Kyle Van Noy on his TWO TOUCHDOWN Game | 2012 Poinsettia Bowl | BYU vs. SDSU - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
December twentieth, twenty twelve, Qualcomm Stadium, San Diego, California, oh.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Mountain West Bows face off in a game named after
a flower.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
But Kyle van Noi was the one deserving a bow ka.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
This is the twenty twelve point Settle Bowl.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian, They're Jack and Kyler,
and we're on a mission to finding the greatest game
of all time. And boy do we have a great
episode coming out today. We have two times Super Bowl champion,
my former teammate, twelve year NFL VET hoping to be
thirteen fign This man Totam could be thirteen.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Kyle van noy And if you haven't all ready, Eddy,
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Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
What What? I'm excited to see you. I haven't seen
you in five years. It's kind of like you're an
adult now?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Am I an adult? Yeah? What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I was an adult?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
When you know you weren't?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
The weren't You could call anyone from the training room
and ask him if you were an adult, and I
guarantee you they'd be like, no.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
What do you mean you know what I mean? You
should do that. By the way, you got rubbed down
twice a day.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, that's a professional taking care of your body. What
did Bill preach the most?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Now? The question Bill, the question is.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Nothing is more important than the health of this football team.
And I took that to heart. Did you tip them
at the end of the year? Did you get them anything?
So I could call the book the Dolan brothers who
used to pay Dolans?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
You did? Are you sure.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Called the team?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Could it's on the team? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
You you just wrote it on the like the team sheet. Okay,
I give like ten grand every year or whatever, you know,
like specify who it went to to everyone?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
No, actually I would, And then I would tip my
ball boys.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah you better.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
They were there every day with the judge every respect
the tennis ball excuse me, I remember that I liked.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
And then I always have like a trainer combine to
see who could throw, because I used to have double j's.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You weren't around with double j's. He who got axed? Yeah? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
And then we had Bobby Balls and then Jimmy Neutron.
So I always had to find the guy that could
throw because I liked throwing. I liked catching a guy
that could throw the ball because it's not as predictable.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Did you ever have what's the dude's name that took
over the uh in the equipment staff.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
He's no longer there. Yeah, now, yeah, you could throw.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
But he would do tennis balls for me every once
in a while, early when I was in that stage
of finding someone after Double J's new tried. He had
a great attitude, great effort, but some guys just can't throw.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, he was too stressed out for everything else. Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean I remember New Knew was there since
he was like thirteen. Oh wow, Like and you know
his grandpa was Murph m the old the old guy.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I didn't know that. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
So we had two old guys that would clean up
after us, like they were like the janitors, like straight
like Irish old Boston guy. There's one guy named Murph
and there was one guy named George, and they didn't
like each other, and they were like eighty five years old.
There was like four times where we had to like
Randy would have to bring Randy Moss broke them up

(03:49):
from fighting once and like.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
These guys are like old like sailors and shit.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean it was fucking crazy. You weren't around with
George left by then, but you were a murph.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I got there the year whoever the guy made the
mistake of like with the balls, I got there right
after the twenty sixteen when Tom was gone for the
first four games, and then I was traded that year
like week five or whatever it was.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, let's get into that way to let's let's start
this podcast. We'll get into that. We'll get that, all right,
Welcome to Games with Names. Today, we are looking at
the twenty twelve point settable b YU versus San Diego
State with Kyle van Noy In one sentence, KI, why

(04:40):
this game?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
This is the game that put me on the map, Jules.
This is where it was like, I'm I'm ready, I'm him.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Emmy Timmothy, you're Timothy Timothy shallow May.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes, sir, Hey, he's crushing, by the way he is.
Are you a ballet guy? I do?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Are you in?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Be careful?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
No? I love well ballet for a receiver? Is this
the greatest game of all time? Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
My greatest game of all time? Well, all right, perfect?
I can't wait to get into it. But back to
the ballet. When I was a young football player, there
was like lore that Jerry Rice used to do ballet
for his flexibility and his route running and so and
then I've over my years, I've met a lot of

(05:31):
ballerina like ballet people and ship and I know a
couple of ballerinas and like my respect for their athleticism
and like their foot dexterity and their ankle and their
feet strength. Because I had four feet surgeries, I always
consulted with ballerinas because I wanted to strengthen my feet.
Remember I had feet bro. So like I've always been

(05:54):
die hard with the ballerina Community's a ballerina, we're not
going to go They're not gonna go down that road.
So how we doing, bro doing?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Blessed man? I'm doing good. I think it's been what
five years since I've seen you four four or five years.
It's been since we probably played against each other.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I mean, you're an A list celebrity. Now we
got a good podcast here in the nuthouse. All right, Bubs,
you're doing good man.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
You know I'm so proud of you because, you know,
we were talking earlier when you came in. You were
in like your third year in the league, kind of
in like a crossroads of your career, getting traded to
the Patriots, and then I remember, you know, I've been
on TV now for four years, five years and just
talking about you and seeing you know, you're you play

(06:51):
the game that you've always played with your versatility, your mind,
being in the right spot at the right time, being
a good teammate, covering for other guys when they're out
a position which got to go down and watch the
same shit when we watched this twenty twelve point sedable.
It's been fun to watch you man, and you're still
in it and I have so much respect. Thirty five

(07:12):
free age right now, looking to play again.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, let's get it one more, one more? Yeah, I
need it. Lest Yer didn't go how I wanted, but
thank you. Introduction awesome. When I had the when I
was coming here, it was like flashbacks of all the
stories that I have with you. One comes to mind
that I've never I don't think i've ever talked about it.

(07:36):
You probably remember it or you don't, because you know
you can be forgetful sometimes, but it was it was
I just got on the team. It had been like
three weeks probably since I've been on the team. I
still don't know everybody's name, you know, I don't know
the inner workings like you know who. Yeah, I was

(07:57):
still laid back. Chill didn't really come out out of
my show yet. And I'm covering James White because during
seven on seven, remember it was either a zone day
or a Manda Man day, and then it would go
into practice and practice was like a Manda Man day
and Jules, I know he'll probably deny this, but he
did it on purpose. I had James White Manda Man

(08:19):
and I wasn't looking and this dude comes and clocks
me cheap shots right straight bow like like I couldn't.
I was one of those where I like didn't see you,
and it was like when you're on the ground, everyone's.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Like, was that your first day there?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
It was it would have to be like the first week.
It was the first week, work week or two.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
And I had a shallow cross.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Hold on let me finish, let me finish, And I'm
like the trainers come over and they're like, I'm like
giving They're like, how are you doing? You know, the
sound like you're trying. I'm trying to breathe, And so
I lift my ass up and go on the sideline
and I'm like, who the who the fuck was that,
you know, and everybody's like pointing out jewels and jewels

(09:08):
just like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and I'm like, well,
I can't do anything to jewels because it was like
if I'm touching a golden child, you know, right in
the first week or two, you know that isn't gonna
go well. But I never got you back, and so
when we played you in twenty twenty, it was all
I could think about when I was on Miami. But

(09:30):
during the game, I was like, I gotta get jewels
back because I broke my hand like a week before
we played you, and I didn't even care. I was like,
I need to get jewels back to get my get back,
and I never did, and I'm still I'm still like
pissed off about it that I never got you. And
you know who what else is Steve Belichick who's now

(09:53):
the DC at North Carolina. I know everybody probably knows that,
but just want to make reference. He called me in
the last year in the summertime, he was with Jamie
Collins because they're coaching together, and he reminded me of
this play.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know, Kyle. That was just a little baptism of well, yeah, okay,
that that is actual part of the route design. If
I have the shallow cross and I am one yard
to the line of scrimmage, I am allowed to pick you.
And that was what exactly what I was doing. Because

(10:30):
what does practice execution become here he goes, it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Becomes game reality. Yellow shirt you always wore, you're saying, you.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Know, Kent State, a guy like you who came from
BYU would understand why I wore that. And the representation
of that yellow shirt. The representation of that yellow shirt
was the chip on my shoulder to allow guys from Alabama,
from Florida, from Florida State, from Rutgers that you guys

(11:01):
can go wherever you want. I went to Cash State
and I'm at that same fucking level.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Talk to him. How you doing. I'm good?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
But here's the rebuttal to that. I want to say,
you try to do that on purpose because I've been
waiting to get all these stories out, because there's one
that comes and I can't wait till he comes on
your pod. I don't think he's been on yet. Stefan Gilmour, Yeah,
I've been waiting to tell this story. One of my favorites,

(11:31):
Jewles was pissed. I don't care what he says. He
can try to say whatever. He was pissed that there
was another Golden child that Bill loved, but it was
on defense. Paid Steph a shit ton of money, well deserved.
He was the best corner in the game at that time,
well deserved. But I know Jewles was trying to get

(11:52):
a little contract extension in there and was a little
mad about it. So it was during OTA's and Jewles
trying to show them the Patriot way. I guess, all
of a sudden, it's it's quiet, but then all of
a sudden, no one's saying anything.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You just hear it's Jules and Steph in the corner, thrown.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Throwing each other like left and right, throwing haymakers at
each other because they were getting a little fight.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I don't know who was it was.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
It was a first a pads.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I don't know who won, but I took a dread
out you did, I got a dread you don't remember
I taped it.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't. No, no, no, I didn't. That's hilarious you
did that.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
But it just made me laugh because it was Jules
yep right here.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, if you look at that photo, who do
you think had the upper hand? Well, no one.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I'm just saying no one.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But what I respect about this fight, Jules is no
one from either side jumped in.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It was like a mono emano and I love that.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And it was see at the end, you know, they
guys coming in late, but everybody was so tired already,
nobody had time to run. There's your boy new in there,
who can't. Yeah, but that was a great I thought
it was evenly matched. I thought it was a good fight.
I don't know who won, but I mean, from the
looks of it, you of course yeah, we got We

(13:18):
don't have video evidence.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think we do. I think there is practice video evidence.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
But I am excited to hear steph side of the
story to this whenever it gets told.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I know exactly. So we're playing one on We're doing
one on ones in the red area from your point
of view, red area, and we got two routes. This
guy's playing three yards outside. He knows that I'm in
the slot, that I got to run the goddamn flag route.
So he's sitting there grabbing on the shoulder. First day.
We all know, this is first day of pads with

(13:49):
Gilly when he was in Buffalo holding all day long,
getting routed up on the post corner at least twice
a year for like two three years. We come over
a little you know, maybe there's a little something built up,
and you know, I had to let him know this
how we practiced.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
But did he put the straps? Well?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Shout out to Gilly, just.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
What a hell of a career we had.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Brandon Boulden on the show and he speculated that jewels
sometimes would fight on purpose to get a break from practice.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, did you get kicked out of this?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, smart. We were tired already. We both going and
I think we went in the locker room and we're
just sitting there in our lockersgg each other. No, No,
I think it was like you're good. He's like, yeah,
I'm good. It was just like it was all done nice.
That's funny, man.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
So, uh, explain to us how it was getting traded
from Detroit at that time? Was Detroit that we all remember. Yeah,
it wasn't the Detroit of today where they're, you know,
a pretty good organization. Explain to us how it was
going from Detroit to you come to our team. We're
one of the hottest teams in the league at that time.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
It was going from like rags to riches, drags the riches.
It really was for me from a place where you know,
a coach, I'll never forget it. I had my position
coach tell me to my face for the two years
that I was there, I think you're a really good
football player, Like I think you're going to be really

(15:27):
successful in this league. I just don't think they know
where to put you. And I was like, damn, like
you drafted me second round pick. You got me looking
out like I'm a slap dick player. Like you know,
I personally lost confidence, I would say, and myself during
that time. It was kind of a depressing situation for me,

(15:50):
just because you know, you put so much effort and energy,
had a great, successful college career, then you get drafted
to a place where you know, they were growing with
Jim Caldwell, who you know. I still feel like they
did dirty in the NFL he went to the playoffs
two out of his three years and got fired and

(16:10):
never got a chance again. I think that's crazy, but
that's how it works. And he really loved me because
they drafted my teammate the year before, Ziggiyonsa. He went
top three pick I think he went two overall and
they all and the GM Martin Mayhew, who I believe
works for the Commanders. I still text him every year, like,

(16:33):
appreciate you always picking of me, and he's, you know,
we still have a good relationship, which is awesome. And
he watched so much film on Ziggie that I kept
coming up on the film. So he kind of fell
in love with me the year before and he said
if I ever got a chance, like, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
To pick you. Well.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Fast forward, we were supposed to go to a three
four defense because they traded for Hullodinada, So it's going
to be on me on one side, Ziggy on one
side rushing, and Helodi in the middle, and then everything
else was gonna figure out.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
They were super successful in year one. We went to
the playoffs, ended up losing to the bullshit called down
in Dallas with the face guarding. We were up seventeen
zero came back and beat us. That sucked, but it
was a great opportunity because it got to play a
little bit in that game. And so it was just
a rough injuries, you know, a coach telling me, we

(17:31):
don't know where to put you.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
They didn't know where to put me.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
At inside linebacker who I was behind Steven Tulluk who
played ten years in the league, very successful, and DeAndre
Levy all Pro beard man, awesome football player, and then
rushing vis I was behind Ziggy Jonathan Jones and a
couple other guys on the edge and just never worked
out for me.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
And then getting traded.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I was like, I was actually pissed because I was
finally starting off the ball and I was playing good.
I felt like I was trending upward and to the
point where I was playing good enough to get traded
and Bill, you know, it was crazy. I got traded,
ended up flying in late that night, twelve had to

(18:19):
get up at five. Of course, the first person in
the building was Tom.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
The famous story I've told all the time is, you know,
we both took a piss and we're like washing our
hands and not saying anything. It's like five thirty in
the morning, you're not trying to talk to nobody yet.
And you know, after he gets done, obviously you know,
washes his hands, wipes hands on the towels or whatever,
and then you know, Hi, my name is Tom Brady,
and I'm like, yeah, no shit, like we.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
All know who you are.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
But like it grew my respect for him, just because
it was like, Wow, this dude took his time out
of his day in the morning where it's quiet, no
one's around to introduce him to himself. To me, like, hey,
just showing you his character and who is as a person.

(19:04):
It meant a lot to me. And then I didn't
talk to Bill until practice. Like I got thrown right
into Brian Flores's meeting. I had to meet with him
early to get the defense because it was like a
Wednesday practice, Like I got thrown into the wolves like
i'd been there because it was a machine at that point,

(19:25):
like it was like you're coming on to the rider.
And then when I started to figure out, everybody was like,
why did we just trade for this dude?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And then that week Jamie Collins gets traded and everybody's
like hated me because everybody was boys with Jamie Collins.
I still tell his you know, dev all them, you know,
those are like brothers now. But they were all pissed
at me hiding and talk to anyone for like two
weeks High Towered because everybody was out. You know, this

(19:56):
dude got our boy traded in all reality there to pick.
You know, they traded Chandler Jones. They had to trade
Jamie and then they ended up giving money to High.
He was a franchise, so you had to make a decision.
At that time. The cap wasn't what it is now
where you have Houston who just gave two edges, you know,
thirty percent of their cap, so that that wasn't happening

(20:19):
during that time. So everybody hated me, like this dude
got her boy traded. And I was like I don't care,
like I don't know anybody who cares. Like it's a
brand new fresh start for me. And the first practice
went actually really well. But it's funny. The first practice
they throw me out there, and of course it was

(20:40):
seven on seven Mandrill and it was like a setup
because they wanted to see if I wanted to if
I could guard, because you know, I was a tweener didn't.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
And that's why Bill got mad at me for lighting
you up. Yeah whatever, that was like a week you
wanted to evaluate you.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick breakways.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
James White down the sideline, I'm one on one. Brady
throws a bullet and I'm like I'm there whatever, and
I was like this dude like gives me a nod
like yes. I was like, oh, so this morning was
a setup, Like you just introduced yourself so you could
pick on me later. So I was like fuck you then.

(21:22):
But that was like my first practice and I just
still haven't talked to Bill, And it wasn't until like
halfway through the practice. They do like the the special
teams in the middle of the practice and it was
punt and he was all Vanoyd, come over here, and
I ran over there like a slap dick to him
and I was like, hey, coach, you know how you

(21:43):
doing And he was like, hey, bro, like you know,
I always get my guys and was spinning his whistle.
And when he said that he didn't know what I
was going through, didn't know what I just went through.
So to have a coach who's the great Gates defensive coach.
Greatest coach ever to say that to you. The confidence

(22:05):
that gave me was like, oh, I'm ready, I got this.
This dude already believes in me, doesn't know me, you know,
just knows me from college tape and all that. And
after you know, practice, you do the what is it
with the y?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah? Basic? There we go. Basic, basic.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And it was against Jimmy g and I had a
pick and you know, I picked off Jimmy and threw
it back to him, and they're like, oh, he's got
some ship to him. And so I was kind of
like my welcome to the Patriots moment. And then another
one came from Jules within the same week.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think it was that day. Yeah, and because I
remember Bill getting mad because he was probably trying to
evaluate see what you could do going into that week's game. Yeah,
you know what I mean, That's what he would always
do when he traded for a player, Like I remember
when we traded for a key, like I'd have to
stay after run routes against the keep because A they
were trying to get him in shape. B they were
trying to see what he could do. Yeah, you know,

(23:04):
so like it was always that kind of ship. But
who was like the guy you latched on, who was
one of the first dudes to like welcome you in
to like you boyed up with.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
That's a great question. I don't think it was. Yeah, well,
it eventually came to brother Slay. I think everybody does, right.
That's like the chaplain. That was the chaplain, the team therapist,
the coach, he was everything all in one love Slate.
I think it was high Tower. And I say that

(23:36):
to say because I didn't want to disappoint him because
of the situation that happened with his brother tweet with
Jamie Collins, and I just didn't want to be the problem, like, hey,
like you know, I want to learn the defense as

(23:56):
fast as possible, so I don't have to lean on you,
don't have to talk to you. I can line up,
you can line up, and we can just play and
feed off each other. And so I think it was
during that time where we became close was we were
playing video games and we ended the.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Game Fortnite shout out Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, yeah, it was, And that's when we just became
really close and we would play Fortnite all the time.
And I think That's why our communication became elite. It
was like I didn't have to think what he was doing.
He didn't have to think what I was doing because
we already knew. It was like we had a built
in chemistry that just happened really quick, and then it

(24:38):
just took off from there for the four years that
we were together.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, you guys probably you know Paradise Valley, drop in
the tower, Yeah, were towers.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
You guys, corner you guys clear corners. Together, you guys
are gonna be better on the field.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
So what was High like in the room?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Quiet? Quiet? Yeah, he was quiet. He wasn't a morning person.
Neither was I I was. I think he was just
built to play football. If there is a when I
think of a football player who like, I don't think.
I think later in his career he started like working
out more, but like being able to just show up

(25:18):
and just the injuries he had over his career to
show up and just play football and play smash mouth football.
Because at that time we played even front so it
was two three texts from tackles and then why nines
and then me and him would take turns on playing noseguard.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
But I was like, hey, hi, like you know, I'll.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Cover the running back of you if he smashed the center.
So it was just like we called a ball and
chain and he would just torpedo his ass in there
and blow shit up.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
And oh my gosh. Yeah, especially when you guys were young.
Oh the I always talk about the half half of
half line. Oh my gosh, because you're playing the Studs
versus Studs.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Shack and Tony, those who those are the guards. I
had to go to.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
And talk to us how good Tuny is because I mean,
this guy.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Hall of famer.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think he's he's like the most underrated O lineman
probably of this generation. I mean he's the most successful one.
Everywhere he goes, he turns that O line into a
top ten O line.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
What makes him so good?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I think it's being technically sound. I think it's obviously
being smart. He's not overly physical, but it's just his
technique is so good and very smart. His passing wrong,
he's strong, and then he's so smart that he can
help other people where like like hey, hey you you

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take him, You take him and during the play and
then pop out to a tackle that might be losing
and and then nick them just in time to get
the ball out. I just think there's stuff that he
does that goes unnoticed. Obviously a lot of the O
lineman and the lego unnoticed, but he does the little
intricacy things of being an old lineman.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
So elite to where like you gotta have him on
your O line. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
He's a monster and he can play any position, any position.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
He got let out to dry in that Kansas City
game playing left tackle.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I mean we did it to him too though in
New England he played left tackle for US for a
couple Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
But when you're getting paid that much money, hey.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
And you're playing in important games every game of your career. Yeah,
that's the cool thing.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I mean, he got four Super Bowls, he got.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Four super for him and he's on the build up
with Chicago and they look pretty solid.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Now you got to play with two pretty cool defensive coaches.
B Flow Matty P. Give me something about these two.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Hmm, totally different, like totally different mindset.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Maddy P.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Awesome what he's doing with Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's good to see him get back get back to
what he's doing, which is being that scientist in the lab.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
That he can be.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Do you think Sonny Styles is gonna be I think
he's gonna be good because he had Maddy p and
if he can all of.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Them, I think Reese is the one though, out of
all of them, just because the safety.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
No, he's the safe.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, the safety yeah down Yeah, Downs is good too.
And I think Downs is good because he can play
multiple positions kind of like what the safety is going
with the Derwin. I don't think he's athletics like the
maybe he is. I don't watched enough film on him,
but you got the Derwin James, the Kyle Hamilton, the

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Emon war Emon Warry types that are coming into the
league that are playing like safety linebacker.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
It's like Sony Styles kind is because he was a
former safety six foot four.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, he can run, he could run.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, but they all have to be better football players.
I think just because Matty P threw in complex things yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, no, I think that's what makes Matty P so
special in his defenses. So special is because the complex
the I don't even want, I don't know how to
say the word, but multiplicity of things.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't know if it's complex complexity.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, we're over here, trying to act now, yeah, we're
acting smart. But anyways, you could run cover one in
five different ways. And what I loved about being in
New England is Bill and Matty P would give you
the reins to call it like I was able to
have the trust and it was awesome because I was

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able to have it so fast, to the point where
we had to switch calls because you know, I can
talk a little slow sometimes and so I couldn't get
one of it was diamond red, one rat double or
something like that, and I couldn't say it fast at
that time because I was new.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
It was confusing. I think there was more than that
fucking one rat you got somewhere in the middle of
a field. Dublin's were doubling your ass in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Anyways, what was funny about it is like they dev
you know, being the og kind of the dick in
the back would be like, man, get somebody else with
the green dot.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
He can't even talk, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Devs such an ass and Jason's so nice and I
don't know how they're twins.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
What's funny is like Matty P was like, we'll just
call it BYU. So I wonder if they're calling that
Ohio State BYU, and then I struggled with another one,
so they called it Reno because I'm from Reno. So
we had two play calls BYU and Reno. So I
hope he kept.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
That in there for But that's that's that's a good
coach right there, adjusting to the player, getting the best
out of the player, to make him play his fastest.
Now the flow comes in. How's he different? Aggressive blitzing?
He blitzed, doctor blitz the house he created, I want
to say he created like this. Obviously everyone ran cover zero,

(31:18):
but it's just that everyone with the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
everyone at the line where that came from? Who did
it come from? Rex Ryan used to do that a
bunch when we used to play him, and then we
started doing it like a few years later, but and
I'm sure it was before that. But for me, I
remember Rex and we used to struggle because we didn't

(31:39):
know how to block it. We didn't know who was coming.
And that's why we invented the protection where we'd have
three it'd be a sub package, and we'd have the
Rex call where Tom would thumb down, bring a receiver in.
We would pretend like we were coming in to go
out to a pass and we blocked that safety have
fully protected. Only have two man's out, two guys out.

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If you have only two guys out middle of the fields,
why do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
And you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
So a lot of that stuff was when we used
to battle that and then Bill started bringing in a
bunch of guys that that were able to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, and it evolved even more because now it's not
just like fire zone on the back end or Manda Man.
It's like you can play cover two out of it.
You can play all you know, kind of quarters out
of it. He's kind of created into the new monster
that it is now and so it's it's it's been

(32:35):
interesting watching him. He's successful with the Vikings, doing really
well with them. So just two different animals, that's for sure,
and I'm you know, happy that they're both successful.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Heck, yeah, Now, how was it going against Brady every day?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
How? How?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
How much better did that make you a better football player?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I give him so much credit of how it made me.
I call it just made me a man in NFL,
Like it really did. You had to be on your
shit every single day and whatever he was working on,
Like if you weren't on it, he's going after you.
And then he's not stopping like he's gonna really you know,

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I was kind of the guinea pig during the week
when you guys were putting in your new plays, because
you guys ran a lot of empty.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
And you were a new player though that didn't know
our plays. Oh you know what I mean. So sometimes
when you're going against the one defense, Yeah, they're going.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Against these motherfuckers's training. Can they know our seven plays
that we love to run? Yop?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
So I was a guinea pig in empty sets with
James White. James White could run the whole tree. He
could run you know, the slant and go. He could
run you know, a fifteen yard comeback. He got my
He practically broke my ankles on one of those, and
I'm like, damn, Josh McDaniels, can you relax with these?
But it was just you had to be on point

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every single day, not only for Tom, but you didn't
want to get on the low light film. I mean
those low lights were crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
What's a low light film?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I don't know, you tell me.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
It's just so the low light film is after practice
or before the day, coach would have the whole team
in and he would show examples of guys doing good
things that coaches talked about, and then there was examples
of guys not doing the things that coaches specifically talked

(34:33):
about in a specific meeting, and so you know, it
was a way of getting guys to be accountable. It
embarrassed guys to let their teammates in front down in
front of all their other teammates, and it was like
it was a terrible thing. We all were terrified of
the fucking low lights.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But everybody could get it.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's what I was on. Everybody could get often. Did
you show up Not that much? Yeah, not much. I
felt like I just try to do my job.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I was one that you remember that got called a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Uh called a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I don't know. I don't want I don't want to.
I don't want to know anybody out of the bus
specific love light that you remember.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
There's a couple. There's a couple. There's a couple. This
is good. I love this ship. It was one of us.
I think it was Ryan, Sorry, Ryan. I think he
shanked a punt and he would get he would go.
He would lose his mind over the specialists, like special teams.
If there was like a bad snap, a bad hold,

(35:38):
a bad kick, He's like.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You're thinking about it right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
This is what I was gonna say me if we
wanted a ten yard punt, me and Ernie would go
out there and kick the damn ball.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And then you would hear Scar in the back like, no,
you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Because I sat in the back, so it was I
would always hear a Scar who would be like laying
down trying to stay awake. He'd say like, no, you couldn't.
You know all that is hilarious. Another one my all
time favorite. It was Gronk when he got three penalties
because it was the same year. It was the same

(36:25):
year that uh seven eleven Chris Hogan. Chris Hogan had
three penalties, and he ripped Hogan like if you ever
get three penalties, like, oh cut your ass that like
going that crazy, And I was like, damn, I don't
ever want to get three penalties. So Gronk had that
game against Buffalo where he got kicked out because he

(36:47):
gave Trey White a concussion. People's elbow, Yeah, who I
ended up being I ended up being teammates with Trey White,
and I I asked him about He's like.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Man, my hags too hurt from that, but I'll.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Never forget because I was so excited to see if
he was gonna get Gronk that day, because I don't
think I ever saw Gronk get it. I think it
was more earlier in his career that he was on
the low light. So I'm like in the back, like, oh,
today's the day We're gonna find out who's worth three
penalties today. So go through the film and he gets

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to the where he gets kicked out and you know,
talks about him getting fined. I guess for it or
I don't know, yeah, correct, And I think Tom actually
got it to that game for getting into it with
Josh on the sideline that game.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I don't know. Maybe I don't.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Know, but after he like kind of goes over it
real quick. And as soon as the meeting, I stand up.
I was like, we know who's worth three penalties now?
And Gronk was like he was like sweating bullets the
whole meeting, and he was like, well, at least I'm

(38:02):
worth three penalties. I guess, Oh that was funny. There's
some good ones in there. I mean, okay, did you
ever hear the story how they when they got Junior Seau?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Have you ever heard this? Haven't Maddy p tell it?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Where they had a they like re signed him and
he was surfing and like tonguea or something like surfing
with a broken arm. Yes, so you've heard this. I
don't remember, but go ahead, Hey, love this story and
this is true because this is from verbat them. I'll
never forget it. It's like ingrained in my head because

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when we had pads on, we had to do those
stupid tackling drills sometimes and every day you would be exhausted,
and they would tell this story to you that they
had Junior say out, fly in, fly in, and he
hadn't played football, I don't know how long and probably
a year, yeah, in a while, and I guess he

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they made him like suit up and one school pads.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Getting back to Kyle, when you come back and you
join the team after practice, they they'll they'll make you
do shit. They will see where you're.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
At, and so he has they make him get his
full pads on everything. Junior Sau, the leading tackle buddy, Yeah, buddy, buddy, buddy,
buddy in the National Football League history history ever, and
they have him doing tackling drills, and I guess he
got so mad that he kept saying, run it back,

(39:41):
and it was like, wow, just wapping whoever running back?
I feel, I don't know who they said the running
back was. I'm sure he'll tell you when this probably
gets clipped, but it was Junior sayou just I guess
cracking him. And then he kept saying to Bill and
Matty P like are you good, buddy? Like are you
are you happy with what I'm doing, buddy, And kept

(40:02):
saying again, again, again again, until finally, like the kid
whoever was the running back tapped out. And so that
was forever ingrained because when we had to do these
stupid tackling drills, he was Bill, you know, he gets
all excited about He was like I had Junior say,
I'm doing this.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know what things? You going to get out of
this crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
We'll be right back after this quick break. You know
it's I heard another story of that too, though, Yeah.
I heard they brought him back one time and Matty
P asked him to get into tackling drills, and I
think Junior said, buddy, go look at my like whatever
number amount of tackles. He goes, that's my tackling drills.

(40:47):
It didn't do it. Now, do you can we get
this off our chest? And can you just admit that
uh Bill favored the defense?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
No, no, I'm not gonna admit that because that's bullshit.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, if you want to questions, test questions, you.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Talk about this, I don't even don't even care.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Are they going to be in that they potentially could
be on third down?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Over? No?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
No, no, no, hey.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Kyle, is this team red or blue? Okay? Anyways, you
can say whatever you want.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
But his High Tower do they like to run the foot?
He used to say that? Did he not used to
say that.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
His high Tower he was do they like to run
or pass?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He did not say that. I did not say that.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I don't remember those, but I just know his golden
child's were on offense. No fucking way, whatever Jules says, no,
I promise you whatever he says, he was a golden child.
Gronk was a golden child. Slate was a golden child,
Patrick Chung was a golden child, and uh Evan High

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were golden childs. And you could probably say Tom was
a golden child for the most part. But he was
able to treat you guys so differently in a good way.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
It was like it was like he knew how to
get under all y'all skin you easy who Bill?

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yes? Oh yeah Bill, Yeah, But you guys were his
golden childs.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
He used to get on us harder than a lot
of guys. He would get on.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Tom hard, really hard. I was like shocked the first
time I heard it. I was like, damn. I was like,
I gotta get my ish right with him talking not
he wasn't talking crazy, but just what he was saying
to Tom.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I was like, oh, I can't, like, you gotta be
on point here. You.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yeah, maybe sometimes it's probably really different in other places,
but I don't know any different.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, I know a lot it was. You think you
think they're saying it. You're you think you're gonna tell
Lamar Jackson what to do. I don't know, you tell
me he played with them, I know, But I'm just saying,
you're gonna try to critique how he plays the game
like it's kind of hard because it's it's not the
stand in the pocket, scan every play, right, that's not

(43:22):
what he does.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
He can do that, he's done.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
He I think Lamar is the most I think he's
like what Alan Iverson is to basketball, what Lamar is
to football. Like he's changed the culture in that aspect.
I think he You now, if you play quarterback, you

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want a guy like Lamar Jackson. It wasn't It's not
necessarily Pat Mahomes personally. I think that's what people have
now said. But I think everyone you talk to anyone,
it's Lamar Jackson, Like that's what people want. That's what
I believe.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Is that what you believe? I do?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
How is how was he as? How is it playing
with him?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I love?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I mean I think he's I think he's unreal, like
i've I think Lamar is just.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Did is he gonna win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I mean that's so everyone can ask that. And I
just think you need you know better than I do.
You need a complete team top to bottom, and you
need depth, you need health, you need health. It's a
little bit of luck with that regards you. Just a
lot of things need to balance your way.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, but the most important guy can't be On like
On can't be he can't be like putting yourself in
danger a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
No, And I think he's gotten better over the time.
I know he doesn't like to slide. That's just how
he grew up playing football. And I think he's progressed now.
I think as you get a little bit older in
age like he has, you have to start thinking about
different things. I still think he can move the same.
I think when people say he's slowed down, I was like, oh,

(45:02):
you need to come to practice because he's juking the
shit out of people and running away from people easy.
I don't think I've ever seen him sprint and he's
that fast, and I just think he's so good. And
you know, I really, I really hope there's not a
person I want to have win more Super Bowl than him.

(45:24):
I would say him and Khalil Mack. I love k Mack.
I think he's well deserved. I think he's top three
superstar I've ever been around that is just humble, hungry. Still,
I think he's well deserved good. He's not just a
smart football player, like he's just rugged.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Like the dude.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Can play the run elite level. He can rush the
passer out elite level. It's just brute force, Like there's
just it's just an unstoppable mentality where you're is it's
a force that's like you ain't gonna stop him. If
he's rushing you, He's gonna get there at some point
because it's kind of like Marshawn Lynch, you know how

(46:10):
his mentality running the football, like over and over and
over that same mentality I think over and over with
k Maac, you know, bull rushing good luck.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
How was Herbert?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I love Jay Herbert. I think is he is the elite. Yes,
I wanted to say something crazy, but I won't, but
I wish no, No, I know they're gonna still hear.
I will say, like he has reminded me of Tom
just like the like his mechanics and all that, Like

(46:47):
there's some of the resemblance of that. I don't like
ever comparing people, but like Buddy's got a cannon.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Buddy works extremely hard.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Like I will say, I was very impress with his
work ethic I was. I've been very impressed with his
I was always impressed with yours. I'm impressed with Antonio
Brown as crazy as he is, hesed to work hard, like,
oh my gosh, number one, I tell people to this day,
number one hardest worker like I've ever seen in practice,

(47:20):
Like it was a like savant level. It was very impressive.
But I put you in that court category him, Tom
Matthew Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Slate but not as much, but

(47:41):
worked his ass off. Sprinting. I mean, he ran more
sprints than anyone I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
He would drills like individual for his seventeen plays a game,
and he worked them like their last drill every time.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
But that's why he's going to be a Hall of
Famer though. Yeah, that's what he's different.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Derek Henry, that guy's a fucking monster. It works hard.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
He does. But it's like I'm not saying he doesn't
work hard, but there's just like the the there's just
when you've seen as many players as I've seen over
the last twelve years, it's a there's a category up
here where there there's just people that are different, and
you I would put him in there because not only

(48:24):
if his you know, on the field, but his work
like his weight room, Yeah in season weight room is
like oh, like that's why he's doing what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Now, you heard these rumors about you know how horrorball
you played with coach Arb Yeah, how the you know
practicum too hard?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Guys are like kind of turned off of rumors. They're
not rumors. We saw Zay talk about it.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, Jay Flowers talked about it on a podcast with
what do you Learn Up? Furnett and Jarvis they're doing
pretty good. What do I think about it? I mean
it's right in right in line with being hard practices
like that's no. I mean, I've been.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
The hardest practices you were ever a part of.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's hard to say because I was probably saying the
same thing with Bill's training camps. Those were hard. I
mean nine am and you're smacking in half line. You're
calling Jesus a couple of times, like am I really
about this? And I would say hardbas training camps are?
They take your Yeah, they take years off your life.

(49:29):
But I'm so used to it now, so I'm like
a hard person to say. It is way different than
the McVeigh tree. I've been in that tree. Brandon Staley
was coach when I was with the Chargers. I actually
loved it. I really believe in it because it's like
the three day, three day on one day off. You
don't do that in the NFL. Like you're always practicing

(49:51):
three days and then you play a game. You know,
so why would we do anything different? Why would I
practice you six days in a row? Like and I
understand you need to build callous I understand that I'm
talking about like I understand.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
TV for five years, the first two months of the season,
we talk about the offensive line play every fucking year.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
You know, they just can't get them blocked. The defense
is so much better.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
No, it's because they don't practice at high They don't
have enough padded practices anymore. So these guys can't pass
each other off and learn how to fucking work with
each other. You're turning into that guy. Huh, I'm just
saying turning into that guy.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Well, I played in double days, right, I mean, here
we go. No, but like to say double days to
double days.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
They didn't have double days I did in college.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
College. The NFL is completely different. But like to where
we're at right now, three on. I mean, I just
think the legs I'm saying that you can, level of
execution is gonna do it both ways.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
You can, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
They're like a keep to lead, said on the arena,
he's played with McVeigh and he's played with Bill, and
he was saying the same thing.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
You get to multiple ways.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
You can get to it multiple ways. Would you say
when the Rams won their Super Bowl they were soft?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
No? Probably not.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I can't say that they won the Super Bowl. Any
team that wins the Super Bowl, to me, you're tough.
You're going through a gauntlet. You're not going through soft teams,
especially in the playoffs like.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Hurley.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
No that Sony, Yeah, shout out Sony, Shout out Tony.
They had Sony, you had Aaron Vaughan, Leonard Floyd.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I believe they were good. Odell was probably gonna be.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
MVP or something.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah. Yeah, so they were well it.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Was the Triple Crown, but he also had he led
in Yak too.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I just think they're they're that you can do both
and still be tough. I think there's other issues in
the NFL, Like personally, since I've been in I think
the teaching has gone down.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Personally, this is what there's less time of it.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
It doesn't matter. You can still become a good teacher.
They're still good teachers. You don't hear the Eagles coach
complain about it. The line coach. You don't hear the
new Falcons O line coach who's one of the tops.
I believe he was with the Falcons and now I
can't think of his name. He's actually with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Now.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
A lot of good coaches, Kyle Shanahan. You've heard that
from a couple guys in the league. I won't say
their name, but they have said coaching has been.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, the teaching is not what it it should be. Like,
I really believe the teaching and that's why I think more.
And I'm not trying to say, oh, like, sign me,
but I think that's why veterans are so special and
should be special in the NFL, kind of like what
basketball does. In some organizations. You have Kevin Love who's

(52:58):
still playing for the Utah j As. That's given so
many guys over there, and I don't want to like
contrast their two different things, but it does help to
have ogs in your building to help young guys not
only be professionals, but to be like to help teach
like they see it from an on field perspective.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
The same thing happens in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
With those guys that are still playing, the Eudonis Haslams
of the world that are able to teach while still playing.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
That's why I think it was such a great move
for the Raiders to bring in Kirk Cousins for if
they do draft, they're going.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Or they are whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, because I just remember telling like, I just remember
the value I used to see our backup quarterbacks get
from watching Tom execute a system, from watching Tom ask
questions to Josh watching Tom on how he watched film. Yeah,
watching Tom on how he talked to the guys.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
So when Tom wasn't there for those four Jimmy g
came in and who everyone was saying, Oh, well, I
mean that's a lot of value to seeing something ran
the way it's supposed to be ran. I think Kirk
Cousins can do that forever. Well, look at the crew
he had. You have Jacoby Burssett who's still a quarterback
in the league. Jimmy Grappolo is still a quarterback in
the league. Both successful.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Whatever you can say whatever you want about them, but
they're successful. They played ten years in the league. There's success.
So to your point, that's why I think the teaching
aspect is you, and it needs to improve. And I
think it's hard because of now the turnover so much faster.
They want youth in their salary cap how it's being

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used all to the quarterback. They want to get cheaper
in places. Totally understand all that, but I just think
the value of the coaches being teachers should go up.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
What's the best coaching teaching?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Oh, you are, It's not from me that I guys,
listening to Scar. Scar is the best teacher I ever watched,
by far, not even close. I tell this like just
listening to him, how he was able to I mean,
he took guys that had no business and got them

(55:23):
prepared and ready to play if they needed. I mean,
Trent Brown became the highest paid tackle at one point
after you know, being duped from the Niners as kind
of what not, you know, wasted whatever, and got him
to believe in himself, got him to believe in the
group he was with to play at I think he

(55:43):
played at an all pro level in twenty eighteen and
then got picked up by the you know, paid by
the Raiders at that point. And now he's still in
the league, and I'm sure he remembers all the scar teachings.
But it's just I think him and Bill. I mean,
Bill's an amazing teacher of being able to take something
so simple and break it down to whoever needed to

(56:07):
hear it. However you need to hear, whether you're a visual,
a learner, walking and talking however you are trying to learn.
I think that's what separated Bill. But I think another
thing that separates Bill than anyone else is his critical
thinking in game, like his in game adjustments, Like I

(56:29):
can't believe how some teams don't do in game adjustments
like on the sideline where teams are like attacking a
certain thing and you're you're you won't adjust, and it's
like it drives me, it drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Bro Steelers still they do what they do. Steelers, I
mean they're still gonna put are are we changing it
up a little?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Got to? I mean Graham's a good coach. Yeah, he's
a solid coach. He's been successful. He's a Steelers DC.
They're gonna be good multi Yeah, PG is gonna be
great over there. He's got a lot of talent, probably
the most talent he's had since New England. You coulda
you could probably argue He's got a lot of ballers

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over there.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
They gotta get going. They're getting kind of old over there.
They said this week they're sticking with the three four
though they should. They have three four bodies, Cam Hayward.
They just picked up Sebastian Joseph Day. They got the
Yah Yah Harmon T J. Watt, They still got her Big,
they still have high Smith Alex Queen Jaylen Ramsey is

(57:37):
saying the.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Steelers can make a run. I mean, is Hearon going
back there?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I don't know. I'm not sure they need a quarterback.
They don't have one, and maybe Will Howard's the guy.
I don't know. I don't know, but if he was
the guy, they probably would have. You know, maybe I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Who do you think they draft? Not sure the draft?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
What are they like? Number twenty eight?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Probably like twenty two. They made the playoffs over.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Us, I know, but that's it's outrageous.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Now we got to talk about this twenty eighteen AFC
Championship game. Let's get into all timer Aaron had games.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
What what's the first thing you think about when you
think about that game?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I think about the play I had. That doesn't that
goes unnoticed. It was a screenplay to DJ Williams on
the side and it was b and I think three
blockers and I split two. I remember that, and knocked
him out of bounds and it was a huge play.
You can't fuck a bock right, And then I remember

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how the heaters went out in the game.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Heaters went out, and I remember how.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I remember how you had the same play like three
times in a row, third and ten, and then I
remember the interception that didn't count. I had my The
heater wasn't working, so I was balled up in a
in a cocoon with my jacket on. I wasn't even
watching the game. I was just like, somebody tap me

(59:10):
and tell me when we're going back. So the crowd's
going crazy. I get tapped. I'm like, what the hell happened?
And I guess there was a pick and then all
of a sudden they were like the laundry, thank you dfod.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Was it was D four I forget. Someone came up
to me. I was slimming my ship, all pissed off.
What the fuck think about the off season? Shou fuck dude,
fuck you good, and some guy came up to me.
He goes you guys are gonna have a hell of
off season. So I thought we fully lost the game. Yeah,

(59:45):
and then.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I go, what, there's a flag?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I went read them. I thought that was like the
funnest win that was.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Oh yeah, that's all timer, just because that was better
than the super Bowl because we had, like, no one
gave us a chance going in there winning against the Rams, no,
against the Chiefs on fire. They were Sammy Watkins, Tyreek Hill, Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Shut him up in the first half.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, do say, except except wait late, didn't they score
like right before the half or not? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Nothing, nothing, nothing, You guys. We were going crazy. You
guys were you guys were holding Yeah, we were going crazy.
And then all of a sudden they Andy Reid give
him enough time. He's like, I got I got him, Andy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Reid, and we gotta put some shine on Kyle.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
That game bro ten ten tackles, two sacks, two TFLs,
and two QB hits.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Man crazy lead the playoffs elite, Yes, that year was elite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Played good. Eighteen was a run. We'll be right back
after this quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
All right, man, let's go back into time to win
your game that we are just gussing the point set
of bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Let's see it go.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
It happened on December twentieth, twenty twelve. Let's go over
some pop culture. See what was going on in the world.
Number one movie was The Hobbit. Number one song Locked
Out of Heaven by Bruno Mars. My mom loves Bruno
Mars popping around in a theater, Django, awesome movie, Lincoln

(01:01:23):
Too Long. I've I gotta go back and watch it.
But Daniel da lewis right out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Yeah, those are great movies, I know, but I gotta
go watch them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I got to rewatch the You.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Are such a gang now style guy, Oh for sure?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
No shot, Yeah I didn't. I was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
My kid loves that. My little girls nine years old.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Now it was still around.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Yeah, it was more like two years ago when they
used to love it in the car rides. That's true.
It's still popping.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
They had a million.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Bro ap was the MVP. Gosh that anyone not a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Man Zel was going crazy Johnny bro he's my draft
class story about Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
He was I was the year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I think I was the last year they did the
Rookie Symposium. I was the one that was getting entertained
by Warren Sapp and Chris Carter talking about a fall guy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I was there and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Looking, no, hell all. I loved it though it's good.
It was great, but they hell no, they don't do
it no more. But I think they do it with
their own respected.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Every team has to do it like we do, like rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and so I'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Like I'm listening to this and I'm like, I'm looking
at like whatever the team person is, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Can't remember what their job was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
The ops guy that was there, and he's like looking
and he's like scratching his head like what They just
went off the rails and they were talking about like
you ever get busted, you got your boy in the back,
you know, just tell him to do it. And I'm
like I'm looking out like, oh, this is crazy. And
while we were there, the rumor was Jhamon's wasn't there

(01:03:16):
and he showed up late, and I think you get
like a big fine because it was like mandatory that
he was just chilling in the hallway like nothing happened,
like all right, I'm here, you know, but yeah, Giant football,
he's good people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
You would imagine if he just had a fall guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I mean I think he tried to have them
we I mean, geez, yeah, I was the fall guy.
That was crazy, bro, I'll never forget that. That was
insane watching just Sap and Chris Carter. They talked for
like thirty minutes about this too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I think Carter was talking at mine, but he actually
gave us some good shit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
He I remember him talking about it. Ricky Rookie Symposium.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Life's about choices, decisions and consequences you make. So there's
a choice, you decide what to make and there's gonna
be a consequence or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah. The other guy that spoke something Herring, he played
for the Celtics history the white boy. Yes, had like
the drug. Oh my god, he told his story. I've
I was locked in. It was so powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Remember the FANSYSI guy we used to talk, come and
talk to us about gambling. The BX gangster who's like
one of the good fellow dudes. Yeah, I mean they get.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I mean, look, there's a lot of shit that happens
with our league, and a lot of people say they
could do more, but look, I think that they try
to get better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Okay, this is a good conversation because I do think
they can do one thing better, and I do think
it's the mental health aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
You know, we had a fallen brother in the NFL
Ronde Moore. Don't know him, but condolences to his family.
AJ Green had a really good point where he said
that if you get a season ending injury, it should
be mandatory that you should be meeting with somebody like

(01:05:18):
a therapist. I do think it should be outside of
the building because the you know, I I independent, independent,
just kind of like a neuro doctor from a concussion purpose.
I think it should be the same thing. They should
give you, like five to ten therapists. You can you know,
you can pick which one you can see, but it

(01:05:40):
should be mandatory for anybody that's injured personally, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Well, I mean it's it's a it's a valid point.
I mean psychologically, that's one of the hardest things you
deal with as an athlete is when you can't go
out and do what you think you're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Here to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, and you isolated too very and it's not anyone's fault,
it's just it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, it is what a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Train moves on you're sitting back at the train stop
watching it go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, or you're just trying to learn how to walk again. Yeah. Man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
What what was life like for you during in college
b yu big man on campus, big man on campus?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Or what I was during that time? We didn't really
have a I was. I was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I was though likes at that point, I didn't. We
didn't have at We didn't have a quarterback that was
getting marketed. I was marketed like a quarterback. They put
me on billboards like I did commercials, I mean off
the books. Yeah, you know those conversations are you know,

(01:06:48):
they are what they are? They were great out of
money at By they are you see what they're doing now? Yeah,
I'm not surprised they're going to make it. Are they
going to make it to the I think you know
they they have a chance to get into They missed.
They should have been in the playoffs last year. Colonia
is doing a great job with them. Now, me too.

(01:07:11):
He was definitely gone, that's for sure. I know that
he was definitely going to Penn State, like I know that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Things happened, especially you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Are you a movie guy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Cookies in my movie?

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
I love movie TV shows, Yes, but what's your shows
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
My shows right now? The Neighbors and Friends that came back, Uh,
the pit on the Great Show Hit, The Seven Kingdoms
that was good. The prequel, Yeah, prequel. I'm trying to think.
I have a list. I am on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
I'm teran married man, professional athlete, got a lot of series.
I got a ton because that's what you're watching probably
when you're getting your your body work or yeah, you're traveling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Oh, I got a whole list. I'll just shout out
a couple of ones that I've liked over the years,
Ray Donovan, hous of Cards, The Shy Top Boy, Shameless, Succession, Billions,
Barry Money, Heist.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Are you gonna get into TV or something? You watch
a lot of shows?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Ozark, The Boys, I'll keep going, The Punisher, Taboo with
Tom Hardy, City on a Hill that's also Boston too,
High Town, Vikings of Valhalla, Hunters, Reacher, A Gentleman. That's
a good one, Bosh Bosh, Legacy, Yellow Jackets, Long Man,
Tulsa King and Mary Mayor of Kingstown. Those just a couple.

(01:08:47):
I got more. I could scroll. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
That's that's a bullnower. That's a it's a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Noor.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
The TV shows more TV shows? Yeah, which is the
new movie? Yeah? Fair?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I wonder are we gonna see you in a movie?

Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I got questions too, Like we're the first trap photos too.
I see you got a couple of PHO in the
first trap scene now too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I mean we were once a young guy. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Hey, one thing I always respect is you. You're always
You've always been like very private and respectful of your
love life, like you've always kept it. You know, I've
always respected how you moved that way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I'm not saying you're like a like a bad person
or anything. It's just what I like in regards to relationships.
It's not my business, but like knowing you and being
friends with you of like how you're handsome guy, young guy.
You know you're how you move respect.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Thanks bro, Thanks appreciate that. Just trying to move the
right way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
And a nine year old daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how's how's being a dad
of a nine year old daughter?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
It's insane, It's a fun. This is what's she into?
She loves horses? Nice? Like what I say?

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I can't say the word like the Canter question, question.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
She should get tickets for at the in the Olympics
to a question we should probably.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Does she do? Is she like country? Like my mentor's
daughter is a barrel. She's like she just goes.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
I mean she loves them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
We're not like I'm not a horse guy. I can
tell you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
So you know we do we do the we do
the horses. She loves she plays soccer, she plays tennis. Nice,
she loves going, she loves the water sports. You know,
she's really big into the lake right now. I showed her.
You know, we've been going to lake Life for five years.
You know, so she loves going to the lake, going
on the tube, getting on the knee board, doing the skis.

(01:10:56):
You know, she's just it's it's a fun age because
they can now you could show them like movies and
they understand the humor. Yeah, and you watch Home Alone
and like some guy gets kicked in the nuts. She's
dying laughing now, like you know what, she understands that
you watch that. When they're like five, they're like, what's
going on?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
So it's just it's it's a fun it's a fun
age and like, honestly, nothing quite gives you the sport
high that you used to get when you would go.
Like for me, when I would go and I would
train in the off season to get try to get
something better. I'd run route like a thousand times. This

(01:11:36):
one's just the top of her route. And then when
I would see it translate and progress on the field
in a game, that like that satisfaction you fork feeling
that you got from seeing your work payoff. I only
get that now from watching my kid like that you
fork feeling watching her hit the piano with the teacher,

(01:11:58):
you know, grinding through through it, learning things, doing things
that are hard for her, Watching her on the soccer field,
watching her practice, watching her on the tennis court, like
that's the ship that gets me, like I just want
a super Bowl is when you know she's hitting the
forehand right. Yeah, I feel you so like it's a

(01:12:19):
fun age because they still love you. I know it's
gonna get crazy here in a few years, you know,
and you know things change.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
You're gonna be great, be good.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I will be straight. You got kid, right. I do
have two too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I have a six year old son, Trey, and my
daughter who's four.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Monett, Monet, Trey and Monett.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Great question. Thanks. Uh, trays into everything. Uh, he's a
very smart kid, very artistic.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
He does.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Flag, football, baseball, coaches pitch right now, getting him into golf.
Uh yeah, tennis, he plays everything. Basketball, he like, Yeah,
for sure, I didn't get to play those either, So
I well we're throwing them in there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
We need it. I need those tennis lessons.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
My parents may. I'm better than what my parents like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
They make it. You're trying to go the next Yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
And you know, another thing that I'm starting to do
that I didn't do, which I wish I would have done,
was I always wish I would have played a sport
that was solo like or do something activity wise, like
I'm gonna get him. My next thing that he's going
to get into is jiu jitsu. I hope I said

(01:13:51):
that right, just to learn you know, the respect, you know,
you know, the mentality be a war a guard, you know,
a warrior, but a gardener type of deal, like that
mindset where you can, you know, protect yourself, protect others,
but you're learning it into a controlled environment where you're
learning peace within on type of deal so I think

(01:14:13):
that's something I wish I learned that I want him
to learn, whether that's jiu jitsu or boxing, one of
the two.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
I love the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
We're team sport guys, yeah, you know what I mean,
Which football is the ultimate team sports. The guys got
to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
But golf is the best sport.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
But the individual sports, that's a different psyche. Yes, you know,
that's why I like her doing tennis because there ain't
no one to blame but yourself. Nope, you're the light
is on you. There's you know what I mean, Like
you can't have a bad day those sports, golf, tennis,
you know, all these individual sports that takes. That's a

(01:14:53):
different psychological mindset for these guys and women than when
when you're in a team sport. Now you know you
you got to be mentally tough in both of them,
but it's just different, for sure, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
But I will say to throw your hat in the ring.
You're probably one of the best ping pong players I've seen.
No I know, but you guys were always going at
it in the corner versus each other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
But that's that's that solo. That's the solo mission y'all
in the you know he's the sheriff. He's a sheriff. Dang,
you just bound the knee. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
He beats my ass ping pong. Dang, he taught me
how to play ping pong.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
He did. Yeah, like he used to beat me with
like an iPhone. He'd have his iPhone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
He played ping pong, and it was different when you
get those like the crazy paddles or there's spin and ship,
you know what I mean. It's like tennis.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I love Dola.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I wanted you to bring You need to dive into
your story with Dola.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Which one you Dola and Paul Pierce tis Oh, Paul
Stature limitations can't even go a hood slide anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Let's jump into this game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Though. We hit the San Diego State Aztecs real quick
the point set a Bowl, which Kent State almost went
to the point set a Bowl in two thousand and
six when I was there, Man, imagine that. But we lost.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
I think we signed it before the last week and
we were six and five, and they thought we were
going to be seven and five, and they pulled it
from us when we lost in the last week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Dang, you was playing quarterback too. Did you throw a
pick or something? What happened? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
We played ball state with Nate Davis. He was a
quarterback that got drafted in the third round of the Niners.
And we were in what Muncie in Indiana or something
like that, and it just was a weird Saturday that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
I've had one of them. You have those weird saturdays where.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Like I had that again, Oregon State beat Cooks Cookie.
It was Cook's Marcus Wheaton and a backup quarterback, Dan
Katz or something like that. Not Dan Katz from barstool.
He ain't playing no quarterback. But this dude came out

(01:17:18):
twelve for twelve beat our. They beat our ass. Oh
it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Man, all right? Jack, yeah, man.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Let's get into these Aztecs real quick. Bran second year
of the Rocky Long era. You know anything about Mountain
West football? You know Rocky Long winning his head coach
at New Mexico, came over to San Diego State coming
off an eight and five season. This year they were
Mountain West code champs. Started off two and three, little struggle,
but ripped off seven in a row, beat number nineteen

(01:17:45):
Boise State on the road. There's a power run team.
Don't like to throw the ball. They'll ground and pound it.
Got Adam Weima and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Then Adam that guy was a beast. Walter CAZy.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
Weyman had almost fifteen hundred yards CAZy eight hundred and
twenty two. These guys were balling out. Gavin Escobar, I
remember him, tight end, good tight end, but put up
thirty two points a game with a run attack like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
So they were pretty Uh this coach was at Michigan
at one point too, was he?

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
I believe so Rockylong has been around and then he
and uh he and Bronco Menden Hall coach together.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Bryce Butler, good friend of mine, good golfer, he's like
a content creator golfer.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
And yeah, yeah, I mean this team was, uh, this
was a solid Mountain West team.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
And then getting into these e Yu Cougar.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
By player Daniel Sorenson. Oh bro his favorite player, right?
You mean safety from Kansas City?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Is that the white boy?

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yeah he was easy. I forgot about that little Easy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I was just saying, that's one of your favorite player.
I respect, I mean he used to he was. We
used to battle each other, man, man, respect These these
cougarre eight and five Bronco Mendenhall era put up twenty
eight points a game on offense.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
But no disrespect to the offense and what Riley Nelson
and Cody Hoffman did. But this defense was insane, unbelievable,
allowing just fourteen points a game, third in the nation.
This is post Mountain West era. So second year is
an independent for BYU. I mean, we got to put
some love on Kyle this year. I mean this game
was insane. But this season thirteen sacks, twenty two tackles

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for losses, six forts, rumbles, two picks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
This team was insane. Didn't even make All American? How
was that possible? I was going to play in that year?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Was Jarvis Jones mentor? I think it was Moseley and
somebody else, but I don't care. I should have been
one of them, That's all I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
You and Zick Johnson were insane.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
We remember two in the country and defense. I played
a game this year, Jules. We held Boise State to
zero points and still lost. We threw a pick fix
to the nose team. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Guest, this was freshman Taysom Hill too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Yeah, young Buck, what do you remember about this team.
I remember we were really good. We were rugged on defense,
We're tough. I remember the San Diego State game Whenma
was like the person to stop, I mean, ran for
fifteen hundred yards essentially that year. We knew it was
going to be a defensive game. So it was just like,

(01:20:34):
all right, you know, if you know when, we might
have to score to win this game. And that was
kind of the mentality going into it. And I happened
to score twice that game. He did, I did. I
went crazy. This is like, honestly, I thought I was
going to go to the NFL after this year, but

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decided to go back for my senior year.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Geez, we'll be right back after this quick break. Now,
what's one thing that people don't know about by U?
The best part of it? One thing, because I mean,
like what there's like almost like you guys, it's kind
of like in its own little world over there. Yeah,
they call it the bubble. It's like its own little bubble.

(01:21:19):
I don't think people realize how smart people are there.
Like a lot of people get jobs from BYU all
over the country. I saw recently a video of someone
talking about I remember I graduated history major. Yes, sir,
I am a college graduate. What a history major?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
And what histories? American history? History?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
No, it was world history. But I couldn't tell you
anything world history. I wanted to catch myself before you
went down that road, like when's world War two?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
You know world War two? I believe it was nineteen
thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, that will stop there, will stop there. But I
was in history class and I won't forget this one.
This one was crazy. They picked a kid, like the
CIA came and like grabbed a kid out of my class.

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Never saw him again. I think they were recruiting this kid.
I think he spoke because a lot of people serve
LDS missions and so I think this kid spoke like
five different languages and they just like, basically, you got
the job, and then I picked him out of class. Wow,
never saw him again. I just think there's a really

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a lot of smart humans there. I mean they're hard working.
I think a lot of jobs salesmen, door to door sales,
they do a really good job of that because they
take two year missions and they knock on doors for
two years. I don't think it's two years anymore. I
think it's one year. You can kind of pick how

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long you go now? But I didn't serve one. Other
factors are in there, but I respect those that choose
to do it. I really think it's unbelievable. I mean,
my brother did it. He went on a Spanish speaking
My mom did it, went Spanish speaking to Dominican Republic.

(01:23:35):
My dad did it, he went to the Philippines. I
have all my cousins went Spanish speaking, so, like, you know,
my family, I'm adopted, so my whole family's white. So
you got like five people that can speak Spanish to
each other at the dinner table. You're like, bro, just
speak English, bro, But yeah, they're all It's great. It

(01:23:56):
was an awesome experience, like I said when you asked,
and I wasn't humble about it. I really did get
treated like a superstar there. I couldn't go to class
because people would bug me. I got like the gymmer
for debt treatment where I got to just go to
an advisor every day and do my work there and

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would sign autographs basically.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Like every day like Jimmer did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah. Baby, Yeah, it was a cool experience, very humbling,
and I learned how to be a professional, like I
learned how to move like a professional. That's why I
felt like when I got in the league, a lot
of guys would when I was a rookie, would be like, Bro,
you seem like you've been in the league seven years,
and I'm like, I'm a rookie, and they'd be like, oh,
you just not like you take care of your body like,

(01:24:44):
you're very well spoken, you know how to like maneuver
like it's very impressive. And so I think that's why
a guy too I still talk to this day, Calvin Johnson,
Me and him just got along because really well, right
at the beginning, just because I felt like we at
a just like he thought I was like a mature

(01:25:04):
rookie for my agent could handle the just talking ship
with him. And you know, he still makes fun of
how I run it, like text me yell, text me like, bro,
pump your arms and just mess with me still to
this day. But just I owe a lot to that
place of just becoming a young man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Mount Rushmore b Yu people, good question.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Bring No, Righam's not on there, and the pump pass
kick guy, he's not in there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Steve Steve's on there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Jim Orferdet's on there for sure, it's a really good question.
Who else is on there?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
What else we got?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
I'd probably put Robbie Bosco on there. Yeah, and then
I'm going to put him on there just because I
like his uh story so much as McMahon. Yes, just
because he's so different. He did things his way there.
He probably like was drinking beer and you know, yeah,

(01:26:18):
like he's just a cool dude. I've met him a
couple of times and he just did everything his way,
and he did it in the league his way, Like
he's just a cool cat. Yeah, I would say those four.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
Let's get in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Lead up. I'm just laughing at the fact you had
Austin Collie on yours this morning. You guy cracked me up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Remember we talked about this. You told me when we
first met, talked about it. How he would change.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
His gloves a thousand, like a million times during the day.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I love you, I love you. My guy had trainers
rolling out his palms before he went out to go,
and then he would like take the gloves off and
he's like, hey, can you roll out my hands and
feel a little stiff, like he had like some OCD
ship going there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Let's fucking up. He was so even and he would
do the glove thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
You know, you how can you make fun of O
C O C D when you're like one of the
most O C D.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Bro, You're warm up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Had to be the same your massages every single day,
had to be like the same amount your dip.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
That's a whole different story. Yes, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
We could go down the list of oh the yellow shirt,
Oh my gosh, that yellow shirts. Probably that yellow shirt
gets treated better than a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Lot of people. Right there, buddy, there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Let me see this thing. Gosh, look at this thing. Bro,
this is so gross. Hey you know what's cool though?
Is you still got it? This is dope?

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Hell yeah you can. Baby. I always used to say,
you're like pop By said, I am what I am? Yeah,
I am what I am.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
In college, we did We're good.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
It's gratty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
In college, we did gray shirts, so I know the feeling. Yeah,
I respect it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
You guys did great shirts in games too.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
Yeah, that was that was a fresh look. Caleb Williams like, yeah,
Caleb says that for a little bit. Okay, what we
got all right, let's get into this thing. We uh
we got the nine and three entering this game Sean
Diego State Aztecs seven and five. B y U b
YU come off a late season lost to San Jose
State uncharacteristic h and we got James Lark making his

(01:28:53):
second career starting this one, fifth year senior. So the
defense is gonna have to do their They're gonna have
to get out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
For him maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
And San Diego State seven game win streak we mentioned
that earlier leading into this one. This was rocky long
Bronco Mendon Hall men in all had been as DC
at New Mexico. They'd worked together at Oregon State. So
this was a little pupil versus the master kind of game.
Two guys that know each other very well. B WHYU
enters this thing five and oh in their last five
against San Diego.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
What wasn't the swag bag?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
God asked that crash Nosta. This was like the old
San Diego State.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I played there to the Chargers, Baby bron had
his sixty nine yard touchdown there.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
So what stands out to this game other than your
two touchdowns, sack, interception and block block block punt.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Honestly, I like black were you in the zone? Yeah?
I blacked out this game? Like what made you so?

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
What made you so prepared for this game?

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Why do you think you played so well? Was it
your week of prep? Did you know going into this
thing you were to have something?

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Did you do something super funny? This is good? All right,
we'll getting in it. It gritty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
So I got I thought I was playing so good
that year that I was like, I'm going to the league,
you know, in about a month prior to this, because
this was like right at the week after was finals,
and so I had my advisor say, hey, look like
you're failing a bunch of your classes. I was like,

(01:30:31):
oh shit, like it looks like I'm going to the
league then, and he was like listen, like I think
you should just try the last month, like just in
case you want to come back, want to finish like whatever.
And I was like, you know what, I'll try this
next month. So I like really tried at school the
week before was finals. I had to get like three

(01:30:53):
I had to get in an over an eighty on
one test over seventy five and like another eighty five
in one test to like pass the class. So I
found out what I'm not gonna lie, like what adderall
was that week? And I studied my ass off all week,
like I was prepared, like the first time ever passed

(01:31:14):
all three of my finals. Got the one I had
to get an eighty five, I got an eighty eight.
And I've never been more excited in my life to
where the advisors when we got the tests were like
all jumping, like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Oh you know so like that was jope.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
So then I just slept that whole next week because
I had been up for like three days straight studying
and taking tests that I just like slept during that
whole time and then went stupid and I think, just.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Kids, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, you play good football on
the great part for sure. The other stuff, please don't do.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
See the satisfaction of going out there and achieving your goal. Yeah,
in the academics it allows you to play free, yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
And it was I think just after the game, like
being able to celebrate that experience with my parents. I
mean the sack fumble and the end zone that second
to the left picture, yeah, or second from the left
picture I watched that was like the that was probably
the one play yeah, tud And just remembering Ziggy on

(01:32:29):
the pile with me and my teammates all geeked, and
then just the experience after was pretty crazy. It was
like the first it was like Twitter was just starting
at the time, what x's was starting to so like
trending after that, and like being on Sports Center, You're
my name was number one trending on like the top

(01:32:49):
ten of Twitter, and then just being having two plays
on the top ten from that night and just you know,
agents start hitting you up after that process and just
that whole experience was pretty crazy after.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Now, were you excited to be playing against San Diego
State in the point setable or what was?

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Well, No, we were pissed because our defense was number
two in the country, and you know that it was
like disappointing to make it, you know, being on a
team that should it should have been in those top
bowl games.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
We just had.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
We you know, tayso Hills played in the NFL while
he got hurt that year in the fourth quarter of
a dumb football game and somebody went low at his
knee and blew his knee out, and so that was
kind of Then after that, I was like trying to
find a quarterback. I think we played with four different
quarterbacks that season, So it was just kind of crazy.

(01:33:48):
I mean we lost the game with not giving up
a defensive touchdown. So it was just like one of
those seasons where it is what it is, and you
know we were kind of pissed off, and you know,
we played like it. We played really, really well the
whole game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Now, who was the quarterback looking at when he threw
you the pick six?

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I don't know, because I that was great. I slipped,
I was right there. It was just one of those games.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Jewels Ya.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Yeah, yeah, we got busy. We got busy a little bit.
I got five tuddies in the league, so I get
busy when I get the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Bro. Yeah. The quarterback the arms, as Calvin Johnson was saying, Bro,
because I say, I didn't know that's what it was,
but I just been thinking about it after you told
me it is you. I need to pump my arms more.
Who's the coolest quarterback you picked off in the league?

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Picked off? I didn't. I haven't picked off very many
cool quarterbacks. But quarterback Jared Goff Jared Yeah, yeah, Jared Goff.
But it was early and is it was when he
was in Saint Louis, so they were bad. Jeff Fisher, Yeah,

(01:35:06):
remember I got to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Pick six off. Josh Rosen, appreciate it. Thanks, Josh favorite
quarterback he sacked Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, is he hard? No,
Josh Allen, Like, is he like a? Because I remember watching.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I did you see his a rivalry over the years,
right like when you play in the league and he
might not think I'm a rival whatever, but like playing
in New England and seeing his development where he sucked
ass at the beginning, but you saw talent and then
day Ball got there. And then twenty nineteen when we
were playing for the division game and you were kind

(01:35:50):
of like, ah, ship, he's figuring out the checkdown and
you just saw the progression with day Ball and then
to see where he's at now, like he's really really good.
And then Patrick Mahomes that that game in the AFC
Championship getting him twice was pretty sick. And then yeah,

(01:36:11):
I've missed I missed Tom though that's the one that
got away.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
In Tampa.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I was playing I shouldn't have I probably shouldn't have
played that game. I had a bruise, I like strained
something I like my adductor guess or whatever, and thugged
it out and there's a play where he side steps
me and I'm like on one leg and I like no, no, no, no.

(01:36:39):
But what was weird about that? And I don't know
if you ever, if you ever talked to him, but
like that game was so the it was so intense,
like it felt like a playoff game. But then after
the game, I don't know if he said this. It

(01:36:59):
was me and High were right next to him, and
he was like, I think he said, that wasn't as
much fun as I thought it was gonna be. Like,
I think he enjoyed beating us, but I think it
was like the big brother kind of relationship that we had,
Like it wasn't as fun as he thought. Now, I
didn't think it was that fun either, because it's like

(01:37:21):
that's like your brother on the other side, Like, yeah,
you want to beat him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Did you playing against Tampa? Yeah, when we were in
New England, he should have went for it on fourth time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Yeah, you're talking about with the field goal, Yeah, I
don't know. I mean, look at Foes is still kicking.
He's a baller. I just think with the rain, it's
impressive what he's doing. I just think with the rain
it was just you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
You know, if you missed it, Mac Jones would have
gotten the radio bullshit and it would whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Yeah, Yeah, tough game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Yeah, Jack put a bow on this, so it's greater
Man twenty three to six.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
B Yu gets to win All Timer. Kyle was named
Defense of MVP. Cody Hoffman Offensive MVP. He balled out
in this game. We got to read the stat line.
Eight total tackles, two touchdowns, one funner recovery, one interception,
one and a half sacks, three and a half tackles
for losses, and a punt block.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
That's a fucking is a game.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
We went crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
I think I'm the only player in college football history
to have I think three seasons or back to back
seasons with every stat you could get on defense, every stat,
every stat, I think pump block, all of the stats
you can get back to back seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
I think you might have to check me with that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
You played one year with Nikovich, right, that's a Nikovic
stat right there there. That stat that you just.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Brought way, you're going to put me in that cab
is the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
When you know, fumble recovery at the third quarter. I
have the most all time of that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
That's a sweet stat though, But I'm kind of like
you're comparing me to Ninko.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
This is like negative Nancy Ninko.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Was this your best individual performance of all time in
college or all time?

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Probably all time? Maybe I'm in high school. I went
crazy one game. I think I had like four or
five touchdowns in one game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
How'd you guys celebrate in San Diego? It's funny you
bring this up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I took Ziggyanza to Jack in the Box for the
first time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
You had never been two tacos, yepp them in Ranch
jumbo Jo.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
We didn't go that crazy. I love yeah, the egg rolls.
I love Jack in the Box.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
It's been so long.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
I know me too.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
It was like it was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Jack was cool because they served everything at everything all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I didn't have the curly fry, went crazy early frien
or milkshake oil shake.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
All were on the same page page. We'll be right
back after this quick break. Let's go, what's the craziest
game you've had? And what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
That's a comment right there? College three wore ever? Yeah,
high school, I mean you went stupid in high school.
You played every position. I was a quarterback in high school,
I know, and at Kent State, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I had some like.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Some good running throwing games.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Right, throw for like two hundred and fifty yards, run
for like one hundred and fifty yards. What about when
I was like a little kid, I scored seven or so,
I bet they can catch you. What about the league?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
What's like the game that comes to mind would be
the MVP game or do you think there's more?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
See, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
I've had really good games, but I always had I
had really good moments, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
I had a like that Super Bowl MVP game. I
was probably like ninety nine for one hundred on like
all my assignments, Like it was almost a perfect assignment game.
There was one where a ball was kind of tipped
and I didn't catch, Like it was tipped and I

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didn't catch it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
But like I cared about grades.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
No, But it was like one of those things where
like you know when you say, after a really good game, oh,
I could have had that one block.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Yeah, there's always one.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
There's always like one rep no matter how good your
stats were, there's always something. And that was like a
close to a really good game, even though there was
no touchdown. The Super Bowl in UH Seattle against Seattle
was awesome. That was a really cool game. I don't know.
I had some monster college games against Akron and when

(01:41:48):
I was at Kent right through like three h five
three touchdowns ran for a touchdown. It was like the
first time we got the wagon wheel in years like that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
But fucking it. So it's always fun. Let's name this thing?
What do you what do you want to name this?
We got some names, the point set Up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Bul, the the point set Up Bull, the Kyle van
Ou Game, the Double Tuddy Game, the I Blacked Out Game,
the SmackDown in San Diego, or something else. I gotta
call it whatever you want. Shit, I'm gonna put my
name on it. Yeah, Vani, it's fitting two doi game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
I was gonna say, I was trying to get liked
work not bad, not bad?

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
You trying.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
I'm gonna get put on flow bation again. Score the game.
Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Let's score it. The stakes of this twenty twelve point
set up Bowl game between San Diego State and bring
them young universes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Out of ten encouraged.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Oh then it's I'm I'm gonna put the steaks are
like six point three.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
You know that's a metrics. That's a great veterans score.
A man of integrity, I gotta go six one. Look
these are great. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's
a I went six four to a bowl game, so
I wish I got to great a fucking bowl game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
I also went six one freaking ball State.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
The star power of this game, whoever was that? The
game was you know, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna say, uh three point two, three point two, Yeah,
you're in there.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
I'll give it a five.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Oh oh, look at you. That's nice of you. Five
oh five oh not five eight four two four two one.
That was a little low on that one. Sponsored by
c Diego County Credit Union out of pointout out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
The gameplay of this game, it's back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
I'm gonna I'm going to say gameplay till the fourth
quarter was I would say an eight.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
I mean, I made the National Football League as a
special team player. This fucking punter put seventeen punts inside
the negative two yard line.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
It looked position game. I mean the way this guy punted,
I got a heart on. It was fucking it was elite.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
And then you had so too many fair catches. Actually
JD falsif didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
But I'm saying the punt and you guys did the
plus fifty points so good where you had your heels
on the back and the guy caught it on the
one like twice or three times. And then I like
defensive games, those kind of games. I'm gonna go with
a eight point one. Riley Stevenson, Seamus mcmurrow, baby punters
fourteen total punts. But the gunner too, I don't know

(01:44:46):
who the gunner was. There was a gunner that got
like three inside the fives.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
That punter did he get drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
He had to have after that, I think, so I
think you gotta look, you know, crazy, how many times
were you like the Hatriot player of the week or.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
I don't even know, you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Know, remember when Bill got that it's my It's one
thing that I never got that I'm like still bitter about.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
I got my.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
I didn't get it that often.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
No, I know, not many people did. He would give
it to like random people all the time, not saying
they weren't deserving, but I always was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
But hurt. I never got one.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
I used to wear black jersey with my first like
two years though I get black jersey first couple of years.
I mean, I you saw me at a different time.
I was there for eight years before you or like
five six When were you there twelve? Two thousand and nine?
Oh shit, I got there in two thousand and nine.
I played like a full career before sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Yeah, you know what I mean. You're old, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
It was nuts and it was like a different team
when I got there. Yeah, we didn't have Jamie Highe. No, No,
you were playing defense. That's how I know it was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Knocking up in gwombole. All right, let's wrap this up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
The name of the game, the Kyle Vanoy game one
to ten decimals encourage.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Oh, I'm going with nine point eight. Baby, got a
shout out my name.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
I'll give him a eight point seven shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Gronk.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
Yeah, I scored this before I knew we were naming it.
Man out of three or is this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
What's the what's the number? Where is it rank?

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
It is a five point seven on the list. This
is gonna second slide five point seven to one. This
is ooh, this is low.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
This is gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
Our new one hundred and thirty third game, just ahead
of the Lewis got it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Here, I'm sorry, I gotta go one mare side.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Oh okay, good, we're not last.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
No, it's just out of the mo Lewis game Week two,
two thousand and one Jets versus Patriots would Drew bledsoe
famously got hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
And then just.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Ahead, wait, wait, what's that Patriots Bills game twenty eleven?

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Who is that Patriots bill was twenty eleven? Right there?
One thirty four? I don't know, DAK sixteen twenty eleven.
That oh, that's a dinosaur f light game with that
l like, oh my god. When you clinched the division.
We clinched division. We went to uh and we got
snowed in at Buffalo. That had to be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
It was we And then we got there wasn't any
hotel space in Buffalo because there was a hockey turn juniors,
so we had to bust this Rochester, New York. The
whole team went to fucking Rochester, New York. Dinosaur barbecue.
First time I ever saw coaches drinker or anything. It's
like one of those things. It was like my third
or third year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Y'all had to go crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Tom was in there chugging beers. I mean it was
the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
That's our most few episode by Farr. That's our most
few episode. That is Yeah, one point five mil with Mounts. Yeah,
you see the top games if we want. The two
thousand and eight AFC Championship game is second for us.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Yeah, Break one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
It's a little Patriot heavy, but those are a games
in the history of games.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Twenty eight to three is the best game, glad. I
was a part of it. Unreal, unreal experience. Kyle, we
missed anything from this game? O.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
No, we didn't. Now we got everything, man, So we
got the Kyle then the Kyle van Ney Valor Foundation.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
What is that Valor?

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
We're not reader guys, Yeah, we're readers. We found that
out really quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
So my wife and I I'm adopted. My wife's dad
and brother adopted as well, so we work with foster
care kids. June ninth is our golf tournament this year,
all the Pro Black Desert down in Saint George, Utah.
It's awesome PGA course. Yeah, you're always in violent but

(01:48:52):
all the proceeds go to the holidays for kids that
are struggling in the process. Whatever you whether it's Hanukkah, Christmas,
whatever it is. We just try to set them up
for success during the holidays. Have awesome, awesome party at

(01:49:14):
Real Salt Lake their facilities and we get to tour
the facility and then do you know, face painting the
whole thing and have about twenty families that come the
so fun for the kids, and yeah, we'll be in
there for that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
Amazing And also Netflix is a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Yes, that's a golf tournament coming up Sherwood May fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
I think I'm playing in that. Me too, I think
I might be playing. I'm a beats your ass. You
probably will, probably will. Elite Eats, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
El Eats is back. I used to do a YouTube show.
I was like one of the first players to do
one back in the day when it was not allowed
to do, especially with Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
But who was the first, I don't know, I'm not sure.
Was it you with your was it Smoothie Time? Smoothie Time?

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
I thought you were gonna say, I don't I thought
you were gonna plug your burger one Burger time.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
It was after Time.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Smoothie Time was the first Smoothie Times Crazy and then
we did Smoothie Time with Shane Mareen. Good guy, he's
a scout. Now he's killing it, killing it. But this
Elite Eats YouTube, I saw you. You go and try it.
You go try awesome food.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Yeah, only elite food and you know, bringing it back.
Our first episode is gonna be with Fred Warner. That's
my little brother love, Fred Warner, Hall of Famer two excited.
I'm gonna do a bunch of others and I'm excited
to bring it back and hopefully we'll start getting into
different lanes, you know, comedy lane actors, actresses, you know,

(01:50:52):
want them to show off where they like to go,
eat what they think elite food is and get to
chop it up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Just for like twenty minutes, half an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
We plug the restaurant, plug whatever they're doing and you know,
make it easy, fun, chop it up kind of like this.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Well, I'll wait for my invite on that too.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Yeah, you did it, you did? Do you want to
get into it now? Hour wait sub stack, subsack. Oh, yes,
new platform that's coming out. I've really been diving into
LinkedIn and substack LinkedIn. I was able to visit their headquarters.
Me and Mendoza were the first ones to interview at

(01:51:30):
their headquarters and where we've kind of been like the
ones that have been able to be while we're currently playing,
being able to talk about our situations on the field
and able to put it in business terms. So it's
kind of opened up a lot of a lot of
doors that way. Substacks the same thing. Long form love substack.

(01:51:54):
We created this one more shot mentality. I feel like
I've always had one more shot since I've been at birth,
since being adopted. That's kind of been my mentality all
the way through life. That's why I've been That's why
I've made it twelve years in the NFL. And then
you know, with whatever it is you got going on,
whether it's on the field or off the field, it's

(01:52:15):
just having that one more shop mentality that you never
know when it's gonna come, but you always got to
prepare for it. And I just do long form writing
topics on it to be able to share my wealth
and knowledge to the world.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
He's such a veteran, now you know that's he's just
You're just a wily old vet. You know you're great
with the community. You're exploring different verticals of life. Yeah,
you're still in the league. Twelve in about to be thirteen,
about to be thirteen. Bro, it's been great catching up.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Yeah, I've been amazing. I can't wait to keep watching
you go. Yeah, until next time, Bubbs, let's get it, bubbs.

Speaker 6 (01:53:02):
Today's topic is what does an NFL offseason look like
for a player?

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
M give you an a bridged version.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
So usually you have time off after you are eliminated
till about Coachella weekend. Okay, first Coachella April fourteenth, that's
usually your like report date. I always remember that because
I never went because it was our first week back.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
I'm just gonna say, do you ever get to go
to on? It never went.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
Because you know, Coachella would have been too fund wanted
to go in turning heads with day one, Okay, so
you couldn't do that, at least I couldn't. So with
that in your your mind, you have to report the fourteenth.
So when it was Saint Patti's Day, that would be
always like my last time I get to go have fun,

(01:53:52):
and then I would train like a month before. Well,
I'd be training before then, but I would tighten it
up a month before we report.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Then you report and.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
For the first six weeks you have off season program,
which is training. So you get to the facility, there'll
be three different times you could go.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
There's run groups. You have three different run groups.

Speaker 4 (01:54:17):
And you'll run with the team for like the first
three weeks, and then you lift right after the running
or like forms of conditioning, change the direction work the
stuff that you saw Trey Hendrickson doing pushing sleds, kind
of getting you introduced into football movement. Three weeks of
that and then after that you do that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
You have three weeks of phase two is four weeks
or something where you do the same thing. You have
those two three groups, you can go run and after
that you do your lift and then after the run
on field, after week three you can have like an
hour coaching segment or peer or individual whatever time it is.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
It could be off but like so you'd start to
install certain things of the offense, the fundamental basics of
the offense. So you for receivers, I was a receiver,
we would do start installing route trees and you know,
you'd work fifteen minutes with the receivers. Then you'd work

(01:55:23):
fifteen minutes with the skill group where the you know,
the tight ends, receivers, running backs, and the quarterback would
come and we would all call a play and we
would work seven to eight plays and you do it
on air, and then you'd bring in the offense a
line for the last fifteen minutes and you would do
some kind of conditioning with that, so you do like
a no huddle condition but you're getting in reps. So

(01:55:44):
that would be another four six weeks. That's phase two
of the off season program. After that is done, you're
introduced to organized team activities, which you have like fifteen
of those, so they can spread them out out Monday Tuesday, Friday,
Monday Tuesday, Thursday, or you know, they'd give you a

(01:56:07):
break usually, but you'd have three a week for like
four weeks, and then you have your mandatory mini camp. Now,
when you're in the organized team activities, you have your
lifts and you're in probably what seven o'clock till probably
two o'clock, not even it could be even shorter than

(01:56:29):
that because there's just like one install meeting that you
have that's added into the organized team activities. So you
do everything that you did before. Now you have like
kind of like when you come to work, you meet
with the coaches more in the OTAs, you start installing offense, defense,
and certain phases of the special teams and special teams.

(01:56:52):
So like, you know, one week you would do you know,
say the first week of organized team activity. I always remember,
we would always start in the red area. So as
an offense, we would start our red area install.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
The first day.

Speaker 4 (01:57:10):
And they'd always say, so you don't get the leg
the receiver's legs tired right away because you're not used
to the running.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
It's less space.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
So we do the red area and then there would
be kickoff for that week and kick off return. So
you for that week, those three practice, those three OTAs.
You always see the schedule of the OTAs on NFL Network, Fox,
you know, ESPN. You always see when they're meeting those
three days. That's how they do it. So you then
the next week you'll you'll or it could be day

(01:57:38):
two of that week, you go into the field and
you do first and second down. Oh geez, you already
have red area, and then you install first and second
down on the field, not in the red area because
those are different strategies, not you know, not backed up.
Those are different strategies. So usually you know the twenty up,

(01:57:58):
so you can open up the play book, start to
incorporate some of the run, and then bring in the
play action. So you're working those. Then day three, you
know you can get into third down or you know,
you could just do those two and then the following
week you could introduce third down, certain situations, backed up,
certain situations two minute, four minute, those different types. That's

(01:58:22):
how those OTAs are. So then as soon as those
thirteen fifteen, whatever how many OTAs they have are finished,
you always hear about the mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
What's what's the time between those two they.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
Could be in they could be in between them. Ohmp,
mandatory camps up to the coaching staff on when they
want to have it. Okay, So but usually for us,
it would we would do all our OTAs and then
we'd have a mini camp week and then we'd have
maybe two more OTAs after that. But that would be
like the infamous like if we have a good last day,
we cut you short and you guys only have to run,

(01:58:59):
you know what I mean? Yeah, that's training camp. But
uh so, like then Mini camps is basically ot as.
You're doing all that install but you're doing a lot
more of it and it's mandatory. So you know, you're
introducing the NFL workday to these guys through OTAs mini camps.

(01:59:23):
And then after that's done, usually first week of June,
second week of June, then you're off for six weeks
until training camp. Now, in that time we're off, you
get your traveling. You can do that before the Coachella
date or you know what I mean, Like, you know
what I mean, you have those two months three months
after the season. Those are usually the travel day times

(01:59:47):
guys are traveling, getting married, trying to like those are
the designated times.

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
Trying to have kids, are trying to have the kids
come out, trying to have kids come out, come out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
Yeah, but like that's why you always see guys at wedding,
you know what I mean, Because that's the time off.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
And uh then once you get back, you're you're in.
That's the real deal.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
So those those four to six weeks that you have
after Mini camp OTAs until training camp, it's the athlete's
responsibility to stay in shape. Because you just had seven
eight weeks of off season program into organized team activities,
into mini camps to get you the foundation to go

(02:00:34):
into training camp. But a lot of guys fuck up
and they go out and they take that time and
and you know, go party this that, and don't keep
up with their running and then they come out out
of shape. So like that is the responsibility period. Now
you know you're gonna go out after the OTAs are done,
but you know you still got to get your work in. Yeah,

(02:00:56):
and you know that's that's where you know a lot
of the haze made.

Speaker 6 (02:01:04):
Well of you guys are partying and you're getting after
it like it didn't work. I mean I used to,
Don't get me wrong. I used to go go out
and have a good time.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
For sure, the older I got, the less you did
it because you saw how a fragile the time was.

Speaker 4 (02:01:18):
Because we were playing in so many late seasons, you know,
either AFC Championship, Super Bowl, AFC Championship, Super Bowl, AFC Championship,
super Bowl, whatever it was, you knew how valuable that
time was. A to reboot your battery, b bring something
new of all of your game and see heel up

(02:01:39):
and get ready for the foundation that you have to
go into a real season with.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
So like this is this is the time where you know,
some of those no name guys that you may not
know of because it was their rookie year and they
were developing a role, they can they can take a
step into becoming someone, you know, because you have the
familiarity of the off season. If you're going into year two,

(02:02:06):
year three, you know how to train your body to
get the best results by that time you've had the
data through two years or a year of doing it.
Or if you're a.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
Rookie, you get you know, an actual time to think
about football and not you know, a rookie season trying
to get your times right. This that you get into
a real NFL off season. So I mean, this is
a huge part of being a professional athlete. You got
to live, breathe, drink the game. You know, and you

(02:02:37):
know everyone always talks about like, well when did you
and you know Tom or Gronk or any of the
guys when you have your own sessions that would always
be in that six week off session in June. In
June July fourth, we win a couple of times to Montana,
you know, like those times, those were the times where

(02:02:57):
we would get together or you know, rewind before you know,
like in that March time, I remember Tom, we used
to throw a lot in that those March times to
get his arm going for the year. Or I mean
there was a couple of times in fact, like he
didn't stop and so like if I saw that from

(02:03:18):
him as a young football player, I never really stopped.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
You guys were thrown in late February.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
I think there was March March. He was always doing something.
I figured, you know, he had Alex on his arm always.
It may have been in Costa Rica, may have been
somewhere else, but he was you know, Tom was the
ultimate like professional athlete body guy because he would play
me Ronaldo's you know, you see like the messies and

(02:03:46):
those guys like Ronaldo, how he's always like lifting and
his family time is predicated around his body.

Speaker 6 (02:03:52):
Like you know, I mean it's I mean, that's why
it is, honestly like was because Tom what he would
play the entire offsea and before he even started, right like.

Speaker 1 (02:04:02):
Day by day time.

Speaker 4 (02:04:02):
Yeah, I mean I don't know like verbatim what it was,
but he had his family time. But I can assure you.
When he was with his family doing his family things,
you know he's he's working now. These pictures you see,
these are all like prehab intrinsic type things to get
you faster, quicker, more explosive. You see ab On on

(02:04:24):
the bozo ball flipped up inside down. A lot of
guys will do that for ankles. You know, you strengthen
your ankles. Ab was a Pienix Like. Ab was really
good at all this off season shit. Like he was
obsessed with it and that's why he, like you could
say what you want. That dude used to work his
tails off at like all this little shit. You know,

(02:04:46):
he had a lot of body guys. He'd always be
working on his hands, he'd be working on his feet,
he'd be he'd have these little toe things and like
that's how serious guys get. You know, obj doing beach workouts.
That's really good for stability in your knees your ankles.
Also works on your explosiveness. You look down here, you
know you got field work with probably a speed coach.

(02:05:10):
You know, there's a lot of change of direction training
where you're trying to make your body as e fishing
as possible. Like because we are. If you're playing at
this level, you're already like the most explosive crazy athlete,
but you'd be surprised on how how many guys don't
do it correctly and or just so athletically can do it.

(02:05:31):
And when you train yourself to get the technique right
on wind to explode, some guys just naturally do it.
But you could train those things and get even more explosive.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
How many years in were you like, oh, I got
this off season thing down.

Speaker 4 (02:05:44):
Never, you know, I mean, it's just always change and
doing new things.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
The very beginning part of the off season for me,
I would sit and watch all my film, every play
I played in from the whole season, whole season, scout practice.
I just want to watch, and then I would you know,
you talk with your coaches, Hey, what do you think
I need to bring to this table when you have
your exit of meeting or whatever, you know what I mean.

(02:06:13):
Even a little after that, I mean I was there
for a while, so I had a relationship with Chattio
and I would talk, you know, it would be in communication.
But yeah, you get a figure, you know, and then
then you also have other you know, adversities, you know,
sometimes you don't have an off season because you're repairing
a knee, you have rehabing groins, you're you know, so

(02:06:37):
like there's a lot the off season always changes. I
just got to go with the right mindset that you
can't just waste your fucking time and like think that
you're gonna get better doing nothing and like go travel
the world. Like yeah, go travel, go do what you want.
But remember we're put on this fucking earth to play
football at a very high level. And if you're not

(02:06:58):
doing something, I guarantee there's fun twenty other kids that
are trying to get your job that are because I
was that kid.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
I remember one off season I went and trained with
Jerry's trainer, Jerry Rice's trainer, Jerry Junior, for like a
few days. We went to Foothill and like.

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
Jerry used to run. I mean, I think I did
pretty well in the workout. It was it wasn't crazy,
but like just like you know, his warm up was
eight hundreds. Just that was the warm up down back
eight times on a field on a field. Wow, just
let that. And then we were doing like track workouts
where we were doing like I want to say, three

(02:07:38):
hundreds on the track. Then we did some tire jump stuff,
then we'd ran routes after.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
It was like, you know, it was that, that's it was.
It was cool. Shit how much I wouldn't say was
it watching Jerry Rice run round?

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
He didn't. It was Jerry Junior and Jerry's trainer. Okay, okay,
I didn't. Jerry wasn't out there.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
I home recently on on social running up the chasing
a dog or something. I'm like, this motherfucker's still running.
Jerry never get caught from behind, Jerry never gets came
from mind. What is uh?

Speaker 6 (02:08:11):
I was trying to man and I'm now I'm thinking
an exit interview, Like Jules, I know we're wrapping this up,
but like pretend i'm you you just balled out, had
a great season.

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
We'll say you called ninety something balls. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:08:22):
You go in your cheddio right now, like and I
say Jetty, like what do I need to work on
the off season?

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
What would what would he say?

Speaker 4 (02:08:27):
Well, even if you balled out, you know, you still
had maybe a couple of drops, you still had you
missed a No matter what, there's always something to work on.
Oh yeah, he's great as signmons, certain routes that you

(02:08:48):
may have went too quick on. Uh you know, so
it'd be stuff chatty, would you know, hey, look great year,
fucking awes some you know, but we could do this.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
I mean they'd pull up the numbers. Nice ye.

Speaker 4 (02:09:06):
I ain't come into this with no fucking with no nothing,
have fun.

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
See yeah, none of that beating.

Speaker 4 (02:09:13):
Well yeah, the off season that's where this isn't This
is the I I I missed the off season almost
as much as I missed playing wow, because that was
your alone time. That was your alone time to get yourself,
and I used to take it, Siria. I would go

(02:09:33):
into I would go into fucking April fourteenth in shape,
like a lot of motherfuckers were coming in out of
shape and stuff. I went in because I remember early
in my career, I had to turn heads day one
in order for the coaches to recognize me. Or I
was just terrified and I kept that I you know
what I mean, Older you get, you know you could

(02:09:54):
run as much, but you know that time you have
to yourself to work on it. And then when you
get to see it against other people, and you saw
the work you put in was there, and you see
the progress that I loved that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
Then you got Hogues come in and who was all young,
bringing in his energy. And that was always a cool
thing too, because you would go do your work and
then you would see how the other guys were working.
Measuring stick, measuring stick, you know, and then you know,
a young Hogan came in and he was Hogan was
like a gazelle, workout warrior guy, and that I was
always the rabbit. It was me and Slate and Ebner,

(02:10:39):
you know, in the off season, Rex Rex Briquette, he
was always pretty, you know, in the top echelon Brandon Bolden,
you know, and I remember the first, you know, off
season when Hogs came and this guy was flying. He
you know, he he signed him to a decent little contract,
and you know, this was like his first big opportunity.

(02:11:00):
He came in with the bang, and it helped us
all because then you know, you got to bring up
your game even more.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Rising Tide lifting them both.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
He got them long legs. We're doing them fucking bats
bout runs. You got to run three minutes and you
gotta get seven hundred and eighty yards. Geez, did you
do those right away? No, it's like a condition one
of the conditionings. But like those, we're we're sprinters. Yeah,
so those are hard for us. We're because you got
to stay in average like sixteen miles an hour to
get that. God so, and when you turn and stop

(02:11:28):
and turn around, it's not like you're just going in
a circle. You gotta fucking rev down, rev back up,
you know. And there'd be guys crying be included on
some of these.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
Oh goshuck, last one, last one. I think I know
the answer to this one.

Speaker 6 (02:11:46):
What was the longest amount of time you went in
the offseason without doing something football related?

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
Like jee like, you know, by the end, I didn't
even take time off.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
I was just gonna say I didn't think it'd be
really yeah, and it wasn't like super hard work, but
it was like, you know, I would go to exos
just to catch balls or just to get my body
moving pinny in the jar or something.

Speaker 2 (02:12:13):
Every day.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
You know, you just some kind of like some kind
of what is it, I forgot what it's called active recovery, Okay,
you know what I mean, where you're doing some some
kind of pool work, you're doing some kind of bike
work just to keep the legs moving, not not working them,

(02:12:36):
but keeping keeping them, keeping them going, because you the
older I got.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
Like when I was younger, I would go out after
like my first year or my second year, go out,
and it was like a tour to see all your
friends who were like regular corporate life, you know what
I mean. They're all like working and stuff, and you don't.
You're you're doing your own time. You're doing your own stuff,
so there's a lot of free time. It's your first
time not in college or anything. So like you know,

(02:13:05):
you go out and you get hammered and you get
so out of shape. It take you so long to
get back in shape that I hate. I never wanted
to do that again. I feel that better to keep
me catch up. Oh what a game.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
Oh Kyle, that's cool seeing you guys catch up. We
haven't seen each other in a long time.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
It's always nice when someone can corroborate or you know,
poke some holes into the stories that you tell.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
Often here, that was the first day, first off. It
wasn't week three.

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
It was day number one, I specifically remember, and I
lit his ass up on a rup. Okay, we're supposed
to a yard because he was he was going to
try to get James in the backfield, said, let me
get this my duty out here.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
You're supposed to do baby with any yard.

Speaker 4 (02:13:54):
He's such a but he's such an instinctive football player.
I mean, you watch him and from this point set
a bowl game. That's how he played in the league.
Literally in different spots. That's how we used him. It
was cool to see how much, you know, it's cool
to see how little someone how it's cool to see
how little something that came out of Bill meant to guys. Oh,

(02:14:19):
it's insane. That's that's that kind of aura and stints
with you.

Speaker 6 (02:14:23):
And it's also a pretty telling of what an insanely
good coach Scar is. That Scar, he was an offensive
line coach. And when you said best Scar, immediately guy
was on the other side of the bike.

Speaker 4 (02:14:34):
That's incredible and so cool that he said that. Because
I always talk about remember the difference between a good
coach and a you know, a bad coach, and I
gave that specific example where you can hear how Scar
would say, Hey, you put your left hand under his
chest plate, you drop your way. You give that one
like is he had of all the techniques and what

(02:14:54):
you do to win, you know, instead of just saying
we gotta do better.

Speaker 6 (02:14:58):
Yeah yeah, Like, man, that's what separates the good from
the great man. That's incredible. Scar put him in the
Hall of Fame. He put him in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
He's definitely and he's he's done so much for the
sport of the people don't realize. He started at EUOP
University of Pacific, which had an insane If you look
at those I think there's some like coaches that came
out of there.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
Gruden came out of there. I want to say, who
else came out did?

Speaker 6 (02:15:28):
Did Wall? No Pacific? Ste Carroll was a Pacific Carroll.
There's got to be some good who else.

Speaker 5 (02:15:38):
Scott Boris went there, Damian Lee, Curtis, p Carroll, Dave
brew Beck. They got a big jazz school at the
University of Pacific.

Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
Gruden, who comes flores not who went there? Who coached there?

Speaker 5 (02:15:51):
While Jack's looking up, they're using the new show The
Rooster with Steve Carroll, with Steve Carrell, there's like supposed
to be a new England college. They film a lot
of it there and I was shocked because it looks
very new Englanding.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
They make it look.

Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
So Chuck Shelton, Walt Walt Harris, Bob Cope, Bob Toledo,
Chester Katis, Homer Smith, Doug Scoville, Don kempor and now
we're back in the sixties and coaches for this.

Speaker 1 (02:16:23):
He was a non head coach. What what coaches coached at?
There's like there was like a huge group of guys
that have coached there. I want to say more on
my tripping. No, you're not. I'm just trying to find
the exact list. Pete Carroll, Tom Flores, John Gruden, Hughes Jackson,

(02:16:43):
Bruce Classett, Buddy Ryan, and Mike Martz pre don't you
good for a school?

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
This as a Pacific Dante Scarneck, Yo, Brad Seeley, ed Dantell,
Greg Robinson, Rod and.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
Pete Gerret was just a student there, just a la.
They didn't coach. Then Gruden was the mid eighties grad assistant.
Hugh Jackson was.

Speaker 5 (02:17:09):
There late eighties, Hum Floorda, Derek Eckerson was late seventies assistant.
Bob Toledo head coach later UCLA coach. Yeah, Jim Moore
was an assistant in the sixties, senior not junior Greg
Olsen played.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Greg Robinson, defensive coordinator for Broncos during two Super Bowl wins.

Speaker 5 (02:17:28):
Joe Tigers, look at that, you got a crazy I
know some guys that were on the jazz department University
of Pacific.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
In fact, it has a good jazz department.

Speaker 5 (02:17:39):
Yeah, because Dave Brubeck went there, and I think since
then it's kind of become a jazz school.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
I didn't even know what UOP was. It's in Stockton, right, Yeah,
it's that area for sure. They had UC Davis over there.
That was always an agriculture school, like all the farmers
and stuff. I think farm tech.

Speaker 6 (02:18:00):
History of Man. You know, a whole episode on the
history of coaching at the Pacific, Sacramento and Stockton. It's
like they might have some stuff around both.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
Yeah, sack.

Speaker 5 (02:18:11):
Three things before we wrap the show. One, we gotta
get Stepan Gilmour on the show. You gotta get Gilly
and now he's retired.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
So I've been talking with Yeah, but he's in time.
We should get him.

Speaker 4 (02:18:22):
He's been.

Speaker 1 (02:18:24):
He just moves different.

Speaker 2 (02:18:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:18:26):
Two is we've been pronounced pronouncing point seta wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
It's point Seattle. I've been pronouncing it wrong. Oh you
guys have ja is always saying point, yeah, yeah, whatever point.

Speaker 5 (02:18:42):
I always thought mischievous, mischievous, mischievous. I always pronounced it mischievous,
but it's I guess it's mischievous.

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
Oh that's a that's a tomato, tomato. I don't think
it is mischievous. Yeah, that's what I always said. But
then is that place called in the south of France
is a con or? Can think it's cann dance? Can
Tim had a film that was in there?

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (02:19:03):
Say it? Can? What will Johnny Drammas say? That's th
people who want to sound like they're saying it French? Yeah, Dan, yeah,
can I have well? Yeah, one more thing? What do
you have done? Forever? D yu soaking soking?

Speaker 4 (02:19:22):
We didn't ask him about that, Yeah, I withheld.

Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
I'm sorry. I was being a gentleman. Can't get to
Mormon on it? Yeah, he is a Mormon, right, I think.

Speaker 6 (02:19:30):
But I don't know how like I don't you know,
I don't know. I don't want to get.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
Jim McMahon being in his Mount rushmars atone. That was
pretty good winking and that was pretty good, dude, I mean,
is is Jim McMahon Mormon.

Speaker 6 (02:19:41):
No, No, that was the thing. He was like an
Irish guy out there, Irish Catholic guy. Yeah, McMahon, Yeah
from Uh where's he from again? I should know this.
I want to say, like somewhere in the northeast.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
Yeah, Jersey. He's a Jersey Oh my god, out there.

Speaker 3 (02:19:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
He looks in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
So cool dude all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:20:02):
Man, just absolutely slanging that thing. Jimmer. I like the
Jimmer mentioned. I wanted to ask him if they hung
out to me. I know, we'll be right back after
this quick break. How about the Jimmer treatment?

Speaker 3 (02:20:12):
Vain?

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
Wait, not even going to class. Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (02:20:16):
I mean, his advisor said he was failing, so maybe
he didn't anything. You actually were supposed to go. You
don't get the Jimmer treatment. You did have that treatment,
you need to go. Oh that was hilarius.

Speaker 6 (02:20:30):
We said, yeah, you're like the big guy in the
biginn on campus.

Speaker 4 (02:20:33):
Yeah, I was, dude, damn right, So I forgot about
that that we traded Jamie when he got there.

Speaker 1 (02:20:41):
Yeah, that must have been tough, and everyone was like,
damn this guy. It was like a holy shit moment,
and now I.

Speaker 6 (02:20:49):
Was not I mean I know it was not to
pride here, but like Jamie cons that well loved in
the locker room like that.

Speaker 4 (02:20:55):
I mean, we won a Super Bowl, and like he
came in with High and and and Couarity, they all
came in at like kind of near those same time.
McCarty was like the first with the ten and then
I think High and Jamie were both twelve.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
Yeah, you know what I mean. We build a lot
of sweat equity with a lot of guys, you know,
so I could see that scenario being very well true.

Speaker 4 (02:21:21):
No, I'm with him. That's more on the defense. I
was more on the offense. We were still like Jamie
whe where the fuck is he going? But you know,
Jamie outplayed the contract, you know what I mean, and
he wanted to get paid at the athlete.

Speaker 5 (02:21:35):
I remember exactly where I was when Jamie Collins got
to Cleveland, right, Yeah, we were hanging at your house
and Marty Bennett was there. And the reason why I
remember it is because he was eating pizza backwards and
I'll never fucking forget it. I would only eat the crust,
and he said his wife would eat the middle of
the pizza. I just I can never I think about
that off the team player.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
That's a good team as a good husband. That's my
Roman empire. He been. I love that, you know what
I on the show. You know his brother, but not him.

Speaker 4 (02:22:07):
Party ain't never been on Crazy right. Got to get
Marty be in here, like I thought he was already on.
We've talked to he's been in games we've covered, I
mean of multiple teams. What about uh hey, here's a
question I had during the show, went on to name
names here we're talking about guys you buddied up with,
who big bros?

Speaker 6 (02:22:24):
Who'd you click with? And of course Slate came up.
Did Slate have any ops? What do you mean like
on the team? Like, was there anyone that like Slate
just never got on opponent? Like a yeah, your opposition.
You guys are on, bro, Like, were there any of
those like these guys Slay and him got beef, never
worked out.

Speaker 4 (02:22:45):
I don't know if Slate Slave doesn't. I don't think
hated anyone. I was gonna say, because he's the nicest. Ever,
if there was like a guy that came on that
was maybe a knucklehead, you know, he would frown upon.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
Nuclei.

Speaker 4 (02:23:01):
You know what I mean, I'm with that, but like
the guy that was Knucklehead would even act straight or
around Slate.

Speaker 1 (02:23:07):
Right, that's that's value. Yeah. So like.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
Slate was kind of like the team chaplain. Even though
we had guys and we had chaplains and fathers and rabbi,
we all had you know, in the coaches.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
The team rabbi. Yeah that was Julian Rabbi Hamilton dog
shout out, all right, let's rapt this. That was awesome.
I loved Kyle, he was the man. Also, the you're
thirteen loading, let's go went left announced back. Oh yeah, yeah, hiatus,
let's go. Oh we needed That's one of those classic

(02:23:46):
Bowl games.

Speaker 6 (02:23:47):
Man, you don't name it after some corporate front, after
a flower, after a commodity.

Speaker 5 (02:23:52):
It went away because San Diego wanted to focus on
the Holiday Bowl, which also.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
Yeah, I forgot about the Holiday Bolt.

Speaker 6 (02:24:00):
You got your roses, you got your cotton, got your oranges.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
Yeah, but does the Orange and Tangerine.

Speaker 4 (02:24:06):
Yes, had no teams in San Diego no more, I
know ri ip man, so they.

Speaker 1 (02:24:12):
Hey, put some respect on the Aztec's name.

Speaker 4 (02:24:14):
So they gotta but still fighting pro teams. It brings
in revenue. They're probably like, damn, we need to get
that revenue back. Let's get two bowl games out here.

Speaker 1 (02:24:23):
Miss Qualtcom.

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
Dude, is Qualcom still there? They need to put it on.
Diego needs to have a team, man, they really do.
I don't know if it's still standing. I want to
say no. I thought I just remember the Chargers fans.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
They demolished.

Speaker 4 (02:24:39):
What they put there.

Speaker 1 (02:24:40):
Because the new one, the snap Dragon. I don't know
if it's on the same side or not snap crack.

Speaker 6 (02:24:46):
I wonder they were having like heat strokes out there
because there's like absolutely no coverage.

Speaker 1 (02:24:51):
I'm on Google aerial view.

Speaker 6 (02:24:54):
Oh adjacent kaya it looks like here it was built
adjacent to where it.

Speaker 5 (02:24:58):
Looks like there's an empty parking. It's not the orange
lot for the snap Dragon stadium.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
What's the nap Dragon? That's the corporate sponsor? Snap Dragon?
Is the state a snap Dragon state plays?

Speaker 5 (02:25:11):
There's also s San Diego FC is a MLS.

Speaker 6 (02:25:14):
Team, oh WelCom snap Dragon processors high performance arm based
systems on chip s o c S powering smartphones, tablets, windows, laptops,
integrating CPU, GPU and AI capabilities.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
The MLS is it is it growing?

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:25:29):
My?

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
God, yeah, my Major League soccer. Yeah yeah, I mean
there's talking of Nemar joining Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (02:25:36):
Yikes, that'd be insane if you got Naymartist Cincinnati.

Speaker 6 (02:25:39):
Can you imagine am just sitting down at the skyline Chile?
Unbelievable or a gold star or goldmar which are you? Yeah,
gold star guy here, skyline guy. I mean it does
kind of strike me as a gold striking.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Yeah. We saw yesterday Kentucky. He was over hit over
the bridge. Yeah, he's over there. It out like a
horse ranch or something. Oh my gosh, that would be
something twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (02:26:06):
Man, all that's all. That's right, shout out. I never
thought And that was a fun episode. Go down that
memory lane. Thanks again to Kyle Van Noyd. Check him
out on all his things. He's got going.

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