleven
is more how I feel about the class in general
than it is about me really liking ty Simpson.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You guys have the same QB three, the same QB four,
the same QB five, and the same QB six. It
does differ a little bit with ECR QB three you
have Garrett nuss Meyer QB four, you both have Carson
Beck QB five, you both have Cole Payton out of
North Dakota State, and QB six you both Haveland Green,
who stands out most of that group. I don't think
we need to deep dive these guys, I mean, obviously

(16:05):
beyond like we don't even like Simpson, let alone the
guys coming after. You know, we're not very high on
nor do we expect any kind of interesting draft capital
in the NFL draft. But fits when I throw those
names out in Us Meyer, Beck, Peyton Green, who stands
out to you as worth talking about.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I mean, I don't think nuss Meyer and Becker that
interesting because I see them as like, you know, future
maybe longer term backups who maybe get a chance to
start at some point. But I think the interesting guys
are Peyton and Green because these guys are athletic freaks,
really wildly athletic guys. And I think with Green, who

(16:43):
was just man, this guy tested like a what did
he run at the combine?

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean it was like a four to three six.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, and he did this at six six and two
hundred and twenty seven pounds. So but then again with
Taylor Green, I mean we could all so see him
possibly take the Logan Thomas path in the NFL. Logan
Thomas was what bugs was he? He was Virginia Tech,

(17:10):
right or was it West Virginia Virginia techot Tech, tall, big,
hyper athletic quarterback prospect who eventually moved to tight end
and like didn't really pan out, it was never really
fantasy relevant, but did have a pretty you know, play
in the NFL long enough to get a pension. So
I wonder if we maybe see Taylor Green take the

(17:31):
same sort of route and a positional change in his future.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
What is the kind of process between liking Peyton ahead
of Green? If these are both kind of like, not
very proven, super athletic guys, what do you like better
about Peyton?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Maybe more likely to stick at quarterback?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's the difference for you?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Okay, I think so too, Like I think those are
the two guys with the you know, swing upside. I
have Nus and Back ahead of them because those guys
have had a lot of starts, so it's much more
likely that they see some action earlier. Those guys are
true like hey man, they could be Pro bowlers in

(18:13):
two or three seasons like Jordan Love, or they could
be in the CFL next year, right, Like, I think
there are wide ranging outcomes for Cole Payton and Taylor
Green which make them dicey to draft.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
All right, the quarterbacks think, in this class, let's move on.
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That's at fantasypros dot com Slash Simulator. All right, guys,
let's go to running back. Much like quarterback is a
very obvious number one Sarah Maia Love, We're not going
to spend any time there. Awesome. We even talked about
it even in super Flex Worth going over Fernando Mendoza.
He's in the same category as guys like Bijon jed

(19:09):
d you know, Gibbs, Like, like Fitz said, maybe a
hair behind some of them. And we're not saying he's
at the top of that group, but like you can
say his name in the same breath and not get
left out of the room. That's how good he is.
He's awesome. RB two is where it gets interesting. There
are like, what six names you can make a case
for here, at least that you might see people making
a case for depending on their personal preference. Bogman, as

(19:30):
of right now, recording to March fifth, who's RB two
for you?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I still have Jeneerian Price. So I think that he
would have had way more buzz if he hadn't been
sitting behind Jeremiah Love right like, and he wanted to
play for Notre Dame and he got to do it,
And I mean he played in a natty that they
went real far with him. Obviously, we wonder about the
receiving profile because I think in his, you know, college's career,

(19:55):
he had like eighteen receptions or something. But I just
he has like if you remember the buzz on Miles
Sanders coming out of college, I feel like Jaenerian Price
is kind of the same way. An explosive runner who
can hit a home run, a strong runner with good
vision as well. And I just think he's a little
bit undervalued here because he's not behind Jeremiah Love. So

(20:16):
I'm still gonna have Price number two.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It seems like for you guys, the three names I said,
there's a bunch of names you could consider an ECR.
There's like several here the three names that you guys
have in different orders, but the three names after Love
are Price, Jonah Coleman, and Mike Washington Junior. Is it
one of those three for you two fits that is
number two?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, it it is Price. But I do not have
many really entrenched positions with tier two, Like I find
this to be a complete jumble, and like there's basically
one thing I like about all of these guys, Like
Jenarian Price. I like that he is commonly mocked highest,

(20:57):
like he is the odds on favorite to be the
number two to running back off the board. Jonah Coleman,
I probably like his his tape the most. You know,
he's a big ten guy, I guess technically with Washington,
so I got to see him quite a bit last
fall and thought he was pretty good. Mike Washington obviously
the athleticism and the speed at his size. I mean,

(21:21):
this above average running back who runs a sub four
four really impressive. Emmett Johnson, just his productivity for Nebraska
last year. And you know, Nick Singleton probably is the best.
Well until Washington, I guess I thought Singleton was gonna
have the best size speed combination in the draft, and
you know k Tron Allen productive too. It's just I'm

(21:41):
a fan of the band Rush and in their song
free Will, there's a lyric if you choose not to decide,
you still have made a choice. And I'm not going
to decide on these guys because my in my overall rankings,
my RB two is in after eleven wide receivers. I

(22:03):
just think the wide receivers are better. So I'm gonna wait,
and like, I don't think that's too crazy because I
was just looking at a two round mock draft that
Dane Brugler of The Athletic did. Brouglar is an excellent,
you know college scout scouting guy, the Beast every year, Yeah,
the Beast. So he had in his two round mock

(22:25):
only two running backs going in. He had Jenedarian Price
going with the last pick of the second round, and
he had ten wide receivers going before that Jeddarian Price pick.
So I feel like that's kind of the way to go.
The receivers are just better than the running backs in
this class other than Jeremiah Love and Bogman.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
The league is telling us this that they are down
in the class with when you see like what people
are paying for David Montgomery, right like when the Texan's
spent to add him rather than just drafting one of
these guys. Do you do you feel like this kind
of clump of you know, five or six RB twos
here Bogman is more like it, like they're not in

(23:05):
Brugler's you know, two round mock. Do you see them
as like still Day two guys like a lot of
them in round three or do you even see them
as more of like Day three guys Like these are
like talking of like fourth rounders here, because it does
feel like a pretty big difference to Day two versus
Day three.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I remember Cam Skataboo was a fourth round pick last year, right,
so that class was deep though, And I just think
there's less desperation for running backs. I think the teams
that need them are trading for them, as you said,
so you know, the market is kind of down on
rbs right now currently in the NFL. So I do
think that they will probably be more between round three

(23:39):
and round four. One or two may slip into the second,
you know, two or three in the third, but I
think most of these guys are going in the fourth
round though, so I that's kind of how I see it.
But I'm with FITZI I have nine wide receivers ahead
of Jendarium Price. I have two tight ends. I know
Jendarium Price, and even in a one QB league, we're

(24:01):
take him Mendozo over him too. So yeah, I think
we're kind of down on this class. But I would
throw the one name that FITSY didn't say I'm gonna
throw dem and Clayborne in there as well. Just the
speed and the vision in the way that he can accelerate,
I think is going to be really good as a
be back somewhere, So I would throw him in that
second group as well.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I Fitzar, when you're listening on the names, I'm not
sure if you actually did you say Nick Singleton. He's
sixth NCR. The reason I want to bring him up
is because I wonder if he would have jumped up
from the combine if he'd had the chance, Just because
we know he's very athletic. He obviously he was a
five star recruit. He broke his foot, so he wasn't
able to do any of that stuff. I wonder if
he would have been a combine hero that would be

(24:43):
more towards this RB two conversation. If he'd had the
chance to kind of show off athletically.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I think he would have tested maybe similarly to
Mike Washington, Like I don't know if he would have.
Ryan Washington was a four three three. I'm not sure
Singleton would have been quite that fast, but I think
he would have been right around for four at a
pretty good size. I think he checked in at like
what two hundred and twenty pounds or something like that,

(25:09):
So I do believe he had a chance. And since
this foot injury is not something that's going to put
his rookie season in jeopardy, Like, we shouldn't forget about him.
But it's just kind of what you think of him
when you watch the tape. I mean, I think it's
he was weird. He had some really good seasons at
Penn State and some really unimpressive seasons.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Trent Richardson, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I mean, a great athlete has crazy bursts, zero vision, Yeah,
And Kateron Allen's the opposite, Like, he doesn't have that burst.
He's not a crazy athlete, great vision. So I put
them together, they're Saquon Barkley. But you know two different people.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know. The reason, the real reason I'm second guessing
having Jadarian Price at number two is that because this
is such an ordinary running back class after Jeremiah Love,
I feel like pass catching is going to be important
for getting these guys playing opportunities, and Jedarian Price has
shown none. You might have it, but he just wasn't
asked to do it at Notre Dame. There's very little

(26:10):
to go on with him as a pass catcher. And
I just who is gonna cut who is gonna give
Jenarian Price early down work right away? Like, I just
don't see that happening.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Landing spot is gonna matter so much for these guys,
right Like, I mean, because if you end up being
number two behind Ashton Genty or Saquon Barkley or something
like that, you're not getting the touches. You know, San
Francisco's probably drafting one of these guys. They got a
lot of free agents. So whoever's behind CMC gets nothing.
You're just a handcuff until CMS gets hurt. So Landing

(26:42):
Spot is going to put a lot of context on
this group, and that is gonna be the that's gonna
end up being the massive separator for all.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
These I think it's gonna be really random. Who's gonna
get opportunities in year one? Like it's probably whichever these
running backs are on teams where a bunch of running
backs get hurt, you know, Like it might be we
might see I don't know, Klin Black, he might be
the twelfth running back off the board, but maybe he
goes to.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
The goal line carries yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
A team just has a wave of injuries and all
of a sudden they have to play him and he
comes through. Like I feel like it's gonna be less
about getting opportunities on the merits than just kind of
lucking your way into.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
It Crosskey Merritt from last year.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, so Love is a top two pick in rookie drafts,
you guys because of all the receivers basically don't have
any of these guys in the rest of a round one.
So round two is gonna be very heavy on Price Coleman, Johnson,
Allen Washington, Singleton, et cetera. Who are the names that
would be going in round three of rookie drafts that

(27:42):
interest you? Or is that gonna be like still a
lot more receivers just because of the death or are
there names. I mean, looking at ECR, you know there's
names like Adam Randall, Roman Hemby, Seth McGowan, Jaden O. Like,
who are names that you guys are gonna be interested in?
Inside you know they're not gonna be players that you're
aggresively trading up to try go get, but that like
you know, in that twenty five to thirty six range

(28:04):
of rookie drafts, you might have some interesting fits or
is it like nobody and they'll just be more receivers.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, Adam Randall is the one who really interests
me because he's a converted wide receiver, so we know
he's probably capable of catching passes. And he ran a
four five to zero at two hundred and thirty two pounds,
and I think he did a bunch of reps on
the bench press too, Like just a big dude with
some pass catching aptitude. So I'm interested in him as

(28:32):
just and I know he's raw, like he didn't become
a running back until his final year at Clemson, so
basically just has one season of running back experience. But man,
the raw tools are something I'm sure some NFL team
is going to be really intrigued By. It wouldn't surprise
me if he maybe like snuck into the end of

(28:52):
day two bagman.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, the only other name that I have is outside
of Adam Randall, because I do have him in there
as well. But is Seth McGowan running back from Kentucky.
A lot of off the field issues, but six foot
two twenty three ran a four four nine, very very
athletic guy who had some really interesting tape and a
lot of bursts.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So excited to see him.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
But beyond that, like I don't know, maybe jam Miller,
Kaylin Black, Jamari Taylor gets drafted to some good spots.
I know there's some love for Robert Henry Junior, but
not a lot beyond those guys.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm not a scout, so I'm not good at assessing
the on field workouts. But like Jim Miller kind of
caught my eye off just.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
The way I like the way that guy moves. It's
a lot of experience too for Jim, so it might
not be bad, but it's gonna have to be Uh,
it's gonna have to be situations for these guys that
end up going somewhere. And like Fitz he said, a
running back gets hurt or you know, gets traded or
something happens and it's next man up. So I just

(29:55):
if we're gonna have to see where these guys land
to get their true value.

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Speaker 1 (31:30):
All right, fellas, let's get to the wide receivers. The
kind of obvious Tier one that we've been talking about
for a couple of months now. Carnel Tate, MacKaye Lemon,
Jordan Tyson. That is the order I have had them
pretty much the whole time. The order ECR currently has them.
It's you order, both of you have them according to
the sheet I'm looking at here. Let me know if
that's changed at all. But it's not to say there's
a lot of separation, even though, like sometimes when you

(31:52):
see everybody agrees that this guy's will want everybody agrees
that this guy's to like, it feels like, oh well,
because it's such a consensus that it means there's a
wide gap. There's not a wide gap here. We just
happen to all agree in this order. But they are
very close to each other, and in the Dynasty trade
value chart fits and I did a show on that
earlier this week. They were like, I think six spots
apart total between them in that chart in terms of value.

(32:15):
So Tate and Lemon a little bit of separation ahead
of Tyson. Obviously that's really injury driven, but it's these
three and then everybody else.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I have an interesting question for FITZI because I asked
it first. But if I made you move somebody Tate,
Lemon or Tyson, who moves.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Fitz, what do you mean moves?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Like like if you have to change your ranking, and
I say, look, this is not it. You have to
move one guy somewhere? Where do they move between Tate,
Lemon and Tyson?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I'd move Tyson up to either one or two.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Okay, I knew that's what you were going to say,
because if he's healthy.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Then I think is going to look low. I think
it might be the best prospect of all of them,
but like it's if I feel that way, I don't
feel like he's best by a lot either over Tate.
I think these guys are really really close, and the
easy tie break is Tyson's injury history, so he's kind
of easy to put at number three. But I think
I might like him the most of all these guys,

(33:12):
and I think he might have the highest upside. So
it's just like there was some separation in the overall
dynasty rankings ECR. What it was like Tate was eighteen
and Tyson was twenty four like that. I mean, though
it's only six spots, it shouldn't be that big a gap.
They're really close, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

(33:33):
I know every mock draft has Tate going ahead of
Tyson wouldn't shock me. And off Tyson went ahead of Tate.
If teams are ran him through the medicals at the
combine and were totally confident that the knee he wrecked
back in what twenty twenty two was totally fine, would
not shock me. If Tyson was the first receiver drafted.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Bogman, what's your answer to that? Who would you move?
If you had to move one?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I put Lemon up at one and move tit and
moved Tate down just a spot because I you know
Taita has had some injury stuff as well. But like
FITZI said, you just never know what is what is
an actual injury? What is staying out of games to
preserve your NFL future, you know what I mean and
get the big.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Big money.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
So I think that that is a legitimate question. And
like FITZI said, you know, the teams are going to
know better than us because they get to run their medicals.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
So that's probably just to hedge my bets.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
As I put the guy that hasn't had the injury
history the other two head up at the top.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Boban, what was your reaction to Tate running a you know,
reportedly not reportedly, but a slower forty time. I guess
I say reportedly because there were some scouts that I guess.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Hand tied fast.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
But just like ridiculousness around that worm is so eye rolling, bro, Like, dude,
why are we measuring it? And then you're telling us
that the measurement could be wrong? What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (34:55):
It is?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
This is done with radar and maybe has something to
do with I thought they said.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Like it's like when your hand moves first, Yeah, electronic
one starts and his hand like starts sooner than other
guys or something like.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
No, his hand starts like he it starts a later,
like he has a different way of doing it. So yeah,
I think it's much ado about nothing, man Like.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
The answer is I do not care about his forty
time even a little.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah. Yeah. The other thing too, is like his speed
is not the reason I'm interested in him, Like he's
he's fast enough, right, he's not if if he runs
like you know, a five two forty like you know
something insane, yes, then you become you know undraftable.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
But if it's fast enough to wrat up a corner, yeah, of.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
A second slower, yes, he's still very good.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I'm not at all worried if you were going to
be bothered by anything about Carnell Tait, and I'm not
saying this does bother me. It's the fact that, like
you know, Jordan Tyson was the number one receiver on
his team and Ohio State. Whoever's game planning against Ohio
State had to worry about Jeremiah Smith first and foremost
because he is an absolute monster and it's going to
be one of the best wide receiver prospects ever to

(35:59):
come out of college when he eventually comes out next year.
But I'm not worried about that because when you watch
Carnell Taite, it's just a highlight play after highlight play downfield,
Like the guy's just a fantastic He's so good at
adjusting to the ball in the air. Like that's the
thing I like most about Carnell Tay, Like he.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Just and people get I think people are getting, you know,
fatigue from all these Ohio State wide receivers being great.
But they're all great, right, Like almost all of them
have come out and been awesome. JSN just won a
Super Bowl, you know. Garrett Wilson only played six games
and let his team interceptions. Chris Olbvey look great, you know,
after not having one hundred concussions this year. So I mean,

(36:41):
there's just they are a wide receiver producing factory right.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Iron sharpens iron man. If you want to see the
field in Columbus, you better be good.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Do you guys still feel We talked early on in
this process about the strength of the receivers in this
year's class, is the depth, not the high end guys
Like it doesn't feel like and again giving them as prospects,
not what they've done in the NFL. It doesn't feel
like there's a Marvin Harrison junior or am Alak neighbors.
These like super super step in like gonna be a
wide receiver, want to dynasty the day they get to

(37:13):
the NFL types of guys. But they're still very good.
They're still like inside the top twenty, just more like
later in the top twenty than towards the top ten.
Do you still feel that way, Bogman? Did you ever
feel that way? Or is that just me kind of
making that up? Where they're very good, but maybe not
the elite prospects entering the NFL.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I think the thing that I would say, the one
bone I'd have to pick with that thought process is
the fact that, you know, none of these guys are
fully formed and completely done learning and growing, right, So
who thought aman Ra Saint Brown was going to be
a top five wide receiver in the NFL when he
came in? Not many people, right, So there's a lot

(37:52):
of meat on the bone for these guys to learn
and grow, and they already have a lot of talent.
So I would say coming into the NFL, there there
is no Malik. But we thought Marvin Harrison Junior was
a generational type guy.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, I just thought you about any prospects, right
of course.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
But that but that's the process, right is as prospects, Uh,
these guys are not done learning, you know, they're not
completely formed you know players quite yet. So I think
I think you're right in the fact that there is
no crazy upside here with you know, like a generational prospect.
But these guys could all I think those top three
guys could all be wide receiver ones, you know, by

(38:28):
the end of their second season, and no one would
be super shocked by that.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
The next two, Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston, have been
the next two for a while. By the way, Tate,
Lemon and Tyson in pretty much every draft and ranking
we've done have been three, four and five. In the
overall kind of rookie conversation, behind Love and Mendoza, Uh,
Conception on in Boston are guys that you guys, at
least I'm looking at. Have it reversed to you like better?

(38:54):
It doesn't really matter. They're both going to be in
that like, you know, six to eight range in rookie drag,
like they're good players. We like them. I want to
ask you, guys, the guy after him that you both
have at six, Omar Cooper Junior. Did you give any
consideration to putting him ahead of either Conception or Boston
or do you see those as like a mini tier

(39:15):
that Cooper is like sort of definitively at the end
of because he has been early in the conversation, seems
like there's starting to be a bit more hype him.
He's getting a lot of talk as a first round pick,
guy who might go in the twenties in this class.
Do you think there's a chance he's inside the top
five for you or is he pretty solidified at six fits.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I have thought about moving him up to four or five.
I have mentioned that I've got some family ties to
Indiana University and was really locked in on their football
program this year and watched a lot of them, and
I think Omar Cooper is just fantastic. This dude is
so tough. Like the play that encapsulates it for me,
and I wish I could remember the opponent, but like

(39:54):
he just like a little five yard catch over the middle.
He gets just absolutely rocked in the helmet by a
guy who got ejected for targeting. I think he had
and still makes the catch. I think he had to
sit out one play and then he came back and
I think he had like a first down reception on
the very first play. He was bad, Like this guy

(40:16):
is just so tough, but like great after the catch
blocks his tail off. There's a lot to like here.
So yeah, and now seeing things I think in uh,
the aforementioned Dan Brugler's latest mock draft, Bogs, I think
he had your Steelers taking Omar Cooper twenty one.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
You know, I'm one hundred percent with you, and you
were the the og Omar Cooper guy. But I do
think that I have him higher in the overall than
you do.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Now. I just watching this guy more and more and more.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
He just reminds me of Debo, you know, hopefully without
that attitude. So I think he's in that tier. I
haven't at the bottom of it now, but landing spot
is gonna, you know, mean a lot here.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Landing spot in draft capital for those reconceptcy on Boston
and Cooper.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He's in that group, no doubt to me.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
So let me ask you this who's wide receiver seven?
Because one through six? Obviously, like I said, you guys
switch a little on Boston versus scepts you on. But
one through six is basically the same order for you guys,
and for ECR is basically the same order. Seven is
where you start to see some again personal preference, just
guys that you might start to like better than consensus
or worse than consensus. So I want to ask each

(41:25):
of you a bug when I'll start with you, who's
wide receiver seven in this class?

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I have a group of three here that I kind
of go back and forth between. And it's Jeremy Bernard
in the two Bells, Chris Bell and Skyler Bell. And
I know I'm higher than a lot of people on
Skyler Bell, I do not care the guy is.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
He killed the combine. I think he's going to be great.
And Chris Bell is a guy that's injured this season.
Coming into this season, he towards ACL in college, so
we're gonna have to wait on him for a big
chunk of the year, which is why I would have
him lower. I think I would probably have him ahead
Denzel Boston and in that you know, in that group,

(42:03):
ahead of Casey Kcepcion, and probably ahead of Omar Cooper
Junior if he was healthy coming in here. But it's
Jeremy Bernard for me as number seven. The hands are incredible,
doesn't get bumped off routes a lot as well. Obviously
he had a checko on hyde season, but that kind
of went with ty Simpson's performance this year as well.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
So I just think the hands are one of the
best tools of all the wide receivers in this class
from Jeremy Bernard and I'm gonna stick to that.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Fitsu's your wide receiver seven.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's Elijah Sarats right now. But I don't feel strongly
about this like I've I've just got him. I feel
like he and Jeremy Bernard and Malachi Fields and maybe
Chris Brazel are all right there together and it's hard
for me to separate them. What I like about Sarat
is he's big, really reliable hands, and I think, like

(42:54):
of all the receivers in this class, maybe he had
the highest passer rating on targeted throws to him. But
then again, he played with Fernando Mendozo's final year, so
that yeah, right, right, So I like all those guys.
I mean, obviously the size speed combo with brazl is
really intoxicating. I mean, Bernard really good week at the combine.

(43:16):
I think Malachai Fields. I know some people are going
to knock him because he ran what's perceived to be
a slow forty time, but when you factor in his size,
I think his I want to say that player profile
still has his speed score in like the seventy fourth percentile,
So like any notion that like the forty time is

(43:39):
going to really dock Malachai Fields in the draft, I
don't know if that's accurate.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
So in looking at the kind of shape of the
first round in rookie drafts. We have one quarterback in Mendoza.
We have one running back in Love because you guys
are down on the rest of the class. There's the
six receivers that we all kind of agree on earlier,
and then there are two tight endswers we'll get to
at the end of the show. So that's six receivers,

(44:06):
two tight end is eight, one running back, one quarterback.
That's ten. The last two spots in rookie you know,
mox to fill out the twelve. Are those just going
to be receiver of your choice fits whether it's sarat
or you know, based on landing spot you know becomes
Bernard or whoever Malachi fields. Is there a chance that

(44:27):
it could be, like, well, by the time we get
to early May, that it could be one of the
running backs. Or is it just going to be like, hey,
however these wide receivers shake out, that will kind of
be the eleven and twelve in drafts.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
In your opinion, I think it'll probably depend on, like
there will be a couple eye opening things as far
as like where guys get drafted, and that's maybe going
to move the needle. But I think if we were
doing it a rookie draft today or multiple rookie drafts today,
one hundred rookie drafts today. I'll bet Mike Washington is
going one to eleven or one twelve and eighty percent

(45:00):
of those drafts.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Do you feel like, in terms of your rankings, Bogman,
is that a fair assessment of mine? That there's kind
of like a clear top ten just in the way
we've talked about it so far, and then not even
that it's like they're gonna be terrible picks, but just
like the more question marks start to come in about
what is this order going to look like at eleven
or do you see kind of a break differently?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, I mean I think that I think the break
maybe like after Mendoza, I have him at nine, So
after that my ten, eleven, twelve.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It is just be clear that's in a one QB
he's talking yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And a one QB, so in a super flex put
him too, right, So but after that, I would say,
you know, in a super flex, you'd consider where Ty
Simpson lands. Of course, maybe even if if Garrett Nusmeyer
goes ahead of him for whatever reason, if he lands
in a good spot like Tyler Schuck kind of was
out of nowhere last year. Jackson dar was in the

(45:52):
first round out of nowhere last year. But then currently
I have stours Bernard Bell. But I look at the
tiers that I have here, and I could have all
the way down to my nineteenth guy right now is
Jonah Coleman. I could easily have him at number ten
if he ends up in a really great scenario, like
if he's the Titans lead back after they make improvements

(46:15):
at wide receiver through free agency, right like, and at
another wide receiver. Now, all of a sudden, this the
old line fixed, cam Ward has targets, and Jonah Coleman
is the lead back.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
You know he's gonna move way up in that same.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Fair to say, Boggs, we don't feel great about whoever
we respectively have at one twelve. Yeah, Like I've got
Elijah's Sarat there, Like I feel good about Elijah Sarat
in the second round. I don't want to draft him
at one twelve.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Honestly, I get to nine and I start to get queasy. Yeah,
that's where it is for me. So I'm even before that.
At nine, I start to go, I just really don't
know what this is going to look like I think
I have my top nine locked in, but after that,
I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
So looking at some of these other names deeper at receiver,
so we'll get to the tight ends later. Obviously, everybody
knows like we're talking about Citek and Stours as those
two you know, potentially in the first round, but we'll
dive deeper in that position at the end of the show.
As far as the rest of the receivers go. You know,
Zach ryat Branch, Jacobin Laye, malchie Field, Skyler Bell, you
guys have mentioned of these names already, even going a

(47:17):
little further like Bryce Lance, ted Hurst. I know there
has some fans out there. Is this a group when
you look at wide receiver let's say, like twelve through
twenty that you think is better or worse than most
year's wide receiver twelve ish through twenty fits.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
The deeper you go into this receiver class, I think,
the more favorable it looks against other classes, which is
in to say better, but at least it's comparable at
the top. It's probably not as good as your typical
wide receiver class. It's deep, but not necessarily a really

(47:59):
good class. I think there are a lot of interesting guys,
but I don't think the hit rate with this wide
receiver class is going to be above average relative to
other classes. I think the bulges might be middle below average.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, so yeah, the bulges in the middle where you
don't want it to be right, Like, there's a lot
of medium talent here that could ascend and become great.
Just like you said warm, I have sarat Fields and
Brassel kind of in my next group after Bernard Bell
in the Bells, and then I have Ted Hurst and
Zach Ryat Branch, Antonio Williams, Bryce and Lance and then

(48:33):
it kind of gets he gets real fuzzy.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
After that, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I feel like we're all sort of dancing around, like
you know, the fact that this class kind of sucks.
Let's be totally honest.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
I mean, like there's upside though They're gonna be hits
for sure, but like when you we want to like
every class and fall in love with these guys because
this is the most exciting time of Dynasty season, Like
we get excited about the rookie drafts and everything, But like,
if you want to declare that every class is.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Good, then no class is good, you know what I mean,
Like we're about to see a monster class in twenty
twenty seven. I'm confident in that, Like we are gonna
be hyper excited about next year's class. This year's class
just isn't good, but hey, we still have to like
parse it and take our shots in rookie drafts and
figure out who can help us. It's just the hit

(49:24):
rates are gonna be bad this year.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
That's like if you take zach Ryet Branch like twentieth overall,
or like Bryce Lance.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
A guy who a guy who ran screens on fifty
seven percent routs or whatever, what.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Is your mindset going to be if you were like, hey,
I could use a receiver. It's it's that it is
deeper in this class, like I'm taking Bryce Lance and
or you know whoever in the early middle third round
of the rookie drafts. Are you walk away being like, yeah,
I feel good, like I'm excited to see what he does.
You're gonna walk away being like I had to take someone.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Pretty much, I had to take someone, but I think
I'm gonna feel the way I feel. Want to buy
a powerball ticket, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
You know, maybe maybe you have to play to win,
but I don't think I'm winning.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the tight ends here. Obviously,
there are two names that stand above the rest. We
already had Kenyan Sadik and Eli Stowers as one and
two in the class, and then they proceeded to like
shatter records at the combine and just like really like
jaw dropping performances. Bagman, I asked fits this on Tuesday's show,

(50:31):
and I want to ask you too. We talk a
lot about not double counting. We already knew that Kenyan
Sadik was really really an athletic specimen, so we are
a little hesitant, Well, I am a little hesitant to
kind of bump him up too much after the combine, because, yeah,
we knew he was athletic. Here he is showing he's
an athletic freak. We already knew that. Why are we

(50:54):
like now over the moon about it now him being
an athletic freak versus him like breaking records. There's like
another level there that was very impressive by him. But
what was your thought watching sidekon stours, guys that we
knew were athletes really prove just how athletic they were
by breaking records at the combine, and did it move
the needle for you in terms of where they are
ranked in your overall rankings.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
It did because it moved the scouts needles right, like
I think it had to. When you know there's this
overarching thought process and I'm part of it as well,
and I know you guys are with me that the
combine is becoming a little bit eye rolling because guys
are just not doing all of the things right. Like,

(51:34):
no one's running the three cone anymore hardly anyone's doing
the bench. Guys are sitting out the forty because they
know they're not going to be running a great time.
They're not doing the broad of the vert if they
don't want to. The shuttle is a forgotten art, right,
Like so when I heard Dan Brugler talking about this,
like how can Makay Lemon sit up there on the
podium and say I'm the most competitive guy here and

(51:56):
then not compete in anything. So for these guys to
go out and do it and look great and set records,
I think does move the needle right, even in a
class where look, you don't want to count it twice,
you don't want to say Hey, look, I knew Eli
Stowers was going to be a good receiving tight end.
I knw Kenyan Sadiq was a great athlete, but I
didn't know to this level, and I think that's fair
to say. So it moved the needle for me because

(52:17):
you could see the reaction and hear what the scouts
were saying about these guys to say that they were very,
very impressed, and I think, you know, Sam Rouse did
all the stuff, and I heard a lot of gushing
about him as well. So yeah, I think with those
guys in particular, it does move the needle because this
class is weak, and because I think it kind of
reset the expectations on those guys according to the scouts.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Fitz, where are those two sidekin Stours for you in
the overall rookie rankings right now? Are they both clearly
first round picks? Is Stowers still kind of borderline? I mean,
Sidiqu's number one at the position? Where do they kind
of fit for you at the moment?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
In super flex, I have Sadiq seven and Stours ten,
and you know it's funny where I'm like, so, I mean,
I think there's not that big a gap between the
two of these guys. And one of the reason reasons
I'm why I have Sidik ahead of Stours is that

(53:12):
I think Sidique might be better able to play in line,
which generally means more snaps. It was pretty interesting at
the combine Cidik only weighed two more pounds than Stours,
So and I know Sidik like is a better blocker,
but maybe he won't be able to play in line
full time at his size. I mean he's six', three
he's actually an inch shorter Than. Stours he's six three

(53:35):
stars six y, four so it kind of depends where he.
GOES i might even squeeze these guys closer together than.
THAT i, mean one of these two guys won The
john McKie, award and it Wasn't kenyon.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Sadikurs sours is two years, older for what it's, worth
But sidiq just turned twenty one actually yesterday as of this.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Recording which is. Appealing for sure That sadiq was able and,
maybe like that's kind of one of the knocks That
sadik did not put up crazy good, Numbers but that
would be more worrisome if he were twenty two or
twenty three and was not dominating against younger, competition but
instead like he was going up a against guys typically

(54:21):
older than he, Was, LIKE i don't want a bad
Mouth Kenyon sadik at. All he's a really interesting. PROSPECT
i don't think he's in the level Of loveland And
Tyler warren last, year but still a fantastic.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Prospect who is tight end? Three and where is tight
end three in your overall? Rankings if these guys are
If Sadekin stowers are both inside your top ten in
the overall? Rankings who is number? Three And? Bogman i'll
start with. You you Mentioned Sam rousch from Some. Stanford
is he tight end? Three and if, so where is
he going for? You?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yeah he's three for, me AND i have.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
HIM i need to move him up from WHERE i have,
him But i'll have him probably at like twenty. Five
so AND i have those guys in a super flex
at seven and, Eleven sadiq And. Sours so, yeah for,
me it's a pretty big drop. Off BUT i did you,
know the more and MORE i Watched Sam rousch and
the fact that he competed and, EVERYBODY i, mean he

(55:16):
also was great right and moved. Great but the MORE
i watch, HIM i feel like There's Hunter henry, There
so maybe not a massive amount of, upside but a pretty, good,
steady long term. Contributor So Sam rausch is gonna be
number three for, me.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Fitz wu's three for. You and where are they.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Ranked i've Got Max, claire But i've got him down
at thirty seven overall in Superflex Max. Clair we didn't
didn't get to see him do all that much For
Ohio state last year because, well you, Know Jeremiah smith
And Carnel ta took up a lot of oxygen as
far as the pass catching for The. Buckeyes but when

(55:53):
he was At, purdue like he was a force as
a pass. CATCHER i just think he's got a lot
of pass catching. Upside rauch is four from he was
he was the eye opener at the combine and he's
generally regarded as the best blocking tight end in the.
Class but then he went out and tested like a,
champ which makes it suggest that he's got some pass
catching upside.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Too so you have these guys as like round four
picks in, yeah the drafts and super. Flexes, YEAH i,
mean if you just want to go, FISHING i, mean
there are like a lot of interesting guys in this
uh this tight end class who could pan.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Out LIKE i know a lot of people are excited
About michael Trig. Alow the tape isn't real exciting on.
Him Tanner cozil is sort.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
OF i Love Tanner. Cozil, yeah you Know trig.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Too trig is one of those guys that's just rocked
up and looks like he should be amazing and then
he like fits said watch him and you're, like why
are you not?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Better Justin jolly is another guy like that who looks
like he should be fantastic and maybe he could be or.
Whatever and, UH i got to put in a word
for my, Guy riley noahkowskis and we went to the
same high, School indiana's tight end last. Year i've got
him at like tight end. TEN i don't Think i'm
gonna be Drafting riley even in five round rookie.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Draft is fits like sneaky A hoosiers fan instead of The.
Badgers he's all Over indiana so.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Far hard to not be infatuated With indiana this, year,
right for, Sure And Noah kowski was a big part of.
That but, YEAH i think fitz is. Right there's a
lot of maybe's, here and maybe these are tough to,
draft specifically at the tight end, position, right Maybe Jack
andres makes. It he was better At cal With, mendoza,

(57:36):
Right so he's much better At cal than he was
In texas last. Year but they needed in the block
Because texas lost so much on the old, line so
it was blocking a.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Ton you.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Know Joe royer has gotten some, Love Oscar delp has
gotten some. LOVE i Like Dallan bentley and, yeah, Yeah
Dallan bentley's a lot of fun to. Watch And Eli
rearden is a physical specimen as.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Well and the kid FROM a AND.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
M borker, like he had a great combine as. Well
so there are some names here that are. Interesting but
the overall tight end, class it's those top two guys
and then a bunch of lottery tickets bugs real.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Quick two other guys we should mention Remember Russell, maryland
the old defensive end from The. Cowboys his son R
j is a tight end in this, class and.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
He had a massive. Injury he was as a, freshman
he was. Unbelievable then he had a big knee injury
and that has really set his career. Back Kills hibner
who played on that SAME smu team was great at
the combine as.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Well what about any interest In Jared, kanek the guy
who WAS i think he was a former linebacker sooners At.
OKLAHOMA i, know so he's An oklahoma. Guy but a
story on him is like he was a linebacker and
like a special team's, Ace like special teams is kind
of his. Thing but he's making a. Team he wanted

(58:52):
to contribute, more so he talked to the coaches about
switching a tight, end did so, successfully and then he
went out and tested great at the. Coming So Taysom,
hill yeah play him wherever you use a football. Player
just put him wherever you. Want so he's going to
be a special teams AS i think that's a.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Story but they're all like they're all scratch.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
Offs you, know maybe you scratch underneath the service and something's,
great but maybe you throw it in the.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
TRASH i think the.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Big takeaway really from the whole, conversation not just tight,
ends is what do you get past the first ten
to twelve, Picks like there's gonna be a lot of
players drafted who are not on your roster two years from,
Now so just take swings on guys who could be difference,
makers because, like there's gonna be a lot of. MISSES
i think in rounds, two, three, four and five in
these rookie, drafts opportunity is gonna be so.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Big that's really what it.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Is where is opportunity is going to be so big
it's going to move the needle on these guys more
than it has.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
In any other.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Class so it's gonna be, like are these guys going
to be able to contribute?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Early because if they, are we're gonna be able to.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
See SO i would just rather, see, Right, SO i
think the landing spot is going to matter more this
year than it will, then it did last, year and
it will next.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Year All, right we'll go ahead and wrap things up.
There appreciate everybody to checking out our POST Nfl combine
rookie rankings For bogman And. Fits I'm Ran. Warmley we'll
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