May 13, 2026 • 37 mins
Breanna Stewart and Myles Turner talk about the biggest topics in basketball, and this week that starts with officiating. How should the game balance physical play while keeping things under control. Which superstar never flops, why Wemby not getting suspended is a huge risk, and the pitfalls of making it personal with a referee.
Stewie and Myles discuss fines, how some team have them and other don't. They get into the most talented player who didn't make it in the NBA, and why you shouldn't get too excited about your teams draft picks because there is much more to a successful pro career than talent alone.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome the game recognized game. Ah, Miles Horner, who the
fuck is lost Torning? Welcome the game recognized game. I'm
Miles Turner, joined from Portland by my co host Rihanna
Stewart Portland Stewart. I feel like that's a have you
(00:21):
ever been New Spot or I know it's new to
the league.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I definitely have been here before, but first time coming
here with the WNBA, So really excited. We're actually here
for like the whole week, which is nice. We traveled
from DC last night, so that's like a long flight, yeah,
DC to Portland. But happy to be here, Excited to
kind of see the environment, the fans and like compared
to what we have at Barclay's. For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Portland' school man, it reminds me of we went to
school in Austin. Similar buyes. It got a little key
Portland weird, keep Austin weird, you know, kind of thing
going on there. Love the hippie vibes. But speaking of
DC man, Sunday's game two hours and forty one minutes.
For some mystics, I mean gott to be longest game
of your career.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, It's definitely the longest game of my career. I mean,
we won, so like listen, a win is a win,
and we will take that one in overtime. But yeah,
like a hot topic right now is the officiating because
some of the points of emphasis they want to lessen
the physicality. But right now it's like we're just calling everything.
(01:23):
We had fifty eight foul calls in the last game
and JJ and Han, both of our centers, filed out,
which is just incredible for me, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I heard. I don't know, man, I just feel like
you're so right about like at the beginning of the year,
they're going to overemphasize everything, you know what I mean.
And it's one of the biggest topics in basketball right now.
I mean, you obviously had your game here on the
NBA side, you got you know, the Lakers complaining, you
know about everything that's going on in their stay is
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not getting enough calls. Where's Thunder then, guys like Shay,
you know, getting all the calls in the world. I mean,
it's just a matter of how you manipulate the game,
you know, sometimes as opposed to actual rules itself. And
I'm curious to kind of just like dive into it.
So how how do they balance the game, you know
what I'm saying, Because obviously you know there's some physicality
out there, but sometimes there's too much physicality. So from
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our perspective, where does the balance come into play?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
First of all, I think I would like to say, like,
this is not an easy job, because I'm not out
here to get fined by the refs or anybody else.
They're fine by the league, but it's not an easy job,
especially when you like go year after year. And I
don't know if you guys do the same as us,
but like every year we have a meeting with the
officials and like these are gonna be the points of emphasis,
and these are the things that they're gonna call more,
and they're gonna they're gonna call it more when you're
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trying to bump the cutter because you're really displacing them
and things like that. But I think that maybe the
refs have that in the back of their mind and
that's really slowing down our game a little bit, like
making it choppy. I don't know what the free account
was yesterday, but it had to be pretty high between
both sides. But for me, and like, I don't know
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what you think about this, it's like, of course it
can't be super physical. But also if there's not a
clear advantage about like a ticki tac file, like, don't
call it. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Man the rest of like the police, at the end
of the day, they got a quote it, right. I
feel like there's a certain number of like foul calls
they had to call, you know, throughout a game, because
they might start the game calling hell of fouls. Then
you don't get shipped into like the fourth quarter or
like vice versa. But it's funny because they'll start calling
some of these say you've been getting fouled all game
and whatnot, and all of a sudden they try to
start giving you calls towards in the game. It's like,
(03:40):
maybe we don't want this shit now, you know what
I mean. But they feel like they had to even
up the foul count and all that type of stuff.
So I agree with you to your point. It is
not an easy job to have such a quick eye
and golf reaction time. But I do think that their
accountability does have to be taken, you know, on that
side of things, because the players, we get criticized so much.
You know, we obviously we make the money, where the
(04:01):
eyes and whatnot, But there has to be a level
of criticism that comes to the refs as well. And
I think what happens is the league steps in and says, oh,
we're gonna take care of it or oh, we got them,
don't worry about it, whereas like, no, that's as players,
it's like, what are you really doing to protect the
purity of the game, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I mean like for you, it's like, well, what
do you think the difference between is like between physical
basketball and like unfair basketball, like as opposed you want
to be physical, right, you don't want to give position,
But then it's like now you have to be careful
for me anyway is we have to be careful like
how much we're like really kind of fighting for that spot.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, I'm gonna be a little political here. The game
has changed, you know from ten years ago when I
got in the league. Right in the NBA, you got
guys that were cutting through the lane to your paint,
Guys that were scared to cut through the paint because
you know, guys are gonna chuck you, or guys are
gonna hit you, or we're taught you know as bigs
to tag the roller. You know someone's coming by, tag
them and let go. You can't do that anymore. And
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what I've learned is, you know, nobody wants to watch defense,
right Unfortunately, it's just what it is people who don't
know basketball. If you're just a casual fan watching, you
want to see the dunks, you want to see the
fast breaks, you want to see the highlights, like you know,
that's why they had they had to ask certain rules
like the take found on that type of stuff. So
they've made the game, I guess, less physical for freedom
(05:20):
of movement purposes, right, but it's also kind of hurting
the product of the game because you know, we're stopped.
There's so much stoppage of play. And the whole point
that I think the whole thing that separates basketball from
all these sports is the fact that it's so free
flowing and so up and down, and it's just unfortunate.
I think that at the highest level end some of
the biggest stages, like in the playoffs, where we're having
games at last two two and a half hours, and
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you know, it is tough because you do have guys
that have kind of mastered the manipulation of the game,
like the James Harders of the world, the Shay's and
you know, Lucas and stuff like that. But then you
also had guys who played the game very pure. You know.
I look at someone like Giannis what they told him, Man,
who knows I'm suppsed to be saying this or not?
Is you know, he doesn't flop, you honestly want to
very few players in this league that doesn't like flail
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his body and flop and move around, so he actually
doesn't get foul calls. The fact that he tries to
run through people and the fact that guys are hitting
him and he's not floppy, they won't call ma any
fouls even though he's getting fouled. So it's like, do
we even know what a real foul is anymore? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I also don't know. I don't know. It's like it's
something you could talk about on and on and on,
but it's like for us, it's like, okay, eventually, right,
it has to even out. Eventually, it has to like
shake into something. But also do we need to change
like the way that we're doing things, you know what
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I mean? Like, because that's almost what it feels like
sometimes it's like listen, I'm getting a call for offensive
fouls more in this past two games than I have
like probably the last ten games of the last season.
And it's like I'm just trying to say the screen
or like JJ, for example, yesterday, she caught the ball
and she just opened up and cit Tron just ran
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right into her, and that was her sixth foul. That's
she didn't even like, she didn't stick her butt out,
she didn't stick her hip out, nothing, nothing. We challenged
it and we lost it.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's like they trying to combat some stuff, right, They'll
throw the challenges in there, and like, I guess it's
a good point, Like how hard is it to not
let like a miss call or even a miss call
affect like the next play, because it's like, I know
you're still thinking about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think it's hard. I think that it's it's really hard.
But like what I try to do is just like
get the team to like not worry about it. I'm like,
you know, what, fuck it, next play, Like, don't even
think about it. We can't control it. Whatever's going to
happen is going to happen. But We're not going to
let it dictate how we're going to play on the
defensive end or the offensive end, you know what I mean,
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Because you have to like bring your group together because
like when it's like this following that, following this is
touchy and that's not, it can get a little bit
like emotional, and you can some of some of the
players can start to spire a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I know that's right too, man. It's just the
you always tall, your coach gonna keep telling you that, oh,
next play or next play mentality or you know, just
move on, don't worry about that. But I don't know, man,
These refs are human, bro, and they have human emotions
as well. So if you go out there and cuts
the ref out or front the mount in front of people,
they're gonna remember that shit. And there's a perfect example
(08:31):
of this. Like I think Fred van Vliet is like
two three years ago, right, he said he went off
in his postgame presser about when of the refs went crazy.
He didn't get calls for three months straight. Boy, because
I'm gonna tell you right now, I told you the
refs like the police. You fucking one of them, You
fucking with all of them, you know, and it's like
they band together and it's like, nah, that he not
getting no calls, you know, And I've seen it actually happen, bro,
(08:53):
It's crazy. And one thing you'll see too is like
the rookie refs or the you know, the younger refs,
the veteran reffs really look out for them. So if
you go after like a rookie rap or cuss them
out or uh, the female refs as well. Like on
our side, if you go after the female refs, the
vetter refs will come in and step in and you know,
we'll basically fuck you out of the fuck you out
the game. I mean, it's having plenty of times before.
(09:13):
But I don't know, man, it gets interesting too because
I mean there's human error that's involved with everything. We
don't make every layup, we don't make every free throw,
and so they're gonna blow calls. But at the same time,
it's like you're at the highest level of this ship, man,
Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Know, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's like it's
a slippery slope. I definitely don't want to get down
this rabbit hole because I'm in season right now. And
I know that the refs have a hard job, Like
I am acknowledging that fully. I just want there to
be some consistency as far as like what we're doing.
And I think let's let's check back in after like
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weeks two weeks into the season and see like how
things kind of play out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's probably a good shot right there, So we'll fast
forward a little bit, right, so you're not there yet,
let's head it to officiating in the playoffs, right, yeah,
because I personally think it changes quite a bit from
the regular season, like how what is your experience been, like,
you know, with the rest going into the playoffs. I
think it's a little bit of a different game for us.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I think it gets more physical in the playoffs. So
I'm not sure about for you guys, but it seems
like they let us play more, which you want. Right.
It's high emotions series is going back and forth whether
you're on the road or at home and really just
fighting for position every single time up and down the court.
But do you do you have the same sentiments or
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what do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah? Yeah, I think as the as it gets deeper
in the rounds, they let a lot more go. And
what I've noticed too, obviously is I don't have as
much experience though, like being in the finals as you do.
But like my experience last year was interesting because we're
the only show on TV right. So now it's more eyes,
not just more eyes than us, more eyes and referees,
more eyes on the league itself and how they handle
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things or how they have the fouls and flagrants and whatnot.
So it definitely does change. But I also think that
they have to kind of uphold their own rules too,
if that makes sense, right. The emphasis that they're talking
about now, at the beginning of y'all's year, like, for instance,
I just say, well, say emphasis is traveling. Right at
the beginning of the year, they said, hey, we're putting
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emphasis on traveling, and they let a bunch of shit go,
and then during the playoffs they're gonna start calling that
shit again because you know, they got to be men
of their word or you know, staying on what they said.
So I do think that it does change, but there's
also it can change for the worst too, because at
times that they're gonna have to continue to keep calling
everything they said they were gonna call it that, but
it's definitely a lot more physical of a game. I
(11:40):
think they let a lot more stuff go. It's a
lot shippier. Did you see Wimby and Nasrit?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yes, people were saying that he should have gotten like
something like suspension or something. Do you do you think
so like.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He just I absolutely agree with that. That's any other
player that is a suspension. Raymond Green did that. That's
a suspension, you bro. It's one thing to inadvertently like
you know Elvis.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I know he looked at up and cock that ship
back and fucked him up.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That was crazy, bro. And you know there's one part
of it, right, some people are proud of Winby because
they hadn't like seen that side of him, right, So
they're gassing up and cheering them up. And I get
the playoffs physical, but what if nas Read had retaliated, right,
or what if next game nas Read retaliates, then that's
the league's fault because it's like, well, they didn't up
this to a suspension. So you're basically telling me, oh,
(12:32):
that's that's fair game, all right. Bet. I'm gonna get
my look back and I'm curious to see how the
next game goes. But let's just be one hundred percent,
like keep a space spade. If you suspend winby them.
Ticket sales are dropping, bro them Spurs fans gonna be pissed.
People are people aren't going to the games. Like it's
just not the same product when he's not out there
on the floor. Because he's one of the faces of
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our league. You suspended one of the faces of our league.
You know there's people a riot shit.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean, like also just the fact that, first
of all, the Spur's almost one last night. I think
it's gotta be hard to have a player ejected like that.
Like I don't know, have you been in a playoff
for a high, high stretch situation like that when a
player has been ejected and then the team has to
rally like that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Sometimes it's a good thing because you know, you could
be like low on energy, or it could be a
lackluster game, but there's something like that. It gets your
adrenaline going, gets the juices going, or if you're at home,
the crowd gets into it a bit more boozy other team.
So sometimes it helps, but you know, most of the
time it hurts because it usually it's one of your
better players that's in that position as well, So I've
definitely been in that position before and it's a slippery slope.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, well, let's see what happens in game five. I
think it'll be interesting because, like you said, you know, no,
nothing happened to Wenby after his flagrant too. But like
if another player does that, they better get the same treatment,
you know what I mean, like obviously an injection, but
no further consequences. Yeah, this is playoff basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I guess it's different. Dog, it's different. If you could
change one rule like tomorrow, what would it be on
your side? Mmmm?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If I could change one rule.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'll tell you mind. Well, while you think I love
the fever rules where you can golt in, hit it
off the rim, hit off the rim, or you know,
get it off, that's one thing I changed right away
is I think that as a whole nother different elements
in the game, and I think that's kind of sick
on our side. So I would I feel like that
something that'd be cool for us.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't know what rule I would change. I think
the offensive player right now is like the post player
is getting called for a lot of screen screens, moving
screens or just like even when you have it with
the d h O and the guard tries to blow
it up, like they try to run through it. If
you pass it and like stand your ground, you can
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call for offensive foul. So I don't know, that's a
little bit frustrating. I think the biggest thing for us
is you guys have a ton of camera angles, right yeah,
cameras on the sideline, cameras over here, this, that and
the other. So any challenge, the reps have so many
different looks. With us, it's like when we challenge, we
don't have all those camera angles still. So like that's
what I would change, is like we need more viewpoints
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because sometimes there's like an easy miss and they're not
able to see it because they don't have the right angle.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Okay, Okay, yeah, that was a very insightful answer. There
you go. Nice, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You know what I mean. You guys have the one
that's like up the sideline or the one right near
where the TV the TV.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hosts are app Yeah, we have like over like four
hundred cameras or something like that in the arenas or whatnot,
not the replay cameras. But like it's crazy, you guys
have like the the technology too, like the cameras like
up in the sky where like tracks player movement and
speed and that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I don't know that. I don't know is it new.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It was newer, like maybe like two three years ago
they added these cameras that literally track like everything. It's
like you know, you know, when you put those dots on,
like you know for like like testing, it's basically that,
but in the camera it's like some AI thing where
it tracks like miles per hour, miles ran, like load
on your body, you know, jump height, jump speed type
of stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Is called something what is it called?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Is it connects on? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We use connect we have connects on. But there was
something else. When we were talking about CBA, they were
talking about like adding this other thing in that you
guys use. So maybe it's that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, so I think it's pretty sick shit.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think it'll come as as we're into better arenas.
But like some of these arenas that we're in, they
don't have the capability or the capacity for those cameras.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That makes sense, Yeah, I guess you gotta have more
of the NBA arenas or whatnot, Like I'm sure, Brooklyn
hasm for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like all right, well, time for a quick break. Next
up we go rapid Fire. Please rate, review and subscribe
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your podcasts. Welcome back to Game Recognized Game with Stuian Miles,
(17:27):
And now we're going to do a little bit of
rapid Fire. So Miles is up first. First question, one vet,
who gave you real advice?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hmmm, I'll probably go big Al Jefferson. He's one of
the best vets I had. You know, if you guys
aren't familiar with who Ali Jefferson is, all the young
boys watching, definitely look up his tape. One of the
best post players ever do it, in my opinion, get
to that right hand. A different a lot of different
advice that he gave me. Man, he's country from Mississippi,
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so he got all the country little sayings time. So
this is I'll start with a stupid one. He basically
was like, uh, a trash can get a steak every
now and then I was like, does that meant? He
was like, Yo, listen, it doesn't matter how good you are,
how bad you are in this league. When now it
could be anybody's night, you know what I mean, it
could be anybody's night, and it's like, uh, you know,
you can look at the scout report. This guy averaged
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two points a game. Like, who the fuck is this?
He's in the NBA for a reason. You know he's
gonna she's gonna be the w NBA for a reason.
So yeah, so it's me a trash can get a
steak every now and then, so you just never know
who who you're lining up against.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like that trash can is a steak every now and then.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Cool, what are you okay? What do you prefer? You far?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh shit? What do you prefer? Guard switches or stay
in the drop?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I prefer honestly, I think what I would prefer is
probably not what how Like, I'd prefer the big standard
drop right, because then I could just screen and pop
and like like close out whatever attack downhill, I feel.
But what happens is I have a lot of guard switches, yep,
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and then I just like try to like roll them
down and post up from there. It's just like a
little bit harder because you don't know where the double
is coming from all the time, if that makes sense,
Especially when you're in the middle.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Bro, Yes, I know exactly what I'm about. I'm just
like you. I much rather just pick a pop shoot
threes all day. But you're right, you know the switch.
But what happens with me personally is like if I
roll the switch, don't do a pass off. So I'm
rolling with the guard and then a forward from like yeah,
bump it out and it's like man ship. So yeah,
I feel you on that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Oh that is lost. Everything's lost. Who's your Who's the
funniest teammate you've had?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh, I've had over one hundred teammates. Let me think
with the top of my head. I'm gonna go Buddy Hill.
I love Buddy Man. I think he is. He is
an amazing teammate. I think that he has got an
amazing spirit and he's just naturally like a funny dude.
He's a shout to Buddy Love Man. That's my guy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I saw him. He was getting a haircut in the
street of New York when they were playing Nick.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That sounds like Buddy Bro. He's a man of the people,
man of the people. Say the least. I love it
all right, who's the best trash talker? You know? You
think you personally against. I think I know your answer.
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Best trash talker I mean Diana for sure, she's retired.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like that's like, that's what you're going to say.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Currently who talks trash? Oh oh, honestly, some younger players
are talking trash these days, and I'm kind of just
like what, like what?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Sometimes it gets cringe right, It's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like I'm just like, wait, hold on, you gotta make
it first. But okay, cool teammate who's most likely to
be late? Whoa hold up about that? Christen Marco is
our coach now, and he was with the Warriors. We
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get fined for all types of stuff. Now, you guys
can find a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, okay, it depends on the coach. So Doc rivers
he didn't find anybody ever. So guys were late all
the time. Guys were, you know, showing up the film
whenever they want to show up. Guys were missing meetings like.
It was one of the crazy things I person ever experienced.
But any other team I've been on, guys got fine,
and there was a sense of order and a sense
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of understanding. So, yeah, you're late to the plane, fine,
you're late to treatment, fine, You're late to film. Fine,
but I personally did not experience that last year for
the first time of my career. So we'll see what
Taylor Jenkins does, our new coach.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So who's the teammates that's most likely to be well
all of yours obviously, because nobody gets fined.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, bro, we literally if the plane took off at
two o'clock, we weren't leaving toil four thirty. I'm being
so serious, bro. It was crazy. Guys are an hour
late to the plane. It got to a point where
I just I knew not to show up until like
an hour after they said the plane was taken off.
It was crazy. But anyways, uh oh that's easy. Honest
nice is going to show up whenever he wants. Really,
(22:24):
you know, I think that that's kind of just came
with the territory of that. And once I kind of
saw it was going down, I was like, man's more
power to you. They ain't gonna find you shit, do
what you do except where we're going to Dallas. That's
what I was like, all.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right, come on, right now, we're getting fined for misfree
throw box outs.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's a good one. Honestly, that's a good one. I'm
not mad at that. I'm actually not mad at that
at all.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
We're a little bit mad about it because it's like,
all right, well, what if the ball is out of bounds,
there's no possession? What if like there's always to it? Yeah,
a bad bounce, real.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's real. Yeah, Okay, okay, okay, I can see why.
I don't know, man ship. Maybe if I'm a coach it,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's what I'm thinking. Every time I'm at the free
throw line. Now, I'm like, I got I don't want
to pay this extra money. It's literally twenty five dollars,
but I'm still like, I don't want to pay it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's the idea as the principal wish. All right, who's
one player that you study the most or studied.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
One player I studied the most. I think Kati for sure,
just like the way he gets his shot off. When
I was adding, like my euro slow step, I was
looking at Tatum okay, the way that he does it,
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Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, and then on the on the women's side,
like Candice Lauren Jackson, like like those type of players
doull it on, just the impact that they have all
over the court.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's going right there.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Hm, what's one word to describe your game? Only one word? One?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Uh, I'm actually kind of blanking on this one or anything.
Bucket beast, Okay, i'd probably say I'll say balanced, I'll
say balanced, balance, Zen, I'm not actually I'm not mad
at that one. I'm not mad at that one either, Zen,
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very simple Zen, like yeah, balanced.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
This next question is just like a setup for me.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, let's just go ahead and ask you. You know
it was you breakfast it who was one player you
want to beat the most?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think like you said it, but it's like Asian
and I. We just so I go go head to head,
so uh, tons of respect, but obviously when we're playing
each other, we both want to be each other.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Of course, are the only top dogs honestly at that
especially oppositions too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, okay, so now I'm gonna you. Peter's gonna show
us something. You obviously didn't see it, but it was
our home opener and but nice and Lady Hamilton crossed
a rookie on the on the Connecticut Sun on opening
night and you just got to see it, and then
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we got like photo reactions behind it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So just let me see screen hold on. That's a listen.
That's an ethical ancle breaker too. I appreciate those. That's
an ethical ancle breaker. No stepping on those shoes, no nothing,
no push off, no push off. That was ethical. Hey,
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that was tough. No, I didn't don't know why I
didn't see that. That was hard. I'm not gonna lie.
That was tough, I know. And it was so like,
I don't know. It wasn't like it was like real quick.
It was just a perfectly time snatched.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Like she just like set her up.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, I was all right. That was tough. All right,
that was worth the way mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know. I was like in the corner just
bouncing you see this. That was me like like when
when the move was happening, I was like, just like
this bouncing. I was like, please make it, please make it,
please make it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh it's so tough. That's hilarious. That's hard. That could
be a meme somewhere for shit show.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Literally, I saw people like putting it at their screensaver.
They're like hanging in the loop like all types of stuff.
But for sure, like if she didn't hit that shot, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's not the same. It's not the same
at all.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Time for one more break. Next up, we go inside
the game and why you might not want to get
excited about your first round draft pick. Welcome back to
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the game recognized game. We's doll in miles and it's
time to go inside the game.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yes, let's go inside the game. We're gonna talk about
the draft lottery as a as you know, a bunch
of craziness happened, you know, this year the lottery, as
y'all know, there's a bunch of if you didn't know,
it's a bunch of ping pong bounty balls that basically
go inside of this big contraption, and teams that have
the worst record have a better chance of getting, you know,
the first round pick. So fancy decided about the spots
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and kinds want to get real about the draft. It's
it's unreal that, like you know, an NBA, only twenty
five percent of lottery picks you know are making an
All Star team, and half of all first round picks
or out the league after about three years. So there's
a lot of job on the line, you know, in
the front offices and whatnot. You know, they got a
lot of pressure you know, to make these picks. You know,
there's a lot of guys, a lot of teams that
tank and in hopes of getting a better pick, and
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doesn't always work out for them. So let's get into.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It for you, Miles. What separates the players with the
most talented versus the players who have like long that
long NBA careers?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that you said it right there. Like
these guys who are draft evaluators, they're going off potential
and talent, but sometimes that potential will take you a
lot further than what your talent really is. That makes sense.
So like they might draft a kid like myself. You know,
I didn't have the best college career. I was flagged
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for injuries, I was long and skinny and lanky. But
they weren't necessarily drafting me off of just my pure talent.
It was the potential of what I could turn into.
And most of the time, big men are going to
get the benefit of doubt, you know, because they can
like turn them into a project. Right, you can put
weight on them, teach him how to play, but guards
those guys have to come and to be able to
make an impact right away. So I think what separates
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these guys is you know, the guys who have long
caars are one of the ones that take care of
their bodies. I think that's the biggest thing when you
go through the draft process, as you know, like there's interviews, right,
so some people, you know, we're going there, be the
most talented in the draft, but completely bomb their interviews
or just be unprofessional, and they can slip a whole
bunch of spots just for that. That happened to Anthony Edwards.
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You know, he was supposed to be the number one pick,
but he didn't have a good draft interview with the
Golden State Warriors, so I think he ended up going
number two or three and they end up picking James
Wiseman instead, you know, or it was number two pick
or three pick, whatever it was. But I think what
separates them is the professionalism and the way they carry themselves.
Because one thing I know about our front office is
now is that they're trying to draft good kids, you
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know what I mean. They want to bring good people
like to their organizations to represent their communities, represent you know,
the team, represent the global brand of what the team is,
as opposed to just guys that are just talented. So
longevity matters, but the potential, uh is something that got draft.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Off of now well and sometimes like they're not going
to make impacts right away. You know, sometimes you can
be a lottery pick and you're not a starter, and
you know, I'm sure they want to want to know
how well that they're going to play their role or
like you know, trust the process, that the patience is
going to come and they're going to have a moment
where it's their time, but it might not be in
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that first year that they're in the NBA right m very.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Much, so very much so I think you gotta there's
a thing it's called draft and stash, and sometimes it
happens a lot of these overseas players to that point,
like they'll draft them and ended up not playing at
all and still stay with their overseas club and then
potentially come over in two or three years or since
the Gili, you got guys that they're draft and haven't developed,
you know, over two three years and have the potential
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to be something, but they're not getting play in time
that they want. So they let them develop, let them
gain some weight, let them learn the game, study and
you know, become two way players. So yeah, I think
that it gets very interesting. But you know, most of
the time when you're in the draft lottery, like you
want to impact now player, you know what I mean,
Like you just spent that all last season losing, tanking,
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whatever it may be. So it's like when a guy
is gonna come in and help us get over the
edge right away. So hm, it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Who's the most talented player that you ever saw that
didn't have a successful NBA career?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Most talented? Okay, I got I gotta go one. Greg Golden.
Amnuel Moodier was in my draft class, and it hits
a little close to home because he was actually by
high school class and he's from Dallas as well. We
actually ran the same AU circuit. I think that he
was when we were younger, he was the most talented
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kid in the state of Texas, you know what I mean.
He had crazy like vision, He was bigger than everybody
around six four sixty five, had like a college body,
and was just dominating the game. And then he decided
to forego college and actually ended up playing I think
in China and then coming back and playing in the NBA.
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He got drafted to Denver Nuggets and I think people
complained about like his work ethic or like people started
complaining about that he just basically didn't listen to anybody.
You want to do things like his own way. And
unfortunately in this league there's a lot of ego that
gets involved with the coaching staffs, with the front office,
with people around you. So you could be the most
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talent to play in the room, but if you're not
gonna do what I say, or you're not gonna do
you know as I told you to you rookie, you
know they're gonna stick it to you. And I think
that kind of started to happen to him bit he
bounced around like different teams for a second, and like
he wasn't in the league after like four or five years.
But it was never because of his talent. It was
because of the intangibles and the things that happened around them.
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And like that's a more like, I guess, real world
like thing that I saw on two eyes, because I
all with everybody in my draft class his career very closely,
especially guys like you know email that was from Dallas.
But that was a tough one to watch because he
still has a talent to this day, to play in
the NBA. But I don't know if the mindset demeter
matches up with you know, what the NBING is looking for.
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And you know he'll he'll tell himself, you know he
got humbled. You know, he's gone on record on podcasts
like talking about it and talking about his experience, and
it's a it's a good learning lesson, you know for
guys that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I mean that that kind of leads me to
my next point of like there's like this this invisible
work or this thing where it's like, you know, the
lottery picks, it's not only talent, like you said, they
want they want good guys. They want people that are
going to impact the community. And it's like, I guess,
what's what's your message to to this next next draft class,
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these next lottery picks about like what they can do
for the team that drafts them, Like how can they
make an impact without even being on the court?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Man? I got a I go, this is a great question.
I got a bunch. I'll start off with nobody gets
a fuck about what you did in college. I'm gonna
tell you right now, like half of us NBA guys,
we don't watch college basketball. We'll watch maybe the last
you know, Smarch Madness, Sweet sixteen on and stuff like that.
But you can average twenty and like, I have no
idea who you are until I see you on this
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draft or this scout report, right, So leave your ego
at the door. You know, I don't care if you're
the number one pick. I don't care if they're the
sixtieth pick. Like, once you come in, it's like you
have a fresh slate. Everything is like renewed in a sense.
So you have to immerse yourself into work. You know,
they talk about the whole cliche be the first one
to show up, last one to leave. That speaks volumes.
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It goes a very long way. Like you won't only
just earn the respect of the front office, but you
earn the respect of the players, the veterans. Like if
I'm one of the last ones to leave the gym
every single day, and when I see the younger guys
that are still there working and whatnot, I know they're
gonna be to trust them a little bit more in
the game because the stuff you're doing the game, I've
seen you work on. The stuff you're doing around, I've
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seen you actually put the work in to do so,
the shadow work, to your point, is very important. I
think it's also very important to ask questions. I see
so many rookies that, like our shell themselves, sometimes are
too afraid to look dumb or you know, like like
see be seen a certain light, but it doesn't matter.
But you're literally quite You're here to learn, and you're
here to learn quickly. You know. I can't we can't
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wait till game thirty for you to understand, you know,
some of our coverages and whatnot. It's like if you
don't speak up in practice, like you know, you're never
gonna get it. I think it's also very important to
uh earn the respect of the community as well. Most
of the time, as a lottery pick, your community is
very excited to have you. So get out the apartment.
Go just go for a walk, you know, around town.
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You know, go visit local grocery stores or local shops
and all that type of stuff, and start to get
to know the people in your community. Start to get
to know who the season ticket holders are, start to
get to know, you know, who are the ones that
are supporting you. You know. I think that it's important
to make connections within the city because you never know
where this cognation may lead. And lastly, I would probably say,
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bro keep your money. Dog. I feel like a lot
of rookies come in, they start spending something crazy, trying
to keep up with the vets. You know, just rookie
starts showing up in these fucking Bentley's and you know,
may Bax and all this type of stuff, and it's like, man,
just wait to the next contract before you really start
splurging and going crazy. You know, by yourself something nice,
but don't don't start splurging keeping off the bets because
you're never gonna win. That.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You heard it here first from miss I feel like
that's like the perfect way to kind of end this.
You're giving them advice about what's coming next. Also, I'm
sad the Nets did not get a top four pick.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
That was interesting, and I you know, it's for another day.
You know there's other other teams out there that didn't
necessarily pan out either, but you know, I'm not here
to speak on that. So yeah, all right, y'all, thanks
for checking us out. Please rate with you and subscribe
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Welcome the game recognized game. Ah, Miles Horner, who the
fuck is lost Torning? Welcome the game recognized game. I'm
Miles Turner, joined from Portland by my co host Rihanna
Stewart Portland Stewart. I feel like that's a have you
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ever been New Spot or I know it's new to
the league.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I definitely have been here before, but first time coming
here with the WNBA, So really excited. We're actually here
for like the whole week, which is nice. We traveled
from DC last night, so that's like a long flight, yeah,
DC to Portland. But happy to be here, Excited to
kind of see the environment, the fans and like compared
to what we have at Barclay's. For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Portland' school man, it reminds me of we went to
school in Austin. Similar buyes. It got a little key
Portland weird, keep Austin weird, you know, kind of thing
going on there. Love the hippie vibes. But speaking of
DC man, Sunday's game two hours and forty one minutes.
For some mystics, I mean gott to be longest game
of your career.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, It's definitely the longest game of my career. I mean,
we won, so like listen, a win is a win,
and we will take that one in overtime. But yeah,
like a hot topic right now is the officiating because
some of the points of emphasis they want to lessen
the physicality. But right now it's like we're just calling everything.
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We had fifty eight foul calls in the last game
and JJ and Han, both of our centers, filed out,
which is just incredible for me, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I heard. I don't know, man, I just feel like
you're so right about like at the beginning of the year,
they're going to overemphasize everything, you know what I mean.
And it's one of the biggest topics in basketball right now.
I mean, you obviously had your game here on the
NBA side, you got you know, the Lakers complaining, you
know about everything that's going on in their stay is
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not getting enough calls. Where's Thunder then, guys like Shay,
you know, getting all the calls in the world. I mean,
it's just a matter of how you manipulate the game,
you know, sometimes as opposed to actual rules itself. And
I'm curious to kind of just like dive into it.
So how how do they balance the game, you know
what I'm saying, Because obviously you know there's some physicality
out there, but sometimes there's too much physicality. So from
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our perspective, where does the balance come into play?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
First of all, I think I would like to say, like,
this is not an easy job, because I'm not out
here to get fined by the refs or anybody else.
They're fine by the league, but it's not an easy job,
especially when you like go year after year. And I
don't know if you guys do the same as us,
but like every year we have a meeting with the
officials and like these are gonna be the points of emphasis,
and these are the things that they're gonna call more,
and they're gonna they're gonna call it more when you're
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trying to bump the cutter because you're really displacing them
and things like that. But I think that maybe the
refs have that in the back of their mind and
that's really slowing down our game a little bit, like
making it choppy. I don't know what the free account
was yesterday, but it had to be pretty high between
both sides. But for me, and like, I don't know
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what you think about this, it's like, of course it
can't be super physical. But also if there's not a
clear advantage about like a ticki tac file, like, don't
call it. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Man the rest of like the police, at the end
of the day, they got a quote it, right. I
feel like there's a certain number of like foul calls
they had to call, you know, throughout a game, because
they might start the game calling hell of fouls. Then
you don't get shipped into like the fourth quarter or
like vice versa. But it's funny because they'll start calling
some of these say you've been getting fouled all game
and whatnot, and all of a sudden they try to
start giving you calls towards in the game. It's like,
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maybe we don't want this shit now, you know what
I mean. But they feel like they had to even
up the foul count and all that type of stuff.
So I agree with you to your point. It is
not an easy job to have such a quick eye
and golf reaction time. But I do think that their
accountability does have to be taken, you know, on that
side of things, because the players, we get criticized so much.
You know, we obviously we make the money, where the
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eyes and whatnot, But there has to be a level
of criticism that comes to the refs as well. And
I think what happens is the league steps in and says, oh,
we're gonna take care of it or oh, we got them,
don't worry about it, whereas like, no, that's as players,
it's like, what are you really doing to protect the
purity of the game, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I mean like for you, it's like, well, what
do you think the difference between is like between physical
basketball and like unfair basketball, like as opposed you want
to be physical, right, you don't want to give position,
But then it's like now you have to be careful
for me anyway is we have to be careful like
how much we're like really kind of fighting for that spot.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, I'm gonna be a little political here. The game
has changed, you know from ten years ago when I
got in the league. Right in the NBA, you got
guys that were cutting through the lane to your paint,
Guys that were scared to cut through the paint because
you know, guys are gonna chuck you, or guys are
gonna hit you, or we're taught you know as bigs
to tag the roller. You know someone's coming by, tag
them and let go. You can't do that anymore. And
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what I've learned is, you know, nobody wants to watch defense,
right Unfortunately, it's just what it is people who don't
know basketball. If you're just a casual fan watching, you
want to see the dunks, you want to see the
fast breaks, you want to see the highlights, like you know,
that's why they had they had to ask certain rules
like the take found on that type of stuff. So
they've made the game, I guess, less physical for freedom
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of movement purposes, right, but it's also kind of hurting
the product of the game because you know, we're stopped.
There's so much stoppage of play. And the whole point
that I think the whole thing that separates basketball from
all these sports is the fact that it's so free
flowing and so up and down, and it's just unfortunate.
I think that at the highest level end some of
the biggest stages, like in the playoffs, where we're having
games at last two two and a half hours, and
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you know, it is tough because you do have guys
that have kind of mastered the manipulation of the game,
like the James Harders of the world, the Shay's and
you know, Lucas and stuff like that. But then you
also had guys who played the game very pure. You know.
I look at someone like Giannis what they told him, Man,
who knows I'm suppsed to be saying this or not?
Is you know, he doesn't flop, you honestly want to
very few players in this league that doesn't like flail
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his body and flop and move around, so he actually
doesn't get foul calls. The fact that he tries to
run through people and the fact that guys are hitting
him and he's not floppy, they won't call ma any
fouls even though he's getting fouled. So it's like, do
we even know what a real foul is anymore? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I also don't know. I don't know. It's like it's
something you could talk about on and on and on,
but it's like for us, it's like, okay, eventually, right,
it has to even out. Eventually, it has to like
shake into something. But also do we need to change
like the way that we're doing things, you know what
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I mean? Like, because that's almost what it feels like
sometimes it's like listen, I'm getting a call for offensive
fouls more in this past two games than I have
like probably the last ten games of the last season.
And it's like I'm just trying to say the screen
or like JJ, for example, yesterday, she caught the ball
and she just opened up and cit Tron just ran
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right into her, and that was her sixth foul. That's
she didn't even like, she didn't stick her butt out,
she didn't stick her hip out, nothing, nothing. We challenged
it and we lost it.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's like they trying to combat some stuff, right, They'll
throw the challenges in there, and like, I guess it's
a good point, Like how hard is it to not
let like a miss call or even a miss call
affect like the next play, because it's like, I know
you're still thinking about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think it's hard. I think that it's it's really hard.
But like what I try to do is just like
get the team to like not worry about it. I'm like,
you know, what, fuck it, next play, Like, don't even
think about it. We can't control it. Whatever's going to
happen is going to happen. But We're not going to
let it dictate how we're going to play on the
defensive end or the offensive end, you know what I mean,
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Because you have to like bring your group together because
like when it's like this following that, following this is
touchy and that's not, it can get a little bit
like emotional, and you can some of some of the
players can start to spire a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I know that's right too, man. It's just the
you always tall, your coach gonna keep telling you that, oh,
next play or next play mentality or you know, just
move on, don't worry about that. But I don't know, man,
These refs are human, bro, and they have human emotions
as well. So if you go out there and cuts
the ref out or front the mount in front of people,
they're gonna remember that shit. And there's a perfect example
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of this. Like I think Fred van Vliet is like
two three years ago, right, he said he went off
in his postgame presser about when of the refs went crazy.
He didn't get calls for three months straight. Boy, because
I'm gonna tell you right now, I told you the
refs like the police. You fucking one of them, You
fucking with all of them, you know, and it's like
they band together and it's like, nah, that he not
getting no calls, you know, And I've seen it actually happen, bro,
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It's crazy. And one thing you'll see too is like
the rookie refs or the you know, the younger refs,
the veteran reffs really look out for them. So if
you go after like a rookie rap or cuss them
out or uh, the female refs as well. Like on
our side, if you go after the female refs, the
vetter refs will come in and step in and you know,
we'll basically fuck you out of the fuck you out
the game. I mean, it's having plenty of times before.
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But I don't know, man, it gets interesting too because
I mean there's human error that's involved with everything. We
don't make every layup, we don't make every free throw,
and so they're gonna blow calls. But at the same time,
it's like you're at the highest level of this ship, man,
Like I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Know, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's like it's
a slippery slope. I definitely don't want to get down
this rabbit hole because I'm in season right now. And
I know that the refs have a hard job, Like
I am acknowledging that fully. I just want there to
be some consistency as far as like what we're doing.
And I think let's let's check back in after like
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weeks two weeks into the season and see like how
things kind of play out a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's probably a good shot right there, So we'll fast
forward a little bit, right, so you're not there yet,
let's head it to officiating in the playoffs, right, yeah,
because I personally think it changes quite a bit from
the regular season, like how what is your experience been, like,
you know, with the rest going into the playoffs. I
think it's a little bit of a different game for us.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I think it gets more physical in the playoffs. So
I'm not sure about for you guys, but it seems
like they let us play more, which you want. Right.
It's high emotions series is going back and forth whether
you're on the road or at home and really just
fighting for position every single time up and down the court.
But do you do you have the same sentiments or
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what do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah? Yeah, I think as the as it gets deeper
in the rounds, they let a lot more go. And
what I've noticed too, obviously is I don't have as
much experience though, like being in the finals as you do.
But like my experience last year was interesting because we're
the only show on TV right. So now it's more eyes,
not just more eyes than us, more eyes and referees,
more eyes on the league itself and how they handle
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things or how they have the fouls and flagrants and whatnot.
So it definitely does change. But I also think that
they have to kind of uphold their own rules too,
if that makes sense, right. The emphasis that they're talking
about now, at the beginning of y'all's year, like, for instance,
I just say, well, say emphasis is traveling. Right at
the beginning of the year, they said, hey, we're putting
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emphasis on traveling, and they let a bunch of shit go,
and then during the playoffs they're gonna start calling that
shit again because you know, they got to be men
of their word or you know, staying on what they said.
So I do think that it does change, but there's
also it can change for the worst too, because at
times that they're gonna have to continue to keep calling
everything they said they were gonna call it that, but
it's definitely a lot more physical of a game. I
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think they let a lot more stuff go. It's a
lot shippier. Did you see Wimby and Nasrit?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yes, people were saying that he should have gotten like
something like suspension or something. Do you do you think
so like.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He just I absolutely agree with that. That's any other
player that is a suspension. Raymond Green did that. That's
a suspension, you bro. It's one thing to inadvertently like
you know Elvis.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I know he looked at up and cock that ship
back and fucked him up.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That was crazy, bro. And you know there's one part
of it, right, some people are proud of Winby because
they hadn't like seen that side of him, right, So
they're gassing up and cheering them up. And I get
the playoffs physical, but what if nas Read had retaliated, right,
or what if next game nas Read retaliates, then that's
the league's fault because it's like, well, they didn't up
this to a suspension. So you're basically telling me, oh,
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that's that's fair game, all right. Bet. I'm gonna get
my look back and I'm curious to see how the
next game goes. But let's just be one hundred percent,
like keep a space spade. If you suspend winby them.
Ticket sales are dropping, bro them Spurs fans gonna be pissed.
People are people aren't going to the games. Like it's
just not the same product when he's not out there
on the floor. Because he's one of the faces of
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our league. You suspended one of the faces of our league.
You know there's people a riot shit.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean, like also just the fact that, first
of all, the Spur's almost one last night. I think
it's gotta be hard to have a player ejected like that.
Like I don't know, have you been in a playoff
for a high, high stretch situation like that when a
player has been ejected and then the team has to
rally like that.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Sometimes it's a good thing because you know, you could
be like low on energy, or it could be a
lackluster game, but there's something like that. It gets your
adrenaline going, gets the juices going, or if you're at home,
the crowd gets into it a bit more boozy other team.
So sometimes it helps, but you know, most of the
time it hurts because it usually it's one of your
better players that's in that position as well, So I've
definitely been in that position before and it's a slippery slope.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, well, let's see what happens in game five. I
think it'll be interesting because, like you said, you know, no,
nothing happened to Wenby after his flagrant too. But like
if another player does that, they better get the same treatment,
you know what I mean, like obviously an injection, but
no further consequences. Yeah, this is playoff basketball.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I guess it's different. Dog, it's different. If you could
change one rule like tomorrow, what would it be on
your side? Mmmm?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If I could change one rule.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'll tell you mind. Well, while you think I love
the fever rules where you can golt in, hit it
off the rim, hit off the rim, or you know,
get it off, that's one thing I changed right away
is I think that as a whole nother different elements
in the game, and I think that's kind of sick
on our side. So I would I feel like that
something that'd be cool for us.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't know what rule I would change. I think
the offensive player right now is like the post player
is getting called for a lot of screen screens, moving
screens or just like even when you have it with
the d h O and the guard tries to blow
it up, like they try to run through it. If
you pass it and like stand your ground, you can
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call for offensive foul. So I don't know, that's a
little bit frustrating. I think the biggest thing for us
is you guys have a ton of camera angles, right yeah,
cameras on the sideline, cameras over here, this, that and
the other. So any challenge, the reps have so many
different looks. With us, it's like when we challenge, we
don't have all those camera angles still. So like that's
what I would change, is like we need more viewpoints
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because sometimes there's like an easy miss and they're not
able to see it because they don't have the right angle.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Okay, Okay, yeah, that was a very insightful answer. There
you go. Nice, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You know what I mean. You guys have the one
that's like up the sideline or the one right near
where the TV the TV.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hosts are app Yeah, we have like over like four
hundred cameras or something like that in the arenas or whatnot,
not the replay cameras. But like it's crazy, you guys
have like the the technology too, like the cameras like
up in the sky where like tracks player movement and
speed and that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I don't know that. I don't know is it new.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It was newer, like maybe like two three years ago
they added these cameras that literally track like everything. It's
like you know, you know, when you put those dots on,
like you know for like like testing, it's basically that,
but in the camera it's like some AI thing where
it tracks like miles per hour, miles ran, like load
on your body, you know, jump height, jump speed type
of stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Is called something what is it called?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Is it connects on? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We use connect we have connects on. But there was
something else. When we were talking about CBA, they were
talking about like adding this other thing in that you
guys use. So maybe it's that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, so I think it's pretty sick shit.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think it'll come as as we're into better arenas.
But like some of these arenas that we're in, they
don't have the capability or the capacity for those cameras.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That makes sense, Yeah, I guess you gotta have more
of the NBA arenas or whatnot, Like I'm sure, Brooklyn
hasm for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like all right, well, time for a quick break. Next
up we go rapid Fire. Please rate, review and subscribe
to Game Recognized Game with Studian Miles wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome back to Game Recognized Game with Stuian Miles,
(17:27):
And now we're going to do a little bit of
rapid Fire. So Miles is up first. First question, one vet,
who gave you real advice?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hmmm, I'll probably go big Al Jefferson. He's one of
the best vets I had. You know, if you guys
aren't familiar with who Ali Jefferson is, all the young
boys watching, definitely look up his tape. One of the
best post players ever do it, in my opinion, get
to that right hand. A different a lot of different
advice that he gave me. Man, he's country from Mississippi,
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so he got all the country little sayings time. So
this is I'll start with a stupid one. He basically
was like, uh, a trash can get a steak every
now and then I was like, does that meant? He
was like, Yo, listen, it doesn't matter how good you are,
how bad you are in this league. When now it
could be anybody's night, you know what I mean, it
could be anybody's night, and it's like, uh, you know,
you can look at the scout report. This guy averaged
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two points a game. Like, who the fuck is this?
He's in the NBA for a reason. You know he's
gonna she's gonna be the w NBA for a reason.
So yeah, so it's me a trash can get a
steak every now and then, so you just never know
who who you're lining up against.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like that trash can is a steak every now and then.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Cool, what are you okay? What do you prefer? You far?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh shit? What do you prefer? Guard switches or stay
in the drop?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I prefer honestly, I think what I would prefer is
probably not what how Like, I'd prefer the big standard
drop right, because then I could just screen and pop
and like like close out whatever attack downhill, I feel.
But what happens is I have a lot of guard switches, yep,
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and then I just like try to like roll them
down and post up from there. It's just like a
little bit harder because you don't know where the double
is coming from all the time, if that makes sense,
Especially when you're in the middle.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Bro, Yes, I know exactly what I'm about. I'm just
like you. I much rather just pick a pop shoot
threes all day. But you're right, you know the switch.
But what happens with me personally is like if I
roll the switch, don't do a pass off. So I'm
rolling with the guard and then a forward from like yeah,
bump it out and it's like man ship. So yeah,
I feel you on that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Oh that is lost. Everything's lost. Who's your Who's the
funniest teammate you've had?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh, I've had over one hundred teammates. Let me think
with the top of my head. I'm gonna go Buddy Hill.
I love Buddy Man. I think he is. He is
an amazing teammate. I think that he has got an
amazing spirit and he's just naturally like a funny dude.
He's a shout to Buddy Love Man. That's my guy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I saw him. He was getting a haircut in the
street of New York when they were playing Nick.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That sounds like Buddy Bro. He's a man of the people,
man of the people. Say the least. I love it
all right, who's the best trash talker? You know? You
think you personally against. I think I know your answer.
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Best trash talker I mean Diana for sure, she's retired.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like that's like, that's what you're going to say.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Currently who talks trash? Oh oh, honestly, some younger players
are talking trash these days, and I'm kind of just
like what, like what?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Sometimes it gets cringe right, It's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like I'm just like, wait, hold on, you gotta make
it first. But okay, cool teammate who's most likely to
be late? Whoa hold up about that? Christen Marco is
our coach now, and he was with the Warriors. We
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get fined for all types of stuff. Now, you guys
can find a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, okay, it depends on the coach. So Doc rivers
he didn't find anybody ever. So guys were late all
the time. Guys were, you know, showing up the film
whenever they want to show up. Guys were missing meetings like.
It was one of the crazy things I person ever experienced.
But any other team I've been on, guys got fine,
and there was a sense of order and a sense
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of understanding. So, yeah, you're late to the plane, fine,
you're late to treatment, fine, You're late to film. Fine,
but I personally did not experience that last year for
the first time of my career. So we'll see what
Taylor Jenkins does, our new coach.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So who's the teammates that's most likely to be well
all of yours obviously, because nobody gets fined.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, bro, we literally if the plane took off at
two o'clock, we weren't leaving toil four thirty. I'm being
so serious, bro. It was crazy. Guys are an hour
late to the plane. It got to a point where
I just I knew not to show up until like
an hour after they said the plane was taken off.
It was crazy. But anyways, uh oh that's easy. Honest
nice is going to show up whenever he wants. Really,
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you know, I think that that's kind of just came
with the territory of that. And once I kind of
saw it was going down, I was like, man's more
power to you. They ain't gonna find you shit, do
what you do except where we're going to Dallas. That's
what I was like, all.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Right, come on, right now, we're getting fined for misfree
throw box outs.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's a good one. Honestly, that's a good one. I'm
not mad at that. I'm actually not mad at that
at all.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
We're a little bit mad about it because it's like,
all right, well, what if the ball is out of bounds,
there's no possession? What if like there's always to it? Yeah,
a bad bounce, real.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's real. Yeah, Okay, okay, okay, I can see why.
I don't know, man ship. Maybe if I'm a coach it,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's what I'm thinking. Every time I'm at the free
throw line. Now, I'm like, I got I don't want
to pay this extra money. It's literally twenty five dollars,
but I'm still like, I don't want to pay it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's the idea as the principal wish. All right, who's
one player that you study the most or studied.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
One player I studied the most. I think Kati for sure,
just like the way he gets his shot off. When
I was adding, like my euro slow step, I was
looking at Tatum okay, the way that he does it,
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Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, and then on the on the women's side,
like Candice Lauren Jackson, like like those type of players
doull it on, just the impact that they have all
over the court.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's going right there.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Hm, what's one word to describe your game? Only one word? One?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Uh, I'm actually kind of blanking on this one or anything.
Bucket beast, Okay, i'd probably say I'll say balanced, I'll
say balanced, balance, Zen, I'm not actually I'm not mad
at that one. I'm not mad at that one either, Zen,
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very simple Zen, like yeah, balanced.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
This next question is just like a setup for me.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, let's just go ahead and ask you. You know
it was you breakfast it who was one player you
want to beat the most?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think like you said it, but it's like Asian
and I. We just so I go go head to head,
so uh, tons of respect, but obviously when we're playing
each other, we both want to be each other.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Of course, are the only top dogs honestly at that
especially oppositions too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, okay, so now I'm gonna you. Peter's gonna show
us something. You obviously didn't see it, but it was
our home opener and but nice and Lady Hamilton crossed
a rookie on the on the Connecticut Sun on opening
night and you just got to see it, and then
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we got like photo reactions behind it.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So just let me see screen hold on. That's a listen.
That's an ethical ancle breaker too. I appreciate those. That's
an ethical ancle breaker. No stepping on those shoes, no nothing,
no push off, no push off. That was ethical. Hey,
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that was tough. No, I didn't don't know why I
didn't see that. That was hard. I'm not gonna lie.
That was tough, I know. And it was so like,
I don't know. It wasn't like it was like real quick.
It was just a perfectly time snatched.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Like she just like set her up.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, I was all right. That was tough. All right,
that was worth the way mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know. I was like in the corner just
bouncing you see this. That was me like like when
when the move was happening, I was like, just like
this bouncing. I was like, please make it, please make it,
please make it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh it's so tough. That's hilarious. That's hard. That could
be a meme somewhere for shit show.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Literally, I saw people like putting it at their screensaver.
They're like hanging in the loop like all types of stuff.
But for sure, like if she didn't hit that shot, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's not the same. It's not the same
at all.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Time for one more break. Next up, we go inside
the game and why you might not want to get
excited about your first round draft pick. Welcome back to
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the game recognized game. We's doll in miles and it's
time to go inside the game.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yes, let's go inside the game. We're gonna talk about
the draft lottery as a as you know, a bunch
of craziness happened, you know, this year the lottery, as
y'all know, there's a bunch of if you didn't know,
it's a bunch of ping pong bounty balls that basically
go inside of this big contraption, and teams that have
the worst record have a better chance of getting, you know,
the first round pick. So fancy decided about the spots
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and kinds want to get real about the draft. It's
it's unreal that, like you know, an NBA, only twenty
five percent of lottery picks you know are making an
All Star team, and half of all first round picks
or out the league after about three years. So there's
a lot of job on the line, you know, in
the front offices and whatnot. You know, they got a
lot of pressure you know, to make these picks. You know,
there's a lot of guys, a lot of teams that
tank and in hopes of getting a better pick, and
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doesn't always work out for them. So let's get into.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It for you, Miles. What separates the players with the
most talented versus the players who have like long that
long NBA careers?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that you said it right there. Like
these guys who are draft evaluators, they're going off potential
and talent, but sometimes that potential will take you a
lot further than what your talent really is. That makes sense.
So like they might draft a kid like myself. You know,
I didn't have the best college career. I was flagged
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for injuries, I was long and skinny and lanky. But
they weren't necessarily drafting me off of just my pure talent.
It was the potential of what I could turn into.
And most of the time, big men are going to
get the benefit of doubt, you know, because they can
like turn them into a project. Right, you can put
weight on them, teach him how to play, but guards
those guys have to come and to be able to
make an impact right away. So I think what separates
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these guys is you know, the guys who have long
caars are one of the ones that take care of
their bodies. I think that's the biggest thing when you
go through the draft process, as you know, like there's interviews, right,
so some people, you know, we're going there, be the
most talented in the draft, but completely bomb their interviews
or just be unprofessional, and they can slip a whole
bunch of spots just for that. That happened to Anthony Edwards.
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You know, he was supposed to be the number one pick,
but he didn't have a good draft interview with the
Golden State Warriors, so I think he ended up going
number two or three and they end up picking James
Wiseman instead, you know, or it was number two pick
or three pick, whatever it was. But I think what
separates them is the professionalism and the way they carry themselves.
Because one thing I know about our front office is
now is that they're trying to draft good kids, you
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know what I mean. They want to bring good people
like to their organizations to represent their communities, represent you know,
the team, represent the global brand of what the team is,
as opposed to just guys that are just talented. So
longevity matters, but the potential, uh is something that got draft.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Off of now well and sometimes like they're not going
to make impacts right away. You know, sometimes you can
be a lottery pick and you're not a starter, and
you know, I'm sure they want to want to know
how well that they're going to play their role or
like you know, trust the process, that the patience is
going to come and they're going to have a moment
where it's their time, but it might not be in
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that first year that they're in the NBA right m very.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Much, so very much so I think you gotta there's
a thing it's called draft and stash, and sometimes it
happens a lot of these overseas players to that point,
like they'll draft them and ended up not playing at
all and still stay with their overseas club and then
potentially come over in two or three years or since
the Gili, you got guys that they're draft and haven't developed,
you know, over two three years and have the potential
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to be something, but they're not getting play in time
that they want. So they let them develop, let them
gain some weight, let them learn the game, study and
you know, become two way players. So yeah, I think
that it gets very interesting. But you know, most of
the time when you're in the draft lottery, like you
want to impact now player, you know what I mean,
Like you just spent that all last season losing, tanking,
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whatever it may be. So it's like when a guy
is gonna come in and help us get over the
edge right away. So hm, it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Who's the most talented player that you ever saw that
didn't have a successful NBA career?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Most talented? Okay, I got I gotta go one. Greg Golden.
Amnuel Moodier was in my draft class, and it hits
a little close to home because he was actually by
high school class and he's from Dallas as well. We
actually ran the same AU circuit. I think that he
was when we were younger, he was the most talented
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kid in the state of Texas, you know what I mean.
He had crazy like vision, He was bigger than everybody
around six four sixty five, had like a college body,
and was just dominating the game. And then he decided
to forego college and actually ended up playing I think
in China and then coming back and playing in the NBA.
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He got drafted to Denver Nuggets and I think people
complained about like his work ethic or like people started
complaining about that he just basically didn't listen to anybody.
You want to do things like his own way. And
unfortunately in this league there's a lot of ego that
gets involved with the coaching staffs, with the front office,
with people around you. So you could be the most
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talent to play in the room, but if you're not
gonna do what I say, or you're not gonna do
you know as I told you to you rookie, you
know they're gonna stick it to you. And I think
that kind of started to happen to him bit he
bounced around like different teams for a second, and like
he wasn't in the league after like four or five years.
But it was never because of his talent. It was
because of the intangibles and the things that happened around them.
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And like that's a more like, I guess, real world
like thing that I saw on two eyes, because I
all with everybody in my draft class his career very closely,
especially guys like you know email that was from Dallas.
But that was a tough one to watch because he
still has a talent to this day, to play in
the NBA. But I don't know if the mindset demeter
matches up with you know, what the NBING is looking for.
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And you know he'll he'll tell himself, you know he
got humbled. You know, he's gone on record on podcasts
like talking about it and talking about his experience, and
it's a it's a good learning lesson, you know for
guys that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I mean that that kind of leads me to
my next point of like there's like this this invisible
work or this thing where it's like, you know, the
lottery picks, it's not only talent, like you said, they
want they want good guys. They want people that are
going to impact the community. And it's like, I guess,
what's what's your message to to this next next draft class,
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these next lottery picks about like what they can do
for the team that drafts them, Like how can they
make an impact without even being on the court?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Man? I got a I go, this is a great question.
I got a bunch. I'll start off with nobody gets
a fuck about what you did in college. I'm gonna
tell you right now, like half of us NBA guys,
we don't watch college basketball. We'll watch maybe the last
you know, Smarch Madness, Sweet sixteen on and stuff like that.
But you can average twenty and like, I have no
idea who you are until I see you on this
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draft or this scout report, right, So leave your ego
at the door. You know, I don't care if you're
the number one pick. I don't care if they're the
sixtieth pick. Like, once you come in, it's like you
have a fresh slate. Everything is like renewed in a sense.
So you have to immerse yourself into work. You know,
they talk about the whole cliche be the first one
to show up, last one to leave. That speaks volumes.
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It goes a very long way. Like you won't only
just earn the respect of the front office, but you
earn the respect of the players, the veterans. Like if
I'm one of the last ones to leave the gym
every single day, and when I see the younger guys
that are still there working and whatnot, I know they're
gonna be to trust them a little bit more in
the game because the stuff you're doing the game, I've
seen you work on. The stuff you're doing around, I've
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seen you actually put the work in to do so,
the shadow work, to your point, is very important. I
think it's also very important to ask questions. I see
so many rookies that, like our shell themselves, sometimes are
too afraid to look dumb or you know, like like
see be seen a certain light, but it doesn't matter.
But you're literally quite You're here to learn, and you're
here to learn quickly. You know. I can't we can't
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wait till game thirty for you to understand, you know,
some of our coverages and whatnot. It's like if you
don't speak up in practice, like you know, you're never
gonna get it. I think it's also very important to
uh earn the respect of the community as well. Most
of the time, as a lottery pick, your community is
very excited to have you. So get out the apartment.
Go just go for a walk, you know, around town.
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You know, go visit local grocery stores or local shops
and all that type of stuff, and start to get
to know the people in your community. Start to get
to know who the season ticket holders are, start to
get to know, you know, who are the ones that
are supporting you. You know. I think that it's important
to make connections within the city because you never know
where this cognation may lead. And lastly, I would probably say,
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bro keep your money. Dog. I feel like a lot
of rookies come in, they start spending something crazy, trying
to keep up with the vets. You know, just rookie
starts showing up in these fucking Bentley's and you know,
may Bax and all this type of stuff, and it's like, man,
just wait to the next contract before you really start
splurging and going crazy. You know, by yourself something nice,
but don't don't start splurging keeping off the bets because
you're never gonna win. That.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You heard it here first from miss I feel like
that's like the perfect way to kind of end this.
You're giving them advice about what's coming next. Also, I'm
sad the Nets did not get a top four pick.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
That was interesting, and I you know, it's for another day.
You know there's other other teams out there that didn't
necessarily pan out either, but you know, I'm not here
to speak on that. So yeah, all right, y'all, thanks
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