Should Christian McCaffrey Be Considered A Tier 1 RB? | Fantasy Football Draft Rankings and Tiers (Ep. 1620) - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in friends to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsin. Today we're talking ranks, but
we're also talking tears, ranks and tiers, some early round
advice positionally at quarterback, running back, wide receiver, and tight in.
Asking the big questions and how important are tiers versus ranks? Well,
let's discuss that. We've got Derek Brown from Fantasy Pros

(00:24):
and my best friend Scott Bogman both in the house.
We're gonna be breaking this all down. Should be a
very fun conversation, debro. How important are tiers do you
think because rankings lack nuance because people get like, whoo,
why do you have seven over eight? Like that's usually
that's how they sound when they say it, like I
can't believe you can have. But tiers can provide some

(00:48):
of the proper nuance to the discussion. So that is
what our main focus is today. And how important do
you think that context is when talking about ranks.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, just another important distinction here. We are talking about rankings,
tiers and not what all Pittsburgh Steelers fans are going
to be shedding throughout the season.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
So just to point that out. Oh, I do know.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm not a Saints fan. I've just about my fandom.
It is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It has gone until Mickey Loomis and the other parts
or pieces are gone.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Because you've already cried your tears.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Or had my rage however you want to decide it.
But dude, getting back to it, like, tears are very important.
I think when you're looking at drafting and you're setting
up your team and your team building, you're going through
it and you're saying, how am I dividing up the
ranges of outcomes for these players? And that's how I
divide up my tears, guys that I think have higher

(01:39):
upside than others, where I'm ranking them, and how I'm
formulating those tiers. So if a guy is at the
back end of a tier and then it's like the desert,
whether it's wide receiver, running back, tight end, where have you,
then I'm more likely to take a guy at the
end of that tier instead of playing the ADP Chicken
game and saying, well, maybe he comes back to me.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I don't like to play that game.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So I'm more likely to take the guy that's at
the last part of a tier. And that's where I
think tears are very important because you never want to
get to a spot like, what's the worst thing you
can happen when you get into a draft. You freak out,
you freeze, the twenty or thirty second clock gets you,
and you auto draft. So if you're looking at like
ranges and tiers of players and saying, all these guys,

(02:20):
there's not much difference between wide receiver fifteen and twenty,
I'll take the guy at the end.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And also, the other worst thing you could do is
not be hooked up to Fantasy pros and the draft
simulator and all of the draft assistant make sure you
guys are locked in there, Bog. It's kind of the
same thing. We can just do it really quick where
it's like the one thing I think that really helps
in the understanding of tears because we've done a lot
of talk about ranks on this channel, and you guys
can go and check out all the great episodes we've done,

(02:47):
but tears kind of gets thrown back a little bit.
As I do think the conversation of tears, if you're
accepting of it, helps in not freaking out, like I'll
freak out in drafts and It's like I just lost
a singular player and you're just throwing stuff and kicking
the desk, and then all of a sudden you do
get auto pick. Tears can kind of help provide taking
a little bit of that sting away if you understand,
all right, yes I didn't get my target in here,

(03:08):
but we still have three guys in this range. It's
not like a complete one for one, but I really
can and do think it's going to help the process
for a lot of people and tiering.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
And you know this about me, whilsh We've talked about
this for years. I don't like overall list. I think
tiering by position helps you not only understand the depth
of the position in its entirety. Do I need to
take these guys early because I hate the depth late,
you know, but it also helps within the realm of
where you're picking, specifically early, which is what we're going

(03:40):
to be talking about today. So you know, not only
do tiers help you know, Okay, I don't have to
panic because I still have two guys I like here,
But they also tell you, okay, look, this was the
last guy in my tier.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
He got taken one pick ahead of me.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
I can now move on from this spot or this player,
whatever it is in the draft, and I can adjust
moving forward. You don't have to have that internal panic
even if the clock is ticking, because you know that
you're all set. Tiers can be very personal, right. You
make your own tiers. You make it the way you
want it. This is the way how you know. The
experts see it kind of together. And I like doing

(04:17):
my own tiers because I can set the stage, I
know where to draft.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's so much better than an overall list.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
You guys want to go fantasypros dot Com slash rankings.
You can check out all the different formats we're going
to be using half PPR today and on those rankings
you will see said tiers and it will you know,
and people can change in your own personal rankings. The
experts can if they want to get into the tier
based stuff. This is going to kind of dictate all
of the ECR stuff, what those tiers look like, so
you can peruse check it out for yourself and follow along.

(04:45):
Now before we get into everything prior to the show.
Over the last couple hours that we're doing this, I
think this is going to be some of the first
podcast related reaction we've had on Fantasy pros. But we
have two big kind of breaks in the wide receiver
market to do with court cases with both Rashi Rice
and Jordan Addison, and it came like within an hour,
I think of each other. Let's start with Rashi Rice.

(05:08):
It was reported in ESPN source. I think this was
schefter putting it out there that we were expecting this
to be in January, by the way, that a Dallas
County judge sentenced Chiefs wide receiver Rashi Rice to five
years probation and thirty days of jail time that can
be served over the next five years for his role
in a multi car crash. And the expectations that followed

(05:29):
that is that he is going to serve a multi
game suspension this year. So many people who are not
going into this thinking that the suspension was going to
be served this year because of the January court date.
I mean, let's be thankful that this isn't a month
from now when drafts are really really close. So we
are getting this news, we can kind of react debro
quick reaction. Rashi Rice. Likely in the very near future,

(05:53):
we're going to hear what that is two to four
games is being thrown out. Four seems to be the
number that a lot of people are sitting with. Your
instant reaction, what changes in the ranks, and does Xavier
Worthy get a big boost?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
He gets a big bo zaber Worthy gets a big
boost in the early part of the season when he's
gonna be able to take over or reprise the Rashi
Rice roll that really led to him taking off towards
the back end of last season. Ericson and I dove
through all of that on Fantasy Court earlier this week,
so people need to go check that on YouTube. But Rice,
I bumped down from wide receiver thirteen to fourteen ish

(06:27):
is where I had him. I bumped him all the
way down to wide receiver twenty two. Some of that
is with the assumption, like I'm kind of ballparking like
two to three games. So if he gets four again,
it's a quarter of the season, man, Like, I'm not
that worried about it. I think the bigger news is
that it did raise Exabit Worthy. I'm still much lower
than consensus because I don't think the boost for Xavier

(06:47):
Worthy lasts. I think when Rice comes back, he gets
the role that he had before and gets it back,
and just from the simple common sense aspect of it,
Rashi Xavier Worthy can play the Rice role. Rice can't
do what Xavier Worthy does in that offense and be
a field stretcher. So I think those roles do flip.
Worthy goes back to being the field stretcher whenever Rice

(07:08):
is back on the field.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
It's just a matter of win, not you, Bogs.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had receive Rice really really high, big gap between
Worthy and him. I moved I moved Rice even further
down because I'm assuming four games and I'm not. I mean,
I appreciate you're you're not too worried about it. I
can't dismiss four games. That's massive to have a high,
high draft investment for a guy that you know is
going to miss four games right out to shoot. I

(07:32):
think that has to be that has to be accounted for.
And I put him into the lower twenties, and I
moved Worthy ahead of him. Now, so I moved Worthy up.
I want to say that they got put him around
twenty or twenty one or something like that. Boggs, same
kind of quick reaction. Where does Rice move down for you,
if at all much? And how far does Worthy move up?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, I had Rice at twenty two already, and that
was mainly not for the suspension. But is he going
to start the year on the pup? I mean probably
now right, or maybe not to serve his suspension. I
don't know how that really works, So I just I'm
not interested in Rice. I'll say that I'm gonna have
him downe at like twenty nine, which means I won't

(08:13):
get him in any draft. I had Worthy at twenty five,
which means he'll go ahead of Rice. Maybe I'll move
him up a couple spots like I could see maybe him.
You know what, I probably won't move him. I have
him behind Sutton and I am behind Flowers. I have
him at twenty five, which means twenty four now that
I'm moving Worthy down, so I won't ur Rice down.

(08:34):
I won't be moving Worthy too much. I think there's
too many there's too many different outcomes for Worthy. It
could easily be the hey, look pretty good in the
first half, then they have to switch rolls because Rice
can't do anything else, like Debro just said, Or it
could be like, hey, look Rice came back. He's not
as good coming off this injury. Worthy as great in

(08:55):
this position. We're just gonna leave him there, and he
has an incredible season. Right, there's too many realms of possibility.
So I still want Worthy as like my number one
wide receiver three because I think he's gonna have giant swings.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Big thing is he's going to move pretty dramatically in rings,
so just be ready for that. We're all reacting here
at Fantasy pros. The rest of the rankers will You're
going to see a big drop. The other one has
mentioned was Jordan Addison, so this is another that we're like, Okay,
this is happening. The quote was after careful consideration of
the charges against him and all the defenses, Addison decided
to plead to a lesser included vehicular offense that they

(09:29):
called wet reckless. That's a new one movie. Wet reckless
is new to me. But as a result, he's going
to have a fine, he's got to take some online courses.
There's still a suspension that's expected and that I've seen
like two games being floated around, so it's.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Going to be too then bargained down to one.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And that's a possibility. So is that are you not
making any big adjustment on Addison?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Bugs not moving him.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, I have I have Addison right now, like at
where I have him at thirty two. I'm not moving him.
Maybe maybe in fact, he might even go up. I
mean not because of the suspension. But there's guys I
have ahead of him that I don't really like.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
So Debro, you were shaking your head, same thing. You're
not making the big adjustment.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
No, if anything, I'll do this live on the show
right now.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I think you'll like this.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Welsh, I had him at wide receiver thirty five. If
we're looking at one or two games, I will push
Jawan Jennings above him some dropping into wide receiver thirty six.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Juwan Jennings might not play.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't like that that much right now. Jawan Jennings
doesn't want to be a Niner. Once all that money's the.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Guy's getting magically paid the closer we get to training camps.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Hmmm, interesting all of that.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, so a lot of wide receivers shake up here.
There's gonna be some shake up in the tiers. Like
I said, you can count on where we talk about
Rashie Rice, He's not going to fit into that tier
and move off of it. But those are some instant reactions.
Not as much of a move for Addison, much bigger
move for Rashie Rice. And you know, once we get
some clarity on it, do you had four games for Rice,
one game for Addison. Maybe you're having a legitimate conversation,

(10:59):
who would you rather in this year? Jordan Adison, Rashi Rice.
I don't think that's crazy out of pocket to ask,
So we'll kind of continue following that one. All right,
let's get into some tiers. We are going to be
starting with running backs. We're going to give you the
rank plus the tier, and then we've got some questions
that we're going to just kind of be hitting on
both of these guys throughout, which is going to, you know,

(11:20):
unveil some of their own personal ranks. So let's start
with running backs, and let's start with Tier one, Bijon Robinson,
Saquon Barkley and Jamiir Gibbs Finn. We're done. That's it.
That's the tier now. I will tell you though, an
interesting little tidbit was there was another running back in there,
just like a week ago, and we're going to talk
about that in just a second. But here's the first question, deepro.

(11:42):
We will start with you. Do you agree with the
ECR at all corresponding spots for those three names? So
do you believe Bijon one, Saquon two, Jamiir Gibbs. Do
you like those ranks? And maybe more importantly, do you
like that they're all tier one? I?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I like that they're all Tier one.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I will say that the one guy that I am
lower on here and I do not have in that
top three is Saquon Barkley. And I know people hate that,
I get it. But there was decline in his tackle
breaking metrics. And we know Philly is going to throw
more this year. It is not a question of if
they will, it is a question of how much will

(12:23):
they throw more? And so there's some regression that's baked
in for Saquon without even discussing the volume that he
incurred last year and how legendary that was. So I
have Saquon at RB four. He is not in that
tier one for me, I have asked in genty above him.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay, well, the big thing is you actually just that
was like the third question on there, so you've kind
of uncovered that one. So just letting everybody know is
do any of these guys belong in Tier two. You're
right out to shoot agreeing that Sakuon Barkley is a
Tier two guy, Boggs, maybe we'll put the focus a
little bit more on the tier. Do you believe that Bijon, Saquon,
and Jamier Gibbs belong in tier one?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
That's my tier is those three guys. I have Saquon
and bechean switched, so I have one. I mean, dude
scored three more points than any other running back per
game last season. I understand that those numbers are hard
to repeat. I understand the history of four hundred plus touches.
Saquon doesn't get touched until he passes the offensive line,

(13:22):
so h the tackle breaking measures, you know, Uh the
stuff be damned. I don't care because he's not getting
touched for the first five yards, right, So, uh, Saquon
is still number one to me.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
But they're all a risk.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Any running back is a risk, so and that that's
kind of why I saw Saquonut one. I understand the
history of four hundred touches. It's a lot, but this
is the tier. I think these are the guys. I
understand ash and gent being in here. I don't disagree
with it. I just want to see it first, So
until I see it, he's not.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I will clarify too. I just have a bigger Tier
one than what we have on ECR. So my Tier
one is Bijon gives gent Arkley.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
And c MC.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So like I've I've pushed out my Tier one. In
the way that I'm I'm categorizing Tier one is what
are these guys and who's likely? Like could they be
the RB one overall? And that's that's really what I'm
saying with the.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Top five there, you guys are blowing up all my questions.
You just literally destroyed the entire Tier one for me
because genty was the next thing. So I guess I'm
just gonna ask like you can send. You guys have
already answered it. Genty was there in tierwe you guys
do the show if you want. By the way, I'll
just step out. You guys are doing the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Get out.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Gent was Tier one a week ago and he got
pushed out. So another version, you guys are gonna make
me do this all on the fly. You guys are
killing me. Another question I wanted to ask was how
close Tier one and two is because sometimes tiers can
be a true great representation of this is a major gap,

(14:54):
but also in the same I'm I'm strict. I'm way
stricter than most of tears Bog and I kind of
go through this all the time. We're bog gonna be
like you, like, I got seven guys. To me, tiers
are strictly built around would I ever take this guy
over that guy? And if the answer is no, then
I will not. I do not put them in the tiers.
So that's why where you guys are. We're going to

(15:16):
talk about four tiers of running backs that goes through
twenty five players. To me, it's probably seven different tiers
for that. So the so really the question kind of
I want to now throw in here is do you
think the gaps in tier one tier two are big
enough that a guy like Genti doesn't deserve to be
one or you know, I guess McCaffrey got in theresho

(15:38):
Bogs will start with you.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah, let me see this first. I'm pretty staunch on
my tiers as well, but I'll listen to an argument
of why somebody has an expanded tier or a shorter tier.
I understand, you know, my thought doesn't have to be
your thought. I completely get it, like we're all aggregating
this information, spitting it out the way we see it.
So but to me, I'm hard lined. Those are my

(16:02):
top three. There's in no world would I take any
guys under those top three over the top three. So
to me, hard line in the sand my top three.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
So is there a scenario debro where I gotta be honest,
I don't remember, did you say Gent was in your
tier one?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
McCaffrey, Gent and CMC and who else?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, it's Bjon Gibbs, Gent, Barkley and CMC in that order.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Okay, my tier one?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Is there a scenario where Gent can move up above
let's say Gibbs, Like, is there a scenario like in
a true tier conversation?

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Here?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Putting you to the test is could you see where
Welsh where you're just like, yeah, I am going to
take Gent over those guys, because again that is how
I separate tears.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, I wouldn't push Gent over Gibbs only because I
think the ceiling is maybe the ceiling of RB one
overall is questionable with the floors we've already seen the
floor is, so okay, I won't push him over that,
but like, yeah, we're talking about how are you formedilating
tiers and what are you looking at when you're making
those tiers? For me, it's I look at like kind

(17:06):
of similar archetypes. I look at ranges. I look at
range of outcomes with guys like is it upside? Is
it okay? Like how I form my tier one? Do
you have a path to RB one?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Overall?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
In those top five guys, I think all have a
path to possibly doing that. Now, gent offense around him,
he's gonna need to run hot with touchdowns, and I
think that offense, which I think he can be with
the Raiders, be better than people are expecting, while also
mentioning the thing with Genty that, like I keep going
back to his past game, upside is still being slept on,

(17:40):
like how good he is as a receiver, how much
Geno could check down to him considering what that offense
constitutes behind brock powers. So that's why I put him
in that same file and with those guys as being like, look,
he gets twelve touchdowns, he's going to catch more passes
than people are projecting.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Let's jump over to tier two and Bogman, I'm gonna
start with you when we get to it. Tier two.
As people can see, Ashton genty is four. We've got
Derrick Henry, Devon h Chan, Christian McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs, and
Jonathan Taylor, So that that's a pretty big grouping there. Obviously,
you guys have some separators, Bogs, you are the tried
and true hero. You only have three guys into your

(18:17):
tier one, So I guess the first question it's kind
of a little bit open ended, but do you think
any of these guys in tier two? Obviously you're not
going to say yes that they are in tier one
because you said it's only the three guys, But where
do you think the deserved players that could jump into
tier one? Who are they of this group?

Speaker 5 (18:36):
I mean, I think any of those dudes you know
could step into tier one. I mean Derick Henry adds
you know a couple touchdowns for you know, cracks two
thousand yards again, he's right there. H Chan just catches
so many balls, right, and you have one hundred and
eleven targets out of this offense with John and Smith

(18:57):
leaving it, and those are all short passes because because
that was part of this strategy was get the ball
out of too his hands. So a Chan may see
even more targets this season. Malik Washington Jalen Wattle might
as well.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Too, So.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
I think there's a legit path. We've already seen Taylor
be an RB one CMC obviously, if he's healthy, can
be the best running back in the league. So you
can easily swint and see any of these guys pushing
themselves into RB one territory, but they're just not going
to be in there. For me, those top three guys
are top three. These guys are all kind of in

(19:33):
the next group. And I love the depth of running
back this year, so I have kind of a bigger
Tier two. It's closer to like ten players deep, so
I'm not as staunch, but yeah, any of these guys can.
You can squint and see it, but there's just no
way I can do it right now.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Deepro you said your top five had McCaffrey and Gentina.
One player you did not mention was Devon ah Chan
in this question instead of keeping it kind of where
it is bas on what you guys have unveiled, why
does Devon ah Chan not get thrown into that Tier
one if you're throwing McCaffrey and you're throwing gent in there,
you've got John U out perceivably more reception upside for

(20:13):
eight Chan. Obviously this will be probably based on your rank,
But what makes a Chan not be a guy that
can push a much bigger Tier one for you?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I mean, I think he's the guy that I was
going to bring up here that could step into Tier one.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
I don't have him ranked in Tier one only.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Because as much as like, as many passes as he
can catch, and with John U leaving and stuff like that,
like his pass catching was still insane, and his receiving
touchdowns that he had last year, Like I wonder if
some of that, like yeah, there's a case to easily
be made that he goes up. There's also a case
we made that like some of that regresses because it

(20:48):
wasn't like it was John Hu and ah Chan leading
the way every single freaking week and with their target
chairs and stuff. Some of that is gonna have to
flow back to Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle, And if
it does, then ah Chan pass catching might stay either
stagnant maybe goes down a little bit because those two
wide receivers were just I mean there were ghosts for

(21:10):
certain weeks. I think Jalen Wattall is too talented for
that to be the case for the entirety of the season,
and the offensive line for Miami is still a concern
for me. Can he step into Tier one? Yeah, he's
the name in Tier two that I think can definitely
step into Tier one, but some of those concerns are
why I don't have him in tier one.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
All right, sticking with Tier two. Just these names, not
your guys's ranks, gent Henry h Chan, McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs,
Jonathan Taylor, Debro. We'll kick it right back to you
to start. Where is the trap? Who is your trap?
Tier two? RB? If you had to pick one, I
know who Bogman's gonna say, John go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Sorry, it's Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Like I understand the bull case for Jonathan Taylor, but
I think there are so many downsides to Jonathan Taylor.
Whether we want to talk about the injuries that that
he's had over the last few years, that's the step
back and tackle breaking, because I mean, if you look
at it, like his explosive run rate was fine, his
mistackles for us and his yards up to contact for
attempt dipped severely last year, and is he gonna get checkdowns?

(22:18):
Is he going to get pass game involvement? And everybody's like, oh, well,
look at the splits he got with Joe Flacco. Bro
Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are not Joe Flacco. They're
going to run instead of checking it down. And JT's
never been efficient as a pass catcher. So it's a
lot of risk and a lot of volume will carry
the day for Jonathan Taylor that I don't have him

(22:39):
in this tier, and I think in this tier he's
the landmine bogs.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I jokingly say, like, we know, we know both what
you're going to say, but you're also it might not
be wrong. Like I'm in the camp debro on this,
and I'm kind of speaking for you. But when you're
looking at these names, there's only so many who can
pick you're you're gonna say, Christian McCaffrey's the trap.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Yeah, of course I haven't thirteen. He's not an RB
one to me, And by the way, I could easily
be wrong. Christian McCaffrey has the skill to still be
RB number one in the class. I'm not sitting here
saying that Christian McCaffrey can't play football. Homie can play.
I mean, he's a Hall of Fame running back, right,
so we all know that. I don't trust anything the

(23:18):
Niners are telling us about Christian McCaffrey. And I don't
understand how anyone could. They were wrong last y year
the case, but they were wrong last year. They gave
him an extension. They talked about how he was perfectly
fine and healthy. He wasn't gonna play in the preseason.
That was that, and he still ended up missing eight
million games, playing three games, looking inefficient, having to go

(23:39):
to Germany for bilateral Achilles tendonitis. And Shanahan is just
never going to stick to his word and pull this
guy off the field more. He's just gonna give him
way too many touches. It feels like every single time
because we've heard this story year after year after year
after year. CMC is a guy who has played six
seasons and has twelve seasons of wear on him already.
I'm just not interested it.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Go ahead, bro, So with CMC, we saw the same
issues for George Kittle, it just didn't get as highly publicized.
He had the same exact issue, got stilled and cell
infusions and hasn't had a problem with his achilles since.
And the the roller coaster with CMC, Yeah, I mean,
if we want to follow the roller coaster, he breaks
down after the high usage seasons, but then he bounces back.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
So are we if roller coaster part of its missing bro? Like,
you know, there's a big piece of track, it just
is not there.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
This If CMC stays healthy this year, Bogman, is he
much better than RB thirteen and fantasy points per game?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Okay, well but that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
It's what what are the odds of that?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
De bro? I I thinks him getting hurt, like I
think they're not they're not, dud. I look, I just
fundamentally disagree with you on that.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's that's all.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
And that's fine, and.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I just he
is the trap to me. Listen, Taylor is the easy
number two. Taylor has had issues. But if I'm drafting Taylor,
I'm also drafting DJ Giddens. If I'm drafting CMC, I'm
taking Grendo. So you know, make sure if you are
investing in these guys, just be set for it get
their handcuff.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
This is hard.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
The last to just say on CMC is when we
did see him on the field last year a twenty
two misstackle rate and at one point eight yards per
route run. His skills are still top shelf. So this
is just a bet on health or not health. I
could be with egg on my face, but if he's healthy,
he's gonna be a top five running back. And to
the point, like we're all talking about Shanahan and decreasing work,

(25:37):
shouldn't we look at that as a positive, like it's
never gonna do it?

Speaker 4 (25:41):
D No, but never. That's my point.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
If he doesn't do it, we know he's getting all
the freaking work.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
And then he goes and then hurts.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
But the years he hasn't been hurt like that, again,
the years he hasn't been hurt, he's broken fantasy. Give
me fantasy breaking upside at the back end of the
first because if he stays healthy.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
That happens. You don't have to tell me this. I'm
the og CMC guy. I wish you the gym because
I've seen this movie before.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
And by the way, how much does Wels love lighting
the match and watching us?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Fine?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean this. I know I will say we're gonna
move on, but I will say if this was fantasy
court bagman would be held in contempt and kicked out
of the court because I'm the CMC guy. But I
do agree you guys keep going on about it. There's
only two arguments in my mind of Christian McCaffrey, is
are you fearful of injury or are you going to
bet on talent? Because guess what, when he's healthy, he's
the best running back in the NFL. But he doesn't

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stay healthy, so everything else is nuanced here. You either
believe he's going to get hurt again or you want
to bet because the talent is so high that you're willing.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
To move Bad he's not. That's a dumb argument. Yeah,
I think bad he's not old. The skills are still
in there. It's just is he going to get hurt again?
I'm not taking the risk. Debro is period.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
There you go, all right, Tier three, we're going to
kind of burn through these ones.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Tier three.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
We've got running backs ten through sixteen on ECR, Bucky Irving,
kyro and Williams, Chase Brown, Breeshall, James Cook, ken Walker
and Alvin Kamara. That is a nice list of players, Bogman.
Do any of these players belong in Tier two for you?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Bucky?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Bucky does. And Bucky was just so good last season.
It's hard to see how he doesn't have more touches.
He'll least have that role for the entire season.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
He is a dude that.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
The reason I have JT over Bucky is because I
don't think Bucky is big enough to handle the kind
of crazy workload that JT gets.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
But JT has not also.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Not been able to handle that crazy workload recently with
the ankle injuries that he's had. He's never had a
major injury. But you know, but I just think for Bucky,
he's so good. The role is so good. Mayfield was
excellent around him. They added pieces in the in the
receiving game as well, like just a path for him

(27:54):
to get easy yards underneath is there. He doesn't need
three hundred touches to be an impact player. He's not
gonna get three hundred touches, as that kind of caps
his upside, but the skill is so good.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So to me, it's Bucky Hilight.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's a good name. Debro same thing as they're a
player in this tier three that you think belongs in
Tier two.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I think there's two guys.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I think Bucky Irving's the easy guy. I think we're
playing we're replaying last year's analysis for devon a Chan
with Bucky Irving. Except last year everybody was in on
a chan and said, oh, he takes a step forward,
and we saw that. But people don't want to make
the same intuitive leap with Bucky Irving. Like I'm not
telling you that he's gonna be an eighty ninety percent
snap guy, but everybody's projecting that Baker Mayfield is gonna

(28:37):
take a step back. Well, dude, if the offense is
still good, those touchdowns gotta go somewhere, dude, Okay, Well
they're probably gonna go to Bucky freaking Irving.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Then we're ranking.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Forty touchdowns he had never thrown for thirty.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, for so we're ranking Bucky Irving too low. And
I'll say Kenneth Walker too. The guy was RB twelve
and Fantasy points per game last year. Now he gets
a Kobiac running the offense. Now the offense is gonna
run more, and he's been one of the most efficient
runners in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
He has not been able to stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
If he stays healthy this year, he cough and nailed
everybody's takes about him being unable to catch passes. He
was one of the most efficient running backs in the
NFL as a receiver last year. Go look it up,
Go check out my ride up. It's all in there.
Kenneth Walker does not belong in this tier.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Final running back one is there's a lot of other tiers.
There's a ton of others, and we only got through
sixteen running backs. Tier four has got seventeen through twenty five.
This is most likely the range where one of these
running backs is going to fit to this question. But Bogman,
is there a running back that is below tier three
that you would include into tier three? So this could
be someone you know, maybe you're just dramatically really high on.

(29:43):
We all know what Debro's about to say.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I can take one.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I need one guest to go. Which one he's going
to go, which I'm excited about. But Boggs, anyone below
tier three that you think should be in Tier three
or higher?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Uh not really.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
I do think that the rookies going to easily push
into this crew. So and the guy that I've been
highest on is obviously Omar and Hampton. I just Nase
now has is gonna start on the NFI for camp
with his eye injury from the fireworks deal or whatever.
I think Omri and Hampton is just a much much

(30:16):
better running back than Nase. But I will admit this,
everything I'm excited about Omar and Hampton for is exactly
what I was excited for Naji for coming into the league.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
And Naj didn't pan out. That rookie year was great, though.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
I expect kind of the same type of deal from Hampton,
So I think he's a guy that could potentially boost.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Uh yeah or Nadi. Bro the name you're gonna say
is a rookie running back.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
It's a rookie running back.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
You know exact where I'm going, dude. It's just it's
r J. Harvey. It's always been r J. Harvey.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Like the only reason he's this low is because people
don't want to project they're They're fine doing that with
Mario and Hampton, They're fine doing that with other rookie
running backs. They're fine doing that with other players. They
don't want to do with r J.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Harvey because they weren't high in off on him as
a prospect. I've said it before and I'll.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Say it again. R J.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Harvey and A Marion Hampton's ADPs should be flipped.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
They I'm not tell me.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Who you're worried about it more in a vacuum. Naji
Harris versus JK. Dobbins should be Najie Harris. Which one
of these guys is actually going to catch passes out
of the backfield? Because Greg Roman does not throw to
his running backs, Sean Payton does and does a lot,
so RJ. Harvey does not belong in this He should
be a tier three back.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I don't think. I don't think this guy should be
a tier three back. But you say all those things,
and I start going Caleb Johnson like all the things.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I wasn't gonna go there for time, But dude, yes,
Caleum Johnson deserves to be in Tier four.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
There's it is ridiculous with the projected.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Volume his talent that he's not in this tier and
is not a top twenty four running back. That that
is insane to me. People are gonna draft DeAndre Swift
over Caleb Johnson. Have fun, have fun with this year's
epitome of a dead zone back.

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Speaker 1 (33:39):
Gentlemen Wide receivers ranks and their tiers. Similar to the
running backs, Wide Receiver one is going to be a
little bit or wire Tier one is going to be
a little bit easier. Currently set with Jamar Chase as
the ECR number one wide receiver, Justin Jefferson at two,
CD Lamb at three Derek Brown, do you dis agree

(34:01):
that any of these players should not be a Tier
one wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Nope, I agree with it. I agree with all three
of these players, and I agree with the order. That's
exactly how I have it.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Bogman, do you agree with the or do you agree
with the order? Though?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh, let's go all right, so now we're rocking. Hey,
guess what easy stuff. Let's move to the second portion
of this, going to Tier two because we're really not
going to sit on any.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Other Jefferson, Lamb are amazing, They're all good, they all
have great options. Lamb has to be at the bottom
because Dak is most likely to go thank.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
You for doing Actually, there is one more. I am
going to inject one more. My question in my statement
to tears, is there a scenario where ceedee Lamb goes over.
I'm not gonna say Jamar Chase but Justin Jefferson to you,
because my argument would be that maybe Tier one should
only be maybe it should only be Justin or Jamar
Chase Frankly or Jefferson in Chase. Do you even see

(34:56):
a scenario where Lamb cannot only move over to Chase,
but move over Jefferson Bucks.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
No, I look, it's fine if you want to do that.
Ceedee Lamb is incredibly skilled. If you want to say
he's the best wide receiver in the NFL and you
think that great, He's definitely one of the top three
for sure. But I'm not gonna move Jefferson because of McCarthy.
I think McCarthy's pretty good. I think he's better than Donald.
Donald was pretty miserable until he ended up in Minnesota.

(35:24):
So I think the system is going to be fine
for Jefferson. He sticks it to for me.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
So is there any interchangeability for tier one with you,
de bro? You know what I'm pushing at, Like Harry,
Like if Ceedee Lamb is so directly the bottom guy
and he could never move and there's no scenario where
you even painted it's like, well, then technically why is
he in that tier?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
You know, maybe someone's the case for Lamb at two
over three that I'm not there, but I'll like, I'll
hear it. I mean he has been the wide receiver
one overall previously in a broken Dallas offense last year
when they didn't have any other weapons opposite him, then yeah,
they had lots of problems, but we've also seen in

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that same offense with Cooper Rush, this team is third
in passing attempts. They're going to be top five, top
ten again, and Dack back like Ceedee Lamb still has
wide receiver one overall upside even over Chase.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Like that could happen.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Man, So like, yeah, I'm fine if somebody wanted to
put Lamb at two and Jefferson three.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
That's not where I'm at, But I get it.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, And I think the thing I should also clarify
that gets missed in kind of what I'm saying as
well is tears are also a perfect representation. It doesn't
have to be one for one that you would take
Ceedee Lamb over Jamar Chase. It also is an indicator
of a production break. So so my art and I
think that's where you were. You're probably heading too, because
I wasn't. I was kind of being a little dramatic

(36:45):
about it, wasn't making it clear. But like, yes, Lamb
doesn't have to necessarily be better than Chasing. You take
him over there, but he can also be such a
bigger gap between the next guy on this list that
would be Puka Nakua and if he is valued at
a level that is above and gets you, let's say
ninety five percent of what the other Tier one guys are.
That's another little nuance of tiers, and I think that's

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kind of.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
What you're pushing to me.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
It's like, if you want to put Lamb in a
tier of his own, that's okay, But like he's not.
He's definitely not in tier two. So he's either a
tier by himself or he's in tier one. I think
deb related out perfectly. It's like he still has the
skill to be the wide receiver one overall, I just
would never draft him there, so he has to stay

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in wide receiver one tier.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
To me, all right, moving to tier two, it is
quite a bit bigger. So the wide receiver four starts
us off with Pukainakua. We've got at five, Milik neighbors,
amn Our Saint Brown at six, Nico Collins at seven,
Brian Thomas Junior at eight, and Drake London at nine.
So that is a nice big tier of wide receivers
that are in tier two. So the question is do

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any of these wide outs belong in tier one?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Derek Brown, I think you can make the case for
certain guys like I. Again, I have my tier set
up a little bit differently, Like my tier one is
just a long tier of like the top eight guys
that all I think have a path to wide receiver
one overall.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
So like, okay, so then who would you pound the
table for? That should if you have a much bigger tier, Uh,
give me one player that you would kind of pound
the table for.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'll give you my wide receiver four. Who is being
under I mean undervalued here and he's the wide receiver
eight and ECR it's Brian Thomas junior. Dude, Like we
saw this last year. He was wide receiver two in
Fantasy points per game with freaking Mac Jones. And now
they get Travis Hunter in the offense, We're all having
questions about how much offense does he play? Okay, well

(38:37):
we should. We're gonna see a more efficient version, a
version of the Jacksonville Jaguars offense. And we get Liam
Cohen and he gets Trevor Lawrence coming back. He legitimately
could lead the NFL in targets is years guy like
I don't, that's the one guy Like if I were
to make a case for anybody that like deserves maybe
to be on the app like to sneak into Tier one.

(38:59):
It's Brian Thomas Junior. And I'm saying it with my
ranking because he does have that type of upside. We
already saw it last year. We just didn't see it
over a full season. So everybody's like, well, I mean, yeah,
but no, but and I'm willing to draft him aggressively.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Bogs A, Is there a player in this tier too
that you think belongs in Tier one? And if there's not,
who would be the closest case you would make for
a player that should be in that tier?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, there's not to me, So I'll just say that
straight out. I don't think any of these guys going
to the tier with you know, Chase Jefferson and Lamb.
If I had to pick one, it would be Malik Nighbors.
He was second league in targets last season. They had
horrific quarterback play with Daniel Jones there, so you know,

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not the ghost of Russell Wilson is much better, but
it's much better than what they had there last year.
And even if the rookie Jackson Dartas did take over,
I think the quarterback plays is improved. So a guy
that was already number two in targets adjusting to the
NFL and being right there, that would be my guy
if I had to make the case for anybody, But
I will not make the case for anybody.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Who is the trap? Tier two trap Pooka, Neighbors, Saint Brown, Collins,
Thomas London, Bogman. If you had to pick one wide receiver,
who is the trap in this tier?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I don't think there is one.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
If I'm being honest, if you're you know, gun in
my head, I have to pick probably Pooka. You know,
like if you want to say Matt Stafford is older,
maybe injury prone at this point in his career. They're
adding DeVante, who's going to score a bunch of touchdowns.
They added a lot to the run game, and Chark,
Wes Hunter, Blake Korn could easily have an expanded role

(40:48):
this season. Higbee's back. Like, if you have to nitpick
and choose one, maybe Pooka. But I have Pooka five.
He's awesome.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
So I don't really think there is a trap here?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
De bro which one is the trap?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I went Bogmin, I don't think there is a trap.
But if I'm going to pick one guy out as
I don't know if he pays off on his ECR.
It's Milik Neighbors. And yes, I understand he had terrible
quarterback play.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
I get that. I love the talent. I think you
can make a really.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Easy case that Russell Wilson is a much more limited
quarterback at this stage of his career than any of
the guys that he played with last year. Like it
is literally either checkdowns or moonballs from Russ. There's not
a lot in between.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
But if that's the case, they got Jamison.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Dart well that's fair.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
But again, like we're projecting, like if Russell is not
good and he plays five or six games, that has
to bump down Melik Neighbors. If he's bad, that's gonna
drag him down a little bit. So like I found myself,
I'm lower on Eliite Neighbors than consensus. Like I still
have him as a wide receiver one, I'm not crazy.
But if you're looking at one of the guys that like,

(41:57):
does he fail to live up being that as a
top five wide receiver where he's still good, but top
five dude, Like I want you to have a path
where like conceivably to maybe your wide receiver one overall
or maybe your top three. I just don't see that
with a combination of Dart and Russell Wilson, especially if

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Russell's bringing things down for five or six weeks of
the season.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
All right, let's I'll say this. I don't think our
heart was in that argument for either one of them.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well, neither one of you thought you had any real
traps or anything like that, So I get it. All right,
Let's go to Tier three, another big tier, starting at
wide receiver ten all the way down to wide receiver seventeen.
So that is a break of starting wide receiver ones
to mid wide receiver twos. AJ Brown at ten, Lad
McConkie at eleven, T Higgins, Jackson Smith, and Jig but
tyreek Kill, Garrett Wilson, Richie Rice. We know he's not

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going to be there much longer, especially when the ranks
update and DeVante Adams. So that is our grouping, bagman,
Which of these Tier three wide receivers do you think
belongungs in Tier two?

Speaker 5 (43:01):
AJ Brown? Pretty easy to me. Like Deeber already said
it earlier in the show when we're talking about Saquon,
this team is going to pass the ball more, AJ
Brown is still a stud. He's also a gigantic cry
baby when he doesn't get the ball, so we know
he's going to pout and cry his way to getting
the ball, as he always does. So I mean AJ
Brown is so good. He just has such an incredibly

(43:22):
high floor. He definitely deserves to be a tier above
this in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
And bog been keeping with the tiered theme here for
crybaby AJ Brown. Apparently, Dee Bro, what do you think
which Tier three wide receiver belongs as a Tier two
for you?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I will cape up a little bit for AJ Brown
and saying that I think a lot of that was
fictitiously puffed up by the Philadelphia media, and not so much.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
He's reading a book on the sideline because he's being
a cry baby. Didn't he did you not see him
crying in that game against Minnesota a couple of years ago,
like the guys I.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Don't like, you don't like dramatic wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I get it, man, But if he was reading the
guy the Godfather is trying to read on the sidelines,
I don't know what else he is, right, So I
agree with Bogman that AJ Brown is the name here
they're going to pass more on a per route basis.
He was still a lead like aj Brown with any
more volume would be the guy that I would say, here,

(44:18):
are there any wide receivers deeper will start with you
in this tier that you think offer really good value
given their costs. So again, the unique thing about this
is there's a big gap between wide receiver ones and
wide receiver twos in here. Who's your best value play
out of this tier three?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, there's two obvious Like there's an obvious value and
there's an obvious trap for me in this tier. The
obvious value is Davante Adams. It's just it's an age
man like, it's just because he is the age that
he is, that he is being valued at this where
it's like consolidated passing attack. Davante Adams was still stellar
no matter however you slice it up, whether it's target chair,

(44:57):
where it's separation, route win rate anything. Time with the Jets, like,
he was still really stinking good and he should. He's
another guy that should be in tier two to be honest, Like,
I have him as a wide receiver one in my
rankings because this is going to be a consolidated target tree.
Both those dudes are getting fed this year.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Let's here trap too. We'll do value en trap.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I've had the hardest time with Jackson Smith and Jigbo
this entire offseason, Like he was the wide receiver seventeen
and fantasy points per game last year, and then people
are saying that he takes another step forward and he's
the wide receiver thirteen in ECR. I can't make that case,
Like I understand that it's only him and Cooper Cup

(45:41):
in that passing attack, but I feel like we're kind
of getting lost in the sense that also Seattle is
not gonna throw the ball. They were a top ten
twelve passing rate team last year. We know they're going
to run the ball. We have questions about how does
he fit into this offense with Cooper Cup, Like what
is that look like? And if you look at the
per route metrics for Jackson spiit the Jigba up. They're

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not great, man, Like one hundred and twelve qualifying wide receivers,
sixty second in separation, eighty eighth in route win rate.
Those aren't wonderful, man. So it's like I have a
hard time, like I think he's still a wide receiver too,
but paying like almost a wide receiver one price tag
for JSN.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
That's where I have issues with it, Like I just
can't get there.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
All right, bogs cost and trap for tier three.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
I man, I just I'm kind of falling knife on
Devonte Adams. So I have him at eighteen where his
ECR is seventeen, I'm well below.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
TBRO on him.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
I don't just agis it may be a little bit,
and I do like JSN. I just think that well,
I think we're putting the cart before the horse a
little bit. Like if Cooper Cup doesn't work out, who
cares the JSN is your guy. That's your guy that's
going to lead this team targets by a million, I
feel like. So I think I'd probably say JSN could
push into the next tier. In terms of bad values,

(47:09):
it's just Rishie Rice is the only one here. The
rest are good.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, and that doesn't even count, all right, Tier four,
Tier four. The last one on the wide receivers we're
gonna do is wide receiver eighteen through twenty five. We've
got Mike Evans, Terry McLaurin, Marvin Harrison Junior, DJ Moore,
DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, DeVonta Smith and Zay Flowers Bogman.
Which of these players, if you could pick one, do
you think or if you're really adamant about two belong

(47:31):
as Tier three wide receivers from Tier four.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Mike Evans to me, like, what has Mike Evans done too?
By the way, you can't call me an age just now.
But no, no Bagman to fall down this far. I
have him right now at wide receiver thirteen. Yes, Buca
comes in, It's not gonna take anything away from Mike Evans.
Mike Evans is still one of the best wide receivers

(47:54):
in the league. He offers maybe one of the safer floors.
If you want to say falling knife because he's old.
I understand that argument. I'm not going to push back
against it. But I don't have it for Mike because
even when he got hurt last year and our boy
piece of pas said there's no way he's going to
hit a thousand yards, got to play the Panthers twice,
he got there.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Bagman no longer the Leo DiCaprio of fantasy, willing to
willing to, you know, put a little age up there deep.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm in a lot of good movies.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
He does, like now wide receiver's over twenty five, so
that he's making steps. I was going to make a
Bill Belichick joke, but Shane Gillis already did it better
for me last night. Bro, Who who of these tier
four wide receivers would you put as a Tier three?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
It's Mike Evans is the easy name here, man, Like.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
He's never finished like over the last few years, wide
receiver ten, Wide receiver ten, wide receiver thirteen, Wide receiver ten.
Should I go on like, I don't. It's just the age,
that's the whole reason. The only other name I'll bring
up here Welsh because he's at the back end of
this tier at white receiver twenty four. But I've seen
in a lot of best Ball drafts, and I think
this is going to happen in home leagues too, where

(49:05):
DeVonta Smith falls into the wide receiver three territory. Yeah,
it is categorically ridiculously wrong, but again, like just a
player that has been so freaking consistent that it's lulled
people to sleep. Like over the last three years, DeVonta
Smith has just produced as the wide receiver fifteen, Wide
receiver twenty and wide receiver fourteen, and fantasy points per game.

(49:28):
He's a top twenty option and now people are letting
him fall down the board when the Eagles went legendarily
run heavy last year.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, that's ridiculous that there's kind of your value and trap.
Let's move to the last thing we're going to talk
about in this tier is just anyone that's outside of
Tier four that you think deserves to be up. So
this is going to probably speak to your guys' ranks here, Bogs.
We'll start with you outside the so tier five, six, seven,
whatever it is that you think belongs higher.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I would put I'd put the rookies Tet McMillan and
Travis Hunter up into this group.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I feel like.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
The thing here with these guys is like Ted is
just going to be peppered with targets that there's an
opportunity for a number one in Carolina. The defense is
still miserable. Like it's way better than it was last year.
It's like fifty percent upgraded to garbage. Right, it was
a steaming pile of you know what last year. Now

(50:27):
it's just regular garbage. So Ted McMillan should be getting
pepper with targets. Travis Hunter's skill is so unbelievable. It's
just we need to make sure that he's going to
get to that seventy five percent snap rate on offense
right just somewhere in that neighborhood. And he's good. But
I think both those guys kind of deserve to be
in that group.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
De Bro, the non tier four wide receiver that should
be what do you got?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It's Tedro McMillan, Bogguner and I are holding hands here
like it is easy. Tedro McMillan, like I have him
as a top twenty, top twenty four wide receiver in
my rankings for everything that Bogman said, and I'll throw
this on top of it as well. I think people
are missing that the Carolina Panthers were quietly not only
pass happy. Whenever Bryce Shung really ascended weeks twelve through eighteen,

(51:12):
they were thirteenth in neutral passing rate.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
You look at the.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Overall complexion of their season. This was an offense that
was fourth in red zone passing rate, tenth in passing
rate inside.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Of the ten yard line.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Tenoro McMillan has double digit touchdown upside this year, and
he has a wide open target try where he can
assert himself as.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
The clear wide receiver one.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
His upside is ridiculous this year, and people are sleeping
on it because it's Carolina and they were low on
this wide receiver class and a lot of people, myself included,
were low on Bryce Shung. But I'm coming around to it. Man,
Ted's gonna crush.

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quick hits at quarterback and tight end, and then we'll
finish the bad boy off with just a couple overall takes.
So we'll just get some quicker reactions, and I'm also
going to just give you out the tier. So let's
start at quarterback. At quarterback, you've got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Jayden Daniels, and Jalen Hurts. That is Tier one, Tier

(53:17):
two Joe Burrow, Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nicks, Kyler Murray.
And then Tier three is ten through seventeen Justin Fields,
brock Perty, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Dak Goff May and
Jordan Love. Those are seventeen quarterbacks that represent three tiers.
So a couple questions that we will start with Bagman.
Should Joe Burrow be a Tier one quarterback or do

(53:39):
you think he is a step below these guys even
though he did finish his quarterback three.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
No, he belongs in Tier one to me, and I
understand that he is the one guy in this tier
without rushing upside. I get it if you want to
put him in the second tier because he doesn't have that,
I understand. But they have to pass million times because
the defense is still miserable and they made no improvement
on it this year. In fact, it might be worse,
like Trey Hendrickson is holding out. They're not signing Shamar Stewart.

(54:06):
You know, Sam Hubbard retired. They have no pass rush.
They're gonna have to go point for point with everybody.
It's why Chase remains number one to me and Burrow
belongs in this tier.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Same thing, Debro. Do you think Joe Burrow belongs with
this grouping or he is a step below specifically, you know,
because the running is lacking the running up side.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I don't think he belongs in tier one, but I
think he belongs to his own tier by himself alone
in tier two.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Are there any of these quarterbacks? I'm gonna jump into
top five because let's add Joe Burrow in there, because
there's a discussion that he is tier one or you're
saying he's his own tier that are worth their ECR.
That is the big question here because there is this
battle of late quarterback versus the high end players. What
the value is? So, being more specific about it, here

(54:55):
are like the overall ADPs Josh Allen twenty five, Lamar
Jackson twenty six. So you're talking about a third round
investment high of third round investment on both of those guys.
Jade Daniels at thirty one. It's about a middle third
round Jalen Hurts at forty and Joe Burrett forty six.
Debro pick one quarterback that is worth the elite quarterback price.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Jalen Hurts. And this is where Tears comes into it.
The bottom of that tier. Who is being undervalued. We've
hammered it. Aj Brown is undervalued, DeVonta Smith is undervalued.
Jalen Hurts is undervalued. He's the last part of that tier.
He's access to top to QB one overall upside. Possibly
he shouldn't be going where he's going. He should be

(55:39):
in the thirties right next to jayde Daniels, easy.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Bog same thing. Which of these quarterbacks is actually worth
that cost at the end of the day.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
I think they're all worth it and no one else
is worth where they're getting picked because I think you
want a guy from the upper echelon of quarterback and
tight end this year, and everybody else under that is
like in a gigantic tier to me, So pay up
for a good quarterback this year because I like the
depth of running back and wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
That's what I would say.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
That next tier, which you know, whether it's Joe Burrows
Tier one or Joe Joe Burrows his own special tier whatever.
The next group of guys you got Pat Mahomes, Baker, Mayfield,
bow Nicks, Kyler Murray. Their relative range is let's call
it sixty to eighty somewhere in between there. That's the
overall of where they're going. Debro, do one of those

(56:26):
quarterbacks become a massive target for you or are you
in the past territory that you're going to someone else
so you can pick one of those guys in that
sixty to eighty range. You can see the ranges where
they're going, or if you're passing, who's the quarterback that
you're passing for.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I'll pass a lot of different times and I'll just
take justin fields later. But if I'm going one of
these guys and the guy that I'm I swear this
is not a clip where anybody needs to think that
I've been hacked or this is not a kidnap tweet.
I'm gonna pound the table for bow nixt Here. They
added more playmakers around him second year in the Sean
Payton system, we know that he also carries rushing upside,

(57:04):
and weeks five through eighteen, this dude was the QB
six and fantasy points per game. If this offense is
even better this year and they step not like top ten,
top twelve and scoring, but into top five, land bow
Knicks could be like top three QB.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
It's an interesting group because it's like Mahomes, you just
lost your number one, like target like again or arguably
whatever you want to say, Rice or Kelsey for that,
Baker Mayfield has a lot of lack of trust in
you guys talking about him not doing it before. Then
you've got two high end running quarterbacks where Kyler Murray
has just never lived up to it with Marvin Harrison,
and then there's just bo Nicks just throwing to seven

(57:38):
hundred different wide receivers. No one that's ever doing anything.
It's an interesting group there. So bog sixty to eighty,
you're picking one of those quarterbacks or I mean you've
kind of alluded to no one else's really worth it?
Are you so dramatically passing that you know if you are,
what is that late quarterback you're targeting?

Speaker 5 (57:53):
It's whichever one falls the most. You know, I've seen
it where Kyler keeps tumbling and I get him in
the range of the next group. Bon Nicks falls sometimes
because maybe people just don't like him, or they don't
believe it because he wasn't his hyped last year. You
should believe it. By the way, when Debro was hammering
on him last year, didn't like him, and all switches

(58:14):
I was on him. We all learn right, So you know,
if Debra and I can say we made a mistake,
you should be able to too. So bon Nix goes
late sometimes, But honestly, the answer is whoever falls out
of this group because I also like the next group.

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Going over to tight ends, we've got three tiers. Tier
one Brock Bowers, Trey McBride and George Kittle. Tier two
opens up Sam Laporta, Hawkinson, Kelsey Andrews, Ndjoku and Ingram.

(59:14):
Guys ten through seventeen is your tier three and boy
to these look different from Tucker Craft all the way
down to Hunter Henry not can even list off all
those guys. Those are the tight ends that we are
messing with. Bogman, which of these Tier one tight ends
do you prefer? At cost? So you've got brock Bowers,
Trade McBride and George Kittle. Obviously, the overall like adp

(59:36):
of where they're going is quite a bit different. I
think Kittle is like two rounds lower than brock Bauers.
So pick one of those tier one tight ends that
you think is best at cost.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Kittle easy, sir to me, and it's it's the top three.
And this is I'm way more staunched about this than
I am about quarterback, because I think there's still skilled quarterbacks.
That's why I want. I want an elite one because
the bottom is all kind of the same.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
To me.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
At tight end, it's different. I want an elite one
because there's no other really good ones. There's decent ones
to pick from, and hope Tucker Kraft you can hope on,
you can hope on it upside for Evan Ingram, guys
like this, like you can find a reason to like
another tight end. But these are the three, and with
running back and wide receiver being particularly deep in my

(01:00:20):
opinion this season, I want to get an elite quarterback.
I want to get an elite tight end, specifically tight end,
specifically one of these tight ends, because I don't like
the rest of the group. So I will take the
cheapest guy on this because he is the cheapest guy
in George Kittle average the most points a tight end
last season. Just unbelievable career for this guy. And he's

(01:00:43):
still really good. Brock Bowers is awesome. I think Trey
McBride's going to improve on the touchdowns. I want one
of those three real bad. After that, I don't really
care it opens up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Deever, since you agreed with the Kittle thing, do you
think it's a silly move paying a mid second round
or high second round cost on Brock Bowers knowing that
you can get George Kittle in the third or fourth round.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yep, easily.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I mean that's I'm not drafting much Brock Powers because
of the price tag, because I have trade McBride, trade
McBride ranked over him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
And this is not an.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Anti Bowers take, Like I love Bowers, but I'm not
willing to pay the adp of getting him when I
can get McBride touchdowns. Swing back in his direction, dude,
he could be a league defining player this year. He
could be Kelsey And we're all wondering why we didn't
draft trade McBride in the first round after this year
George Kittle just to put this really really simple for people.

(01:01:42):
We're drafting the tight end one in Fantasy points per
game last year as the tight end three, Like does
that not give anybody any kind of pause and say,
like shouldn't we look in the mirror and say, what
in the ever love and heck are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
So yes, I will take the discount.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
On the tight ends, you guys are both kind of
like locked into elite. If you miss out on elite,
give me a target and a tier debro that you
are jumping into in the tight end range. Tier two
is quite big. I would assume you would hope it's
gonna be from that range. But tier two or tier three,
give me a tight end target if you don't get
the elite guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
My tight end strategy is very condensed this year. It's
a lot of McBride, it's a lot of Kittle, and
it's a lot of Evan Ingram and Mark Andrews. I
just think that they have the target upside and the
talent to step back into or be in that top
three top five conversation. You look at Evan Ingram, I
mean it's just a clear pathway man like he could

(01:02:38):
he could lead the team in targets this year over
Courtland Sutton and after that, like, what are we talking
about part time players surrounding him? And we've seen top
five upside from Evan Ingram already in his career. Yeah,
lock me in on that. And Mark Andrews man like
after he recovered from the tight rope procedure and the
automobile accident that he's sustained in camp down the back

(01:02:59):
half of the season, and all of his numbers basically
doubled and towards the back half of the season. I
can't remember where my cutoff was. I think it was
like week nine or week ten something like that. He
was the tight end five and fantasy points per game.
So yeah, everybody got burned and they.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Were like, oh no, like Isaiah Likely, Yeah, how long
did Isaiah Likely says in last because everybody's so happy
they paid up and blew all the fab on that
last year.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Come on, man, like it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
So this is Ingram is also my pick? Yeah, Ingram
is also my pick in that one. Bo The same thing.
If you don't get those elite tight ends I've drafted
with you, You've drafted a million times getting them and not
getting them, and it's been disasters, but you don't get
the top guys. Who is the targeted tight end?

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Probably Tucker Craft. I don't I don't want to draft
Kelsey or Laporta or Hawkinsenter Andrews. They're all going too high.
I don't have a lot of trust on Ingram. I
understand the argument. I love it, Debro, it's a good
case that layout for Ingram.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I'm just not into him.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Oh God, So to me, it's Tucker Craft, or it's
a rookie, uh, you know, Loveland or Warren. Probably Loveland
because I just don't know what the QB situation is
in Andy. So but I think Loveland pushes Comet, and
I think Comet's pretty good, but I think Loveland pushes
him out real fast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
So Kraft has the talent upside to lead the team
in targets if they were to kind of clear number
one there exactly Like, he's the guy if you want
to wait on tight end, he's the guy you need
to circle your draft board for because he's the guy
at the end part of He has the athleticism, he
has the ambiguous target tree, he has the talent that

(01:04:39):
if they were if Lafleur would just quit with all
of this committee wide receiver bs that he runs out
there every single freaking week and committed to Tucker Craft.
Give him eighty to ninety percent route per dropback feature.
This dude with like a twenty percent first reach here,
that's the guy that could step into top five production.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Ranks and tiers. My friends, you know what I would
love to hear from you, guys? Put it in the
comments below. What is more important to you the numerical
rank from twelve to thirteen to fourteen or guys being
in the tiers? Are you more appreciative and paying attention
and locked in more to tiers or the actual ranking.
We know a lot of you are going to say
ranking because of the screaming and yelling about your favorite

(01:05:21):
guy being up or down, But you guys can let
us know what do you love the rank or the
tier and what was maybe the most egregious player that
needed to be up or down? In a tear drop
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to take everything we've talked about and experiment with it
in the mock drafts fantasypros dot Com slash mock. You
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(01:05:43):
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