November 30, 2020 • 24 mins
The partygoers are in for a shocking surprise when they arrive at Chicken Man's house. And when Chicken Man shows up, he realizes his world is about to be turned upside down.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My father had invested everything he had made from hustling,
numbers and everything into this party because that was his dream.
Everything was at state and to lose it like that
and one night that was just like devastating because people
thought he was responsible. Everybody thought my dad set that
party up. You're having a party two or three days
(00:24):
in a row. On that last day, the robberts could
have been at the previous parties the nights before. And
the fellow came into video what you were, and he
took the lord of cocaine. And that's where you who
you are. Some of the richest me into discut some
of the toughest being in this guys not hesitate to
(00:44):
throw your head off, you know, because you stepped on
the shoes from my Heart radio and doghouse pictures. This
is fight Night. I'm Jeff Keating. As we mentioned in
(01:05):
episode five, we believe Richard Wheeler was the mastermind of
the heist. Wheeler had flown back to New York as
an alibi, but his top enforcer, a man named fast
Eddie Parker, had his crew masked, armed and ready to
hit the after party. I tracked down the house where
(01:26):
the robbery occurred and the current owner, Chicken Man's nephew,
invited me in. So we're standing here with the robbery
took place almost fifty years ago. It's just unbelievable to
be at the spot where this all took place. After
(01:48):
doing so many years of research. I'm imagining where the
robbers would have been stationed as all of the partygoers
were coming up to the house, How they would have
been communicating on their walkie talkies, How they would have
been basically figuring out how to stay hidden while crowds
of people were coming up to the house. It's a
(02:10):
cul de sac. There's no way out. My name is
James Martin. I'm the owner of the house, also the
nephew of Chicken Man, Gordon Williams. So somewhere down on
Handy Drive, I'm guessing maybe a football field or less.
You've got a car parked with one or two of
the robbers inside on walkie talkies, and they're basically communicating
(02:35):
to one or two of the gentlemen at the front
door of your house, letting them know that more cars
and partygoers are coming up and preparing to come in.
So they've got to look out Somewhere down there telling
them what's about to happen as they enter the house.
We also think that there's somebody parked on Old No
on the other side of this that is letting that
(02:58):
lookout car No that cars are about to turn as well.
But I'm really imagining what's going on in the house
right now, so I'm just inside the door where the
(03:20):
robbery took place. Fast. Eddie Parker would have been one
of the gunmen at the front door, holding a three
fifty seven with a silencer. The other gunmen would have
been McKinley Rogers holding a sawed off shotgun. William Knox
is the first person that greets the party goers. We
found out, and as soon as William let's in these
(03:43):
three guys, a party is over and things are about
to change. This is from one of my interviews with
Chicken Man, as he reflected on that night. Barbara was
getting ready in her bedroom when one of the masked
gunmen came in while she was taking a blow of cocaine.
(04:05):
This is the moment the robbery really began. The robbers
came and planned themselves early in the house. Lived in
the house. Yeah, she had some cocaine arobbit and she
told me that she was in the making up in
her bedroom and the fellow came into bed room where
(04:25):
she were, and he took the blow of the cocaine
and that's what he explaining her who you were, So
they kept her there under under gone, the after party
never gets going because the robbers came in during the
time while everybody was leaving the Muhammad Ali fight and
got set up before they arrived. James and I concluded
(04:50):
how they entered Barbara's bedroom At some point there is
one of the robbers that comes into the room, either
through this front door leading into the bedroom or through
the Jack and Jill bathroom, sneaking in this way, and
as she's dressing, he basically pulls out a gun and
(05:11):
lets her know that the robbery is on. And sense
to me is that if you're having a party two
or three days in a row, on that last day,
the robbers could have been at the previous parties the
nights before they were. They absolutely were casing the place out. Meanwhile,
after Ali's victory, Chicken Man left the municipal auditorium and
(05:34):
headed to the Regency Hotel. He was so excited from
the victory he wasn't even thinking about what was going
down at his house. I go find it. Fight to
the regions so I see Frank all the people I
had Frank Frank Morden ring with the number. Chicken Man
(05:57):
is speaking about Frank Molten, one of the key characters
in our story. Frank started out running numbers in Atlanta
in the nineteen fifties and sixties and eventually moved to
New York. There he worked his way up and became
a major drug dealer and distributor. Frank was known as
the Black Godfather and supposedly one of the leaders of
(06:21):
the Council of Twelve. This was a group of high
level decision makers for black organized crime. The Council of
Twelve was known to be responsible for drug dealing, prostitution, racketeering,
and other illegal activities around the country. We found out
that Frank Molten would eventually be indicted and charged with
(06:44):
twenty five years to life for participating in a narcotics
ring that had sold over two hundred million dollars worth
of cocaine and heroin. Frank was a serious gangster, but
he was also Chicken Man's friend, and Frank was the
one who went to Fireball and told him to ask
Chicken Man to host the after party in Atlanta. Here's
(07:06):
Chicken Man telling j D where he went after the fight.
I ain't ated the reading to for why. Talking to
JB as a fish, he said, I might come out there,
but he didn't really want to be where the gowls
was because he was in the gownlin. I remember, Sen,
you re bro back down when you back nine and
(07:29):
came in and the people impressed and everybody, well, I
was there, yeah, I remember seeing you. Now, at about
one am, Chicken Man and Fireball leave the Regency, heading
to the house where the robbery was already in full effect.
Chicken Man is so hyped up from the celebration he's
(07:51):
not even thinking about why Barbara Smith never showed up
at the fight. They've never done on mean, why she
didn't come, But God didn't matter that the fact was
over nine. He's on the way home. So I tell
a friend of Man don DNSA, the death's something to go.
I go in good time. I go. I had no idea.
I mean, they everything was up in there, back where
(08:25):
the robbery took place. I continued my tour with James Martin.
That's Chicken man's nephew and the current owner of the house.
It was looking like a place where you were gonna
go gamble. In part. The curtains were drawn, but there's
music blaring from inside of the house and specifically the
(08:45):
front room they had lights going, and that behind the
curtains they had people dancing and partying. So even it
looked like with the shadows and movement, like people were
celebrating inside. So as you're walking towards the house, you
feel like you're walking into a celebration. And people are
walking up this stone walkway with grass on either side
(09:08):
of it to the front door, probably drunk, probably high,
and definitely completely excited and full of celebration after the
Muhammad Ali fight, and many of them carrying stacks of
cash and covered in jewelry. I'm thinking that the first
thing your experiences is shock that you are celebrating about
(09:33):
ten to twenty minutes earlier, and now you've got a
shotgun or a three fifty seven with a silencer to
your head. I'm thinking that you're scared. I'm thinking that
you're trying to figure out what happened. Here's an interview
between J. D. Hudson and Chicken Man That was recorded
several years after the heist. Chicken Man is explaining what
(09:57):
happened when he first arrived out at the house. I'm
linking them to the park. But when I do show up,
I mean the causes lying all around the play, you understand.
I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think
we have up in here? I had a special way
I would come to that and this house handing to
be where it waters. It was. It was you had
(10:17):
to know where you were going. Yeah, to go down.
There's no way you could have him up to get
to go down and train and then train and then side.
And when I came in that second drive as a
Cadillac park ground, I don't know who's Kadak World? And
I looked at my period cor to Lightning Place, New York.
Actually play the causes lying all around the place, you understand.
(10:40):
I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think
we have up in here? All these cars, the Roles,
Rows and Andrasine, and I don't know who's Kodak World.
I come to find out it was them, the robberts.
(11:03):
I fired to get me a little place on the corner,
and I found about running out the way. They was
doing the edge and it was the fake set up
in the little room, and they had the music loud.
And when I came to the door, by me having
the key, everybody else knocked on the door where I can't.
So the guy said, you must be the house man.
(11:26):
Chicken Man came in the house jiggling his keys with
fireball right behind him. The robbers thought, oh, he must
be the house man. He's got the keys to the house.
Here's what Chicken Man walked in on. When I came in,
the robbery was in pri so he got a shotgun
and he said it ain't nothing but a robber. And
(11:51):
that reading he said it was number the robbery because
it wasn't the police. You know that, because the robber
could take the runy and go with it to put
at least dad. We're gonna end back. The robbers announced
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the Chicken Man, the house man, this ain't nothing but
a robbery. Chicken Man interprets this that losing their cash
and jewelry isn't as bad as going to jail, which
is what would have happened if the cops showed up.
Our research shows that Chicken Man and every partygoer who
stepped into the house had a three fifty seven magnum
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pushed up against their head by fast Eddie Parker, or,
as was the case with Fireball, had assault off shotgun
pressed against their back by McKinley Rogers. Tobe, the guest
of honor, and a few partygoers were used as decoys
in the front room of the house. Just imagine the
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extended horror on their faces as they were forced to
fake party with the gunmen in the room for the
past few hours. The tension in this scene must have
been overwhelming. The gunmen had to manage every new guest
as they walk through the door, and then forced them
through the front room and the kitchen to the basement stairs.
(13:23):
Here I am with James in the house at the
top of the staircase. So just to be clear, is
this always been the way that is down to the basement.
These stairs are the original corponness. You've always had to
come through the kitchen and gone down into the basement.
So if we're talking a tight squeeze getting through this
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little thing, you got someone behind you. Oh my goodness, out,
oh my goodness, and look at look at how why
I mean you're talking. You can't even get two people
necessarily side by side on this thing. Oh my goodness,
here's Chicken Man telling J. D. Hudson what it was
like being forced down into the basement. Will they take
(14:07):
me downstre behind me? So so they hit him when
they're coming in. They was a full basement in the house.
So they took the people's down the steps into the
basement and they were making to lay down, and men
undressed so they could sist the pockets in that kind
of thing. They were talking on the walker, talking, talking
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to the people in the car on the outside. Every
time they see a car car, so they would follow
him up and when they get out of coming to
the house, they would tell the people in the house,
how many people are coming to approaching. We know that
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this basement would have been decorated like a casino in Vegas,
and Chicken Man wanted this to look just like Vegas.
So the craps tables could have been over here. You
could have had a blackjack table that was over here.
You could have had another card table over here. There
was supposedly a bar that was set up in this
area right here, with maybe seven or eight bar stools
for the ladies to say that. I mean it literally
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was supposed to look like a casino. Oh wow, okay,
it's hard to imagine that. Now this would have been
like decked out to the nines. Here's j D asking
Chicken Man if he remembers a woman being involved. They
had to be about six of them and a level
was there. Remember he has them he goes quick. Yeah.
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They said some of them had on high and they
kept on getting ars quick and she was taking she
had put in in the in the uh good looking.
Some of the victims claimed they did hear high heels
clicking on the basement floor, and so that gave them
the idea that there may have been a woman involved
(16:04):
in the robbery. Plus, one of the women who reported
the robbery said she saw a thin female hand reaching
towards one of the garbage cans where she had thrown
her diamond necklace to try to hide it, and so
that only increased their suspicions that a female was involved.
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That female robber may have been Lillian Dabney, and she
could have been assisted by Bookie Brown. We think he
was forcing people down into the basement with the help
of James Henry Hall, Charles Lee was probably in the
house somewhere as well, and maybe even Houston Hammond's. All
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of these names will continue to come up when j
D begins his investigation into the robbery. Let's go back
to the house where I explained to James what happened
to his uncle. So, James, your uncle Gordon. Chicken Man
comes in as the robbery is in full effect. Okay,
(17:07):
Chicken Man walks in the door. He's got a shotgun
that greets him in the face. They escorted him down here,
they strip him out of his clothes. Supposedly, they robbed
him of nine d seventy one dollars plus some jewelry.
But what was interesting about Chicken Man is underneath his
suit and stuff that he had for the Muhammad Ali fight,
he had on long underwear. Now it's October and it
(17:28):
may be kind of cold, but everybody else supposedly had
kind of like skimpy underwear of just normal under Wherever
a few of the hustlers who saw Chicken Man in
his long underwear thought that he was prepared to be
stripped and that meant he was implicated. But Chicken Man
felt he was a victim, just like everyone else here
(17:49):
he is remembering one woman named Gladys who did not
want to give up her ring the same thing. Well,
you can hear him. It was briefing that they were smoking,
and you bet him. I know the man glad from
New York and she said, you want to range, Yeah,
I want a big rain. You gotta get that right,
which one said, Zach cut that they wouldn't drive. Here's
(18:16):
how j D described it to me back in two
thousand and two when we had our first interview together
the Robins the preseason in math. They bought masks and
saw a shot and stuff, and they pre seeded the bag.
When they got bad, they gleeded, okay. And as each
one came into a bad say, they run dressed for
(18:36):
women and men that jury and many let's say, big shoes.
They didn't take any means. And those out of gatto
shoes they didn't take any They took cash and you okay, right, um, okay.
So I'm still trying to get this in my heade.
If people were down in the basements, you know, some
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of them are already there. Some of them were pulling
up in there's roll or their big cars or their
limousine and they can't tell anything that is going on
as far as the robbery. There's no screaming going on,
there's no gunshots going on. They don't know what's going on.
I got shopped us. You know, we have guys who
told us they went into the house of ten fifteen
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twenty thirty thousands in the pockets. A lot of people
would we in that house. And that was when fifteen
thousand novel is a lot of many, like having one
point five million the US today, that's kind of many
of those guys carried That was a hustler who always
had three bodyguards. Anytime you went into a building to
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went inside with him. Once they within where it was
on a building, oven stayed near the door, another one
stayed outside in the car, never got out the car.
And he was the last guy that came in. James,
and I imagine what happened to Frank Mo, the Black
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Godfather and his bodyguards when they walked into shotguns pointed
at their faces. A man they would have known Tobe,
we found out was the honored birthday guest, and he
was sitting with a ghastly look on his face, greeting
the guests as they walked through the front door. James
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then asked me an important question. Were they able to
get the guns from them as they were coming through
the door. They did get the guns from them. As
soon as they walked in the door. One of the
guys supposedly not Frank's bodyguard on the back of the
head or his back and basically pushed him down these stairs.
As soon as you walk off the stairs here, you
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are probably forced into one corner of this basement. You've
got one of those guns, either either a sawed off
shotgun or a three seven with a silencer to your head.
You are forced to undress down to your underwear. I'm
imagining as a one when you're completely embarrassed and pissed
(21:03):
and scared of what these men with guns might do
to you outside of making you undress. Listen to how J. D.
Hudson described these gangsters like Frank Moten to Chicken Man
when I interviewed them on camera for the first time
ever in two thousand and three. Some of the richest
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men in this guy, some of the toughest men in
this country. Guys who were not hesitate to blow your
head off, you know, because you stepped on that shoot,
you're gonna take that money. And that was not impart
of for them. What was the part of They made
those goddess beautiful men with the meat coats and all
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the doubt be undressed down to their panics. Now that
was then, so I can't protect my woman day. This
is what it's crazy change. You have some of the
biggest gangsters in the country, from Philadelphia, from d C,
from Chicago, from New York. Some of them are killers.
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If they're not, they are tough hustlers from the streets.
They all are packing heat and not a shot was
fired that night, James, I still cannot figure that out.
That to me is the most shocking part of this
whole robbery. Now, I understand when you've got guns pointed
to your head and when you've got sawed off shotguns
at your back, that you know that if you make
(22:30):
a move you could be killed. But there's so many
of these gangsters that are being robbed. I just don't
know how they don't pull off some type of retaliation
during this whole thing. So with all this, I'm assuming
that Chicken Man had been thinking, okay with everyone becoming
from me at some point unless I've definitely proved that
I had nothing to do with this, because they would
think that he would have something to do with them
(22:51):
with him being the owner of the home and having
online Johns. So I definitely understand that even though not
a shot is fired that night, you have to think
that the gangsters who got robbed, who were embarrassed, who
couldn't protect their women, had one thing on their minds.
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My father had invested everything he had made from hustling,
numbers and everything into this party because that was his dream.
Everything was at state and to lose it like that
and one night that was just like devastating because people
thought he was responsible. Everybody thought my dad set that
party up. You're having a party two or three days
(00:24):
in a row. On that last day, the robberts could
have been at the previous parties the nights before. And
the fellow came into video what you were, and he
took the lord of cocaine. And that's where you who
you are. Some of the richest me into discut some
of the toughest being in this guys not hesitate to
(00:44):
throw your head off, you know, because you stepped on
the shoes from my Heart radio and doghouse pictures. This
is fight Night. I'm Jeff Keating. As we mentioned in
(01:05):
episode five, we believe Richard Wheeler was the mastermind of
the heist. Wheeler had flown back to New York as
an alibi, but his top enforcer, a man named fast
Eddie Parker, had his crew masked, armed and ready to
hit the after party. I tracked down the house where
(01:26):
the robbery occurred and the current owner, Chicken Man's nephew,
invited me in. So we're standing here with the robbery
took place almost fifty years ago. It's just unbelievable to
be at the spot where this all took place. After
(01:48):
doing so many years of research. I'm imagining where the
robbers would have been stationed as all of the partygoers
were coming up to the house, How they would have
been communicating on their walkie talkies, How they would have
been basically figuring out how to stay hidden while crowds
of people were coming up to the house. It's a
(02:10):
cul de sac. There's no way out. My name is
James Martin. I'm the owner of the house, also the
nephew of Chicken Man, Gordon Williams. So somewhere down on
Handy Drive, I'm guessing maybe a football field or less.
You've got a car parked with one or two of
the robbers inside on walkie talkies, and they're basically communicating
(02:35):
to one or two of the gentlemen at the front
door of your house, letting them know that more cars
and partygoers are coming up and preparing to come in.
So they've got to look out Somewhere down there telling
them what's about to happen as they enter the house.
We also think that there's somebody parked on Old No
on the other side of this that is letting that
(02:58):
lookout car No that cars are about to turn as well.
But I'm really imagining what's going on in the house
right now, so I'm just inside the door where the
(03:20):
robbery took place. Fast. Eddie Parker would have been one
of the gunmen at the front door, holding a three
fifty seven with a silencer. The other gunmen would have
been McKinley Rogers holding a sawed off shotgun. William Knox
is the first person that greets the party goers. We
found out, and as soon as William let's in these
(03:43):
three guys, a party is over and things are about
to change. This is from one of my interviews with
Chicken Man, as he reflected on that night. Barbara was
getting ready in her bedroom when one of the masked
gunmen came in while she was taking a blow of cocaine.
(04:05):
This is the moment the robbery really began. The robbers
came and planned themselves early in the house. Lived in
the house. Yeah, she had some cocaine arobbit and she
told me that she was in the making up in
her bedroom and the fellow came into bed room where
(04:25):
she were, and he took the blow of the cocaine
and that's what he explaining her who you were, So
they kept her there under under gone, the after party
never gets going because the robbers came in during the
time while everybody was leaving the Muhammad Ali fight and
got set up before they arrived. James and I concluded
(04:50):
how they entered Barbara's bedroom At some point there is
one of the robbers that comes into the room, either
through this front door leading into the bedroom or through
the Jack and Jill bathroom, sneaking in this way, and
as she's dressing, he basically pulls out a gun and
(05:11):
lets her know that the robbery is on. And sense
to me is that if you're having a party two
or three days in a row, on that last day,
the robbers could have been at the previous parties the
nights before they were. They absolutely were casing the place out. Meanwhile,
after Ali's victory, Chicken Man left the municipal auditorium and
(05:34):
headed to the Regency Hotel. He was so excited from
the victory he wasn't even thinking about what was going
down at his house. I go find it. Fight to
the regions so I see Frank all the people I
had Frank Frank Morden ring with the number. Chicken Man
(05:57):
is speaking about Frank Molten, one of the key characters
in our story. Frank started out running numbers in Atlanta
in the nineteen fifties and sixties and eventually moved to
New York. There he worked his way up and became
a major drug dealer and distributor. Frank was known as
the Black Godfather and supposedly one of the leaders of
(06:21):
the Council of Twelve. This was a group of high
level decision makers for black organized crime. The Council of
Twelve was known to be responsible for drug dealing, prostitution, racketeering,
and other illegal activities around the country. We found out
that Frank Molten would eventually be indicted and charged with
(06:44):
twenty five years to life for participating in a narcotics
ring that had sold over two hundred million dollars worth
of cocaine and heroin. Frank was a serious gangster, but
he was also Chicken Man's friend, and Frank was the
one who went to Fireball and told him to ask
Chicken Man to host the after party in Atlanta. Here's
(07:06):
Chicken Man telling j D where he went after the fight.
I ain't ated the reading to for why. Talking to
JB as a fish, he said, I might come out there,
but he didn't really want to be where the gowls
was because he was in the gownlin. I remember, Sen,
you re bro back down when you back nine and
(07:29):
came in and the people impressed and everybody, well, I
was there, yeah, I remember seeing you. Now, at about
one am, Chicken Man and Fireball leave the Regency, heading
to the house where the robbery was already in full effect.
Chicken Man is so hyped up from the celebration he's
(07:51):
not even thinking about why Barbara Smith never showed up
at the fight. They've never done on mean, why she
didn't come, But God didn't matter that the fact was
over nine. He's on the way home. So I tell
a friend of Man don DNSA, the death's something to go.
I go in good time. I go. I had no idea.
I mean, they everything was up in there, back where
(08:25):
the robbery took place. I continued my tour with James Martin.
That's Chicken man's nephew and the current owner of the house.
It was looking like a place where you were gonna
go gamble. In part. The curtains were drawn, but there's
music blaring from inside of the house and specifically the
(08:45):
front room they had lights going, and that behind the
curtains they had people dancing and partying. So even it
looked like with the shadows and movement, like people were
celebrating inside. So as you're walking towards the house, you
feel like you're walking into a celebration. And people are
walking up this stone walkway with grass on either side
(09:08):
of it to the front door, probably drunk, probably high,
and definitely completely excited and full of celebration after the
Muhammad Ali fight, and many of them carrying stacks of
cash and covered in jewelry. I'm thinking that the first
thing your experiences is shock that you are celebrating about
(09:33):
ten to twenty minutes earlier, and now you've got a
shotgun or a three fifty seven with a silencer to
your head. I'm thinking that you're scared. I'm thinking that
you're trying to figure out what happened. Here's an interview
between J. D. Hudson and Chicken Man That was recorded
several years after the heist. Chicken Man is explaining what
(09:57):
happened when he first arrived out at the house. I'm
linking them to the park. But when I do show up,
I mean the causes lying all around the play, you understand.
I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think
we have up in here? I had a special way
I would come to that and this house handing to
be where it waters. It was. It was you had
(10:17):
to know where you were going. Yeah, to go down.
There's no way you could have him up to get
to go down and train and then train and then side.
And when I came in that second drive as a
Cadillac park ground, I don't know who's Kadak World? And
I looked at my period cor to Lightning Place, New York.
Actually play the causes lying all around the place, you understand.
(10:40):
I mean, I said, what do you people gonna think
we have up in here? All these cars, the Roles,
Rows and Andrasine, and I don't know who's Kodak World.
I come to find out it was them, the robberts.
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I fired to get me a little place on the corner,
and I found about running out the way. They was
doing the edge and it was the fake set up
in the little room, and they had the music loud.
And when I came to the door, by me having
the key, everybody else knocked on the door where I can't.
So the guy said, you must be the house man.
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Chicken Man came in the house jiggling his keys with
fireball right behind him. The robbers thought, oh, he must
be the house man. He's got the keys to the house.
Here's what Chicken Man walked in on. When I came in,
the robbery was in pri so he got a shotgun
and he said it ain't nothing but a robber. And
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that reading he said it was number the robbery because
it wasn't the police. You know that, because the robber
could take the runy and go with it to put
at least dad. We're gonna end back. The robbers announced
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the Chicken Man, the house man, this ain't nothing but
a robbery. Chicken Man interprets this that losing their cash
and jewelry isn't as bad as going to jail, which
is what would have happened if the cops showed up.
Our research shows that Chicken Man and every partygoer who
stepped into the house had a three fifty seven magnum
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pushed up against their head by fast Eddie Parker, or,
as was the case with Fireball, had assault off shotgun
pressed against their back by McKinley Rogers. Tobe, the guest
of honor, and a few partygoers were used as decoys
in the front room of the house. Just imagine the
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extended horror on their faces as they were forced to
fake party with the gunmen in the room for the
past few hours. The tension in this scene must have
been overwhelming. The gunmen had to manage every new guest
as they walk through the door, and then forced them
through the front room and the kitchen to the basement stairs.
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Here I am with James in the house at the
top of the staircase. So just to be clear, is
this always been the way that is down to the basement.
These stairs are the original corponness. You've always had to
come through the kitchen and gone down into the basement.
So if we're talking a tight squeeze getting through this
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little thing, you got someone behind you. Oh my goodness, out,
oh my goodness, and look at look at how why
I mean you're talking. You can't even get two people
necessarily side by side on this thing. Oh my goodness,
here's Chicken Man telling J. D. Hudson what it was
like being forced down into the basement. Will they take
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me downstre behind me? So so they hit him when
they're coming in. They was a full basement in the house.
So they took the people's down the steps into the
basement and they were making to lay down, and men
undressed so they could sist the pockets in that kind
of thing. They were talking on the walker, talking, talking
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to the people in the car on the outside. Every
time they see a car car, so they would follow
him up and when they get out of coming to
the house, they would tell the people in the house,
how many people are coming to approaching. We know that
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this basement would have been decorated like a casino in Vegas,
and Chicken Man wanted this to look just like Vegas.
So the craps tables could have been over here. You
could have had a blackjack table that was over here.
You could have had another card table over here. There
was supposedly a bar that was set up in this
area right here, with maybe seven or eight bar stools
for the ladies to say that. I mean it literally
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was supposed to look like a casino. Oh wow, okay,
it's hard to imagine that. Now this would have been
like decked out to the nines. Here's j D asking
Chicken Man if he remembers a woman being involved. They
had to be about six of them and a level
was there. Remember he has them he goes quick. Yeah.
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They said some of them had on high and they
kept on getting ars quick and she was taking she
had put in in the in the uh good looking.
Some of the victims claimed they did hear high heels
clicking on the basement floor, and so that gave them
the idea that there may have been a woman involved
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in the robbery. Plus, one of the women who reported
the robbery said she saw a thin female hand reaching
towards one of the garbage cans where she had thrown
her diamond necklace to try to hide it, and so
that only increased their suspicions that a female was involved.
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That female robber may have been Lillian Dabney, and she
could have been assisted by Bookie Brown. We think he
was forcing people down into the basement with the help
of James Henry Hall, Charles Lee was probably in the
house somewhere as well, and maybe even Houston Hammond's. All
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of these names will continue to come up when j
D begins his investigation into the robbery. Let's go back
to the house where I explained to James what happened
to his uncle. So, James, your uncle Gordon. Chicken Man
comes in as the robbery is in full effect. Okay,
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Chicken Man walks in the door. He's got a shotgun
that greets him in the face. They escorted him down here,
they strip him out of his clothes. Supposedly, they robbed
him of nine d seventy one dollars plus some jewelry.
But what was interesting about Chicken Man is underneath his
suit and stuff that he had for the Muhammad Ali fight,
he had on long underwear. Now it's October and it
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may be kind of cold, but everybody else supposedly had
kind of like skimpy underwear of just normal under Wherever
a few of the hustlers who saw Chicken Man in
his long underwear thought that he was prepared to be
stripped and that meant he was implicated. But Chicken Man
felt he was a victim, just like everyone else here
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he is remembering one woman named Gladys who did not
want to give up her ring the same thing. Well,
you can hear him. It was briefing that they were smoking,
and you bet him. I know the man glad from
New York and she said, you want to range, Yeah,
I want a big rain. You gotta get that right,
which one said, Zach cut that they wouldn't drive. Here's
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how j D described it to me back in two
thousand and two when we had our first interview together
the Robins the preseason in math. They bought masks and
saw a shot and stuff, and they pre seeded the bag.
When they got bad, they gleeded, okay. And as each
one came into a bad say, they run dressed for
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women and men that jury and many let's say, big shoes.
They didn't take any means. And those out of gatto
shoes they didn't take any They took cash and you okay, right, um, okay.
So I'm still trying to get this in my heade.
If people were down in the basements, you know, some
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of them are already there. Some of them were pulling
up in there's roll or their big cars or their
limousine and they can't tell anything that is going on
as far as the robbery. There's no screaming going on,
there's no gunshots going on. They don't know what's going on.
I got shopped us. You know, we have guys who
told us they went into the house of ten fifteen
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twenty thirty thousands in the pockets. A lot of people
would we in that house. And that was when fifteen
thousand novel is a lot of many, like having one
point five million the US today, that's kind of many
of those guys carried That was a hustler who always
had three bodyguards. Anytime you went into a building to
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went inside with him. Once they within where it was
on a building, oven stayed near the door, another one
stayed outside in the car, never got out the car.
And he was the last guy that came in. James,
and I imagine what happened to Frank Mo, the Black
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Godfather and his bodyguards when they walked into shotguns pointed
at their faces. A man they would have known Tobe,
we found out was the honored birthday guest, and he
was sitting with a ghastly look on his face, greeting
the guests as they walked through the front door. James
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then asked me an important question. Were they able to
get the guns from them as they were coming through
the door. They did get the guns from them. As
soon as they walked in the door. One of the
guys supposedly not Frank's bodyguard on the back of the
head or his back and basically pushed him down these stairs.
As soon as you walk off the stairs here, you
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are probably forced into one corner of this basement. You've
got one of those guns, either either a sawed off
shotgun or a three seven with a silencer to your head.
You are forced to undress down to your underwear. I'm
imagining as a one when you're completely embarrassed and pissed
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and scared of what these men with guns might do
to you outside of making you undress. Listen to how J. D.
Hudson described these gangsters like Frank Moten to Chicken Man
when I interviewed them on camera for the first time
ever in two thousand and three. Some of the richest
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men in this guy, some of the toughest men in
this country. Guys who were not hesitate to blow your
head off, you know, because you stepped on that shoot,
you're gonna take that money. And that was not impart
of for them. What was the part of They made
those goddess beautiful men with the meat coats and all
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the doubt be undressed down to their panics. Now that
was then, so I can't protect my woman day. This
is what it's crazy change. You have some of the
biggest gangsters in the country, from Philadelphia, from d C,
from Chicago, from New York. Some of them are killers.
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If they're not, they are tough hustlers from the streets.
They all are packing heat and not a shot was
fired that night, James, I still cannot figure that out.
That to me is the most shocking part of this
whole robbery. Now, I understand when you've got guns pointed
to your head and when you've got sawed off shotguns
at your back, that you know that if you make
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a move you could be killed. But there's so many
of these gangsters that are being robbed. I just don't
know how they don't pull off some type of retaliation
during this whole thing. So with all this, I'm assuming
that Chicken Man had been thinking, okay with everyone becoming
from me at some point unless I've definitely proved that
I had nothing to do with this, because they would
think that he would have something to do with them
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with him being the owner of the home and having
online Johns. So I definitely understand that even though not
a shot is fired that night, you have to think
that the gangsters who got robbed, who were embarrassed, who
couldn't protect their women, had one thing on their minds.
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Supervising producer is Taylor Hickoyne. Story editors are Noel Brown
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