Has Tyreek Hill Become A Great Value? | The Best Wide Receivers To Target In Each Round Of Your Fantasy Football Draft (Ep. 1553) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joined today by Pat fitz Morris and by
Jake Seely. Guys, we were running it back just a
week ago. We sat here and we talked about running
backs that we wanted to draft in every round going
through the first twelve rounds in early thoughts about twenty
twenty five drafts. We were doing the same exact thing
today with the same exact crew, but we're talking wide receivers.

(00:22):
We're going to mix up the order a little bit.
Last time we had gave the odd numbered rounds to Jake,
so he got, you know, first overall pick. Fits. Now
we'll get kind of those odd rounds and Jake will
get the even ones before we dive in, though, Jake,
anything you got going on at the athletic.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, nothing.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You have to wait for a little bit. The pre
draft rookies, fantasy comps like I don't try to do
what everybody else does and be like, hey this player
is this player because you know, we're trying to make
it easy for everybody, but I like to do it
from a fantasy spin. But I have to wait for
the Great Dame Brugler because he has to come up first,
so you're gonna get mine a few days later, which
is probably around the thirteenth and the fourteenth. But that's

(00:59):
so say a little brevity, but I was gonna say
more of the fact that like Pat missed the memo
to have like the reddish orange kind of look, kind
of going to that.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, yeah, what the heck?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Hat not my best caller, Jake? When does Dane drop
the monster? Is that coming soon? I mean, there's a
lot to read in just four weeks or so.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's the eighth or the ninth, so yeah, it is
actually next week.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, Dan Bugler does an amazing job with that phenomenal
draft guide and kind of a must read if you're
a draft neck.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It does feel like that time of year. Like we've
obviously been talking draft in the Dynasty Show for a while.
We've been sprinkling in some rookies into these conversations for
a couple of weeks. But now, of course we are
recording this on April first, so calendar has flipped. It
is the month of the draft, so it just kind
of feels that much closer and very exciting and just
a matter of being a few weeks away. Quick reminder
for everybody before we dive into the episode that all
of our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can

(01:51):
be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. All right,
these are a round by round wide receivers to draft fits.
Start us off with round one.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I was tempted to go Jamar Chase here because I
do think he deserves to be the one oh one
in one QB leagues, but not everyone will be able
to draft Jamar Chase. Brian Thomas Junior, on the other hand,
he's going to be available in the latter part of
the first round. Some people might be a little uneasy
about spending a first round pick on a guy who's
only done it for one year and doesn't really play

(02:21):
in a top offense, but man BTJ was pretty convincing
last year eighty seven catches for twelve hundred and eighty
two yards and ten touchdowns two point four or five
yards per route run, which ranked sixth among all receivers
last year with at least twenty five catches, and Brian
Thomas Junior kept pretty good company in the yards per
route run category, only behind Pukinakua, Nico Collins, AJ Brown,

(02:44):
Lad McConkie, and Mike Evans, and just ahead of Justin
Jefferson and Jamar Chase had this fabulous rookie season despite
Trevor Lawrence missing seven games, and in fact, Brian Thomas
Junior's production actually picked up with mac Jones at quarterback.
BTJ had seven or more catches in eighty six or
more receiving yards in each of his last five games,

(03:06):
all with mac Jones at QB. He was just terrific
for fantasy managers down the stretch and in the fantasy playoffs.
And ultimately I think seeing his believing like BTJ is
just really good at getting open, makes tough catches, doesn't
drop many, makes good yardage after the catch. In fact,
I think he was fifth in yards after the catch

(03:26):
last year. And now there's some reason for some cautious
optimism about the Jacksonville offense with Liam cum Liam Cohen
coming in as head coach, presided over a pretty good
Buccaneers offense last season, and maybe he can be the
guy who finally fully taps the potential of Trevor Lawrence.
So yeah, I like Brian Thomas Junior toward the back
end of the first round. I don't think his impressive

(03:48):
rookie season was a fluke in any way.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Jake, what is the point that you're looking to draft Thomas?
Because I think this has been a very common refrain
that there are a lot of reasons for excitement. I'm
totally with fits on basically everything he laid out. Is
he somebody that you're considering like as soon as like
the middle of the first round. Is it really more
like you'd like to pair him with a running back
early round to get him late in the first round.
What's that kind of exact range you're looking at for him.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I would love the end of the first round. If
you go by kind of early consensus, he's kind of
around that eleven twelve pick. I have him as high
as nine. I him right behind I'm on around the
same brown. I have him in front of Nico Collins,
which is funny because I drew a lot of comparisons
to Nico Collins when we came out of college last year.
And my biggest argument, this is why I love this
pick is basically where I'm going with this. If I

(04:32):
had the first round pick, I would have said the
same thing. I have him in front of Melik Neighbors,
and I love Malik Neighbors. But going to last year's draft,
I said, like, Brian Thomas deserves kind of like a
Tier one point five, Like he's just it's kind of
like right there, like almost just as good, and you
can almost argue he's there with him, similar to when
we talked about last week, when I was talking about
Trey Henderson, It's like any other year he would have
been Tier one. It just happened to be, like we

(04:54):
had this gift of amazing talent coming out and as
Fitz said, you know with and without Lawrence, with mac Jones,
what he's been able to do in that offense. I
know people are concerned that they bring in another option,
but what they've done so far tells me that they
might not be.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Too aggressive in their draft.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
But I mean they could shock us from round one
they go and grab Maybe not I would be surprised
McMillan still there, but they I'm going I guess that'd
be round two because the picking super early, they would
have to get McMillan with the first pick. So anyway,
point being is like if they did something like that,
maybe I would slide him back into round two, but
I just think with all the other needs that I
just don't see him going that route. And it comes

(05:31):
down to Brian Thomas's talent, as everything fits said. I mean,
we're talking about top ten and everything target Sherry Yards,
We're out like he went down the list.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I don't need to echo.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It fits just you know, in looking at kind of
this range, obviously there's three running backs that are going
inside the top five. Outside of them, it's all wide
receivers until and this is in our early twenty twenty
five rankings, like I mentioned, up through the first eleven picks.
Outside of those three running backs, it's all receivers, And
there is a stretch from pick six through pick eleven
again in our early rankings, so this could be so

(06:00):
to change words wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver,
wide receiver, wide receiver. Thomas is currently last at the
end of those rankings, behind the guys that Jake just
mentioned in you know Nico and Neighbors and you know
Puka Amanra obviously the big three at the top. But
do you do you think that when we get to
August it will still look like that, or do you
think we will see helium for Thomas and moving ahead

(06:21):
of those other receivers like Jake already has it.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean a lot de pens. As Jake mentioned
on what we see the Jaguars do, whether they add
to that wide receiver corps, maybe add something at tight end,
although I kind of think that's unlikely, but so it's
a possibility. I think there's gonna be a division about
whether people prefer Brian Thomas Junior or Nico. I could

(06:44):
see a big split over that, and for some, including
possibly me, Like, I'm not sure how I feel about
Amanra this year because we already saw him start to
get a little bit of a target haircut last year
with the emergence of Jamison Williams and now no more
Ben Johnson. So like, I don't know, we saw that

(07:05):
Amanra like sort of make up for the fewer targets
with extra touchdowns last year, but like, I think his
value is maybe a little more fragile than it has
been in the past. I still think he's, like, you know,
a solid late first rounder at worst, but I'm not
so sure he deserves to be a mid second rounder.
And I think you could actually make a case for
bron Thomas Junior over Amanra this.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Year, Jake, let's go to round two.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, round two.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I felt like the easy one was Drake London, Like,
that's just the obvious one. And we talked about the
target share with Penn X and it was number one
in the league. I mean, we're talking about almost forty
percent target share, So obviously, I don't know if we're
gonna expect that over an entire season, but thirty plus
percent sure. So I was like, let's do a little
less obvious.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
If we're not going to talk Drake London for everybody, and.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's Tyrek Hill for me. And I'm way over consensus.
As of right now, I don't have him in front
of Drake London, I have him behind him. I have
him late second round. But at late second round, I'm
getting a guy that was just two years ago. We're
talking about in the conversation for the number one wide
receiver last year's drafts. As we were doing this last year,
he was in the conversation to be the number one
pick in fantasy because of what he just came off

(08:11):
of the Dolphins. And I don't want to say twenty
twenty four is completely thrown into the trash. We do
have to acknowledge there are some issues that might carry
over to twenty twenty five for the Dolphins, But the
biggest thing, as we see is the league adjusts to teams,
Leagues adjust to offenses, leagu's adjust to what you're doing.
And the league said, you know what, We're just gonna
sit back and keep everything underneath when we face the

(08:33):
Dolphins and they're gonna have to do everything after the catch,
and between the effectiveness of the offense not getting out
of the gate like expected because of that, to his
injuries again, the quarterback play, Jalen Wattle not being out there,
just the litany of problems you could go down the list.
I mean, they're in the top five with the forty
nine ers of things that went wrong in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I think there's better.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And if I'm going to take a chance on somebody
in the second round who could get back into the
first round value, it's Tyreek Hill because I still think
that even yes, he's thirty one, but he just turned
thirty one, I still think there's a lot left. If
you watched him play last year at times too, not
one hundred percent through a few of those games. Wasn't
the entire season, but there was a few little nickups
there where he wasn't even one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think there's a lot of room for him to
come back and get.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Late first round value, to put him his name back
in the conversation. Not again, I want to put him
in that tier one, but in the conversation with the
Nico Collins and the Brian Thomases and Malik Neighbors. And
if so, if he gets that, then I'm going to
take him late Round two every single time.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Fitz, what do you think about this one? If I
remember correctly, you were very high on Tyreek last year,
I think you had him as like your number two
player a fire more correctly in your rankings. And I
remember talking with you last year about how I just
get a little bit nervous with a guy whose, you know,
skill set is so dependent on you know, to be elite.
Is that crazy speed as he gets into his thirties,
He's of course not thirty one coming off of this

(09:53):
relative down season. So what do you think about Jake
picking him here for a Round two receiver?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
So I'm thinking that it's not necessarily a case of
Tyreek Hill getting older and losing anything off his fastball,
because I don't think that's the case, which makes me
sort of eager to maybe bet on a bounce back.
There were all these circumstances that sort of weighted down

(10:19):
Tyreek last year, including obviously the complete dysfunction of the
Miami offense when Toua was hurt with Tyler Huntley and
Skyler Thompson, and how ugly that offense looked at the time,
and how just every week in the weekly Fantasy rankings
I kept ranking Tyreek Hutt like ten to twenty spots

(10:41):
higher than he should have been ranked. I just couldn't
bring myself to sufficiently drop him in the rankings. But
does that change this year because it seemed like after
Tua came back, there was this concerted effort to not
have him take deep drops. It didn't help that the
offensive line didn't play last year. And will the Dolphins

(11:03):
make a good faith effort in the draft to make
repairs to that offensive line and give two of the
time to find Tyreek on those deeper routes where he
can rack up fantasy points in a hurry. So part
of it I guess I still want to see the
Dolphins do more to address that old line before I'm
totally comfortable. But man, when you, as Jake said, if

(11:24):
Tyreek is falling to the back of the second and
maybe you've started with like Bijon Robinson or Saquon Barkley
in the first round, getting Tyreek at the two to
three turn is pretty pretty appealing at that point.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Where did you say, fits, Where do you have him ranked?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Oh? I think right now, I've got him at the
back end of wide receiver one range.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, he's wide receiver twelve in consensus right now, so
that aligns with that.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I'm in line with that.

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Speaker 1 (13:11):
All right fits. Sticking with you for round three. Who
you got here?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
So I double checked, and I do have Tyreek Hill
wide receiver twelve directly behind the guy I'm gonna mention
as a round three value, a guy who has in
an ECR of wide receiver thirteen twenty nine. Overall, Jackson
Smith and Jigba and JSN had a big time second
year breakout last year. One hundred catches, oney, one hundred

(13:36):
thirty yard, six touchdowns, and that was despite a somewhat
sluggish start to the season. Smith and Jigba had fifty
three or fewer yards and six of his first seven games,
and that included a nine yard game and a nineteen
yard game. He only scored one touchdown in his first
eight games. But then JSN just caught fire down the stretch.

(13:56):
He had a seven game run in November and December
where he had at least seventy four saving yards in
every game. And because well, JSM just became this big
time target earner and a high volume receiver and now
he doesn't have to compete for targets with DK Metcalf
anymore with Metcalf in Pittsburgh. So I realized there's still
some concerns about jsn's usage how much new play caller

(14:20):
Clint Kubiak is going to use Jason in the slot
now that the Seahawks have signed Cooper Cupp, who also
does his best.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Work in the slot.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
But look, I'm not that worried about how an aging
Cooper cup is going to affect Jasn's production. Obviously their
career arcs are headed in very opposite directions. Yes, I'm
slightly worried about the possibility of JSN taking fewer slot snaps,
but he's still a really good bet to return value
if you can get him where ECR currently has him

(14:48):
as a mid third rounder.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Jake, what do you think about I'm curious how you
feel about JSN overall, but specifically what fits was saying
having him right ahead of Tyree Kill. What do you
think about those two head to heads.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's kind of funny that we about that, because today
I tweeted out that, like we were talking about the
Andy Dolton thing, and I'm sure you guys saw on
Twitter today about Colin stir Sanders Andy Dalton. I was like,
I hate player comps for this because like, no player
is exactly another player, I said, but I do the
same thing for fantasy I just talked that's what I'm
doing for my article. But it's funny I'm saying that
to say I smashed JSN to get I like doing smashups,

(15:21):
and mine for him was Keenan Saint Brown, Keenan Allen
and Moron Saint Brown, like you kind of combined the two.
He's Keenan Saint Brown. And I think that's why, like,
I really like this, I actually have him just almost.
I was going to say Fit's almost cheated on my
list because I am at twenty five, almost in the
second round, because I'm fully on board with him with that.
I know a lot of people are concerned about Darnold

(15:41):
in the offensive line and what he looks like when
he has no time in the pocket and how he
falls apart under pressure. But the thing that I do
like is when if it's brought up the fact that
a lot of people are also concerned about the slot work,
I'm not as concerned, not only because I think he
can succeed outside, but I think Cooper Cup at this
point of his care he's amazing at getting open, but

(16:02):
now he's amazing at getting open because he's smart. He's
not exactly the explosive, get opened super quick like he
used to be. And that's something in to go back
to the ama RAA Saint Brown Keenan Allen earlier in
his career that jess n does really well. So I
do think if Sam Darnold is under pressure and does panic,
I think Saint Brown or Saint Brown Smith and Jibba

(16:23):
might be the one that he turns too quicker than Cup.
So I'm not I'm with It's one hundred percent on
this one as well. I told him before we did
this show, I love his list. I have seen all
the picks that I just love his list.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Today.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, we uh, when we were kind of putting you know,
playing a show and putting our names together yesterday, there
was definitely a lot of like, yep, I agree. You know,
if we're on board at that not gonna be too
much natural disagreement on today's episode when we when we
agree with this, would you consider either of you JSI
and like with a late second round pick if you
just feel like, you know, mate, he's not going to
get back to you in the third round and you

(16:57):
really want to is he somebody you're willing to plant
your flat on in that sense it'd take him even
earlier than you have him ranked, either of you.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh yeah, it depending on want's on the board. Like
if we're sitting here because you're talking about consensus and
you're saying, like irving Cook, I'm trying to think, like
a couple more running backs are still on the board,
h and they're like, like running backs are sliding back,
Like you know what, I'm okay with one of those
three or four if my third pick in the third round,
but I want to make sure I get JSN and

(17:24):
don't see him like just go pick before me. That's
kind of like the Tyreek Hill at the end of
the second round, Like why try to push your luck
and getting him into the third If you want your guy,
you want your guy, And I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
What do you think fits?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, same way Jake feels about that. I have him
twenty seventh overall, So maybe it depends, you know, looking
at the people sitting with the first and second overall pick,
what do they have after one round? Who do I
think they might be more likely to leave on the
table for me coming back in the third round. So possibly, yeah,
I might jump him ahead of like one of the

(17:59):
running backs are.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
There, Jake, let's go to round four. This is somebody that,
like I just said, pulling back the curtain, we were
talking about Naves. The very first name you said was
you don't care which rounds you're picking as long as
you get this guy.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I did. And then but I also, as a caveat,
as we're recording this on April first, I saw the
news this morning too that said hoping week one. Now,
this was not hoping week one for this player just
twenty four hours ago. And that was Chris Godwin, Chris Goiwin.
And the fourth is a steal. If he's one hundred
percent in round one like this is egregious to be
in the fourth round. This is somebody who, by the way,

(18:32):
when he got hurt last year, was the wide receiver
one in Fantasy, ahead of Chase, ahead of Jefferson, ahead
of everybody else. And do I think he's going to
be number one again? Probably not, But he's back with
Baker Mayfield. I don't think they're going to overhaul this
offense just because Cohen's gone. They know it works with Baker,
and Baker's probably tired of having the offense changed on
him so much. Throughout his career anyway, but you just

(18:55):
kind of got the band back together. So as long
as he's healthy and we there in one, I would
honestly have him a sign of my top fifteen wide receivers.
I would take him before Mike Evans if I know
he's one hundred percent week one. So just in case
that doesn't happen, I'll just throw out just a disclaimer like, Okay,
you're watching this two months from now, and it's like, oh, Jake,

(19:15):
heads up, he's not ready until week four. DeVante Adams
with the rams that that's your easy pivot if you're
in round four.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I love the pivot. Just for the record, on
Davante Adams, I totally agree with you there. I wonder
where he's gonna end up being on draft day. But
as far as Godwin goes fits, what do you think
about him and the idea maybe even him over Evans
if health is permitting.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
No to the Godwin over Evans, I'm not going that way.
And Jake dropped the disclaimer about the Godwin injury thing,
and yeah, I mean I think I decided during that
Monday night game when I saw Godwin's foot basically dangling
like that that I was probably not going to be

(19:58):
very He wasn't gonna in a lot of my teams
in twenty twenty five. Not that he's so old that
he can't overcome a dislocated ankle, but I mean there
are some other factors that play here to the change
in play caller. Not a huge needle mover, but just
something that might shake confidence a little. The emergence of

(20:18):
Jalen McMillan last year, Not that he's going to overtake Godwin,
but like he was pretty good, and now they've got
a legitimate three man wide receiver corps and maybe the
big one like Baker Mayfield just shattered his previous high
in career touchdowns by like twelve or thirteen, I think,
and I don't know if he's going to be able

(20:39):
to keep up that sort of pace. There might be
some natural regression there due So I'm not really targeting
Chris Godwin this early, which saddens me because like Godwin
in some years has been like my absolute favorite wide
receiver target. But right now, I just don't think the
price quite matches what I think the value is, and
I think there's a little more risk then you know,

(21:02):
you normally get with Chris Godwin, who's been pretty reliable
over the years.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So full disclosure, my internet was cutting out what you're answering.
That's so I apologize if you said this already. I
know you said that you disagree on the idea that
Godwin over Evans possibly Fits. Do you disagree with him
in the fourth round? Also, I think it's a little
high for me personally. Okay, Jake, is this something where
like you feel like like it. Do you feel like

(21:27):
you're going out on a limb with Godwin and you're
like really planting a flag on him? Or do you
think the consensus will be more aligned with you than
they are with Fits.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think that it gets again depending on health, but
I think the consensus will come around to make it closer.
I feel like I'll probably still be the highest. I mean,
as of right now, I'm plus thirteen over consensus. I
have guy one at sixteen in front of Adams Evans,
DJ Moore, Garrett Wilson to go down from there. So
I am clearly way far ahead on everybody else. But again,

(21:56):
we are talking today, we are talking right now, and honestly,
the good thing is that if you are drafting right
now today any of these off season leagues.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You don't have to.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's the biggest thing is like always I want to
preach this, and I know Fits and everybody on this
network does the same thing. Just because I have him
there doesn't mean you have to take them there. Like
I would take him in a round four expecting this
to move by the time we get to August. If
he's one hundred percent round four, it will probably be
plus three or four in consensus. If he's one hundred
percent right now, knowing he's plus thirteen, that means you

(22:26):
could probably wait till round five or even six and
get him in your draft right now. So just because
I'm on him doesn't mean like, oh, go draft him
a round four and take all that risk that you
have to absorb as of today.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, godwins. Godwin's ADP is probably going to be more
sensitive to August news than that of just about any other.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Player I would think fit.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Let's get a round five, all.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Right, Let's go with Davonte Smith, who has an ECR
of wide receiver twenty eight and fifty eight overall, one
of the best route runners in football, good after the catch,
and after finishing with more than a thousand yards in
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, fell short of
that mark in twenty twenty four, but only because he
missed four games. DeVante Smith's per game production was pretty

(23:13):
much right in line with where it had been during
those thousand yard seasons, and he actually ramped up his
touchdown production seven tds in both twenty twenty two and
twenty twenty three. Eight touchdowns last year and only thirteen games,
Smith has averaged nine point one yards per target and
one point nine to two yards per route run for
his career, both very good numbers, and I don't really

(23:35):
care that DeVante Smith has to share targets with AJ Brown,
and I don't really care that the Eagles offense has
been so run heavy because Smith is putting up consistently
good numbers even with those circumstances in place, And if
the Philly offense were to become slightly less run heavy,
or if AJ Brown were to miss time, Smith's value
could really spike. So even if nothing changes, he's a

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safe investment, and they're potentially circumstances that could spike his value.
Plus he's just entering his prime. I think he's a
pretty good and pretty rock solid investment in the fifth round.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Jake Smith in round five.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I don't think it's mispriced at all. I think there's
a perfect spot for him. I actually have him at
wide receiver twenty seven, so I'm kind of in line
with the whole consensus and the biggest thing, you know,
I was just kind of looking up the list right now.
More points per game with the miss time obviously, but
more points per game than Garrett Wilson, Jack and Smith
and Jigba, and you can go down the list from there,
more than DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, like, those are some

(24:34):
big names that people will want to take in front
of him because they might be the number one, or
they might see the target volume that they hope Zay
Flowers all the way down at almost two points per game,
fewer than Devonte Smith, and everybody loves to take some
Zave Flowers. So I think the point being is that
he deserves to be in the conversation with these same names.
But the good news and why I do like to

(24:56):
pick a lot by fits for this, because you're probably
getting them around later than most all of those names
I throw.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Out, Yeah, I'm looking right now at the consensus rankings,
just seeing some of the other receiver names around him,
Like he's one spot at receiver. Well, the Godwin is
in that conversation, but he's like a couple spots ahead
of Jaalen Waddle, who's also a number two you know,
didn't have the best season last year. Jordan Addison also
at number two, you know, Chris Alave has the injury stuff.
Xavier Worthy and Rashi Ris are in that range. Jamison Williams,

(25:24):
like Smith, looks pretty enticing compared to a lot of
those names. I would say, for sure. I do want
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kind of alluded to some of the rookies earlier. Let's
get into one of them here for Round six.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, this is another one that depending on August in
this offseason, I could see that you're not going to
be able to get him in a couple months here
if as expected. As a quick aside before we get
really deep into Teed McMillan is that I love and
hate this offseason while we're waiting for the draft because
as we get these people that are like overthink and
nothing's played, nothing's happened, and they're like moving up and down.

(26:24):
I was like they just got tired of McMillan for
some reason. It's like he was the consensus number one.
He was clearly the best wide receiver. He wasn't even healthy,
Like there's a good argument that he wasn't healthy for
half the season, like one hundred percent healthy, Like he
was playing through the injury that he got earlier in
the year. And you go back to twenty twenty three,
which was why he was the number one. Is like
that season where he just dominated and I'll throw it

(26:46):
a name that he basically did last year even possibly
not being one hundred percent. Was Drake London coming out
of college and half of the season, so you know,
Drake London Teed McMillan. I think McMillan deserves, depending on
his team, of course, to be in the convent of
a top twenty rookie wide receiver, like top twenty overall
as a rookie, and depending on his landing spot, could
even grow from there, just because I think, similar to

(27:09):
Garrett Wilson from the year before, it's like, oh, we
got tired of talking about Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And we just know he's good.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It's like everybody wanted to find somebody else to put
into the conversation. He's clearly the best wide receiver. The
only bad thing is like maybe he ends up at a
spot like the Jaguars, so he's got Brian Thomas, and
that's gonna hurt his target share potential on.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
A team like that.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
But even like, let's just wish cast on a different team,
but like, let's just say that happens as of today,
he ends up with Trevor Lawrence Brian Thomas, He's still
going to be a top twenty five thirty wide receiver
at worst in my opinion. So to get him in
round six again, his stock Can basically, and my opinion
only go up from here. I actually think this is
kind of like his worst case scenario range.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of last year.
And I don't think I don't like Ted as much
as I liked Malik Neighbors a year ago. But I
remember having conversations last year saying, I really want to
draft Neighbors where he's going, because I think this will
be the deepest you ever get him in his career. Yeah,
Like I just was very certain of that. I feel
similarly to Ted. If you're getting Ted in round six,
I really like, I don't understand like where some of

(28:08):
the hate and some of the him falling down draft
boards is coming from. Like I think I saw there
was a mock draft a couple of weeks ago. I
think it might have been from McShay. It was from
somebody who had the Ravens getting McMillan without trading up
in like the late twenties. I'd like, I find that baffling.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I think he's real quest to say about last year, Like,
if we were ranking him with last year as of today,
it would probably be obviously the top two. But I
would say Thomas now third, and the way that we
saw Marvin Harrison players rookie season, I would almost make
a case that McMillan's with Harrison even potentially in front
of him and a Dunsey at this point, he's he's

(28:45):
top five if you even include last year's draft class.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
In my opinion, Yeah, and I super agree to that. Like,
if the landing spot is good, then this even just
goes up. Like there's it's not going down with a
quote unquote bad landing spot. I don't think. I think
this is around the floor. I think it can only
go up. And I love the player, so I'm super
on board at this fits. What do you think about Tet?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Warm, you and I do the Dynasty shows together. You
know that Tet for both of us, I think has
been top three or top two guy in our overall
superflex ranking, so including you know, like above the quarterbacks,
I think for both of us.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So yeah, I like him.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Redraft is sort of an interesting proposition though, because it's
really hard to figure out where he's going to land
and where we'd be excited about his landing spot. I mean,
some of the teams I've thought of as possible fits
like the Saints and Seattle. I don't necessarily love as
landing spots, So as a result, I've given him sort
of this mincing Fredy Cat redraft ranking at like wide

(29:46):
receiver thirty three or something like that, like right behind.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Oh, that's still way over consensus.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
That is over consent, which is weird because, like Jake,
I mean, I think most people would be delighted if
come August they could get tat McMillan in the sixth round. Like,
I think I have a feeling his redraft ADP is
going to settle somewhere higher than that fifth Maybe maybe not, though,
like if people are kind of spooked by wherever the
landing spot turns out to be, if he's either paired

(30:17):
with a suboptimal quarterback or if he's got target competition.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well here, let me do one.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Can I steal your job here for a second war,
and I'll throw it to YouTube because like I mean,
you obviously the rookies as well, but like, let's throw
that out.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
You brought up the Saints.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I don't think that's the worst case scenario.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I think it's not great.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
But let's say tet McMillan on the Saints or Zay Flowers,
which everybody keeps trying to make happen as a top
twenty five wide receiver every single year, which is like,
just don't care about, like just straight up McMillan versus Flowers,
because I would go mc millan in that case. I
just I think Flowers and I just That's why I
wanted to bring it up, is because I think the oh,
he's the number one on the Ravens is still ignoring

(30:54):
how much Lamar shares it across the field versus the
clear number two. Potentially even then number one over a
Lave with the Saints, Like I would just take that
chance on McMillan. I'm just curious your guys opinion on that.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I agree with your premise that Zay does tend to
get overrated.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
A bit in the rankings.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
I think I would still have Zay slightly ahead of
fair Tet, but not by much. And with Warm, you're
probably asking the wrong guy since he's a total Ravens I.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Was gonna say even as the Ravens fan, I actually
think I would say Tet because I like the concussion
history of the Lave is super scary to me, So
there's like a real path to I think tech being
the number one in New Orleans if that's where he
were to go and listen, I'm the like fan of
Derek Carr, but like, I think he can at least

(31:45):
support if the guy's talented enough. I just feel like
every year the best rookie receivers just consistently are undervalued
in re draft leagues. It is, it is every year
it happens. And I believe Ted McMillan is the best
Ricky receiver setting aside whatever Travis Hunters Travis Hunters usage
is gonna be. So like, there are very few landing

(32:07):
spots where I wouldn't be really excited about tet.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well in the Saint's Drew. Like, in my mind, the
comparison to Brian Thomas last year is.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like, oh, well, he's going to a team.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
They brought in Gabe Davis, they have Christian Kirk like
like all from the year before. Sorry, but the whole
point being is like, oh he's crowded. He's probably not
even the number one from day one, and talent wins
out at some point. So I just thought it was
an interesting conversation.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Yeah, I find it kind of interesting that I know
Daniel Jeremiah has the his top three wide receivers all
ranked in a row on his big board, but he's
actually got Matthew Golden one spot ahead of Tet and
then Eggbuka behind both.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
One. Yeah, Like Isaiah Bond was the best wide receiver
in that team the entire time, and it's like, oh,
Golden Rano four two, he's the best, Like, can we just.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yet like the hot I recognize that I am not
as smart as like somebody like Daniel Jeremia. Having said that,
I just don't understand the thought process to getting Golden
the head of Ted, Like, I just think Ted's a
better player from what I've watched.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
He might He's arguably not even the best wide receiver
coming to the team.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
He was just on Like, let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, Well, speaking of you know, rookie seasons for guys fits,
you've got somebody coming off of a relatively disappointed rookie season,
but who was very highly valued coming into drafts.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Last year, and it was a top ten draft pick
last year after a terrific college career at Washington Roma Dunes.
Who is wide receiver thirty four to seventy sixth overall
in ECR and Rome's rookie numbers weren't bad fifty four catches,
seven hundred and thirty four yards, three touchdowns, but there
is considerable room for improvement, and I think reason to

(33:48):
believe we're going to see that improvement this year. O'doonsay
had to share targets with DJ Moore and Keenan Allen
last year. Now Allen is presumably out of the picture
unlikely to be re signed. Odoonsay was also working with
a rookie quarterback, Caleb Williams, who, let's face it, was
pretty mediocre as a passer six point three yards per attempt,

(34:10):
only twenty TD passes in seventeen games. But there is
reason to believe that Caleb Williams and the Bears offense
are going to be better. New play caller with Ben Johnson,
who's had a nice track record of success with the Lions,
and also a much improved offensive line this year. I mean,
the Bears have gone to great pains and free agency

(34:31):
to rebuild that offensive line, which no doubt undermined Caleb
and as a result Rome. So take the discount on
Rome if you can get him in the seventh round
this year, because I think We're going to see the
same sort of second year breakout that we got from
JSN last year in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Would you rather Fits have be drafting Romajinz or Tet
this year?

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I've got Rome one spot ahead of Tet.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
What do you think about that, Jake?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I was gonna say after all that I actually have
a over Ted as of today because I'm kind of
playing like the odds of like it could go bad
for McMillan depending on even worse situations potentially than the Saints.
But I love Donsay like that was one I saw
on the list too, is like I was like trying
to figure out, like, wait, which drown could I potentially
make him in for me? But credit to Fits for

(35:19):
pulling this one out, like the comparison to Jasn as
simple and the fact of like actually different wide receivers.
As you guys know, I actually called Roma Dounsay bigger
Garrett Wilson, Like I just I think his play and
his ability like a lot like Garrett Wilson. He's just
bigger and almost as fast. And so if you think
about that as the number two as you just brought
up for Ben Johnson and what exactly happened, and I

(35:41):
love the JSN because of this. Jays N went to
the Seahawks behind DK Metcalf and Tyre Locket had a
rough rookie season and everybody's like, be patient because he's
behind two good options, probably not going to get a lot.
And what we saw in last year's draft, how far
did Jasn fall? And it's like, exactly what we thought
was going to happen happen, and everybody who's got scared, Well,
we said the exact same thing about a Dounsay he's

(36:02):
going in behind DJ Moore and Keenan Allen in a
rookie offense. Quarterback wise, it's like, just be patient, expect more.
In year two, exact same thing happens, and now Donzay
is falling down the draft boards again. It's like we
called it, and then people are still like, eh, I
don't know. So yes, I actually have a dounsay inside
by top thirty wide receivers, I would take him over
Addison to give you a comparison, what do.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
You think about that one fits Addison or a Danza.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Oh man, let me take a look here. I think
I do have Addison. It's really close I've Addison just
just ahead.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I think fewer questions with the donsay than you do
at Addison at this point. And I know Addison has
the track record, but he doesn't have the quarterback question
and whereas Dounza and Ben Johnson. And the thing I
like you brought about Ben Johnson too is I think
he'll get what we thought about Caleb Williams when they
briefly made their court. So the coaching change to Thomas Brown, yay,
got Caleb Williams to run a little bit, make quicker decisions,

(36:57):
and then when Thomas Brown had to be forced to
take over a completely kind of lost a little bit
and kind of reverted back to like early season Caleb Williams.
I think Ben Johnson is smart enough to be like, hey,
let's make this offense and let let me drill into
Caleb williams head how to win in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, there's a case that o'doonsay has better circumstances this
year than Addison will. But at the same time, like
we've seen Addison be pretty awesome in the NFL, and
you're sure if he had a little more room to
run as far as targets, But like I have no
doubt that Odoonsay is going to be awesome because when
he was at Washington, I mean, if you threw a

(37:33):
ball anywhere into his orbits, uh, he vacuumed it up
like a roomba.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Basically, he was just.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Put the ball anywhere close to Odoonsay and he was
coming down with it.

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need to take a breath after that.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I should say you should have done the romo doing
say sales pitch for me, worm, I think you did
a better job than I did. I should have just
shut up and let you go.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Thanks to Microsoft for that. We'll let them know they
did a good job with that round eight, Jake, which
we are receive. Are you targeting here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I just want to throw a shout out.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
We did a few shows ago the Juwan Jennings Ricky
piersoul situation with not going on, that's going on with
forty nine ers, and now the Brandon Nayuk news continues
to pop up and sound a little bit more damming
by the day. So if this continues to go that route,
I would I would put Juwan Jennings here, But we
already talked about him at length a few shows ago,
so I wanted to kind of pivot off to one
that you might look at me and say, hey, Jake,

(40:00):
he told me this one. And then the draft happened
and screw you. You have to throw this out the window.
But that's wait for the draft. Just wait a few
more weeks to draft. Is that if McMillan doesn't go
to the Saints rashishihed like, do we so quickly forget
what he was pre injury and just in this offense
and as a top twenty five wide receiver was a gift.
People were running away with the top of their leagues

(40:20):
at the beginning of the season because of him. And
I don't think he's again like a league winner in
the fact of like, oh my god, he's going to
be a top twenty wide receiver all year long. But
if they don't do anything else in this offense with
Chris alve and everything that you look at, can he
put up the Dvante Smith kind of maybe a little
bit lesser in like that wide receiver thirty range where

(40:41):
he wins you some weeks at twenty something points, but
he will be quiet with five sometimes. But in a
wide receiver three, I'm willing to take shots on that
because wide receiver threes that kit you that kind of
upside is more than I want than the guy that's
just going out there to churn out eight points every
single week. That doesn't win me. As a wide receiver three,
the guy needs to have that surprise performance when maybe
somebody else came up dead, so I think she Heat

(41:03):
at this point. It's coming off the injury, the uncertainty
of this team as a whole. This is where I'd
be willing to game on his potential.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
What do you think about this on fits?

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I like it a lot because we were starting to
get the breakout last year, and I think the injury
came just before the full breakout, so that might keep
the price low. There might even be a chance you
can get him a little later than this. But I
actually had Rashid she Heat and the Scott Fishball last year,
and Scott fish for the twenty twenty four fish Ball

(41:33):
gave very generous bonuses for return yardage and I was
getting like some really nice receiving games and some big
return games from Rashid Chihad, and I'm like, man, this
guy's my MVP about five weeks into the season or
until whenever he went down unfortunately, but yeah, this guy
is the real deal. Is the receiver, and he's maybe

(41:55):
a little volatile, like he's big play centric and I
don't know if he's going to be checking in with
five or six catches every week, but the catches he
makes are going to be impactful. Ones, and yeah, I
think down around here like I would love to have Rashici.
He just like my wide receiver four this year.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I think I saw in some scott Fish World drafts
with that scoring he was going in like the third one.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
To one he went. No, he went as the first
pick on one of those drafts.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh, I'd missed that one.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Holy and someone let me have him really lay it,
like at the end of round seven or something like that.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
He was all over the map because of the return.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
After I had him for a few weeks, I understood
why someone took him one on one like he was
tremendously impactful in that scoring system.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Wow, I have missed that. That's wild, all right, fits
This is an interesting one round and I we talked
a little bit about this one before the show as well.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Who you got here Stefan Diggs, And it will be
interesting to see where his ADP settles because number one,
I mean, he's coming off of torn ACL and we
don't know exactly when he's going to be ready. Plus
he's thirty one coming off at torn aclso could be
ready to start the season or maybe it's a handful

(43:05):
of games into the season that he's ready to go.
And the other thing, I mean, Jake just sort of
mentioned Brandon Ayuk in the ambiguity with him, and we
know that the Patriots have been rumored as a suitor
for Brandon Ayuk, which would obviously affect Digs adp if
they wound up together. So on the other hand, as

(43:27):
of now, Digs is poised to be the go to
receiver for young Drake May, who was pretty impressive last
season even with just an awful supporting cast, including one
of the worst wide receiver groups in the league. And
when Diggs joined the Bills in twenty twenty after a
nice stint with the Vikings, he helped a young Josh
Allen make the jump from inconsistent young QB to superstar

(43:52):
like that first season for Diggs in Buffalo. That was
the breakout season for Josh Allen. And even though Diggs
is a little older now, maybe he can help Drake
May take a big step forward. So in the ninth round,
assuming there's no there's no Brandon Ayuk, and assuming we
don't get bad news about the recovery time for Diggs,
I think the price is right.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Jake. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
The interesting thing is we saw last year the big
thing was like the yards per route ron he was down,
and his targets and everything like that. I think that
was a victim of his situation too, just because of
everything that went wrong with the Texans offense and no
protection for CJ.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Stroud.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
But I pulled this up when they made this signing
over the athletic to pull it up, and so ESPN
as you guys know how the open score now, and
he actually saw an uptick in his open score last
year over twenty twenty three, which was a much better season.
And that's the interesting thing is, so you go all
the way back from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two,
he had an eighty plus mark in that every single

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year and then fell off in twenty twenty three and
then jump back up last year even with the lost season,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
So I really like this.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Even if you have to maybe wait a week or two.
If it gets worse news, obviously we'll pivot on this one.
But as of right now, this actually should only go
up just because of the opportunity here. And oh, by
the way, what does vrabel come from. It comes from
that coaching situation, which what did that team love Wes
Welk or Jacoby Myers. What is Stefan Diggs at this
point of his career especially? Oh, just another guy who's

(45:21):
just going to do a lot of damage in the
intermediate game at of the slot and even potentially after
the catch. So yeah, I still like him as a
wide receiver. Three and at this spot this is pure value.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Where do you guys think he's going to be in
August when it comes down to actually draft.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Ooh if his injury like there, it sounds like they're
value situation is not happening. They don't draft somebody in
the first round, maybe Hunter McMillan like anything like, and
they just like they bring in somebody maybe the second
day or something like that. I'm saying all that to say,
and the injury is like fine by week one, he
should probably jump back up into the top twenty five

(45:58):
potentially just because of the volume alone nothing else with
Drake May.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Does that sound right, Tea Fitz?

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Top twenty five, top thirty. I mean, I do think
the Patriots are going to draft someone, but it might
be a Day two pick. It might be someone like
Jack Bash or elk Amn or Jalen Noel, someone like that.
You know what I mean, It's not going to be
anyone who's going to usurp Stephan Diggs. It's the number

(46:25):
one target for Drake May. So yeah, I mean, if
you like May and if you buy into May as
one of the better young QB prospects in the league,
I think you should probably be buying Steph Diggs as
a top thirty guy, top twenty five.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Let's go a round ten, Jake.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
So I'm trying to fill up my ir spot before
we even start the season. It's just look like the
last two seasons have been very frustrating injury wise for
Christian Kirk. And it's funny we're just talking about the
Stephan Diggs, but now Christian Kirk steps into clearly the
number two situation with the Texans, like the situation with
Tank Dell, there's talk he might be lost for all

(47:04):
of twenty twenty five. I know the Houston draft capital
has actually increased a little bit from what they're able
to do, and maybe they surprise us and do draft
the wide receiver despite all their other needs offensive line anybody.
But I think the thing here is when you look
at Kirk and being able to step in here and
what they wanted to get from Stefan Diggs, and we
just talked about that. Kirk went on the field the

(47:25):
past two years has still been Christian Kirk, which has
been a wide receiver three. And I bring all that
up to say is injury risk wide receiver three potential.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
All that aside is that.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
We're getting him around ten.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Round ten.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
We're taking flyers and shots. If Christian Kirk is toast
in week two is one of my early pickups, I'm
dropping him. I'm okay with that because if we get
a healthy Christian Kirk and CJ. Strout gets any protection
this year, this is somebody that everybody was going nuts
for and drafts last year as a top five quarterback
coming off what he did as a rookie with four
thousand plus yards. If we get any semblance of that

(47:57):
offense again and Christian Kirk's the number two, he should
be like like, if you said that was the scenario,
his value would be like a round seven draft costs,
So round ten you're absorbing all the risk and just
saying it's all upside from here, like you don't have
to worry about it. If he's all off.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Season fits, wheready have Kirk ranked.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
I have got Kirk ranked wide receiver, and I'm gonna
have to do some tweaking here because right now he's
ranked a little too far down. Right now, I've got
him like in the fifties, But I'm going to bring
him up like I need to have him higher for sure,
because I do like this situation. Last year, we were
worried about the sort of three receiver log jam they

(48:40):
appeared to have with Nico and Diggs and Dell. And
as Jake said, like, obviously Digs is gone, and I
really doubt that Dell is going to play this year,
or at least certainly not before December. So all of
a sudden, the pap to targets is a little more
clear for the remaining guys and Kirk it's going to

(49:00):
be paired with this terrific young QB. The reason it
didn't work out for Stroud last year wasn't your two
regression on Stroud's part. It was an offensive line that
just couldn't block for him, one of the worst pass
blocking OH lines in the league. I do wish that
they had taken steps to address that so far this
year instead of actually trading the best Ligneman they did

(49:21):
have with Laramie Tunsel. There's still time for them to
fix it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
In the draft.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Although I would worry about any offensive line with like
three rookies starting for CJ. Stroud, So I still have
my concerns with that passing game. But I do think
Kirk is positioned for a nice comeback season after the
injury marred twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, I feel like he's somebody that I will end
up taking a lot of swings on in my drafts
this year, like, especially if the ADP and kind of
those early rankings stay where.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
They are here, I have an one for you. Yeah,
both injury situations, one with a clearly less frustrating qu
quarter back situation, but both considerations with their offense. Would
you guys take a swing on Pittman or Kirk because
I think at the same cost, I would take the
swing on Kirk because he's got c J. Strout where
the Pittman is is even the number one at this

(50:13):
point with downs and who's the quarterback?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Like I think we're saying like it's an open competition
with quotes, But if Anthony Richardson really does continue to
fall on his face, and as Daniel Jones like, I'm
not going to be too excited about Josh Downs or
Michael Pittman.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah yeah, I mean I like Pittman the player better,
but I think the quarterback alone, you'd have to give
the edge to Kirk Fits.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I mean, I've got Pittman ranked higher, but that is
an interesting thought exercise. And now that Jake is posing
the question, I realize they're probably separated by a little
too much in my rankings, and I either have to
move Pittman down or Kirk up, or a combination of both.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Fits. Let's sick with you for round eleven.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
All right, let's stay in the AFC East. It's Keon Coleman.
And this was some unworm I know, you know, I
was excited about a year ago in the eleventh odds,
I think we're getting, excuse me, in the eleventh round.
I think we're getting the right odds to bet on
a second year breakout for Keon Coleman. You just kind
of have to understand what you're getting. He is not

(51:17):
going to be a high volume receiver, but Keon Coleman
can be a big play receiver. He's sort of in
the George Pickens file him. His ball skills are fantastic.
Dude is a big six four rebounder. He did briefly
play basketball for Tom Izzo at Michigan State. Worm just
in case you thought we were going to keep big
ten basketball out of this show, So yeah, he was

(51:39):
at Michigan State. Did play on the basketball team for
one year before transferring to Florida State. And Keon Coleman
does play above the rim. Only twenty nine catches in
thirteen games last year, but he averaged nineteen point two
yards per catch and nine point eight yards per route run.
The Bills didn't really add much a wide receiver in

(52:00):
the off season. They signed Josh Palmer, but they did
not sign re sign Amari Cooper, and Kean is still
only twenty one years old, like he doesn't turn twenty
two until May. There is ample growth potential here and
it certainly doesn't hurt that Keon gets to play with
Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Second year receiver Jake That's a profile I tend to
be interested in, especially somebody who has a degree of
pedigree and you know, talent parts great quarterback like what
Fitz was saying and round eleven, that seems like a
pretty good you know, value to me in a risk
I'm worth taking a swing on.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah, I'll take a swing on him here. Mostly so
I called him like the Charlestings and the tailor two
Cities or tailor.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Whatever what is that's what the name, that's tailor two Cities.
I can't have cities.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, yeah, the best at times, the worst of times.
Because I called him the best of Kenney Galladay, the
worst of Kenny Galladay. That's where I was going with like,
and you saw both of those last year, and that's
really what it was, is like you saw like Kenny.
Let's we joked about Kenny Gallady at the end of
his career, especially with the Giants. But there was some
really good seasons. I know, some of that was the
offense and some of that was the quarterback play with

(53:04):
staff and everything like that. But Kenny Galladay could play
ball for a couple of years. But the concerns, and
that's why I drew the parallel to Keon Coleman, is
that profile wide receiver has a really deep floor if
things don't go right or if some of it's the
wide receiver in his own innate self struggles on the field,
so we saw the both that I still think there's

(53:24):
better for key On Coleman. I think the best days
of Kenny Calladay are in play for Keon Coleman and
in around eleven. Like if you got Kenny Golladay's good
seasons around eleven, you'd be doing victory lass for the
entire season. So I am more than willing to take
that chance in this range because that's that's still in play.
Like I just wanted to bring up the fact, like

(53:45):
the concerns, don't be off put by the concerns, because
that that's kind of what we expected, at least I
expected kind of going out of college.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
And it's built into the price, right. I mean, this
is raft where you want to take a swing. It's upside.
That's that's the play. Speaking of upside, a play that
I really like, and I know if it's a good
talked about him a lot in the Dynasty Show Round twelve,
Jake take us Home.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
So going back to what I said about the drafts,
and there's these rookies and I'm going back to like
and it always has to be Ohio state wide receivers.
For some reason happened with Smith and jegga happen with
Garrett Wilson is like, we just get tired of them
being good, Like that's where and make Egbuka like, what
is the problem with not liking him? Like he is
tier two? He is somebody that I'm sitting here long

(54:28):
and hard. I'll find out by the time my article
comes out about kind of putting him in that Brian
Thomas one point five ish range, Like is he tier
two or is he just kind of like he's so
good and we got so tired of him just being
good that maybe he deserves to kind of almost be
in the conversation with Tech McMillan and I think that's
the biggest thing is people get exhausted of players being good.

(54:48):
They want to find the next hot thing. Matthew Golden,
you brought him up earlier, and it just like, but
what Abuka does is he can go to any team's offense,
anyone I all thirty two tea, and he can step
in as the number two. Is he an NFL number one?
I don't think so, but that's okay. You know who
I didn't think was a number one And we saw
that happen and Quin Bolden what happened when Anklin Bolden

(55:10):
was asked to be the number one kind of fell apart.
He was a great one be but just okay like.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Some wide receivers. I like that honestly. Garrett Wilson's probably
best as a one B. We just saw that.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But that one B on a lot of teams can
put up top twenty twenty five numbers. We talked about
the Devonte Smith and not making that as a player comp.
I'm just saying, we're talking about Devonte Smith and all
these twos that do really well in Fantasy on their teams.
Of course, you slap a Buka on the Browns and
I'm like, damn it, don't talk.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
To me ever again.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
But on most teams he can go out there and
put up those kind of Devonte Smith type numbers. Even
though that's not the same player comp that I would
make for him.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
That's super safe floor with like Buka, probably the safest
floor of any of the rookie receivers. And what you
almost like about him, And I think you know Jake
was talking about this with Egbuka profiling as a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Two.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
This is a guy who has come out of a
program where he has been playing with other great receivers
Marvin Harrison junior Jeremiah Smith, who's probably gonna be the
number one overall pick in twenty twenty seven, and eg
Buka was like still an impactful player with these other
great receivers around him. So yeah, I mean, I love
the guy. I think he's just a ready made slot receiver.

(56:26):
I think he could have a very uh Jackson Smith
and Jigba like career. But you've got a draft JSN
in the third round this year, you can get rookie
Egbuka in a double digit round. And by the way,
about Kenny Galladay, Like he was truly a really good
receiver in Detroit and it wasn't all QB related because
I remember that year where Stafford got hurt and David
Blau had to make.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
My five or six starts really good point.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
And Kenny Galladay was actually a wide receiver one over
those five or six games.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Do you fit's have a favorite landing spot that's realistic
for Igbuka that you'd like to see him go.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I know a lot of people have paired him up
with Pittsburgh, who needs a slot receiver. I mean that
might seem excess of considering they don't have a quarterback
solution yet and they've got you know, two outside receivers
who already might be bickering for the ball. So like
that's the one you hear a lot. I mean I
would have an answer him to the Green Bay Packers
with open arms. I know they've got Jayden Reid, but

(57:21):
like you could play Jayden Reed at z Org Buukha
and z and.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
You actually think lost guys, honestly and unfortunately, Yeah, no,
I think the Giants put him alongside the league neighbors
and hopefully Jamis wins that quarterback battle, but even if not,
like Ruskin, do enough to make like obviously that caps
the ceiling, but like that's what they need. Like Wandel
Robinson great as the number three slot, kind of gadgety guy.

(57:50):
And you know, Darius Slayton most one of the most
shocking contracts that they happened this offseason, but a number
three as in like that Nate Washington, you go deep,
it's you get some big plays, but nobody's there. No,
there is no answer for two right now on that team.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I yeah, I can't say I'd love to fit with Russ,
but I love the thing in that receiver room. I
think he's an idea, an ideal mata.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
You can look at tenth.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Sorry, I was gonna say, Tennessee, if they go cam
Warden put him alongside Calvin Ridley.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah see that, Yeah, I kind of like that Denver. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, there's neat maybe.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Quick recap for everybody. All the receivers we talked about today,
Brian Thomas Junior in round one, then Tyreek Kill, JSN,
Chris Godwin, Devanta Smith, Ted McMillan, Romadoonsa Rashid Shaheed, Stefan Diggs,
Christian Kirk, Keon Coleman, and a Mecca a Buka. We
will wrapping up there. Those are the wide receivers we
are drafting in every round. If you missed last week's episode,

(58:46):
go check that out too. We did the same thing
but for the running backs as well, for Jake and Fitz.
I'm Ryan Warming. Thanks everybody for tuning in, and we'll
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