June 21, 2026 • 46 mins
Julian Edelman explains what it was like learning and NFL Playbook with the New England Patriots, including everything that was in a playbook and the steps he took to know it front to back for gamedays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is it like to learn an NFL playbook? What's
it like to learn an NFL playbook? Well, it's it's
your back. When I came in, they give you the
three inch binder. It was actually a binder back then,
three inch binder, which is the big boy or what
is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And uh, three inches is huge, Yeah, And so they
would give you that and there'd be a table of contents.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There'd be I mean, it was laid out professional. This
is this was the pros, you know, and you had
like at the top you had special teams slots, then
you had the offense install slots, and then when you
get into offense install slots, that would break down to
you know, a whole bunch of things from formations, personnel groups, splits, informations.
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They would have protections, they'd have all the site adjustment rules.
It have all the hot adjustment rules, it have everything.
Everything was broken down fundamentally on there on like you
could find it in the in the playbook. Now it's
it's transferred now to the iPad, which it's probably way
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cleaner and way awesome. And I remember we did that
later in my career for the younger guys that were
coming in. But I mean it's just a it's literally
like the encyclopedia of everything that the offense is about.
I mean it goes you have we have an example
up right here that's exactly how it looks. It'll have
the basic and then it'll have like the defensive line. Uh,
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they'll have like how each play goes against each line.
It'll break down each coverage, it'll break down everything that
the defense defense does, so you can commute like what
did Gruden say, recognition, communicate execution RCEE yep, So you
have to recognize what's going on after you learned your formation, personnel, group, split,
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potential motion, potential shift, like all those things. That's in
the beginning, and then it goes into how things change
against the defense. I mean, it's a it's a it's
a literally it has every single bit of information that
the coach will explain to you. And it's much like
the textbooks when we were kids, where you could read
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that and if you could do that, it'd be great.
But I was always a guy that would, you know,
I had to study it. I would look at it
while we were installing it, while the coach was addressing
the classroom, you know, you would go through your playbook
and you would kind of highlight and then for me,
a lot of guys, for like guys like me, receivers,
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the receivers always. I was a guy that used flashcards
for personnel groups because there's like sixty different personnel groups.
So you know, on Rangers, that's what is said before
the play that tells everyone who they are Rangers. The
personnel group. Our Rangers an eleven or eleven personnel group
were example, Danny goes to the F, I go to
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the z. Lafel's on the X, and Gronks at the Y.
So there's three receivers one tight end, and then whoever
is in the backfield is in the backfield. Then you
would have regular. Regular was twelve, So then regular puts
me at z Lafel at X, and then there'd be
two tight ends that would come in so you'd have to.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Go over that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So I would always flashcard personnel groups and formations because
if you fuck that up, you weren't getting a rep.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
How often are you shifting between these like so when
do you find out that you're like the Z and ranger.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Or that's how often I find that out through the
coaches like weekly weekly. So if they'll give you a
group of personnel groups that we're gonna highlight this week,
we're gonna use these six. These six personnel groups Rangers,
sub sub half and uh another one regular no regulars two.
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Those are all eleven personnel grips. So these are all
these could be the same. This is there's three receivers,
one tight end to and one running back like regular,
sub half, Rangers, Army Marines. Those those tell like every
guy which spot they have to go into. So you
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could make a play for a guy. Instead of changing
the whole concept, you could just change the personnel group.
So if you're trying to get what's this, you're trying
to get Danny at the F. Instead of putting him
at the F, you just changed the personnel group and say,
now Danny goes.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what I mean? Right? That makes sense? Tag
it from there, Tag it from there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You would never tag you just say rangers, okay, and
that would put That would tell everyone where we all go.
I'm at F, I'm at Z, he's at Z, he's
at X, all right, and half I'm at I'm at F,
he's at Z. Half again, I'm at f but maybe
half in sub everyone's in the same spot, but the
tight ends change.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There's a new tight end in you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So the personnel groups are fucking They were a bitch
to learn. And then there's a formations, so then the formations.
They would break it down. All right, guys, we'll have
these eight formations and these personnel groups, and then we
could have these seven empties and empties were you know,
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whenever you know the quarterback is empty and there's five
guys on the line of scrimmage, five receivers, and so
like you'd have to learn were what each formation was
because you'd have to put the F in here, the
X goes outside, like if you're an empty, And it
was just a whole lot of studying. And so once
you got those down, then you'd have to learn defenses
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because when you things could change or you know, then
you learn your concepts. So you go personnel groups, formations,
and then you learn concepts. There was concepts that were
two man concepts. Then there was three man concepts. So
like read read was an incut from by one and
number two has an option route to the outside, and
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so conceptually you were trying to high low this backer.
So that's read now a three man concept or ICE
is another one. Ice was where this guy has an
incut and this guy has a cross route. So that
you'd learn those two man's and there would be three
man concepts, and so you're basically learning how you're building
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in your mind, how the quarterback calls the play. So
first thing you're gonna hear is personnel group. Then you're
gonna hear formation, and you got to learn your protections
because after your formations and concepts, you got to learn
the protections because the protections could it could change your
route if you are a sight adjusting or if you're
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depending on if you can get it protected. The receivers
would have to know because if it's only a five
man protection, there could be a hot and a side
adjustment if you're an empty So you'd have to see
where the mic point is and communicate with the quarterback.
The quarterback was set, he would set the protection. You go,
Mike fifty two, which is the front side backer, or
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here you go, check easy, check easy, We're gonna mic
fifty four. He'd change the protection and he would look
at me and he'd say jewels. So that makes him
the mic. He's the mic, he's the will or the
will because or the Sam. And then the next guy
would be a different slot, the jack, you know, to jack.
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And so then he would look at me and say
these two if those two guys came, If he said two,
then I'd have to break my side adjustment. Now if
he looked at me, Tom could look at me and
he could say, hey, Jules, if he did that, that
means one or the other. If any one of those
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guys come, you gotta break all right. But if he
said to it, you got to go when the two
guys come. And sometimes they would come and one guy
would jack out, so you'd have to get en route,
all right. And then so another one he could look
at you and he could sit there and you see
your guy on your face coming. But Tom paulus change
protection all the way over he over here, so he'd
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make that guy the mic who's on over me, the
star or whatever, and he would sit there and go, Jeles,
you're locked. So if he regardless no matter what, whoever came,
you're locked on the route. So that's when you'd have
to study your protections. So you go Personnel group formations, concepts, protections,
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and that's kind of then you'd break into how defense
was was involved.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
So if you're locked on the route, that means no
matter what it's the play called route is drawn.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Up, okay, messaged sight adjustment. What explained, The.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Hot is to the strong side, So when the Sam
and Mike and Sam come, that's a hot the sight
adjustments to the weak side. So it'd be like a
Will and a week safety. So like if this guy,
so you have your Mike Sam Will, right, you always
see the quarterback making the point. So what what he
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can do is though he could change. Well we always
think that this guy is the MIC, right because he's
near the tight end the strong side of the passing strength. Well,
he could change and make that guy the MIC, So
then it would make him the MIC. The guy to
the right of him who is the star would be
the Sam, meaning that the lion can get a Protec.
And then this guy who we think is that it
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looks like the MIC is now the will. Okay, so
the line could take care of the Mic, Will and Sam.
You know, that's when other guys get involved. That's when
that's when side adjustments and hot hots get involved.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So inside adjustment is like a to the weak side.
It's to the weak side. It's a changing the route
based off of the changing the route.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
A hot and a side adjust could be the same
kind of thing for the receiver, but it's just telling
which side they go. So if it's it's to the
passing strength, that's a hot. If it's the passing So
if so, if I'm sitting here right and we got
we make him the mic, he's the SAM. So he
whoever comes off here, you're hot.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
So you're going to fill that space where they were.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Depending on what the hot is, it could be a
it could be a burst. You have to like a
five yard hitch full speed. You can't lollygag it because
then they sniff that and then they'll break. So you
got to come off the ball hard every time. That
was like the number one pot coaching point to any
kind of side adjustment or hot, you gotta come off
because defense is fucking smart. You know they'll sniff that
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bullshit out if you come lollygagging off and then they
break and it's a pick six because they got a
guy coming to that area. But if you're sprinting, that
guy doesn't know where you're going, so he'll he would
be all scared and he'll be less hesit or less
aggressive to break. So getting back strength is hot, so
to our strong side. Right, So this guy, we make
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him the mic. Anyone come off that, Sam, you're hot.
Anyone coming off the will you're sighting and then you
just have to read if they're coming well, yeah, we
have to. But the quarterback in our system, we had
Tom Brady, so he was the ultimate reminder and he
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when he was dishing out his protections and getting stuff,
he would tell you, and the good quarterbacks do that.
If you look like Peyton Manning and all those boys,
they would sit there all right, I'm locking you.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I'm locking you.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Because he changed the protection and it's it's it's a fact.
The protections are the most fascinating things. That's why offensive
linemen like they have. Not only do they have to
be choreographed in such a great manner together as one
like they're dancing, but they have to be able to
see shit body.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Language of the guys.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They got to be able to break down the defensive
fronts because things change. The protections change if there's a
three down or a four down, like that that's when
we got to start, you know what I mean. But
that's more of the defensive offensive line. You really only
needed to know the backers. Now, if it's a run play,
are you a part of the protection call too.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Or how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So run play?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
On certain run plays, uh, depending on the mic call,
you would always have like the six man in the box, right,
so the sixth man on the box or is it
the seventh Either be the strong the strong safety coming
down or the star or it would be that corner
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if that, if that, if one of the safeties dropped
into the box, you'd be responsible if it was a
six or seventh.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Scott Chattio is gonna kill me.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But a lot of the times if the court on
certain plays run plays, the quarterback would lock you on
your guy over your face because they have a line.
Like on a trap play or something. You wouldn't come
down to get the force because we're having alignment coming
and pull to get him or the lion is adjusting
up to that guy. You know, you'd always for the
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most part of most of the time for receivers, they're
blocking skill guys. Safety's corners. Now, when you see the
guys the on the bunches, the receivers on the bunch.
A lot of times you're seeing with like the Lions
San Francisco, they'll have have their receiver Saint Brown.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He'll he'll set the edge and he'll take out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Of the end and then they'll pull the tackle in
the in the guard on those toss traps. But like
that's those are like one off plays and they'd have
to be condensed down. You're not really going in and
getting linebackers because that's usually for for the line. There
are certain occasions where like in Seattle, the Seattle Super Bowl,
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on the back side of this, I forgot the run play,
but there was a backside play where I would go
up and I I I would the linebacker would be
in my face and I would go up and go
to the safety like and you could fully get them.
But then there'd be times where they could lock you
and you'd have to just get If you're on the
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back side, you have to get in his way and
get in his way to cut them off for the
front side of the run. But most of the time
you're playing, you're you're going against the smaller guys, unless
it's one of those specialty plays the playbook. I mean
this everything for the offensive line and you have everyone's.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Uh, you have all of it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you could go through the offensive line part and see,
you know, the shades because like they have a bunch
of stuff on like on you know they divide the
guy one, two, three, Uh what shades they are and
you could learn all that you know. The I mean
it's it's it's like an encyclopedia of everything fundamentally they
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have in your playbook. They have a whole section on
just your the cadence and the snap counts. Wow, you
know what I mean, the going on two, going on
three color this color that you know gold calls or uh,
you know to change plays. There's an audible section how
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you every way to communicate anything it was in the playbook.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
You know what if you got say how much was
getting added or like say you install play from week
six that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Those are all the fundamentals. Now once you get in
this is.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
This is all training camp right right, and there's a
lot of is a test to see who can retain
what and you won't even have to get if you
listen to the coaches, you You're not just gonna sit
there and be a guy that I mean, they're smart
guys that will sit there and read the playbook and
they can digest it. But if you go along with
the coaching, you know, that'll that'll help you. The month
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you're paying attention to class, you don't have to go
do homework. Yeah, well, it's good to reference it, you
know what I mean, It's just like school. It's fucking
just like school. There's some guys that can sit there
and read the formations and do it. I mean I
had to put them on flash cards and concepts and
me and Hoyer would sit and bounce them off of
each other. Because you know, when you're young football player,
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a lot of the a lot of the evaluation of
you is how much you can retain how much can
you take from the classroom to the drills to the
team periods. They that's like that's the huge, like one
of the biggest evaluation processes of these young football players
because once you get to the reg to get to
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your point, once you get to the regular season, okay,
you that's all fundamental. Now, new plays, game plan plays
come in and so you're gonna have to be able
to install a ten to fifteen new plays each week,
potentially on what that team's weaknesses are.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Are those getting sheets to go into the playbook?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Those are yeah, so each week on a Wednesday, so
you have your big ass book and then when you
come in then you get back in the day, they
would give you sheets just like those sheets, and you'd
have all your your past concepts on there, all your
run concepts, the install for that week's prep. And so
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some of it could carry over to some of the
stuff that we already learned in training camp and in
the install, but some of it can be completely new
and completely different. But if you lean on your fundamentals
of what you've learned in training camp, you'd be able
to communicate and understand it because it'll still be this.
It could be the same, it'll be the same language,
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but it could be a different concept or a different
protection or a different personnel group that's incorporated into it.
So it's just like fit finding out the puzzle. So
to simplify the playbook, the organization of it. If you've
mentioned personnel, you mentioned formation, protection concepts, concepts, you'd have
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snap counts, snap counts. That's usually at the beginning you'd
have splits for receivers. What is that splits are so
in certain formations of certain plays and certain concepts. So
like on a say ice, if you're the outside receiver,
which ice is an incut and a crosser, If you're
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the outside receiver on ice, you have to have a
plus four split from the number yards. Yes, then there
was also a plus two split on certain concepts. Then
there was sometimes there was a minus two split. So
and then when you get into like certain formation buzzwords
like nasty, nasty tells everyone that you're condensed. So then
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you'd have those in the playbook on buzzwords for uh
buzzwords for formation splitting, you'd have Then you'd have a
whole section on movement. So movement is shifts and motions.
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So for us, if you heard if there, if the
suffix was I n G ing, then you're coming in.
If the suffolx was a p app, you're coming across.
So so if you're the F and you hear fing,
you're just coming in for a pass play.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
If you're because it's thing is f I n G,
that guy is going in.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So if you hear zing, the Z is coming in
ying the.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Other you're going the other because it's AP right.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
FAP, it would be across for a block of blocking
for a like a run play FAP. If it's fact
a C then then then you're going across for a
pass play or something. Then there was z U, z U, zig,
I G. You hear a lot of that with the
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slot that's going into the guard and back out, So
that's a formation indicator. You're seeing what kind of coverage
you can get. Then there would be the Y shift.
All that's telling you is when you hear a you're
you're your letter and shift. You're starting on another the
other side and you're shifting over and we're resetting the
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play to that.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You know you're here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
H home that's just telling the home is one of
those buzzwords for a shift for the H home. He's
coming from all the way outside the receiver back into
the home spot. So there'd be a whole freaking table
of content or what is it a chapter on that, Yeah,
you know, so, I mean it goes into everything.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Then you have just beyond that. I want to hear
all the different segments.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
There was fing fact, there is h fing fact fat
uh zig or zig. There was z shift. Then there
was h home you could use all the other letters
for that you have and I'm probably missing one. Yeah,
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that's you'd have there, and there was probably a couple others.
Then there was a there would be what was this,
There was a fast one, like a fast motion. We
started doing that. So let's bet Mike McDaniel with like McDaniel,
there there'd be the fast it's like a rabbit zing
or there. There's there are certain buzzwords for that. If
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I heard it, I would I'd be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What other like chapters outside of like movements, so we
got personal formation protection concepts, snapcount splits, movements.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Movements, and motions.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Motions, So there is like it's a misnomer that there's
actual plays in the playbooks rather than you go concepts
and then concepts, then concepts and routes.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So then you'd have you'd have every single route, you know,
like a go route, a in cut. Then there's there
was the fourteen yard incut, the twelve yard incut, the
twenty yard in cut. There was you know, there was
the stopper route, which is a twenty five yard like
comeback but you break you open in and come back
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down the line. There was a comeback at sixteen, There
was a comeback at fourteen. There is a ten yard out,
there was a five yard out, or you know, six
to twelve you usually uh, you know, you have your
slot routes, which were you know, then there's tosser to
two slants. There's hook, which is a three man concept.
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The three has the hook, the two has the diagonal
with something that you always see. And the guy has
an m R which is must outside release, go on
the outside there. I mean, we're going off to just
the knowledge of my brain, and you know, a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Of knowledge, baby, I mean, how see, I'm always curious
going back to a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Like some of these oftens don't don't id the mic
is crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think a lot of them do. It's just who
depending on who's identifying the mic, it's either sometimes it's
the center and a lot of systems, right, like a
lot of the younger quarterbacks in the West Coast systems
from what I've been told, right what I heard, the
center makes the call.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
But then and then you hear some of these ones
where like I mean, of course the Patriots or the
outlier here and what you know more than anybody, But
like how simplistic are some of these offens? Like you
know what I mean, you hear some of these where
like a guy comes from like a really simple system,
and it's like, how different is that from like the
most simple NFL on to.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I would say simpler offenses are just offenses that don't
try to get into the right play and call a
play and run that play and there's no there's no
adapt to adaptation to that play according to what the
defense is doing, which do exist.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
In their twenty twenty six in the NFL, which do exist. Okay,
that's crazy, I.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Mean, isn't that the whole thing with the Patriots offense?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But sometimes when you got guys, so that that's the
fine line, right when you got guys, what you what
a coach's job is to do is to make the
player play as fast as you can. And sometimes when
you flood the guy's minds with too much, then they're
thinking they're not going to be able to totally. So
you know, it's harder to get a lot of these
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complex advantages and complexities of change during play, during pre snap,
during post snap, because a lot you know, then a
lot of guys got to be on the same page
at the same time, and sometimes a lot of teams
don't have the luxury of that guy gets hurt, young
guys on offense, young quarterback can't.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Get it all like that. That that's very hard to do, right,
So personnel is going to dictate so much of that
personnel dictates what you can do. That makes subtal sense.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Was there a specific player concept when you first started?
That just fried your brain? It just couldn't. It was
the hardest one to grasp.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They used to have this thing called the wiggle route,
and I used to hate it, and West was really
good at it. The wiggle route was like in a
West Coast system. It's called like the basic. The basic
is they do like, but it was different than the basic.
The basic is like a twelve yard incut. It's usually
the slot guy runs a twelve yard speed incut and
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he goes well. The wiggle route was kind of like
that ten to twelve yard incut, and you could but
a verse man. You had to break it down and
give him something at the top and break flat to
downhill if it was one man. If it was cover five,
which is two man. You could run the endcut, but
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if he was walling you off, you could pull it
out all right. And then if it was zone and
it was to Tampa, you would find the zone. So
there was like three different things, and I always struggled
on like the Cover five one. I don't know because
I always wanted to whip it out, but if you
could win in, you could keep it going. And there's
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a lot of indecision and that's the worst thing for
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
To see in a route, So you you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So you had three, and you know it took me
time to like figure out how to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So the wiggle route, oh wiggle.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And then there was like the Q route, which was
kind of like the outside version, which the old Q was.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
If it was rolled rolled meaning covered two.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You had this guy was letting you go, and there's
a half field safety you run, you know, you run
the bow route where you get inside, you reset your
your vertical stem to about fourteen, and then you hit
a high seven and let the quarterback flatten you in
between the half field safety and the the flat zone
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defender right versus Cover three. It was like a I
think it was like a curral route and then if
it was man. If it was man, you uh press,
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you had to get inside and then you'd run and
then you'd hit like an inside stutter where you could
take it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
It's almost like a post corner.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It was just it was the same kind of three
routes with in one route according to coverage. And it
was before like I was comfortable reading coverage post now.
I mean I was always actually pretty good at reading coverage.
It was just the running of the route from me
and and being able to make them all look the
same and not dictating because like these dbs man that
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they're they know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
They're bullshit readers, but they could read it. Yeah you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
They could feel if you're if you're hesitating at something,
they feel it and they break and they make the plays.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
They're they're they're extraordinary athletes.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Was there a moment where you feel like it clicked
or like when you felt like I can actually use
my physicality versus my like became instinct versus like thinking
through it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean I would say after like my third my
third my third year, like it was just clicking in
spurts kind of like my golf.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And then by by the year three, you know, I
had enough, I had enough reps of actual feeling it
in practice. Uh, you know, doing it an offseason with
Tom the you know, the amount of reps that I
had at that point helped me because I felt every
situation at that point, you.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Weren't topping the ball or slicing that thing in the wood. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And I got one last question this year anything.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I think to Kyler's last question, the quick follow, but like,
at what point not only were you grasping that thing?
Were you and Tom like mind melded like full his
brain's my brain, Like we're seeing the.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Field the exact till like probably year five.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Okay, that's never figured some war or five when Welker
left right with.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Those extra first team route.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that and it was you know, he had to
start trusting me. It's hard for those guys to you know,
when when when you have a guy, when you're a quarterback,
you know, in regardless water flows downhill, water flows downhill.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
One other one guy, I swear I was trying to
look this up over here. I swear I remember maybe
on my mind's playing tricks on me. I swear someone
on the Patriots left their playbook at the hotel on
the road in like a preseason game against.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I was just gonna ask what penalty that could be?
Conduct detrimental? That could be like a thirty five thousand.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wow, yeah, because you bring on the road with you, right,
oh yeah, and but that thing.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But when you're in, when you're like now with the
iPads and stuff, when do they switch to the iPad?
I want to say, like my fourth year okay, so
oh wow, yeah, third fourth year micro soft surface.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But the thing is.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
With the iPads, they have more power the team. So
they would collect iPad like during camp and ship. They
would collect the iPads after games or during games, you
know what I mean. They would collect there would be
a fucking big ass like home thing and you'd have
to go and turn your iPad, and you know, there'd
be a coach coming to a you don't you turn
your iPad?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And they can update stuff better update or they could
just wipe you. They can also keep track of how
much you're using.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
They keep track of how much you're using. Can you
go to like websites and stuff on it or no? No,
it's pretty long. I mean, my boy Jared had my ship, I.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Had my.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Jahout out angry birds on there. No, No, I just
you know what what jail broke was me being able
to look at the news there like the fact that
I can.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Look at the news. We couldn't even get on Google.
You'd be there getting on news and like oh shit, hell.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, get to see some articles just reading keeping up
with the world.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Baby, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And one last question, So you were quarterback in college
do you? And then so now though the playbook with
the iPads, it's so awesome because you could go through
all your thing and then you could see it and
you could press a button and see an example of
the play.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Against the footage.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's cool. So yeah, it's a little bit more of
like a multi media experience.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's insane now you have it all on your iPad.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
So you were a quarterback in college, do you remember,
like remember a specifically complicated play from your time in case?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No, I've been trying to do that and I remember,
like I don't remember the play calling, but it was
a West Coast so there was like eighty four i'd
have a protection or seventy three or i'd have a
sixties or sixties, seventies and eighties eighties were like I
was fully protected and there'd be some like kind of
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get open, why shallow look. It was like a West
Coast spread. I've really I gotta I gotta call up
old Dougie Fresh. Should get him on the show, Doug Martin,
I should shout out, we should.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think he's at Elon right now.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Let's go, baby, Let's make a trip down. Let's go
over to Burlington, North Caroline.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
His wife's she she used to kill it in the
real estate world.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Oh killing it. He's probably running Burlington right now. Probably,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You don't remember like a play call, like you, I
just remember. I remember the concept. I remember my favorite
concept was poker. I don't remember like because dude, after
here and all, it just get gets wiped because I've
heard and then I remember doing that. But like because
early in my my uh, early in my career, the
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protections were messing with me. Because seventies we used to
have a thing called scat protection where it's five man
protection only, and that was the same as like you're
your your seventies protection. So like I had a lot
of that or eighties was the same as my sixties
in college.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So then I kind of wipe it. Yeah, you know
what I mean, You give us a quick.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
John Gruden esque Blake call. I don't really from the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
From the Patriots. You could go like sub home home
to fing home home.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It could be home f right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Fing right one thirty four, f bow ice, alert ride
one thirty or alert thirty four gap or or something,
or you could there. The thing is, it gets wordy
when you would get like two or three play calls.
So all you got to do is say two fucking
plays it's alert and so and the root. By the
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time you're in it, you can just when I hear
the play call, when Tom would say I heard, I
would hear the protection, I'd hear the concept, and then
there'd be a couple of buzzwords. You know you're sitting
you know you're sitting in the huddle all year. All right,
all right, fingerl right, I got a thing, right, you
know what I mean. No, that's when you're like and
how to say the play would be in the playbook,
you know what I mean? Like right there home, what
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I say, I told you the h started out home
to f right, So wherever he is, he's we got
to get to F right, which is the formation, and
then fing telling me to fing in ride one thirty four,
which is the protection play action f bow ice alert
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ride one thirty or alert thirty four alerting to just
the run if it was two safeties. You know, I mean,
I'm not a fucking I was never like a I
mean you know, I was never like you hear all
these backup quarterbacks like Dog and or Lawski, like those
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guys they could recite their whole thing because they were
communicating it, you know what I mean. When and I
remember that struggle from when I turned to quarterback to receiver.
Hearing a play was different than saying the play. Like
it took me a while to learn how to hear
the play and know what to do then when I
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used to when you say the play, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Oh, for sure it is.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's so stupid for me, But I mean the backup
quarterbacks they were always like they had to know everything.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, and they're getting mental reps like crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
They're getting mental reps. Slant with a clipboard your hand.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and once you get out.
I mean, if I were to go back for Like,
that's why I love going back. You know, you go
to the Patriots, you can go to their meeting like
they let me come and sit in on their meetings,
or Abel let me sit in or whoever whoever the
coaches were at the time. They've gotten to sit in
on all of them. That's when it refreshes, you know
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what I mean, It's all okay, now they're doing this,
you know, and Josh getting to sit in Josh meetings McDaniels.
You know, I could a lot. You could see where
the play callings evolved because now that they're making them
less worthy and they're having buzz words tell like a
lot of guys what to do. So there it could
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be like only three words, but those three words could
be protection.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Concept evolutions got to be crazy. Yeah, And then.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We'd have like a NASCAR package in the playbook where
it would be that or one one word would tell
just everything. So that would be a lot of the things.
When we were installing, like weekly, the coaches would say,
you know, all right, we're going to do these four
NASCAR plays and they'd break them in. We'd only do
it for like those three days or two days and
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then they they would say, all right, we're atting four
more NASCAR plays, so they'd expect you to you have
to already know those ones. And so you're at eight
by the week, you know, day five, and then after
day seven they'd give you four more NASCAR plays. So
you're building your book. You're building you know that. That's
how they would install it, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So just for the audience, NASCAR is like a hurry up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
NASCAR would be no huddle, and then the play calls
like one word and you have to know one word everyone.
What's a like? Jordan was like a jan isn't Barkley
one too? Barkley was h it was Barkley. Barkley was
Charlie Sheen. So the Charlie Charlie program was a certain protection.
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So we we had Charlie Sheen, We had Charles Barkley,
I love it, Yeah, which was stopper, you know, on
the outside. He was the best stopper of all time.
We have Jordan. We had Alli, which was those were
our like go tos that we could always run. It
was a fundamental play. It was empty right uh or
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Bonzi right, haas z Juke, which is you know, haas
and then the Z has a juke route. Jordan would
be to the right, Allie would be the same play
on the left. You know, you'd have Jordan, and then
there'd be like, uh man, I'm gonna get exposed for
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not knowing my play.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
And like this is like you guys were lining up
or like you're going from your running.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Up Jordan Jordan, Jordan, here Tommy tom Like Jordan Jordan, Nascar,
Nascar Jordan.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Everyone get the line of scrimmage. Everyone know what to do.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
So like someone like Ray Lewis that might have a
lot of experience against you, guys might have some film,
might have some tape on like some of these Nascar
plays could Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But if you're going fast, they can know what you're doing.
You still got to execute, still got to execute.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That was my thing.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
You could go Jordan, he could go Jordan Jordan, and
we'd all set up in Bonzi and then he could
sit out there and look at us and give us hook.
He could and we all have to and if he
goes like that, then it changed all three of us
what to do. There was nonverbal coms or you can
go say. What you could do is we call a
play in the huddle, and you can go xerox, xerox,
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xerox and xerox meant same exact, same exact formation. And
there was no play making copies, and so you're making
copies and you could sit there and there'd be no places,
and then all of a sudden he would get us
into a play based off of how they line up.
That was called the molasses that would be in the
pre pre there would be a pre snap, a pre
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snap menu which motions and all that cadence molasses was.
There was no play call momo. So he could sit there,
all right, it's on MO, it's on MO. You had
you had to hear gold, gold color or like the
buzz color for the play to be in. So he
could sit up there, and this is how you try
to get the defense, you know, kind of show what
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they were doing there, White twenty, why twenty hot, hot,
hurt heart like eighty eight by eight. So sometimes and
then you go gold thirty gold tells everyone plays on go.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So even on those like hard costs, there might not
even be a play call.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's just let's see what you got, let's see what
you We're just trying to get a tell out of
the defense that happening again, I mean, depending on the
defense you were playing, who's a disguised defense man?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
If John Gruden just heard you do that, oh the
hair on the back of the stand?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Why put how I.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Mean call, they wouldn't know. But how often do you
think like McDaniels is in Brady's ears.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
In there until fifteen seconds? So you do that a
lot of the NASCAR. So that's why that's it. That's
so you when you when you gotta say you have
a really good defensive line. And what NASCAR would do
is NASCAR if you you could run out of sub
which is three receivers, or you could run it out
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of regular, but that's hard because then you got guys
going in different spots. Right, So when you have a
good defensive line, fast guys, NASCAR, what it does is
it doesn't allow them to substitute, which is huge.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So and you can go fast.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
And so if you get to the line of scrimmage,
you get to the line of scrimmage with the most
time as you possibly can, then Tom and Josh can
communicate until fifteen So as soon as the other play's done,
the forty clock starts.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
That's a lot of time to talk.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Forty clock starts right, So if you're done, say it's
a long play downfield, then everyone gets to the line
of scrimmage. You got you use your NASCAR term. All right,
we're going Jordan, all right, we're going with Charles Barkley,
Charles Barkley. Everyone gets into Charles Barkley. You're there with
twenty eight seconds. You got fourteen seconds if you got
there in ten seconds, or twelve seconds. If you get
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everyone gets the line scrimmage by fifteen seconds, you got
ten twelve seconds to communicate with Josh. So then they
could sit there. Tom can't talk to him, but he
can hear them, you know. So then then we used
to do like muddle huddles. Muddle huddle is kind of
like a fast huddle where we're not getting back to
the huddle. We're kind of getting back and we're getting
near the line of scrimmage and we're yelling out NASCAR terms,
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but it's not Nascar. Nascar means we're going fast. Yeah,
so muddle huddle is different than NASCAR. That would be
in the pre pre it's so it'd be so crazy.
The gold turn you have, like the buzz terms and
Black eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Black eighty eight would be on three full masterclass.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Right now, you're saying the kids that Phillips and over
with Earnie.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Your fucked no good coaches. They know to simplify.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Good coaches simplify, And a lot of the evaluation of
training camp is to try to get guys to be
anxious about how much there is, to see how much
they can they can handle and see that hey, you
don't have to know all this where if you listen
to the coaching staff that you know, this is what
we're gonna go over learn those you know what I mean.
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It's all part of everything, the evaluation process of how
you're building your team.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
But like to go back to what we said earlier,
it's all about like personnel dictates so much of this.
Like when you got when it was you and Dolan
gronking Jojo and it was just clicking and you guys
could go no huddle so often.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Oh that was the best.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
That was like the strength of you know, with Chris
Hogan and Malcolm Mitchell and Dola, Like we weren't like
the most explosive group, but the strength of that team
was the smartness, like the.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Everyone's a saying everyone was smarts.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
The beauty of the Aarhart Perkins is when everyone's got.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It, everyone's everyone was on the same page at all times.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
That was the best to watch. Oh god, I loved it. Man.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That was awesome. Guys, keep keep u people leave comments
on YouTube. Maybe maybe we'll get a whiteboard and like
pick up a pick a playof I gotta get my playbook.
I have playbooks, so maybe we should just expose it.
Oh fire, let's go.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Speaking of exposing in playbooks, I always think back to that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Uh when you remember when.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Chris uh, Chris Cooley got in trouble in the early
days of like instagram, he took a picture was like
in the preseason, like cracking open the playbook and he
was studying the playbook naked, so you could see like
the typically in the Instagram pictured.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Like three like penis related.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, Chris cool while keeping on those igels, who's Chris Cooley?
Speaker 4 (45:29):
He was a tight end sat for a little while.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
I remember he was actually a good place. Yeah yeah,
I don't know why. That's in my taking up space
in my brain.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Three inch binder.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, that was awesome. That keep sending these We love
pulling back the curtain, man, because.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
That was playbook. But that got into a lot of
different stuff. But I've always want to know how. You
don't answer it, We'll do another time. But like you
guys got to like how you know personnel from the sidelines,
when to go in and how signals.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, with you never, I'd be so bad at that.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
And that goes into like you practice, that's what practice
is for, you know, like all the receivers are in
with the receiver coach on the sideline, all the running
backs are with the running backs, and you have to
practice those things. Your communication coming in the field, with
your signal. There were certain signals half hat, your sub army, army,
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we all had signals at receiver which probably change, uh,
you know, but you have.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
To cycle through anything that's gonna be on tape, signals
and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
But like it didn't really change that often really, So
like one of those things like that's our best shot,
man against man, we're gonna beat you.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, yeah, I don't know the personnel group
What is it like to learn an NFL playbook? What's
it like to learn an NFL playbook? Well, it's it's
your back. When I came in, they give you the
three inch binder. It was actually a binder back then,
three inch binder, which is the big boy or what
is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And uh, three inches is huge, Yeah, And so they
would give you that and there'd be a table of contents.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There'd be I mean, it was laid out professional. This
is this was the pros, you know, and you had
like at the top you had special teams slots, then
you had the offense install slots, and then when you
get into offense install slots, that would break down to
you know, a whole bunch of things from formations, personnel groups, splits, informations.
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They would have protections, they'd have all the site adjustment rules.
It have all the hot adjustment rules, it have everything.
Everything was broken down fundamentally on there on like you
could find it in the in the playbook. Now it's
it's transferred now to the iPad, which it's probably way
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cleaner and way awesome. And I remember we did that
later in my career for the younger guys that were
coming in. But I mean it's just a it's literally
like the encyclopedia of everything that the offense is about.
I mean it goes you have we have an example
up right here that's exactly how it looks. It'll have
the basic and then it'll have like the defensive line. Uh,
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they'll have like how each play goes against each line.
It'll break down each coverage, it'll break down everything that
the defense defense does, so you can commute like what
did Gruden say, recognition, communicate execution RCEE yep, So you
have to recognize what's going on after you learned your formation, personnel, group, split,
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potential motion, potential shift, like all those things. That's in
the beginning, and then it goes into how things change
against the defense. I mean, it's a it's a it's
a literally it has every single bit of information that
the coach will explain to you. And it's much like
the textbooks when we were kids, where you could read
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that and if you could do that, it'd be great.
But I was always a guy that would, you know,
I had to study it. I would look at it
while we were installing it, while the coach was addressing
the classroom, you know, you would go through your playbook
and you would kind of highlight and then for me,
a lot of guys, for like guys like me, receivers,
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the receivers always. I was a guy that used flashcards
for personnel groups because there's like sixty different personnel groups.
So you know, on Rangers, that's what is said before
the play that tells everyone who they are Rangers. The
personnel group. Our Rangers an eleven or eleven personnel group
were example, Danny goes to the F, I go to
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the z. Lafel's on the X, and Gronks at the Y.
So there's three receivers one tight end, and then whoever
is in the backfield is in the backfield. Then you
would have regular. Regular was twelve, So then regular puts
me at z Lafel at X, and then there'd be
two tight ends that would come in so you'd have to.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Go over that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So I would always flashcard personnel groups and formations because
if you fuck that up, you weren't getting a rep.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
How often are you shifting between these like so when
do you find out that you're like the Z and ranger.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Or that's how often I find that out through the
coaches like weekly weekly. So if they'll give you a
group of personnel groups that we're gonna highlight this week,
we're gonna use these six. These six personnel groups Rangers,
sub sub half and uh another one regular no regulars two.
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Those are all eleven personnel grips. So these are all
these could be the same. This is there's three receivers,
one tight end to and one running back like regular,
sub half, Rangers, Army Marines. Those those tell like every
guy which spot they have to go into. So you
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could make a play for a guy. Instead of changing
the whole concept, you could just change the personnel group.
So if you're trying to get what's this, you're trying
to get Danny at the F. Instead of putting him
at the F, you just changed the personnel group and say,
now Danny goes.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what I mean? Right? That makes sense? Tag
it from there, Tag it from there.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You would never tag you just say rangers, okay, and
that would put That would tell everyone where we all go.
I'm at F, I'm at Z, he's at Z, he's
at X, all right, and half I'm at I'm at F,
he's at Z. Half again, I'm at f but maybe
half in sub everyone's in the same spot, but the
tight ends change.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
There's a new tight end in you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So the personnel groups are fucking They were a bitch
to learn. And then there's a formations, so then the formations.
They would break it down. All right, guys, we'll have
these eight formations and these personnel groups, and then we
could have these seven empties and empties were you know,
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whenever you know the quarterback is empty and there's five
guys on the line of scrimmage, five receivers, and so
like you'd have to learn were what each formation was
because you'd have to put the F in here, the
X goes outside, like if you're an empty, And it
was just a whole lot of studying. And so once
you got those down, then you'd have to learn defenses
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because when you things could change or you know, then
you learn your concepts. So you go personnel groups, formations,
and then you learn concepts. There was concepts that were
two man concepts. Then there was three man concepts. So
like read read was an incut from by one and
number two has an option route to the outside, and
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so conceptually you were trying to high low this backer.
So that's read now a three man concept or ICE
is another one. Ice was where this guy has an
incut and this guy has a cross route. So that
you'd learn those two man's and there would be three
man concepts, and so you're basically learning how you're building
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in your mind, how the quarterback calls the play. So
first thing you're gonna hear is personnel group. Then you're
gonna hear formation, and you got to learn your protections
because after your formations and concepts, you got to learn
the protections because the protections could it could change your
route if you are a sight adjusting or if you're
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depending on if you can get it protected. The receivers
would have to know because if it's only a five
man protection, there could be a hot and a side
adjustment if you're an empty So you'd have to see
where the mic point is and communicate with the quarterback.
The quarterback was set, he would set the protection. You go,
Mike fifty two, which is the front side backer, or
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here you go, check easy, check easy, We're gonna mic
fifty four. He'd change the protection and he would look
at me and he'd say jewels. So that makes him
the mic. He's the mic, he's the will or the
will because or the Sam. And then the next guy
would be a different slot, the jack, you know, to jack.
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And so then he would look at me and say
these two if those two guys came, If he said two,
then I'd have to break my side adjustment. Now if
he looked at me, Tom could look at me and
he could say, hey, Jules, if he did that, that
means one or the other. If any one of those
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guys come, you gotta break all right. But if he
said to it, you got to go when the two
guys come. And sometimes they would come and one guy
would jack out, so you'd have to get en route,
all right. And then so another one he could look
at you and he could sit there and you see
your guy on your face coming. But Tom paulus change
protection all the way over he over here, so he'd
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make that guy the mic who's on over me, the
star or whatever, and he would sit there and go, Jeles,
you're locked. So if he regardless no matter what, whoever came,
you're locked on the route. So that's when you'd have
to study your protections. So you go Personnel group formations, concepts, protections,
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and that's kind of then you'd break into how defense
was was involved.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
So if you're locked on the route, that means no
matter what it's the play called route is drawn.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Up, okay, messaged sight adjustment. What explained, The.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Hot is to the strong side, So when the Sam
and Mike and Sam come, that's a hot the sight
adjustments to the weak side. So it'd be like a
Will and a week safety. So like if this guy,
so you have your Mike Sam Will, right, you always
see the quarterback making the point. So what what he
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can do is though he could change. Well we always
think that this guy is the MIC, right because he's
near the tight end the strong side of the passing strength. Well,
he could change and make that guy the MIC, So
then it would make him the MIC. The guy to
the right of him who is the star would be
the Sam, meaning that the lion can get a Protec.
And then this guy who we think is that it
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looks like the MIC is now the will. Okay, so
the line could take care of the Mic, Will and Sam.
You know, that's when other guys get involved. That's when
that's when side adjustments and hot hots get involved.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So inside adjustment is like a to the weak side.
It's to the weak side. It's a changing the route
based off of the changing the route.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
A hot and a side adjust could be the same
kind of thing for the receiver, but it's just telling
which side they go. So if it's it's to the
passing strength, that's a hot. If it's the passing So
if so, if I'm sitting here right and we got
we make him the mic, he's the SAM. So he
whoever comes off here, you're hot.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
So you're going to fill that space where they were.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Depending on what the hot is, it could be a
it could be a burst. You have to like a
five yard hitch full speed. You can't lollygag it because
then they sniff that and then they'll break. So you
got to come off the ball hard every time. That
was like the number one pot coaching point to any
kind of side adjustment or hot, you gotta come off
because defense is fucking smart. You know they'll sniff that
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bullshit out if you come lollygagging off and then they
break and it's a pick six because they got a
guy coming to that area. But if you're sprinting, that
guy doesn't know where you're going, so he'll he would
be all scared and he'll be less hesit or less
aggressive to break. So getting back strength is hot, so
to our strong side. Right, So this guy, we make
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him the mic. Anyone come off that, Sam, you're hot.
Anyone coming off the will you're sighting and then you
just have to read if they're coming well, yeah, we
have to. But the quarterback in our system, we had
Tom Brady, so he was the ultimate reminder and he
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when he was dishing out his protections and getting stuff,
he would tell you, and the good quarterbacks do that.
If you look like Peyton Manning and all those boys,
they would sit there all right, I'm locking you.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I'm locking you.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Because he changed the protection and it's it's it's a fact.
The protections are the most fascinating things. That's why offensive
linemen like they have. Not only do they have to
be choreographed in such a great manner together as one
like they're dancing, but they have to be able to
see shit body.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Language of the guys.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They got to be able to break down the defensive
fronts because things change. The protections change if there's a
three down or a four down, like that that's when
we got to start, you know what I mean. But
that's more of the defensive offensive line. You really only
needed to know the backers. Now, if it's a run play,
are you a part of the protection call too.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Or how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So run play?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
On certain run plays, uh, depending on the mic call,
you would always have like the six man in the box, right,
so the sixth man on the box or is it
the seventh Either be the strong the strong safety coming
down or the star or it would be that corner
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if that, if that, if one of the safeties dropped
into the box, you'd be responsible if it was a
six or seventh.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Scott Chattio is gonna kill me.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But a lot of the times if the court on
certain plays run plays, the quarterback would lock you on
your guy over your face because they have a line.
Like on a trap play or something. You wouldn't come
down to get the force because we're having alignment coming
and pull to get him or the lion is adjusting
up to that guy. You know, you'd always for the
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most part of most of the time for receivers, they're
blocking skill guys. Safety's corners. Now, when you see the
guys the on the bunches, the receivers on the bunch.
A lot of times you're seeing with like the Lions
San Francisco, they'll have have their receiver Saint Brown.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He'll he'll set the edge and he'll take out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Of the end and then they'll pull the tackle in
the in the guard on those toss traps. But like
that's those are like one off plays and they'd have
to be condensed down. You're not really going in and
getting linebackers because that's usually for for the line. There
are certain occasions where like in Seattle, the Seattle Super Bowl,
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on the back side of this, I forgot the run play,
but there was a backside play where I would go
up and I I I would the linebacker would be
in my face and I would go up and go
to the safety like and you could fully get them.
But then there'd be times where they could lock you
and you'd have to just get If you're on the
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back side, you have to get in his way and
get in his way to cut them off for the
front side of the run. But most of the time
you're playing, you're you're going against the smaller guys, unless
it's one of those specialty plays the playbook. I mean
this everything for the offensive line and you have everyone's.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Uh, you have all of it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you could go through the offensive line part and see,
you know, the shades because like they have a bunch
of stuff on like on you know they divide the
guy one, two, three, Uh what shades they are and
you could learn all that you know. The I mean
it's it's it's like an encyclopedia of everything fundamentally they
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have in your playbook. They have a whole section on
just your the cadence and the snap counts. Wow, you
know what I mean, the going on two, going on
three color this color that you know gold calls or uh,
you know to change plays. There's an audible section how
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you every way to communicate anything it was in the playbook.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
You know what if you got say how much was
getting added or like say you install play from week
six that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Those are all the fundamentals. Now once you get in
this is.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
This is all training camp right right, and there's a
lot of is a test to see who can retain
what and you won't even have to get if you
listen to the coaches, you You're not just gonna sit
there and be a guy that I mean, they're smart
guys that will sit there and read the playbook and
they can digest it. But if you go along with
the coaching, you know, that'll that'll help you. The month
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you're paying attention to class, you don't have to go
do homework. Yeah, well, it's good to reference it, you
know what I mean, It's just like school. It's fucking
just like school. There's some guys that can sit there
and read the formations and do it. I mean I
had to put them on flash cards and concepts and
me and Hoyer would sit and bounce them off of
each other. Because you know, when you're young football player,
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a lot of the a lot of the evaluation of
you is how much you can retain how much can
you take from the classroom to the drills to the
team periods. They that's like that's the huge, like one
of the biggest evaluation processes of these young football players
because once you get to the reg to get to
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your point, once you get to the regular season, okay,
you that's all fundamental. Now, new plays, game plan plays
come in and so you're gonna have to be able
to install a ten to fifteen new plays each week,
potentially on what that team's weaknesses are.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Are those getting sheets to go into the playbook?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Those are yeah, so each week on a Wednesday, so
you have your big ass book and then when you
come in then you get back in the day, they
would give you sheets just like those sheets, and you'd
have all your your past concepts on there, all your
run concepts, the install for that week's prep. And so
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some of it could carry over to some of the
stuff that we already learned in training camp and in
the install, but some of it can be completely new
and completely different. But if you lean on your fundamentals
of what you've learned in training camp, you'd be able
to communicate and understand it because it'll still be this.
It could be the same, it'll be the same language,
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but it could be a different concept or a different
protection or a different personnel group that's incorporated into it.
So it's just like fit finding out the puzzle. So
to simplify the playbook, the organization of it. If you've
mentioned personnel, you mentioned formation, protection concepts, concepts, you'd have
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snap counts, snap counts. That's usually at the beginning you'd
have splits for receivers. What is that splits are so
in certain formations of certain plays and certain concepts. So
like on a say ice, if you're the outside receiver,
which ice is an incut and a crosser, If you're
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the outside receiver on ice, you have to have a
plus four split from the number yards. Yes, then there
was also a plus two split on certain concepts. Then
there was sometimes there was a minus two split. So
and then when you get into like certain formation buzzwords
like nasty, nasty tells everyone that you're condensed. So then
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you'd have those in the playbook on buzzwords for uh
buzzwords for formation splitting, you'd have Then you'd have a
whole section on movement. So movement is shifts and motions.
(19:38):
So for us, if you heard if there, if the
suffix was I n G ing, then you're coming in.
If the suffolx was a p app, you're coming across.
So so if you're the F and you hear fing,
you're just coming in for a pass play.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
If you're because it's thing is f I n G,
that guy is going in.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
So if you hear zing, the Z is coming in
ying the.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Other you're going the other because it's AP right.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
FAP, it would be across for a block of blocking
for a like a run play FAP. If it's fact
a C then then then you're going across for a
pass play or something. Then there was z U, z U, zig,
I G. You hear a lot of that with the
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slot that's going into the guard and back out, So
that's a formation indicator. You're seeing what kind of coverage
you can get. Then there would be the Y shift.
All that's telling you is when you hear a you're
you're your letter and shift. You're starting on another the
other side and you're shifting over and we're resetting the
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play to that.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You know you're here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
H home that's just telling the home is one of
those buzzwords for a shift for the H home. He's
coming from all the way outside the receiver back into
the home spot. So there'd be a whole freaking table
of content or what is it a chapter on that, Yeah,
you know, so, I mean it goes into everything.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Then you have just beyond that. I want to hear
all the different segments.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
There was fing fact, there is h fing fact fat
uh zig or zig. There was z shift. Then there
was h home you could use all the other letters
for that you have and I'm probably missing one. Yeah,
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that's you'd have there, and there was probably a couple others.
Then there was a there would be what was this,
There was a fast one, like a fast motion. We
started doing that. So let's bet Mike McDaniel with like McDaniel,
there there'd be the fast it's like a rabbit zing
or there. There's there are certain buzzwords for that. If
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I heard it, I would I'd be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What other like chapters outside of like movements, so we
got personal formation protection concepts, snapcount splits, movements.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Movements, and motions.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Motions, So there is like it's a misnomer that there's
actual plays in the playbooks rather than you go concepts
and then concepts, then concepts and routes.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So then you'd have you'd have every single route, you know,
like a go route, a in cut. Then there's there
was the fourteen yard incut, the twelve yard incut, the
twenty yard in cut. There was you know, there was
the stopper route, which is a twenty five yard like
comeback but you break you open in and come back
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down the line. There was a comeback at sixteen, There
was a comeback at fourteen. There is a ten yard out,
there was a five yard out, or you know, six
to twelve you usually uh, you know, you have your
slot routes, which were you know, then there's tosser to
two slants. There's hook, which is a three man concept.
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The three has the hook, the two has the diagonal
with something that you always see. And the guy has
an m R which is must outside release, go on
the outside there. I mean, we're going off to just
the knowledge of my brain, and you know, a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Of knowledge, baby, I mean, how see, I'm always curious
going back to a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Like some of these oftens don't don't id the mic
is crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think a lot of them do. It's just who
depending on who's identifying the mic, it's either sometimes it's
the center and a lot of systems, right, like a
lot of the younger quarterbacks in the West Coast systems
from what I've been told, right what I heard, the
center makes the call.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
But then and then you hear some of these ones
where like I mean, of course the Patriots or the
outlier here and what you know more than anybody, But
like how simplistic are some of these offens? Like you
know what I mean, you hear some of these where
like a guy comes from like a really simple system,
and it's like, how different is that from like the
most simple NFL on to.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I would say simpler offenses are just offenses that don't
try to get into the right play and call a
play and run that play and there's no there's no
adapt to adaptation to that play according to what the
defense is doing, which do exist.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
In their twenty twenty six in the NFL, which do exist. Okay,
that's crazy, I.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Mean, isn't that the whole thing with the Patriots offense?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But sometimes when you got guys, so that that's the
fine line, right when you got guys, what you what
a coach's job is to do is to make the
player play as fast as you can. And sometimes when
you flood the guy's minds with too much, then they're
thinking they're not going to be able to totally. So
you know, it's harder to get a lot of these
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complex advantages and complexities of change during play, during pre snap,
during post snap, because a lot you know, then a
lot of guys got to be on the same page
at the same time, and sometimes a lot of teams
don't have the luxury of that guy gets hurt, young
guys on offense, young quarterback can't.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Get it all like that. That that's very hard to do, right,
So personnel is going to dictate so much of that
personnel dictates what you can do. That makes subtal sense.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Was there a specific player concept when you first started?
That just fried your brain? It just couldn't. It was
the hardest one to grasp.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They used to have this thing called the wiggle route,
and I used to hate it, and West was really
good at it. The wiggle route was like in a
West Coast system. It's called like the basic. The basic
is they do like, but it was different than the basic.
The basic is like a twelve yard incut. It's usually
the slot guy runs a twelve yard speed incut and
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he goes well. The wiggle route was kind of like
that ten to twelve yard incut, and you could but
a verse man. You had to break it down and
give him something at the top and break flat to
downhill if it was one man. If it was cover five,
which is two man. You could run the endcut, but
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if he was walling you off, you could pull it
out all right. And then if it was zone and
it was to Tampa, you would find the zone. So
there was like three different things, and I always struggled
on like the Cover five one. I don't know because
I always wanted to whip it out, but if you
could win in, you could keep it going. And there's
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a lot of indecision and that's the worst thing for
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
To see in a route, So you you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So you had three, and you know it took me
time to like figure out how to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So the wiggle route, oh wiggle.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And then there was like the Q route, which was
kind of like the outside version, which the old Q was.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
If it was rolled rolled meaning covered two.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You had this guy was letting you go, and there's
a half field safety you run, you know, you run
the bow route where you get inside, you reset your
your vertical stem to about fourteen, and then you hit
a high seven and let the quarterback flatten you in
between the half field safety and the the flat zone
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defender right versus Cover three. It was like a I
think it was like a curral route and then if
it was man. If it was man, you uh press,
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you had to get inside and then you'd run and
then you'd hit like an inside stutter where you could
take it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
It's almost like a post corner.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It was just it was the same kind of three
routes with in one route according to coverage. And it
was before like I was comfortable reading coverage post now.
I mean I was always actually pretty good at reading coverage.
It was just the running of the route from me
and and being able to make them all look the
same and not dictating because like these dbs man that
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they're they know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
They're bullshit readers, but they could read it. Yeah you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
They could feel if you're if you're hesitating at something,
they feel it and they break and they make the plays.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
They're they're they're extraordinary athletes.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Was there a moment where you feel like it clicked
or like when you felt like I can actually use
my physicality versus my like became instinct versus like thinking
through it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean I would say after like my third my
third my third year, like it was just clicking in
spurts kind of like my golf.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And then by by the year three, you know, I
had enough, I had enough reps of actual feeling it
in practice. Uh, you know, doing it an offseason with
Tom the you know, the amount of reps that I
had at that point helped me because I felt every
situation at that point, you.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Weren't topping the ball or slicing that thing in the wood. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And I got one last question this year anything.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I think to Kyler's last question, the quick follow, but like,
at what point not only were you grasping that thing?
Were you and Tom like mind melded like full his
brain's my brain, Like we're seeing the.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Field the exact till like probably year five.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Okay, that's never figured some war or five when Welker
left right with.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Those extra first team route.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that and it was you know, he had to
start trusting me. It's hard for those guys to you know,
when when when you have a guy, when you're a quarterback,
you know, in regardless water flows downhill, water flows downhill.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
One other one guy, I swear I was trying to
look this up over here. I swear I remember maybe
on my mind's playing tricks on me. I swear someone
on the Patriots left their playbook at the hotel on
the road in like a preseason game against.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I was just gonna ask what penalty that could be?
Conduct detrimental? That could be like a thirty five thousand.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Wow, yeah, because you bring on the road with you, right,
oh yeah, and but that thing.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But when you're in, when you're like now with the
iPads and stuff, when do they switch to the iPad?
I want to say, like my fourth year okay, so
oh wow, yeah, third fourth year micro soft surface.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But the thing is.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
With the iPads, they have more power the team. So
they would collect iPad like during camp and ship. They
would collect the iPads after games or during games, you
know what I mean. They would collect there would be
a fucking big ass like home thing and you'd have
to go and turn your iPad, and you know, there'd
be a coach coming to a you don't you turn
your iPad?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And they can update stuff better update or they could
just wipe you. They can also keep track of how
much you're using.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
They keep track of how much you're using. Can you
go to like websites and stuff on it or no? No,
it's pretty long. I mean, my boy Jared had my ship, I.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Had my.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Jahout out angry birds on there. No, No, I just
you know what what jail broke was me being able
to look at the news there like the fact that
I can.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Look at the news. We couldn't even get on Google.
You'd be there getting on news and like oh shit, hell.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, get to see some articles just reading keeping up
with the world.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Baby, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And one last question, So you were quarterback in college
do you? And then so now though the playbook with
the iPads, it's so awesome because you could go through
all your thing and then you could see it and
you could press a button and see an example of
the play.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Against the footage.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's cool. So yeah, it's a little bit more of
like a multi media experience.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's insane now you have it all on your iPad.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
So you were a quarterback in college, do you remember,
like remember a specifically complicated play from your time in case?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No, I've been trying to do that and I remember,
like I don't remember the play calling, but it was
a West Coast so there was like eighty four i'd
have a protection or seventy three or i'd have a
sixties or sixties, seventies and eighties eighties were like I
was fully protected and there'd be some like kind of
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get open, why shallow look. It was like a West
Coast spread. I've really I gotta I gotta call up
old Dougie Fresh. Should get him on the show, Doug Martin,
I should shout out, we should.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think he's at Elon right now.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Let's go, baby, Let's make a trip down. Let's go
over to Burlington, North Caroline.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
His wife's she she used to kill it in the
real estate world.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Oh killing it. He's probably running Burlington right now. Probably,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You don't remember like a play call, like you, I
just remember. I remember the concept. I remember my favorite
concept was poker. I don't remember like because dude, after
here and all, it just get gets wiped because I've
heard and then I remember doing that. But like because
early in my my uh, early in my career, the
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protections were messing with me. Because seventies we used to
have a thing called scat protection where it's five man
protection only, and that was the same as like you're
your your seventies protection. So like I had a lot
of that or eighties was the same as my sixties
in college.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So then I kind of wipe it. Yeah, you know
what I mean, You give us a quick.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
John Gruden esque Blake call. I don't really from the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
From the Patriots. You could go like sub home home
to fing home home.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It could be home f right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Fing right one thirty four, f bow ice, alert ride
one thirty or alert thirty four gap or or something,
or you could there. The thing is, it gets wordy
when you would get like two or three play calls.
So all you got to do is say two fucking
plays it's alert and so and the root. By the
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time you're in it, you can just when I hear
the play call, when Tom would say I heard, I
would hear the protection, I'd hear the concept, and then
there'd be a couple of buzzwords. You know you're sitting
you know you're sitting in the huddle all year. All right,
all right, fingerl right, I got a thing, right, you
know what I mean. No, that's when you're like and
how to say the play would be in the playbook,
you know what I mean? Like right there home, what
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I say, I told you the h started out home
to f right, So wherever he is, he's we got
to get to F right, which is the formation, and
then fing telling me to fing in ride one thirty four,
which is the protection play action f bow ice alert
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ride one thirty or alert thirty four alerting to just
the run if it was two safeties. You know, I mean,
I'm not a fucking I was never like a I
mean you know, I was never like you hear all
these backup quarterbacks like Dog and or Lawski, like those
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guys they could recite their whole thing because they were
communicating it, you know what I mean. When and I
remember that struggle from when I turned to quarterback to receiver.
Hearing a play was different than saying the play. Like
it took me a while to learn how to hear
the play and know what to do then when I
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used to when you say the play, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Oh, for sure it is.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's so stupid for me, But I mean the backup
quarterbacks they were always like they had to know everything.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, and they're getting mental reps like crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
They're getting mental reps. Slant with a clipboard your hand.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and once you get out.
I mean, if I were to go back for Like,
that's why I love going back. You know, you go
to the Patriots, you can go to their meeting like
they let me come and sit in on their meetings,
or Abel let me sit in or whoever whoever the
coaches were at the time. They've gotten to sit in
on all of them. That's when it refreshes, you know
(37:00):
what I mean, It's all okay, now they're doing this,
you know, and Josh getting to sit in Josh meetings McDaniels.
You know, I could a lot. You could see where
the play callings evolved because now that they're making them
less worthy and they're having buzz words tell like a
lot of guys what to do. So there it could
(37:21):
be like only three words, but those three words could
be protection.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Concept evolutions got to be crazy. Yeah, And then.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We'd have like a NASCAR package in the playbook where
it would be that or one one word would tell
just everything. So that would be a lot of the things.
When we were installing, like weekly, the coaches would say,
you know, all right, we're going to do these four
NASCAR plays and they'd break them in. We'd only do
it for like those three days or two days and
(37:50):
then they they would say, all right, we're atting four
more NASCAR plays, so they'd expect you to you have
to already know those ones. And so you're at eight
by the week, you know, day five, and then after
day seven they'd give you four more NASCAR plays. So
you're building your book. You're building you know that. That's
how they would install it, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So just for the audience, NASCAR is like a hurry up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
NASCAR would be no huddle, and then the play calls
like one word and you have to know one word everyone.
What's a like? Jordan was like a jan isn't Barkley
one too? Barkley was h it was Barkley. Barkley was
Charlie Sheen. So the Charlie Charlie program was a certain protection.
(38:37):
So we we had Charlie Sheen, We had Charles Barkley,
I love it, Yeah, which was stopper, you know, on
the outside. He was the best stopper of all time.
We have Jordan. We had Alli, which was those were
our like go tos that we could always run. It
was a fundamental play. It was empty right uh or
(39:00):
Bonzi right, haas z Juke, which is you know, haas
and then the Z has a juke route. Jordan would
be to the right, Allie would be the same play
on the left. You know, you'd have Jordan, and then
there'd be like, uh man, I'm gonna get exposed for
(39:20):
not knowing my play.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
And like this is like you guys were lining up
or like you're going from your running.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Up Jordan Jordan, Jordan, here Tommy tom Like Jordan Jordan, Nascar,
Nascar Jordan.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Everyone get the line of scrimmage. Everyone know what to do.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
So like someone like Ray Lewis that might have a
lot of experience against you, guys might have some film,
might have some tape on like some of these Nascar
plays could Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But if you're going fast, they can know what you're doing.
You still got to execute, still got to execute.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That was my thing.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
You could go Jordan, he could go Jordan Jordan, and
we'd all set up in Bonzi and then he could
sit out there and look at us and give us hook.
He could and we all have to and if he
goes like that, then it changed all three of us
what to do. There was nonverbal coms or you can
go say. What you could do is we call a
play in the huddle, and you can go xerox, xerox,
(40:11):
xerox and xerox meant same exact, same exact formation. And
there was no play making copies, and so you're making
copies and you could sit there and there'd be no places,
and then all of a sudden he would get us
into a play based off of how they line up.
That was called the molasses that would be in the
pre pre there would be a pre snap, a pre
(40:33):
snap menu which motions and all that cadence molasses was.
There was no play call momo. So he could sit there,
all right, it's on MO, it's on MO. You had
you had to hear gold, gold color or like the
buzz color for the play to be in. So he
could sit up there, and this is how you try
to get the defense, you know, kind of show what
(40:55):
they were doing there, White twenty, why twenty hot, hot,
hurt heart like eighty eight by eight. So sometimes and
then you go gold thirty gold tells everyone plays on go.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So even on those like hard costs, there might not
even be a play call.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's just let's see what you got, let's see what
you We're just trying to get a tell out of
the defense that happening again, I mean, depending on the
defense you were playing, who's a disguised defense man?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
If John Gruden just heard you do that, oh the
hair on the back of the stand?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Why put how I.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Mean call, they wouldn't know. But how often do you
think like McDaniels is in Brady's ears.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
In there until fifteen seconds? So you do that a
lot of the NASCAR. So that's why that's it. That's
so you when you when you gotta say you have
a really good defensive line. And what NASCAR would do
is NASCAR if you you could run out of sub
which is three receivers, or you could run it out
(42:03):
of regular, but that's hard because then you got guys
going in different spots. Right, So when you have a
good defensive line, fast guys, NASCAR, what it does is
it doesn't allow them to substitute, which is huge.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So and you can go fast.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
And so if you get to the line of scrimmage,
you get to the line of scrimmage with the most
time as you possibly can, then Tom and Josh can
communicate until fifteen So as soon as the other play's done,
the forty clock starts.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
That's a lot of time to talk.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Forty clock starts right, So if you're done, say it's
a long play downfield, then everyone gets to the line
of scrimmage. You got you use your NASCAR term. All right,
we're going Jordan, all right, we're going with Charles Barkley,
Charles Barkley. Everyone gets into Charles Barkley. You're there with
twenty eight seconds. You got fourteen seconds if you got
there in ten seconds, or twelve seconds. If you get
(42:56):
everyone gets the line scrimmage by fifteen seconds, you got
ten twelve seconds to communicate with Josh. So then they
could sit there. Tom can't talk to him, but he
can hear them, you know. So then then we used
to do like muddle huddles. Muddle huddle is kind of
like a fast huddle where we're not getting back to
the huddle. We're kind of getting back and we're getting
near the line of scrimmage and we're yelling out NASCAR terms,
(43:19):
but it's not Nascar. Nascar means we're going fast. Yeah,
so muddle huddle is different than NASCAR. That would be
in the pre pre it's so it'd be so crazy.
The gold turn you have, like the buzz terms and
Black eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Black eighty eight would be on three full masterclass.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Right now, you're saying the kids that Phillips and over
with Earnie.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Your fucked no good coaches. They know to simplify.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Good coaches simplify, And a lot of the evaluation of
training camp is to try to get guys to be
anxious about how much there is, to see how much
they can they can handle and see that hey, you
don't have to know all this where if you listen
to the coaching staff that you know, this is what
we're gonna go over learn those you know what I mean.
(44:07):
It's all part of everything, the evaluation process of how
you're building your team.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
But like to go back to what we said earlier,
it's all about like personnel dictates so much of this.
Like when you got when it was you and Dolan
gronking Jojo and it was just clicking and you guys
could go no huddle so often.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Oh that was the best.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
That was like the strength of you know, with Chris
Hogan and Malcolm Mitchell and Dola, Like we weren't like
the most explosive group, but the strength of that team
was the smartness, like the.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Everyone's a saying everyone was smarts.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
The beauty of the Aarhart Perkins is when everyone's got.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It, everyone's everyone was on the same page at all times.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
That was the best to watch. Oh god, I loved it. Man.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That was awesome. Guys, keep keep u people leave comments
on YouTube. Maybe maybe we'll get a whiteboard and like
pick up a pick a playof I gotta get my playbook.
I have playbooks, so maybe we should just expose it.
Oh fire, let's go.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Speaking of exposing in playbooks, I always think back to that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Uh when you remember when.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Chris uh, Chris Cooley got in trouble in the early
days of like instagram, he took a picture was like
in the preseason, like cracking open the playbook and he
was studying the playbook naked, so you could see like
the typically in the Instagram pictured.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Like three like penis related.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, Chris cool while keeping on those igels, who's Chris Cooley?
Speaker 4 (45:29):
He was a tight end sat for a little while.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
I remember he was actually a good place. Yeah yeah,
I don't know why. That's in my taking up space
in my brain.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Three inch binder.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, that was awesome. That keep sending these We love
pulling back the curtain, man, because.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
That was playbook. But that got into a lot of
different stuff. But I've always want to know how. You
don't answer it, We'll do another time. But like you
guys got to like how you know personnel from the sidelines,
when to go in and how signals.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, with you never, I'd be so bad at that.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
And that goes into like you practice, that's what practice
is for, you know, like all the receivers are in
with the receiver coach on the sideline, all the running
backs are with the running backs, and you have to
practice those things. Your communication coming in the field, with
your signal. There were certain signals half hat, your sub army, army,
(46:23):
we all had signals at receiver which probably change, uh,
you know, but you have.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
To cycle through anything that's gonna be on tape, signals
and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
But like it didn't really change that often really, So
like one of those things like that's our best shot,
man against man, we're gonna beat you.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, yeah, I don't know the personnel group
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