November 3, 2024 • 41 mins
The Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson breaks down what the Des Moines Register’s Selzer poll reveals about VP Harris’s chances of becoming our next president. Emily’s List President Jessica Mackler examines how reproductive rights will affect this election.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
today's best minds. And Donald Trump won't rule out banning
vaccines if he becomes president. We have a great show
for you today, the Lincoln Project. Zonne Rick Wilson breaks
down the Des Moines Register seltzer ple and what it
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tells us about the vice president's chances of becoming our
next president.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Then we'll talk to Emily's.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
List Jessica Meckler about how she sees reproductive rights affecting
this election.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But first the news.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So, Molly, we are in the final unraveling of Trump
on this campaign trail. He's talking about that if you
shoot the press, he doesn't care. He said he shouldn't
have left the White House after the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
What are you seeing here? Because what I'm seeing I
don't like.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's a whole cavalcade of crazy. We have Donald Trump
bragging about how many filled seats there are in his rally. Wow,
the camera is panning to half empty seats. We have
Donald Trump saying that they should take away the licensing
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for CBS. We have Donald Trump talking about how he
would be fine if people want to shoot through the
journal as a journalist, we don't like that too much.
Then we have Donald Trump. I just want to mention
this again for the few people who haven't seen it.
Donald Trump pretended to filate a microphone. That was something
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that I will probably an image I will never be
able to get out of my head.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And then Donald.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Trump's people, the people around him, his other speakers have
also been an incredible disaster.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We have her Walker who said it stops on Tuesday
when we.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Vote for my friend and your friend Donald Trump Junior,
Donald Trump, Donald J.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
My favorite was what RFK said that he's going to
take the flour eye out of the water and created
that conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Uplied, Yes, RFK Junior is also going to take the
floor out of the water so we can all have
cavities again. But Marco Rubio wants everyone to know and
I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Who is thinking this, but this is just amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Marco Rubio, who is Cuban, tells the crowded Trump's rallies.
I want to make clear that Mark Cuban is not Cuban.
I don't know how he got that name. He's not
Cuban all right.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think this goes to that thing of what Josh
Marshall said on a previous episode of our podcast that
this is what happens when your four chan is doing
the forwarding of your rallies like kids who grew up
on four chan.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's pretty bleak.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean it's we're The next time we come to you,
it will be us trying to fill a buster because
we don't know the results of the election.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We do have a little bit more polling though, that
we could share with people some last minute polls that
they may not have heard because they were doing better
things on their Sunday than what you and I were doing.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
They're not extreme for those of you who are not
extremely online. We have a general election New York Times poll,
General election New York Times North Carolina poll, and it
shows Harris up to over Trump, and that would track
from what we've seen because Donald Trump has been in
North Carolina twice or three times this weekend, and if
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Donald Trump loses North Carolina that'll be really tough for him.
That's an A plus poll of a thousand and ten
likely voters.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And the last poll had him up by two right.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So that will be a that's a four point movement
towards Harris, which is something to think about. And then
a final NBC News poll, the last poll of twenty
twenty four presidential campaign shows that Trump is only earning
nine percent of black support. That's lower than he the
twelve percent he received during the twenty twenty presidential election
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when he ran against Joe Biden. Now, I just want
to point out that we have had so many fucking
articles about how Donald Trump is peeling away the black
vote and how he selling sneakers was going to get
black voters. So again, we don't know what the final
numbers look like, but I just want to point out
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that if he's doing three points less well than he
was with Joe Biden, it means that the sneakers.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Did not work.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, so, Molly. Our last subject for our headlines is
a not so fun one, which is that The Daily
Beast has released more tapes of Jeffrey Epstein, which I
have heard a lot, and he really really talks about
how good friends him and Trump were and calls him
one of his closest friends for ten years. And there's
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also there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
In there and what really struck out to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Remarkable, remarkable how intimate details he knew about Trump in
his life, which really showed how close a friends they were.
That was not the type of stuff that somebody you
occasionally see at a party knows about you. So just
a lot of stories of them hanging out together.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So I mean, again, I'm sure that there is certainly
some that they had some kind of relationship. And you'll
remember that a lot of these Trump supporters are obsessed
with pedophilia and child sexual abuse, and here is a
guy who legitimately ran a child sexual abuse ring who
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was talking about being friends with Trump. Unfortunately, all of
us information has come out way too late in the
cycle to affect the vote, which is sort of interesting
that these tapes get released.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like two three days before an election.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But they certainly are out there, though I'm not seeing
them get a ton of pick up.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Seems like it's getting a lot of pickup online, but
the mainstream media has not picked it up quite yet.
I also would say that the lawyers for mainstream media,
let's don't usually work on the weekends.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project
in the host of the Enemy's list, Welcome back too
Fast Politics.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's Sunday. You will listen to this on Monday.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The day before the twenty twenty four election. We have
the one, the only Rick Wilson here. Rick Wilson, what
are the vibes.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The vibes are that Maga world is in a horrible
teeth grinding, girning shit show.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Panic.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
These are like people who suddenly see the entire structure
they've built up to bullshit themselves not working on other
people anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Is it Seltzer Sunday? Let's talk about a Seltzer.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
It is an Seltzer Sunday. And Seltzer is probably one
of the best polsters in this country. And you know,
guys like me who've been around the block in Iowa
a couple of times over the decades, you looked at
the Seltzer pole as the most accurate and clean poll
in Iowa. She still uses a lot of old school methodology.
She doesn't go in and put her thumb on the
scale ahead of time to wait the survey to get
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the results she wants. It's very straightforward. And so the
fact that you have an Seltzer coming out on Friday
night on a Saturday Night, excuse.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Me, seven pm EST, Baby.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Seven pm Eest.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Forty seven to forty four among likely voters in the
Great State of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
With Harris in the lead, Harris ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Folks explain to our listeners how a Seltzer pole translates
to other states.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Okay, there are a lot of similarities between Iowa and
places like Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, even Ohio has some demographic parallels. Now, look,
do I think we're going to win Ohio?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
But do I think Ohio is going to be a
lot closer than people think. And what's really interesting under
the hood of the Selleser poll, Not only is the
head to head really important to look at, but what's
under the hood is that she's doing better with seniors
than Biden did in twenty twenty. She's doing much better
with young voters, she's doing much better with college educated voters.
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And all these numbers underneath it are showing a degree
of enthusiasm for her that I think is really telling,
and it is really important the voters that she's going
to be able to pull in a state like Iowa,
if it's even close in a state like Iowa, it's
going to mean very bad things for Donald Trump across
the country on election day. Iowa should be a safe
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red state. We know that the campaign is losing its mind.
Fat Tony the polster put out a memo last night
trying to blow up the Salzer poll. I can just
tell you, at no point in the history of any
time ever in America has anyone said, hmm, Tony the
pollster is more reliable than Ann Selzer. Never happened with
any human being. And the other part of this that's
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going on here is that you're seeing that women are
comprising a large sector of the likely electorate, a larger
than usual sector of the likely electorate. If that's the case,
Donald Trump is going to get blown out. And again,
I keep going back to this. You know me, I
am not like a stupidly optimistic guy. I am pretty
worn down and hardened by all this crap.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's one of your best qualities.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
For the last thirty years of doing this. But these
numbers across all these surveys are not showing a Trump victory.
If there is something like that that's out there that
we're not seeing, nobody else in the world is seeing
it either. I think a lot of these pollsters have
ended up putting their thumb on the scale because they
still have PTSD about twenty sixteen. They are terrified to
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show Trump behind because if he comes from behind, then wins. Somehow,
they're going to be embarrassed. But these numbers are not
holding up the big factors. More women voting, a huge
influx of younger women voters, women voters under the age
of thirty. They're not here because they're worried about trade policy.
They're here because they're worried about climate change. They're here
because the Dobbs decision.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I want to go back to Saltzer for a minute.
So the way it works is Democrats are supposed to
lose Iowa. Right, That's how it lot by a lot.
So here's how you interpret it. Trump at eleven plus
eleven or higher, that would be a Trump blowout. Trump
nine to ten plus is good. Seven to nine means
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a close election. Right, Trump up five to six in
Iowa is good for Harris. Trump plus four or lower
means a Harris blowout. We have Trump at negative three.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, if that ends up being the case, if we
end up seeing Iowa turned into a route on Trump,
it is going to be a very tough night for
Donald because increasingly our numbers, we are increasingly confident about
Michigan and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Just this morning, I was getting
briefed on a lot of the field activity in Pennsylvania.
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We've got our own teams up there as well, doing
work on the ground. We've got some of our people
up in Pennsylvania right now. And we had one of
our our guys go and actually worked doors yesterday and
this morning and in Trump areas, marginal areas. And he
reported back after eighty doors over two days that his
strongest takeaway was Democrats are hyped over the moon. Trump
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voters are angry, but a lot of people who should
be Trump voters, like I'm staying home. I don't want
to vote for her, but I can't deal with him
anymore either. I'll take it okay if we end up
with the Blue Wall. And as you can see, Trump
is playing hard defense right now in North Carolina. He
is spending the majority of his time in North Carolina.
There was some discussion inside Trump World last night.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because they can't afford to lose North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
No, if you lose North Carolina and Iowa and the
Blue Wall. That's it, We're done.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Nobody thinks let's just read for it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just I want to just add a cautious note, nobody
thinks Trump is going to lose Iowa.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's more of being close.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
In Iowa is a sign of how bad a position
Trump is in.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It is partially that. But I want to say this,
Ann Selzer's track record over the years of prediction in
Iowa is ridiculous. It is so high, it is so
consistently on the money.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And she called the election for Trump in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yes, And there are plenty of folks, you know, who
have never been in a campaign, by the way, who
have never done any electoral electoral work, who have never
dealt with pulling in any real capacity other than as
Internet experts on pulling. And there are so many of them.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's nice. I like it when you get into the
resentful part.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
There are a lot of these people. John Patriot four
sex seven one oh two four nine seven to two,
who became a Twitter user on August twenty twenty three,
who's like my analysis of these polls and it gets
like a billion a billion retweets from morons. You're like, stop, stop,
this is really not as difficult as you think. Women
are pissed off. Young women are extremely, extremely pissed off.
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She's winning for at least overperforming with college educated women
and college educated men. If you take away those two
demos from the Trump coalition, you're done this country. I
feel like in a lot of ways, it woke up
about twenty four hours ago, forty eight hours ago and said, oh,
I'm done. That's enough, because they get it. They get
what's at stake. They get what they get that their
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liberty is at stake. They get that their lives are
at stake. And Donald Trump hasn't helped himself in the
last ten days unless he's looking for post prison employment.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I want to talk about one other thing about
polling before we stop being me into Nate Silver.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
If you're in line to dunk on Nate Silver, stay
in line.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is like two way too online people complain about
other way too online people. But I have another thing.
I want to just take a minute to talk about hurting.
Explain to our listeners what hurting is.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Go there's a sort of social behavior of pushing people
into the same frame of the narrative, the same conclusory
frame of a narrative. And I'm sorry, I have to
just break in for a second while we're recording this.
I just got a message on my phone that says
Miami University of Ohio has just released their survey. It's
a pretty good survey generally speaking. Trump forty nine, Here's
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forty six in Ohio. Issu's three points back in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
He's fucked.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's fuck a doodle doo. As they say in the
technical polling world.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think Mike DeWine won that stay by twenty seven points.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, And so let's be let's be very real here
about what this means. This means that there is no
say place for Trump anywhere outside of the.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Deep South and Fox News.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
No, he hates Fox News now. I don't know if
you saw it. Since this morning, he's very very angry.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Why what did they do to him? Those bastards.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
They've allowed ads on their air that criticize him.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
God damn it, monsters.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I know it's terrible.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But by the way, the other thing that Sealzer poll
was telling me, back to Luke, back to Iowa and
herding for a second, because this is the.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Opposite of it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Twenty five points. Sorry, Mike DeWine got reelected with twenty
five points.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
The other thing that's going on in Iowa is Democrats,
even in some of the more difficult districts there are
overperforming by about seven or eight points where.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
They should be.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No one knows what's going to happen on Tuesday, but
I want to do two seconds about how fucking wrong
the media industrial complex was at every point.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Well, that's what I was getting to because you had
you did ask a very smart question about what the
herting effect. And for the last let's even just take
it from the time Vice President Harris got into the race.
Between that period of time and today, there has been
one narrative in the national media, only one narrative, tie ballgame,
horse race, too close to call, split right down the middle.
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It's not true. And they've they've managed to heard a
lot of people who follow the mainstream media into a
mental frame of oh, it's too close to call, it's
too close to call. Yes, it's close, it may not be.
There are now many many more signs and look, we're
rerunning a bunch of regressions on our model this morning.
It's not going to pop out till later in the
day because it's we're going to run five thousand tests
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or something like that. Our model's chance of Harris blowout
has been spiking up dramatically in the last few days,
and we think with this last round of polling, even
though everybody steps on the numbers, even though everybody is
like desperately trying to not be embarrassed by missing out
a Trump surge like they did in twenty sixteen and
living out their PTSD for all that, I'm increasingly feeling
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like this is not a tie ball game. And again,
is there something out there? Is there something we're missing
ex factor that I'm missing. I have laid awake at night.
I have pondered this. I have talked to people smarter
than me by a long shot, and I might add I.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Have called you five times a day for the last
ten days.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And asked you how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And also, is there something you're fucking missing?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, and believe me, I want to know what I'm missing.
If I'm missing something, I want to know it. I
want to find it. I want to kill it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But you want to shoot it with the gun?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Well, yes, actually I do.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I don't have a failure mode in these models right
now that I'm not seeing early voting numbers are so
heavily stacked over toward women that unless there's some secret
Trump vote of women on abortion in his side of
this matter, I can't find it. Unless there's some secret
field program out there that Elon is running and not
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just dragging people around in rider trucks and abandoning them
in faraway states, we're not seeing its effect. All of
these things are in my mind and signs of an
impending win for Harris.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I want to pause for a second, just for
one last thing about polls. All of these polls have
been R plus two or R plus three because they
weren't expecting an R plus two or R pus three
or electorate, when in fact, after overturning Roe v. Wade
a right that women have had since nineteen seventy three,
it would have been more realistic to have maybe pulled
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with a D plus one electorate.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean stacking the electorate to look like R
plus two, three, four, five, six, or even stacking the
electorate in some of these cases to look like twenty sixteen.
If you look at the way twenty sixteen ended, Donald
Trump how to be portray Hillary Clinton sick, old, tired,
couldn't finish a speech, week, failing, not doing well, disliked
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by her own party in many ways, no real constituency.
Trump has become the character that he pretended Hillary Clinton
was in twenty sixteen. Oh it's smart, okay, And I
think that is going to corrode Trump in this last bit.
And I will also say this, we're looking at a
real the rally differential. I know it's like aneic data
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as they call it. But Trump in these small halls
with these small audiences that don't look that revved up,
don't look that enthusiastic. And yesterday when he was out
there on this company, He's like, this is almost the end.
We won't be doing this much longer. He gets it,
he knows this is over. He knows it's not coming back.
He's not going to have some sort of magical flip.
This thing doesn't have the feel. And I know feelings
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are are not data, but it doesn't have the feel
and the vibe that you would have. And think about
how the campaigns are ending, Molly. She's ending optimistic, big crowds,
big excitement going on Saturday night, live optimistic message, keeping
up this idea that the country's going to be better.
Donald Trump is still you know, the apocalypse, doom and gloom.
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They're eating the dogs, all this crap, and nothing they're
doing is working to change that narrative ructure.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I also think we didn't cover the right stuff, Like
if you're going to post mortem mainstream media, and I
say this as a member of the mainstream media, we
didn't spend enough time covering women. We didn't spend enough
time covering Roe v.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Wade. You know, we spend so.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Much time being mad at Hispanic men and not nearly
enough time looking at the women vote or looking at
and you know, Hispanic men may end up supporting her
in the same numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
We don't know, right, we're not at.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
A moment where journalism is ready to take a look
at how they blew this race, but they did. We're
not at a moment where conservatism inc. Is ready to.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Say, oh my god, we've really fucked this up.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And honestly, the idea that people are going to say, oh,
you're just attacking the Times or you're just mad at
the media, because blah blah, I'm mad at them for
fucking up their own reputations. I'm mad at them for
drinking the poison that Trump keeps feeding them every minute
of the day. I'm mad at them for putting themselves
in a way that compromises is the future of journalism,
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because they were afraid that Trump might win, and that
some of them who we know are so sunk into
the Stockholm syndrome of being afraid of Trump that they
are buying into the bullshit of Trump. I mean, all
this has to be in a challenging media environment. A
little bit of recognition of their self and their and
their own culpability to the corruption of Trump and trump
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Ism would be really smart. But these narratives that they
ran down the rabbit hole on Here's what's going to
happen with African Americans on Tuesday. They're going to fall
almost precisely within the historical median of African American voter performance,
both in terms of turnout and in terms of party selection.
He may have a small spike in Hispanic support, but
it's probably still going to fall short at what George W.
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Bush got in twenty or thirty seven percent. The things
that they claimed they were doing and the things they
claimed that their message was influenced where their message was
influencing in the campaign were bullshit, and the reporters around
them in the bubble of Trump World drank the poison,
believe the bullshit. And I get it. It's a hard
thing to do to be as a critical voice and
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to question these people when they know that access and
connection and Trump World whatever is vital. I mean, the
only time now that it's started to break down, where
reporters are starting to drill in and do things that
the campaign hates texted was somebody last night who told
me that the nuclear meltdown over the tim alberta article
from the Atlantic this weekend inside Trump World is beyond
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I mean they've all started the blame storming.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, that article was amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, that was like them starting blamestorming even before the
early voting was counted, right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yes, Sadly, I think you're going to see the media say, well,
we did as good as we could because Trump is
so weird and so degenerate and so blah blah blah
blah blah, and nobody could have done a better job,
and so we're going to forgive ourselves and move on.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Thank you of course.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Jessica Mackler is the president of Emily's List. Welcome to
Fast Politics, Jessica Meckler. I am so excited to have
you here. I want to just give a two second
introduction to you. You are the head of Emily's List,
which is this organization that's a long established organization to
a luck women. But we did a panel together at
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the Harvard Institute of Politics and what I was struck
by was how much you are in it in the field.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So where are you right now and tell us about that?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yes, well, I am in Las Vegasabata today and this
is I think my eighth thop in just a couple
of weeks out of the campaign trail. I was with
other Reproductive Freedom partners and Thunder Jackie Rosen and Sundator
Sammy Duckworth this morning talking about the things to reproductive
freedom here in Nevada.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So two questions about Nevada.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
One is what is it like? Can you see the sphere?
And is that the largest political advertisement ever? And is
Harris on it?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
It's just a bit of sort of trivia. But do
you think that that will have any influence on voting?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
We are going to drive by this spehar because I'm
actually headed back to the airport to go to another
campaign and stop. But I've seen pictures of it, I
haven't seen it in person of it. I want to
before I go.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Look.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I mean, this election Nevada's battleground state. I've worked here before,
and I will say that it is always close. We
know this was the state in twenty twenty two that
delivered the hold of the Sun of Majority in the
closest race in the country, and so we expect that
again this time. And I think anything that we can
do to put the message in front of voters is
going to be really critical in this final stretch.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's funny because it's like there was initially a big
freak out about the early vote in Nevada, and then
Democrats caught up almost or close to right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And it's just interesting to me that historically that's how
it goes there.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Right.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, I think early vote is really important in Nevada
because a lot of voters do participate in the early vote.
The key thing in this election cycle is there's just
a lot of different factors that make it a little
bit hard to compare with this election cycle to other
election cycles. Republicans, despite complaining about early vote and disparaging
early votes, have decided to encourage their voters to vote early,
and so we're seeing that they're cannibalizing their election day vote.
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Twenty percent of the Republicans who voted early in this
election historically vote on election day. And we also know
that because now Nevada has automatic voter registration, and when
you're registered automatically, you're a registered nonpartisan, and so we
have a big other nonpartisan category started the early book. Yeah,
And what we know though, is that when we look
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at the demographics of those voters who are voting early,
they are younger, they are more diverse, and so we
feel really good about that electorate turning out for us
and being with the Democrats in this election. But you know,
it is going to be a close election. We've known that.
I've said for weeks and months that Nevada was going
to be close because it's a battleground state for a reason,
so we need every vote vote. I will The other
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thing I will just say is that Nevada knows how
to do the work. And I was in a standing
room only crowd today of people who were revved up
to go give this phone bank, do the work to
bring in those voters.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Rosen has led Brown this entire time in the center
race at the bottom of the ticket. Doesn't that account
for anything?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Absolutely, I mean Jackie Rosen enters the final stretch of
this election in a strong place because of the campaign
that she's built, because of the record that she has,
and that really has been driven by the fight for
reproductive rights. He has made this issue essential part of
her campaign and has really driven home in the contrast
between herself and Sam Brown. You know, she comes into
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these final days of this election after having run this
incredibly strong campaign, and that is really important. As we
get to the ends here.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Talk to me about the other battlegrounds, for example, this
Pennsylvania early vote situation, because it could be a meaning
couple indication of what we're going to see too, it
could also not be.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, this is the hardest part, right because everybody, you know,
we because the election is so important, the states are
so high and so we're looking for every little tidbit
to try to figure out where things stand. But we
have some encouraging news. Right It's notspositive, but we are
looking at the numbers in Pennsylvania and we feel really
good about that. We see that among the new female voters,
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Democrats outnumber Republicans nearly two to one. And then we
see that we just overall are seeing turnout with women
in Pennsylvania and in other early vote states. That is
really encouraging.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Which other early vote states.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
The early numbers out of North Carolina as well show
that women are out paything bad And you know, across
the battle ground we see a ten point gender gap
in early voting so far. That is really encouraging because
we know that it's a diverse coalition of women that
are going to deliver a win up and down the
ballot for Democrats, starting with Kamala Harris, and we know
that those women are voting on the issue of reproduction.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Rya, I want you to talk about the volunteers you've
seen with volunteers on the ground, because I think that's
really important.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Absolutely. I mean, I, like I said, I'm here in
Las Vegas about it. Today. We had a standing room
only crowd, very heavily female crowd in attendance, showing up
to rally for reproductive freedom, but not just a rally
for reproductive freedom. The reason they were there is because
they are volunteers, and they're the steadbath volunteers out there
knocking on the doors, making the phone calls. It's cooled
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off a little bit here in Las Vegas, but I
was here a couple of weeks ago. We had the
same type of turnout in one hundred degree heat. Basically
people showing up ready to do the work because they're
so motivated. Selection last week, I was in Rochester, Michigan,
which is a purple part of the state. It's a
really important part of the state in terms of the
path to victory statewide and for targeted races at all
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levels of the ballot, and we had again standing room
only crowd full of women really energized both to hear
what we had to say, but then also to go
from there and take a walk, packet or take a
phone shift do the work. So the energy and the
excitement that we see among women in particular across the battlegrounds,
and I would say even drilling down a little bit
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young women across the battlegrounds, which you know we define
as forty five and under.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
It's really incredible. Yeah, I have six more months or
it makes me really happy. You know, the vibes in
DC are anxious, but the vibes on the ground and
battle ground states are energetic.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So yes, it seems like there's some information out of
Pennsylvania now that Trump is struggling with older voters.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Those were the voters.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That he had sort of lost in twenty twenty from
COVID and it seems like they have maybe not come
back to him.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
That's right, And I mean, I think one thing that's
really important to think about when you think about those
older voters, especially older women, that we have seen in
the polling data, is that they remember a time when
these ripe for a risk, and they have that history
and so or where these rights didn't exist and they
are now watching in horror as their granddaughters and daughters
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are fighting the fi that they thought was one. We
really do see a lot of opportunity with those older
voters sixty five and over. We have seen that, as
you said, in Pennsylvania, they Democrats aged over sixty five
have outloaded Republicans. And then we also just see across
if you look at every age demographic and across race,
across geography, women voters are breaking for Kapla Harris in
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this real way, and so we look at you. There
was a full last week that had her with a
nine point lead among suburban women, and we had full
among young voters to where she leads by twenty points
young women voters. And so it's those metrics when we
look at kind of any different bucket, we are seeing that,
particularly for women, they are rallying around the Vice president.
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They are energized by her, and they are rejecting this
politics of hate and division and a platform that is
going to deny us our rights for a generation to cop.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
At least where else have you been in what other
Senate candidates have you been sort of involved with in
the field.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Absolutely so, I was in Michigan campaigning for a list
of block ken in the Michigan center race. She too
is a veteran of tough races and is in a
really strong position in a battleground state. All of these
races are going to be close, we just have to
acknowledge that. But her candidacy has been really strong, again
someone who has put the issue of reproductive freedom front
and center. I am headed tonight to oh Claire, Wisconsin.
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The campaign for Tammy Baldwin in the Senate race. There
another state Wisconsin that will be very very close, but
where we have an opponent in Eric Hobdy who just
recently said that young women were single issue voters and
kind of, you know, in a disparaging way. That's an
example of somebody, you know, we see this across the
board with these Republican candidates who just really doesn't get it.
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It's not that young women are single issue voters. It's
that we don't want to die. We don't want our
friends to die, we don't want a relatives to die.
They really are missing the mark in terms of understanding
what's going on here. But those are all candidates who
are in really strong positions heading into the final stretch,
all of who are going to have extraordinarily tight margin.
But we feel all optimistic about them because of both
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the strong candidacy they provided and also just the leadership
of the centering of this fite for reproductive breedem.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
What I'm thinking about when I heard you talk at
Harvard when we were on this panel, I thought, I've
been on so much television and media and writing and
reading so many pieces and listening to so many podcasts
and women are really kind of not thought of as
an important issue. We're sort of relegated to the back. Still,
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what I think is so interesting about this and we've
seen so much coverage of Tromp and his conservatives and
voters that might do this or do that, and just
not a lot of coverage about all of these women
who are pissed off about losing their rights.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm sort of struck by that.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And if in the end, and again we don't know
what's going to happen, and anyone who tells you they
do is really full of shit. But in the end,
if women do deliver this victory for Harris, it is
such an indictment of the way the mainstream media coppers politics.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I couldn't agree more. And you know, I believe Look
as an organization that was founded forty years ago by
a generation of women who were pissed off that they
were being desmits and not taking seriously. And to push
women to the forefront, and to see women even to
your point that we still don't necessarily have that coverage
and that attention, but that they are driving this fight
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and driving these wins is really remarkable. And you know,
one other thing I would say, is that it really
matters sav a candidate like Vice President Kamala Harritz, who
is meeting the moment in so many ways, but meeting
this moment for women who are outraged, and she can
say to them, on the foundation of an entire lifetime
of fighting these fights, you know you're a bad I'm
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mad too, and we're here's something we're going to do
about it. And the power of that is just really remarkable.
And I think that is what is driving what we're
seeing across this country right now.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, and again, I am a big Joe Biden fan,
and I really appreciate all of the work he's done,
and he's been just magnificent passing legislation, but he is
not great at talking about abortion.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Joe Biden did the most patriotic thing that a person
can do, and as a testament to his leadership that
he looked at this and said this is too important.
It's bigger than me, and he handed the thought to
Kamala Harris, who is our nation's strongest leader when it
comes to the issue group production freedom. When you think
about what it meant for her to bring abortion storytellers
to the White House, what it meant for her to
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be the first vice president or president to visit an
abortion clinic when a plan imparadheit clinic. And so the
leadership that she provides on this issue is, like you said,
it's built on a foundation of having done this work
for entire life. And it really shows us in this
moment the imperative around women's leadership and the imperative around
having leaders like the Vice president who have done this
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work for a long time.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, I think that's really important for me.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
When I was at the dm SEE in Chicago, what
I was struck by was that almost not all of
them because there were some older men, but most of
the volunteers who were staffing were black women.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Yeah, representation matters so much, and at this moment, you know,
when we think about the moment we're in the fight
for reproductive freedom. You can't talk about reproductive freedom in
this country without talking about that in the context of
the Black maternal health crisis. And so we know that
whether it's reproductive freedom or so many other issues, the
ramifications of policies that are adopted in Washington have different
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impact and often our short impact in communities of color
for black women, and so to have women at the
table of all backgrounds, bringing that into the conversation and
leading these fights forward with these viewpoints and understanding what
it means for various communities when we pass these policies,
and particularly again when we pass policies that restrict our
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rights and our freedoms, we see that those outcomes are
far worse in communities of color, and in particular for
black women, And so it matters a lot. And I
think you see then also black women have been the
drivers of democratic wins for a very long time, and
so it is also really important that we give that
the recognition that it deserves and that they deserve.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, in Georgia, can you talk to us just about
what you think? Like there is a Warnock coalition that
has come out like seventy five times to vote for
him because get to run in primaries, in generals and runoffs.
The architect of that war, Notock coalition, works for the
Harris campaign. Now do you think that they aren't going
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to be able to turn out? Have you been to
Georgia and what are you seeing in Georgia.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
I haven't been to Georgia in the last couple of weeks,
but I have certainly been observing the numbers. I think
we've seen that the state isn't played, and it's reflected
in the visit from the Vice President and from other surrogates.
The truth is that the Vice President has multiple paths
to two seventy. That wasn't true several months ago. It
is true now, and it is because of the type
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of candidate that she is in the leadership that she provides,
and so Georgia's and play North Carolina's and play the
Blue Wall is of course going to be very important.
The fact that there are these multiple paths too two
seventy is so critical because we know that these races
are decided by often, you know, a handful of votes
for precinct.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, you're going to go next to Wisconsin.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yep, So I do okare with Counsin tomorrow and then
I head to Maryland. Emily has been involved with the
effort to elect to Angela Alsobrooks the United States Senate
from the very beginning of her campaign, and so I'm
really excited to spend the last two days of the
election campaigning with her. We were heavily involved in the
primary and then again in this general election where she's
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running against a former Republican governor who had been pretending
that he didn't like Donald Trump, and then we just
found out he's bragging about an endorsement to donors in private,
and so we know what's at stake theirs. I'll be
finishing out the election campaigning with Angela and I'm really
excited about her election. And you know you and I
ha he talked about this when we saw each other recently.
We have the opportunity in this election to double the
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number of Black women in the United States Senate. So
with angel also broke through the Prince George's county executive
in Maryland, and Lisa Blunt Rochester, who's a congresswoman from
Delaware who's also someone we've supported throughout her career. They
are both well positioned to win their Senate races. Angela's
is still competitive, but we feel good about her race
and we can in this one election cycle double the
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number of Black women and Senate now two people.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
We're not going to forty here, but it's progress.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
That's not enough, that's not an acceptable number, but it's progress.
And like the Vice President, it shows that when we
invest in and support these women candidates who are just
incredible leaders that we can't make progress and we can
do big things. And so the opportunity we have in
front of us in these next four days is really incredible.
The threat is real, the stakes are high, but the
opportunity is there too.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I really appreciate you taking the time, I'm on your
way to Claire, Wisconsin to come on and talk to us.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Really, thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
A moment fuck.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Rick Wellsen Molli Jong Fast, do you have a moment
of fuckery?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
My moment of fuckery is the absolutely astounding degree to
which Elon Musk the richest man in the world, and
some people think he's a genius of some kind. How badly,
a group of consultants from Ron De Santis's world took
Elon Musk out to dinner, liquered him up, took him
out behind the barn, spanked him, took his wallet, left
(39:38):
him buck naked at the bus stop. These people have
fucked him for one hundred million dollars. One hundred million
or more dollars. This is the most astounding political scam
in the history of mankind. Elon has been sold.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
A pig in a poke a bill of goods.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
He has bought into the idea that these people were
actually with their hobo army out knocked looking on doors.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
They weren't. This is I mean.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
If Elon doesn't sue these fuckers for all that they're
worth and take back the one hundred million plus he's
paid them, he is a damn fool. That is my
moment of fuckery.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
My moment of fuckery is Donald trump fulating a microphone.
You may not have seen this video if you're not
very online. On Friday, he was on a rally, his
microphone stopped working. He pantomimed fallatio on the microphone. I
am a person who grew up in New York City
in the eighties. My mother wrote erotic novels, and I
have never seen anything like that in my life. Like,
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I literally have never seen a person pretend to fulate
a microphone, let alone a presidential candidate.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It is an image I kind of get out of
my head. It was shocking. A lot of mainstream media
is not.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Covering it because it's so disgusting, but there are endless
videos of it.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And it all deserves a soundtrack of its own that
goes like this.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, theyre always elevating the discourse.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Rick Wilson, I am here to make the discourse sing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
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Speaker 2 (41:30):
Thanks for listening.
Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
today's best minds. And Donald Trump won't rule out banning
vaccines if he becomes president. We have a great show
for you today, the Lincoln Project. Zonne Rick Wilson breaks
down the Des Moines Register seltzer ple and what it
(00:23):
tells us about the vice president's chances of becoming our
next president.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Then we'll talk to Emily's.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
List Jessica Meckler about how she sees reproductive rights affecting
this election.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
But first the news.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So, Molly, we are in the final unraveling of Trump
on this campaign trail. He's talking about that if you
shoot the press, he doesn't care. He said he shouldn't
have left the White House after the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
What are you seeing here? Because what I'm seeing I
don't like.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's a whole cavalcade of crazy. We have Donald Trump
bragging about how many filled seats there are in his rally. Wow,
the camera is panning to half empty seats. We have
Donald Trump saying that they should take away the licensing
(01:20):
for CBS. We have Donald Trump talking about how he
would be fine if people want to shoot through the
journal as a journalist, we don't like that too much.
Then we have Donald Trump. I just want to mention
this again for the few people who haven't seen it.
Donald Trump pretended to filate a microphone. That was something
(01:44):
that I will probably an image I will never be
able to get out of my head.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And then Donald.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Trump's people, the people around him, his other speakers have
also been an incredible disaster.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We have her Walker who said it stops on Tuesday
when we.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Vote for my friend and your friend Donald Trump Junior,
Donald Trump, Donald J.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Trump.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
My favorite was what RFK said that he's going to
take the flour eye out of the water and created
that conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Uplied, Yes, RFK Junior is also going to take the
floor out of the water so we can all have
cavities again. But Marco Rubio wants everyone to know and
I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Who is thinking this, but this is just amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Marco Rubio, who is Cuban, tells the crowded Trump's rallies.
I want to make clear that Mark Cuban is not Cuban.
I don't know how he got that name. He's not
Cuban all right.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I think this goes to that thing of what Josh
Marshall said on a previous episode of our podcast that
this is what happens when your four chan is doing
the forwarding of your rallies like kids who grew up
on four chan.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's pretty bleak.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean it's we're The next time we come to you,
it will be us trying to fill a buster because
we don't know the results of the election.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We do have a little bit more polling though, that
we could share with people some last minute polls that
they may not have heard because they were doing better
things on their Sunday than what you and I were doing.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
They're not extreme for those of you who are not
extremely online. We have a general election New York Times poll,
General election New York Times North Carolina poll, and it
shows Harris up to over Trump, and that would track
from what we've seen because Donald Trump has been in
North Carolina twice or three times this weekend, and if
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Donald Trump loses North Carolina that'll be really tough for him.
That's an A plus poll of a thousand and ten
likely voters.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And the last poll had him up by two right.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So that will be a that's a four point movement
towards Harris, which is something to think about. And then
a final NBC News poll, the last poll of twenty
twenty four presidential campaign shows that Trump is only earning
nine percent of black support. That's lower than he the
twelve percent he received during the twenty twenty presidential election
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when he ran against Joe Biden. Now, I just want
to point out that we have had so many fucking
articles about how Donald Trump is peeling away the black
vote and how he selling sneakers was going to get
black voters. So again, we don't know what the final
numbers look like, but I just want to point out
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that if he's doing three points less well than he
was with Joe Biden, it means that the sneakers.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Did not work.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, so, Molly. Our last subject for our headlines is
a not so fun one, which is that The Daily
Beast has released more tapes of Jeffrey Epstein, which I
have heard a lot, and he really really talks about
how good friends him and Trump were and calls him
one of his closest friends for ten years. And there's
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also there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
In there and what really struck out to you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Remarkable, remarkable how intimate details he knew about Trump in
his life, which really showed how close a friends they were.
That was not the type of stuff that somebody you
occasionally see at a party knows about you. So just
a lot of stories of them hanging out together.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So I mean, again, I'm sure that there is certainly
some that they had some kind of relationship. And you'll
remember that a lot of these Trump supporters are obsessed
with pedophilia and child sexual abuse, and here is a
guy who legitimately ran a child sexual abuse ring who
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was talking about being friends with Trump. Unfortunately, all of
us information has come out way too late in the
cycle to affect the vote, which is sort of interesting
that these tapes get released.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like two three days before an election.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But they certainly are out there, though I'm not seeing
them get a ton of pick up.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Seems like it's getting a lot of pickup online, but
the mainstream media has not picked it up quite yet.
I also would say that the lawyers for mainstream media,
let's don't usually work on the weekends.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project
in the host of the Enemy's list, Welcome back too
Fast Politics.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's Sunday. You will listen to this on Monday.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The day before the twenty twenty four election. We have
the one, the only Rick Wilson here. Rick Wilson, what
are the vibes.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The vibes are that Maga world is in a horrible
teeth grinding, girning shit show.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Panic.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
These are like people who suddenly see the entire structure
they've built up to bullshit themselves not working on other
people anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Is it Seltzer Sunday? Let's talk about a Seltzer.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
It is an Seltzer Sunday. And Seltzer is probably one
of the best polsters in this country. And you know,
guys like me who've been around the block in Iowa
a couple of times over the decades, you looked at
the Seltzer pole as the most accurate and clean poll
in Iowa. She still uses a lot of old school methodology.
She doesn't go in and put her thumb on the
scale ahead of time to wait the survey to get
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the results she wants. It's very straightforward. And so the
fact that you have an Seltzer coming out on Friday
night on a Saturday Night, excuse.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Me, seven pm EST, Baby.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Seven pm Eest.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Forty seven to forty four among likely voters in the
Great State of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
With Harris in the lead, Harris ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Folks explain to our listeners how a Seltzer pole translates
to other states.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Okay, there are a lot of similarities between Iowa and
places like Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, even Ohio has some demographic parallels. Now, look,
do I think we're going to win Ohio?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
But do I think Ohio is going to be a
lot closer than people think. And what's really interesting under
the hood of the Selleser poll, Not only is the
head to head really important to look at, but what's
under the hood is that she's doing better with seniors
than Biden did in twenty twenty. She's doing much better
with young voters, she's doing much better with college educated voters.
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And all these numbers underneath it are showing a degree
of enthusiasm for her that I think is really telling,
and it is really important the voters that she's going
to be able to pull in a state like Iowa,
if it's even close in a state like Iowa, it's
going to mean very bad things for Donald Trump across
the country on election day. Iowa should be a safe
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red state. We know that the campaign is losing its mind.
Fat Tony the polster put out a memo last night
trying to blow up the Salzer poll. I can just
tell you, at no point in the history of any
time ever in America has anyone said, hmm, Tony the
pollster is more reliable than Ann Selzer. Never happened with
any human being. And the other part of this that's
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going on here is that you're seeing that women are
comprising a large sector of the likely electorate, a larger
than usual sector of the likely electorate. If that's the case,
Donald Trump is going to get blown out. And again,
I keep going back to this. You know me, I
am not like a stupidly optimistic guy. I am pretty
worn down and hardened by all this crap.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's one of your best qualities.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
For the last thirty years of doing this. But these
numbers across all these surveys are not showing a Trump victory.
If there is something like that that's out there that
we're not seeing, nobody else in the world is seeing
it either. I think a lot of these pollsters have
ended up putting their thumb on the scale because they
still have PTSD about twenty sixteen. They are terrified to
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show Trump behind because if he comes from behind, then wins. Somehow,
they're going to be embarrassed. But these numbers are not
holding up the big factors. More women voting, a huge
influx of younger women voters, women voters under the age
of thirty. They're not here because they're worried about trade policy.
They're here because they're worried about climate change. They're here
because the Dobbs decision.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, I want to go back to Saltzer for a minute.
So the way it works is Democrats are supposed to
lose Iowa. Right, That's how it lot by a lot.
So here's how you interpret it. Trump at eleven plus
eleven or higher, that would be a Trump blowout. Trump
nine to ten plus is good. Seven to nine means
(10:43):
a close election. Right, Trump up five to six in
Iowa is good for Harris. Trump plus four or lower
means a Harris blowout. We have Trump at negative three.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, if that ends up being the case, if we
end up seeing Iowa turned into a route on Trump,
it is going to be a very tough night for
Donald because increasingly our numbers, we are increasingly confident about
Michigan and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Just this morning, I was getting
briefed on a lot of the field activity in Pennsylvania.
(11:16):
We've got our own teams up there as well, doing
work on the ground. We've got some of our people
up in Pennsylvania right now. And we had one of
our our guys go and actually worked doors yesterday and
this morning and in Trump areas, marginal areas. And he
reported back after eighty doors over two days that his
strongest takeaway was Democrats are hyped over the moon. Trump
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voters are angry, but a lot of people who should
be Trump voters, like I'm staying home. I don't want
to vote for her, but I can't deal with him
anymore either. I'll take it okay if we end up
with the Blue Wall. And as you can see, Trump
is playing hard defense right now in North Carolina. He
is spending the majority of his time in North Carolina.
There was some discussion inside Trump World last night.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Because they can't afford to lose North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
No, if you lose North Carolina and Iowa and the
Blue Wall. That's it, We're done.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Nobody thinks let's just read for it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just I want to just add a cautious note, nobody
thinks Trump is going to lose Iowa.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's more of being close.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
In Iowa is a sign of how bad a position
Trump is in.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It is partially that. But I want to say this,
Ann Selzer's track record over the years of prediction in
Iowa is ridiculous. It is so high, it is so
consistently on the money.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And she called the election for Trump in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yes, And there are plenty of folks, you know, who
have never been in a campaign, by the way, who
have never done any electoral electoral work, who have never
dealt with pulling in any real capacity other than as
Internet experts on pulling. And there are so many of them.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's nice. I like it when you get into the
resentful part.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
There are a lot of these people. John Patriot four
sex seven one oh two four nine seven to two,
who became a Twitter user on August twenty twenty three,
who's like my analysis of these polls and it gets
like a billion a billion retweets from morons. You're like, stop, stop,
this is really not as difficult as you think. Women
are pissed off. Young women are extremely, extremely pissed off.
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She's winning for at least overperforming with college educated women
and college educated men. If you take away those two
demos from the Trump coalition, you're done this country. I
feel like in a lot of ways, it woke up
about twenty four hours ago, forty eight hours ago and said, oh,
I'm done. That's enough, because they get it. They get
what's at stake. They get what they get that their
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liberty is at stake. They get that their lives are
at stake. And Donald Trump hasn't helped himself in the
last ten days unless he's looking for post prison employment.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I want to talk about one other thing about
polling before we stop being me into Nate Silver.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
If you're in line to dunk on Nate Silver, stay
in line.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This is like two way too online people complain about
other way too online people. But I have another thing.
I want to just take a minute to talk about hurting.
Explain to our listeners what hurting is.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Go there's a sort of social behavior of pushing people
into the same frame of the narrative, the same conclusory
frame of a narrative. And I'm sorry, I have to
just break in for a second while we're recording this.
I just got a message on my phone that says
Miami University of Ohio has just released their survey. It's
a pretty good survey generally speaking. Trump forty nine, Here's
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forty six in Ohio. Issu's three points back in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
He's fucked.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He's fuck a doodle doo. As they say in the
technical polling world.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think Mike DeWine won that stay by twenty seven points.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, And so let's be let's be very real here
about what this means. This means that there is no
say place for Trump anywhere outside of the.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Deep South and Fox News.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
No, he hates Fox News now. I don't know if
you saw it. Since this morning, he's very very angry.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Why what did they do to him? Those bastards.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
They've allowed ads on their air that criticize him.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
God damn it, monsters.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I know it's terrible.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But by the way, the other thing that Sealzer poll
was telling me, back to Luke, back to Iowa and
herding for a second, because this is the.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Opposite of it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Twenty five points. Sorry, Mike DeWine got reelected with twenty
five points.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
The other thing that's going on in Iowa is Democrats,
even in some of the more difficult districts there are
overperforming by about seven or eight points where.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
They should be.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No one knows what's going to happen on Tuesday, but
I want to do two seconds about how fucking wrong
the media industrial complex was at every point.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Well, that's what I was getting to because you had
you did ask a very smart question about what the
herting effect. And for the last let's even just take
it from the time Vice President Harris got into the race.
Between that period of time and today, there has been
one narrative in the national media, only one narrative, tie ballgame,
horse race, too close to call, split right down the middle.
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It's not true. And they've they've managed to heard a
lot of people who follow the mainstream media into a
mental frame of oh, it's too close to call, it's
too close to call. Yes, it's close, it may not be.
There are now many many more signs and look, we're
rerunning a bunch of regressions on our model this morning.
It's not going to pop out till later in the
day because it's we're going to run five thousand tests
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or something like that. Our model's chance of Harris blowout
has been spiking up dramatically in the last few days,
and we think with this last round of polling, even
though everybody steps on the numbers, even though everybody is
like desperately trying to not be embarrassed by missing out
a Trump surge like they did in twenty sixteen and
living out their PTSD for all that, I'm increasingly feeling
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like this is not a tie ball game. And again,
is there something out there? Is there something we're missing
ex factor that I'm missing. I have laid awake at night.
I have pondered this. I have talked to people smarter
than me by a long shot, and I might add I.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Have called you five times a day for the last
ten days.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And asked you how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And also, is there something you're fucking missing?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, and believe me, I want to know what I'm missing.
If I'm missing something, I want to know it. I
want to find it. I want to kill it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But you want to shoot it with the gun?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Well, yes, actually I do.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I don't have a failure mode in these models right
now that I'm not seeing early voting numbers are so
heavily stacked over toward women that unless there's some secret
Trump vote of women on abortion in his side of
this matter, I can't find it. Unless there's some secret
field program out there that Elon is running and not
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just dragging people around in rider trucks and abandoning them
in faraway states, we're not seeing its effect. All of
these things are in my mind and signs of an
impending win for Harris.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I want to pause for a second, just for
one last thing about polls. All of these polls have
been R plus two or R plus three because they
weren't expecting an R plus two or R pus three
or electorate, when in fact, after overturning Roe v. Wade
a right that women have had since nineteen seventy three,
it would have been more realistic to have maybe pulled
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with a D plus one electorate.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean stacking the electorate to look like R
plus two, three, four, five, six, or even stacking the
electorate in some of these cases to look like twenty sixteen.
If you look at the way twenty sixteen ended, Donald
Trump how to be portray Hillary Clinton sick, old, tired,
couldn't finish a speech, week, failing, not doing well, disliked
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by her own party in many ways, no real constituency.
Trump has become the character that he pretended Hillary Clinton
was in twenty sixteen. Oh it's smart, okay, And I
think that is going to corrode Trump in this last bit.
And I will also say this, we're looking at a
real the rally differential. I know it's like aneic data
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as they call it. But Trump in these small halls
with these small audiences that don't look that revved up,
don't look that enthusiastic. And yesterday when he was out
there on this company, He's like, this is almost the end.
We won't be doing this much longer. He gets it,
he knows this is over. He knows it's not coming back.
He's not going to have some sort of magical flip.
This thing doesn't have the feel. And I know feelings
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are are not data, but it doesn't have the feel
and the vibe that you would have. And think about
how the campaigns are ending, Molly. She's ending optimistic, big crowds,
big excitement going on Saturday night, live optimistic message, keeping
up this idea that the country's going to be better.
Donald Trump is still you know, the apocalypse, doom and gloom.
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They're eating the dogs, all this crap, and nothing they're
doing is working to change that narrative ructure.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I also think we didn't cover the right stuff, Like
if you're going to post mortem mainstream media, and I
say this as a member of the mainstream media, we
didn't spend enough time covering women. We didn't spend enough
time covering Roe v.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Wade. You know, we spend so.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Much time being mad at Hispanic men and not nearly
enough time looking at the women vote or looking at
and you know, Hispanic men may end up supporting her
in the same numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
We don't know, right, we're not at.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
A moment where journalism is ready to take a look
at how they blew this race, but they did. We're
not at a moment where conservatism inc. Is ready to.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Say, oh my god, we've really fucked this up.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And honestly, the idea that people are going to say, oh,
you're just attacking the Times or you're just mad at
the media, because blah blah, I'm mad at them for
fucking up their own reputations. I'm mad at them for
drinking the poison that Trump keeps feeding them every minute
of the day. I'm mad at them for putting themselves
in a way that compromises is the future of journalism,
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because they were afraid that Trump might win, and that
some of them who we know are so sunk into
the Stockholm syndrome of being afraid of Trump that they
are buying into the bullshit of Trump. I mean, all
this has to be in a challenging media environment. A
little bit of recognition of their self and their and
their own culpability to the corruption of Trump and trump
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Ism would be really smart. But these narratives that they
ran down the rabbit hole on Here's what's going to
happen with African Americans on Tuesday. They're going to fall
almost precisely within the historical median of African American voter performance,
both in terms of turnout and in terms of party selection.
He may have a small spike in Hispanic support, but
it's probably still going to fall short at what George W.
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Bush got in twenty or thirty seven percent. The things
that they claimed they were doing and the things they
claimed that their message was influenced where their message was
influencing in the campaign were bullshit, and the reporters around
them in the bubble of Trump World drank the poison,
believe the bullshit. And I get it. It's a hard
thing to do to be as a critical voice and
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to question these people when they know that access and
connection and Trump World whatever is vital. I mean, the
only time now that it's started to break down, where
reporters are starting to drill in and do things that
the campaign hates texted was somebody last night who told
me that the nuclear meltdown over the tim alberta article
from the Atlantic this weekend inside Trump World is beyond
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I mean they've all started the blame storming.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, that article was amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, that was like them starting blamestorming even before the
early voting was counted, right.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yes, Sadly, I think you're going to see the media say, well,
we did as good as we could because Trump is
so weird and so degenerate and so blah blah blah
blah blah, and nobody could have done a better job,
and so we're going to forgive ourselves and move on.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Thank you of course.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Jessica Mackler is the president of Emily's List. Welcome to
Fast Politics, Jessica Meckler. I am so excited to have
you here. I want to just give a two second
introduction to you. You are the head of Emily's List,
which is this organization that's a long established organization to
a luck women. But we did a panel together at
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the Harvard Institute of Politics and what I was struck
by was how much you are in it in the field.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So where are you right now and tell us about that?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yes, well, I am in Las Vegasabata today and this
is I think my eighth thop in just a couple
of weeks out of the campaign trail. I was with
other Reproductive Freedom partners and Thunder Jackie Rosen and Sundator
Sammy Duckworth this morning talking about the things to reproductive
freedom here in Nevada.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So two questions about Nevada.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
One is what is it like? Can you see the sphere?
And is that the largest political advertisement ever? And is
Harris on it?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
It's just a bit of sort of trivia. But do
you think that that will have any influence on voting?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
We are going to drive by this spehar because I'm
actually headed back to the airport to go to another
campaign and stop. But I've seen pictures of it, I
haven't seen it in person of it. I want to
before I go.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Look.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I mean, this election Nevada's battleground state. I've worked here before,
and I will say that it is always close. We
know this was the state in twenty twenty two that
delivered the hold of the Sun of Majority in the
closest race in the country, and so we expect that
again this time. And I think anything that we can
do to put the message in front of voters is
going to be really critical in this final stretch.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's funny because it's like there was initially a big
freak out about the early vote in Nevada, and then
Democrats caught up almost or close to right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And it's just interesting to me that historically that's how
it goes there.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Right.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, I think early vote is really important in Nevada
because a lot of voters do participate in the early vote.
The key thing in this election cycle is there's just
a lot of different factors that make it a little
bit hard to compare with this election cycle to other
election cycles. Republicans, despite complaining about early vote and disparaging
early votes, have decided to encourage their voters to vote early,
and so we're seeing that they're cannibalizing their election day vote.
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Twenty percent of the Republicans who voted early in this
election historically vote on election day. And we also know
that because now Nevada has automatic voter registration, and when
you're registered automatically, you're a registered nonpartisan, and so we
have a big other nonpartisan category started the early book. Yeah,
And what we know though, is that when we look
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at the demographics of those voters who are voting early,
they are younger, they are more diverse, and so we
feel really good about that electorate turning out for us
and being with the Democrats in this election. But you know,
it is going to be a close election. We've known that.
I've said for weeks and months that Nevada was going
to be close because it's a battleground state for a reason,
so we need every vote vote. I will The other
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thing I will just say is that Nevada knows how
to do the work. And I was in a standing
room only crowd today of people who were revved up
to go give this phone bank, do the work to
bring in those voters.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Rosen has led Brown this entire time in the center
race at the bottom of the ticket. Doesn't that account
for anything?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Absolutely, I mean Jackie Rosen enters the final stretch of
this election in a strong place because of the campaign
that she's built, because of the record that she has,
and that really has been driven by the fight for
reproductive rights. He has made this issue essential part of
her campaign and has really driven home in the contrast
between herself and Sam Brown. You know, she comes into
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these final days of this election after having run this
incredibly strong campaign, and that is really important. As we
get to the ends here.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Talk to me about the other battlegrounds, for example, this
Pennsylvania early vote situation, because it could be a meaning
couple indication of what we're going to see too, it
could also not be.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, this is the hardest part, right because everybody, you know,
we because the election is so important, the states are
so high and so we're looking for every little tidbit
to try to figure out where things stand. But we
have some encouraging news. Right It's notspositive, but we are
looking at the numbers in Pennsylvania and we feel really
good about that. We see that among the new female voters,
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Democrats outnumber Republicans nearly two to one. And then we
see that we just overall are seeing turnout with women
in Pennsylvania and in other early vote states. That is
really encouraging.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Which other early vote states.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
The early numbers out of North Carolina as well show
that women are out paything bad And you know, across
the battle ground we see a ten point gender gap
in early voting so far. That is really encouraging because
we know that it's a diverse coalition of women that
are going to deliver a win up and down the
ballot for Democrats, starting with Kamala Harris, and we know
that those women are voting on the issue of reproduction.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Rya, I want you to talk about the volunteers you've
seen with volunteers on the ground, because I think that's
really important.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Absolutely. I mean, I, like I said, I'm here in
Las Vegas about it. Today. We had a standing room
only crowd, very heavily female crowd in attendance, showing up
to rally for reproductive freedom, but not just a rally
for reproductive freedom. The reason they were there is because
they are volunteers, and they're the steadbath volunteers out there
knocking on the doors, making the phone calls. It's cooled
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off a little bit here in Las Vegas, but I
was here a couple of weeks ago. We had the
same type of turnout in one hundred degree heat. Basically
people showing up ready to do the work because they're
so motivated. Selection last week, I was in Rochester, Michigan,
which is a purple part of the state. It's a
really important part of the state in terms of the
path to victory statewide and for targeted races at all
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levels of the ballot, and we had again standing room
only crowd full of women really energized both to hear
what we had to say, but then also to go
from there and take a walk, packet or take a
phone shift do the work. So the energy and the
excitement that we see among women in particular across the battlegrounds,
and I would say even drilling down a little bit
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young women across the battlegrounds, which you know we define
as forty five and under.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
It's really incredible. Yeah, I have six more months or
it makes me really happy. You know, the vibes in
DC are anxious, but the vibes on the ground and
battle ground states are energetic.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So yes, it seems like there's some information out of
Pennsylvania now that Trump is struggling with older voters.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Those were the voters.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That he had sort of lost in twenty twenty from
COVID and it seems like they have maybe not come
back to him.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
That's right, And I mean, I think one thing that's
really important to think about when you think about those
older voters, especially older women, that we have seen in
the polling data, is that they remember a time when
these ripe for a risk, and they have that history
and so or where these rights didn't exist and they
are now watching in horror as their granddaughters and daughters
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are fighting the fi that they thought was one. We
really do see a lot of opportunity with those older
voters sixty five and over. We have seen that, as
you said, in Pennsylvania, they Democrats aged over sixty five
have outloaded Republicans. And then we also just see across
if you look at every age demographic and across race,
across geography, women voters are breaking for Kapla Harris in
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this real way, and so we look at you. There
was a full last week that had her with a
nine point lead among suburban women, and we had full
among young voters to where she leads by twenty points
young women voters. And so it's those metrics when we
look at kind of any different bucket, we are seeing that,
particularly for women, they are rallying around the Vice president.
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They are energized by her, and they are rejecting this
politics of hate and division and a platform that is
going to deny us our rights for a generation to cop.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
At least where else have you been in what other
Senate candidates have you been sort of involved with in
the field.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Absolutely so, I was in Michigan campaigning for a list
of block ken in the Michigan center race. She too
is a veteran of tough races and is in a
really strong position in a battleground state. All of these
races are going to be close, we just have to
acknowledge that. But her candidacy has been really strong, again
someone who has put the issue of reproductive freedom front
and center. I am headed tonight to oh Claire, Wisconsin.
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The campaign for Tammy Baldwin in the Senate race. There
another state Wisconsin that will be very very close, but
where we have an opponent in Eric Hobdy who just
recently said that young women were single issue voters and
kind of, you know, in a disparaging way. That's an
example of somebody, you know, we see this across the
board with these Republican candidates who just really doesn't get it.
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It's not that young women are single issue voters. It's
that we don't want to die. We don't want our
friends to die, we don't want a relatives to die.
They really are missing the mark in terms of understanding
what's going on here. But those are all candidates who
are in really strong positions heading into the final stretch,
all of who are going to have extraordinarily tight margin.
But we feel all optimistic about them because of both
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the strong candidacy they provided and also just the leadership
of the centering of this fite for reproductive breedem.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
What I'm thinking about when I heard you talk at
Harvard when we were on this panel, I thought, I've
been on so much television and media and writing and
reading so many pieces and listening to so many podcasts
and women are really kind of not thought of as
an important issue. We're sort of relegated to the back. Still,
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what I think is so interesting about this and we've
seen so much coverage of Tromp and his conservatives and
voters that might do this or do that, and just
not a lot of coverage about all of these women
who are pissed off about losing their rights.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm sort of struck by that.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And if in the end, and again we don't know
what's going to happen, and anyone who tells you they
do is really full of shit. But in the end,
if women do deliver this victory for Harris, it is
such an indictment of the way the mainstream media coppers politics.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I couldn't agree more. And you know, I believe Look
as an organization that was founded forty years ago by
a generation of women who were pissed off that they
were being desmits and not taking seriously. And to push
women to the forefront, and to see women even to
your point that we still don't necessarily have that coverage
and that attention, but that they are driving this fight
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and driving these wins is really remarkable. And you know,
one other thing I would say, is that it really
matters sav a candidate like Vice President Kamala Harritz, who
is meeting the moment in so many ways, but meeting
this moment for women who are outraged, and she can
say to them, on the foundation of an entire lifetime
of fighting these fights, you know you're a bad I'm
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mad too, and we're here's something we're going to do
about it. And the power of that is just really remarkable.
And I think that is what is driving what we're
seeing across this country right now.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, and again, I am a big Joe Biden fan,
and I really appreciate all of the work he's done,
and he's been just magnificent passing legislation, but he is
not great at talking about abortion.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Joe Biden did the most patriotic thing that a person
can do, and as a testament to his leadership that
he looked at this and said this is too important.
It's bigger than me, and he handed the thought to
Kamala Harris, who is our nation's strongest leader when it
comes to the issue group production freedom. When you think
about what it meant for her to bring abortion storytellers
to the White House, what it meant for her to
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be the first vice president or president to visit an
abortion clinic when a plan imparadheit clinic. And so the
leadership that she provides on this issue is, like you said,
it's built on a foundation of having done this work
for entire life. And it really shows us in this
moment the imperative around women's leadership and the imperative around
having leaders like the Vice president who have done this
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work for a long time.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, I think that's really important for me.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
When I was at the dm SEE in Chicago, what
I was struck by was that almost not all of
them because there were some older men, but most of
the volunteers who were staffing were black women.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Yeah, representation matters so much, and at this moment, you know,
when we think about the moment we're in the fight
for reproductive freedom. You can't talk about reproductive freedom in
this country without talking about that in the context of
the Black maternal health crisis. And so we know that
whether it's reproductive freedom or so many other issues, the
ramifications of policies that are adopted in Washington have different
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impact and often our short impact in communities of color
for black women, and so to have women at the
table of all backgrounds, bringing that into the conversation and
leading these fights forward with these viewpoints and understanding what
it means for various communities when we pass these policies,
and particularly again when we pass policies that restrict our
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rights and our freedoms, we see that those outcomes are
far worse in communities of color, and in particular for
black women, And so it matters a lot. And I
think you see then also black women have been the
drivers of democratic wins for a very long time, and
so it is also really important that we give that
the recognition that it deserves and that they deserve.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, in Georgia, can you talk to us just about
what you think? Like there is a Warnock coalition that
has come out like seventy five times to vote for
him because get to run in primaries, in generals and runoffs.
The architect of that war, Notock coalition, works for the
Harris campaign. Now do you think that they aren't going
(36:37):
to be able to turn out? Have you been to
Georgia and what are you seeing in Georgia.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
I haven't been to Georgia in the last couple of weeks,
but I have certainly been observing the numbers. I think
we've seen that the state isn't played, and it's reflected
in the visit from the Vice President and from other surrogates.
The truth is that the Vice President has multiple paths
to two seventy. That wasn't true several months ago. It
is true now, and it is because of the type
(37:03):
of candidate that she is in the leadership that she provides,
and so Georgia's and play North Carolina's and play the
Blue Wall is of course going to be very important.
The fact that there are these multiple paths too two
seventy is so critical because we know that these races
are decided by often, you know, a handful of votes
for precinct.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, you're going to go next to Wisconsin.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yep, So I do okare with Counsin tomorrow and then
I head to Maryland. Emily has been involved with the
effort to elect to Angela Alsobrooks the United States Senate
from the very beginning of her campaign, and so I'm
really excited to spend the last two days of the
election campaigning with her. We were heavily involved in the
primary and then again in this general election where she's
(37:45):
running against a former Republican governor who had been pretending
that he didn't like Donald Trump, and then we just
found out he's bragging about an endorsement to donors in private,
and so we know what's at stake theirs. I'll be
finishing out the election campaigning with Angela and I'm really
excited about her election. And you know you and I
ha he talked about this when we saw each other recently.
We have the opportunity in this election to double the
(38:06):
number of Black women in the United States Senate. So
with angel also broke through the Prince George's county executive
in Maryland, and Lisa Blunt Rochester, who's a congresswoman from
Delaware who's also someone we've supported throughout her career. They
are both well positioned to win their Senate races. Angela's
is still competitive, but we feel good about her race
and we can in this one election cycle double the
(38:28):
number of Black women and Senate now two people.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
We're not going to forty here, but it's progress.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
That's not enough, that's not an acceptable number, but it's progress.
And like the Vice President, it shows that when we
invest in and support these women candidates who are just
incredible leaders that we can't make progress and we can
do big things. And so the opportunity we have in
front of us in these next four days is really incredible.
The threat is real, the stakes are high, but the
opportunity is there too.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I think that's so important.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I really appreciate you taking the time, I'm on your
way to Claire, Wisconsin to come on and talk to us.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Really, thank you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
A moment fuck.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Rick Wellsen Molli Jong Fast, do you have a moment
of fuckery?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
My moment of fuckery is the absolutely astounding degree to
which Elon Musk the richest man in the world, and
some people think he's a genius of some kind. How badly,
a group of consultants from Ron De Santis's world took
Elon Musk out to dinner, liquered him up, took him
out behind the barn, spanked him, took his wallet, left
(39:38):
him buck naked at the bus stop. These people have
fucked him for one hundred million dollars. One hundred million
or more dollars. This is the most astounding political scam
in the history of mankind. Elon has been sold.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
A pig in a poke a bill of goods.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
He has bought into the idea that these people were
actually with their hobo army out knocked looking on doors.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
They weren't. This is I mean.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
If Elon doesn't sue these fuckers for all that they're
worth and take back the one hundred million plus he's
paid them, he is a damn fool. That is my
moment of fuckery.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
My moment of fuckery is Donald trump fulating a microphone.
You may not have seen this video if you're not
very online. On Friday, he was on a rally, his
microphone stopped working. He pantomimed fallatio on the microphone. I
am a person who grew up in New York City
in the eighties. My mother wrote erotic novels, and I
have never seen anything like that in my life. Like,
(40:36):
I literally have never seen a person pretend to fulate
a microphone, let alone a presidential candidate.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It is an image I kind of get out of
my head. It was shocking. A lot of mainstream media
is not.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Covering it because it's so disgusting, but there are endless
videos of it.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And it all deserves a soundtrack of its own that
goes like this.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, theyre always elevating the discourse.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Rick Wilson, I am here to make the discourse sing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in
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Speaker 2 (41:30):
Thanks for listening.
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