Mitch Morse on the 13 Seconds Game | 2021 AFC Divisional Chiefs vs. Bills - Games with Names

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
January twenty third, twenty twenty two, Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, missour.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
After the third lead change. In the waning moments, the
Bills capture the lead, but.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
When things look grim, Pat Mames is the grim Reaper.
This is the thirteen second game. Oh that was second?
That sounds cool. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman,

(00:39):
They're Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to
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(01:04):
we are looking at the thirteen second game, the twenty
twenty one AFC Divisional round between the Bills and Chiefs,
with Mitch Morse. Mitch, in one sentence, why did you
pick this game?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
And I'm regretting the decision right now, to be honest,
why did I pick this game? I don't like myself
very much and I enjoy inflicting pain when I can,
and this game is painful.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sounds like an alignment to me. It sounds like alignment
right there. You know, they don't enjoy anything but pain.
It seems like, well it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
In more than a sentence, dude, Like, no matter what
side of the ball you were on in this one
pragmatically or you take a step back and you look
at it just objectively, it was just a good game. Yeah,
it was a good game. And you know, like you
you were talking about the off the air on the air,
like it interjected conversations that changed the landscape of I mean,

(02:18):
at least playoff football, right, And yeah, does it suck
ass to be on the other side of it? Sure blows.
But you know it's one of those games that you'll
be able to tell your kids about. And even when
you look back at it and watch the game, it
can you still feel the energy. You know, there's a
few games you look at from your pass and they
were setting. They played such a pivotal role and not

(02:39):
developing not only developing you as a player, but it's
kind of the team as a whole that you can
put yourself in that position like, oh, I remember kind
of how this air even felt, or the crowd or
the little nuances that for ninety percent of the games
that you lose. I can put myself in that game
right now. How you felt the moment, the ebbs and flows,

(03:01):
all of it.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
It. Uh, it was extraordinary. It just sucked ass that
it ended. I mean, it's an instant classic for sure.
I mean, I'm so excited to get into it. We'll
get into a little later. But is this the greatest
game of all time?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I know Bill Bird doesn't believe it is, and he doesn't,
and I know one of you, two guys hate this
game too.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'm a lover, you're a lover.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, I know it's painful though, I know it's painful.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Though no pain is good.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
We were just talking about pains pure. You learn a
lot about yourself through it. Do I think it's the
greatest game of all time?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No? Probably not what it is, dude.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And another one that I was a part of that
You were part of that twenty eighteen AFC Championship game.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was a big one.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
But I mean this might have been one of the
more pivotal games I've been a part of, maybe one
of the greater games.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, what a guy he brings up two games,
what a what a ball lover he brings up two
games ball lover ball and understands the magnitude of two
insanely great games that he was on the losing side,
but being able to compartmentalize. Sure, sure, for the sake

(04:15):
of the game. Yeah, and take a step back and see,
that's fucking that's nine men, mental toughness, doing what's best
for the sport when it's not necessarily best for your
love it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, we'll also get into it here, but that's also
what gave you that uneasy feeling. Yeah, right, because that game,
it was a very the AFC Championship game. I know
you guys have talked about it in nausey back in
twenty eighteen, but like, it was a very one sided contest.
You guys, there was pretty much y'all's game in that
first half, and then there was a back and forth
ebbs and flows, and then it was to the point
where we had to go down on the chiefs that

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man with thirty seconds left or so to send it
over time too. So you're sitting there on the sidelines
of this one, and the sidelines you know, rightfully, so
the human experience, right like the ebbs and flows of
this game, the emotionally charge you think you have it
in the bag to a certain extent, but there is
that like weird kind of tingling, uneasy feeling because you know,

(05:07):
especially dude, we did the ship three years ago on
the other sideline.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Fuck, dude, shit, it sucks. But the only reason we
talk about that game so much, twenty eighteen AFC Championship
between the Patriots and Chiefs is because the respect factor
for your team that you were on at that point
in your career, the Chiefs was so high. You guys
were the new the new girl in school. You guys

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were the prom king queen, whatever you want, whatever, the
highest of the high. We were the old farts, just
trying to scrap away and try to keep the glory
as long as we could. Hey, do you touch that ball? No?
I didn't. No, I really didn't. I mean it really
didn't matter. We threw a pick the next play. We
threw a pick the very next play ball. I mean,

(05:55):
fall definitely lied. So you retire last year. What are
we up to these days? Dude?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
You're looking at it. One of my favorite pastimes is
just sitting down. I fucking love it. I dig it,
and so I'm doing a lot of that. But truthfully, dude, Like,
I don't know, are you trying to try not to
keep an idle mind? You're talking about this but having
full autonomy of your time is trying to be a
dad Yet the same time, like what fills your cup up?

(06:22):
And to a certain extent, you're still trying to figure
that out. But I do enjoy this space, the media space,
And that being said, it's been a humbling experience and
that gives a negative connotation at times. It's you know,
we talk about pain as you're learning. You're learning so
much about yourself the space. But like the art of conversation,
like just the chewing the fat, I love it. It

(06:44):
fills my proverbial cup up. I dig it. So we're
just gonna give it a go, and if it doesn't
work out, I'll go home, sit down some more and
march on.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Man. You know what, it's it's funny that you say
it's humbling, and I feel I felt the same feeling
when I jumped into this space for the first time
that I felt when I jumped into the Patriots locker
room for the first time. Anytime something new is coming
in to your life, it's gonna feel outrageously uncomfortable. It's

(07:14):
gonna feel humbling. And just like in football, the more
reps you have at it, oh the better you're gonna be,
no doubt. So everything like the more when I started
realizing that when I retired, Like we were talking earlier,
we were herded cattle for our whole life, since we

(07:34):
were probably eight to ten years old. Get up, go
to school, go to practice, play on the weekend the game.
It's the same thing when you get to professional sports
is you're going to school for football, then you practice,
then you go and you do it over and over
every single day. Now when you get out of the league.
We were given the schedule our whole life. We were

(07:56):
given the routine and we were able to doll it
up to our you know, individual specifics. But once you
get out, it's about making your routine. You know, That's
what we were talking about. And right now, you know,
it's gonna feel weird because you've you were institutionalized for
since you were probably fourteen years old when you first

(08:16):
started playing football, because that template has been the same
since for twenty five years of your life. So you know,
it's that that uncomfort of getting into something new that
we all feel once we get out. So brother, you're
in the same boat everyone else. Yeah, which is really
nice to hear.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
But it's that pendulum swing, right because you yearned for
the thought of not having that structure. Yeah, like, I
can't wait for that first training camp where it's just
a Tuesday. I can wake up and you know, do whatever.
But the pendulum swinging back, and it's it's been great
because you realize, like I think, once you come back
from there, truly where your heart of heart lies and

(08:57):
that is having that structure.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And so we're just going out and the fly. Dude,
I love it. I love it. So you grew up
in Austin, Texas to talk to us about Austin, Texas
and where the love of football came from in your life.
Was it high school there?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, you know it was high school because football for me,
it really didn't come to the fold till high school.
I mean big guys, yeah, they're big. No one, no one,
No one grows up wanting to be an offensive lineman either.
Let's just be honest, you know, you said at some point,
and that kind of goes through with why we were
talking kind of fun and everyone all the lineman enjoy pain,
or there's a self deprecating bunch or you know, because

(09:30):
everyone's dream was crushed unless you were just one of
those like super hefty kiddos. There's like, if you want
to be on this field, you're going to at a
young age strap it up. But uh and I did
flag football, which is smooth man like, but you had
the ball. You're just a receiver quarterback and then you
have the kids blocking with the old nineteen sixties arms.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Austin itself is just kind of I don't know if
you spent spend any time on mine. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's got a good funky heartbeat. Yeah, like a blue
speck in a red and uh, you know it's still
too its core a really good funky town. Cost of
living has gone up, like any place worth living. Uh,
you know, the hippie smell a little bit better than
they used to, but you know, Grandma is still smoking

(10:14):
skunky weed in the park. You can smell it when
you're taking a walk. And it's just good folks, good soul.
But sports are still very prevalent. I mean, University of
Texas's interjects energy into that that town, which is you know,
whatever not the biggest longhorn fan. Now be growing up,
you know, you bleed burn orange and I went to

(10:35):
a smaller high school where they gave you an opportunity.
I did you remember the first time you put your
You used to have those big hit pagh pads and
these things are I mean they felt about too they
fell about half the size. And then I remember sitting
there not knowing where to put your pads in, and
you're trying to put your hip pack. This doesn't feel
right and you're the tailbone pad. They're like, how the
hell do you weave that with this very strange rope?

(10:55):
And uh, but I remember instantly you feel it. Man,
You feel that you know to be like weirdly cliche
or all that stuff, but there is something. It hits
you in the soul, not not the physicality of it all,
but just the camaraderie of it, like suffering with your buddies.
Even at that young age, suffering. You didn't really know
the definition of it, right, but there's powerful and you

(11:18):
gravitate towards it. And then that turned into kind of
you know, you just stature grows. I grew about four
or five inches, gained about fifty sixty pounds and then
so the opportunities present itself. But you know, there's some
dudes in the locker room that they had this vision
from the jump of the jump. I wanted to be
an NFL football player, and my football career is about

(11:38):
as least sexy as possible. It was just like it was,
and the next step was just a happy coincidence along
the way of trying to do it right at the time,
and that kind of got me through until and then
once it got to the point of like the NFL,
it was just being at the right place at the
right time. You got Pat or you got Alex Smith,
who taught you how to be a pro. You had
Pat who I mean, it was just lightning at a

(12:01):
bottle what she thought, and then it just exploded to
this unbelievable consistency of just being a tremendous football Player's
Pat Smith, Pat Mahons, Alex Smith. Then you go to Buffalo,
you have to chase the cheese, and then you find
out that the culture is amazing and that Josh is
this prolific football player, and then you're just along for
the ride.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So I know that kind of went off the cusp there,
but football has been it's been great. But it was
just kind of a happy coincidence. Man Texas high school
football insane. I wanted to jump into that, but you
already just brought it up. Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, the
Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
What a what a what a trio? What a what
a blessing to have those types of quarterbacks? What were
the main differences of those two are those three? Yeah? Hair, probably.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You don't forget about Trevor. Larren's in there.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Die totally forgot Trevor. And And I do believe I'm
not just saying this because I was with the guy.
I loved the dude. I do think he's on the
cusp of finding that. You know, those quarterbacks as really
good was They have that freak switch. It kind of
goes and it manifests itself in different ways. It's not
this raw, raw thing, but it's this time. It's just
this moment where no matter the moment, especially the big ones,
everything seems to calm down. They step in that huddle

(13:15):
and when they're relaying the play call, it's just like,
what are the formation? All this stuff? And then they
look at the position that it be a little reminder. Oh,
you just feel it, and he's got he's got it, singletary,
look to scan on this one. Maybe watch to watch
the scan. That's the best, you know, that's that's the
good one.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
What you're saying basically is in the high stress environments,
the great quarterbacks they don't act any different now. They
seem to calm down. They exactly. It's because they've done
it in their head a million times. And it's just
and I try to put myself in that position. And
maybe it's just because I'm a manic weirdo, but like
for me, and it's such a calming presence, especially the quarterback.

(13:54):
And that being said, we'll go back to your original
question of those guys and their differences. I mean, Alex
was one of those guys. He was year twelve or
maybe year eleven when I come in as a rookie
center and the patients he had as a dude, who
I mean, I played tackle and the SEC. But the

(14:15):
Missouri was coming from the Big twelve where it was
we had these like five foot splits. We had just
started doing free point stances when I got there. And
I remember for your first nine on seven, especially goal
line or short yardage. I'm seeing dudes I don't even know,
Like I know, you could put more than six people
in the box, and now that's not up, you know.
And so the patients he had, the patients that Andy had,

(14:35):
and but he was by far the freakiest competitor I've
been around. Alex had to talk about that freak switch.
He'd walk in there and he would just lose his mind.
And the best way constructively, you feel like, oh man,
this is what makes him tick. This is why he
is who he is. And then Pat comes in and
this is baby Pat. This is baby Pat, Baby Pat.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
He gets drafted in twenty seventeen, Air Apparent to Alex,
and he's an unbelievable teammate from the jump right, I'm
sure you've spent time with Patty's he saw it as
a rock. And then in twenty eighteen he comes in,
it's his team and he starts hot. That week one,
we play San Diego in the soccer stadium here, which

(15:18):
is a kind of a fun experience. He goes and
then it's just week after week we're waiting for the
other shoot to drop and he doesn't. Now, I've never
seen a dudes life change more from week one to
week sixteen from the outside world, right, and he just
stayed the same, dude. And I always thought that it
was going to carry him into being just not only
a good player, but just a great teammate.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right then you get traded and you sign a fat
contract or he didn't get traded, you sign a huge
contract forty five million, Yeah I paid Yeah, No, that
was that was smithed a buy low bills baby. And
you're you're kind of introduced to this guy who's a
freak of an athlete in Josh Allen. What's his difference?

(15:57):
What makes him tick? You know?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Here?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And he's kind of people say he's like a puppy dog.
I'm sure you've spent a whole time with Josh.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I haven't really, boy, Okay, I grind for those guys.
That's a Logan Macs tight and you guys, that's Logan
Mankins shot Logan Mankins. Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Not to get off track, I had dinner with one
of your ex teammates last night, Ryan Wendell.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Fucking Wendy.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I know Wendy's I don't have you seen him recently.
He's thin, he looks he's got like veins in his arms.
Of course, I'll tell you one thing about Wendy. He's
a book guy, right, sure, love that. Loved being a
book guy.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
But when you share a house with someone you can't
read in the communal TV room, we used to fight.
He was sit there with this after It's like six
o'clock in the afternoon. We just got motherfucked for twelve hours.
I want to go play some FIFA. This guy's reading
a book on the fucking FIFA.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
He's so he came in and then we'll yeah, I know,
we're all over the place. I'm sorry, Well, I had
to talk to you about Wendy. Wendy so his first
year of coaching he took his hiatus, was my first
year in Buffalo, and we like, so I'm looking for
places to stay, you know, love Buffalo is not too
many spots to stay, no family. So we just got

(17:14):
a little duplex or we stayed in one of the
sides of the new plex. Turns out I share a
wall with Ryan Wendell his family. He's got a young family.
I think he had just had one of his kiddos.
Not yet too, Meredith, I'm sure you get yeah, fucking awesome. Awesome,
and he was an assistant coach. But like I remember
after games, we'd go hang out in my garage. He'd
come over with Meredith and we just drink beers and

(17:35):
and like there was a first coach I had that
was able to And I think this is true for
like guys who played and know it. It's like we're
gonna like inside the building, we'll have a good working
relationship and that's that. And but then also like we're
all humans, let's have a relation, like just a good
fellowship of camaraderie. And he was the first coach I
really had that was able to marry that.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't know what that's like. Yeah, yeah, I'm joking.
I'm joking.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, no, no, I know, you guys had a good
thing going on. But he was so of course he
was there. But also getting to Buffalo. Yeah, I mean
we had seen Josh in twenty eighteen. He had come
in a little bit and played against Minnesota and did
this like hurdle in Minnesota over this guy, and the
whole league saw that. So you saw this kid, that kidney,

(18:23):
this dude had spunk, right, and then you find out
that just he is the best. They're really good players,
like those superstars not only have that all at factor playing,
but they take the time. And I think this is
a special attribute to have as a football player, especially
at that caliber. I'm sure I've heard Tom had this too, right,

(18:44):
you take the time no matter who you are, if
you're the multi million dollar football dude, you know, player
in the league or locker room rather, or you're the
dude who's the undrafted guy who's you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Only gonna be there for the third tight end in
the thirteen personnel group that you needed to get that
one fucking play, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
And he takes a time to foster relationships with those
dudes and even in your subconsciously feel like, hey, I
got a piece of the piet Man. I got it
with Josh and and then his house would always be
the place we'd go to. He built this sweet pad
in Buffalo, and and that's another happy coincidence because then
he quarterback. Much like any position, it's just time on task.

(19:25):
We were talking about it, retirement, time on task, playing
football time on task, and especially at that position where
so much information is coming at you at any given
moment and you have to quiet your mind for the
little things, but you have to be the master of
this whole offense. Right, he starts figuring it out and
you're along for it and he's testing things out. Yeah,
he might throw something here there. That said, he rarely

(19:47):
makes the same mistake twice, and that manifests into I mean,
now we're seeing you know, he's already won one MVP
and he's just it was so solid. I was such
a breath of fresh aired. And not only they had
such a good culture in that building that you know,
not much else is going on Buffalo, So it's really
just you feel like the camaraderie with the team, I
assume a little bit similar with the Pats, right, Like

(20:10):
there's something special because where we are, like this building
has a little bit of different heartbeat. And at the helm,
we got a guy who would put his body you know,
you hear people say he'd put his body out on
the line. The dude does not give a shit about
his body when he's playing football. It's infuriating, but it's
just it's such a rallying cry for a team and
he's got it.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Man, We'll be right back after this quick break. It's
a breath of fresh fresh air. To hear that two
of the greats in our sport have that kind of mentality,
and it's not a coincidence. You know, all the great quarterbacks,
they're great teammates, you know, you hear the ones that
will consistently be great for a long time. Everyone can

(20:54):
mess around and have a good year or two, but
it's you see it. You know, it's the eq of
those guys that makes everyone want to fight for them.
It's when your highest paid player making the most money,
the biggest name, is also working the hardest. That's the formula.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
And these dudes like like I think of Tom and
I assume if Pat and uh Josh want to do this,
they're gonna have this huge, illustrious career and they might
be with one team, but they're gonna have different iterations
of that team. And it's got to be exhausting to
think about that, and like a stance, like every season

(21:32):
feels like a lifetime and every season you have your
relationships and stuff, and they're gonna do this what fifteen
twenty times if they want to, but they still do it.
It's a special thing, man, it really is.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
You gotta be a kind of a serial killer. Yeah,
legit bro. Like, the compartmentalization of these guys is outrageous
because you know, just like you're talking about with Pat
and you know and Josh, these guys are great teammates
and their killers on the field, but then they're like
great dudes off the field, and they do it all

(22:05):
day long. They continue to do it. You gotta have
you gotta be missing something now because there's fucking nuts. Now,
let's talk about being retired old lineman. What what does
a dinner look like with a retired old layman versus
a dinner look like with the guy that's active three fifty? Yeah, humping.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well, actually I got beef with Wendy because I was
I was been pretty good recently, but and he's this
scale little dude. Now he brought the he brought the
old inner lineman, freaky ass dinner out where it was.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Just possibly because I got he cook. No, you guys
went out. Hell we went out. Uh where do you
guys go for it?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's like a place called Ganage or something. Uh I
could I think I totally fucked that up, but something.
It's like a pasta place. It's one of those cool
places where you walk in and the meat lockers right
there immediately.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Nice even know it's gonna slap right a little, but
I'm late.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So he's like, I'm ordering your food and uh, the
go fellas, and he just this fat fucking plate of
pasta and this huge steak we're all sharing, and I'm
sitting there and I'm just it hasn't changed as much
as you think. It's the little things, like for me,
just trying to like what carbs you put in there?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Right? So I didn't.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I gave so much shit to people who are like
their granoli like drinking water out of, you know, a
glass bottle. I'm just like kick rocks and then you're
in it, yep, and I'm like weirdly into it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Right. I even did the like not burning fucking eight
thousand calories anymore every day now it's like fruit. You
try to slam fruit potato cheese. Yeah, Wendy brought it out.
Fuck him.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Actually he's why he's the man. But yeah, that takes
a bit because you've told your body for so long
like hey man, you got it. You got to keep
this up, and then once you hit thirty, it's like
I did. Cool, here's your wish, best of luck, and
then you're done and the stress of it all. Like
the thing that really got me was when I was

(24:09):
playing and I didn't even really notice it. It was
like I'd wake up to pee every night and then
I just find myself eating peanut butter, and I'm like,
why the helme eating peanut butter is like, I don't
know how the helmet the block owndonald on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Now, how much have you lost weight? Like but thirty pounds?
Maybe that's just muscle because you're not hitting it. I
mostly probably. Yeah, it's crazy because the lineman they just shrink.
The people don't realize these guys gotta eat. I remember
we had this guy, Mikey, Right, it's a solid name. Yeah,
it's a solid name. He was from Cincinnati. He was

(24:42):
a d tackle early in my career. And this guy
hated eggs, but he had to force himself and he
would eat fourteen egg whites every morning and he would
almost throw up while he was eating them, but he
needed it for the weight, like he was always under
his weight. It was fucking what some of these guys
had to do. He never heard even of a guy

(25:02):
trying to gain weight fourteen whites is an insane Well,
this guy was like O. C. D like with everything,
Like yeah, He's like, hey, you want to come over
and make a homemade ice cream with omonds? I'm like,
what the fuck is this? That sounds very good time sounds.
Check out this blender. I Wendy's reading in the living room.
That's a nice. That's a nice. I mean, this is

(25:24):
the ship we had to deal with. Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Wendy was an insane Chef't he.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Still a good chef? No? No, that was yep. Conley
was the best chef. Who's the best chef out of
the the best?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So actually probably the center now for the bill's Connor
McGovern He's solid. Uh, he's humongous and he loves food.
But he it's like the guys who take the time.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah. No, we used to go to his house for Thanksgiving.
You have homemade beer, homemade wine. He'd make he deep
fry a turkey, smoke a turkey, bakeer turkey just in case.
Well we have like a lot of guys, but he
would do one of eat h. He he made a
fucking homemade marshmallow thing, like homemade marshmallows where he had

(26:06):
to go in the garage and make him or something
for this hot cocoa that he made to put on
the hot I mean, I feel like a garage is
where you have to make aliment because they knew how
to feel like you don't have to. You can't make
marshmallows any work the garage, I mean on a work bench.
It was insane. All right, Let's get into some of
your craft talks. Center have to be one of the
smartest guys on the line. You're communicating with the quarterback

(26:28):
every play, all day, every day. Who are some of
the guys you looked up to when you first got
in the league that you wanted to model your craft out.
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I was just talking to Tyler Biavich, the center for
the Chargers now about because he's about He's about five
or six years younger than me, and you have these
different iterations of guys that you look up to when
you get in And it's anyways, that being said, when
I first got in the league, dude, there was a
I mean, it was a treasure trove at the position.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
You had the pouncy Twins, insane lea, you had Alex Mack.
I mean there was the craziest stance. And he when
he run the he'd always run the ball head up.
Had a motor you would not believe played fourteen fifteen years.
You had Max Unger who was with the Seahawks and
then ended up with the Saints. You had Rodney Hudson,

(27:21):
You had Eric Wood with the Bills, and then I mean, oh,
you had oh who had just he was only a
year older than me. But Corey Lindsley, who's an l
a guy. He's he was with the Packers and all
these Oh, and then Jason Kelsey was doing his thing too,
and so you're just you're watching these guys. And it's

(27:43):
one of those things where I can sit there and
say I'm watching Jason Kelsey or the Pouncies, and I'm like, sure,
I want to run. I would love to run like
a gazelle, jump over a dude, and just absolutely dog
walk a linebacker. But I can't take anything from that
and actually apply it to my game. So the guy
that I really watched a lot of was Alex mac

(28:03):
just to learn how to move in like a phone booth,
Like for me, I was moving too much like you
learn how to move in a phone booth and then
max anger.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
So moving a phone booth is like so if you come,
especially if you're playing tackle, like you think of especially
your first kick or how much space you work with,
that's mitigated every position you move inside and its center
like is if you move more like if your first
step at times is more than six inches or seven inches,
like that's too much, You're gonna get overextended. You're not

(28:34):
gonna have your position of power because off the rip,
this dude sniff in your nose and if if you're
not ready, he's gonna and you don't have that base
or you're not gonna throw the hand. It happens so
quick to power speed to power ready for it, yeah,
I mean anchor, yeah, and just to have that anchor
and have that base, especially then with how quickly it's

(28:56):
happy you cannot move or get over extended or like
the first time I go, I sniff in your ear
and you think you have to ever extend, he crosses
your face, like if you don't have your feet in there,
you're out. You're gonna look pretty silly. And then Dante
is going to be up your ass, you know, saying
some shit to you, oh one thousand, are you talking
about mister scart, I am talking about you. You never

(29:17):
had Scar now. I met him in passing once. He
he worked me out for a pro day. But even
that short amount of time, he had a presence about him.
And then I talked to Wendy or anyone who goes
around and chats about scar.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Uh. Here you hear a few things. One he would
do push ups. He was the most. He had the
lowest heart rate on the team. We used to compete
every year. Our trainers right there to confirm thirty nine.
This guy used to have a thirty nine heart rate
ninety years old. He's eighty two years old, so he's
almost dead walking around, right, So you're a marathon heart.

(29:51):
Call that marathon heart. I mean. But because he used
to he used to swim every morning, do all these
push he was fucking and he was shredded. Yeah, oh,
and he was you know, he kind of had this
so he was he do push up.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
So he would do push ups in that And then
if you were a rookie or the first day you
were there, and he was going to try to break
your will the first three days, especially in like rookie
minic camp just to see how you do. I heard
that every single person I talked to is like, you know,
misery loves company. He's just going to see how see
how you tick. And three is that yes, he might
give you the business, but he's also going to love

(30:22):
you up when when he when the moment dictates it,
and that, uh, he's just a He's a good soul man.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
He really is. And you know, for for the guys
that weren't Lineman, we didn't realize he was always like
super nice to us. So like I never thought of him.
I was like, that's the best coach ever.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
You see the lineman coming out, they'd be like fucking
scratching their head out of a beating, like, man, there's
no doubt. But I did see the different like I
heard him coach because we used to do all. You know,
when watching the offensive film, you'd hear the coaches from
the offense coach in the o lineman, you'd hear the
running backs coach coach in front of everyone they were coaching.

(31:01):
And when you'd hear him coach man, yeah, he would
be he would get on a guy, but he would
also give you the exact thing you had to do
to make the play right. He would maybe say you
fat piece of ship, but he'd also say you take
your right hand, you put it under his left. This

(31:21):
you drop your weight, you do your little set step
or you know, like he would give you the technique.
So he's not just yelling at guys. He's coaching them
up and just you know, and he communicates it for
in a way where everyone can. You're gonna hear him.
You're gonna hear You're gonna hear him. I don't know
if I made that right. No, I think you did.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I think he's gonna He's gonna get your attention a
certain way. But then he's gonna give you the goal one.
And that's what good coaching is. His guys that can
teach you and tell you and communicate what you have
to do. Don't yell at me and say we gotta
do better, Tell me I gotta do something. What do
I gotta do to get better?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
No doubt? And that's what the good coaches do. Who
are some of the good coaches? You at the offensive
line position? Great question two come to mind immediately.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
One is the headline coach for the Chiefs still Andy
Heck he's been there since coach Red got there in
twenty thirteen, and he's a he played thirteen or twelve
years in the league, so you know that he which
is great. I've always appreciated guys who have played, or
like those coaches who have been in there for a bit,
and both of those kind of fall in the same

(32:25):
category of understanding what the toll it takes mentally physically,
like to actually be able to achieve what they're asking.
And he uh, oh man, he's a He's a great dude.
He's he's one of the greatest teachers of the game.
I remember learning coverage, you know, teaching his coverages and
the way he would ask and you know, he's very stern,

(32:48):
but he wasn't a dick, but he would also kind
of my favorite thing about him is he if you
messed up on the field, he'd be like, what are
you thinking here? And a lot of the coaches would
be like, what are you thinking here, you dumbass. He
legitimately wanted to see how you processed information because his
whole thing was like, maybe certain dudes receive information at
different frequencies. I want to match your frequency so I

(33:10):
can explain to you because maybe what I'm saying, what
makes total sense to me, is just falling on deaf ears.
But he was also dude that you know, if you
had a young, pliable body, was going to work you
to the bone in the best way.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
They also the Chiefs believed in trial by fire, I assume,
similar to New England, which is just like you're going
to get better through about a thousand reps and you're
going to sink or swim, and we're going to give
you every opportunity to swim. And coach Heck was right
in that category. And I was a beautiful teacher, but

(33:48):
very monotone and still one of my dear friends. And
the other one I can think of as a recently
retired o line coach for the Buffalo Bill's Aaron Crumer.
And he I mean, he was the catalyst for the
twenty eighteen the thirteen you guys being thirteen to three
for that offense in Los Angeles with Todd Gurley. He
was the offensive line coach and run run dude for

(34:09):
that team.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
They were they were very good. They're unbelievable. I think
they were like the highest scoring offense in NFL history
that year.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Remarkable team, and then he came over to Buffalo in
twenty twenty two and really revitalize that offense. And you've
seen James Cook do his thing in the past few
years and just his ability to because he's the exact
opposite of Adante. He's not gonna motherfuck you now, He's
going to give you autonomy. He's one of these things

(34:39):
is everyone doesn't move the same way biomechanically, how I
get out of my stance, my position of power. Now
we're all at the point of contact, going to be
in the same place, kind of this symbiotic organism that
thinks in the same way. But he's gonna sit with
you and talk with you for a few hours about
how all right, if this isn't how you want to
do it, how are you going to do it?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
But now that you have.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Ownership of it, he's gonna hold you accountable because like,
hey man, we sat there for an hour and you
talked about this is how you want to do it,
and to give that freedom, especially at the point in
the career that I had them, two very opposite guys,
both brilliant minds, and it just shows you, like there's
so many capabook. There's a lot of incapable coaches, which

(35:19):
is wild in this league.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I've heard that right now at though line position, from insiders, relayers.
It's said, it's it's malpractice right now with some of
the defensive line coaches, there's a few of them will
leave them nameless that I have they shouldn't be doing.
And it's the most important. It's honestly one of the
most important aspects of the game. Been in TV for

(35:41):
five years, five years now. Every first three months of
the season, we talk about offensive line problems. What the
fuck are we doing? What are we doing out here? Well,
it's the it's the one office, the practice, lack of practice,
the new CBA. I mean, there's those so many reasons
to it, but you know it needs to get going.

(36:04):
It's such a volatile position. I mean yeah, I mean
the no ship moment where you know there's five dudes
trying to work. As we talked about that symbiotic deal whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
But the offense, I feel like always when you when
you first get a training camp, the offense always takes
a little bit longer. In the defense always, and then
the offensive line always in certain aspects, especially the run game.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Because you guys have got to practice the hitting.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
We don't. You can't practice in passing camp and organized
team activities in mini camps. Those are fucking diapers. We're
in just helmets, big lineman. Yeah, they they block and stuff,
but they're not really doing It's not the same, you know.
It's it's the lack of padded practices, which those guys.
The padded practice is mostly the most important for the lineman.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
A lot of a lot of I'm going to look
forward to padded practices because you get something to grab
onto and you get to work that. It's not even
just like when people think about it's not just like
the running off the ball and moving guy from point
A to point B. It's like, all right, well, subtle
hand placement and pass protection. Where can I grab the call?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Or can I do this?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Or how like be a part of offensive line plays
holding people? But there's an art to holding people. I
keep the hands inside, keep your hands inside, keep your
elbows in. You can only do that so much to
a certain extent with shells, but with pads that's when
you really get to work on, of course, and also
like how do you throw you hear about throwing your hands.
You can only do so much throwing your hands with shells,

(37:30):
But like, how what place am I going to hit pads?
I'm actually gonna emit power, my position of power through
the palm of my hand. You kind of have to
have paths to do that. That being said, like I
do think and that was a great thing abou Kansas
City and Buffalo to a certain extent is like I
assume New England. It's like, well, we got pad of practices,
we're gonna use them.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I hear about that a lot. I hear about Andy
Reid's practices in training camps and how they're really hard.
Explain that they explain how hard these practices, man.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, so it you know, the rules changed probably my
last year there, and just time on practice. But if
there was three hours to have, you're gonna have two
hours and fifteen minutes worth of practice. And you know,
I just you know, you go to Saint Joseph, Missouri,
which is you know a place it's uh, it's actually

(38:25):
strangely hot, on fire hot.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Those Midwest towns they get hot.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, they're and they're steamy, and you know every day
you'll do your endy for forty five, you'll do one
on one pass rusher or seven on seven for about
twenty five thirty minutes, and then you'll do you know,
your team blitzes and all this stuff, your situations, and
then you might just do one rack of eleven on
and then you'll do situation and it's either a full

(38:53):
go two minute and then if it goes too quickly,
you'll do two of them, or I'm sure you've heard,
you'd end with a long drive drip and long drive drill.
For Andy is one of these things where he wants
to This is not so much technique, like by play
thirteen minutes, you're leaning on each other. He always associated
with like what wrestlers have to go through. It's like
you're immediately when you're wrestling here and get to this

(39:14):
point where your body is telling your mind, please, I
got to stop. But what he wants to do is
train your body and your mind to push through that
moment because you're gonna have an eighteen play drive in
the season. It's gonna come up at some instance. It's
just going it's going to So the ones verse ones
for would go for eighteen straight plays twos verse twos
we go for twelve and the threes were first threes.

(39:36):
We go for eight, and he'd throw about a thirty
minute or thirty second rather water break in about nine.
And you couldn't substitute for these guys, and you know,
the defense really actually probably got screwed, especially the D
line more than O line. But you're just leaning on guys.
But you do kind of have to go through that.
And also, more than anything, the thing that's not talked
about is those two had one. The one thing I

(39:58):
do mess about football, I'll miss playing. I got nothing
left to get. What I do miss is like those
really the end that one or two days in training
camp where you didn't sleep for some reason. It's also
the one day where a coach has told you, like, hey,
we're doing fifty six plays of team and it's God
has a sense of humor. So it's also hot as
shit hot, but you get through it. You actually might

(40:19):
even go through you I might even crush the practice, right,
It just was a good practice and you're walking off
and you have those two hours between that and your
first meeting where you get in the tubs and you
go eat, and there's something about going through that and
you're almost in like this weird hysteria, not it's hysteria,
but just kind of this weird case of delusion because
of what you had gone through and you're sitting in

(40:42):
the locker room after the cold tub or maybe in
the cold tub, like those moments.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
What that does for a team? Yeah, you can't. You
put that into you put that in a pill form.
Pal No, I mean you also got to think about
the other side when you had the worst practice. Yeah,
after those two hours, those two hours leading into the
low lights that you're about to watch, maybe think you

(41:07):
might get cut a couple of times? Am I gonna
get cut today? Am I gonna get cut? I'm getting
cut today? Oh fuck, I'm cut. We'll be right back
after this quick break. You gotta tell me about those
because there's I mean, it's lower about the wa Oh
you got it. Well, just like you said, right after
you know practice, you have you have about two hours.
Guys would take a nap, Guys would go get a lift,

(41:30):
Guys go do psychological training or something. There was something
to do that you could do for those two hours,
and as soon as you would get in to that
first meeting, we would meet together as a team and
there would be about a fifteen to thirty play cut
up and it could be from anything at practice that day.

(41:52):
It could be from the individual drill, it could be
from the one on ones drill, it could be from
the nine on seven drill, and it just highlight examples
on what we what is good effort, what is a
good play, And then there would be low lights of
this is not what we're looking for, this is the
program of what we're not doing. Uh. And it was
just like one of those things where no one was safe.

(42:14):
No one was safe, yeah, you know, and and but
it also it was one of those things where it's
a different time and there's so many ways at the top.
At this time, this specific time, it almost galvanized us
together in this moment where like we're all shitting our
pants about this, and it was kind of like us
versus him. And I think he did that on purpose

(42:36):
because the times he did give you a slap on
the butt, it made you feel like, holy fuck, this
was the best day ever. And then those times where
it wasn't, you know, you thought you were getting cut,
but then you knew you had to bring your a
game the next day at practice because every day. On
good teams, you either win it or you lose it.
There ain't no fucking staying the same. You either won

(42:58):
the day or you lost the day. Yeah, there's no
staying the same. The gaveboards power. Like when when you
got the praise, you knew it meant something. It meant something.
And then when you got shipped on, oh man, that
definitely meant something. It meant something.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
You light a fire up. What's the best coaching point
you ever got? Oh, the best coaching point I ever got,
like technique wise, was it was actually Andy Heck, my
first airline coach. He said, your elbows only have so
many punches, so you might as well throw those hands

(43:37):
as hard as you can, because no matter what, if
you don't throw them or throw them hard, your elbows
only got so many. Might as well just punch people
as hard as you can within yourself without reaching.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
And he was right.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
My elbows are cooked, dude, They're gone. The best like
probably broad spectrum coaching advice I got was, you know,
it's interesting, was I had a coach. I forget exactly who,
but I was a young player and I didn't have
a family, and I thought, you know, I had so
many instances where I would just find myself on a

(44:12):
Wednesday in season being at the facility till eight at pm,
like doing another round of contrast or doing this stuff,
and it's like learning how to like, hey, there's also
the art of removing yourself the best you can. You
have to unplug, even if it's for two hours at night.
You have to, Yeah, because especially as a young player

(44:32):
and when you're still figuring this thing out, no matter
how you look at it, and no matter how much
mental fortitude you have, especially those young dudes are going
to go through it. Yet roverbial, rookie wall, some guys
that last for games, some diet kids is last for
a day. But finding a way to remove church and state.
And he even used it as like, all right, there's
a handle for me. Even as a coach, there's a handle,

(44:54):
and there's a door I walk through every single day.
I don't change what door I walk through. And when
my hand hits his handle, I try my best to
flip the switch on, like alright, I'm gonna work mode.
And then when I get to you know, I leave
my leave my desk, go outside, get my car, throw
my seatbelt on a drive home when I when I
actively put my car in park. That's one of the

(45:16):
other switch flips and finding a way to do that.
Whatever the works for you, you have to remove yourself
in some capacity or you're gonna burn your burn yourself out,
even if you think you're a superhero and uh, and
then you're gonna have these lulls and it's gonna affect
everyone around you.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, it's it's no way to live. You gotta reboot,
and it's hard, dude, hard. I I never rebooted. That's
why I burned. I burned it out. I don't burn out. Yeah,
well I lived at the facility, if that's okay. I
burned it out. I lived in the training room. I
got my trainer here right now. This guy fucking hates me.
I don't know why he's here. He works so much.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Got out, Jim.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Now, lastly, before we can jump into this game, I've
always I've always wondered, give me a POV of the
center in the whole huddle situation. When you call the huddle,
are are you where you standing in the huddle? Are
you breaking the huddle? How much pride does the center
have on the huddle?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
How much pride does center have uh, that's you know,
we're very prideful bunch, jools. But the huddle, the center
always sets the huddle. Yeah, absolutely sodd. So you're always
looking for you know, immediately your eyes gravitate towards the
side judge to at least know where you know the
ball marker is.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
So then we're setting in the huddle.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
How many are so usually you know some coaches want
at five or six usually four four and a half
enough where you can still break the huddle and have
a few strides to get to it. You don't want
to break it, and it just there's a few times
where you actually break and you turn around it's right there.
You like, that kind of blows. But so you set
the huddle. Everyone comes through. There's the personnel shift. Sometimes

(46:54):
you're getting it and you're hearing the personnel shift or
you know, change it says zebra's coming in when you're
nickel all this stuff, and then you immediately, like while
that's being kind of decided and worked through, you get
your eyes towards what what shifts they're making, or what
personnel groupings are coming in, or if you know certain

(47:15):
guys talking line up in a certain way. Really, the
first thing you see is if it's base or nickel,
or if it's base presented as nickel or the opposite, right,
And so you're already known no matter what the call,
you're already gonna set yourself in. Why is that important
for the lineman because that starts every single rule that
you have? Right, So what is base ver nickel? So
base is when so base vers nickel in regardson offensive lineman?

(47:37):
Is the amount of known rushers?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Okay? Right?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Because you can look at it as like, all right,
at the base front for the Bills is a four
at the time, not anymore is a four to three,
But then there are nickels four two.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
But for us, I'm thinking how many down linemen are there? Right?
So four?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Or if it's like a third down pressure package, there's
only an odd front. But maybe we're gonna have odd
rules or the are going to present it as a
four down, in which case we have to designate one
of these guys as a ford is the known rusher,
so that our four down four known rusher rules, especially
in pass protection, can apply. You get the play call

(48:14):
whatever is pertinent to that. And then if it's a
certain run if there's some sort of motion that's going
to bring in either you know that covers six safety
or move someone out or shift so you know that's moving,
you break it, and then you.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Have to know the shifts and movements because of the
timing of the snaps totally.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And it's not like every single one. There's a ton
that you just don't like. I don't care, but there's
especially in certain formations or mostly duo schemes, especially when
you're trying to move in or you're depending on if
your receiver is gonna come out and you're gonna dig
out that dude, which is fucking awesome by the way.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Keep yeah. Always loved baby, Yeah. I always love the
fellows that do that.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
He starts off always usually huddle always starts off.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
With the cadence quarterick, we're just me on this and
then you can get the play call and then you
usually end on cadence too, So the same thing happens
to you. You just try to set the guy's tones
because they're trying to digest so much information out there,
like hey, it's yellow yellow and then now we're going
through it. So and even if it's their subconscious there
they know it's gonna be on two. If yellows too,

(49:16):
you go through it. Usually it's you know, run protection,
it's the mic or whatever it's designated on that. A
lot of the times you can omit the mike call.
And I know that's kind of sacrilege for the pay
the Patriots, but but the nice thing about that is
a that's mostly on the offensive line when the quarterback

(49:37):
and movie off of it. But if it's past protection,
you're thinking about you're four down and five down rules,
you're known rushers. It's five down, you know, usually that
means it's going to be a five on five call,
or a six on six call, or even if it's
a seven man pro whatever, seven on seven, you know,
seven man on seven man. And then you just think
of if it's a weak protection or a strong protection,
and what that looks like is the caps. You know,

(49:59):
is a three buy one or is it two by two?
Do I have to especially if it's like a weak
side protection and we're responsible for that outside, do we
have to kind of account for that dude who's capped?
Is this a position that looks like the mic cap?
And then as a center, you do the best of
your ability, and then the quarterback as of course the
final trump call. But usually you're on this symbiotic relationship there,

(50:21):
you know, or sometimes the great thing is like if
he knows, he just does it out there and he
and listen. As a center, you like to think do
the coaches that would ask you to be like, all right,
I need you as the center position to look out
there at the secondary and see what the I'm like,
I got short arms, my gut is going into my lungs,

(50:43):
in my in my center stance, I'm having a hard
time breathing right and I got I can't. I can
barely look past my tackle. So then that's when you
really get that communication with the guys and you know
through a thousand reps, what they know, what information you need?
I know it information I need. Of course I'll be
the trump call. But you know, at the same time,
if you got a trust your dudes out there because

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they're seeing shit that I can't. Yeah, and then it's
one of those things that's also super fluid, and that's
one of the great things about the like the center position,
and we'll kind of get you outside of sometimes over
analyzing everything else.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
That was going on.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I was like, well, I have the memorandum that I
need to give to the offensive line. I have my checklist,
my proverbial checklist that kind of calms you down and
gets you into the routine. We're talking about routine, especially
at center. It's every play has such a routine, every
every position does. For sure, I assume you have the
same kind of diagnostics going through a routine, no doubt
where you put them. Now, what percentage of the time

(51:42):
are you just sitting there looking at like one of
your guys and say, hey, we got this, we got ringo.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
They didn't get a lick of the play call and
they look at you and they're like, yo, what do
we got? How many? How many times does that happen?
And yeah, it just kind of depends on where you are.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
If you know that horns playing for Haunts down Foxburg,
which fucking sucks. Uh that's going on, and you have
the you know, the crowd's going nuts and and like
that is you make a you know, you make an
what's the word you, uh, concerted effort to slow down
your movement from and you are looking at these guard's

(52:20):
eyes and you're making sure you're hearing the things where
you're getting each other's ear so they can relay the
tack You're not talking to the tackles at all, right,
these the guards are you know, they're we're playing telephone
in the worst way. And then sometimes you're a point,
especially with young dudes, as I got later in my career,
it's like, listen, I have to get you that information
anyway I possibly can. If that means to get your attention,

(52:41):
I have to motherfuck you.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I will.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I promise you, I love you to death. And it
was a rarity because I'm kind of a pacifist in general.
But listen, we're I will be here. I will love
you up on the sidelines, especially when you get this
thing down, we're all together.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
We'll have a laugh about it. But like, whatever it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Takes for me to get this information, do you, especially
because usually those my moments where we can't hear each
other are the biggest moments.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Forty seconds, forty seconds, you know, forty seconds get this
shit going, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
So I got to get this information to you. I'm
sure it's the same way for everywhere else. Like I'm
gonna do this in the best way, but sometimes I
just got to get in your face and fucking yell
at you. And you know, i'd hope you do the
same thing for me to make sure that I know
what's going on. And you know, and the thing that
I hate the most is when you they panted the
sideline and guys are getting spirited on the sideline. Sometimes, oh,

(53:27):
look at these guys or at each other's next or
it starts like no, it's just kind of it's the
spirit around the game and the moment. And I promise
you these guys are buds. They're they're working through some stuff,
but also like they're gonna be better forward on the
field in the next drive because they're they're all in
on this together. They're they're working together as a team
and figuring this thing out.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
A good motherfuck session is always needed. Sometimes it's any guy, though,
I would give a motherfuck yeah and something, and you
can do it in a constructive way. Yeah, a helmet toss,
a ear pad out, breaks off the helmet, maybe a
little urgent, you know, sometimes you just need a little juice.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah, you seem like a guy whose helmet was never safe,
never never yeah. Yeah, And sometimes it was just like
ye know, there goes the juice's helmet.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Well, you know, sometimes if practice was like shit for
me or something, I needed a little juice, I fucking
throw my helmet just to get me going. Yeah, no doubt,
I was. I was very Yeah, my disposition was very
even keel fucking center baby. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go back

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into time and go over some pop culture around when
this game took place. It wasn't too long ago, it was.
It was January twenty third, twenty twenty twenty, twenty twenty two,
twenty two Man twenty twenty two, number one movie. Spider
Man No Way Home, Easy on Me by Adele was
number one song stream, Kingsman and American Underdog were all

(54:58):
in the box offices. Will Smith got slapped the ninety
fourth Academy Awards. That was what you think about that? Yeah,
I'm be tough, dude. It was. It was tough. I
didn't know if it was part of the show. I
thought it was a stick for sure, but it and
then it wasn't. It was Honestly. You got to tip
your cap to Chris Rock for being a pro pros pro.

(55:19):
He kept it going. Ye, no, no doubt. Man. The
Rams won the Soupy Aaron Rodgers got his last MVP
in Georgia. This was the when the Georgia guys were
unstoppable those few years. How are the who were the craziest?
Who was the craziest alumni group that you ever encountered
in the locker room? Like, yeah, for me, let me

(55:41):
tell you mine ro quick. For me, it was the
Florida guys. I was gonna say Florida, Florida. We had
a bunch of Rutgers guys for some reason, Bill and
shot Meana whatever that guy. Who are the guys for you? Yeah,
I would say Florida, Florida. It's something in the water
and games, and we're kind of in that age range
where you're probably like five years younger that that time,

(56:03):
Florida was really good. We had like ten Florida guys
on our team. Yeah, they I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
They were a little loose in the locker room for sure,
but did they had the spirit about them playing football?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
They were fucking good man, they were hell of good.
You movie or TV guy, I'd say less now as
a dad than i'd like to be. Yeah, Like as
much as that five hour plane ride sucked over here,
it was dude, I was just digesting as much as
I possibly could on the screen. Dude. I always thought

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the best rest I always got was on the planes
and on the buses. Definitely there, you know, when you
were playing then, like even nowadays, like when you're on
the flight, you're not in dad mode or anything. It's
kind of like you get to crunt. Even when we
were playing, you know, you would sit there and you'd
have a forty five minute bus ride to Providence or

(56:56):
wherever you're going. You'd get the best rest of the
week there because it was like everything's done.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Nobody can get to you.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
No one can get to you. The works in. Were
you able to sleep on the plane ride home after
a game? It depend on how my body was, but
I was. I was always pretty exhausted. Yeah. We we'd
always have our iPads, like later in my career, so
I would I would watch the film right before the
guy would come down and collect the iPads from you.
And yeah, and so I would go to Teddy or Jared,

(57:24):
I say, give me the guy damn iPad. I would
watch these reps right now, get to know what I
was getting to get motherfucked on? Oh man, did you
do that, Mitch, Yeah, sure, yeah, No.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
The thing by the time I was retiring that they
had a guy like a an OPS guy in turn
would come through and he had just a little plug
in so he would do that and it would take
about five minutes for each iPad. So if guys were
just able to give their individual iPad, so we were
all able to go through it.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
And it was you know, if it was, it was.
It was a fun game you go through.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
But even like the good games, you'd sit there and
I would still only dwell on like the one or
two that was, like, how the hell?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
What was I thinking? You know what the coaches always
say it, Chad O'Shea. You say to me all the
time after a practice, whether it was good or bad,
goes the film is never as good as you think,
and it's never as bad as you think. That's another
one of those great coaches. Never as good as you think,
It is never as bad as you think, and it's

(58:21):
god dang true. But it always was just as bad
as I thought, and was never as good as I thought.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, it's like, man, that sucked, and you're right, all
I'm looking at it as a dog shit.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
And then I was like Oh, I had a pretty
good game. Nope, yeah, no, the hell was that? Man?
Did you watch that? Uh? Did you see that Kurt
Warner movie American Underdog, America Underdog? No? No, I didn't.
Oh I know what you're talking about. I haven't seen it. No,
it's wild. They made a Kurt Worner movie. They made
a Kurt Warner movie Wild. I mean he was bagging

(58:53):
grocery bag and groceries playing for Iowa Barnstormers. It was
a great It was a great, great story. Who's anfl
guy that would have a great biopic? Right now?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Right now, I'll tell you a dude who kind of
flew under the radar. This guy named Warn Duvernet Tardy
if he was a guard for me in Kansas City.
French Canadian from Montreal, and he had an incredible story
where like he grew up on a farm in Montreal
and then his parents were going to go from farmers

(59:25):
and then they went to Baker's. But before that they
built a sailboat and they sailed from Montreal down to
Cape Horn and back. So for a year and a
half his high school was they'd learned they'd be taught
on this boat and then they would just drop him
off at a random island with some random people, be like,
your lesson today is just just learn what or they'd
catch fish and do that. And so then he comes

(59:47):
back and his parents open this bakery and they end
up having like going to I didn't know this was
a thing, but like there was like a bag at
competition in a world bag at competition, they went like
second best or third best bag yet in the world.
He goes He doesn't speak English, but goes to McGill University,
learns English while learning medicine, becomes a doctor like a surgeon,

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plays good enough football. The first time he ever played
football is at college, gets draft in the sixth round
of the Chiefs, ends up starting for eight years, wins
the Super Bowl against you know, San Francisco, and in
his off season he would go from playing football to
being a surgeon and getting his residence. You know, he
owned like at one point owned one hundred chickens, would

(01:00:31):
get his own maple syrup from the from the trees
and he uh, like when COVID went down, he took
a year off, did emergency medicine. I remember this guy
now say yeah, when the ma all, I mean he
ended up playing so well. He got like a four
for you know, four for forty and at the time

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for a guard that that was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
What is he? Arnold Swarzenegger and twins and now and now, dude,
he grew up an island. No, he was crazy, No,
and and now he does U.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
He was just over for the Winter Olympics in Italy
doing a correspondence for Montre like for the French Canadian.
He's unbelievable to smart as a whip no matter what
he does. Like when I got in there, he was
his first year. He just come off of uh just
kind of not a red shirting, but you know, he
was not suited up and he was learning guitar and Spanish.

(01:01:28):
Brilliant mind. Now and now what he's doing is he's
doing more schooling so that his The healthcare system in
Cana is a little strange, but there's like this, I
don't know if it's an application or something where you
can especially in rural Quebec, and if you need a surgeon,
you can do you can the hospital can rent a surgeon.

(01:01:50):
So he's getting his pilot license so that on like
the weekends he can go be an emergency surgeon at
these rural places and come back. The dude is he
would come back with the coolest off season story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Wow, Like, what do you do? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I went fishing a couple of times, what'd you do?
Like this guy came in with, you know, his leg
missing and like that's like that And of course we'd
always ask him for like medical like this kind of
hurts hell, and he was really cool. He's like, I can't,
I can't tell you. I used to ask you guys
if they needed a medical intention to come over to me.

(01:02:23):
But yeah, ery, I'll show. I'll tell you what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Three to four weeks. What was the if you said
one part of your body got worn out more than
the other. My left knee is pretty bad right now.
That's a nice side of the positions. I mean, it
doesn't hurt right now. It's just when I walk a lot,
I have like I wore out the whole medial side
of my knee. And I try to get like at
least twenty thousand steps a day because I'm out running. Yeah,

(01:02:52):
and like if I get up to I know when
I'm out around twenty two thousand steps. By how my
knee feels I think it just feels like it's just
wearing out. We'll be right back after this quick break. Yeah,
that's not other than that. Like I mean, yeah, there's
bumps and bruises, and I'm we all grew like we

(01:03:14):
all like know pain when you wake up. But the
fact that I don't have to go and perform or
like practice, like I'm sitting there, I could be in pain.
I'm like, oh, I'm fucking great today. What's good? Let's
really doing today? Because you don't have to go doing it,
you know what I mean? All I gotta do is
talk now well and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Not to pain or be even from the outside looking in,
you had a warrior spirit. I remember there's one game.
I don't know what it was, if it was in
twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, maybe when I first got
the bills.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
We're playing in New England.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
You crack down on some dude and I thought you'd died,
like you knocked yourself completely out, and then you're back
in like four plays later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I go, I don't think I was zacking four plays later,
but U I had to go in the locker room
for that member. Yeah, And I came back and like
the crowd's like, oh my we bringing this up? Or
was that the rib that was I could have been
a rib. It was a rib. Yeah, I think I
broke the cartilage in my rib. It was one hell

(01:04:11):
of a block zero mispractice. We were flying in. We
were for like the first two weeks. We had like
a rib specialist because this was the same year that
Tyrod Taylor punctured his lung. Yes, so they were flying
in a rib specialist because everyone was scared to shoot

(01:04:33):
up the ranch now so they could do the ultrasound
to shoot it up for practice, and it was crazy.
Now the ribs, the ribs are the worst. You can't
you can't do anything like a sneeze. I was always
cool if any anything was like not a lower extremity.
So like if it was if I felt if my

(01:04:54):
shoulder or my arm or my hand or rib, like,
if it wasn't your lower extreme, you could go training, go.
But that, I mean everyone was like that. Everyone's like that.
A lot of guys are like that. Yeah, no, dude,
is that where your spirit? What were you like in
twenty twenty two? What were you like right now you're

(01:05:19):
sitting here, you just got over to Buffalo. Yeah, so
where are you in your life right now? Where am I?

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Actually a great it's a great question. I just had
my son about ten days before this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Oh wow, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
So we had played the Jets in the last regular
season game and they flexed it from a one to four,
which kind of stunk. But my wife was in Kansas City,
that's where our off season home was, and we had
the induction set for that next day. It's five in
the morning, so we played the Jets, caught a flight
that night, landed in Kansasity about midnight, drove home, took

(01:05:57):
a nap, went and had induction day. And then we'd
found out on the plane ride back because you were
waiting to see where you're slot in the playoffs and
went from Sunday we got the Saturday, like we see,
at least it was a night game against the Pats,
and so anyways, had my son flew back, so in
a really good spot. Just had our second kiddo. I
think it was my seventh season in the league, and

(01:06:20):
it was. It was a super interesting season because it
had its ebbs and flows, Like we had all these
expectations because we had just went to the AFC Championship
game the year before, and I think we started off
with a brutal loss against a good Steelers team. But
and and we're at a point, I think we're like,
you know, six and five. At some point we go

(01:06:42):
down and maybe more than maybe like seven and five.
We go down to Tampa and we played you know,
Tom right Off after he'd won the Super Bowl and Gronk,
and we were down by twenty eight to three. We
ended up getting it to overtime. We end up losing
the game. Chris Godwin goes off great play. But that
was a catalyst for the back half that season where
we kind of felt like we hit our stride as
an offense. We knew we were gonna do. We'd come

(01:07:04):
off that Patriots game in the playoffs where we didn't
punt like it was a really solid time. So we
knew that walking into Arrowhead against you know, at the time,
the Titans of the AFC, right, it was gonna be
a We had gotten the better of him in the
regular season, but you know that that doesn't matter worth

(01:07:27):
the damn when you're in the postseason.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
It doesn't matter. Now, let's talk about those Titans, Jackie,
Let's break down these Kansas City Chiefs and jump in
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Go these twenty twenty one Chiefs twelve and five started
a little slow three and four to start the year.
Uncharacteristics of the chief defense was letting up a lot
of points. Got that ship right in a little bit,
though notable editions. We got to talk goal line here.
Joe Toney and Kyle Long came on the team this year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Huge.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I mean, you know Joe Tony anywhere he goes I got.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Joe Toney is a pretty interesting lead too, Golden goose man.
He's hall of Famer. He's he's gonna be a Hall
of Fame fall. We don't know what first ballot is anymore.
Oh yeah, yeah, good call girls. How long was a beast?
How long was a beast? I used to train with
him when he was coming out of base talking about
a freak switch, freak switch. He's got it, man. Great dude,

(01:08:18):
when you see this Chiefs team, what are you thinking? Right?
You probably get like, well, what am I thinking? That's
a great question. You're half half of them? Are your boys? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
So yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I mean I remember being super impressed that rookie Craft
class they had like Nick Bolton, another Missouri guy. I'd
come in there shout out Missouri comfy and Creed came
in and he had gotten all these you know, he
was the second coming stuff. And as a curmudgeon, I'm
like whatever, And then he'd already proven that he did
and ever since then has been the gold standard of

(01:08:47):
the center position. Absolutely dogging a great dude. Yeah, Joe
had coming over from New England and really solidified that
intier because they had also brought in I think it
was the rookie season, not only for that, but for
Trey Smith, who's now a prolific you know, pro bowlers.
So they had Creed, Joe Toney and Trey Smith. Uh
what else do I remember? Yeah, they had that kind

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of slow start, but I mean this is prime Tyreek Hill.
He hadn't got there. But the nice thing, not the
nice thing, but the interesting thing at this time was
that Tyreek and Travis weren't the only stalwarts like they
had Byron Pringle who had just come about. They had
a run game with Clyde's Edward a Lair that was
going nuts, and then uh kid, he was playing great.

(01:09:32):
And then that defense had really found its mark and
became the number one defense or maybe the number two
defense starting in week eleven or twelve. So it just
felt it felt like it was going to be right,
and just man freaking Spags turned the dial.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Bags.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I got to tell you, I most respect our pads,
never crossed. But the man's a genius and he's really
a kind dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, he's a football's guy. He is a football game
and he's been in the game forever. He respects good football,
he respects good players, and I loved competing against those
kind of guys, no doubt. Yeah, he was solid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And they also had a pretty now looking at it,
on the right, like they had some really underrated players
like uh Tershawn Wharton. I'm try to fuck that up,
but he's an unbelievable Like their second d line coming in,
especially in the interior, was really solid. Jared Reid had
come over, I think he only spent one year there,
was playing pretty solid. Chris Chris was playing out of

(01:10:25):
his mind. And then Frank Clark, especially in the postseason,
was possessed huge and he had a motor like a
son of a bitch. Mike Dana now at the Bills,
but so I mean they just all over the place.
And then Melvin Ingram had come over, and I mean
he was in our division when I first got into
the Chiefs with the Chargers and they he was booked

(01:10:45):
in booking, book ended with Bosa, and then he went
to Miami and then came here and maybe even a
stop with the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
But he was incredible. So a really good team. Now
this is your first time looking at Andy read is
not your coach? Are you sitting there thinking like, man,
he I remember those fridays he dropped those crazy third
down roll to the right, hit a flat route pass.
He's gonna do that against here? Oh you know, he's
gonna do it every time Third and short, fourth and short.

(01:11:14):
We're just gonna roll the right, hit a flat pass.
I always thought, why don't we Why do we not
do this every third? Every third down? Any third and five,
third or anything but third and short, third and four,
Come on, roll out. What's the craziest play you saw
Andy Reid drop up? Oh? Man? Uh okay. So we
had a guy named Don Tari Poe. It was a

(01:11:37):
d tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
He's about three three sixty and he drew up a
play call called bloated tebow pass.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
What is it called?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
It's crazy, It was insane bloated tbo So it was
you know, uh at the time was Alex Smith. He
motioned out, we're we were We had to do silent counts,
Casson Kans for this, just because we didn't want Dontario
to have to do or any person who wasn't Alex
have to do a a verbal cadence. And it was

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Christmas Day versus the Denver Broncos, right after they had
won the Super Bowl and we had Dontario had already
that year caught a touchdown and ran for one. Because
this isn't the first time. So he goes he does
his three steps, jumps, throws it to our tight end,
Dimitrius hairs touchdown, place goes nuts. But then he would
also do like some you know, weird shifts where guys

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would just kind of like move and do fun but
like they're really like fun quirky things where the offensive
linemen we're doing twirls. Was by the time, I was gone, yeah,
But when he gave Dontari Poe the opportunity, yeah, there
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Oh my god, it's a great play, dude against frame
that man, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, and Don Tari was dude, that place was lit up.
Really one of those games you talk about where you
can just feel it in those moments where you just
feel the air.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It's a little crisp, it was. It was solid. I
feel like a he's great at naming them too, Like,
don't you just aim like Prince Ran? Well, yeah, I
mean it was fat sensitive to the bloated. Yeah. Blow, Yeah,
you know, I mean what caring. He cares. Guy knows
his teammates. Yeah, those teammates. Let's jump into these bills, Jackie.
Let's talk about the Buffalo Bills, baby, the twenty twenty

(01:13:14):
one Bills, eleven and six.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
This is Sean McDermot. There, we got day Ball, friend
of the show, leading the offense here, second straight AFC
East Division title. This is kind of when that shift
of becoming big dog on the block was happening with
these guys and up in Buffalo, Damarrow Hamlin's rookie season,
Spencer Brown's rookie season, high powered offense, scoring over twenty
eight a game, number one ranked defense, number one ranked

(01:13:37):
third down defense, yet no Pro bowlers on the defense. Unbelievable,
no respect that here, really high point differential here, and
all losses were by one score. So I mean a
Buffalo team that was pretty much a wagon here. Those
two safeties they love playing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, those dudes are solid, good folks. How is ski
Ball Dave's day Ball? This is the perfect situation for
day Ball in Tennessee. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
He had that defense with Robert saw and zooted and
booted RD to roll and you have cam Ward on
the prespice. I think of being brilliant. I think he's
got it right. And then you have day Ball, who's
this young quarterback whispered them they're gonna air it out
sixty times a game, but they're gonna put up points
and he's gonna learn a lot that Cams.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I can't wait to see. I mean, that's the NFL's
undefeated storylanes every year. He's anchoring that they're going it
the bald squad. Yeah, they got the graphics and he
thought it up here. Wow, that Dave Ball really holding
his own there as a leader of this group in
se Wow. Solid.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, that'll be a new era down there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Aaron White Cotton, he was with the Bills for a bit,
which so good. Gus Bradley.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
He freaking all that team is, man, I think, well,
I think Roberts are brilliant defensive mind.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Why I just think that those defense play especially because
you know, I think about those Jets teams especially, they
were just suckers, dude. Those guys would just hum, you know,
because it's you know, play you know, rush the passer
on the way. So if they're running the ball, it's
just like you're gonna get your bell rung thirty times
a game playing that defense.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
It's wild. You gotta tell me what it's like playing
an old orchard as a buffalo bill, because I know
I enjoyed it playing as a as an opponent. I'm
sure he did, because it was fucking It was like
a frat house. It was like, literally, you roll up
and you're out of college. You're getting dildos thrown on
the field. You're seeing kids flip you off that are
like two years old with their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah. It's a beautiful, Uh, it really is. It's it's
you know, because I didn't have that experience till my
last year in Jacksonville. We went up there for a
Monday night game. Yeah, to see the other side and
you know, the windows are tended to a certain extent
of the buses, but I had because I heard this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I'm like, you know that, not them, not the fella,
not the not the crew, not the mafia.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
And yeah, man, they had like lightsaber sized dildos and
uh and just oh yeah, those kiddos were flipping the
bird and but you know, because they kind of see
the slhouette and they see it's me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Oh. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
I felt immense pride, just beaming, even though we got
our tails kicked.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
It is a unique experience, you know. The one thing
that was a blessing and a curse at times was
having that one tunnel to go down. It definitely made
tensions palpable at times, but also kind of there was
something cool I'm sure for you guys too, when you're
like you're breaking down your sun limb and you're like
the opposing team walks by, kind of a little friction.
It's a little tension, nothing crazy, but just feeling the

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anticipations palpable for the game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
So when you enter Buffalo Stadium, there's only one hallway
and the locker rooms are like right next to each other,
So you guys they walk out of their side, we
walked out of our side, and we walked down the
tunnel together pregame.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
It's gonna be the only stadium that does that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Right, I think I think at the time it was,
but I'm I think it was either the old San
Diego Chargers or the the Colisseum would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
One of those. You ever playing that. I never played
in the Coliseum San Diego, like the like the horse
stables is the Yeah, qualcom was tight. It was cool.
Now you're like tucked up into like a hill or
Phillips kind of doing a thing. I just love going
out there. We get to go out a couple of
days early.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, that was the cool flying You're flying right over
the water, the houses around the hill. That being said,
playing there is it was one of the greatest joys
of my football career.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I just.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
It just seems to matter a little bit more in
Western New York to those folks, and you feel it
and they embrace you, and it was just it was
it was such a privilege to play for that team
and and to feel the love and air their disappointment
when things weren't going well. And I don't think it's
a matter. This is just me personally now this. I
can't believe the Pats are back in this division doing this.

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It's insane, It's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
It was wild.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I was I was really impressed, especially that defense was incredible.
I think Drake's the man, truly. But I think it's
a matter of it, you know, when not if for
this team. And I want to see more than anything
Western New York burn no, like you know Philly they
say it is crazy when that things goes out. I'd
like to see Western New York kind of light of fire.

(01:18:32):
It'd be great for sports. Yeah, it would be great
for sports. Let's get in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Leader, oh man, that was What do you think about
this new stadium by the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Way, so we got we got to do a little
of it. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be special.
It's gonna be a whole different vibe in regards to
its actual seating now, but they were very cognizant of
keeping it its roots in Western New York and the
little subtleties, and it just seems there's some grandeur to it.

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It's gonna be a fascinating place to watch football.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
I can't wait. And its outdoors stop. Yes, one of
the twelve new stadiums that is only grass and outdoor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
I think, yeah, it's it's it's a beauty. Yeah, the
grass thing. The dudes are stoked.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I was there when they I didn't know there's grass farms.
There's places in Jersey where like certain that. He was like,
so they had just flown in the grass from the
grass are driven it up, they're installing it there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
It was cool. Some fresh grass, fresh grassy. Let's let's
lead up this thing real quick. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Kansas City entered as the two seed Buffalo the three seed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Mitch mentioned it earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Buffalo was coming off what they call it perfect game
against the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Scored on every drive, didn't punt. Oh my god, that
was a beat time. You remember that one. We've tried
to block that one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Out beat down. That was brutal, but sunk the ship
it did.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
That was that was rough.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
But earlier that year, you guys would come in and
won and threw the ball three times. Yeah, the win game.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
That was insane. What do you remember about that game?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Being insanely cold? And Mac Jones is one of my
best friends. Yeah, but you know he's doing his little
like shimmy, Oh, dude, I I tell him all the time,
I'm like, why why do you make it so that
people want to hate you so much? When really, as
a dude, you're he's unbelievable person. Yeah, he's the great,
He's a great teammate. I think we've all matured this thing, right, Yeah,

(01:20:22):
I mean he was two years old. Yeah, and when
it had him in Jacksonville is great. What that game
in particular? Uh yeah, right place, right time. Everything went well.
You know sometimes it just goes well for you and
everything winds up and everything did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Now do
you think playing these guys, would you play him week
five week five? How much that help going into this game?
Or different team?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
We were both very different teams, especially that Chiefs team,
especially that Chiefs team on defense. They had this light
switch moment where they just honed in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
We didn't we did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Chris Jones hadn't played that game too, so they had
missed a few guys. So yeah, I mean it was
it was nice to go in there and feel that.
Especially that was the first time we played him since
the AFC Championship gamehere we lost, but I mean we
had the wherewithal of know that that wasn't really gonna
matter much.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
What was the mantra leading into the week of prep
for this, Uh, the mantra was, I mean, we understood
the magnitude of it. We understood that this was the
team that eliminated us from possibly going to the super
Bowl the year before. That being said, I'm sure the
teams you've been on too. It's like, we know what's

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gotten us here. We understand that mistakes will be amplified.
This is the biggest stage. But don't change up what
you've done because we know what works. You have to
you have to keep it the same. I mean we
used to get the same speech. Don't be taking any
extra pre workout, drink for this. Don't do anything different. Yeah, don't, don't. Look,

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we've been doing this shit all year. Fellas. Look we've
been doing this shit all year. That's like the shit
we would hear that he's in the barn, type by
the Hayes in the barn. Let's get into the game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
All right, This I mean, if you don't know about
this guy, I mean, you've been living under rock. This
is unbelievable. Arrowhead Playoffs Division round. This is when Matt
rivalry is really starting to bubble up. And we start
this thing off with a long fifteen play seventy one
yard drive. Singletary kicks it off with a big run.
He was so hot around this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
One before fourth down twice once in midfield, fourth and two.
Then again you're getting the resident on the one fourth
and gold going forth on the first drive in Arrowhead, Like, Mitch,
what was what was a script like? And what was
that drive kicking things off? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, I think we understood the monster that was on
the other side, which was that Chiefs offense. And I mean,
you close your eyes, point someone, they're liable to, right,
So we knew that we had to take every opportunity
we get, and sometimes we had to create it. I
do remember coming into this game we were going to
be aggress fun fourth down, which is great. It's liberating. Yeah,

(01:23:10):
it's a super liberating thing, and it I mean it
worked out. And then a little bit of the story
of this game. The Chiefs respond thirteen plays, seventy four
yard drive. Pat had that huge thirty five yard scramble
right up the middle of the field, gets it done
with his legs again in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Punch it in seven to seven. We're like, we're trail,
We're keeping severed. Trans were also running that quarterback power. Yeah,
to the weak side of man ran that quarterback power.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
A lot of pin and pole with a quarterback, a
lot of pin and pole, a day ball loved pin
and pole front side will lock in the backside of
the offensive line to make it a play action pass
or give it an option. Do that so that Kannas
City drive right after. Yeah, Pat scrambled three times I
think for like fifty two yards. And those scrambles were insane.
So immediately you knew demoralizing too, isn't it. Yeah, I

(01:23:58):
mean it's on the road, get on. We seven on
the board. It's just that's that's the ebbs and flows
of a playoff game. And like, yeah, cloud nine, Yeah,
we just accomplished one of our goals. They come up
to score right away. This was full just trading body blows.
Trading blows come out in the second or the second quarter. Up,
pardon me, we have three punts.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
A little little weird on this one, man, I mean
I hawk flipped the field of a big one down
in the Kansas City one that was a great punch.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Shout out to special teamers, baby, go out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
The special teamers run. Now, when this game unfolded, you guys,
like we just talked about, you guys score, they score
clearly adjusting to the adjustments game. Then you go three punts,
three punts. What When did you feel like the game
was kind of settled and we knew what it was about? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I mean, so we knew the Chiefs were an incredible
second quarter team. We were kind of getting into the
fold of this thing. When did I feel like it
really settled down? Probably like five verse six minutes left
in that second half. That's usually when I felt like
my most games settled in by that late.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yeah, I never believed in settling in, like you really
found the groove of how this game was going to
go early and then I feel like you have to
reignite that. I feel like that even when you go
in halftime, there's a recognition unless there's some huge discrepancy
in score. But yeah, we knew, especially after we trade
a few punts, it's a few defensive stops on both
sides that you know this game was starting to settle in.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Yeah, and we see Kansas City get the next win
here and get up seventeen or fourteen to seven with
a Byron Pringle touchdown. Defensive holding one of the few
penalties in this first half, extended bad drive Dan Jackson
third and goal that kept it alive. Then it's a
minute fifty two left, Buffalo down to score. Got to
get aggressive here under two minutes left, go down seven plays,

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seventy five yards in a minute fifteen, get a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Cole Beasley was big. Cole Beasley was big on that drive.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Bees was fourteen fourteen. Then you had you give him
the ball back with twenty or thirty seven seconds. Pardon me,
and Plucker missed a fifty yard uncharacteristic big miss though.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Yeah, yeah, he's he's a stick now. When when that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
When that happened, he felt like it breathe a little
life and to the the fellas when the stadium definitely,
uh yeah, because it was so uncharacteristic, especially I was
with Harrison. He's automatic and just like the talk about
mental fortitude, that dude's got it up here, like he
is just built differently.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
To see that was just kind of a it was
I couldn't believe it. What's McDermott saying in at halftime,
I think for he he was always pretty good. Yeah,
he was always pretty good at halftime, which was like
kind of reiterating when we talked about not too high,
not too low, keep your foot on the gas, violent, aggressive,
yet in the realm of execution. Now you guys get

(01:26:54):
down double digits here? Yeah, yeah, how are we feeling
at that point? If I remember correctly, they come out
with like an eight minute drive yep, big Jared mns
sixty four yards ends of the field goal, which is
a little bit of a win, but it's still it's
a win because you take off that much time and
you're still coming away with points. Yeah, thirteen plays, seven

(01:27:16):
to fifty nine, almost eight minutes. You're right, Mitch, But I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Remember we I felt terrible for our defense because they
had this fifteen play drive. Then we go three and
out yep, real quick. And then they get back out
there and I think they score a tub.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
They do five plays sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
One yards that one ends in am Micole Hardman twenty
five yard run here. That was an incredible the reverse,
incredible play classic Andy. So you guys go down ten. Now,
what's joh how is Josh feeling in the huddle once
you guys are down ten in arrowhead against the team
you guys that everyone struggles against me, Like, what's his

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vibe in this huddle when when you guys are about
to start kicking this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
On, right, So it kind of goes back to the
very beginning in this conversation. Is those great quarterbacks, right,
that's they have that it factor where everything just kind
of tightens up, especially in these moments where everyone else
is kind of you know, there'sphincters are slammed right these
when these guys are in a really good spot. But
we all understood because this is kind of how the

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script had gone for the year prior, Like we kind
of let it go get away from us in the
XC Championship game. He was he's always just kind of
fired up about just executing doing your jobs just enough
to kind of get the troops riled up, not too
much where it's like some strange soliloquy that you know,
we've all been around those dudes that try to give
you some strange like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Now a buddy was Gabe Davis over in like Anaheim
with Danny Glover before this game. Angels in the outfield.
This guy have four tuddies, like the best game in
the history of his life. He he's such a stud, dude,
There's been no greater. You got that reference, right, Angels

(01:28:57):
and Field, Sure of course. And I got it once
you said Angels the outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
That was a little bit like you said, Daniel Danglar
didn't get me at all, But Angels the outfit I'm
all about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I was a little bit behind.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Gabe's had a future multuous seasons with injury, but this
game in particular.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
I mean he shined, shined, I mean four touchdowns. It was.
It was incredible. I mean you guys, you guys were
beaten like Blitz zero in those explosions. Were those blit zero's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Well so there they actually didn't blitz very much at first,
and then and then then they started giving it the
business and going, and then Josh was able to step
up a few times, and Gabe just the whole you
talk about the Holy spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yeah, but you can only step up a few times
because there were some like real blitz looks, and you
guys ended up getting those huge explosion touchdowns plays where
guys are wide open. It's because they had that extra
that that one second totally. If you have you just
got to hold them. That's the one thing for blit zero.
You either have to have a combination that's gonna win
quick or you're gonna have to hold them up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Two take three, man and pray to Jesus he get
that football out and why guy go?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
And this isn't that same moment right now? We talk
about getting down nine points. What's Josh doing rallying the troops? Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
We gotta get something going here, and you got it fast.
One place, seventy five yards bomb to Davis. We're right
back in this thing. It's twenty three twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
So that felt good. How are we feeling twenty three
to twenty one? It's just like the same thing, guys.
We know it's gonna be up and down, just fucking
in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
We were a little fired up after this one fire
is because you felt because you felt like, if it's
not spluttered again, if we've done another three and out,
our defense is getting no rest, they go down score again.
It's well more than a two possession game. This is
We're gonna have to get some turnovers. But that was
such you could feel it. You're talking about putting yourself

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in that stadium. That's just oh man, that that felt good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I mean when you quiet down Arrowhead, it's a hard
place to quiet down because they get rocking. It's a
great feeling. And that's how you quiet them down, you
go score score. It was shut him up there if
you can.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
And not to take anything away from Gabe Daves his
insane performance, but we do need to backtrack here real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
In the second quarter of the honey Badger and cushion out,
I mean, that's that was That was a big first drive. Yeah,
first drive is that I mean, yeah, they didn't have
McDuffie yet. Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Now you guys were exposing them. It it it took
a while. It took a while. We were just trying
to you know. But then around this time is when
we started airing it out and Dave's was doing this
thing away and talk to us about that last minute unbelievable,

(01:31:37):
that last minute of the game of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
You guys are down right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Well so yeah, so we I think we get the
ball back with like eight minutes left in the game
and we go on a seventeen play drive right after
a few minutes fourth down with I think like two
minutes and thirty seconds left, and Gabe does one of
these out and ends and the guy trips his beating.
It looks it looks pretty, you know, it's not. I'm
sure it's not really fun for him to watch, but

(01:32:03):
it wasn't like he got he just tripped over. Anyways,
Gabe goes in there scores. Now I think we're up
by we're up by three, and we're feeling good. But
there's still a ton of times so no one's we're
feeling like you all right, we're in this game, but
nothing's over it all. They go down I think they
convert a big third now with Travis, and then Tyreek

(01:32:27):
hits this run that he was he was in peak
form because he also had a punt return to this
instance it almost broke for a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
That's so he was on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
This game goes down, throws up, chunks up the deuces,
chunk of the Yeah, just some real Houston hip hop
a reference for you, chrunk up the deuce, and then
he goes in and then we had like a minute
and six left in the game, and we had just
gone the seventeen play drive, we know, and we had
a kind of like it was a grinder.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Are you running out of plays by this time? Or
is you got?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
But Dame's also carried seventy plays and he carried in
like fourth because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
You guys are playing a lot of plays at this point.
I mean these were long drive. You guys probably had
one hundred or eighty eight places. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
It was a pretty substantial amount of plays. But that's
also the great thing about the playoffs because it's usually
cooler nights, breath, you're not getting too warm, and you're
in shape. By then, dude pops as chunky as fuck. Dude,
I'd already gained my baby weight. We looked like michelin Man,
all white, terrible look. That being said, we go down

(01:33:32):
and yeah, so like this game, we had Cole Beasley
who made some really key thing huge and Cole's the man,
like I love Cole. You know, Emmanuel Sanders on this
drive had a huge conversion because if he hadn't even
caught it, it was thrown for a flag. And Emmanuel
Sanders was also you know, rock solid. And then Gabe

(01:33:55):
also had another big catch.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
We get down.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I think it's first down maybe on our twenty five
with seventeen seconds left, and then you know, it's interesting
sometimes when you're you're in the blocking situation, especially when
it's kind of we talked about that sub personnel or
this four down where especially it's center. It's fucking awesome
because rarely are you're blocking one on one. Yeah, so
you're going, you're helping your guy, and you kind of
feel it. You don't hear you there's something about it.

(01:34:20):
You might hear you feel the balls just escape your
hands out, and so immediately you're seeing this and you're
trying all in a split second to diagnose something you
really don't know, which is the back half, you know,
this secondary what else? But everything he just kind of
opens up, catches it, and it was just on the
field in the moment, pure elation because he felt like

(01:34:43):
you felt like at the time it was just this
huge emotional roller coaster and release. It didn't feel like
you had the game by any means, but it's just like,
holy shit, like I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
I didn't feel like you had the game. There's thirteen seconds, yeah,
thirteen seconds. Yeah, I'm telling dude, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I just maybe it's my eternal pessimism just being like
that too, though, you know what I mean, Like I
just until the clock at zero, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
This was not full celebration moment. We got this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Oh, I mean, guys are feeling it, and even yourself,
even me saying that it was hard not to feel
like I can't believe this is probably gonna happen. Yeah,
there's that little dude in the back of your head
that knows who's on what's going on on the other
side with the conversations, the you know, the the dude
over there who's just cooking plays and the fellows who
can just slang and bang and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah dude, and so they then I was thirty score
thirty six, thirty three bills are up at this point,
as we said, thirteen seconds left. Kickoff three plays forty
four yards later sets up the Butker field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
This time Drillsy sends us thing nailsy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Which show nails, which you gotta get. You gotta give
him his kudos. Oh yeah, man, Like you go out
missing a pat and I've I've been earlier when we
got to mention that Gaskowski did that with us a
couple times, missed a pat, then came back late kicks
a game winner or a tying feel like that that's
almost more impressive than a guy going five for five.

(01:36:11):
Oh go miss is that shitty one at first? And
then a fitty yarder to get it going.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I totally forgot about that pat too, Yeah he he,
And you knew it right when it's set up, so
it was gonna nail up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
You guys, go to overtime, you lose the toss again.
What goes into your head? Again? Again? Again, lose toss?
What goes in your head? Did you did you right there?
Son of a bitch? Did you right there think that
you lost the game or it was gonna be tough?

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Man? Just with the way the game had gone, you
thought maybe there was a chance. But I mean once
they started marching it down, and once they got into
the red zone or the high red trave and then
Trap does this thing, and you know, it's kind of

(01:37:03):
a similar instance, this feeling of just oh, it's hard
to explain. It almost doesn't hit you at first, right
because it's just like you're still your mind, even your subconscious,
trying to comprehend what the hell is happening. But you
see that celebration of the guys and it kind of
brought me back, and I hate keeping going back to
that twenty eighteen game, but it was like right when

(01:37:24):
you guys had scored that overtime and David Andrews that
did one of these like it's just like a freaky
dance to the to the side and you just felt
it in your soul. And yeah, walking off that field
because I lived twenty five minutes away from the stadium,
so I was going to go home, fly home, do

(01:37:44):
exit interviews, and fly back to Kansas City. And it's
so hard to explain that locker room afterwards. I've been
around some disappointing locker rooms emotions or you know, you
don't know when they're going to catch you or not
how they're going to catch you when they are, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
It was just raw. It was raw, dude. How long
did it take you to process this that you guys
lost that far?

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
How long?

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I mean, it's hard losing in the playoffs and going home,
but like to lose in that fashion with the just
the the ups and downs of of climbing mountain. You
had to climb a mountain, You climb the goddamn mountain, sure,
and then you had to get and then it gave
it back up. I mean that that takes some time.

(01:38:32):
That off seat, that off season must have been tough.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
For me, it was interesting because I was going home
to a new kiddo, So that was that was a
great That was a great palette cleanser, right, very good
going home to my family.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Of course, in my neighborhood, all choose fans, but I
had kick ass neighbors who took care of me and
they were very kind and understood where I was at
and they were great.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
So that helps a ton. How about that totally? He
loses in the city first year in Buffalo, then he's
gonna go back a day later after his exit physical,
and he's gonna go sit there and probably have some
Kansas City barbecue with his brand new, little beautiful baby.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Yeah, next to some Kansas City fans. It's a unique
experience for sure. I remember the first year I left,
they ended up winning the super Bowl and I'm sitting
there watching the super Bowl in Kansas City and uh,
fireworks are like the fireworks kept us up all night
and it was such a weird feel because it's like
yours are your friends, yeah, right, and you know, what

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it's I'm not gonna sit here, and I was meant
to be in Buffalo at that time and time March
is on right, but it's it was always a strange
instance to for them to keep going back and back
and me just being in my living room there and
or you know, an Overland Park, Kansas just being like, fuck, dude,
come on, well, I can't give us give it gives
one shot and give us one opera and that, you know.
The Chiefs fans are always very kind of they're pretty

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actually kind of like they're great, great fans. They're not
really assholes, no like their mother you and they'll they'll
do some stuff, but like they're always pretty politely. They're
salt of the air, solid as a rock. And it
is really one of those fun stadiums to drive into.
You can smell it before you see the Jets fans.
On the other hand, I'm just no, it's true. I

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remember I remember going to MetLife. I think of the
first game of twenty twenty three and we're walking up
driving up there. It's the Aaron Rodgers game where he
comes out with the you know, and he ends up
unfortunately tearing his achilles, but so place is on fire. Yeah,
and I'm with Dalton Kincaid, who's a rookie, is his
first game sitting in front of me, and this kid

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had to be eight or nine grabs a hot dog
chunks is what a canon? This kid had twenty yards hits.
It would have hit him right in the face mustard
and everything. And then they just like the moon him
and are just like eh, and he just looked back
at me. I'm like, dude, yeah, this is as the NFL,
but also welcome to MetLife hooking, Welcome met Life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
We'll be right back after this quick break, say, aftermath
of this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Oh, let's put a bow on this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
The Chiefs would end up winning this thing forty two
to thirty six on a Travis Kelcey touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Instant classic, instant classic.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Kansas City would move on to their fifth straight AFC
Championship game. Then they would fall to Cincinnati at what
they renamed Burrowhead twenty seven to twenty four in the
AFC Championship Game. This game would win the SB Game
of the Year for twenty twenty two, and miss, of course,
would cause them and one of the causes to change
the overtime rules ensuring that both teams got the ball.

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Tyreek Hill would leave for Miami and free agency later
that year, and then Mitch. Of course, we're going to
play two more seasons. This was not only Harold is
an instant classic, set tons of record. Gabe Davis broke
the playoff record set at four touchdowns in a single game.
That's a playoff record, three go ahead touchdowns in the
final two minutes, playoff record. But now this was all

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time or instant classic. We're still talking about it. But
it's gonna feel like it's gonna score pretty high.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
I feel like this. There's no turnovers by either team either,
so clean game. Wow. Great and the Mitch, we'll get
into it when we score this thing. Let's get into it.
Let's let's name it and score it because I want
to get into it now. These are let's name the game.
These are some names that we came up with. But
if you have a name that you okay have, we'll
go with that. We came up with the thirteen second game,

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thirteen seconds, the Gabe Davis game, or anything else. I
would say the Gabe Davis game. Yaya would say the
game Davis game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
He uh what he was able to do that game
and those big moments, not even those touchdowns. There's a few,
there's I mean, there's one catch that he bobbled going
out of sidelines. See this toe drag. He was just
on fire. He was an all day sucker in the
biggest moments. He came up clutch man.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it, Mitch. Decimals encourage, buddy, We encourage those
decimalis so how prefaces? I mean, we'll get into We'll
get into Luisa's pump the brakes, pump and pumpy right here, eminem,
we got you steaks, the steaks of this divisional game.

(01:43:16):
Oh zero to ten decimals encourage, uh nine point one,
nine point one. I would say it's a nine point
three just because for me, Oh wow, okay, I had
a nine. I see it, I see it. We're all

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in the same little We're all the same. That actually
feels nice. We're all together. It feels really nice. What's
the star power of this? Now? Let me tell you,
I mean, this is an instant classic, right, but when
it's all said and done, there could be two top
five top eight guys of all time at the most
important position. Pretty starry.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Yeah, I mean you think of like the the three
amigos over there at the time, with the Chiefs, you
havet Pat Trap and Tyreek, and then you have Chris Jones,
who is Bossley Hall of Fame. All four of those
guys are probably Hall of famers. And then with the Bills, Yeah, Josh,
and then a few guys whose careers are still being written, uh,

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star power. If you just look at those numbers, then
the guys who played well, I would say even more
than the stakes probably nine point three.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
For me, I'm gonna go with the nine point two.
I mean, you got score Pat Mahomes and fucking Joshi
at an eight nine guy went nine to three on
the while I was so low. But we're still in
the ball. I still feel like we're all together, even though.
Is that you? Yeah, you fuck that up pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Like usually I'm a high score guy. What's getting into me?

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Yeah? This is great? What about the game play? Zero turnovers,
unbelievable special teams plays, unbelievable explosion plays, unbelievably long drives
from both teams, high execution in this game, thirteen seconds
from home a minute on that itself on that itself.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I know over time, I know Bill Bird would disagree
because he likes a little more defense on this thing.
I would say, gameplay for me would be nine point six.
Nine point six, I mean strong, but rightfully so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
To me, I'm with you. Let me see where did
I give it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Here? I won nine.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Out here? Water is finance.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
You know what else is nice?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Your restroom has like all the assortments of like altoys. Yeah,
that feels good. That's Leah got out shout Leah that
that feels very hummy in there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Thank you. Oh yeah, we got a couple of smelling
saws in just in case you want to go. You
really have smelling salts in that. I haven't done one,
and I don't know we much have. We're not doing
after this to do all right, I haven't done one,
oh man. It's just I feels like I haven't done
one since like the first Trump administration. To be honest,
it's been a while. In a minute, four years. You

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stopped doing them after a while. I didn't. I like
to do them ever before every drive, Yeah, I don't know,
like someone got me with the everyone ever, every team's
got the dude with the bottle I got. I know
one if you need the prep. But if someone just
gives you a drive by you're not expecting it, it
makes fun. You throw up out of my ass. Dude,

(01:46:27):
I just know it's terrible. It's not everyone. It's not
for every it's not for everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
No, yea, I would kind of band, kind of not.
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
No. The problem with that is now, and it's it's
like the team can't get it, but now you're gonna
get some stuff. It's like dudes who want more milligrams
of nicotine and their things, so they go to Sweden
and get the thirty things. They're getting these things from
China that are going to melt your melts your navy.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
One hit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
All right, let's name the let's grade the name of
the game, the Gabe Days game, four touchdowns, NFO record.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
This one's got some staying power. The name we grade
the name zero ten do okay. So I'm gonna say
there's the only reason I'm gonna get lower. It's still
be in the nines. But you could like the thirteen
seconds game, all that stuff. You could you could combine
the nine point zero. You can combine the thirteen second
game Dave Gabe Davis game. That would cover it because

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it's a little bit long winded. That's the only reason
why I would say, like, but the only thing is
that's what everyone's gonna remember it as. Yeah, everyone's gonna
remember the thirteen second thirteen seconds. So that's the thing.
So that that's the only reason why I dock it.
Is like for the guys who were in it or
no ball, they know game everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Exactly, no mistaken. Yeah, I'm gonna go with an eight
point nine solid. Yeah, that's solid. This is this is
some of the highest nine seven nine seven. This is
gonna be thenna be really high. This is gonna be
insanely high. Leah calculating here this is a nine point
wowoo six. Where does that land on the list?

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
That puts us at number new number three four, number
number four, yes, right, a super.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Blood wolf Moon earlier talking about wow.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Really really good new number four game. Uh yeah, cheese
what pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
We've had some hitters. We just did a we did
the we did the World Cup game yesterday with Argentina
versus France. It's MESSI when he won the World Cup
versus Are you going to make any games huh, you're
gonna make any games? Oh yeah, Boston dude. How was
the roast? Kevin Hart? One ye, it was awesome, laughing

(01:48:45):
your ass off. Yeah, no, the roasts are always fun.
I was actually I enjoyed, give you. There was a
cheese platter and it was stale cheese. I tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
The header was like, you know, it's interesting, like they
was going to be, but some of the cheeses like
they come out.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Yeah. It was a chacuteri board. But yeah, yeah, they
gave us drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
But the thing for me is like charcuterie boards, as
long as there's more, I give them props of the
only fruit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
I don't give them props. The only fruit they have
was just grapes. No, if they have more than grapes
they have, maybe have a you know, maybe a raspberry jam.
That's a little disappointed because there was no meats. It
was just a cheese chutery. I mean, this is this
is l a yeah, and we should have options.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, but if American Airlines is going to give you
more on their charcuterie board, no, I'm just joking.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Spectacular. I enjoyed it. It was an unbelievable night. It
was fucking I mean, those things are crazy, bro, Like,
I wouldn't expect the tom to come out there. I
assume you had the I saw Tommy. Tommy gave them.
We ran lines a couple of times. I had to
work them out at where he watches. Man, Yeah, that

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dude wears watches. Was it a five million dollar wat?
He was like, I don't know why I get on
these things. I get on these weird you know Instagram
things where it's just like look at the the met
Gallas watches, and I'm always I'll watch every single one.
I don't know, dick all about watches. They could be
making these numbers up.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
I'm like, whoa, but Tom's you know some guys were
like this is seventy thousand dollars watches, and then it's
Tom's where I'm just you know, normal stuff and his
watches like something by Jacob and Co. It's all fucking diamonds.
It's like ten one point four million dollars. I'm like,
all right, but a dude like that uses those as
an investment.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Like A yeah, I mean he's also what are your
thoughts on cards like trading? Like some people are in
trading cards yeah. I used to love it as a kid.
I mean I used to go yeah, but like poke,
now it's it's it's become a huge. Commodities are huge
right now. Cyclical thing we talked about, like like Pinatas
are backing kids. But watches, like I was never I

(01:50:56):
would always consult with tom On. I only have like
three watches, and I'd always consult with him because he knew,
you know, hey, if you get this one, you'll you'll
maintain money. Just like you said, he makes money on
all this stuff because there are pieces of art to
him and when you get access to certain I don't know.
I don't know the game. I'm not a watch guy.
I have a couple of good it's good to have

(01:51:17):
people know, but it's good to have people and shout
out my boy, Jeff Lifter. Shout out Lifter. We love Lifter.
He's the he's the watch guy. It's another great name,
Jeff Lifter. Great home camshaft. Just to h for all
our watchheads out there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
The Bezel Boys, page six says six million dollar estimated.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
It was an off catalog Rolexe Sea Dweller seed. He
was wearing diamond infested eighteen carrot white gold fully in
square cut. It called infested. There's just so many it's
infested with diamonds. I literally went into his green room
and I got pink eye from the shine. It was

(01:51:56):
so shiny his watch. I got a pink eye instantly. No,
I didn't know I was gonna say, dude, Oh man, guys, Yeah, yeah,
guy's great. Uh Mitch, should we miss anything from this game? No?

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
No, you guys covered it beautifully, man, I was. I'm
very impressed with your ability to break that down. Appreciate it, Mitch.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Jackie, I appreciate it. Puts a lot of hard time
into that, and I can tell I appreciate that he
fucking a rock star. Yeah, role and everyone does their
role very well. Here. I appreciate the bathroom and Mitch
and Matt and then Tim over here keeps the cameras rolling.

(01:52:47):
I've been I've been picking over Tim's Tim. Tim's got
kind eyes. I like Tim. It's cool the first time
you hear the Beatles when you look into his eyes.
Everyone go check out Mitch's podcast. Asked in Good Company
with Mitch Morse, what what is that podcast about? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Yeah, Well, it's just so the reason who's with my
buddy Casey Ha. He was with the Jags. He was
a video guy, bounced. He'd been doing that within the
league for a bit and now he works for he
runs the studio for Dick Sporting Goods headquarters. They have
the studio and so he'll be He also does like
commercials and stuff. He's he's a Yenser from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
They're the best.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
They're the best. And you know what's fun is just like, uh,
he's got a good soul. And for us are we
just like to talk. Football is what we know, and
we love to interview folks. And I've been so fortunate
to interview folks I didn't even know I wanted to
talk to, but I did. And it's one of those
humbling experiences we talked about. You just get lit up.

(01:53:49):
Everyone's got a story to tell. And for us, we
just want to have more opportunities to talk to more
folks and everything else, kind of all the other kind
of cool stuff that comes with I think if you
do it the right way, wolf to come to the fold.
But for us, our biggest thing is we just want
to have more opportunities to talk to cooler people, I
mean in good company and try to keep some pretty
good company. Dude, since we have here, we'd love to

(01:54:12):
have you on at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
And doubt I'm on. I gotta say that the Bats
sponsorship is fire to that's care of the you know,
I'm Sam Adams guy myself, but.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
I'll you know, you know, it's you know, it's cool
and and maybe the Battle dropped me after this, but
Sam Adams does have some really good seasonal like the Wind,
like especially around like October October Fest.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
If you like Logger, I got an edel Bro. Oh,
so that you are You're you're invested in the game.
Edelbro got his own beer. Think this is no we
have our city, our art what is it? It's our
city are Derek White r City?

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Our Battle Bats was our first you know, it was
the first company that gave us. Ay, they gave us
their blessing and then gave us a little backing. And
they've been so great and they're really just like do
your thing and uh they're gonna have us up.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
And it couldn't be more perfect because it's perfect Lineman
and beer. It just it's like fucking pigs and shit. Yeah, Yeah,
did just give a lineman a beer or not a beer?
You gotta give him like a twenty four or thirty
six pack because they drink like we have. Yeah, we
like to think we do. We have fairly gentle disposition. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Yeah, but like a post game. You talk about a postgame. Okay,
so I know you have places to be and your
guy's been, Oh he left. It be fine, your guy left.
But talking about those moments where you can put in
pill form and you'd be a fucking billionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
We talked about not being able to sleep on a
plane ride home. But like when you break when you
when you go on an away game, you break down
after a big win, those two hours talking about kind
of the same vein as the two hours in training camp.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
With those two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
After a win, you hit the showers, you go and
it's even like between when they're loading the stuff up
in the bus, like there the buses before you take off,
like under the stadium, maybe after only after a win,
and then you like the equipment guys maybe have snuck
you just some beers and.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Beers you snag one of the boxes of food that
that is it's gonna give you it's gonna, you're gonna,
it's gonna. It's a fart factory coming down the park always,
but it's but you can't help it. Eat it. And
some of the best times were right after the game
and the players lot, the linemen, they would always crack

(01:56:38):
open beers and they just sit there and all their families.
We'd be in the parking lot, like were tailgating after
the game, drinking a beer. That rocks that and that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
That is a beautiful experience, especially like you have the one.
Brandon Sheriff, I don't know if the name sounds familiarities,
in my opinion, would have been a Hall of Famer
if he didn't spend most of his time with the Redskins.
Just an absolute horse of a human. And he would
always put in my Lafeter and Jacksonville. We would always
stay in the and we would just pack a cooler
the night before and we sit there and you have

(01:57:07):
to drive home, so you gotta be cognizant.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Yeah, but of course that beer for you was always
the Bat Blue. Always it was always Sam Adams. But
we could always have a beer together. Yeah, that's nice,
that's nice. That feels good. Man had a blast brother.
I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you coming on. And
you said you're a fan of the show. I'm always

(01:57:30):
a sucker for a lineman as a former quarterback. That's
the guys that I love to hang out with the most,
love to eat. They were always the coolest humans. It's
been a pleasure to get to hear your story. Appreciate
you coming into the house. Dude, dude, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Let me enter your humble abode. See how the juice
is made. And also like this is like it's not
the panther but the outside looking at you, guys got
something special. The chemistry in here's kick ass. The altoids
in the bathroom really made an impression on me, and
I appreciate Let me come in here and and choose
the fat man.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
This has been a blessing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
It means it's time the bro, it really does.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
What is it like to learn an NFL playbook?

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
What's it like to learn an NFL playbook? Well, it's
it's your back. When I came in, they give you
the three inch binder. It was actually a binder back
then three inch binder, which is the big boy or
what is that right? And uh, three inches is huge. Yeah,

(01:58:31):
And so they would give you that and there'd be
a table of contents, there'd be I mean, it was
laid out professional this is this was the pros, you know,
and you had like at the top you had special
teams slots, then you had the offense install slots, and
then when you get into offense install slots, that would

(01:58:52):
break down to you know, a whole bunch of things
from formations, personnel groups, splits, informations. They would have protections,
they'd have all the sight adjustment rules, they'd have all
the hot adjustment rules. It have everything. Everything was broken

(01:59:14):
down fundamentally on there on like you could find it
in the in the playbook. Now it's transferred now to
the iPad, which it's probably way cleaner and way awesome.
And I remember we did that later in my career
for the younger guys that were coming in. But I
mean it's just a it's literally like the encyclopedia of

(01:59:35):
everything that the offense is about. I mean, it goes
you have we have an example up right here that's
exactly how it looks. It'll have the basic and then
it'll have like the defensive line. Uh, they'll have like
how each play goes against each line, It'll break down
each coverage, it'll break down everything that the defense defense does,

(01:59:59):
so you can like what did Gruden say, recognition, communicate
execution RCEE. Yep, So you'd have to recognize what's going
on after you learned your formation, personnel group, split, potential motion,
potential shift, like all those things that's in the beginning,
and then it goes into how things change against the defense.

(02:00:22):
I mean, it's a it's a it's a literally it
has every single bit of information that the coach will
explain to you. And it's much like the textbooks when
we were kids where you could read that and if
you could do that, it'd be great. But I was
always a guy that would, you know, I had to

(02:00:42):
study it. I would look at it while we were
installing it while the coach was addressing the classroom. You know,
you would go through your playbook and you would kind
of highlight and then for me, a lot of guys,
for like guys like me, receivers, the receivers always I
was a guy that used flash cards for personnel groups

(02:01:05):
because there's like sixty different personnel groups, so you know
on Rangers. That's what is said before the play that
tells everyone who they are. Rangers, the personnel group, our
rangers an eleven or eleven personnel group were example, Danny
goes to the F, I go to the z. Lafel's
on the X, and gronks at the Y. So there's

(02:01:28):
three receivers, one tight end, and then whoever is in
the backfields. In the backfield, then you would have regular.
Regular was a twelve, So then regular puts me at
z Lafel at X, and then there'd be two tight
ends that would come in, so you'd have to go
over that. So I would always flashcard personnel groups in

(02:01:50):
formations because if you fuck that up, you weren't getting
a rep. We'll be right back after this quick break.
How often are you shifting between these like so when
do you find out that you're like the Z and ranger?
Or that's how often I find that out through the coaches,
like weekly weekly. So if they'll give you a group

(02:02:12):
of personnel groups that we're gonna highlight this week, we're
gonna use these six. These six personnel groups Rangers sub
sub half and uh another one regular no regulars two
Those are all eleven personnel grips, so these are all

(02:02:34):
these could be the same. This is there's three receivers,
one tight end to and one running back like regular
uh sub half rangers, Army Marines. Those those tell like
every guy which spot they have to go into. So
you could make a play for a guy. Instead of

(02:02:55):
changing the whole concept, you could just change the personnel group.
So if you're trying to get what's this, you're trying
to get Danny at the F. Instead of putting him
at the F, you just changed a personnel group and say,
now Danny goes you know what I mean, right.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
That makes sense?

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
Tag it from there, tag it from there. You would
never tag you just say rangers, okay, and that would
put That would tell everyone where we all go. I'm
at F, I'm at Z, he's at Z, he's at X,
all right, and half I'm at at I'm at F,
he's at Z. Half again, I'm at F but maybe
half In sub everyone's in the same spot. But the

(02:03:29):
tight ends change. There's a new tight end in you
know what I mean. So the personnel groups are fucking
They were a bitch to learn. And then there's a formations.
So then the formations. They would break it down. All right, guys,
we'll have these eight formations and these personnel groups, and
then we could have these seven empties and empties were

(02:03:53):
you know, whenever you know, the quarterback is empty and
there's five guys on the line of scrimmage, five receivers,
and so like you'd have to learn where what each
formation was because you'd have to put the F in here,
the X goes outside like if you're an empty, and
it was just a whole lot of studying. And so
once you got those down, then you'd have to learn

(02:04:15):
defenses because when you things could change or you know,
then you learn your concepts. So you go personnel groups, formations,
and then you learn concepts. There was concepts that were
two man concepts and there was three man concepts. So
like read read was an incut from by one and

(02:04:36):
number two has an option route to the outside, and
so conceptually you were trying to high low this backer.
So that's read now a three man concept. Or ICE
is another one. Ice was where this guy has an
incut and this guy has a cross route. So that
you'd learn those two man's and there would be three

(02:04:56):
man concepts and so you're basically learning how you're building
in your mind, how the quarterback calls the play. So
first thing you're gonna hear is personnel group. Then you're
gonna hear formation. Then you got to learn your protections
because after your formations and concepts, you got to learn

(02:05:17):
the protections because the protections could it could change your
route if you are a sight adjusting or if you're
depending on if you can get it protected. The receivers
would have to know because if it's only a five
man protection, there could be a hot and a side
adjustment if you're an empty so you'd have to you'd
have to see where the mic point is and communicate

(02:05:38):
with the quarterback. The quarterback was set, he would set
the protection. He go, Mike fifty two, which is the
front side backer, or here you go, check easy, check easy,
We're gonna mic fifty four. He'd change the protection and
he would look at me and he'd say jewels. So
that makes him the mic. He's the mic. He's the

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will or the will because or the Sam. And then
the next guy would be a different slot, the jack,
you know, to jack and so then he would look
at me and say these two if those two guys came.
If he said two, then I'd have to break my
side adjustment. Now if he looked at me, Tom could
look at me and he could say, hey, Jules, if

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he did that, that means one or the other. If
any one of those guys come, you gotta break all right.
But if he said two, it you got to go
when the two guys come. And sometimes they would come
and one guy would jack out, so you'd have to
you'd have to get en route, all right. And then
so another one he could look at you and he
could sit there and you see your guy on your

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face coming. But Tom Paul's change protection all the way
over he over here, so he'd make that guy the
mic who's on over me, the star or whatever, and
he would sit there and go, Jules, you're luck. So
if he regardless, no matter what, whoever came, you're locked
on the route. So that's when you'd have to study

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your protections. So you go personnel, group formations, concepts, protections,
and that's kind of then you'd break into how defense
was was involved. So if you're locked on the route,
that means no matter what it's, the play called route
is drawn up. Okay, sight adjustment. What explained, the hot

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is to the strong side. So when the Sam and
Mike and Sam come, that's a hot the sight adjustments
to the weak side. So it'd be like a will
and a week safety. So like if this guy, so
you have your Mike Sam will right, you always see
the quarterback make a little strong. So what what he

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can do is though he could change. Well, we always
think that this guy is the mic, right because he's
near the tight end the strong side of the passing strength.
He could change and make that guy the MIC. Yeah,
so then it would make him the MIC. The guy
to the right of him, who is the star would
be the Sam, meaning that the lion can get it protected.
And then this guy who we think is that it

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looks like the MIC is now the will. Okay, so
the lion could take care of the Mic, Will and Sam.
You know, that's when other guys get involved. That's when
that's when side adjustments and hot hots get involved.

Speaker 6 (02:08:27):
So inside adjustment is like a to the weak side.
It's to the weak side. It's a changing the route
based off of the changing the route.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
A hot and a side adjust could be the same
kind of thing for the receiver but it's just telling
which side they go. So if it's it's to the passing, strength,
that's a hot. If it's to the passing so if so,
if I'm sitting here right and we got we make
him the mic, he's the SAM. So he whoever comes

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off here, you're hot. So you're going to fill that
space where they were. Depending on what the hot is,
it could be a it could be a burst. You
have to like a five yard hitch full speed. You
can't lollygag it because then they sniff that and then
they'll break. So you got to come off the ball hard.
Every time. That was like the number one coaching point
to any kind of side adjustment or hot, you gotta

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come off because defense is fucking smart. You know they'll
sniff that bullshit out if you come lollygagging off and
then they break and it's a pick six because they
got a guy come to that area. But if you're sprinting,
that guy doesn't know where you're going, so he'll he
would be all scared and he'll be less hesit or
less aggressive to break. So getting back strength is hot.

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So to our strong side, right, So this guy, we
make him the mic anyone come off that Sam, you're hot.
Anyone coming off the will you're sighting, and then you
just have to read if they're coming well. Depend Yeah,
we have to. But the quarterback in our system, we
had Tom Brady, so he was the ultimate reminder and

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he when he was dishing out his protections and getting stuff,
he would tell you. And the good quarterbacks do that.
If you look at like Peyton Manning all those boys,
they would sit there all right, I'm locking you. I'm
locking you because he changed the protection and it's it's
it's a fact. The protections are the most fascinating things.
That's why offensive linemen like they have not only do

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they have to be choreographed in such a great manner
together as one like they're dancing, but they have to
be able to see shit body language of the guys.
They got to be able to break down the defensive
fronts because things change, the protections change. If there's a
three down or a four down like that, that's when
we got to start, you know what I mean. But
that's more of the defensive offensive line. You really only

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needed to know the backers. Now, if it's a run play,
are you a part of the protection call too or
how does that? How does that work? So run play?
On certain run plays, uh, depending on on the mic call,
you would always have like the sixth man in the box, right,

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so the sixth man on the box or is it
the seventh? It would either be the strong the strong
safety coming down or the star or it would be
that corner if that, if that, if one of the
safeties dropped into the box, you'd be responsible if it
was a six or seventh. Scott Chettio is gonna kill me. So.

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But a lot of the times, if the course on
certain plays run plays, the quarterback would lock you on
your guy over your face because they have a line
like on a trap play or something. You wouldn't come
down to get the force because we're having alignment coming
and pull to get him, or the line is adjusting
up to that guy. You know, you'd always for the

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most part of most of the time for receivers, they're
blocking skill guys safety's corners. Now when you see the
guys at the on the bunches, the receivers on the
bunch A lot of times you're seeing with like the
Lions San Francisco, they'll have their receiver Saint Brown. He'll

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set the edge and he'll take out of the end
and then they'll pull the tackle in the in the
guard on those toss traps. But like that's those are
like one off plays and they'd have to be condensed down.
You're not really going in and getting linebackers because that's
usually for the line. There are certain occasions where like
in Seattle, the Seattle Super Bowl, on the back side

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of this, I forgot the run play, but there was
a backside play where I would go up and I
I would the linebacker would be in my face and
I would go up and go to the safety like
and you could fully get them. But then there'd be
times where they could lock you and you'd have to
just get if you're on the back side, you have
to get in his way and get in his way

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because to cut them off for the front side of
the run.

Speaker 7 (02:13:03):
But most of the time you're playing, you're you're going
against the smaller guys, unless it's one of those specialty plays.
The playbook, I mean this and everything for the offensive line,
and you have everyone's uh, you have all of it.
So you could go through the offensive line part and
see you know the shades because like they have a

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bunch of stuff on like on you know, they divide
the guy one, two, three, uh what shades they are
and you could learn all that you know. The I mean,
it's it's it's like an encyclopedia of everything fundamentally they
have in your playbook. They have a whole section on
just your the cadence and the snap counts. Wow, you

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know what I mean, the going on two, going on
three color this color that you know gold calls or uh,
you know, to change plays.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
There's an audible section how you every way to communicate
anything it was in the playbook.

Speaker 3 (02:14:06):
That's incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:14:07):
You know what if you got say how much was
getting added during like say you install a play from
week six that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
Those are all the fundamentals. Now once you get in
this is this is all training camp right right, and
there's a lot of his test to see who can
retain what and you won't even have to get if
you listen to the coaches. You you're not just gonna
sit there and be a guy that I mean, they're
smart guys that will sit there and read the playbook
and they can digest it. But if you go along

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with the coaching. You know, that'll that'll help you the
month you're paying attention to class, you don't have to
go do homework. Yeah, well, it's good to reference it,
you know what I mean, it's just like school. It's
fucking just like School's crazy to think there's some guys
that can sit there and read the formations and do it.
I mean I had to put them on flash cards
and and concepts and me and Hoyer would sit and

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bounce them off of each other. Because you know, when
you're young fo player, a lot of the a lot
of the evaluation of you is how much you can
retain Oh, how much can you take from the classroom
to the drills to the team periods. They that's like
that's the huge, like one of the biggest evaluation processes

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of these young football players because once you get to
the reg to get to your point, once you get
to the regular season, okay, you that's all fundamental. Now,
new plays, game plan plays come in and so you're
gonna have to be able to install a ten to
fifteen new plays each week potentially on what that team's

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weaknesses are.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
Are those getting sheets to go into the playbook those.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Are Yeah, so each week on a Wednesday, so you
have your big ass book and then when you come
in then you get back in the day, they would
give you sheets just like those sheets, and you'd have
all your your past concepts on there, all your run
concepts to install for that weeks prep. And so some

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of it could carry over to some of the stuff
that we already learned in training camp and in the
install but some of it can be completely new and
completely different. But if you lean on your fundamentals of
what you've learned in training camp, you'd be able to
communicate and understand it because it'll still be this. It
could be the same, it'll be the same language, but

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it could be a different concept or a different protection
or a different personnel group that's incorporated into it. So
it's just like fit finding out the puzzle. So simplify
the playbook the organization of it. You've mentioned personnel, you
mentioned formation, protection concepts, concepts. You'd have snap counts, snap counts,

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that's usually at the beginning. You'd have splits for receivers.
What is that Splits are so in certain formations of
certain plays and certain concepts. So like on a say ice,
if you're the outside receiver which ice is an incut
and a crosser. If you're the outside receiver on ice,

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you have to have a plus four split from the
number yards. Yes, then there was also a plus two
split on certain concepts. Then there was sometimes there was
a minus two split. So and then when you get
into like certain formation buzzwords like nasty, nasty tells everyone
that you're condensed. So then you'd have those in the

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playbook on buzzwords, for buzzwords for formation splitting, you'd have
Then you'd have a whole section on movement. So movement
is shifts and motions. So for us, if you heard

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if there, if the suffix was I n g ng,
then you're coming in. If the suffolk was a P app,
you're coming across. So so if you're the F and
you hear fing, you're just coming in for a pass play.
If you're because the thing is F I n G,
that is going in. So if you hear zing the

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Z is coming in ying.

Speaker 3 (02:18:21):
Go the other, you're going to the other. Because it's
a P.

Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Right fap, it would be across for a block of
blocking for a like a run play FAP. If it's
fact a C then then then you're going across for
a pass play or something. Then there was z U,
z U, zig, I G. You hear a lot of

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that with the slot that's going into the guard and
back out, So that's a formation indicator. You're seeing what
kind of coverage you can get. Then there would be
the Y shift. All that's telling you is when you
hear A you're your your letter and shift you're starting
on another the other side and you're shifting over and

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we're resetting the play to that, so you know you're
here H home. That's just telling the home is one
of those buzzwords for a shift. For the H home,
he's coming from all the way outside the receiver back
into the home spot. So it'd be a whole freaking
table of content or what is it a chapter on that? Yeah,

(02:19:27):
you know, so, I mean it goes into everything. Then
you have just beyond that. I want to hear all
the different segments. There was fing fact, there is H
fing fact, fat uh zig or zig. There was Z shift.

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Then there was H home and you could use all
the other letters for that you have and I'm probably
missing one. Yeah, that's you'd have there, And there was
probably a couple others. Then there was there would be
what was this, There was a fast one, like a
fast motion. We started doing that, so that's that Mike

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McDaniel would like McDaniel. There, there'd be the fast it's
like a rabbit zing or there there's there was certain
buzzwords for that. If I heard it, I would I'd
be able to do it. What other like.

Speaker 6 (02:20:23):
Chapters outside of like movements, so we got personal formation
protection concepts, snapcount splits, movements.

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
Movements and motions. Motions. We'll be right back after this
quick break. So there is like it's a misnomer that
there's actual plays in the playbooks rather than you go
concepts and then concepts, then concepts and routes. So then
you'd have you'd have every single route, you know, like

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a go route, a in cut. Then there's there was
the fourteen yard in cut, the twelve yard incut, the
twenty yard in cut. There was you know, there was
the stopper route, which is a twenty five yard like
comeback but you break, you open in and come back
down the line. There was a comeback at sixteen. There
was a comeback at fourteen. There was a ten yard out.

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There was a five yard out or you know six
to twelve you usually uh, you know you have your
slot routes, which were you know, then there's tosser, two slants,
there's hook, which is a three man concept. The three
has the hook, the two has the diagonal with something

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that you always see. And the guy has an m
R which is must outside release go on the outside there.
I mean, we're going off to just the knowledge of
my brain and you know, a lot of knowledge maybe,
I mean, how see, I'm always curious going back to
a lot of these like some of these oftens don't
don't id the mic is crazy to me. I think

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a lot of them do. It's just who depending on
who's identifying the mic. Okay, it's either sometimes it's the
center and a lot of systems, right, like a lot
of the younger quarterbacks in the West Coast systems. From
what I've been told, right, what I heard, the center
makes the call.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:22:15):
But then and then you hear some of these ones
where like I mean, of course the patriots or the
outlier here and what you know more than anybody, but
like how simplistic are some of these offens?

Speaker 3 (02:22:25):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
You hear some of these where like a guy comes
from like a really simple system and it's like, how
different is that from like the most simple NFL on
to like the Patriots, I would say simple or offenses
or just offenses that don't try to get into the
right play and call a play and run that play
and there's no there's no adapt adaptation to that play

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according to what the defense is doing, which do exist
in the ear twenty twenty six in the NFL, which
do exist. Okay, that's crazy, I mean, isn't that the
whole thing with the Patriots offense? But sometimes when you
got guys, so that that's the fine line, right, when
you got guys, what you what a coach's job is
to do is to make the player play as fast
as you can. And sometimes when you flood the guy's

(02:23:11):
minds with too much, then they're thinking they're not going
to be able to play totally. So, you know, it's
harder to get a lot of these complex advantages and
complexities of change during play, during pre snap, during post snap,
because a lot you know, then a lot of guys

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got to be on the same page at the same time,
and sometimes a lot of teams don't have the luxury
of that guy gets hurt. Young guys on offense, young
quarterback can't get it like that. That that's very hard
to do, right. So personnel is going to dictate so
much of that personnel dictates what you can do.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
That makes sutal sense.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
Was there a specific player concept when you first started?
That just fried your brain? It just couldn't. It was
the hardest one to grasp. He used to have this
thing called the wiggle route, and I used to hate it,
and West was really good at it. The wiggle route
was like in a West Coast system is called like
the basic. The basic is they would do like but

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it was different than the basic. The basic is like
a twelve yard incut. It's usually the slot guy runs
a twelve yard speed incut and he goes well. The
wiggle route was kind of like that ten to twelve
yard in cut, and you could but a verse man
you had to break it down and give him something
at the top and break flat to downhill if it

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was one man. If it was cover five, which is
two man, you could run the end cut. But if
he was walling you off, you could pull it out
all right, and then if it was zone and it
was to Tampa, you would find the zone. So there
was like three different things, and I always struggled on

(02:24:57):
like the the Cover five one. I don't know because
I always wanted to whip it out. But if you
could win in, you could keep it going. And there's
a lot of indecision and that's the worst thing for
a quarterback to see in a route. So you you
know what I mean. So you had three routes, and

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you know, it took me time to like figure out
how to do it. So the wiggle route, oh wiggle.
And then there was like the Q route, which was
kind of like the outside version, which the old Q was.
If it was rolled rolled meaning covered two, you had
this guy was letting you go, and there's a half

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field safety you run, you know, you run the bow
route where you get inside, you reset your vertical stem
to about fourteen and then you hit a high seven
and let the quarterback flatten you in between the half
field safety and the the flat zone defender right versus

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Cover three. It was like a I think it was
like a coral route. And then if it was man.
If it was man, you uh press you had to
get inside and then you'd run and then you'd hit

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like an inside stutter where you could take it. It's
almost like a post corner. It was just it was
the same kind of three routes with in one route
according to coverage. And it was before like I was
comfortable reading coverage post now. I mean I was always
actually pretty good at reading coverage. It was just the
running of the route from me and and being able

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to make them all look the same and not dictating
because like these dbs man that there, they know they're
bullshit readers, but read it, you know what I mean.
They could feel if you're if you're hesitating at something,
they feel it and they break and they make the plays.
They're they're they're extraordinary athletes.

Speaker 6 (02:27:13):
Was there a moment where you feel like it clicked
or like when you felt like I can actually use
my physicality versus my like became instinct versus like thinking
through it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
I mean I would say after like my third my
third my third year, like it was just clicking in spurts,
kind of like my golf game, you know what I mean.
And then by by the year three, you know, I
had enough, I had enough reps of actual feeling it
in practice. Uh, you know, doing it an offseason with Tom.

(02:27:45):
The you know, the amount of reps that I had
at that point helped me because I felt every situation
at that point you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:53):
Weren't topping the ball or slice and that they would.

Speaker 1 (02:27:56):
Yeah. And then I got one last question, lets you
get anything? I think to Kyler's last question to a
quick follow, But like, at what point not only were
you grasping that thing? Were you and Tom like mind
melded like full his brain's my brain, Like we're seeing
the field the exactly like probably a year five okay,
that figured something war or five when Welker left those

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extra first team route. Yeah, that and it was you know,
he had to start trusting me. It's hard for those
guys to you know when when when you have a guy,
when you're a quarterback, you know, in regardless, water flows downhill,
water flows downhill. One other one guy, I swear I

(02:28:41):
was trying to look this up over here. I swear
I remember maybe on my mind's playing tricks on me.
I swear someone on the Patriots left their playbook at
the hotel on the road in like a preseason.

Speaker 3 (02:28:53):
Game against I was just gonna ask what penalty.

Speaker 1 (02:28:57):
That could be conduct detrimental that could be like a
thirty five Wow, yeah, because you bring on the road
with you right. Oh yeah, but that thing. But when
you're in, when you're like now with the iPads and stuff,
when do they switch the iPad? I want to say,
like my fourth year okay, so third fourth year Microsoft Surface.

(02:29:17):
But the thing is with the iPads, they have more
power the team. So they would collect iPad like during
camp and ship. They would collect the iPads after games
or during games, you know what I mean. They would
collect There would be a fucking big ass like home
thing and you'd have to go and turn your iPad
and you know, there'd be a coach coming to a

(02:29:39):
you don't you turn your iPad? And they can update
stuff better update or they could just wipe you. They
can also keep track of how much you're using. Oh,
they keep track of how much you're using. Can you
go to like websites and stuff on it or no? No,
it's pretty long. I mean my boy Jared had my ship,
I had my b shout out angry birds on there. No, No,

(02:30:04):
I just you know what what jail broke was me
being able to look at the news there like the
fact that I could look at the news. We couldn't
even get on Google. You'd be there and getting on
news and be like, oh shit, hell yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:30:17):
Get to see some articles just reading keeping up with
the world, baby, that's hilarious. One last question, So you
were quarterback in college and then so now though the
playbook with the iPads, it's so awesome because you could
go through all your thing and then you could see
and you could press a button and see an example
of the play.

Speaker 1 (02:30:40):
So yeah, it's a little bit more of like a
multi media experience. It's insane now you have it all
on your iPad. So you were a quarterback in college,
do you remember, like remember a specifically complicated play from
from your time in case I've been trying to do
that and I remember, like I don't remember the play calling.

(02:31:01):
But it was a West coast so there was like
eighty four, i'd have a protection or seventy three, or
i'd have a sixties or sixties. Seventies and eighties eighties
were like I was fully protected. Then there'd be some
like kind of get open wide shallow look. It was
like a West coast spread. I've really I gotta I
gotta call up old Dougie Fresh should get him on

(02:31:22):
the show, Doug Martin, I should shout out, we should.
I think he's at Elon right now.

Speaker 3 (02:31:26):
Let's go, baby, Let's make a trip down. Let's go
over to Burlington, North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:31:31):
His wife's she she used to kill it in the
real estate world. Oh killing it.

Speaker 3 (02:31:36):
He's probably running Burlington right now.

Speaker 1 (02:31:38):
Probably.

Speaker 3 (02:31:38):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:31:40):
You don't remember like a play call like you. I
just remember. I remember the concept. I remember my favorite
concept was poker. I don't remember like because dude, after
here and all, it just gets wiped. It gets white
because I've heard and then I remember doing that. But
like because early in my my early in my career,

(02:32:04):
the protections were messing with me. Because seventies we used
to have a thing called scat protection where it's five
man protection only, and that was the same as like
your your your seventies protection, so like I had a
lot of that, or eighties was the same as my
sixties in college. So then I kind of wipe it. Yeah,
you know what I mean? Can you give us a

(02:32:25):
quick John Gruden esque Blake Hall, I don't really from
the Patriots from the Patriots. You could go like sub
home home to fiing home home. It could be home

(02:32:46):
f right, fing right one thirty four, f bow ice
alert ride one thirty or alert thirty four gap or
or something, or you could there. The thing is, it
gets wordy when you would get like two or three

(02:33:07):
play calls. It's all you got to do is say
two fucking plays. It's alert and so and and the root.
By the time you're in it, just when I hear
the play call, when Tom would say I heard, I
would hear the protection, I'd hear the concept, and then
there'd be a couple of buzzwords. You know you're sitting
you know you're sitting in the huddle all year. All right,
all right, fing, al right, I got a thing right,
you know what I mean, and how to say the

(02:33:29):
play would be in the playbook, you know what I mean,
Like right there home, what I say, I told you
the h started out home to f right, So wherever
he is he's we got to get to f right,
which is the formation, and then fing telling me to
fing in righte one thirty four, which is the protection

(02:33:50):
play action, f bow ice alert ride one thirty or
alert thirty four alerting to just the run if it
was two safeties. You know, I mean, I'm not a
fucking I was never like a I mean you know,

(02:34:11):
I was never like you hear all these backup quarterbacks
like Hoy Dog and or Lawski, like those guys they
could recite their whole thing because they were communicating it,
you know what I mean. When and I remember that
struggle from when I turned to quarterback to receiver. Hearing
a play was different than saying the play. Like it

(02:34:33):
took me a while to learn how to hear the
play and know what to do. Then when I used
to when you say the play, you know, oh for
sure it is. It's so stupid for me. But I
mean the backup quarterbacks they were always like they had
to know everything. Yeah, and they're getting mental reps like crazy,
they're getting mental reps slant with a clipboard your hand, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:34:55):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:34:57):
And once you get out, I mean, if I were
to go back for like, that's why I love going back.
You know, you go to the Patriots, you can go
to their meeting, like they let me come and sit
in on their meetings, or a will let me sit
in or whoever whoever the coaches were at the time,
they've gotten to sit in on all of them. That's
when it refreshes, you know what I mean, it's all shit, Okay,

(02:35:17):
now they're doing this, you know, and Josh getting to
sit in Josh meetings McDaniels. You know, I could a lot.
You could see where the play callings evolved because now
that they're making them less worthy and they're having buzz
words tell like a lot of guys what to do.
So there it could be like only three words, but

(02:35:37):
those three words could be protection. Concept got to be crazy, yeah,
And then we'd have like a NASCAR package in the
playbook where it would be that or one one word
would tell just everything. So that would be a lot
of the things. When we were installing, like weekly, the
coaches would say, you know, all right, we're gonna do

(02:35:58):
these four NASCAR plays and they'd break them in. We'd
only do it for like those three days or two days,
and then they they would say, all right, we're adding
four more NASCAR plays. So they'd expect you to you
have to already know those ones, and so you're at
eight by the week, you know, day five, and then
after day seven, they'd give you a four more NASCAR plays.

(02:36:20):
So you're building your book. You're building you know that
that's how they would install it. You know. So just
for the audience, NASCAR is like a hurry up. Nascar
would be no huddle and then the play calls like
one word and you have to know one word everyone.
What's a like? Jordan was like a jan isn't Barkley

(02:36:41):
one too? Barkley was uh it was Barkley. Barkley was
Charlie Sheen. So the Charlie Charlie program was a certain protection.
So we we had Charlie Sheen, We had Charles Barkley,
I love it, Yeah, Charley wil which was stopper, you know,

(02:37:03):
on the outside. He was the best stopper of all time.
We have Jordan. We had Alli, which was those were
our like go tos that we could always run. It
was a fundamental play. It was empty right or bonds
I right, haas Z juke which is you know haas
and then the Z has a juke route. Jordan would

(02:37:23):
be to the right. Allie would be the same play
on the left. You know, you'd have Jordan and then
there'd be like, uh, man, I'm gonna get exposed for
not knowing my play.

Speaker 6 (02:37:37):
And like this is like you guys were lining up
or like you're going from cann you're running up Jordan, Jordan, Jordan,
here Tommy tom Like.

Speaker 1 (02:37:45):
Jordan Jordan, Nascar, Nascar Jordan. Everyone get the line of scrimmage.
Everyone know what to do. So like someone like Ray
Lewis that might have a lot of experience against you,
guys might have some film, might have some tape on
like some of these Nascar plays could. Yeah, but if
you're going fast, can know what you're doing, execute, You
still got to execute that. You could go Jordan. He

(02:38:05):
could go Jordan Jordan, and we'd all set up in
Bond's eye and then he could sit out there and
look at us and give us hook. He could and
we'd all have to look. And if he goes like that,
then it changed all three of us what to do.
There was nonverbal coms or or you can go. What
what you could do is we call a play in
the huddle, and you can go xerox, xerox. Xerox and

(02:38:27):
xerox meant same exact, same exact formation, And there was
no play making copies, and so you're making copies, and
you could sit there and there'd be no place, and
then all of a sudden he would get us into
a play based off of how they line up. That
was called the molasses that would be in the pre
pre there would be a pre snap, a pre snap menu,

(02:38:50):
which motions and all that cadence molasses was. There was
no play call MOMO, So he could sit there, all right,
it's on MO. It's on MO. You you had to
hear gold, gold color or like the buzz color for
the play to be in. So he gets set up
there and this is how you try to get the
defense that, you know, kind of show what they were

(02:39:10):
doing there, White twenty, why twenty hot hot, hard heart,
like eighty eight by eight. So sometimes and then you
go gold thirty. Gold tells everyone plays on gold thirty
set up. So even on those like hard cuts, there

(02:39:32):
might not even be a play call. It's just let's
see what you got, Let's see what you were just
trying to get a tell out of the defense. Again,
I mean, depending on the defense you were playing, who
is the disguised defense man?

Speaker 3 (02:39:44):
If John Gruden just heard you do that, oh the
hair on the back of.

Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
The whytt how I mean call, they wouldn't know. But
how often do you think, like McDaniels is in Brady's
ears in there until fifteen seconds. That's a lot of
the NASCAR. So that's why that's it. That's so when
you when you gotta say, you have a really good

(02:40:08):
defensive line, we'll be right back after this quick break.
And what NASCAR would do is NASCAR, if you could,
you could run out of sub which is three receivers,
or you could run it out of regular, but that's
hard because then you got guys going in different spots. Right,
So when you have a good, good defensive line, fast guys, NASCAR,

(02:40:32):
what it does is it doesn't allow them to substitute,
which is huge.

Speaker 3 (02:40:37):
So and you can go fast.

Speaker 1 (02:40:39):
And so if you get to the line of scrimmage,
you get you get to the line of scrimmage with
the most time as you possibly can. Then Tom and
Josh can communicate until fifteen So as soon as the
other play is done, the forty clock starts.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
That's a lot of time to talk.

Speaker 1 (02:40:53):
Forty clock starts, right, So if you're done, say it's
a long play downfield, then everyone gets to the line
of scrimmage. You got you use your NASCAR term. All right,
we're going Jordan, all right, we're going with Charles Barkley.
Charles Barkley. Everyone gets into Charles Barkley. You're there with
twenty eight seconds. You got fourteen seconds if you got
there in ten seconds, or twelve seconds if you get

(02:41:15):
everyone gets the line scrimaged by fifteen seconds. You got
ten twelve seconds to communicate with Josh. So then they
could sit there. Tom can't talk to him, but he
can hear them, you know. So then then we used
to do like muddle huddles. That muddle huddle is kind
of like a fast huddle where we're not getting back
to the huddle. We're kind of getting back and we're
getting near the line of scrimmage and we're yelling out

(02:41:37):
NASCAR terms, but it's not Nascar. Nascar means we're going fast. Yeah,
so muddle huddle is different than NASCAR. That would be
in the pre so it'd be so crazy. The gold
term you have like the buzz terms and black eighty eight.
Black eighty eight would be on three full masterclass. Right
now you're saying the kids that Phillips and over with Ernie,

(02:41:58):
your fucked no good coaches, you know how to simplify.
Good coaches simplify And a lot of the evaluation of
training camp is to try to get guys to be
anxious about how much there is, to see how much
they can they can handle and see that hey, you

(02:42:19):
don't have to know all this where if you listen
to the coaching staff that you know, this is what
we're going to go over, learn those you know what
I mean. It's all part of everything, the evaluation process
of how you're building your team one hundred percent. But
like to go back to what we said earlier, it's
all about like personnel dictates so much of this. Like
when you got when it was you and Dolan, Gronk
and Jojo and it was just clicking and you guys

(02:42:41):
could go no huddle so often. Oh that was the best.
That was like the strength of you know, with Chris
Hogan and Malcolm Mitchell and Dola, Like we weren't like
the most explosive group, but the strength of that team
was a smartness. Everyone's same, everyone was smarts. The beauty

(02:43:03):
of the airhard Perkins is when everyone's got it, everyone's
everyone was on the same page at all times. That
was the best to watch. Oh god, I loved it. Man,
that was awesome. Guys, keep keep Uh we should people
leave comments on YouTube. Maybe maybe we'll get a whiteboard
and like pick up a pick a playoff. I gotta
get my playbook. I have playbooks, so maybe we should

(02:43:24):
just expose it. Oh fire, let's go speacause exposing in playbooks.
I always think back to that. Uh when you remember
when Chris uh, Chris Cooley got in trouble in the
early days of like instagram, he took a picture was
like in the preseason, like cracking open the playbook and
he was studying the playbook naked, so you could see.

Speaker 3 (02:43:40):
It's like the typical in the Instagram picture like.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
Three like penis related. Yeah, Chris cool. While keeping on
those IELs, who's Chris Cooley? He was a tight end
the watch for a little while. I remember he was
actually a good place. Yeah yeah, I don't know why.
That's in my taking up space in my brain.

Speaker 3 (02:43:59):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 6 (02:44:05):
Keepsen in these we love pulling met the Curtain man
because that was playbo. But that got into a lot
of different stuff. But I've always want to know how
You don't answer it, We'll do another time. But like
you guys got to like how you know personnel from
the sidelines, when to go in and how.

Speaker 1 (02:44:15):
Signals and that goes into like you practice. That's what
practice is for, you know, like all the receivers are
in with the receiver coach on the sideline, all the
running backs are with the running backs, and you you
have to practice those things. Your communication coming in the field,

(02:44:36):
with your signal. There were certain signals half hat your
sub army, army, we all had signals at receiver which
probably change.

Speaker 5 (02:44:46):
Uh, you know, but you have to cycle through anything
that's going to be on tape, signals and whatnot, you
know what. But like it didn't really change that often really,
so like one of those things like that's our best shot.

Speaker 1 (02:44:59):
Man again, Man, we're gonna beat you. I mean, yeah,
I don't know the personnel groups. Man, what a game?
Thirteen second game. Thanks all timer, All timer, All timer,
Thanks again to Mitch Morris. It was fun to hear
his perspective because he was on both both those teams.
It's a big man to come in here and talk

(02:45:20):
about that lost. It takes a big man, respect, Bro.
What a guy likes pain? He does? He likes pain.

Speaker 3 (02:45:29):
Hey, he's one of us, baby.

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