SELL These 10 Busts Before The 2025 Fantasy Football Season (Ep. 262)

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pro's Dynasty Football Podcast.
I am Ryan Warmlay, joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris
and by Scott Bogman Fellows. Last week we talked about
breakouts to buy in Dynasty at this time of year.
This week we're doing the opposite. We're talking about busts
or just generally guys that we're fading guys we want
to be selling in Dynasty right now. So kind of
the mirror episode to what we all heard last week,

(00:25):
we're going to go through the same format of picking
one player at each position and then kind of a
number one overall fade guy that you really want to sell.
We kind of framed this in preparing for the show.
I think we use a phrase sell high. I do
want to say, like you can kind of. I don't
really like that kind of phrasing because I think I

(00:46):
would just prefer the framework of sells and buys. You
can buy high and buy low. Those are both equally
important skills. You can sell high and selling low is
sometimes also really valuable too, So I do want to
kind of not do the standard saying sell high here.
You can sell low on these guys too, and I
think some of these guys maybe will fall into that
category for you, and I still think that's an important

(01:08):
thing to be trying to do in Dynasty, So I
just want to kind of make that point off the
top as a reminder for everybody. All of our twenty
twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at
fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can navigate to our
Dynasty rankings from there as well. Before we get into
our player picks here, guys, I want to talk about
why selling proactively really is an important skill in Dynasty.

(01:29):
If it's let's start with you. What mindset do you
have when you go into trying to determine if this
is the right time to sell a guy or are
you more reactive in saying, oh, if somebody's coming to me,
maybe I'll look to move off, or do you try
and take a proactive approach?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, I mean I do try to take a proactive approach,
And age is obviously a marker, like trying to move
certain guys maybe as they get into their thirties or whatever,
and maybe you know, sell those people to teams looking
to win. Now, if I'm not one of those teams,
and I won't sell on an older player if I
am in win now mode. But age is the big one.

(02:05):
But then also maybe, and this is the case with
a couple of guys I'm going to talk about today,
if I just sense that maybe there's a downturn coming,
bob Bin.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
When it comes to selling players for you, besides age,
is there anything you look for that makes you that
kind of is a flag to you that, Okay, it's
time to start thinking about selling this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think instead of sell high, sell low, it's
sell now. I think that's kind of more of what
That's more how I pick my players, Like I do
think that they're going to crater in value somewhat soon.
Maybe it's not this season, maybe it's not even next season,
but over the course of their career, they're coming to
the end. I think age is the biggest one, but

(02:44):
also situation, and you know there are other situations, like
when we get to my favorite one, it's kind of
a combo deal, right, Like so, I think the important
thing to know is when to sell, and there are
there are stages of selling, right. You can sell a
guy at his peak. They're selling a guy right after
the draft because you think he's over hyped. Right, They're

(03:07):
selling a guy after a really good season, in the
middle of a good run, you know. So there's many
different ways to sell. All these guys are like stocks
in your league. Their value is going to go up
and down depending on week to week and season to season.
So just selling at a good point when they still
have value, because you do you know, key holding it
is they still have to have value enough for someone

(03:29):
to want to buy, and you have to get something
decent back to hit the nail perfectly on the head.
Most trades are not perfect, I'll say that. So, but yeah,
that's how I kind of look at it. It's more
of a win to sell, and that could just be
public perception on a player. If I feel like a
player is getting a ton of hype and I just

(03:50):
can't see why, or it's almost all volume related and
not really the skill of the player, then I'm looking
to sell that player.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Fits.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Do you feel like most of your trades and dynasty
leagues are I am trying to buy the guy I
acquire or are they more I'm trying to sell the
guy I'm getting rid of, or is it a fairly
even split.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's kind of a pretty even mix, I would say.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Bogman, I would say it's more.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Most of the trades during the season are to replace
an injured player, so it's more like, maybe I don't
even like this guy, but I need to replace him,
so I need to do a deal. I think a
lot of trades are needs based. I think the off
season trades, that's when you're trying to make your starting
lineup way better. You should be doing that in the
regular season too, But I think most trades are done

(04:38):
out of necessity more than just working on it a
lot of the time.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Last general question before we get into the players fits,
is there besides running back, because I think that's an
obvious one because the shelf life is so short and
it's so easy to get injured. Besides running back, is
there a position that you more proactively look to sell,
like you know, I want to try in time to
market specifically on tight ends or quarterbacks or receivers or
is is it really just a player by player case.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
It is player by player. We know the quarterback market
is tough and super flax, and I tend to pretty
much play exclusively super flex. It's just hard to deal
with quarterbacks there because the prices are so exorbitant and
tight end I think it's I've found its kind of
hard to make deals because I know maybe it's changing
a little bit now, but it seems like no one
wants to pay a premium to trade for a premium

(05:24):
tight end, so those deals are hard to swing. I've
found the most of the deals I'm in usually are
revolving around running backs and wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Same question.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's either people don't want to pay for these tight ends,
like you said, FITZI, or they're just unbelievably cheap. There's
good enough guys on the wire, so why would you
trade for somebody? I'd say one of my favorite trading
strategies is hoarding quarterbacks in a super flex league. Like
if my team's not good and I'm rebuilding for a
season and I don't like the players in the draft,

(05:57):
I'll start snapping up quarterbacks left and right to trade
to people that need them because I know I'm going
to get an overpay. So if we're talking positions, quarterback
and a super flex is something I like to, you know,
I'll take a flyer on will Howard quinn Ewers. I
think there's a bunch of guys at the end of
a rookie draft this year to take a flyer on
into super Flex just to see if they pan out.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Let's get into the players. We'll start at the quarterback position,
kind of what we're already discussing a little bit here. Fits.
I'll start with you, who's your favorite sell or sell
high selo, whatever your sell candidate at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Kyler Murray is one for me, and he's probably a
guy should sell him my primary dynasty league since he's
been on my roster since I think we had the
Startup Draft. He's QB fifteen in ECR, i've him at
QB eighteen. I think my main concern is that I
don't know if Kyler Murray is still a starting NFL
quarterback by twenty twenty seven, which I believe is the

(06:54):
last year of his contract, aside from maybe a team
option in twenty twenty eight, and I think the Cardinals
could maybe potentially get away from Kyler after twenty twenty six.
He's thirty six, forty five and one as a starter
for Arizona. His career average of seven yards per pass
attempt is pretty average. His TD interception ratio is basically

(07:16):
two to one for his career average. At best. His
passing numbers are tolerable for fantasy. His rushing numbers led
to some exciting fantasy seasons early in his career, well
one basically twenty twenty, when he ran for eight hundred
and nineteen yards and eleven touchdowns. Since then, he hasn't
had more than five touchdown runs in any season. He's

(07:38):
been averaging about, I know, thirty to thirty three rushing
yards per game. He's just sort of settled into low
end quarterback one range, which is fine. It's just that
he's kind of stagnated. For the Cardinals. Kyler hasn't really
been getting better. And this thing where he doesn't throw
over the middle of the field ostensibly because he's short,
it's kind of a hindrance. Like Kyler's apparent lack of

(08:00):
chemistry with Marvin Harrison is a big problem for the
Cardinals organization. I just feel like this is a good
time to maybe look for the exit door, because it
might not be long before the Cardinals are looking for
the exit door.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Bogman, what do you think because Kyler, like with his running,
does seem like a guy that you could at least
paint the picture of there's real upside here. So see
somebody you're looking to sell, and if you are looking
to sell, what do you think is a reasonable price
in return?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Ooh, reasonable price is tough for him, Like I would
say an RB two, you know, RB three probably at
this point, because he's kind of a I think for
this year for redrafts, he's a high end QB two.
I think in Dynasty is kind of a mid QB two.
Is any like ECR seventeen or sixteen or something like that?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Sorry, I mean I'm gonna cut you off for a
saying when you say RB two or RB three, do
you mean in a one QB league or in a superflex?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I mean in a one cue.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, I just wanted to clarify because I was going
to say that seems way low. But I right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
For in a super flex, it should be a high
end RB two for Kyler Murray. But I agree with
fits like you know, and I was a Kyler guy
coming out, and I still think he's pretty good. But
in terms of the NFL, I think his issues are
becoming more exposed every single season. So I cannot wait
for him to be the Steelers quarterback in twenty twenty seven.

(09:21):
That's clearly what's going to happen with this. But yeah,
I think I'm off the Kyler Murray hype train as well.
If he if he starts the wheels again and the
connection is better with Marvin Harrison, I think he could
teeter the other way. But I think you're asking for
way too much to happen for that too.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Align perfectly fits what would be the return for you
that you'd be looking for.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh Man, So, I don't know. We have him on
our dynasty on our Fantasy Pros Dynasty trade value chart
value dude at fifty five in super Flex, which is
the equivalent of a oh I don't know. It's a

(10:08):
twenty twenty six early first. I mean, i'd absolutely take
that if I could get it. You know, other guys,
and they're some pretty good running backs like Kenneth Walker,
Chase Brown, young guys with upside, Trayvon Henderson. If I
had the depth at quarterback to pull it off, I

(10:30):
would be willing to take certainly like a young, exciting
running back like Trayvon Henderson for him, And I know
like that would probably offend some super flex managers who
you know, because quarterbacks are sort of the currency of
super flex. But man, I'm just I'm not real bullish
in the future for Kyler.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You are particularly high on Henderson, like in that example though,
you have him as a top game running back in
Dynasty right now. So we're keeping in mind with that
name that you throw out there, Bog and what quarterback
did you want to talk about? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I feel like I'm not down on too many qbs
because you know, the problem with seeing the upside and
the downside with everybody is like, I don't want to
really knock too many of these guys. So to me,
this was obviously Tua, right, And I don't it's obviously
a little bit boring, right, And I only have him
one spot off at ECR. But I think in the

(11:23):
last couple of seasons for Tua was really majorly just
the injury stuff, which is a huge thing. Still five
concussions in his career throughout college in the NFL, and
those are the ones we know about obviously, we don't
know about if he had high school concussions and things
like that. So three is a huge impact in your

(11:44):
brain health. He says he doesn't care, but I think
you have to consider that. Also, let's consider the Dolphins here.
He is maybe one of the worst fitting quarterbacks for
this offense in the NFL. All he does is throw short.
Last season, he was dead last in forty seven qualified
quarterbacks in deep throws five point five percent. The next

(12:05):
lowest was six point eight percent, so one point three
percent below the next lowest. There's great weapons in Miami,
but they're deep threats. I mean, Jalen Wattle can do anything,
but he is a deep threat. So it was Tyreek Hill, like,
these guys can get open deep, they can play deep.
This dude's not throwing the ball deep. You just got
rid of his best target from last season, John hus Smith,

(12:27):
who was great at those short yardage passes. Right, Mike
McDaniel is on the hot seat. The offensive line is bad.
So I think Tua is a good quarterback. I don't
think he fits in Miami with what they're doing, and
I don't think his career is going to last much
longer because of these injuries. And when he came to
the NFL, the injury thing was about his hip. It

(12:48):
wasn't about his concussions or anything like that. So there
are other concerns about his frame and size as well.
So it's just death by a million cuts for Tua.
There's way too many things for me to bother rostering him,
even if I'm waiting on a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, I just have very very little interest into this.
To me, would like definitely fall under, Like I would
be willing to sell low if I can get anything
of value. I'm taking it because I just don't want
to be riding the roller coaster, Like I just do
not want to be the guy who is, you know,
on the edge of his seat every time it takes

(13:25):
a hit. It's tough to watch a lot of the time.
And even aside from that, even just stylistically who he
is in terms of a fantasy quarterback. This was two
years ago, but he led the league in passing and
was QB nineteen on the season. I'm like, there is
just not a ceiling here with his inability to run,
which is like, you know, somewhat driven by the by
the injuries. So it's it's just not a good formula.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
You don't design any runs for him, and he's not
scrambling anymore. Like there's the rushing side is dead.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
No, and there's downside in the passing game if there
are people who think that the Dolphins could kind of
fall apart this season and there and there's the injury stuff.
So like, yeah, like you said, it's almost like a
boring pick, but I think I totally agree, Like, don't
hold out for a lot for him, just just be
move on for whatever you can get you. I think
that that's my opinion fits. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, you make a good point about how the ceiling
is kind of capped without the rushing ability, and you
know that he didn't have a good finish even two
years ago when he led the league in passing. I
don't think the short passing game is necessarily how they
want to play. I think that's how Mike McDaniel felt
they had to play last year after Tua came back
from the concussion, with an offensive line that did not

(14:39):
play as well last year as it had in twenty
twenty three. So I wouldn't be surprised if we saw
a little bit more vertical of a passing game for
the Dolphins this year, like to average five point seven
yards air yards per pass attempt last year. Back in
twenty twenty two, I think that number had been nine
point five. He was challenging defenses vertically.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He can throw the fo years ago. Yeah, he has
the ability to do it. But I think they made
this adjustment because of his injury stuff, right. I think
it's more the injury than the bat on line. It
was definitely a combo like you're mentioning, but I think
it was more the injury.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, and I think McDaniel probably feels like they have
to stretch out the passing game a little more this year.
But then does that put Tua's health at risk? So yeah,
Like I can't argue with the notion of Tua as
a cell candidate. The only question is it just seems
like everyone is scared of to her right now. And

(15:37):
our Dynasty trade value chart sort of reflects that, Like
he's got the same value in superflex as Tucker Craft,
And honestly, I mean, I think that's about the going
rate for two of these days.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm a bunch rather have Tucker Craft just even in
a super flex to be fair, I think.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I would too. You can see how far these breakout
names might fall in your Dynasty startup drafts by using
our draft Simulator. The Draft Simulator allows you to practice
quick and fun, realistic redraft or dynasty mock drafts based
on your league settings in minutes. Sink your league for
free and try it today at fantasypros dot com, slash
Mock or download the Fantasy Football Draft Wizard app. Let's

(16:13):
go to the wide receivers. Here fits, who do you
have for us?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh for going to wide receiver, I'm in Rol Saint Brown.
This is a cell high case like we were talking
about earlier in the show Worm, like the Sun God,
is a wonderful player. I do think he might be
somewhat overpriced in dynasty, though, if you have I'm gonna

(16:37):
run your dynasty team and decided to part with him, like,
you can get an absolute haul for him. He's been
the wide receiver seven, wide receiver three, and wide receiver
three in fantasy scoring the past three years in PPR,
which most dynasty leagues are. His scoring was slightly down
last year, though, we went from twenty point seven PPR
Fantasy points per game in twenty twenty three to eighteen

(16:57):
point six last year. Obviously, it's still top production, but
for am and Ross Saint Brown to get within two
fantasy points per game of where he was in twenty
twenty three, he needed to score a career high twelve
touchdowns and catch eighty one point six of his targets,
which is just an insane catch rade. Like his catch
rate had been a very good seventy two point six

(17:19):
the previous two seasons, so it's spiked by nine percentage
points over what was already a high catch rate. It's
just that his targets fell off last year. He'd averaged
ten point three targets a game in twenty twenty three,
only eight point three last year, and I think the
emergence of Jamison Williams was a big reason for that.
Like JMO had his first thousand yard season and he's
become a big part of the Detroit offense. So it's

(17:41):
kind of hard to see am and Row getting back
to ten targets a game. It's also hard to see
am and Ross scoring another twelve touchdowns. I mean, the
Lion scored a league high seventy tds on offense last season,
no other team had more than sixty five, and now
Ben Johnson isn't running that offense anymore. And by the way,
Ben Johnson really had a way of funne link targets
into the slot. Will that be the case with new

(18:03):
lines O C. John Morton, so In ECR, Puka Nakua,
Brian Thomas Junior, Nico Collins, Drake London are all ranked
behind aman Ross Saint Brown in Dynasty. I have all
four of those guys ranked ahead of aman Ross Saint Brown,
and I'm not slamming him by any means. He's awesome,
but I do think he's kind of overpriced right now.
And if you've got the depth to deal him like

(18:26):
you could, that is impressive bait to put on your
hook and you could catch a big fish or two
with that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
You beat me to it. On listening some of the
other names around him, because I was gonna say the
same thing like Pooka, I actually like I kind of
go back and forth on just give him, like some
of he gets banged up a lot, and Matthew Stafford
is older and has this back injury, So like Pooka
versus Omara, I think is an interesting conversation those other
three guys in Tier two where Amora is at the top.
He's wide receiver five in our consensus Dynasty rankings, but

(18:53):
Brian Thomas Junior, Nico Collins, Drake London. Unequivocally, I'm taking
over Amena. I'm not saying that the gap is massive,
but I am saying it's an easy decision for me.
I would rather have those three over Amanra very very
definitively for myself. So I agree with you like I don't.
I don't think Saint Brown should be outside of tier two.
Like I'm not saying he should plummet off these rankings.

(19:14):
But if you can maybe down quote unquote downgrade based
on consensus for an Amana too, like Drake London or
Nico or even like lad McConkie, if you want to
get down to tier three and add another piece with that,
I really like that strategy, or just get like a
you know, if you're a rebuilder, get a crazy haul
of picks or something like that. I'm totally with you
on this one. Fits and Bogman, I'm curious. I don't

(19:35):
have your rankings up in front of me, but I'm
curious where you come down an Amora, and if you
would agree with this.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I don't not even a little uh listen, I uh,
And I like him Manra Nico, I like Nico I mean,
Nico's had an injury history, right, and I love Nico.
I accept putting Brian Thomas Junior ahead of him, that's fine,
but right, yes, Travis Hunter next to him now, and
I know Jamo should get more in the offense, and

(20:00):
we're changing offensive coordinators. And I don't disagree that this
is the right time to sell high on a monor
Saint Brown, because I think fits is right in the
fact that like he's probably he probably peaked two seasons ago, right,
so we're probably in the middle of the peak. Maybe
we're on the back end of his you know, peaking
because we are losing the OC where they're going more

(20:22):
to Jamier Gibbs, Shamus William's gonna be used more, you know.
So I understand selling him. I'm not saying don't sell him,
But I still like Amna Saint Brown one of the
hardest workers in the NFL as well, uh, And he's
just he's a guy that every OC is going to
funnel the ball to because they see him do it
at practice, they see him do it every single day.

(20:43):
So I think he's just going to continue to be
rewarded and be one of the higher volume wide receivers
in the league. So I I do agree you order
these guys anyway you want. But a Manra to me,
I saw a Pooka ahead of him, But a Monra
to me is way up there. So I'm not selling him,
but I do understand if you can get a haul

(21:06):
for him, it might be worth more than he is
down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
So he's six three, is that right?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yes? Okay? Six? All right?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Who's the wide receiver you want to talk about here, bagman?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm gonna say Terry McLaurin. And there's a couple things here,
and I like Terry and I feel like I have
no problem taking him. But he is thirty, he's in
a holdout, and he just had a massive amount of touchdowns.
It was thirteen touchdowns last season. Now I see, I
think a lot of people are going to see that

(21:37):
and say, well, he's had a horrific quarterback plays. So
you get Jayden Daniels in there, and now this is
going to continue. It might is that within the realman possibility?
Of course it is. But this was thirty four point
three percent of his production last season and half PPR.
It's the first time he went over two hundred points.
He had been flirting with it one hundred and ninety
and a half in twenty twenty two, one hundred and

(21:59):
eighty point three in twenty twenty but I mean this
low touchdown total kept him away. So I think the holdout,
the fact that they added Debo. I think they're going
to get better at the running back position soon. Jayden
Daniel still runs the ball a lot. You know, t
Mak is the number one right now, but he's over thirty.
There's new guys come in the league. He's in a holdout.

(22:19):
They're adding players. I think it is the right time
to get out from under McLaurin right now. I think
other people have that. So he's not like a peak
peak cell now like a Moner s. Brown. I'm not
going to get as sexy as fits on this show.
I could say that, But yeah, I think I would
sell t Mac right now if I could.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I feel like the right time to sell McLaurin Bogman
would be last year. But Nola, I was going to
say the day he signs whatever accession he signs, Okay,
that could be you wait, because he's going to sign
a contract, whether it's with the Commanders or somebody else.
I think that is the moment that you that you
trade him, because you're he has been any old guy

(23:01):
for a while, Like for a guy who came into
the league in twenty nineteen to already be thirty, you know,
he is just older than you might realize.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And if they do trade him, worm, who is this quarterback?
If they trade him to Pittsburgh, do you want him
at all?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, it really depends where he goes, and so that
that is an air of uncertainty around him. So yeah,
I think, like I'm curious before I toss the fits
bog when I want to go back to you, what
would you want for him? Because you're recognizing that this
maybe isn't selling at his peak, but that it is
still a good time to sell. What is your expectation
of a return?

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I I got him at like, if I could just
get younger, give me Like if I could get pickens
and a pick I think I would do that, if
I could get wattle and something on top.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
He's two spots ahead of Buka in the consensus rankings.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Perfect, give me a Buka all day, you know, if
it's specifically if I'm a bottom feeder and I can
get Agbuca and give a contender Terry McLaurin. That's like
a perfect deal.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't know if you could get that, but two
of the guys who I think you maybe could get
for him if you wanted to get younger, and they
have the same value as Terry McLaurin and our trade
value chart, the two rookie tight ends, Colston Lovelin and
Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I would do that too, specifically, if I didn't have
a tight end, I would take a shot on one
of those guys because I mean, look, I mean Terry McLaurin,
let's say two more really good years, right, and that's
then he's going into this year thirty three season, and
I just I don't want to mess with older wide
receivers at that point. So yeah, I get younger, I

(24:39):
would say, especially if you're not contending with t mac.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Fit's just go to the running backs.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
All right. Yeah, So I am going to go with
Tony Pollard here he is running back twenty five and
ECR running back thirty three. For me, he used to
be this high efficiency passing down back and back when
the Cowboys still had Ezekiel Elliott's Pollard averaged over his
first four NFL seasons five point one yards per attempt.

(25:09):
But like, that's the thing about being a passing down back.
When you run, it's off and against light boxes, because well,
defenses are expecting the pass and you get these pumped
up efficiency numbers, and well, Pollard was a pretty good
pass catcher in those years, he wasn't really a difference maker,
never had more than thirty nine catches or three hundred

(25:30):
and seventy one yards. Pollard got his big chance though,
with the Cowboys in twenty twenty three, after Zeke had left,
and Pollard finished RB thirteen in PPR Fantasy points overall,
only RB twenty three in PPR Fantasy points per game,
and the efficiency disappeared like He averaged a career low

(25:50):
four point zero yards per carrying a career low five
point seven yards per catch in twenty twenty three, only
scored six touchdowns, and there was speculation that heading fully
recovered from a fractured left fibula he sustained in the
twenty twenty two playoffs. That shouldn't really been an issue
last year, his first year with the Titans, but again,

(26:11):
Pollard was just okay. RB twenty one and PPR scoring
RB twenty two and PPR points per game, four point
two yards per carry, five point eight yards per catch,
eh five touchdowns. I mean, he's twenty eight now, so
he's sort of moving into the past prime phase of
his career and we haven't gotten the big season in
a lead role that we were hoping for. So Titans

(26:32):
head coach Brian Callahan's kind of talking about wanting to
get Ty J. Spears more involved. I just I don't
understand Pollard's ZCR. I think he's probably someone dynasty managers
should be looking to move on from while he still
has a little bit of trade value.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Bogwin for you. Tony Pollard is RB twenty five? Is
that too high to lower? Just right?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I have meant twenty six, So I think he's about right.
And I'll say this, I like Pollard for this season
because I think he's a better back than Spears. I
think this Spears being involved is overrated, but Pollard is
not good enough to you know, there's good running backs
coming in the class next year, and I don't think

(27:13):
him or Spears are good enough that if they draft
Nick Singleton or Jeremiah Love or k Tron Allen or
Malchi Hughes like one of these good backs that's going
to be in the top of the board. These dudes
aren't getting carries next to fresh legs coming out of
college like that. So I think the long term, these
guys are both a little bit better than a jag,

(27:34):
you know what I mean. And I think there's a
lot of situations like that. We'll get to some a
little bit later. But yes, I just I think getting
out from under a guy like Tony Pollard, who could
have a good year, I think maybe the best time
to trade him would be middle of this year. If
he's getting a decent amount of run, then trade him
this year because I just don't think he's going to

(27:55):
He's not very protected. He's not good enough to avoid
being replaced.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, if I can just add on like I do
think maybe he could have a better year as a
runner this year because the Titans did have a lot
of offensive line injuries last year. They've added Dan Moore
and Kevin Zeidler.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Cam More just you know, making it so they don't
have ten in the box every time.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yes, should be best. Yeah, he could be more efficient
as a runner, But I also do kind of worry
that TYJ. Spears might own the passing downs this year.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think he's the better pass catching back.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Let's go to your running back here, bagman.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yes, Aaron Jones, this one is pretty easy. I think
I may have said it before on this podcast, but
right now his ECR is RB thirty two. I don't
hate that for this season, but he had a career
high three hundred and six total touches last year, and
they added Jordan Mason, and this Minnesota offense last season
fourteenth and rushing attempts under Donald, they were twenty eighth

(28:50):
and thirtieth in their first two seasons. Their rushing percentage
is very, very low. Typically it might still be high
this season with you know, a first year starter in
JJ McCarthy under Helm here. So maybe it looks somewhat
similar and more balanced this year like it did last season.
But the idea of this offense and why you have

(29:13):
Jefferson and Hawkinson and Addison and you keep drafting guys
like you know Naylor and ty Felton right like, you
keep adding to this classes because this is going to
be a high passing heavy offense. And Aaron Jones is
a little bit older for a running back. They traded
for Jordan Mason. I think the rushing attempts are going

(29:36):
to slip this year, and even if they don't slip,
they're going to be way more split because Jordan Mason
is obviously way better than ty Chandler, who, like fetch
I kept wanting to happen and he didn't happen. But
you know, I think just Jordan Mason pushes Aaron Jones.
I think we see a good year that he's coming
off of and know that he's a really good back

(29:57):
when he's out there, but he's old, he's breaking down,
and they're adding youth behind him, and this offense should
go to a pass year, a passing, heavier system this
year and in the future. I just want to get
out from Aaron Jones, if I can.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Fits. When you think about Aaron Jones, is he somebody
that if you're a contender, would you be on the
other side of this and say, like I'd be willing
to give up a pick to try and you know,
go win a title this year, even understanding the age
and everything, or are you more along the side of
bogmin where you'd rather be on the selling side of that.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, I mean I would be willing to take him
for a pick or a young player, and it's because
I don't think Aaron Jones should be real expensive in
the trade market, and we do have a bunch of
young players with commenser at values in the trade value chart,
like Kyle Williams, Jalen Knowle, Jalen Milrow. If you want
to take a shot at a quarterback Mason Taylor, those

(30:53):
guys are all in line, and that sounds exactly like
what you should be targeting if you're a rebuilding team
looking to trade Aaron Jones, as you should be. But
as far as like wanting him for this year, I mean,
I would maybe take issue with Bogman's contention he's breaking
down since he's coming off the ear in which he
played all seventeen games. Yeah, he did have an amped

(31:14):
up workload. I think Mason Taylor is going to ease
his workload a little bit or excuse me, Jordan Mason
this year. But man, I mean, I've watched Aaron Jones
play for my Packers for a long time. I watched
him play for the hated Vikings last year. He's just
good man.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
He's and I liked him better than Jamal Williams.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, and now he is in Now he is in
a Kevin O'Connell offense, And you know, I might not
like the Vikings, but I have to admit that Kevin
O'Connell pretty much walks on water with what he can
do with an offense. And I just think the jan
Carries though Jones and Jordan Mason could both be valuable
this year for fantasy.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
By now, most of you have probably heard of Reality
Sports on Line, the powerful fantasy sports platform where owners
get to build and manage their fantasy team like an
NFL general manager. But the question is, have you tried it?
It's time to go see what all the buzz in
the dynasty community is about. Free agency, multi year contracts,
a rookie draft, multi team trades, franchise tags, contract extensions,
first round rookie options, automated contract and salary cap functionality,

(32:19):
and much much more. I think it sounds complicated. It's
not the best thing about Reality Sports Online Fantasy front
office that it doesn't take any more time than a
standard league. It just requires more strategy. Think you're among
the fantasy elite, Well, this is the platform to test
your metal Still not sure. You can test out your
general manager skills for free in a mock free agency auction.
If you like what you see, use promo code Fantasy
Pros to receive a ten percent discount on your team

(32:41):
or league today. That's promo Code Fantasy Pros to receive
a ten percent discount on your team or league today.
Fantasy just got real at Reality sportsonline dot com. All right,
fits your tight end well.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Since I was just saying nice thing about the Vikings
or at least Kevin O'Connell, I'll go back on that
and be smirched TJ Hockinson and we've talked about Hockkinson
on the show before. I just right now ECR has
him ranked ahead of Colston Lovelin and Tyler Warren, which
I think is just insane, you know. But I still

(33:16):
think that all the Dynasty trade calculators out there and
the trade value charts, including ours, have Hockinson overvalued. Like
I'm just I think he is being over repraised right now.
Like he's going into his age twenty eight season. He's
at a major knee injury a torn ACL and torn MCL.
In late twenty twenty three, he has to share targets

(33:38):
with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. And while I think
we're all cautiously optimistic about JJ McCarthy and what he
might be able to do in Kevin O'Connell's offense, we
don't know for sure whether McCarthy will even be adequate,
let alone a quarterback who's capable of supporting three fantasy
relevant pass catchers. And oh, by the way, Hockinson has

(33:58):
never scored more than six touchdowns in a single season.
So I just I have not understood the price on TJ.
Howkinson ever since the injury, Like I kind of think
that was the crest of his career and now it's
just gonna be all downhill from here.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I had to like, pull us, I thought you were
wrong when you said that he's higher than Warren in
Loveland and ECR. That really surprises me. I am like,
I'm not saying that again.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Worm. I had that same thought, dude, I was like,
is he looking at I was like, there's no way
that's correct, but it is correct, and I'm seeing that
now and I find that stunning.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I'm like, like, again, I'm not saying he should be
like ten spots lower amongst tight ends, but Warren in
Loveland's like to me, the only tight ends with the
case ahead of them. Those guys right now are Bowers
with Bride, Laporta, and then Kittle. If you're a contender,
like I do not see a case for anybody else,
including Howkins and ahead of this. That's really surprise. I'm
glad you brought that up, Fits, because that really surprised me.
So Bobman, clearly you agree.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, I'm you know, I feel like I have where
do you have him? Fits?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Where do you say you have tight end nine?

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I have him at seven, but I definitely have Loveland
and Warren ahead of him. I go Bowers, McBride, Laporta, Loveland, Warren, Kittle.
That's how I have it. So yeah, I think he's
clearly third, right, Like it's Jefferson and it's Addison first,
then it's probably the running back, and then it's Hawkinson.
So he's the fourth option on that past heavy team,

(35:25):
which is a nice thing to have in a tight end.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Oh so what about ty Felton, Okay, he's probably fourth.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's tyeel ty Felton could be good. Look, he could
he could pass it's not. It's within the realm of possibility. Worm.
I would say it's maybe a one percenter, but it's
in there. It's it's got a what if on Marvel
at least I know that what if ty Felton was
the third option here. But yeah, look, Hackinson, I'm just
luke warmont He's coming off an injury. The system is nice.

(35:54):
You know. If Addison keeps screwing up, then maybe he
goes back to number two or something. But I don't know.
I'm definitely not taking those upside tight ends the rookies
from this year over him. That could be a massive mistake.
We know tight ends. We were all in on Dalton
kin Kaid, you know, and it has not worked out,
so that tight ends are finicky. I understand that, and

(36:14):
we've seen Hockkinson have success in the past. But I'm
very lukewarm on him.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean, these were better tight end prospects than Kincaid was, though,
I think, but I think so too higher in the
drafts h and I like for me like Hockinson, I do.
I think you can squint and see the case for
if you're a contender, this might be a good year
to have him because I mean Justin Jefferson had like
some of the hamstring stuff at the start of camp.

(36:39):
Jordanadison we know is going to miss the first three
games of the season.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Tight End is a first year starter safety blanket.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, another year removed from Hawkinson's major injury to that
happened late in the season.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
That you can death by a thousand cuts anything really
like you can make an add up and stack the
narrative you can.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Twenty eight is also like four tight ends. That's often
like tight ends will break out around that age at times,
like it is a position that takes longer. So like
I do think there's a case for Hockinson. Again, I
don't think there's a case for him ahead of Warren
in Loveland. I just think those guys are strong enough
prospects in strong enough situations that I don't think you
can make a very strong case for that. But I

(37:16):
think you can make a case for Hockinson as somebody
being worth buying in a very specific, specific situation of
you really need a tight end and you're a win
now team, because I see the case for this year.
But if it's when you're looking to sell Hackinson, what
are you looking to get in return.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh so, yeah, he's interesting because I don't know if
you're selling him to I guess maybe you're trying to
sell him to a win now team. And man, so
his value on our Dynasty trade value chart in non
tight end premiums forty, which is akin to guys like

(37:53):
Trey Harris, Luthor Burden, Jaden Higgins. But man, I don't
has anyone taking TJ. Hockinson for those guys, like I doubt.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I think you have to be like a really deep
receiver room who is win now and doesn't have a
tight end like it would have to be I.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Think there, I can't. I guess those rookies would be fine.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
But yeah, I mean that's that's the kind of thing
I'm probably going for. I suppose he's more of a
win now target. It's just I think Hockinson is talented
and had the injury not happen, I'd be a little
more accepting of his current cost. But man, the combination
of injury, advancing age, and just the target out look

(38:35):
in Minnesota has me pretty Bearishop.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I think I'm a little higher on Oxton. Then you
fits like like when you say tight end nine, that
does seem low to me, but it definitely should be
lower than tight end five. He should not be ahead
of those.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Should he be ahead of Tucker Craft?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
To me, that's like a good back to back. I
would probably lean Hockinson, but I wouldn't like dig My
heels in if you wanted to go in the Craft direction.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I have them seven to eight. I have Howkinson higher,
but I easily put I think.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Those should be that you after that clear like again
Bowers mcbridel, the port of Kittle, Warren Loveland in some order.
I do think Hocketson and Craft should be the next two.
Me too, the guy ranked after those two, after uh, well,
after Tucker Krafts, I should say down at tight end
nine in ECR is David and Joku. That's your pick here, bagman.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, and I like in Djoku, but there's there's a
we're gonna death by a thousand cuts this dude too,
because they added Harold Fannon, who plays the same position,
but it's definitely more of a slot, so they'll get
they'll both be on the field together. But if they're
both on the field together, then Fannin is going to
be running the route and Ninjoku is going to be blocking,
which because he's a good blocker and they've asked him

(39:41):
to do it before. And I always keep going back
to this example of when they drafted Harrison Bryant and
they had him running the routes and then Joku blocking.
I feel like we're gonna get a little bit of
that with Harold Fannon. Now. I think at Joku is
too good to be relegated to that primary blocking only role.
But you know, last heies forty fourth in yards per

(40:02):
reception fortieth and catch percentage thirty ninth and a dot.
This is a lot of because of bad quarterback play.
But he's third targets per game thirty second, yards per
route run thirty ninth in YAK, per reception thirteenth in YAK.
Overall is just not good enough for a tight end
that's getting the ball at his volume. So and he

(40:22):
was first in the end zone targets and he only
had five touchdowns. Right again, horrific quarterback play. But when
is that changing. It's not changing this year, Nojo, It's
Joe Flacco or one of the seventeen guys they have
behind him right now. And apparently Sanders is starting the
first preseason game. And then Gabriel is going to start
the next one or vice versa. However they gonna end

(40:43):
up doing.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I'll tell you this just quickly. On that point, Bog mean,
I'll be a lot more interested in Joku if Flacco
is the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Me too, and it should be for at least half
this year. But when they're bad, worm Flaco is not
starting back half of this season. If they start one
to seven, what is the point of having Flacco started
any of these games? You know what you have in him.
Let the kids go out see what they have, you
know what I mean, Like it's gonna be a bad
year anyway, you might as well tank for one of
these awesome quarterbacks at the top of the draft next year.

(41:12):
So if you get halfway through the year and Flacco
is not winning games, then they're gonna go to the
young quarterback, which may that might benefit in Djoku because
maybe it's all short passes at that point. I just
the uncertainty of quarterback. This offense being first in pass
attempts pass passing percentage last season because they were so miserable.

(41:34):
It's also going to take away the volume that in
Djoku had last year. So I think a drafting Judkins
and Samson, I think they're gonna want to run the
ball way more specifically because of the bad QB play.
We have no idea when this badqla QB play is
going to, you know, be corrected or fixed. I think

(41:55):
I'm out on David and Joku moving forward. I just
with them adding Harold fannin. You know, we know that
Jerry Judy is gonna get more instead of Tillman moving
forward in this offense and then wanting to run the ball.
I think a Djoku might take a large hit this
season and moving forward.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, and truthfully, like, I've never really been inn Djoku guy.
I know he's had good flashes of course, and it's
super athletic and everything, but he's just never been a
tight end that I target in any of my Dynasty rosters.
So I can't sell him because I don't have him
anywhere I fit's what do you think about in joke?
Is he one of those guys that you have ahead
of Hockinson with having Hokinson so low or is he
not one of those guys?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Let's see I have him ranked. No, I've got him
behind Hotkinson even though and he's actually a little older
than Hockinson, which is weird, but he's not really an
old tight end yet, even though he's played eight NFL seasons.
Nidjoku just turned twenty nine, which is kind of interesting.
He did come into the league really young, I guess.

(42:56):
So I agree in principle with what a lot of
Bogs is saying. But I do see some appeal for
this year if it is Joe Flacco. But yes, that's
the thing. It doesn't really behoove the Browns, who are
clearly in rebuild mode to play a forty year old
quarterback for the entire season when they need to audition
Dylan Gabriel and Shido or Sanders to see what they

(43:19):
have there.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
I almost think for the fans, Fitzy, they need to
let Sanders start some games and be miserable so that
the fans aren't always saying, well, why don't you give
Sanders a shot? Why don't you give sand Just let
him be awful so that they'll shut up.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
They do have to find out what they have with
those two they do. They have the extra draft pick
now that they got from Jacksonville in the Travis Hunter trade.
They have their own pick, which is probably going to
be high in the draft, and it looks like a
pretty good year for quarterbacks next year in the draft.
So but the only thing is, at the same time,
we saw Nidjoku smash with Joe Flacco down the stretch

(43:56):
in twenty twenty three. I mean, listen to some of
these lines. Six ninety one with two touchdowns, ten for
one hundred and four with one touchdown, six for one
hundred and thirty four. Like that was all in a
four game stretch.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
With Jameis Winston throwing sixty six passes a game or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Right, No, that was with uh, that was with Flaco.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
That was oh with Flaco, with Flaco.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, So like the Flaco Nijoku combo has cooked before.
And so I don't know if we're getting that early
in the season. I mean, I guess there is some
appeal to selling high and uh, you know we're on
a Dynasty pod.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
You talking about the Joku Flaco stack, FITZI, what's happening
right now?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Just just make sure your trading partner gets to know
about some of those statlines that Nijoku put up with
Flaco in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
How about this, FITZI, would you rather hold on to Djoku,
let him have a good couple weeks with Flaco, and
then try to ship him. Is that a better Do
you think that's a better strategy for Njoku specifically, or
if he's good with Flacco, do you want to hold him?
Because look, if they add Dustmeyer, they should be a

(45:08):
high passing offense, right, Like, is that something you could so,
I'll I'll give the whole range of outcomes for a
guy like in Ndjoku. But my my thing is, I
see you add a guy like Fannin, you have no
good quarterback play. It's a question mark moving forward. And
he's you know, he's not old, but especially for a

(45:28):
guy that's been in the league for as long as
he hasn't done so much blocking, it's probably a lot
of mileage on his body.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, I say let him cook with Flacco and then
move Okay, yeah, that's look what they have a wide receiver.
I mean, it's Judy who knows if Deontay Johnson makes
the team or if he has anything left. Cedric Tillman,
who we still don't know enough about, like Nijoki is
gonna get targets. I think even if he isn't sort

(45:53):
of that blocking role. I mean, we'll see how much
Fannin plays.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
He might not play at all.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I mean, I love, but yeah, I'm still in wait
and see my I think twenty five.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Chial report from camp was that fan and is kind
of behind right now, so he might not play, you know,
a lot at all this year.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
All right, let's go to your guys. Is single favorite
seale candidate at any position fits start us off.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
If anyone is still buying Brandon Ayuk, I'm selling and
he is in ECR. Has n't met wide receiver thirty four,
which is ridiculously high in like the trade calculators in
our Dynasty trade value chart. He's more like the mid forties,
which is a little more reasonable. I've got him a
wide receiver sixty like he was wide receiver twenty four

(46:38):
and PPR points in twenty twenty two, tied for wide
receiver fifteen in uh PPR points per game in twenty
twenty three. That was his high watermark twenty twenty three,
when he ranked number one in yards per target, number
two in yards per catch, number six in yards per
route run. The efficiency was just insane that year, but
Ayuk only averaged six point six targets per game in

(47:00):
twenty twenty three, like his one hundred and five targets
that year ranked thirtieth among wide receivers. And for Ayuk
to continue to provide anything close to wide receiver to value,
he would have needed to either grow his target shair
or just keep being freakishly efficient. And I would certainly
bet against the continuation of that sort of efficiency. So

(47:23):
but then Ayuk towards ACL, MCL and meniscus last year
just a devastating injury. There's still no timetable on when
he's going to be back this year, possible twenty twenty
five as a lost season for him. He's twenty seven
years old. Now, I just think he's kind of an
easy fade. And look, I mean I Ayuk has just
never been a target hog, and is he going to

(47:46):
be a high efficiency receiver post knee injury. That's what
I'm worried about. And yet I think there's still like
some name brand value where you might be able to
get something for him in a deal. I would sell
while the selling is good, bagman.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I don't have him that low. I think sixty is
I mean that is you're putting your money where your
mouth is right, Fitzy, like sixty is low. I have
him at thirty nine or forty somewhere hovering around there.
Let me just double check. I think it's thirty nine
I have Ayuk. So yeah, look, I think that you're
right in the possibility that you know, we don't know

(48:25):
when he's coming back major injury. I'll also say, like
his upside was with you know, the peak of Debo
and Christian McCaffrey on that team, so he's like clearly third.
I don't think Christian McCaffrey is the same guy. Obviously,
Deepo's gone. You still have Kittle there as well, and
Ricky Pearsol's in as sending talent. So I think I'm
lukewarm on Brandon Ayuk. Where I have him, I well

(48:47):
below you said he was what's his ECR? Did you say,
Fitzy thirty four?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, I'm way below that obviously, at least half a
round below that in Chills wide receivers. So I'm probably
a couple rounds off of where Ayuk is is going
in most Dynasty drafts. But I don't know. I don't
want to bury him, but you are right, this is
a major knee injury and you just never know how
a dude is going to recover off of that. And

(49:12):
this season he's likely to start the year on the
pup and miss at least the first month. Like you said,
who knows after that? Like you know, this is the thing, people,
These knee injuries take a year. They take a full
year to be one hundred percent from. You can play
at eighty percent, you can play at ninety percent, but
they take a full year to recover from, at least

(49:32):
at the.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
At least ACL mcl Meniscus is the unholy Trinity. Yeah,
I would say more than a year.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
We're still waiting for Javante to become the same guy, right,
Like Javonte Williams looked really good. He had the same
type of horrific knee injury, and we're still waiting on
him to come around. So, uh, I don't mind selling
Iyuk at all and definitely lower than ECR. I don't
know if I would crush him like Fitz he does,
but I understand it absolutely.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Bogman, give you your single favorite sell candidate and kind
of put multiple guys in here, even though it's speech
is one.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Annie Jaguars running back sell them all, is what I say.
If one is good this year, sell him. I still think,
in my opinion, I think Travis Etn is still the
best running back that Jacksonville has. Last year he was
awful and Tank Bigsby beat him, and Tank Bigsby cannot
catch a pass like he's a zero in the receiving game.

(50:25):
So you know, if you're drafting Tank Bigsby, what you
want from him is the best that we've seen from JK. Dobbins. Right,
that's his peak. It's not a very good peak. It's
not a draftable peak. In my opinion, Touton is a
complete unknown. I'll say he has a leg up here
because he was drafted by the current regime, so they

(50:46):
clearly do like him. He'll get a little bit longer
of a leash, but he is guaranteed nothing. Etn has
been banged up, obviously missed his entire first season. He's
played a lot of games at less than a one
hundred percent, and he was very inefficient last year. Do
we want to put some of that on? Look, this

(51:06):
guy started his career with Urban Meyer and Doug Peterson
and Trevor Lawrence. Has never lived up to his hype
and all of that we can, but at some point
it just does not matter, and I think the point
is already over. I don't like any of these running backs,
not drafting any of them, and I think that there
are so many players that will come out in next

(51:27):
year's draft that the Jaguars can draft or sign to
replace all of these dudes. So I'm just not going
to be investing in the Jackson Jacksonville Jaguars running back
room at all.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
In Dynasty, Fitz, are you also viewing this backfield as
a good one to be selling from, regardless of which
name it is.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I mean, I'm just not that interested in having Tank Pigsby,
even though his rushing metrics were really good in things
like yards after contact perkerry and mistackles forced last year,
just because he doesn't catch passes and in PPR dynasties
here can Yeah, And now that he is seemingly winning

(52:08):
the race for the starter's role, like that does sort
of take a bite out of the value of ETN
and Tutin, assuming Bigsby does have that starter's role. The
only thing, like, I'm not totally ready to give up
on ETN just because I want to see if he
maybe if that sort of wide zones. Uh, yeah, I

(52:30):
think it's kind of a wide zone scheme that Liam
Cohen is running, like if that's maybe a better fit
for ETN this year, because his rushing metrics last year
were bad, Like he was underwater in rushing yards over expected.
He was like minus zero point two eight per carry.
Not good. And Tutin you know, like I do think
a lot of the people who follow the rookie stuff

(52:54):
when Gaga over him, like they double counted his speed.
The attractive thing about Tuton's prospect profile pre combine was
that he's fast. Then he clocked a really fast forty
time and everyone's like, I'm moving him up to RB
six right behind like the Big five. Well, yes, we
knew he was fast and was gonna run fast. Don't
double count it. But he is interesting just because like

(53:15):
it's it's.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
The new If I'm rostering one, it's twud.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, it's the new regime that tabbed him as a
guy they like. Although granted they didn't do it until
day three, you know, fourth round, so it's not like
they went way out over their skis to acquire him.
But he is at least somewhat interesting. I haven't gotten
him in any of my rookie drafts because there were
always people who liked him more than I did. But

(53:42):
I do think he is somewhat interesting. He wouldn't be
a sell for me.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I guess let's open up the mail bag here to
wrap up the show. These questions are coming from Twitter
slash x, but if you want faster replies from us
or other diehard fantasy players, joining our chats, amas and
stages on discord at fantasypros dot com slash chat is
the way to do that. I actually want to start
with a question that we did not get on the
main account, but that was sent to me this morning
that I thought was an interesting rookie draft question that

(54:07):
I wanted to loop you guys in on. This comes
from at aged Cheese eighty two, which is a great
handle got a rookie draft question for you. He has
the one oh four, Jent, Hampton, and Tet are all
off the board. He is not a Travis Hunter fan,
so he doesn't want to take Travis Hunter. He's wondering
should he pick Travhant Henderson and mechag Buka or cam

(54:27):
Ward to the two QB league. But here is the
catch that makes us really interesting. If he doesn't make
a pick, he can pass, he gets the one oh
one next year. Does that change whether or not you
guys would pick Travan Henderson, who I know Fits really likes,
a mechag Buka, who we all really like. Cam Ward
in a two QB league makes sense. But again, if

(54:50):
you don't pick, could be the one on one. That
could be arch Manning, it could be anybody. It's whoever
the best player is next year, Would you guys make
a pick, and if so, who would it be? Either
of you?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I'm taking cam Ward in a two QB league. You
said this is twelve team.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He didn't mention, but I would say I would assume
ten or twelve.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
We're gonna assume it's twelve. Right, two QB league. Everybody
needs to start two. That's thirty six. Math doesn't add up.
Give me a starting quarterback in the NFL for years
and years. So I love the idea of skipping this
and getting number one overall next year, But I always
go back to what Fits has told me, and you
have to wait a full year that you have to

(55:31):
take that into account of what that counts against your team.
It's a full season of zero production. So I would
rather have Cam Mooard take the risk because I think
also if cam Ward is good, you can trade him
for you know, something of comparable value to the first
pick next year.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Well, I also do take to that point like it
being a weaker class next year, at least the way
we perceive it right now, I don't think that matters
as much if you know you're getting the one oh one. Like,
to me, that is maybe impactful if I'm trading for
a general first round pick, that it could be later
in the draft and therefore a lack of depth could
really hurt me. There will be somebody that we are
really interested in at the top of draft.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Because if you didn't need cam wod this year, you
were getting genty So yes, perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, that's the thing. There's no real, obviously sexy prospect
sitting there for twenty twenty six. But man, this rule,
how many people are going to be racing to waive
their twenty twenty six first round draft picks in this
rookie draft to get a shot at Jeremiah Smith twenty
Better close up this loophole in this league real fast. Yeah,

(56:34):
I think I agree with Bogman. I just take cam Ward.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I responded. This was a few hours ago that I
got this message, and I did say Ward is probably
the correct pick, even though I do really love both
Henderson and Igbuca. But I said that Ward was probably
the pick for me as well. So we were not
saying it emphatically, but we are saying it unanimously.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Question.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, it's a great question. It's really fun wrinkle like that.
I don't know if I would like that or not
in one of my leagues, but it's it makes for
a fun thought.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I'd like it if it worked for me.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I'd like it if it got me Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
If I was sitting there at one oh one in
twenty twenty seven and someone jumped the line in front
of me, I would not be liking that rule there.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
No, I would be living if I Yeah, if by
the worst team of that happened. Uh. We got a
couple other questions just in our general mail bag here.
One of the questions I got was Chase or Bijeon.
I don't know if this really is a dynasty question
or not, because that is a very common question for
redraft leagues at the top this year. I would I mean,
I'd love both. Obviously, I would pretty easily say Chase

(57:33):
just giving the weight to the receiver. But we're both
great Bogman.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, I mean all things being cool to ask to
be a wide out. So yeah, cha Silver he wants
to be called Bijon now soon.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I'm gonna keep messing.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I'm going with Chase too, even if you're in a
league where you only have to start two receivers, it's
just wide receivers ten age a little better than running backs.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Next question here is thoughts on this trade offer genty
Stretch and McBride for the four oh seven hurts Kelsey
Tyreek and A. J. Brown. So I'll read that again,
genty Stroud McBride for fourth round pick in a rookie draft.
So a late pick that doesn't really matter hurts Kelsey

(58:15):
Tyreek and A. J. Brown. It's a half VPR twelve
team league.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
We know if it's super flex not.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
It does not mention.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I think I want the first SiGe. Give me one more.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Time, genty Stroud and McBride for essentially, I'm gonna skip
the pick, hurts Kelsey Tyreek and AJ.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Brown Dynasty League, give me, give me the first sign,
give me the young side.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I think you have to take that and granted for
twenty twenty five. I think Side B is a little
better with all those veterans, but like maybe not that
much better if you're.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Downgrading from Hurts to Stroud, but you're getting genty. There's
no other running back in this deal, and you're getting
a top two tight end.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Ride, Yeah, I think you gotta go with that side.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Next one here, how much of a premium over ADP
do you guys put on an older wide receiver or
high volume tight end when stacking them with the quarterback? So,
for example, basically, how much ahead of ADP would you
spend your draft capital to pair if you have J.
Daniels to get Terry McLaurin, if you have Bonis to
get Courtland Sutton, if you have JJ McCarthy to get

(59:20):
t J. Hockinson. Now, some of those guys we talked
about as cells, but I think philosophically we can still
answer the question, Bogwan, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It's a fun wrinkle, But you also, like you know,
when you have the stack, you also have the double
bye week, So I think it cuts both ways. I'm not.
I don't adjust for it, so I'll say zero.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
It's yeah, not much, maybe just a spot or two.
But I know a lot of people, well they're different
philosophies on this, but a lot of people see stacking
as this force multiplier in dynasty. I mean, I really
think it's it's super advantageous in best Ball, in those
you know, underdog contests or or whatever platform has the

(01:00:01):
contest where it's your end playoffs and you are looking
to you know, again, force multipliers the keyword, because if
you have a great week out of a team where
you're stacking players, it can propel you into big money
in those events. But if you're just trying to win
a week in a dynasty league, yeah, I mean sometimes
it can be a good thing. Sometimes not such a

(01:00:23):
good thing, And I don't really go out of my
way to stack in dynasty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Last question, here are mock drafts helpful? Yes, of course
they are. I would highly recommend the mock draft simulator
to give them a try if you want to get
some practice reps in. But then the second part of
the question, number one pick thinking about a hero RB strategy,
what do you guys think about hero RB.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I mean for Dynasty, great, you know, do hero RB
because that's the last thing we want to add to
our roster. Anyway, I think I say it again, worm,
I'm sorry, I'm losing my train of thought.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Number one pick thinking about hero RB strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I mean it's fine, specific specifically in Dynasty, because that's
the last thing we want to add. So yeah, get
every other position first.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Fits.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
No, I think it a if it's a one QB
Dynasty startup. I think taking Bijon Overchase is a bad move.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I always confuse the hero I think. I'm I think
hero is when you take a late guy to be
a hero, not you go heroh Okay, I always screw it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
No, so hero is Yeah, like you take the one
surefire thing and then don't take a strong RB two.
I like that strategy in Dynasty and in redrafts. Frankly,
it's my favorite approach. But when you have the number
one pick, I agree with fits. If it's super flex,
take a quarterback. If it's not super flex, take Jamar Chase.
Don't overthink it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, redraft is fine. Yes, I'm cool with taking Jon
one on one in Redraft I'm an old man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I can't get my sayings right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
It's all good. We'll go ahead draft things up there
if everybody lest I want to hear the comments. What
you guys think about that rule about if you skip
your pick you can get I don't know if it
has to be a high enough pick, but yeah, I
mean yeah, kind of you don't sign your guys, so yeah,
would you in that situation take Henderson, Abuka or cam
Ward or would you hold out for the one on

(01:02:17):
one next year? Let us know in the comments. We'll
wrap up there for Bogman and Fits, I'm Ryan Warmley.
Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next time. Thanks
for listening to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football podcast. If
you love the show, the best freeway to support us
is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,
Follow us on x, Instagram, and TikTok at Fantasy Pros,
and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com

(01:02:39):
slash Fantasy Pros

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Hosts And Creators

Pat Fitzmaurice

Scott Bogman

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Male Room with Dr. Jesse Mills

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}SELL These 10 Busts Before The 2025 Fantasy Football Season (Ep. 262)