December 5, 2025 • 42 mins
Live from La Paloma Theater during Exposure weekend, we time-travel through the heroic history of women’s skate contests from the 1960s to 2025: babysitting offers instead of sponsors, Judi Oyama bombing hills at 70, CB era, winning a car and immediately crashing it, X Games walkouts, equal pay fights, All Girl Skate Jam, WOF, Exposure, the absolute stunning fashion of it all, and so much more. It’s an appreciation letter, a roast, and a reminder that no one came to save women’s skateboarding; we just did it ourselves.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good Luck with That is an iHeart women's sports production
in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey everyone, Ashley Raifeld Here. A few weeks ago we
packed out the La Paloma Theater and Encinitas for a.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Night that felt well, very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Joining me on stage was Norvasconsalos, Alex White and Mimi Nup,
the hosts of Good Luck with That. We walked through
a large timeline of women's skateboarding contests from the nineteen
sixties to today.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You can't tell that story without talking about the world
women were skating through. You have to talk about the rules,
the rights, the lack of rights, the part where society
was still deciding what women were even allowed to do.
Like in nineteen sixty nine, the same year women were
competing in some of the very first skate contests, they
needed a husband to co sign a bank loan.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Romantic right.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Then, in nineteen seventy two, Title nine passes making it
illegal to block women and girls from sports. That one
massive piece of legislation is basically the secret origin story
of almost every women's contest were celebrating in this episode.
A year later, in seventy three, a little thing called
roe versus Wade expands reproductive rights or where in nineteen
seventy four, women were finally allowed to open their very
(01:13):
own bank accounts. It wasn't until nineteen seventy eight that
it became illegal to fire someone for just being pregnant.
Fast forward to the eighties. In nineteen eighty four, sexual
harassment is finally recognized as workplace discrimination. Before that totally tolerated,
unregulated and normalized. This was all the landscape Carabeut Burnside
and so many others were skating through. And if that's
(01:34):
not enough, unbelievably marital raped, and it become a legal
nationwide Until nineteen ninety six, change came in tiny, frustrating increments.
This was the backdrop for an entire generation of women
and gender expansive skaters. And now it's twenty twenty five.
Women in gender expansive skateboarding is headlining global contests with
the level of talent and depth That didn't arrive just overnight.
(01:57):
It survived decades of being underestimated. And I say all
of this because none of these contests happened just effortlessly.
Women were skating through a world shape by all of
these things, the rights, the limits, the contradictions, the overlooked opportunities.
So this episode is a little bit of an appreciation letter,
a look back archive. It's the story of women's skate contests,
what we push through, what we've built, and what we're
(02:19):
still building. Recorded live and incinitas during Exposure weekend. All right, everyone,
let's get into this. All right, Welcome to our first
ever live taping. This is good Luck with That, a
podcast about skateboarding trying to exist in an industry that
maybe wasn't always built for everyone in mind.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
As I mentioned, my name is Ashley Raefeld.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm a creative skateboarder strategist, had a lifelong relationship in
the business of skateboarding, kind of more of a meddler
of it, trying to push women skateboarding forward, kind of
with grace, mostly with a crowbar, really.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Trying to get that door open.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And obviously, if you need to use a crowbar a
door open, that means it probably wasn't open in the
first place. So tonight I'm here with a bunch of
other legends who've been pushing this whole thing forward to
try to make it nicer for everyone else. I'm with
Alex White. Everyone give Alex White a round of applause.
Here I realize they're supposed to do the intro and
(03:18):
then the round of applause. Alex is a professional skateboarder
turned commentator, sarcasm specialist.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
She's gonna let you know how it is.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She also gave like eight hours to the mic today,
so lots of reps on the live broadcast for exposure,
and is here a few hours later doing it for us,
So thank you very much. And then we have the
Mayor of San Diego with us tonight. Nor Asconcellos, a
pro skateboarder, surfer, artists, cat enthusiast cat thief too.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
If you're not looking, I've literally never stolen a care.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Every time I've ever seen a cat near your presence,
you go and pick it up.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Borrows a cat, borrows.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Stop shop a cat.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I've never stolen a cat, so that's slander. But happy
to be here, guys. I can't see anybody. It's really
bright up.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Here, and that tease up this perfectly to the the
coolest one of them of us all, Mimi Noob, an
absolute pioneer.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
We're all here because of Mimi a CEO.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
She helped assemble the USA World Skate Sorry, the USA
Olympic team.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's still global state USA. She built the USA.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Don't ever do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
All right, So tonight we're going to be discussing a
lot of the past, present, and future of women in
gender expansive skateboarding. Since we are at such a great
skate competition, we thought, hey, let's talk about all the
different women's competitions dating back from the sixties all the
way up to.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Them, all of them through them chronological order.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So Alex, what are we looking at here?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
We're looking at Patty McGee.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Here?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Can we get round a plaus for Patty McGee?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Patty McGee last year we.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Did a tribute to her.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
She passed away last year and she was the first.
Speaker 9 (05:10):
Ever national champion women national champion of skateboarding too. And
I have like a fun you know, just to give
some reference here. This is the mid sixties. And one
fun thing about Patty was she really wanted to be
a pro and she went to Hoby Hoby skateboard She's like.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I just won, I just won this contest.
Speaker 9 (05:28):
Will you guys sponsor me, and Hoby said to her,
I don't have time for you.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Will you babysit my kids?
Speaker 9 (05:35):
But she persevered and she did end up getting sponsored,
and she did get up on the cover of Life
magazine as well, and she was a longtime advocate for
the women's skate scene and just an incredible powerhouse. So she,
you know, just from the very get go. I just
think Patty is a great person to like kind of
start this on, because like she was the first.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think also visually and symbolically, there's no this is
probably the start of visual visuals of women skateboarding media
or in culture. I mean, this is like pretty for
the sixties to be the starting point is kind of
all you need to know. Skateboarding is a young activity.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Also during it, it was scored like ice skating, so
they used to score in the sixties. They would like
throw up a number card that said seven, said six seven.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah said six seven, can we yep? Perfect? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (06:24):
That was that was how they scored it too. Here
and then moving right along into the nineteen seventies. Now
I wish I could touch on every single Judy Judy
oh Yah Money Santa Cruz, California, on my hometown. Judy
competed in slalom and again pushed herself to do downhill
and slaow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Judy is still competing exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's the point, like, I'm sorry, this was Judy last week.
Like she's still doing this exact thing. So if we
can all grow up to be Judy.
Speaker 9 (06:53):
She has a Guinness Book of World Record for I
guess oldest skateboard.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Whatever she's doing this still, that's well.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, she's a graphic designer too, Judy.
Speaker 9 (07:03):
And Judy also saved everything, so she has like this
great archive of like all of the you know graphics
that she made the original skateboards. So she is like
a history museum in herself too.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So Judy held onto a.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Lot of history and also dealt with a lot of
the same kind of stuff. I remember I heard that
people that I used to work with at NHS told
her that they would never be never to let her
turn pro because women couldn't be pro. And she still
wrote and still did and so persevered and capital classic
and did downhole and still doing it today. So Judy's
a great chining example of like, yeah, she she had
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to get through some stuff to get.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Also are any of the people where Yeah, NHS still
showing up and doing slalom contests at seventy I'm sorry, how.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Old are we?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Probably not all right, So here we are, we've arrived
in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
If you all don't know who this is, we are.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So excited to tell you more about one of our
biggest heroes in scate.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Carabath Cara Beth Burnside.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Name doesn't get any cooler.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
C B Carrabth Burnside coming from Orange, California.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Skating the big O, skating the Big O.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Do you want to give us some context to kind
of why this was such a significant blockbuster moment for
the images that we just looked at And now we've
arrived in the eighties and we're in a bigger arena
of contests.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Yeah, I think. Well, to be honest, like all contests
today are because of Carabeth's championing everything through all the years.
But from my memory, what she told me from this
time is there were a lot of girls and women
skating at the parks alongside the boys. And then you
know when the when the skate parks sort of all
went away. I think it was, you know, a lot
(08:44):
of insurance issues. They all got torn down. That's when
it sort of dropped off. So yeah, Carabeth was one
of the ones that was was there as a youngster
back in the day and sort of led the way.
Got the first Thrasher cover in August Night, which I
never saw unfortunately as a little kid.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Also as Southern California people who are here in Southern
California now and have some sort of idea of the
skaters and the legends of what's going on. Seebe in
that last photo is around the time that Steve Cavallero
and Hassoi and Tony Hawk and Mike McGill and all
these guys are growing up skating basically the same stuff.
(09:24):
So just to put into perspective age and ability, it's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Dwayne Peters was her sort of mentor and coached her.
He was he taught her how to how to skate, but.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I just hope skateboarding is all he taught her.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So we're still in the eighties, we're getting into the nineties,
and we have to talk about some very significant moments
that were happening in street skateboarding and guess is Anita here?
Are you here?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Your hands right here?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We owe so much to you and for seeing to
see your passion and move it forward for street skateboarding
for women at the time and make it so progressive
where I hear Lisa Whitaker, who's my hero, tell me
that you inspired her because you were able to kickflip
a skateboard and time that that wasn't we weren't seeing
women do that. And for Lisa to see that, to
(10:21):
inspire her to do that and to pass it on
to all of us here on stage, just so incredible.
It's an honor to have you here tonight. We want
to make sure that you get some of those flowers.
A lot of folks we had to leave out as
we moved through the conversation. But we're just kind of
moving through eighties, early nineties, and now we get into
kind of the mid late nineties as we moved to
the next slide and we're at a different juncture for
(10:44):
skate contest for women.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
All Girls Skate Jam, super.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Important gathering bro there, This is the first ever all
Girls Skate Jam.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Were you tucking it into your pants by accident?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
This one was the first one.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
You had to find out about skate contest through word
of mouth or like a little section in Thrasher or
trans World.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
There was like a little, you know, blip on the
radar about this. So this was the first one I
went to. All Girls Skate Gym.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Also, All Girls Skate Gym was here in San Diego.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
It was at the Escondito Park.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
It was at uh what was that weird one graphics
warehouse that had like a mega ramp quarter.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Pipe at the back for Danny Wade to skate. It
was crazy, but yeah, this is where I met everybody.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
And one of the things I wanted to think about
when I was thinking about this and thinking about like
being on the pod and talking about early skate contest
is skate contests aren't all about competing.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
It was about meeting people.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
And I'm hoping that like, while we're here at this weekend,
there's a bunch of people meeting their new best friends.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That is like I feel like if if you're a
woman or gender expansive person who's come to any event
in that space, whether it's Exposure or X Games or
Oregon Trifecta or Wheels of Stun Watch team coming like
whatever it is you, the primary goal of that has
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been to engage and grow your community.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
And that is like, it doesn't matter what era or
like what level of competitive you are, like, you are
there for that. And we've all met our best friends
through that.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And listen, I was no era of competitive.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I live way down there.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You were like, hey, can I drop in on this?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
It's like a tube in the sky.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
You're like, I'll drop in on this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Tube in the sky.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
I like to drop in on tubes and just make friends.
So made lifelong friends at All Girls Skate Up. That's
why I was impactful for me. But I think a
lot of people have the same experience.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And just look at these street final results for the
Old Head Very School.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I see Lisa Winterer coming in seventh, play seven.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Shell Pazzell shout out in Michelle Pizel number twelve here
making the ranking here Alyssa of course number.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
One, but I love that Caraba van Dude.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Street number two. I mean, CB is what the first
person to get a.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Gold medal or a metal in I don't know, the
first the only person besides Sean White to win Summer
and Winter X Games. That's right, and the second no
one will ever do that, the second woman in the
world to have a pro shoe behind Gabrielle Rees who
is a volleyball player.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And speaking of in real life, the proof that you
were there, there's a little Alex next to Alyssa.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
I'm like choking with anxiety. He also feels anxiety. Are contest,
but I'm like, and my mom took that picture.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm like, I can't wait to get this box from Roxy.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, if we move into the next slide, this was
really cool though. This was shot for Beastie Boys magazine
Grand Royal, and these portraits were all shot of the
women that were there and they're so amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So hopefully, which if you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Follow our podcast, we will post this photo Hi Rez
on our Instagram, but.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
If you follow our only fans, but.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Seeing Jesse and Lisa and Alyssa and Lauren Malika, it's
just incredible to see these like just moments in time
and just such an incredible important period for girls skateboarding.
So we'll go into the next one, and we already
mentioned Lisa Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I told Lisa today, I was like, it's gonna be
kind of crazy how much we talk about you tonight
and I hope it's okay, and I know it's not,
but you're gonna have to sit there and engage or not.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
And it's important for the people to know.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's extremely important for the people to know.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I mean I came on the scene in two
thousand and eleven and as a East Coaster coming to
California and meeting Lisa at Combe and then being a
fan of the side project which became Girls Skate Network.
She is the beacon of light that guides all things
(14:54):
to It's hilarious, I know, to female skateboarding. So, yeah,
you're watching the edits, you're watching the the vlog cams.
I mean, this is like before vlog cams were vlog cams,
you know what I'm saying. This is like the true
essence of the community and what women's skateboarding was at
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the time. But then moving to California and getting to
meet Lisa and then meet everyone through Lisa, including people
like Vanessa Torres, who are who is sitting in the audience. Yeah,
it's just like it was a view into a world
that nobody else was capturing. There is literally no one
else who is documenting anything that was happening at women's skateboarding.
(15:38):
And I don't care if you filmed one thing, like,
I don't care because you didn't film anything else. You
did not you didn't show up consistently, you weren't putting
things online, you weren't showcasing what the women were doing.
And guess what one person was. And her name is
Lisa Whitaker.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
That's right, it is true, though your name Lisa's so sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It is gonna be like every episode Lisa water Well,
the Encyclopedia of Lisa, but I cannot over index on
again the importance that she It's hard to know when
you're like witnessing history and documenting it. But Lisa was
there through every period, well not every period, but most
of them, documenting some really important times.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hey, friends, we're going on a quick break. We'll be
right back.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
We're at ninety seven. We're in the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We're starting to see kind of a little boom and
I say little for women skateboarding and women in skate
contest and we're starting to see the contests pop up.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
We got the hardcore skate Jym.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Gallas has a team and they're putting out demos and contests.
We see this city jam incorporate women. It's a pretty
big exciting time. This is what really was the first
time that I saw skateboarding that I wanted to emulate
and participate in.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
All because of this.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, the prize purse, we're looking at a top tier
prize of one thousand dollars, which we're gonna talk a
lot about here in a minute. So we're getting into
the late nineties, early two thousand's okay, So this one's
pretty incredible. It's two thousand and two, Galas, We're in
Australia and it's Kelly Box.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Is she in the room with us tonight?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Is Kelly Box here?
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Kelly?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Can you call in please?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
What's Kelly doing right now? Kelly's at disney Land?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Where seven kids?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I was trying to be conservative with the slides, but
I had to pull this one out because Amy Cron,
who we love, shout out Amy.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Places first and the prize purse is two thousand dollars
and she wins of what does she do with the car?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
What happened to the car?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
She gets in the car in the arena in front
of everyone, and she has no idea that it's in
first gear and she starts the car and crashes it
into Bucky Laci's car.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
All right, I think Amy set us back about fifteen
years without no more girls.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
At these women can't win cars and you are for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
All right.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So we've now arrived, like I said, two thousands, and we're.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
At Srebiles for the ladies.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In women's skateboarding get a hot wheel. So I'm gonna
let mem explain what's going on the screen here, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
So I believe this was two thousand and one. Basically
there was a doubles vert division in X Games and
Bob Burnquist's uh doubles part. I think it was Lincoln Yueita.
I believe, Yes, I might be wrong, but I think
Lincoln and Lincoln might be here today. I'm not sure,
but I think he got hurt or something. And so
Jen jumped in at the last second, Jenn O'Bryan, and
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so that's what you see here, and that sort of
started the conversation at the time of like, oh, women
skate like what's happening here? And Jen and Cbe the
crew at the time sort of advocated for an event
the following year two thousand and two in Philadelphia, which
was a demo, wasn't a metal event, which Lindsay was at,
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and then I luckily came around along at the right
time the next year when it was a first the
first time I was a medal event at X Games
in two thousand and three, and we actually have two
medalists here in the audience from that Vanessa Lanza, whichever you're.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
About to show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But I kind of find this like through line all
the way from the sixties of Hey, can I be
on the team?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Actually can you just babysit to.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
This exact moment where oh, no, my stunt, my other
is Burt Troubles.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Burt Doubles, Hey.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We'll throw you in here, and then all of a
sudden we enter this new conversation not because you actually
had an authentic invitation, and so All Girls Skate Jam
was so important because that was through a real invitation
with meaning to like position women in an all like
female focused skate event.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But so much of this we'll see throughout the storytelling,
is that a.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Lot of the invitation was like, yeah, by accident that
this happened, So, yeah, we arrived in two thousand and
three the fashion can we.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Have Lindsay and Vanessa wave to everyone. Can you guys
wave there?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
We have the medalists right, It's like no time has passed.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Well, this is just a testament to the community. I
mean they're sitting in the audience here tonight. And this
was over twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Pick your fighter here. We had Amy Kurn Place and
third there. Lindsay did a double park. This was called
park at the time, not street places in park. Winning
a medal and invert as you see over here. So
pretty incredible moment.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The price perse I think if I heard right, was
two dollars and fifty cents and.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
No more cars were with this two thousand, Lindsay said.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
It's two thousand for first and two thousand for first.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And women's in fifty thousand for first and men's.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Also, I know it was twenty years ago, but plane
tickets and hotels and everything around that was so expensive.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So basically came out like you in the negative after
a trip like that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And this was the only way to get any recognition
as a female and skateboarding by being at a contest
that had this kind of high level value.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So we're in two thousand and three, we're moving into the.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Second axl Rose, Oh no, that's Lindsay Adams Hawkins pastrana.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Did Latsia steal your bandana? And then she took off
with it?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Trend setting incredible fashion.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Where do we get a poster of this for we?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, can you get right there of this image?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I don't know why I'm the icon for exposure when
this exists.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So then we're in two thousand and four, and yet again,
Lindsay or you're right from center, well done, well done.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We've got Mimi Noop over here with Carabeth Burney and very.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Very ripped, ripped in these photos.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
I did a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We're seeing the progression with the X Games and showing
up with a women's division, and we're two thousand and four.
There's momentum, but we already kind of flagged. There's a
lot of unfair relationships to the time of when you
get to skate.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
We had forty five minutes practice before it started, so
two hours total for the tired event.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And what about the men.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I think the guys had like a week week long,
which is what we eventually what we eventually had. But
but yeah, so it was very, very different times.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay, So for the sake of this episode that will
be a podcast at some point. The men had a
full week to practice and you all had two hours.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
We had two hours including the competition, So we have
forty five minutes of practice.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
That's not practice, just what.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
It was, what the landscape was at the time. Really
great way to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Figure out how you're gonna get that metal. So because
of this we arrive in two thousand and five. Lindsay,
are you so glad you flew out?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Well, so for the listeners rather than listeners nor listeners.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're looking at Lindsay in a hot, hot pink tight
rash guard synthetic material long sleeve with an arrowhead necklace
out of stainless steel or silver, wearing a pink highlighter
pink bandana underneath a white flat build DC Shoe Co
(23:41):
Flat Nora.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
She also was the first to do the mega ramp
and it's great.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's like, hey, okay, okay, I'm sorry, can't take you
literally never, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
We can't take a joke, memi.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Wow, okay, wow, all right, Well we're talking about an
image of Lindsay, and we're talking about Lindsay and that's all,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So we're in two thousand and five and we arrive
at an interesting moment. Go ahead, Mimi.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, so this is two thousand and five. This is
obviously myself and some others, Carabeth, Jen, There were a
few of us that decided to Yeah, I think Vanessa
you were there, Alyssa was there, Lindsay was there. Yeah,
we sort of under the guidance of a guy named
Drew Murns, who is a sports agent from IMG that
(24:30):
ended up connecting with who. Yeah, was just kind of
planting in our heads that you guys are more valuable
if you work together and unite to create leverage or
such a small group you're all friends, like aren't why
aren't these contests paying you? Like, how can you afford
to do this? And so yeah, we sort of spontaneously
got together the night before the Women's Street Contest I
(24:50):
think two thousand and five, so twenty years ago, and
we decided maybe we just won't show up tomorrow, Let's
just see what's what's gonna happen. Maybe, well we'll create
some lovers way and we did. The stands were full
somehow they didn't advertise it, so I don't know how
that happened, but the stands were full and no one
was there. So we got a call from the head
(25:11):
the head honcho at the time at X Games, and
we're like, look, we just want a meeting, like, we
don't want anything overnight, we just want to sit down
and have a conversation about this and really just have
a voice into our own events. And so they agreed,
and yeah, I think we told the street girls were good,
we're gonna set this straight, and you guys went and skated,
and then the next day we skated vert. Here we are,
(25:32):
so this is after the women's vert contest two days later.
Obviously we were excited. We were like cool, we made
some strides, happen, everything ended great, and then the whole
year passed and we never had that meeting. So we
were a bit frustrated by that. So, yeah, it takes
us the summer two thousand and six, and we went
(25:55):
to the media at that point, which there were actual
newspapers back then that people read instead of just going online.
But yeah, we got an article on the front page
of the New York Times Sports section, which then triggered
a meeting with the vice president of ESPN at the time,
which we had again deja vu. The night before the
contest in two thousand and six, we met with him
(26:16):
and we're like, look, we don't want anything outlandish. We
just want this to grow over time, along with the
talent that comes into the sport, so we can actually
make a living here because we can't even pay for
this trip basically, even if we win. So he agreed,
and yeah, we asked for three things, prize perst parody
over a year few years span as the level went up,
(26:37):
increased media exposure, and to organize our own events, which
was actually one of the most important things we asked for.
And then he said, yes, okay, let's do it. And
so we went and skated again one more time and
it's gotten better ever since. Let me just add really
quickly to tybo on that we've got a call on
the end of two thousand and eight. They're like, look,
(26:58):
we just want to let you know Winter X game
is going to be the first that gets us, but
we're gonna have equal purses for all Winter and Summer
X games going forward. And yeah, so that next summer
we got equal purses for the first time. Sorry, it
increased and then a couple years later with equal purses,
and then that led to around this time comy Pool Classic.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
If you're getting paid money in skateboarding, it's me Mei's
fault in a good way.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
You did it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Thank you, thank you truly.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
All right, skaters, let's skate into another ad break.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
We're at twenty ten comby Bool.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Part of the conversations where that you would have a
say and how these contests would move forward and what
they'd look like and how you could have an advantage
in them.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Honestly that this is all Steve van Dorin. I have
to give him credit. Like Steve, he was like, look,
I want to do something for the girls. I want
to do something for the ams. And he's like, if
you guys want to have your own event, let's do it.
And this was this is a really weird time because
there weren't a lot of competitions or ways to really
earn money. And so yeah, sat down with Carabath, we
came up with the name Comypool Classic. I drew the
(28:16):
logo and we were like, let's do this, and that's
what this is.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You can see mem right there.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That's a very dorky photo of me. Right there.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
She's made many a logo and a.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Really sweet prize award of a guitar here, who else, Nora,
what's your memory of it? This is when you came along,
so tell her. This is tell us about yours.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
When you were born.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Oh yeah, yea.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Kombe was like the first time I came to California
to do an event or ever, No, that's a lie,
I lied. X Games was the first time. Kombe was
the second time, and it was the catalyst of like,
if they're doing this event, maybe you can skated in
(29:01):
the future and not go to college, which I wasn't
gonna do anyway.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
By the way, this wasn't a big This wasn't a
big balance.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Parents know that you weren't called material.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They're like, this girl's dumb as a door nub. She's
gonna have to go to California and ride a skateboard.
So yeah, this it was just like the only thing
we had going after X Games essentially got canceled or canned.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
The women's side of X Games get canned.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
So women's vert Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Twenty ten women, it's all we had.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Sorry in twenty ten for more context, Women's Vert ended,
So two thousand and three to twenty ten, a very
very short window that we saw. It was kind of
the end of vert for a bit there as well.
So we'll go into kind of the next fly. Now
we're in twenty fifteen, the very first Women's Street League
SLS Baby, So kind of the some of the through
(29:52):
lines that we've been talking about is again not really
being at the table to have a conversation to how
to make the event the best possible product for the
women to skateboard, but then also the viewers to experience
and just have a better experience.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Across the board for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
And in twenty fifteen you were in a lot of
meetings internally.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Rob Deredk called us in twenty thirteen and was like, look,
we want to add women. Took a couple of years.
We made a whole proposal, came up with another logo
that was probably whatever, but uh sensing a theme. Yeah,
if you draw up pure.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They're like, if you have a background in graphic design,
we'll give you an event.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
We just need you to handle the.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Peo to see it.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
We just need to see it. AnyWho. Rob called and
we're like, okay, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So to the ladies like can you draw a picture
for the ladies, and you're like, yeah, here's a pink nice.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
There was no pink, no pink. Sorry sorry, Yeah. Rob
called because there was a business case. Rob called because
he knows what's coming. So yeah, we helped facilitate some
of that, and we ran the We got women's discipline
added into Street League, ran the event for couple of
years till twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And rewind what was the knows what's coming?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Like, why, well, Rob, Yeah, they were They were very
clear that the Olympics were interested in skateboarding, and if
you have an Olympic sport, it can't be gender biased,
which means you have to have men and women. So
there's clearly a market coming that maybe hadn't existed before
on the same platform or same same international stage.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I would say, yeah, So again another moment in time
that maybe fortunately right person to be answering the call
and orchestrate something so great but not coming and necessarily
out of like the desire to be like, we've been
really appreciating watching the progression women skateboarding. We want to
level it up with one of our incredible events that
is going to move skateboarding forward. It's oh the Olympics, right,
(31:46):
we want any he.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Said, We need you hurry up and make it work
and trike it look good. Mab a logo, draw us
a logo.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So Wheels of Fortune arrived way before twenty fifteen, of course.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But I just want to highlight that because a lot
of these events you have to be invited to.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You can't just show up and get in at the
contest required getting an actual invitation. These events like WAFF
are examples of places and exposure and exposure exposure are
places that you can show up and start to make
a name for yourself and participate in the community of
competitive skateboarding and see if it's for you or not.
Christin Ebling, of course, the mastermind behind all this. So
(32:26):
incredible to see these grassroom events mean so much, Mimi,
you were sharing earlier, like again, the significance of why
these things matter.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean this is the constant in between all
of the invite only sort of you know, entertainment style
commercial events. So exposure WAFF like they've been there this
whole time and it's been something we can count on
and something that's even more importantly good for like the
younger ones coming up, because there's no sort of like
entryway into a lot of these contests is just kind
(32:57):
of the top tier. So WAFF and both Exposure have
been awesome for that, I think.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So Plug to WAFT thir team coming up next year,
A six off is coming, Bills the Fortunes Gay like
a Girl Seattle.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, be there. It's going to be incredible if you
can make it work.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Obviously travel is expensive, but if you can start saving away,
this is a great event to be at.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
It's so incredibly fun.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
As you can see, this is a four and one
logo inspired logo, so a lot of the theme is
going to be throwback. There's any error, which is a
great way that you can express your outfits of Lindsay's
amazing fashion statements.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That we saw.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Lindsay will give tips after we're done show Lindsay two.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Thousand and three, two thousand and four, are you going
for five? Don't worry about it, I might do three?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Cool? All right, cool, great, great, glad we talked all right, And.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So then we're at Exposure again.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Amelia shout out, Amelia, why we're all here because of
this event night.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
This is from last year's photo. This is from the
second year twenty twelve. Twenty twelve might have been the
first one. Is that thirteen? Okay, that was a second
year in twenty second year. Nora, you're right there.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
What are we celebrating, Nora?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Do you remember that? Do you remember someone asked me
if I was your mom? That was cool.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Anyway, that we were celebrating Alana doing five forty, first
ever five compati first first ever five forty.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Done by Lindsay in two thousand and nine in Paris
at Tony Hawk demo.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
That that's us up out of nowhere, huge massive mick
twist as your first five forty is wild wild choice.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Congrats, you can wear it.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
Thank you for your service, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
For your service.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The important part too, is like, yeah, fourteen years in
every year here for others to join, to keep coming
back to show up. It's that void that's been filled
is and all the other contests that sometimes don't have
funding the next year so they're not there again.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean, I think I think the majority of the
girls in the final today of the Pro Division Bowl
are within the age range to they were born around
the time if not younger than exposure.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
So that's what that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
What'd you guys see today? You were broadcasting all day,
you were you were also.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Absolutely what was it? Was insane?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Basically, you have a bunch of people scanning the bowl.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
The bowl is this giant hole in the ground that's
covered in concrete.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's very smooth, but it's also.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
They're skitting it on purpose.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Have you ever seen James and the Giant Peach?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Any standouts? Any any people that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yvonne from Taiwan.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean, every time I see someone that I haven't
seen skate and I just feel like I'm like a
pretty like versed skate enthusiast.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
So I feel like I've seen it all.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I haven't And so every time I see somebody new
and who is like on another level, I get very excited.
I get very excited to see people like masl come through.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And put it together. I get really excited to see
like everybody.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I think one of the things I noticed just so
like if we really zoom out and look at things
years and years ago, just the how many kids are
coming from different countries that are all just absolutely killing it.
That's a big shift and something awesome to see perfect.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
So then we're at Paris twenty twenty four Games. Obviously
skateboarding debuty.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
At the Tokyo twenty twenty Games, because it was a
COVID year, there were not people thirty thousand in the audience.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I was there able to experience.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
One of the craziest phenomenons at a skate event of
watching people like do all the normal like sporting chants
that you see for countries, but for skateboarding, and most
of the people in the audience, not knowing anything about.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Skateboarding, get it together.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Out she just boring.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Sorry, look that's the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
I mean, it wasn't boring, but it was like, you know,
and then it is a little boring.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
A hold on, I would love all right, there's nothing
boring about I like exposure better. So the biggest stage
for sports in the world, and all of a sudden, skateboarding,
controversial or not, is here, and I'm watching people who
know nothing about it love see the risk involved, and
(37:40):
they're they're all in on this.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
We dare talk about Nicole Kidd.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But point point is is seeing this pathway that now
is like the sportification side of skateboarding, which is allowing
potential new federations and people to have jobs to work
in skateboarding that are maybe retired out of the industry
and have pathways through college to be skateboarding the joy
of skateboarding. Yes, will it change aspects of it, of course,
(38:08):
But watching this happen and seeing these pathways in these
moments for these athletes was so incredible to witness, and
I'm very excited to see what's gonna go on twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
In La in our own country.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
But honestly, maybe like, how did you become such a meddler?
Speaker 7 (38:25):
What do you mean now?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I mean the theme here I think is that are
you James with a.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Lot of stuff?
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Honestly, I'm just thinking like a skater, Like I'm just like,
all right, well, how can I make this better? Right now?
For whatever's happening, for who's involved, that's it.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's all.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
He's like, women's skateboarding is really weird. Who's this lady
in every photo?
Speaker 7 (38:48):
It's just mean, who is she?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
And what does she do?
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Why does she live in Tasmania? This is looking really
suspect right now.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
No, I think it's good like the skateboard, bringing the
skateboard mentality to business and trying.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Why she have a pet wallaby?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
She's not a pet.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Why does she is rehomed, rescued, rewilded wallaby living on
her property.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
For everyone listening in this is real. Her name is Annie.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Life is an adventure. People try to live it.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Go outside.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
No, honestly, that's that's all it is. It's like, I
didn't have a lot growing up. I didn't even see
any other girl skater selves in my twenties, So for me,
it's I never had that. So I think it's really
in response to that if i'm if, I'm really if
I really think hard about it. But yeah, I also
might be a bit of a masochist because it's a
lot of hard work.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There is.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
It's a lot of hard work. Yeah, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
No, But I gotta say that the contributions that you
have brought through this, and I think that part of
the reason for kind of talking about this tonight is
just as highlightly that no one is coming to save us,
and that literally it's the people that are working alongsid idea.
It's people like me, me, people like Chris and people
like Amelia that are doing the behind the scenes work
to make it happen.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Is the reason that there's an exposure.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Yes, I'll also add like all the all the younger
girls out there, like you guys have leverage, Like you
should be working together now, Like it's not it's not
about it's about you. So yeah, start start getting involved
behind the scenes. We need you guys involved, We need.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
You involved, well said.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So yeah, that is our very first ever live taping
of Good Luck with that. We're so happy to have
you all here. This will be a weekly episodic thing
every week, something new to listen to every week.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
We're gonna be Atoma doing this. He will be right
out here.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Please just move here and let's make it happen. S Yeah,
a lot of good guests. It's all gonna be you.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Know, cultural record Kitman, Keith Arapin, They're all coming on
the pod.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
A little bit of group therapy and a lot of
like talking about the past and present and what's happening
in present or what's happening in competition, skateboarding, street parts
and just really letting people have the mic so tune in.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It should be really fun.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm lucky to have all of these wonderful hosts.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Here a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
All right, everyone, that was our very first live taping
of good Luck with That.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Thank you so much Amelia at Exposure and Alan from
La Polo in My Theater for hosting us.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
We had a really good time.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Follow us at good Luck Pod on Instagram, Give us
a like, give us a comment.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
We're there, we're listening, we're watching. We'd love to hear
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
All.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Tune in. We'll be here next week and the week
after that and the week after that. All right, everyone,
good Luck with that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Good Luck with That is an iHeart women's sports production
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Speaker 9 (42:01):
We are your hosts Ashley Rayfield, Noura of Askenzello's and
Alex White.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Our executive producer is Jesse Katz.
Speaker 9 (42:08):
Produced by Tarry Harrison, Daniel Goodman and Grace Views.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Listen to good Luck with That, a skateboarding podcast on iHeartRadio, app,
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey everyone, Ashley Raifeld Here. A few weeks ago we
packed out the La Paloma Theater and Encinitas for a.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Night that felt well, very cool.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Joining me on stage was Norvasconsalos, Alex White and Mimi Nup,
the hosts of Good Luck with That. We walked through
a large timeline of women's skateboarding contests from the nineteen
sixties to today.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You can't tell that story without talking about the world
women were skating through. You have to talk about the rules,
the rights, the lack of rights, the part where society
was still deciding what women were even allowed to do.
Like in nineteen sixty nine, the same year women were
competing in some of the very first skate contests, they
needed a husband to co sign a bank loan.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Romantic right.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Then, in nineteen seventy two, Title nine passes making it
illegal to block women and girls from sports. That one
massive piece of legislation is basically the secret origin story
of almost every women's contest were celebrating in this episode.
A year later, in seventy three, a little thing called
roe versus Wade expands reproductive rights or where in nineteen
seventy four, women were finally allowed to open their very
(01:13):
own bank accounts. It wasn't until nineteen seventy eight that
it became illegal to fire someone for just being pregnant.
Fast forward to the eighties. In nineteen eighty four, sexual
harassment is finally recognized as workplace discrimination. Before that totally tolerated,
unregulated and normalized. This was all the landscape Carabeut Burnside
and so many others were skating through. And if that's
(01:34):
not enough, unbelievably marital raped, and it become a legal
nationwide Until nineteen ninety six, change came in tiny, frustrating increments.
This was the backdrop for an entire generation of women
and gender expansive skaters. And now it's twenty twenty five.
Women in gender expansive skateboarding is headlining global contests with
the level of talent and depth That didn't arrive just overnight.
(01:57):
It survived decades of being underestimated. And I say all
of this because none of these contests happened just effortlessly.
Women were skating through a world shape by all of
these things, the rights, the limits, the contradictions, the overlooked opportunities.
So this episode is a little bit of an appreciation letter,
a look back archive. It's the story of women's skate contests,
what we push through, what we've built, and what we're
(02:19):
still building. Recorded live and incinitas during Exposure weekend. All right, everyone,
let's get into this. All right, Welcome to our first
ever live taping. This is good Luck with That, a
podcast about skateboarding trying to exist in an industry that
maybe wasn't always built for everyone in mind.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
As I mentioned, my name is Ashley Raefeld.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm a creative skateboarder strategist, had a lifelong relationship in
the business of skateboarding, kind of more of a meddler
of it, trying to push women skateboarding forward, kind of
with grace, mostly with a crowbar, really.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Trying to get that door open.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And obviously, if you need to use a crowbar a
door open, that means it probably wasn't open in the
first place. So tonight I'm here with a bunch of
other legends who've been pushing this whole thing forward to
try to make it nicer for everyone else. I'm with
Alex White. Everyone give Alex White a round of applause.
Here I realize they're supposed to do the intro and
(03:18):
then the round of applause. Alex is a professional skateboarder
turned commentator, sarcasm specialist.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
She's gonna let you know how it is.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
She also gave like eight hours to the mic today,
so lots of reps on the live broadcast for exposure,
and is here a few hours later doing it for us,
So thank you very much. And then we have the
Mayor of San Diego with us tonight. Nor Asconcellos, a
pro skateboarder, surfer, artists, cat enthusiast cat thief too.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
If you're not looking, I've literally never stolen a care.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Every time I've ever seen a cat near your presence,
you go and pick it up.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Borrows a cat, borrows.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Stop shop a cat.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I've never stolen a cat, so that's slander. But happy
to be here, guys. I can't see anybody. It's really
bright up.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Here, and that tease up this perfectly to the the
coolest one of them of us all, Mimi Noob, an
absolute pioneer.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
We're all here because of Mimi a CEO.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
She helped assemble the USA World Skate Sorry, the USA
Olympic team.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's still global state USA. She built the USA.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
Don't ever do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
All right, So tonight we're going to be discussing a
lot of the past, present, and future of women in
gender expansive skateboarding. Since we are at such a great
skate competition, we thought, hey, let's talk about all the
different women's competitions dating back from the sixties all the
way up to.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Them, all of them through them chronological order.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So Alex, what are we looking at here?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
We're looking at Patty McGee.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Here?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Can we get round a plaus for Patty McGee?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Patty McGee last year we.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Did a tribute to her.
Speaker 8 (05:06):
She passed away last year and she was the first.
Speaker 9 (05:10):
Ever national champion women national champion of skateboarding too. And
I have like a fun you know, just to give
some reference here. This is the mid sixties. And one
fun thing about Patty was she really wanted to be
a pro and she went to Hoby Hoby skateboard She's like.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I just won, I just won this contest.
Speaker 9 (05:28):
Will you guys sponsor me, and Hoby said to her,
I don't have time for you.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Will you babysit my kids?
Speaker 9 (05:35):
But she persevered and she did end up getting sponsored,
and she did get up on the cover of Life
magazine as well, and she was a longtime advocate for
the women's skate scene and just an incredible powerhouse. So she,
you know, just from the very get go. I just
think Patty is a great person to like kind of
start this on, because like she was the first.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think also visually and symbolically, there's no this is
probably the start of visual visuals of women skateboarding media
or in culture. I mean, this is like pretty for
the sixties to be the starting point is kind of
all you need to know. Skateboarding is a young activity.
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Also during it, it was scored like ice skating, so
they used to score in the sixties. They would like
throw up a number card that said seven, said six seven.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah said six seven, can we yep? Perfect? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (06:24):
That was that was how they scored it too. Here
and then moving right along into the nineteen seventies. Now
I wish I could touch on every single Judy Judy
oh Yah Money Santa Cruz, California, on my hometown. Judy
competed in slalom and again pushed herself to do downhill
and slaow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Judy is still competing exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's the point, like, I'm sorry, this was Judy last week.
Like she's still doing this exact thing. So if we
can all grow up to be Judy.
Speaker 9 (06:53):
She has a Guinness Book of World Record for I
guess oldest skateboard.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Whatever she's doing this still, that's well.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, she's a graphic designer too, Judy.
Speaker 9 (07:03):
And Judy also saved everything, so she has like this
great archive of like all of the you know graphics
that she made the original skateboards. So she is like
a history museum in herself too.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So Judy held onto a.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
Lot of history and also dealt with a lot of
the same kind of stuff. I remember I heard that
people that I used to work with at NHS told
her that they would never be never to let her
turn pro because women couldn't be pro. And she still
wrote and still did and so persevered and capital classic
and did downhole and still doing it today. So Judy's
a great chining example of like, yeah, she she had
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to get through some stuff to get.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Also are any of the people where Yeah, NHS still
showing up and doing slalom contests at seventy I'm sorry, how.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Old are we?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Probably not all right, So here we are, we've arrived
in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
If you all don't know who this is, we are.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So excited to tell you more about one of our
biggest heroes in scate.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Carabath Cara Beth Burnside.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Name doesn't get any cooler.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
C B Carrabth Burnside coming from Orange, California.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Skating the big O, skating the Big O.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Do you want to give us some context to kind
of why this was such a significant blockbuster moment for
the images that we just looked at And now we've
arrived in the eighties and we're in a bigger arena
of contests.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Yeah, I think. Well, to be honest, like all contests
today are because of Carabeth's championing everything through all the years.
But from my memory, what she told me from this
time is there were a lot of girls and women
skating at the parks alongside the boys. And then you
know when the when the skate parks sort of all
went away. I think it was, you know, a lot
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of insurance issues. They all got torn down. That's when
it sort of dropped off. So yeah, Carabeth was one
of the ones that was was there as a youngster
back in the day and sort of led the way.
Got the first Thrasher cover in August Night, which I
never saw unfortunately as a little kid.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Also as Southern California people who are here in Southern
California now and have some sort of idea of the
skaters and the legends of what's going on. Seebe in
that last photo is around the time that Steve Cavallero
and Hassoi and Tony Hawk and Mike McGill and all
these guys are growing up skating basically the same stuff.
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So just to put into perspective age and ability, it's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Dwayne Peters was her sort of mentor and coached her.
He was he taught her how to how to skate, but.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I just hope skateboarding is all he taught her.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So we're still in the eighties, we're getting into the nineties,
and we have to talk about some very significant moments
that were happening in street skateboarding and guess is Anita here?
Are you here?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Your hands right here?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We owe so much to you and for seeing to
see your passion and move it forward for street skateboarding
for women at the time and make it so progressive
where I hear Lisa Whitaker, who's my hero, tell me
that you inspired her because you were able to kickflip
a skateboard and time that that wasn't we weren't seeing
women do that. And for Lisa to see that, to
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inspire her to do that and to pass it on
to all of us here on stage, just so incredible.
It's an honor to have you here tonight. We want
to make sure that you get some of those flowers.
A lot of folks we had to leave out as
we moved through the conversation. But we're just kind of
moving through eighties, early nineties, and now we get into
kind of the mid late nineties as we moved to
the next slide and we're at a different juncture for
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skate contest for women.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
All Girls Skate Jam, super.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Important gathering bro there, This is the first ever all
Girls Skate Jam.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Were you tucking it into your pants by accident?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
This one was the first one.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
You had to find out about skate contest through word
of mouth or like a little section in Thrasher or
trans World.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
There was like a little, you know, blip on the
radar about this. So this was the first one I
went to. All Girls Skate Gym.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
Also, All Girls Skate Gym was here in San Diego.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
It was at the Escondito Park.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
It was at uh what was that weird one graphics
warehouse that had like a mega ramp quarter.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Pipe at the back for Danny Wade to skate. It
was crazy, but yeah, this is where I met everybody.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
And one of the things I wanted to think about
when I was thinking about this and thinking about like
being on the pod and talking about early skate contest
is skate contests aren't all about competing.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
It was about meeting people.
Speaker 9 (11:35):
And I'm hoping that like, while we're here at this weekend,
there's a bunch of people meeting their new best friends.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That is like I feel like if if you're a
woman or gender expansive person who's come to any event
in that space, whether it's Exposure or X Games or
Oregon Trifecta or Wheels of Stun Watch team coming like
whatever it is you, the primary goal of that has
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been to engage and grow your community.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
And that is like, it doesn't matter what era or
like what level of competitive you are, like, you are
there for that. And we've all met our best friends
through that.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
And listen, I was no era of competitive.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I live way down there.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
You were like, hey, can I drop in on this?
Speaker 7 (12:22):
It's like a tube in the sky.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
You're like, I'll drop in on this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Tube in the sky.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
I like to drop in on tubes and just make friends.
So made lifelong friends at All Girls Skate Up. That's
why I was impactful for me. But I think a
lot of people have the same experience.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And just look at these street final results for the
Old Head Very School.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I see Lisa Winterer coming in seventh, play seven.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Shell Pazzell shout out in Michelle Pizel number twelve here
making the ranking here Alyssa of course number.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
One, but I love that Caraba van Dude.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Street number two. I mean, CB is what the first
person to get a.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Gold medal or a metal in I don't know, the
first the only person besides Sean White to win Summer
and Winter X Games. That's right, and the second no
one will ever do that, the second woman in the
world to have a pro shoe behind Gabrielle Rees who
is a volleyball player.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And speaking of in real life, the proof that you
were there, there's a little Alex next to Alyssa.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
I'm like choking with anxiety. He also feels anxiety. Are contest,
but I'm like, and my mom took that picture.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm like, I can't wait to get this box from Roxy.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, if we move into the next slide, this was
really cool though. This was shot for Beastie Boys magazine
Grand Royal, and these portraits were all shot of the
women that were there and they're so amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So hopefully, which if you.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Follow our podcast, we will post this photo Hi Rez
on our Instagram, but.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
If you follow our only fans, but.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Seeing Jesse and Lisa and Alyssa and Lauren Malika, it's
just incredible to see these like just moments in time
and just such an incredible important period for girls skateboarding.
So we'll go into the next one, and we already
mentioned Lisa Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I told Lisa today, I was like, it's gonna be
kind of crazy how much we talk about you tonight
and I hope it's okay, and I know it's not,
but you're gonna have to sit there and engage or not.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
And it's important for the people to know.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's extremely important for the people to know.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I mean I came on the scene in two
thousand and eleven and as a East Coaster coming to
California and meeting Lisa at Combe and then being a
fan of the side project which became Girls Skate Network.
She is the beacon of light that guides all things
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to It's hilarious, I know, to female skateboarding. So, yeah,
you're watching the edits, you're watching the the vlog cams.
I mean, this is like before vlog cams were vlog cams,
you know what I'm saying. This is like the true
essence of the community and what women's skateboarding was at
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the time. But then moving to California and getting to
meet Lisa and then meet everyone through Lisa, including people
like Vanessa Torres, who are who is sitting in the audience. Yeah,
it's just like it was a view into a world
that nobody else was capturing. There is literally no one
else who is documenting anything that was happening at women's skateboarding.
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And I don't care if you filmed one thing, like,
I don't care because you didn't film anything else. You
did not you didn't show up consistently, you weren't putting
things online, you weren't showcasing what the women were doing.
And guess what one person was. And her name is
Lisa Whitaker.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
That's right, it is true, though your name Lisa's so sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It is gonna be like every episode Lisa water Well,
the Encyclopedia of Lisa, but I cannot over index on
again the importance that she It's hard to know when
you're like witnessing history and documenting it. But Lisa was
there through every period, well not every period, but most
of them, documenting some really important times.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hey, friends, we're going on a quick break. We'll be
right back.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
We're at ninety seven. We're in the late nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
We're starting to see kind of a little boom and
I say little for women skateboarding and women in skate
contest and we're starting to see the contests pop up.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
We got the hardcore skate Jym.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Gallas has a team and they're putting out demos and contests.
We see this city jam incorporate women. It's a pretty
big exciting time. This is what really was the first
time that I saw skateboarding that I wanted to emulate
and participate in.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
All because of this.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, the prize purse, we're looking at a top tier
prize of one thousand dollars, which we're gonna talk a
lot about here in a minute. So we're getting into
the late nineties, early two thousand's okay, So this one's
pretty incredible. It's two thousand and two, Galas, We're in
Australia and it's Kelly Box.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Is she in the room with us tonight?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Is Kelly Box here?
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Kelly?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Can you call in please?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
What's Kelly doing right now? Kelly's at disney Land?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Where seven kids?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I was trying to be conservative with the slides, but
I had to pull this one out because Amy Cron,
who we love, shout out Amy.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Places first and the prize purse is two thousand dollars
and she wins of what does she do with the car?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
What happened to the car?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
She gets in the car in the arena in front
of everyone, and she has no idea that it's in
first gear and she starts the car and crashes it
into Bucky Laci's car.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
All right, I think Amy set us back about fifteen
years without no more girls.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
At these women can't win cars and you are for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
All right.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
So we've now arrived, like I said, two thousands, and we're.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
At Srebiles for the ladies.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In women's skateboarding get a hot wheel. So I'm gonna
let mem explain what's going on the screen here, all right.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
So I believe this was two thousand and one. Basically
there was a doubles vert division in X Games and
Bob Burnquist's uh doubles part. I think it was Lincoln Yueita.
I believe, Yes, I might be wrong, but I think
Lincoln and Lincoln might be here today. I'm not sure,
but I think he got hurt or something. And so
Jen jumped in at the last second, Jenn O'Bryan, and
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so that's what you see here, and that sort of
started the conversation at the time of like, oh, women
skate like what's happening here? And Jen and Cbe the
crew at the time sort of advocated for an event
the following year two thousand and two in Philadelphia, which
was a demo, wasn't a metal event, which Lindsay was at,
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and then I luckily came around along at the right
time the next year when it was a first the
first time I was a medal event at X Games
in two thousand and three, and we actually have two
medalists here in the audience from that Vanessa Lanza, whichever you're.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
About to show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But I kind of find this like through line all
the way from the sixties of Hey, can I be
on the team?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Actually can you just babysit to.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
This exact moment where oh, no, my stunt, my other
is Burt Troubles.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Burt Doubles, Hey.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We'll throw you in here, and then all of a
sudden we enter this new conversation not because you actually
had an authentic invitation, and so All Girls Skate Jam
was so important because that was through a real invitation
with meaning to like position women in an all like
female focused skate event.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But so much of this we'll see throughout the storytelling,
is that a.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Lot of the invitation was like, yeah, by accident that
this happened, So, yeah, we arrived in two thousand and
three the fashion can we.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Have Lindsay and Vanessa wave to everyone. Can you guys
wave there?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
We have the medalists right, It's like no time has passed.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Well, this is just a testament to the community. I
mean they're sitting in the audience here tonight. And this
was over twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Pick your fighter here. We had Amy Kurn Place and
third there. Lindsay did a double park. This was called
park at the time, not street places in park. Winning
a medal and invert as you see over here. So
pretty incredible moment.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The price perse I think if I heard right, was
two dollars and fifty cents and.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
No more cars were with this two thousand, Lindsay said.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
It's two thousand for first and two thousand for first.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
And women's in fifty thousand for first and men's.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Also, I know it was twenty years ago, but plane
tickets and hotels and everything around that was so expensive.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So basically came out like you in the negative after
a trip like that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And this was the only way to get any recognition
as a female and skateboarding by being at a contest
that had this kind of high level value.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So we're in two thousand and three, we're moving into the.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Second axl Rose, Oh no, that's Lindsay Adams Hawkins pastrana.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Did Latsia steal your bandana? And then she took off
with it?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Trend setting incredible fashion.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Where do we get a poster of this for we?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, can you get right there of this image?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I don't know why I'm the icon for exposure when
this exists.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So then we're in two thousand and four, and yet again,
Lindsay or you're right from center, well done, well done.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We've got Mimi Noop over here with Carabeth Burney and very.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Very ripped, ripped in these photos.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
I did a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We're seeing the progression with the X Games and showing
up with a women's division, and we're two thousand and four.
There's momentum, but we already kind of flagged. There's a
lot of unfair relationships to the time of when you
get to skate.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
We had forty five minutes practice before it started, so
two hours total for the tired event.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And what about the men.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I think the guys had like a week week long,
which is what we eventually what we eventually had. But
but yeah, so it was very, very different times.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay, So for the sake of this episode that will
be a podcast at some point. The men had a
full week to practice and you all had two hours.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
We had two hours including the competition, So we have
forty five minutes of practice.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
That's not practice, just what.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
It was, what the landscape was at the time. Really
great way to.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Figure out how you're gonna get that metal. So because
of this we arrive in two thousand and five. Lindsay,
are you so glad you flew out?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Well, so for the listeners rather than listeners nor listeners.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're looking at Lindsay in a hot, hot pink tight
rash guard synthetic material long sleeve with an arrowhead necklace
out of stainless steel or silver, wearing a pink highlighter
pink bandana underneath a white flat build DC Shoe Co
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Flat Nora.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
She also was the first to do the mega ramp
and it's great.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's like, hey, okay, okay, I'm sorry, can't take you
literally never, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
We can't take a joke, memi.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Wow, okay, wow, all right, Well we're talking about an
image of Lindsay, and we're talking about Lindsay and that's all,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
So we're in two thousand and five and we arrive
at an interesting moment. Go ahead, Mimi.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, so this is two thousand and five. This is
obviously myself and some others, Carabeth, Jen, There were a
few of us that decided to Yeah, I think Vanessa
you were there, Alyssa was there, Lindsay was there. Yeah,
we sort of under the guidance of a guy named
Drew Murns, who is a sports agent from IMG that
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ended up connecting with who. Yeah, was just kind of
planting in our heads that you guys are more valuable
if you work together and unite to create leverage or
such a small group you're all friends, like aren't why
aren't these contests paying you? Like, how can you afford
to do this? And so yeah, we sort of spontaneously
got together the night before the Women's Street Contest I
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think two thousand and five, so twenty years ago, and
we decided maybe we just won't show up tomorrow, Let's
just see what's what's gonna happen. Maybe, well we'll create
some lovers way and we did. The stands were full
somehow they didn't advertise it, so I don't know how
that happened, but the stands were full and no one
was there. So we got a call from the head
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the head honcho at the time at X Games, and
we're like, look, we just want a meeting, like, we
don't want anything overnight, we just want to sit down
and have a conversation about this and really just have
a voice into our own events. And so they agreed,
and yeah, I think we told the street girls were good,
we're gonna set this straight, and you guys went and skated,
and then the next day we skated vert. Here we are,
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so this is after the women's vert contest two days later.
Obviously we were excited. We were like cool, we made
some strides, happen, everything ended great, and then the whole
year passed and we never had that meeting. So we
were a bit frustrated by that. So, yeah, it takes
us the summer two thousand and six, and we went
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to the media at that point, which there were actual
newspapers back then that people read instead of just going online.
But yeah, we got an article on the front page
of the New York Times Sports section, which then triggered
a meeting with the vice president of ESPN at the time,
which we had again deja vu. The night before the
contest in two thousand and six, we met with him
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and we're like, look, we don't want anything outlandish. We
just want this to grow over time, along with the
talent that comes into the sport, so we can actually
make a living here because we can't even pay for
this trip basically, even if we win. So he agreed,
and yeah, we asked for three things, prize perst parody
over a year few years span as the level went up,
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increased media exposure, and to organize our own events, which
was actually one of the most important things we asked for.
And then he said, yes, okay, let's do it. And
so we went and skated again one more time and
it's gotten better ever since. Let me just add really
quickly to tybo on that we've got a call on
the end of two thousand and eight. They're like, look,
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we just want to let you know Winter X game
is going to be the first that gets us, but
we're gonna have equal purses for all Winter and Summer
X games going forward. And yeah, so that next summer
we got equal purses for the first time. Sorry, it
increased and then a couple years later with equal purses,
and then that led to around this time comy Pool Classic.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
If you're getting paid money in skateboarding, it's me Mei's
fault in a good way.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
You did it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Thank you, thank you truly.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
All right, skaters, let's skate into another ad break.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
We're at twenty ten comby Bool.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Part of the conversations where that you would have a
say and how these contests would move forward and what
they'd look like and how you could have an advantage
in them.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Honestly that this is all Steve van Dorin. I have
to give him credit. Like Steve, he was like, look,
I want to do something for the girls. I want
to do something for the ams. And he's like, if
you guys want to have your own event, let's do it.
And this was this is a really weird time because
there weren't a lot of competitions or ways to really
earn money. And so yeah, sat down with Carabath, we
came up with the name Comypool Classic. I drew the
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logo and we were like, let's do this, and that's
what this is.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You can see mem right there.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That's a very dorky photo of me. Right there.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
She's made many a logo and a.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Really sweet prize award of a guitar here, who else, Nora,
what's your memory of it? This is when you came along,
so tell her. This is tell us about yours.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
When you were born.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Oh yeah, yea.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Kombe was like the first time I came to California
to do an event or ever, No, that's a lie,
I lied. X Games was the first time. Kombe was
the second time, and it was the catalyst of like,
if they're doing this event, maybe you can skated in
(29:01):
the future and not go to college, which I wasn't
gonna do anyway.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
By the way, this wasn't a big This wasn't a
big balance.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Parents know that you weren't called material.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They're like, this girl's dumb as a door nub. She's
gonna have to go to California and ride a skateboard.
So yeah, this it was just like the only thing
we had going after X Games essentially got canceled or canned.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
The women's side of X Games get canned.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
So women's vert Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Twenty ten women, it's all we had.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Sorry in twenty ten for more context, Women's Vert ended,
So two thousand and three to twenty ten, a very
very short window that we saw. It was kind of
the end of vert for a bit there as well.
So we'll go into kind of the next fly. Now
we're in twenty fifteen, the very first Women's Street League
SLS Baby, So kind of the some of the through
(29:52):
lines that we've been talking about is again not really
being at the table to have a conversation to how
to make the event the best possible product for the
women to skateboard, but then also the viewers to experience
and just have a better experience.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Across the board for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
And in twenty fifteen you were in a lot of
meetings internally.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Rob Deredk called us in twenty thirteen and was like, look,
we want to add women. Took a couple of years.
We made a whole proposal, came up with another logo
that was probably whatever, but uh sensing a theme. Yeah,
if you draw up pure.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They're like, if you have a background in graphic design,
we'll give you an event.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
We just need you to handle the.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Peo to see it.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
We just need to see it. AnyWho. Rob called and
we're like, okay, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So to the ladies like can you draw a picture
for the ladies, and you're like, yeah, here's a pink nice.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
There was no pink, no pink. Sorry sorry, Yeah. Rob
called because there was a business case. Rob called because
he knows what's coming. So yeah, we helped facilitate some
of that, and we ran the We got women's discipline
added into Street League, ran the event for couple of
years till twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And rewind what was the knows what's coming?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Like, why, well, Rob, Yeah, they were They were very
clear that the Olympics were interested in skateboarding, and if
you have an Olympic sport, it can't be gender biased,
which means you have to have men and women. So
there's clearly a market coming that maybe hadn't existed before
on the same platform or same same international stage.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I would say, yeah, So again another moment in time
that maybe fortunately right person to be answering the call
and orchestrate something so great but not coming and necessarily
out of like the desire to be like, we've been
really appreciating watching the progression women skateboarding. We want to
level it up with one of our incredible events that
is going to move skateboarding forward. It's oh the Olympics, right,
(31:46):
we want any he.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Said, We need you hurry up and make it work
and trike it look good. Mab a logo, draw us
a logo.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So Wheels of Fortune arrived way before twenty fifteen, of course.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But I just want to highlight that because a lot
of these events you have to be invited to.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You can't just show up and get in at the
contest required getting an actual invitation. These events like WAFF
are examples of places and exposure and exposure exposure are
places that you can show up and start to make
a name for yourself and participate in the community of
competitive skateboarding and see if it's for you or not.
Christin Ebling, of course, the mastermind behind all this. So
(32:26):
incredible to see these grassroom events mean so much, Mimi,
you were sharing earlier, like again, the significance of why
these things matter.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean this is the constant in between all
of the invite only sort of you know, entertainment style
commercial events. So exposure WAFF like they've been there this
whole time and it's been something we can count on
and something that's even more importantly good for like the
younger ones coming up, because there's no sort of like
entryway into a lot of these contests is just kind
(32:57):
of the top tier. So WAFF and both Exposure have
been awesome for that, I think.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So Plug to WAFT thir team coming up next year,
A six off is coming, Bills the Fortunes Gay like
a Girl Seattle.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, be there. It's going to be incredible if you
can make it work.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Obviously travel is expensive, but if you can start saving away,
this is a great event to be at.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
It's so incredibly fun.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
As you can see, this is a four and one
logo inspired logo, so a lot of the theme is
going to be throwback. There's any error, which is a
great way that you can express your outfits of Lindsay's
amazing fashion statements.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
That we saw.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Lindsay will give tips after we're done show Lindsay two.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Thousand and three, two thousand and four, are you going
for five? Don't worry about it, I might do three?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Cool? All right, cool, great, great, glad we talked all right, And.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So then we're at Exposure again.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Amelia shout out, Amelia, why we're all here because of
this event night.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
This is from last year's photo. This is from the
second year twenty twelve. Twenty twelve might have been the
first one. Is that thirteen? Okay, that was a second
year in twenty second year. Nora, you're right there.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
What are we celebrating, Nora?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Do you remember that? Do you remember someone asked me
if I was your mom? That was cool.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Anyway, that we were celebrating Alana doing five forty, first
ever five compati first first ever five forty.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Done by Lindsay in two thousand and nine in Paris
at Tony Hawk demo.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
That that's us up out of nowhere, huge massive mick
twist as your first five forty is wild wild choice.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Congrats, you can wear it.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
Thank you for your service, Lindsay.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
For your service.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The important part too, is like, yeah, fourteen years in
every year here for others to join, to keep coming
back to show up. It's that void that's been filled
is and all the other contests that sometimes don't have
funding the next year so they're not there again.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean, I think I think the majority of the
girls in the final today of the Pro Division Bowl
are within the age range to they were born around
the time if not younger than exposure.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
So that's what that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
What'd you guys see today? You were broadcasting all day,
you were you were also.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
Absolutely what was it? Was insane?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Basically, you have a bunch of people scanning the bowl.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
The bowl is this giant hole in the ground that's
covered in concrete.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
It's very smooth, but it's also.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
They're skitting it on purpose.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Have you ever seen James and the Giant Peach?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Any standouts? Any any people that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yvonne from Taiwan.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean, every time I see someone that I haven't
seen skate and I just feel like I'm like a
pretty like versed skate enthusiast.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
So I feel like I've seen it all.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I haven't And so every time I see somebody new
and who is like on another level, I get very excited.
I get very excited to see people like masl come through.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And put it together. I get really excited to see
like everybody.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
I think one of the things I noticed just so
like if we really zoom out and look at things
years and years ago, just the how many kids are
coming from different countries that are all just absolutely killing it.
That's a big shift and something awesome to see perfect.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
So then we're at Paris twenty twenty four Games. Obviously
skateboarding debuty.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
At the Tokyo twenty twenty Games, because it was a
COVID year, there were not people thirty thousand in the audience.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I was there able to experience.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
One of the craziest phenomenons at a skate event of
watching people like do all the normal like sporting chants
that you see for countries, but for skateboarding, and most
of the people in the audience, not knowing anything about.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Skateboarding, get it together.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Out she just boring.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Sorry, look that's the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
I mean, it wasn't boring, but it was like, you know,
and then it is a little boring.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
A hold on, I would love all right, there's nothing
boring about I like exposure better. So the biggest stage
for sports in the world, and all of a sudden, skateboarding,
controversial or not, is here, and I'm watching people who
know nothing about it love see the risk involved, and
(37:40):
they're they're all in on this.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
We dare talk about Nicole Kidd.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But point point is is seeing this pathway that now
is like the sportification side of skateboarding, which is allowing
potential new federations and people to have jobs to work
in skateboarding that are maybe retired out of the industry
and have pathways through college to be skateboarding the joy
of skateboarding. Yes, will it change aspects of it, of course,
(38:08):
But watching this happen and seeing these pathways in these
moments for these athletes was so incredible to witness, and
I'm very excited to see what's gonna go on twenty
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
In La in our own country.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
But honestly, maybe like, how did you become such a meddler?
Speaker 7 (38:25):
What do you mean now?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I mean the theme here I think is that are
you James with a.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Lot of stuff?
Speaker 7 (38:35):
Honestly, I'm just thinking like a skater, Like I'm just like,
all right, well, how can I make this better? Right now?
For whatever's happening, for who's involved, that's it.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's all.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
He's like, women's skateboarding is really weird. Who's this lady
in every photo?
Speaker 7 (38:48):
It's just mean, who is she?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
And what does she do?
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Why does she live in Tasmania? This is looking really
suspect right now.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
No, I think it's good like the skateboard, bringing the
skateboard mentality to business and trying.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Why she have a pet wallaby?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
She's not a pet.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Why does she is rehomed, rescued, rewilded wallaby living on
her property.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
For everyone listening in this is real. Her name is Annie.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Life is an adventure. People try to live it.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Go outside.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
No, honestly, that's that's all it is. It's like, I
didn't have a lot growing up. I didn't even see
any other girl skater selves in my twenties, So for me,
it's I never had that. So I think it's really
in response to that if i'm if, I'm really if
I really think hard about it. But yeah, I also
might be a bit of a masochist because it's a
lot of hard work.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
There is.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
It's a lot of hard work. Yeah, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
No, But I gotta say that the contributions that you
have brought through this, and I think that part of
the reason for kind of talking about this tonight is
just as highlightly that no one is coming to save us,
and that literally it's the people that are working alongsid idea.
It's people like me, me, people like Chris and people
like Amelia that are doing the behind the scenes work
to make it happen.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
Is the reason that there's an exposure.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Yes, I'll also add like all the all the younger
girls out there, like you guys have leverage, Like you
should be working together now, Like it's not it's not
about it's about you. So yeah, start start getting involved
behind the scenes. We need you guys involved, We need.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
You involved, well said.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So yeah, that is our very first ever live taping
of Good Luck with that. We're so happy to have
you all here. This will be a weekly episodic thing
every week, something new to listen to every week.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
We're gonna be Atoma doing this. He will be right
out here.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Please just move here and let's make it happen. S Yeah,
a lot of good guests. It's all gonna be you.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Know, cultural record Kitman, Keith Arapin, They're all coming on
the pod.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
A little bit of group therapy and a lot of
like talking about the past and present and what's happening
in present or what's happening in competition, skateboarding, street parts
and just really letting people have the mic so tune in.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It should be really fun.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm lucky to have all of these wonderful hosts.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Here a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
All right, everyone, that was our very first live taping
of good Luck with That.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Thank you so much Amelia at Exposure and Alan from
La Polo in My Theater for hosting us.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
We had a really good time.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Follow us at good Luck Pod on Instagram, Give us
a like, give us a comment.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
We're there, we're listening, we're watching. We'd love to hear
from you.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
All.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Tune in. We'll be here next week and the week
after that and the week after that. All right, everyone,
good Luck with that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Good Luck with That is an iHeart women's sports production
and partnership with Deep Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 9 (42:01):
We are your hosts Ashley Rayfield, Noura of Askenzello's and
Alex White.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
Our executive producer is Jesse Katz.
Speaker 9 (42:08):
Produced by Tarry Harrison, Daniel Goodman and Grace Views.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Listen to good Luck with That, a skateboarding podcast on iHeartRadio, app,
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