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July 23, 2024 65 mins

This week Reid and Dan Isbell host genre-bending artist Koe Wetzel out in God's Country. The guys share their What Ya Mad At stories of the week and seem to have a common theme, which is hating on certain vehicles. Koe spills the beans on his best arrest story, the ins and outs of catfish noodling, and how they all share a love for big deer. Reid and Dan fanboy over Koe's new album "9 Lives" and have had it on repeat ever since they recorded this episode.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up? You're offering God's Country with Read also.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Known as The Brothers Hunt, where we take a weekly
drive to the intersection of country music and the good
old outdoors, two things that go together, like football in
the Great State of Texas.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Or water Burger and Jail or Burger. Produced by Meat
Eater and on our podcasts Cole Wetzel Smells Good, Smells Good,
Great record out the Record's Great, Tough Texas. Cool cat man,
but can also cool black cat, black cat with none lives,
can also swing golf.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Club, can swing golf club, can shoot a boat. I
didn't I thought he was gonna look like be dressed tougher.
Came in here looking like a golfer man?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Did he? Is that what golf people look like? Had
like tough, tough, tough golf guy. It wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
If he goes up there and shoots, like shoots seventy
five on you. Yeah, that's impressive the way he's built,
and like if I don't know how good of a
golfer he is, but nine lives, New records, out Man,
Cool stories. He's a hunter's kill big deer fished in
the bast Master Classic. Just a cool cat great stories.
Country boy doesn't have to put on this family guy,

(01:18):
you know, kind of right in his ways, you know,
trying to be a little bit more uh, civil in
his actions as a as a grown man. Appreciate that
the music's great, so keep it coming. Yeah, this this
record's crazy. Go go check it out. It really is cool.
Feels like there's there's no bounce to it. It just
does what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
And thanks for checking us out. I'll be sure and
smash that like and subscribe, smash that whatever, hit that
subscribe button and go follow you boys on whatever you
like to look at on your phone. Tuesday morning, jeez,
I got my I told Jordan. I was like, hey,

(01:58):
next time, maybe we should This is when you were
not here and Coe beat us here and was sitting
on the couch ready for when I walked in. I
was like, maybe next time we should get the label
of the coffee cups on the other side. Or she
was like, maybe you should hold it with your left
hand because you're supposed to drink your coffee with your
non dominant hands so you can react with your domina.

(02:19):
I don't know that's a real thing. No, she totally
made it up a Wikipedia, So we make stuff up
on here all the time. I was like, or just
maybe put it on both sides. You don't want to
try to? Can we start this today?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
You started?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay? So one of my favorite pastimes is to like
tell a little lie in a room and watch it
just like spread. Yeah. So my new one that I
started doing is that I'm doing a thing called warm
plunging right instead of it's it's so what warm plunging

(02:55):
does like showers up your vessels and it really gets
your blood flowing for them. You'll notice if you have
a good reddish huge to your skin, your face, you're
really doing a correct warm plush. Just try it, Just
take a lot of show.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's called warm plunge. Everybody's doing it right.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I've been been doing it forever.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
You've been doing my whole life. Yeah, still alive. It's amazing.
Not live, man. We got a Texan on the couch
this morning. Loves to fish, loves to noodle some catfish
billboard chart topping, a genre disruptor, as it's been said,
like to see that uh co Wetzel is.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
In God's country with us? Can we give a rent
of falls for coke. Hey did your parents?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Was like, lets mean coal and they're like, no, take
the l out, just.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Cold, No, my oldyll And then I was like, I
still have an ant that calls me cold, but really
it was always cold, like David Allen co and uh,
it's changed the c to a K.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I feel that another artist I already told him this,
and another artist that walked in here smelling like a
million dollars. The guys happen. The guy smells smell honestly
like something happens.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
How are you thirty one?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, something happens when you hit thirty. You're like, Man,
I think I don't want to stink anymore. I want
to I think I want people to think.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm I told him I didn't go to the red
door last night. I actually got some sleep.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Woke up.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
We're gonna we're gonna talk about Bro. You fished in
the pro Am bast Master Classic. I'm so jealous of that, dude.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Did you fish with Mattie Wong? Did you learn anything
I did? Uh? He throws a drop shot a lot,
and I hardly ever fish a drop shot.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you fish with?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Usually Texas rig or swim baits or I love top Water,
top water frogs.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
A Southern fish. Yeah, it sounds like you're a bank like, Yeah,
put it on.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
He's got a world tour coming up, new album out,
Nine Lives, which is a damn banger.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Dude, don't get me started. I'll talk the whole fifty
minutes on that. You're gonna stream it, but uh, but
first we're gonna start it off like we've been starting
it off. Mad. Just tell us what it is.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
What's manner?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
You in lost Kids?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Might be your boss man or your neighbors cat. Just
tell us what your mad?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
New guy raised up there like swinging his head.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
What you uh? What's what's egging you this time? Mais? Dude, Josh,
I hate we might have a theme here this morning.
I'm just saying, dude, why do they exist?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Bro? Is anybody ever loved masdom? This?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
And let me show you? Is that usually the one
where I've got the spoiler and I videoed it. I
videoed it so that y'all would know that I wasn't
lying because somebody, man, you just look too big. Stories
you're a liar. No, dude, I'm not true. Let me
ask you this. Is it illegal to have blinking lights
on your car like Papa. I mean, I would think
unless you're an official lawman, check this monsdam mianda out

(06:13):
right here? See those would you pull out of the
way if that was behind you? That undercovered? So you
don't know he come, he ran upon me with blinking lights.
Show the camera that's legit blink there's a there's a
legit blinking camera. I hope is slices played in there anyway.

(06:37):
So I'm like, oh, man, must be a volunteer fire
apartment guy. Don't know why being a this is like
an undercover cool guy. I pulled out of the way.
This something bitch just goes and it slows down. I
was like, bro Co is on the count right now.
I had to buy some golf clothes this morning. It

(06:58):
took me a little bit longer. You didn't go to
pick there. Got them that's got him down, got him down,
three twenty five set of wedges. I had plenty. I
saw her at like it wasn't even eight o'clock yet.
I mean, there was plenty of time. And so like
you know, I'm trying to be here about nine and everything,
and and this mins to me comes.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
It sounds like you're not mad at Masama. It sounds
like you're mad at the guy driving the mazamyada this morning.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I guess he drives. Is that person unfollowed dude.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm gonna be honest with you. Just unfollowed and don't post.
Don't don't at me, dude. And people that drive them,
yeah boo. Not a good look for the pot this morning.
By the way, Cole was literally here way before both.
I'm just saying, it's all good. The smaller of the car.
You know what they say.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
You said it not me, brother, right, go where you're
mad at.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I wasn't mad this morning, wasn't mad. I woke up
feeling great, kissed my kids, got in the true uck,
started driving, and I was like, man, it's something I
could be mad at this morning. And then I was like, man,
maybe it's cyber trucks. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I was like, maybe it's cyber trucks, but like, I
don't really know why I'm at. And then it like
it was like a god thing because I was driving
on sixty five and I saw one drive and this
is the truth, this is sixty five South. Because I
was actually gonna say, like, I can't say it. I
saw one, it didn't but then I actually saw one.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think it's a I think it's disrespecting trucks to
call that thing a truck, Like, I think it's a
disrespect to like the traditional truck bed. You know what
I'm saying, Like, like, I love trucks, man, and I
don't love that thing, don't.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't want to drive one, just because I'll probably
end up liking it.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I wish that And this is I hope. I don't
hope anybody ever gets in a car wreck. And if
they do that, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
They But I wish slow. I just wish that every
time I see one, I wish the wheels would fall
off or something like something would happen, because it's so
supposed to be so you know, like durable and understrust.
You know, they're like hitting them with baseball bats and stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Oh, that's a tough truck.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
If you're ever if you're ever stuck in war and
somebody shooting on horseback, you're in the right vehicle.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, cyber trucks, just call them cyber boxes or something like.
Don't call them a truck. It's not a truck. I
just wish they looked a little like cooler to me,
it's just very It's just a man speaking, which my
truck is sparked in the middle of everything. So if
anybody needs to move, just hit me for your keys.
What you what you mad at? You to be mad
at anything.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm still mad at the Dallas Mavericks, me too.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
And and if we're gonna go that far, I'm I'm
still mad at the Dallas Cowboys. Just just throw it
all the way up every morning, you know, Like I said,
you know, my routine going.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
And like, dude, they got smoked.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
It was so bad. I was, you know, I stopped
watch like halfway through the fourth quarter. I was just like,
its ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You know. Through Boston's good team, man, they are.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
They're really good. And the maps are great, We're great.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
But just we got to the finals, it's like we
just forgot how to play defense. Yeah, couldn't get anything
to fall.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
It was just it was terrible.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
They looked tired, if you want to know. To me,
like Luca couldn't get going really well.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Lucas pissed off every reff of the league. So we
weren't gonna get Rey called anyway.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, yeah, and so it.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Was just it was this might have been the first series,
like the first final series that I didn't watch. I
didn't watch a game.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Really.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
We were on vacation last week, so kind so much
when we went.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
But uh, my Bookie is super poked.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
It was like, Luca, that made me because I have
no money, so I'm like, yeah, yeah, I thought they
I thought they would show up a little bit more.
But man, Jaylen Brown, he went on.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, and he's not even considered the star of
that team, but then he is, I mean, hot take,
He's just as good, if not better than than Kid is.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm not a Tatum guy, Dude, I feel like, I mean,
he could show up for he showed up by Sime
and honestly, but I feel like he plays soft. That's
where is where JB kind of feels like he got
that dog get him a little more, you know what
I'm saying. But yeah, Luca, man geez, get.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
It together down, Kyrie, he's just that Boston curse. I
just think he'll never like get over that Boston lucky
and everything. I was just like, come on, we got
to be playing the Celtics in the finals.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
But uh, you're a sports guy. You played played the
linebacker at Carlton. Where was that is that in Texas?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
So it's just south of fourth. Uh it was Division
two whenever I went, nowother d one. But yeah, it's
just a it's a cowboy talent. So it's it's more
of a rodeo school pretty much. It's a branch off
of Texas A and M and Yeah. So everybody always
says that the drinking team has a rodeo problem, and

(12:03):
that goes that goes with the football team as well.
You know, drin a rodeo like Blue Mountain State. It's
like Blue Mountain State, but with a bunch of cowboys
and cowgirls. Oh dude, that's that's that's why I got
kicked out of school. You can play a little football, absolutely,
but you know, in Texas, football is life. So yeah,

(12:26):
you know you can get away with filling a couple
of classes and still being able.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
To play for sure. Man, Yeah, I know that. How
close is that team to where you grew up?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Oh it's around four hours from where I grew up.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
So it was Uh, I had some scholarships to play
you know, baseball and football kind of around where I
grew up, but I kind of wanted to get away
from home and and uh be away for a little
bit so to throw out and uh started playing music
out there, and.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You're here in college is when you kind of started.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, I mean I grew up playing like through high
school and stuff, but with the band and everything, it
all started in college.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
When was like, what was your first your first memory
of music?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Man, I mean I grew up my mom she sang
and did all that too, So I mean I was
always around live bands and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Did she seeing She do covers just.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Like a bunch of old like Tanya Tucker, Patsy Klin,
Like she played like old like opry houses and stuff
with a bunch of old folks, Like like on the
weekends you just go and play like two hour sets
and just covers and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
So oh yeah, jump yeah. I was a little head,
a kid just running up and down the aus.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
It's fun, man, it was great. It was a lot
of fun. Do you feel like when when the day
look and I know it's never coming, right, I know
the day is never coming. But let's say there is
this happens to be this day where you hit the
brakes a little bit and put a little settle down
in your blood. Do you feel like you'll push your
kids to play football?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Really? Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
That's an interesting answer.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Like I said, it was like I'm from Texas, so
like I feel like it's just bread into it for
some reason.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, Dave, you gotta play you gotta play football.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
See, I played my entire you know, youth and growing
up in high school and I had some had some
little looks, uh, but I ended up playing music instead
and kind of got a scholarship for that. But I
I wanted to be done.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I just you know how how like it's like your
days even in the summer go to like six o'clock at.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Absolutely yeah, I don't. I mean, and I say that,
but like I mean, if they want to do something else,
yeah for sure. And my dad was never like super
hard on me to be like you know, but I
mean I loved it, you know, and and you know
everything that it taught me and stuff. So I mean
I'm gonna push them towards it a little bit. But
I mean, if they decided that's not what they want
to do, then I'm not gonna be the dad like, you're.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Gonna do this?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Is your back hurt right now?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Oh my god, that my knees. Yeah, it was like, oh,
football is great.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
We had Craig Morgan on yesterday and he was talking
about kind of the same it's very parallel with with
the army. He was saying the same thing. He was like,
and now I asked him, I said, well, would you
are you gonna encourage your kids to go to the
army because he's like, I mean, he's like red, white
and blue dude big time. And he was like, no,
I don't want him to do it at all. And
so it's interesting to me with people who have passions

(15:16):
as to whether or not. But he ended up saying
if I could go back and say do it all
over again, I would tell him, yeah, absolutely go into
the army because you I mean you you know, it's
like there is a there's something weird that happens in sports,
like a feeling of camaraderie that I don't feel like
comes from anything else.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Oh for sure, it's it's going to war with your brothers.
The type of shit, you know, tinks you a lot
about life, honestly, and just I don't know it's a
it's a lot of fun, man, it's a it'll be
out there. And it was always controlled violence for me.
It was like whenever I was pissed off and mad,
I know that I get out there and just get
away with anything I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You know, So you think you got CTE.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Oh but as crazy as I am, probably, but I
don't know. I think that just him. I think that
just want to be awzel. But but no, I mean,
I don't know if people see CTE know that they had,
so I might have it.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Honest, I can't believe we're actually about it, kind about it.
It's a funny conversation. Then I definitely have it. Oh,
my brain's mush. Let's get into hunting a little bit. Yeah,
did you did you grow up hunting where like around
your spot where you grew up?

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, so I grew up hunting, you know. Ever since
it's just been passed down from generation generation.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Come up.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
You know, my family didn't have a whole lot of money,
so my grandparents and all that, you know, it was like, oh,
we ate, you know, you know, we hunted to eat
and everything like that. And but yeah, it was always
just a family tradition and stuff and grew up around
the land that that I own today. It's been in
our families just like the nineteen tens or twenties.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, it's uh today, Yeah he went back and basted
your family. Come off, Yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's uh, it's it's always been growing up in the
woods and in those woods specifically, and now getting to
go back and and steal hunt.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's it's a lot what kind of what kind of
country is it? Is it? Because like I've hunted Texas,
I've hunted kind of like south north in the northwestern.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
You'll probably out like more y'all, like what actual people
actually think of what rest country?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
West country?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, so where I grew up is northeast Texas, so
it's kind of like almost lose you on.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So it's like pine trees and thickets and stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So there's a big deer in that.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, it's really good deer.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Kind of a hidden gym. Man. They take some giants
out of.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
There, and they uh, they had that thirteen inch ll
like whenever I was like ten or eleven, they used
to it if it had horns kill and all the
rednecks where I grew up, you know, they wouldn't let
anything pass. And uh so they passed the thirteen inch
roll and everybody's so pissed off about it. And then
five or six years later, everybody starts killing his master.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Dear.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I'm like, oh, great idea.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I was like to actually know what they're talking about.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, it's uh, it's it's always been in the family, man,
It's it's uh. We take a family trip every year,
get all the cousins and h uncles and everybody together
and and you know, teaching other generations. I don't have
any kids, but my cousins kids, and I mean hopefully
our grandpa is still around and we get to throw

(18:35):
him up in the stand. I got to hunt with
him this.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Year and he's eighty two. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
So it's the stories we get to we're still creating
is a lot of fun, you know, stories that I'll
remember forever, and still getting to make new ones.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's so it's great.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, man, that's awesome. Keep it, keep it in the family.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I bet I bet it.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Uh might get a little wild on there about ten o'clock. Absolutely,
when the kids put their iPads up, the Wetzels, the Wetzels,
let's get wild for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
What's you're like, if if there was a season, if
if one season could be all year long, what would
it be for like, if you could pick it.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Probably just bow hunting both season.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
For me.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I'm I'm a avid bow hunter. I have been since
I was like eight years old. I got my first
bow when I was like eight and then, Uh, I
didn't kill my first year with the bows. I was
like eleven or ten or eleven or twelve and then uh.
But you know now I'll hardly ever pick up a
rifle just because I'll just eat up with it. You know,

(19:45):
there's something about it, dude, just like it's you can't compare.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
It to anything.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
The highs and loads of it to me.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
And that's uh. We were talking the other day about it.
It's like, you know, it's a game of inches. You know,
if you hit it, you know an inch or two
back or an inch two four word is too high.
You know, you got to be on your game while
bow hunt, and I think I'll never master it. I
feel like that's the best part about it is it's
it's kind of like golf almost.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know, it's what keeps bringing you back. You know,
you always want to, uh, perfect it.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
But it's one of those that, yeah, if I ever
do perfect it, then I'll just stop doing it.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, I know about that. I showed a deer
last year in Kansas and I hit him perfect. I
thought i'd hit him perfect. Showed up three days or yeah,
three days later with a hole in his side, right,
Well the lungs should be oh yeah, dude, but uh
but he was. He was alive and will and and that's.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
It's it's happened to me, you know, too many times
to count, and it'll probably happen again. But it's just
I don't know, that's what keeps bringing you back.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh yeah for sure. So you're a noodler though too. Though.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I was going to show you my my new.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Really for what you just got out of the water.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was like two three days and three
or four days ago. Big was that.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh we had a scale that went it went to
fifty and it wouldn't read on wouldn't read on it.
I call one a couple of weeks ago that was
like fifty five probably, and she was bigger than this.
So we we just said it was around sixty, little
over sixty.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Here's here's my thing, man, Like you play guitar has
got fresh scars scar up like scars from a cat.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
My tattoo is gonna be pissed. I was wondering does
that effect that it is? Honestly it does a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I get them touched up here now.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
And so I mean you make your living with you know,
writing songs and playing music, Like, do you ever think
because that's that's my thing, dude, Like mom didn't raise
no bitch. You know what I'm saying. I'll go good,
I'll do it. If we get put in the position,
I'll swim down there and stick my hands out in
a bucket or whatever y'all put them things in. But

(21:49):
here's my thing, the concrete box. And this was the
This was the description to me, was that nothing that
can really harm you can live like live under fresh
one right, Like poisonous steaks don't live under fresh They
may be down.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
There, yeah, and they have to have oxygen exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
And and even but man, I see some snapping turtles, Yeah,
snapping turtler bro I never even thought about that, dude.
What I ain't never thought about sticking your hand down
there to get a.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Catfish and by this guy plays guitar with his.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Hands and still goes down there and does that.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I gotta make sure though, so we're good.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Oh count of what insure?

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Oh pull Anthony Kim and I live off that money
for the for a little while.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Do you go down there and make sure anybody we're
talking about cafish. That'd be a per way, that'd be
a perfect insurance scam, though. Hell, like I swam down
there and chained up some giant snapping turtler, and then
you went down there and it beat your hand off,
and you for something. Do you go down there and
like you feel around to make sure they're a fishing

(23:01):
in there? First? Are you built?

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
What?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
What is?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
What's so?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
So?

Speaker 4 (23:05):
In Texas you can't like in Alabama, Like whenever I
fish with Hannah and Jeff Barron and all those, all
those people like they have boxes. You can set out
boxes and habitat for him to go in and and
lay their eggs and stuff. But in Texas you can't
do that. So for us, it's like concrete walls and
boat ramps and stuff like that. So clay banks and
so we'll just go in and get whacked. And usually

(23:29):
it's the male that hit you first, and then we'll
grab him out and the females usually in the back,
just sitting there laying and she's usually not happy.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Whenever you go in there.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Probably not have you had any just like kind of
sketchy things go down since you've been doing this, Like, oh, man,
there's a cotton mount.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, whenever I caught that fifty five a couple
of weeks ago, me and my brother in law, we're
sitting there and we were fishing. This old boat ramp
is all broke up and stuff, pretty sketchy already, know,
it's all grown up around it, but it's got hell
of fish in it. It's got fish everywhere in this
boat rout.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well how do you know that?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Because there's just there's so many different holes and they
have like exit holes and stuff. So we have three
or four people blocking holes. And then because they'll try
to get out, so you need people blocking holes, and
so we have them sitting there and we're trying to
get this one fish out.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's a pretty good fish.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
And then you know, after about two hours or like
a hell with it, Man, this fish can live to
see another day, you know. And as we're getting on
the pontoon. This dam cotton mouth comes out and he
swims up and we've been joking all day. We were like,
you know, there's a snake. There's a snake, you know,
And and he's like, oh, okay, I'm like, no, for real, there's.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
It's coming.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
He's like what It turns around and it just kind
of like comes up at it. He's like, dude, he's
a pretty He's about by my size, maybe a little
bit bigger.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
The snake.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
At the top of that pontoon, you know, sits off,
sits off the water.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
That a jumped dude. He was like a high jumper
in the Olympics. Bro, I have never seen somebody get
into boat that quick. He dropped up quick, dude.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It was Yeah, that was pretty sketchy, but.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I've told the story a thousand times. We have a
friend that gigged one one time from the front of
a canoe and from the hit with a twenty two.
It was going with this nasty split it. I'm telling you, Gideon.
We were in the canoe with left hand and then
like like pulled him up. Snak's heading up with like
sick and was singing a Skinner song. When he did

(25:37):
it was the most thing you've ever we were I'll
never forget. I mean I still have burned. We talked
about it too much anyway. Yeah, man gigging. Uh, I mean, uh,
Newland dude. I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't know. You are you fishing for me or
just it's just the adrenaline.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah, if they're uh you know, if it's a smaller cat,
we'll hit them. But all the big girls that we catch,
he usually just throw the back because we want to
catch him again.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
But yeah, it's uh, it's a drilling rush like I've
got thirty minutes after I was just steal like this.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And my dad he doesn't do it.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
He'll drive us around and drink his twisted teas and
you know, yeah, he just he just likes to get
sun burnt and talk shit. And we before I caught her,
probably legit.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Ten minutes before.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I was like, you know, compared the boat season, you know,
this is like it's up there with some of my
funnest things doing.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
He was like, okay, cool.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then I go and I pull her out and
as before I even saw I knew how big she was,
and I've got this armamenter and this armamenter, and I
know she's not go anywhere. I can tell how big
she is. And I'm like, his biggest fish ever caught,
biggest fish ever caught. And she starts going crazy, you
know what. I'm sitting there fighting with him, throwing the
boat and I started showing in my arm He was like,

(26:51):
still fun, still like that.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I was like, oh yeah, absolutely. He's like, you're done.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
But yeah, we uh yeah, we're around the river and
I mean, I guess there's probably fishing where we're at.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I guess, but I just y'all y'all around here.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, we're from Western c and uh I mean Tennessee
River runs right there, and I've had buddies behind me,
but I just I really need these uh yeah little sausages. Man.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
That's how we grew up close to Pickwick, and that's
why like our dad fish bass tournaments and I did
a little like local circuits around there, and that's how
we kind of fell in love with that, which bring.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Me to my next point. Dude, I am so jealous.
I'm super envious of you for getting the fish at
the bat on the program.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It was insane. We what lake was it?

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It was Lake Tulsa, right, yeah, it was the one,
and it's right out.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
It wasn't the lake that they fished and what lake?
What was it? I could have told yeah, yeah, we'll
get it.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
But it was just north of Tulsa. It was a
great small mouth, large mouth bass lake and got to fish.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Mattie Wong.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Uh they call you and like, hey, what you want
to do this?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah? So I followed him forever. You know.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
For some reason, I just like I went and looked, Uh,
I have my messages and I have non approved messages.
I guess for some reason, I just clicked on it.
And it was like two weeks after they had messaged
me like, hey, would you want to come and do
this my first ever celebrity program. And I was like
absolutely yeah, And so I hit him up and they

(28:27):
were like and it was me and uh Randy Moss
and Cody Cannon from Whiskey Myers and a couple of
other awesome people.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Man.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
We we got to go out there and fish and
have a great time.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
It was It was a lot of fun. It was
Moss like Randy Moss is the man. Yeah. For sure.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
He fishes a lot with my buddy Jason Cohen on
Lake Fork out in Texas, and so they've been buddies
for a while and we've been trying to get get
together and meet each other for a bit. So it
was good to I got to eat lunch with him
and and you know, talk fishing, and so it was
it was a.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Lot of catch you big ones.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Oh. I think the biggest one we caught, you know,
might have been three pounds, but we weren't going off pounds,
were going off a length, and so whenever we started
the pro couldn't start until I caught the celebrity, caught
one that was over twelve inches. Cool, and then so
within thirty minutes we had one landed. That first one
we caught like right off second cast probably and it

(29:25):
was like ten and a half.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was like stretched this little.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Yeah for really, And so we kept on and within
the first thirty minutes we had one in the boat
that was right at twelve and they're like, yeah, y'all
ready to go, and uh, we got after it. We
caught some really good fish. Just what enough, bro, You
gotta watch my dad on him slotly. Yeah, he'll stretch
a crappie.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, so I'm gonna use crappie fish here.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Like I loved the bass fish a lot, but I
love to eat fish and crappy is my face and
damn cycle a boy, it's like my ship. And so
we'll go out and I'll be sitting there and yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Gave board comes up.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Like, so you say that is that I got a
I got cousins that I got family lives in Lafayette,
south of Lafayette, in Louisiana, they all call them.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Okay, I thought it was suck a lot. It's late.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's it's kind of wherever you're at in Louisiana or I'm.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Going to be honest, I don't even know what you're
talking about. You know. It's just a Cajun term for
the proppy. Yeah, yeah, that's really cool. I don't even
know that.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Man, when it comes from you from up what other
I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying if
somebody smoked them, I'll.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Be cool with it whatever. But yeah, you gotta film
grease man. When it comes to freshwater fish, there's like
crappie and brim to me, Yes, sometimes I lean crobbi.
But most of the time I lead. I lean my grandma.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Her favorite you know is got them, uh, scale them,
you know, cut the head off and then just suckers
in the increase.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
That's how, you know, eating the tail and eating everything
else chips. But for me, now that I've got notre,
I don't like picking around the damn bone and stuff,
just like just like throwing them in there, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, we ours now, honestly, but and primarily because like bro,
my wife ain't gonna you know, and she catches one
in the mouth over.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
So yeah, even sometimes for me, I'll get I'll get
a bone or something like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's a bad bone.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, but I do.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like I like brown, I don't sleep on them. Don't
sleep on them, little bass man.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, we've been, and I don't care who's mad at
that we've been. Actually got it.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I've got a Me and Jordan have a twenty acre
lake behind our house in the community we live in
that's private to to our spot, and nobody fishes it.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Nobody can fish it. Oh dude, well what are we.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Doing here there?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, we could do it, but you can, like I mean,
and it's not one of those places like you're gonna
go catch one hundred fish, you know, like like bass,
I mean you can go.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
You can go wear a limited crappie or brim out
pretty quick. But bass, like you gotta go. If you're
gonna try to catch a seven eight, you gotta go
look for it fish a while. But you're gonna catch
a lot of small fish. And I was talking to
a buddy of mine trying to just like grow bigger
fish in that spot. We've been there for almost four
years now. He was like, dude, take every fish out

(32:26):
that's under fifteen inches, and it's like twenty five pounds
per acre. My dad was like, you ain't gotta tell
me twice that your dad's been out there every day.
But oh yeah, but we rip out every every fish
under fifteen and they've seen some bigger fish lately. No,
we caught a lot. We caught some big This is
the birth first year we caught like a bunch of
big fish.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
It's just like it's like culing deer. You know, if
you if you got a you know, an older deer
that's not ever gonna be more than eight point or
you know, it's kind of something fucked up with it.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
You know, you get in there and you take them out.
But I've heard that a lot too.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
We've we've on that before on private lakes, like hey,
get a smaller fishing well.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, absolutely, And all you're doing is just providing more
foods the bigger and less competition for those bigger.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Those bigger bass will hit the smaller ones anyway.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
No doubt. But those don't sleep. Don't sleep on a
little bass, man. They they taste real good. Tell me
a deer story, man, tell me one of your one
of your favorite, either your first deer, the big deer.
Tell me a deer story.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I'll kill one.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You're legit. I can already smell it all.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah we uh so I killed my biggest uh
free range here this year in Illinois. Uh I just
recently started on Illinois the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
It's terrible there.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's so bad. Yeah, county or there around Quincy.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Don't they don't get county get out? Yeah for sure,
just property some crazy fans the quick stop. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Also, I'm up for any donations you that's.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah. Three big deer killed.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Eating up all your corn. We got you eating flowers
in the front yard.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Uh No, so I I got this Lisa in Illinois
probably two years ago with some of my buddies and
they live up there. It's just south of spring Springfield.
And this year it was right before the rut hit.
It was the first November. We get up there and
the morning hunt was. It was cold, but it was
kind of shitty, you know. It didn't see a whole

(34:32):
lot of deer, and so I move up, move up this,
uh this kind of this little drawl that uh uh
two creek beds coming in meeting and dude, they were like,
there's two, there's two big deer in here. We had
two big deer on camera to a ten point big
o eight point and I'm sitting there and.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Big big masks. This is how it was.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
That's the one I was looking for, right And so
I've got my film guy right up above me, and
he's not really he's hunted before, but he's not really
like the first time we saw one, he's like throwing.
I'm like, hey, he's up, you know, yeah, And so
he's right up above me, he's like move around, like, dude,
chill out. And it was when the Cowboys were playing
the Eagles, and so I just like got it in

(35:18):
my buying horns, kind of watching a little bit got
to come dough come out, and uh, a little four
point and probably ten minutes before. I don't know why, Bohn. Yeah,
this is during both season. And I pissed on this tree.
And I never do this.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I never pissed or you know, I usually pee in
a bottle or some ship. But pissed on this tree,
I just yeah, just whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
But anyway, the camera thing just cut off down the
story to quit holding it in front of me. Anyway.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
So I pissed on this tree, pee on the tree,
and uh yeah, and uh and this this four point
one walks up just right underneath.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
This is kind of looking up and he's looking at
treue like what the fuck? And no, look, I turned back.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I can like hear something and I see this stud
I mean, and I'm like, don't move, don't move, and
he's legit twenty yards behind us. The wind's perfect, and
I'm like, yeah, that's you know, I've got the I'll
send all the video too, and I'm like, don't move.
I'm talking to my Carrara guy and he's just like

(36:28):
he's not really He's looking at the four point he's
not really worried about us, and so I'm freaking out
because I'm thinking he's seeing us or smelling us, and he's, uh,
he's comfortable. I can tell you that he's comfortable. So
he's just eating a little bit. So I grabbing a bow,
turn around and I.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Have how far is he right now?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
He's probably thirty yards I mean just thirty yard right
on top of us.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
He's at that's tracked, but he's on he's tracked. He's
beaming this and this.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Is like a week before the root starts, so I'm thinking,
you know, they're pretty rut. So I'm thinking the two
two do go out into the cornfield. I'm like, man,
he's gonna he's gonna follow them. And I have this
one shot. It's probably between two branches like this, and
so my cameraman is on this side.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Of the tree. It's a big old oak tree, and
so I have to turn around.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I finally get drawed back on him and uh, dude,
I'll send one through them.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
It hit the back of his lungs, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
But it was a little far back, but I knew
quarter he was kind of quartered away from me. So
but uh, looking at footage. I was like, man, you
know that that's bad. That's far back. He's a dead deer.
But you know we're gonna wait, So we go back.
We watched the Cowboys game. We watched footage all night
of it. You know, oh dude, I'm freaking deer I've
ever killed.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
You might feel confident about shot like.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
That lead oh man.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
And so we finished the Cowboys game. They get their
asses kicked. So I'm like, oh man.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Something about tonight. It's a little eerie to me, right.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
And so I'm just pounding bush lights just I mean,
I run not a Miller light, so I have to
drink bush and so I'm just I'm hammering them. And
then if they're like I talked to my buddy. He
thinks it's a great shot. But if we go in there,
we're gonna go quiet. It was like, let's go right now.
And it's been you know, seven hours, and we we
get in there and it was probably on one hundred
yard blood trail, and he was stiff as board. He'd

(38:18):
been he'd been dead for a while, but again on
top of him. I'll send you all the video. Yeah,
it's uh, it was. It was insane, man, and finally
get to hold him. And you know, Illinois deer, the
bodies on him compared.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
To Texas deer are just.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Experienced.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
It was.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
It was insane how they go up there. Yeah. Yeah,
the dose look like the bucks, I mean, here them hammer.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's like slick, dude in Tennessee, a big, a big
body deer is gonna I mean sniff one eight and
if you give close to two hundred, that's really big deer.
But dude, the dose up there are going to ten
to fifteen and the bucks pushing three.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
They're they're even protein here, that's all they're doing.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
You know, just cool.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
We have to feed protein and taxis, you know. Yeah,
so but no, it was. It was I'll never forget
it for the rest of my life, you know. And
hopefully I killed bigger deer, but that one for for
me will always just then I.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Knew he had a great deer story. Any turkeys you
ever do any of that?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Oh yeah, for sure. Man.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
We uh me and my buddy Casey is in the
next room. We we doubled up.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
He's actually on the on the pity table. Thought some
fresh air.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Uh. We doubled up. The opening day of uh Spring
season this year in Texas. Uh it was. It was
a badass man.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Usually, but we're usually always on the road during the
turkey season, so you always usually get one good turkey
honty in and then call it all for the rest
of the year.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
But I love chasing turkeys, man.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I mean we get if we get one good
one in, we're like, yeah, all right, back towards Yeah,
that's all. That's all I need.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like my turkey tank, My turkey tanks like this, and
one one morning where they're gobbling on the roost, they
fly down in front of me. I see one, you know,
get get flopped bro. My turty things for and then
I just I'm ready for If your season was every day,
I would I'd be in.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
The stand, no doubt. That's my jam. So you are you?
You're living in Texas right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Living? Uh? I live just outside of Ford.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
How often are you coming to Nashville?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Uh? Here lately, I've been a lot, been in a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Are you writing up here? Are you just kind of doing?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Not? Really?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I do?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I still do right whenever I come up every now
and then.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Who are you righting these songs with it? We got
a chance to listen to the record and snap.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
This record was mainly Gabe Simon and Amy Allen and
uh Sam Harris, uh Ben Burgess, Ben Burgess.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Amy Allen too. I used to write with her back great.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, she's She's phenomenal. Uh yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
It was kind of just like a one core of
of all of us that did pretty much everything. Then
I had a couple of outside rights Reconsidered by Keith Gaddis,
you know, rest in Peace.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Super cool for you to cover that, Tim, you know,
I was a legend.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, And so I thought, you know, Charlie Robinson coming
up in Texas, he was my favorite. And Charlie uh,
you know, wrote or covered a lot of his songs
for his records. And I didn't know. I thought Charlie
wrote that. I didn't know that was Keith Gaddis. And
so after I figured it out, I was like, man,
this is insane. And they passed away not too too
far away from each other, and I just felt like
I kind of owed it to them to put out

(41:30):
something like Reconsidering.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
You know, I hope I did it justice.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
But for me, I loved uh. I loved it from
the beginning. Man, Like even the this the like skiddy
thing at the beginning was cool. And then it goes
into this black Cat song and I'm like, man, I
I'm digging this, man, like really like didn't skip anything,

(41:56):
digging this, you know. And and I think for for
me and Reed Man and we're we're just engulfed in
music all the time, dude, it's so much to the
point that commercial music, commercial music, that commercial country. You
honestly get to a point to where you're just kind
of like heard it all, sing it all, you know,

(42:16):
and and it's and and and man, this was for me, man,
it was inspiring. I loved I loved all of them.
And I think for me, I just I know in
songs you can either there are moments when you tell
the absolute truth of your life, and there's also but
don't let the truth get in the way of a
good story, right Like, as storytellers we can kind of

(42:38):
bend a little bit and half. But for me, man,
the the tunes felt like I feel like I know
you just from listening to the record.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Honestly, that's that's kind that's kind of how we went
at this record. You know, we didn't expect to make
a record. It was kind of just like a songwriting deal,
and then we kept kept making songs and making songs
like shit, we look back, and then we had a
full record. But the way that these songs came about is,
you know, gave Simon kind of deep diving into my
life and past relationships and getting to know me and

(43:09):
then just me being honest as honest as hell and
more honest than I have in the past records. So
that that was kind of the idea. I wanted people
to to figure out who I was as a person
compared to stories they've heard or what they've.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Seen on Instagram. You know. So yeah, but I'm glad
you got that out of this. Is the record is
uh is a real person? Oh? Ish? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
So ish yeah, yeah, I'll I'll get throll the bucket phone.
Uh but yeah no, it's uh, they're all what goes
like seventy thirty on that song?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
All right, it feels like to me and what I
loved most about this damn near normal is my Jam's
that's my that's my jam man. It's got that like

(44:10):
Chili pepper, the fray thing going on, and the melody
of that verse is so smooth, man.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's they're all great that I love the whole record.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
It just feels like there's no rules, Like it feels
like and I'm gonna be honest, like I haven't listened
to a lot of your like your other five albums
that you put out in the past, But even in
your Billboard article you talked about this record felt different
and these songs you wanted to do a little something
different that your fans weren't used to. And bro, you,
I mean, I feel like if that was the goal
you you hit it. You ten wrung that thing. Because

(44:41):
it feels like you don't you don't know what to
expect on the next song, and that's what you just
hit and play at the first one and letting it roll.
You don't know what you're gonna get. And I was
always surprised and excited to hear what was coming next
because there was It just felt like there was no rules.
You just did what you wanted to do throughout the record.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Dude, I'm looking at these I'm looking at like the
track listing and like the bottom of the record is
just as heavy as the top. I mean, it really
is all the way through. Like I love running Low,
I love bar song, one song is just like a
party thing.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
There just I like that vibe through the record that
you did.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
It almost like a lot of these songs, like it
felt like you just put a mic in the middle
of the room and he had a bunch of people
singing with a party.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
But it doesn't feel like a record where a guy's
trying to sound tough. It just feels like a guy
this is my life, Like take it how you want to.
There's even a line of there's like put some respect
on my name. I'm like, bro, I'm here on this cat.
Last outlogude like bold bold in the sense of just

(45:51):
going dude, I'm the last outlog.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Do you feel like that in certain ways? Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
But I feel like outlaw these days is kind of
it can be whatever, you know, in a sense, it
can be whatever it is. It's not the word outlaw
is not what it was twenty years or thirty years ago,
you know what I mean. I mean, yeah, exactly, That's
what I'm saying. So like today's outlaw is completely different

(46:21):
than what it was back then. So uh, maybe in
my world maybe I am you know, so I don't know,
you know, it's just kind of it's how however, you
look at what outlaw means.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
To you in jail.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I think I lost count after three, really yeah, I
think three or four, maybe five, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
See, occasionally I fall into this thought process of like
not anymore, sorry, not anymore. But back in the day,
I was like, man, maybe I could sell some drugs
because I really need some money. Man, some people selling
drugs make them law.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
You fall on hard times, man, he kind of it's
kind of hard stuff. Yeah, crazy, Yeah, nothing, nothing crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I have a couple of guys, yeah, and I need
grit Bro. But then I always think about like jail,
and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Jail is not fun. Man.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
I think the most time I've ever spent was like
three days in there, and and that was way more than.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I wanted to be there. You got a jail story
for us, Oh yeah, so time.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
So this is like about this is the third or
fourth time i'd been, so I know, I know it
was in Necadoches and I wanted Waterburger really bad for
some reason. And we're staying at this hotel and the
closest one is like two or three miles away. There's
no ubers. Just like four in the morning. So I'm like,
you know what, fucking I want to walk to Waterburger.
And I get all the way to Waterburger and I'm looking,

(47:45):
I'm trying to cross the street, you know, And I
start walking. As soon as as soon as I did,
the red and Blues turned on.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I was like, ship, you did cross the street.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
It was like a four lane highway. It was.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
The road.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
This is like sixty.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
And so the cop pulls me over in the water
Burger drive through, or.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
When you're walking out, does he pull you over?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
And I pulls me over.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I'm sorry, please walk to the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
You please, Will you stumble over to the side of place.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Lean to the rights, so sway yourself over there.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And so I'm like, dude, I just got done playing
at Benita Creek, and you know, he goes, no, I
know who you are.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I know what's going on. It's like, but you're in
no state.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
And I was like, dude, please just take me back
to the He's like he's like, no, no, it's not
gonna happen to night. And uh So we get to
the jail and it's like the old school with the
bars you can hang your arms over and ship and
so I'm just sitting there and I learned this hack.
You know, if you want to make a pillow, get
you a couple of rows of toilet paper. And so

(48:47):
I was like, and there there are already two rows
of toilet papers. But I was just like, hey, there's.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
No toilet paper in here. I need some toilet paper.
So they bring me a row.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
I was like, all right, bet So I was stacked
my three rolls of toilet paper up out wake up
a couple of hours later, and thank god. The owner
of the place that I had played was the Bells bandsman,
the private DETECTI yeah, so yeah, pulled up and by
eight o'clock I was out. I was like and as
I'm walking out, they had printed out my bugshot and
I signed.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It for him and stuff.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
It was yeah, it was cool, but my mom didn't
think it was really all that cool. And this is
I mean, this is twenty seventeen eighteen. But that was
the last time I went to jail. Yeah, so yeah,
So after that, after that little escapade, I was like, yeah,
I'm done, I'm done.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Going ahead, jail man.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
That's not really like a yeah, yeah, I wouldn't I
wouldn't fighting off people for you know, some commentary or anything.
But you know, like, but that was That was probably
my easiest little jail stuff that I have.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I've been in a drunk team before and I wasn't
even drunk. Oh that's the worst I a drunk tech.
I've been locked out the well. We got a find
outside of this this bar and we were just defending
a guy that worked at the bar. When I played
a lot of clubs all over the place, and they
chunked us in there, and I was like, a man,
I ain't even drunk. We're in the same sale, dude,

(50:14):
what do we do? Yeah, you better get us out
of here. The walls the same thing bar shows up.
He's like, hey, man, these two dudes just played a
four hour set for twenty bucks in case.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Get there out of absolutely. Man.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I am not wild at all. I never have been.
But man, music takes you to some interesting places.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Does dure to put you in some some crazy situations too.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
What what you what you got coming up this year?
You're doing the world You're doing a world.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Thing world tour. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
We'll start uh mid July and it'll go through uh
finish up in Europe and mid mid November.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Where are you going?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
First, We'll go to the Woodlands just north of Houston,
start there and then actually do the wood or we'll
do Morgan Walling and we'll start off with Morgan wall
in that at and T Stadium, and then after that
we'll start the actual tour on Friday in the Woodlands
and then we're going dude, Oh, I love touring. I
love being I just like going to new places, meeting

(51:12):
new people. Uh and sleeping on a bus from me
you know, rocksy Roxy to sleep and and uh, everything
about tour I love.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
The bad thing I hate is being gone all the time.
I can see no family and friends. But you know,
everybody that's on the road with us or my brothers
and I always call my second family.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
So we got a good group of guys.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I'm excited to play this new record on the road
and see all the new fans and stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So what you grow up on? What was your like
music that you just that that made you want to
do it.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I grew up listening to like nineties country, older country,
and then uh, my dad he was still a lot
of hip hop and rap.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
And what was it like.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Okay stuff like that and unit oh yeah, g unit
can I can? I can see you every single lyric
off of your Richard I try and like, but when
I get home, he'd be like, don't tell your mom
we listened to that.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but uh.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
No, just coming up from all those different kinds of
genres and then put them all together and trying to
create this sound that we've been making.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
So do you get with any of the new stuff,
like even even some of the new music. Are you
just like, Man, I'm an oldiest guy and that's it?

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, I mean I did.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I think that's the best thing about music is like
you can income from anywhere, and you know, I always
I like all kinds of genres and music. So the
new stuff, you know, I do dig, But whenever I'm
making and creating music, I don't like to listen to
anything that's just put out because I don't want to
kind of force myself into having any kind of influence
from that.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Would you consider yourself more melody driven or more lyric driven?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Melody?

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And to me, I mean, look it was it's mega
strong lyrically too. But there's some h's some ear candy
on there that that'll that will pull you in real hard.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
For me, it's always Kirk Bain said, melody first lyric second,
I was huging bona fan, So yeah, I've I've always
always been a melody guy.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I got a little R and B you too, that
you have to because.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
The Hamilton.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
I used to charleron come, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Dude, he was dirty corn bread fish and collar greens.
Was that the name of that ricks.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, man, yeah, dude, all all all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
We used to play that. We have the lyrics that
I'm sorry, yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
I don't know no more say boys on. Okay, it's
a blessing. We woke up as small when we woke
up and.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, killer man, that's killer, dude, that's killer. It's all
my I mean that stuff. And uh man, that was
some good, good music.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
That was was like nineties.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Huh like late nineties, early two thousands, thousands like nineties folks.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Damn, that's great. We were raised on the same stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Uh, you got your pain hat on hair. We're gonna
talk golf, man, Let's talk golf a little bit. That's
one of the best things about Horn.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I feel like I was like, dude, you get to
play golf.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
We yeah, we keep the we keep the clubs on
the bus and pretty much. Yet we probably played three
or four times a week.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Are you play were he or four times a week?

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Well road, I mean because I mean we'll have like
off days, we have three or four off days, and
then usually if it's a you know, a nicer course,
or of course we haven't played, we'll go and play.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
It's to me, it's the best thing about the Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
For sure, once you get once you get the first
couple of weeks of tour done, and then it's just routine.
After that, then it's just cake, you know, it's just
wake up.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Play it to nine.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, for sure, go play, especially up north you know
where the weather's nice and it's not one hundred and
twenty degrees outside.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It's like, why wouldn't we go out and play?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Rightyeah?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
You know, yeah, this is a new found love or
you've been playing your whole life.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Oh so I didn't play my whole life. I started
probably I was like twenty three, Like around college, all
my buddies played, and my parents won't let me play
because of baseball. They're like, oh, it's gonna mess up
your baseball swing. And I was like, and now just
those ignorance.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
But whatever I would.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Talking about if if I ever have children, if if
they're going to play football, one thing they will do
is play golf.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think there's gonna be ten million kids playing golf.
Oh get all right.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's it's kind of since COVID, but now right now
it feels like it's the most popular it's ever been.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
You know, I was talking to Shine I got. I
went and played nine by myself the other day.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Bro Dan's and strict this morning, sry, honest fault.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Anyway, I went and played nine the other day and
while I was playing, I was like, well, this makes
total sense. Why dudes our age love this? Right? And
I mean I've played a little bit for a while,
but you think about it, it's like it's just active
enough that you're like, you know, doing something. It's like

(56:58):
completely like from me. I got two kids with one
on the way, and so it's like quiet out there, dude,
You're you're in nature. You also get to drive something
like that's not a truck and there's air, but there's
wind blowing, there's snacks and like, and you're competing and
it's only you're only competing against yourself, right, So like, dude,

(57:20):
I mean it makes complete sense.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
One something you can play for the rest of your life,
you know.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
And if you're like me, I'm competitive as hell, so
like I'm uh, you know, all sports oriented and everything.
So it's just one of those things like let's get
the boys together, gets some cold beer, some hot dogs.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Throw it's always hot for sure, little wolf out there.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, and you get bad, but it's what you're saying too.
It's like it is, it's something you can always improve it.
You're never i mean your best round, but like you
could always have hit that put that you didn't hit
for sure, or hit that hit that.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Way of going back to the bow hunt and stuff.
You know, like you never probably never gonna master it.
So it's like that's what keeps keeps you coming.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Back for sure. So yeah, that's awesome. You long off
the tee? Are you straight out?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Are you? I'm pretty long off the tea?

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Yeah, it's uh, I've got a I've got like a
little baby draw for some reason, like I've and so
uh yeah, yeah, inside I love the baby inside out
and left for sure. Uh no, man, I've I've I've
loved I've been playing. Like I said, it's just twenty two,
twenty three, and we just got done with that Pip

(58:34):
Beach trip we were talking about earlier. Dude went out
to Mono Ray and yeah, yeah, it was in Sanish Bay,
Spanish Bay, and uh.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
We actually didn't get it.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Get to get on Pebble Beach and yeah we we
played spy Glass Spanish.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
A lot of people like say spy Glasses, but yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
What I've heard a lot, and Dude, out of all
of them, Monterey, it's probably one of the nicest courses
I've ever I've ever played before. The spot Glass was great,
you know, a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Oh it's seventeen mile out there. Man, If anybody listening
or gets the chance to go play any of those courses,
you gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Dude, Shore that was some fort that thing you have
to sing. But it's the time of shoot for the
I think those lyrics change every time we go. Hey,
I wrote it, I can see whatever I want. Uh
we do this thing called the One that Got Away

(59:29):
co where it could be. I can't believe it's time
for that I looked over and it said fifty five,
And I was like, I gotta cut my guy off.
It could be a fish, it could be a deer,
it could be in your case, it could be a girl.
Because you're not married.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Fine, we usually say usually guys are married, we recommend
you know, it could be leave.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, Uh no for me, I'm gonna go back to
deer hunting. We were down and of course my guy,
my guy, we're boys are uh yeah, we were down
at Yorktown.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
My buddy's got a place down there in uh Town, Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yeah, Yorktown, Texas, surround Victoria, so kind of big deer country.
And and before that, this was like I was probably
twenty one, twenty two. You know, I hadn't killed a
deer over one hundred and twenty inches in East Texas. Uh,
Like we were talking about there's a big deer, but
they're just you know, they're you hardly ever see them.

(01:00:22):
And we're sitting there and he's already killed his He's
killed a little bitty basket rack. I'm like, dude, you're crazy.
You know, there's a big ass deal out here, and uh, dude,
were sitting there, Dude, this deer hops the fence and
comes in and I'm like, oh my god, it's probably
a one deer and he's getting closer and I'm like,

(01:00:43):
my buddy's like shoot him shooting. I'm like hold up, wait,
and right behind him, another one jumps the fence and
just probably like every other hunting story that's been sold,
so much bigger. But he can vouch for me. He's
probably pushing one sixty. He's just a perfect main frame,
ten tall times masks wide. I was like, oh yeah,

(01:01:03):
and just I thought I was gonna have a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Dude. I was just freaking out and we didn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
It was We're in a pop up blind that was
set up under a tree for some reason, and we're
pretty much in his granddad's backyard and dude, this sucker
gets in into like one hundred yards and I just
instead of just I don't know what I did. I
got down on one knee. I was trying to rest it,
and then I was going like yeah, and he's got
he's filming it, and dude, he turns around and looks
at us, and when he looked at us, I'm just like,

(01:01:29):
holy shit, gotcha, And dude, I pulled the trigger and
I just give my haircut off the back, dude, just
barely off the back. I was like, I think I
hear him, you like you hit him, but he is,
he is doing just fine. And I and he he
ran away for another two hundred yards and just seen
him run away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And that was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Forever, dude, I'm telling you, man, he was so big
and still to this day it probably would have been
my my on orbo would have been my biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Year one hundred and sixties. That's a beat. That's a mass,
but it's especially a big deer when from your state.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Whatever. Yeah, that's the one that got away.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Let's do a favorite greatest slash favorite song for you.
It could be anything. M hm, you got one on
your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Yeah, probably the Bottom by Waylam Payne. Do I think
Aaron Lewis cut it and Charlie I first started it
by Charlie Robinson. I think it was on his Good
Times record and then I'm pretty sure Aaron Lewis cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Cool but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Dude, yeah, he's he's been my Texas guy forever and
uh the hell of a songwriter and everything he did
for Texas music and music in general and stuff. And
and him passing away. It was it was pretty rough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
You know. Me I knew him a little bit, but
not as much as Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
He wasn't very old, was he.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
He was in his fifties and early fifties. Oh man,
it was just way too soon. And you know it was, uh,
it was kind of heartbreak for me. But you know,
feeling that way by somebody that I didn't know personally,
you know, but just for what he did for with
his music and stuff to me, and uh, you know
it was I don't know the bottom man, it's a

(01:03:19):
it's a song and listen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, man, my helped me out on the on the
cos it was like, uh, Mary Jane, so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
My life, that's right castle me Ego took my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Then you took your sheet all down the room we
always do of all the things I lost, all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Losing you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Dude, bro, you're cool as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Man. Can we go write a song or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Kill a deer catch a fish together?

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Man, I'm down with both. Man's what's the light it out?
One day this or one weekend. It's this winter, man,
we'll go hunting and take some turns.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I'm glad early, so I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I'm glad you're in the national scene.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I appreciate that you've kind of made the jump from
the text thing and coming over and doing the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You're you're killing it. Excited about this album and what
it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
To do for you and uh and these tunes. Man,
it's a great project.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Keep telling your truth. Man, it's important, you know. I mean,
I honestly, there's not a lot of it that I
can just mega relate to because you know, I'm pretty cook.
I got a couple of kids. I gotta keep it
clean these days, you know. But but man, it is
a it's a nice uh. It's a nice look at
your life, and it's done poetically and it's done uh melodically,

(01:05:01):
and uh, I appreciate what it does uh for music.
So so keep doing it all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Right, Well man, thank you all so much again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Un pleasure man, thank you. Nine Lives is out now,
go check it out, go stream it. Are you the
black Cat? We will call you black Cat.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
I'm the black Cat only whatever I'm on the poker
table or the h or the blackjack take.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Can I put you in my phone?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
It's black absolutely Cole black Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Again, thanks for hanging out with guys Co whistle Go
stream the album Do Super Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Hope you'll enjord it. We'll catch you next time.
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