December 13, 2025 • 36 mins
This week, it’s a host-only catch-up that accidentally turns into a State of the Union for women’s progression across everything: skateboarding, surfing, and the weird new reality where the podium is basically a youth movement.
Nora takes us inside Kelly Slater’s Surf Ranch (secret-ish Red Bull project, plus a quick detour into Blue Crush lore and why “Pipeline’s for the f**king girls” still hits. Then Mimi reports back from Kitakyushu, Japan, where the World Skate street stop looked like the future: 12–16-year-olds landing ender-level tricks on command, an East Asia sweep, and a competitive field that’s leveling up faster than anyone can handle.
We also get into the messy middle of Soty. Why social media is getting banned for under-16s in Australia (and what that means for young pros) And yes, we end in Tasmania, looking for a Christmas tree branch and celebrating a rewilded Bennett’s wallaby named Annie, because this is Good Luck With That.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good Luck with That is an iHeart women's sports production
in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. What's up, everybody,
Welcome to good Luck with That, which is a podcast
that explores the endless bounds that is everything around women's
skateboarding and a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome, thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You're looking at the co hosts of the show missing
Alex White today.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm Ashley Rayfeld.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'm Mimi Noop, and I'm Nora of.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Esconcellos and this is good Luck with That.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Wow, we're so good at that, guys, It's like we
were born to do this.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You guys have all been out doing really cool stuff. Nora,
you had some pretty like.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Very exciting things going on in your world the last
couple of weeks. Yeah, it's been fun, many many things.
We were supposed to record this podcast yesterday, but came
home to my modem charging cord severed through from the
teeth of a small fee line that I have tamed
(01:10):
and is mine. Yeah, my cat she had through my
modem power chord. So yesterday was a wash. I tried
went to Cox, got a new cord, busted the whole deal.
So we're here now and other than that, I don't know.
It's like kind of that in between holiday time, it's
(01:32):
like I have the energy, I don't have the energy
to do anything. But I did get to a really
cool kind of bucket list thing last week.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so you're at surf ranch yep. I was casual.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So the surf ranch is Kelly Slater's Wave Poole up
in kind of the middle of the state of California,
and it just creates a perfect wave that you can surf.
And I got to go up there as part of
kind of a secret Red Bull project that's happening.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So we had Katie Simmers, Sierra Kerr.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Caroline Marx, Sky Brown, Aaron Brooks, Molly Picklam, the current
world champion. Molly Picklam was.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There, and yeah, it was just really fun.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It was two days and night of surfing an artificial
wave that is pretty inaccessible.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think, especially if you're a surfer.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And you've considered going out there, you know that it's
a big deal to get there and to get.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Waves, never mind like multiple sessions. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Really really wild and there was a lot of really
inspiring women present, So bucket list for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Norah I'm dying to know what it was like surfing
that wave.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's sick, so there's different wave options, and we were
going back and forth a lot between CT three and
the CT four. The CT three ends with a barrel
and the CT four is more of like a super rippable,
slopey wave that doesn't necessarily barrel, which I really enjoyed
because it was really cold, So I want to say,
(03:17):
we were surfing in three twos and booties and the
air temp was cold, the sun like never came out
the day we had. It's so rippable and it's super fast,
but once you get it, like I got super lucky,
and I got the first wave of two sessions, which
is like the glassiest wave because the entire pool which
(03:38):
spans it's massive, and I wish I could tell you
exactly how massive it was, but it's like multiple sports
field lengths long, and it basically is fully flat like glass.
And then the train starts moving that pushes the wave,
and that's where you get that first wave is literally
(03:59):
like the most perfect wave you can imagine. So by
the end of like a wave, if you're surfing it
all the way, you're fried, like your legs are like toast.
You get to like ride on the back of the ski.
They pick you up and put you in the right spot.
You can like poach waves from people like you know
where to sit, so if like somebody falls, you padd
all you get into a wave. It's surreal and to
(04:22):
see like I think the girls surfing at that level
that close is crazy, Like it's gnarly too, Like I
pulled into a few backhand barrels and you get smoked,
and it's really difficult. Like our first session was at night,
and it's very difficult to like figure out the pacing
and the lighting and all that stuff. And there's the
(04:45):
noise of like the train, like the system. It's just
very surreal, but it's you adapt pretty quick. And what
you and Sky were the skaters then invited skaters, Well, no,
it was more of I came a as kind of
like I think a woman of influence, I would say.
And Sky is part of the initial crew of Red
(05:07):
Bull Surfers, so she is part of the film. But
I mean, like all those girls like Sierra, Sky, Katie,
they all grew up skating. And then there was a
few other like really rad women who were invited. Cas Bird,
who's like an insane photographer in the fashion world in
(05:29):
the New York world, who's.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Just like such a powerhouse.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And Ashlyn Harris and Sophia Bush were there, and like
Ashland's a big fan of surfing and skating, so it
was just really fun. Michelle Rodriguez and to see like
the banter of Michelle talking about Blue Crush, which is
like such a monumental film. So for you out in
(05:59):
the ether's Blue Crush is it changed my life? And
I'm like a little kid from Massachusetts. Like Blue Crash
was about this woman who's a surfer from Oahu on
the North Shore. She's like solely responsible for her sister.
(06:20):
She's like her sister's guardian. She's like working in the
service industry, trying to be a pro surfer, and she's
getting ready to surf pipe, which is arguably like one
of the most dangerous high performance waves in the world.
And basically her character just it's like the trials and tribulations.
But it was like a very empowering film, I thought,
(06:42):
and I felt like it told a story that had
never been told in like more of the women's sports world,
like a little bit. But yeah, Michelle Rodriguez plays one
of the main three characters, and so she's talking to
these young girls who literally like none of them were
born when Blue Crush was even came out, which is
(07:04):
so crazy, and some of them have seen it, some
of them haven't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And it's this really bizarre thing to.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
See Michelle talk about this movie she starred in and
the women didn't even get to serve pipe for like
another twenty something years, Like Pipeline didn't even become an
event for the women in real life for years and years,
like for two decades.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What did Katie say when she won pipe or sirked it?
Walk us through for the listeners and why Katie Singers
had such a breakout moment last.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Year basically like the women were brought back to pipe
in the weirdest way. There was a shark attack at
Honolua Bay that like unfortunately like claimed the life of
this guy on Maui and they were halfway through running
an event and then they took everybody flew them to
Owahu and we're like, we're going to finish this event
at pipe. This is like a handful of years ago.
(07:58):
I think Tyler Wright won and I think it was like, oh,
the girls are totally capable of this, and then once
they opened that door, it was like hello, I mean
between that heat, those those couple of heats that were
like uh, Betty Lou, Sakara Johnson, Katie Simmers, and Mali
(08:18):
Picklam a couple of years ago, the scores were like
off the charge, like you were getting everybody was getting
like eight, seveny, fives, nines, tens, like it was so crazy.
But it was like everyone's known that the girls are
capable of this. So when Katie won, she immediately gets
on the mic and she goes pipelines for the fucking
girls and it was just so great because I mean,
(08:42):
between you and me and the rest of the world
who's listening to this podcast, Katie's kind of the reason
the WSL is even relevant, Like she is like so
vital to what they have going on. And I think
that the women are like low key's so much more
authentic than the men, and I think they're just like
(09:04):
way more diverse, and there's just so I don't know.
I think Katie, especially though, is so she's not doing
any media training, she's not a puppet, like she's very
much herself and she's like the baby goat. So yeah,
(09:25):
we're all pretty lucky to be around while she's raining.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
It's also awesome you've been able to be part of
her life too, Naros as someone older, like, it's great
to have good role models. It's awesome that you guys
have that friendship. And the first time I remember her
really standing out was when she wore her jersey with
your name on it. What was it for, like International
Women's Day one year? I can't remember what. Yeah, that
was wild. It was her International Women's Day WSL.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It was twenty twenty three, and they basically collaborated with
I think every athlete, so all the men, all the
women surfers had to rip the name of a female
who like empowered them, which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I believe there was some guy who wore poppy stars name,
an Australian guy.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I can't remember who he was, but that was really cool.
But yeah, Katie wore Vasconcellos on her jersey and it
was her first year on tour and she's probably like
seventeen at the time, and her first professional CT win
and it was in Portugal, which is pretty cool because
my name is Portuguese and she won in the Motherland
(10:36):
and she won in a Vasconcellos jersey, so very crazy,
Like that was just super super wild. But yeah, that
was her Riki year and feel very honored. I literally
like have the jersey right here. I need to get
like a frame for it. But yeah, she's a spitfire.
(10:57):
She's so funny and like a super old soul but
also just like is very cool and present and she'sn't
trying to be somebody she's not.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Which is really refreshing. Okay, so what's the secret secret project?
When do we get a certain of it?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I honestly like don't even know what to say, Like,
I don't know what I can say. I don't know
what I can't say. It's it's basically a film. Let's
just leave it at that. It's a creative project from
the the geniuses at Red Bull.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
For Surfing, and it's just going to be sick. Well
for the listeners.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We will upload some of the clips or some videos
that from Nora when she was there, because it was
super fun to follow along. And yeah, that is a
place that not everyone gets invited to. It's pretty crazy
to see the intersection of competitive surfing and skating and
the age range and how young it's leaning for females
in both worlds. I mean it's a little older in surfing.
(12:01):
Surfing is so much more established and structured. And when
I say established, yeah, there's just some bigger infrastructure around
the competition side of it totally. So we've seen a
lot more progression within the women's scene, but it sounds
like there's still the same exact fundamental struggles going on
over there. And if you want to be a competitive
surfer versus a free surfer, it's really hard to break
in as a free surfer. As a female. It's like
(12:23):
the only outlet for funding opportunities and having a career
is kind of chasing the tour totally.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I still do not fully understand the QS and the
breakdown of points and stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We gotta have money, you gotta have parents clearly that
have money that are down to like polliatsu travel.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Like alone is.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It like almost makes me nauseous to think about because
it is so much traveled to such unique places and
you're dragging boards around and you need a coach, and
you need like even like having a film, or you
need someone to be like shooting you and you need
to be reviewing your footage.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean it's kind of a precursor though for women
skateboarding because again I hope not, I hope not too,
but because there is this new like added lane to
this skateboarding ecosystem in the world as we know it.
In the competitive side now all of a sudden, Yeah,
there's like these qualifying events, which one just happened in
(13:25):
Japan that mem you were at, So we'll get.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right into that and here in a moment.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But yeah, you have to chase the tour to build
your ranking if your goal is the Olympics or to
just dominate in Street League and World Skate and yeah,
being available to all that travel, it's kind of a
twelve month like commitment, and yeah, you need all the
people facilitating that, Like how do you just afford all that?
So it's pretty wild, especially because a lot of the
(13:51):
girls who are competing are not supported with a lot
of brand and shoe contract support.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Even if you are some of the top tier it
has that support, it doesn't always mean those brands every
year are going to want to support those events, so
then it's not really consistent and skateboarding specifically, like the
Olympic route, it's more of a twenty four month commitment
rather than a twelve because it's a two year qualifying
window to each Olympics. So yeah, it's it's tough for
(14:22):
I think everyone involved, no matter who you are, I think,
and I see that internationally with other countries too.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But yeah, if.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
You're really really young, you probably have a sibling, you
have parents, so all of a sudden you're looking at
three or four plane tickets and hotel rather than just
for one person. So it adds up, adds up very quickly.
So tell us you were in Japan. Yeah, a lot
of folks were there. It was I watched the highlights
of it after it all went down, and it was nuts.
(14:53):
The progression was out of control and it was just
like a full East Asia sweep across the entire scoreboard.
These were like twelve to sixteen year olds is the
average range, and everyone was doing like ender level tricks.
So do you want to tell the listeners what was
the event, why was it important, and what.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Was the purpose of like a lot of the skaters
to be at this particular stop.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, so this this is was one of World Skates
Tour stops for the twenty twenty five season, and yeah,
I believe it was the last stop for this year
in Kita Kyushu, Japan. It was a street event and
it actually does not will not count for qualifying into
LA that that sort of time period won't start until
(15:37):
twenty four months before the LA Olympics, which will probably
be about mid year in twenty six. But this one
was just you know, a continuation on their their non
qualifying season tour. And I think on the in the
terms of progression, this is what happens when the opportunity
(15:57):
is there, and I think, if anything, the Olympics has
helped bring that out for women globally, especially in other
countries that maybe didn't have the support from a marketing
budget to create careers. They're sort of very much contest skaters,
and the progression is all about performance, and yeah, we're
(16:18):
seeing crazy things that have never been done and runs
in and you know, trick attempts. So I think it
was Japan sweeped the entire podium, but we saw some
really interesting new talent come out of Korea and China
as well, totally, So yeah, I think it inspired.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Everyone there, including all of us from the US. So
it was. It was really exciting to see just the
level shoot up like that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Any other takeaways while you were there, there's things that
people would do for like enders now, like filming wise,
that are just like you have to do this in
your contest. I don't know, it's so like unfathomable to me.
But it's also like these kids have started skating to
do this, if that makes sense, Like this is all
(17:03):
they know. So for them, their inspiration is that, or
like for us, it was video parts and a.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Trick, a certain trick at a certain.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Bowl or spot. And yeah, it's very wild.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I'm kind of curious to see if this is twenty
twenty five, what is twenty twenty eight gon'n look like.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I think before qualifying starts in twenty six, they'll
even be newer faces that we don't even know outside
of this current bubble. So I think it's only it's
only going to get crazier. And it's certainly a very
new pathway that's different from sort of, you know, the
filming sort of trajectory Nora talked about. I think that's okay.
I think it's okay to do both. I think it
(17:44):
gets tough for some of the kids that are trying
to do both at the same time, because then you
have to manage how you spend your time and everything else.
But yeah, I expect to see many many new younger.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Faces that we've never heard of before. I would make
a bet and say that on the women's side of things,
in park and street or one or the other, that
there is somebody who's going to podium that we have
barely heard about yet. There's somebody either in park or
either in street who will get first, second, or third,
(18:15):
and they're not even on the radar.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I think your BET's going to be right. Stay tuned,
we're gonna be clocking this bet. Yeah. I also kind
of want to.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Know, like, at this level of athletic like acceleration for
these young skaters, what does that mean for their career
and the stamina of their career Because the peak performance
is going up so high at like such like not
just one notch, it's going up like five notches at
a time, Like how do you sustain that? I mean,
hay Leal has like done such a great job at
(18:46):
being like such a dominating force and she's sustained her
career from a young age to now and still just
dominate it as we saw her four street links back
to back.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Sweep like unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So she's been able to do that, but it's going
to be really hard for these like bright young kids
who get on the podium right now to maintain that
for more than a year, for more than six months,
Like can they do that for five years to a decade?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, it should be interesting to see. It's a really
good point. I mean it could turn into almost how
athletes and gymnastics it's like one they have one quad
and then they're out the other side. Many times aside
from someone Biles, but yeah, I think when the progressions
that's that high, you know, with the potentially get injured
(19:32):
and everything else, it's it's definitely a heated erase.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's so crazy and I'm so happy to not be involved.
I'm just gonna watch from my couch do a little
celebrations for all the people who do insane things that
I can't wrap my dumb head around and.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Call it a day. Go do a pivot faky somewhere. Ooh,
I just got an invite to the surfer ranch.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
See uh right now, and you're Lane Nora Skater of
the year.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
'tis the season?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I was just gonna try to riff on you want
to talk about you want to talk about Sody?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You want to talk about Sody? Yeah, Poe Pinson Fabby
on a Delfino.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You heard it here, folks. You had faby on a
couple We had Fabby on a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What did we say? What don't we say? Look at
her now? Contender? Contender gnarly? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I feel like every year, they, you know, drop the
names and they some names.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is it gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
No, we gotta that's okay, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We wanted to just acknowledge this so we don't get
in trouble or called out anymore. Uh so we'll throw
these courtesy names. Who Obviously, Poe Pinson has such an
amazing year, well deserved turn pro represented to her entire
country at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I was tripping on on on our little doggie, Georgia Martin.
And then did she get nominated last year?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's a great question, and I feel like she didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I was like, are we okay? What are your thoughts on?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I mean, I'm just literally conceptualizing this isn't a real thing.
But what are your thoughts on if there was like
a men sody and a women's SODI rather than just
lumping everyone in one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I mean, Thrasher would never do that. That would make sense,
Like that would be great. I think there's room for that.
What is it going to take for Thrasher and a
female to get Scared of the Year? I bet my
prediction is the year Howisi Leel gets her signature shoe,
which she will get, She'll get a cover and they'll
give it to her. And will that be representative of
(21:55):
skate of the ear for all the amazing women that
have been passed over? No, and it will be cool
for her well deserved. But like you know, Alissa, Marissa Alexis,
these people that were just absolute goats that really when
you break down the qualifying things that need to be
Scared of the Year, they've done them. So yeah, you know,
(22:17):
we love that Fobby and Poe were highlighted. I think
that they both had incredible years. Could call Nora on
the Georgia Martin being left out of the conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it happened last year too, and I was like,
the fuck are we doing? But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm just at that point in my life where there's
like things I can't control, and there's also things that
I'm like, I don't know if I want to even
have an opinion on this, Like I've surrendered to not
having an opinion because then I'm like, I don't know
if we need our own lane. But it's just hard.
I think it's like, I don't know, I see both
(22:52):
sides to it. I'd say it's hard on the men's
side too.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh hell yeah, guys are there. It's like, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Love to see Tom Whinn to be honest, that would
that would be my personal vote for this year. But
like it's it's hard on their side too. It's just
such a there's just so little to go around as
sort of the theme well.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And there's also like a lot of who is your
shoe sponsor support and able to line up a lot
of funding to do the rollout.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Then there's a good.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Argument like is this even good for skateboarding when everybody
saves their video parts and to the very last bit
of the year and just it's one of the other
to the point where you forget what even happened, and
it kind of loses the significance of those video parts
like it just just it all blends into one. And
if you have an amazing shoe partner that can help
pay for the right cadence and drops and moments to
(23:44):
get you going for the wrap up of twenty twenty five,
you you're in good standing with Thrasher. You know, there's
a lot of pay to play behind all of it.
At the end of the day, it is what the
skater does, that's what does the talking. But when you
have the support to do the talking louder, it helps.
And yeah, I would love to see a shakeup in it.
I don't it's it's amazing to see people like each
(24:06):
year the bar gets set higher and higher.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So no doubt it's an incredible feat.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But yeah, when it comes to Wind's skape brains really
easy to tune out because it's just we're not taken
seriously in the conversation. We never have been. We you know,
it's hard to say if we ever will be And Nora,
I hear you, like, it's hard to say should there
be one, should we have our own, or should it
be blended? And just there'll be an equal opportunity in
it and I.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Just I just people, what if it was like a
Hunger Games or like you had to put like your
best video part out and then you had to like
fight to the death and like Lens Skater survived, it
would just be like more fair because anybody could, like
Chloe cavell is like making bombs somewhere and like we
didn't even know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I'm just gonna add that that I think is my
opinion as it's not fair for anyone. It's like saying,
pick the best artists in the entire world to ever live.
That's not possible.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, there's not I agree.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Hey, you said Georgia wasn't acknowledge live just got that
sick cover. There's a lot of folks who've put out
some amazing things that I think have been overlooked, and
you know, the media moves quick, so maybe we could
highlight some of those forgotten moments in twenty five.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We'll see. Stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But speaking of Australia, Mami, there's some interesting things going
on that are affecting the entire country. For anyone sixteen
years and younger, they're being asked to get not being
asked they're now booted off the apps, the social media
ones like Instagram and YouTube, and I think it was TikTok.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It was a long list.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, it's really just all sort of unfolding in real time.
But yeah, I think it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It was the date that it sort of kicked off.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And it's either seven or nine different platforms that are
included in that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I read through guidelines that.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
The Australian Institute of Sport had circulated around, which we
call AIS here. But yeah, I think it's up to
the actual apps and platforms to police it. So that's
a bit unclear about how they're all going to do
that because they're all different. So but yeah, I think
Chloe posted something maybe a week or two ago, just
(26:11):
kind of saying, hey see you guys in a few
months after.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm sixteen, And I.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Think it is something that they're viewing on a case
by case basis for the kids that do have like
a big following or have brand commitment contractual brand commitment.
I do think they're reviewing those to sort of determine
if they can work around that. But for the most part,
it's just like, yeah, being shut down until you turn sixteen.
(26:38):
From the sounds of it, sounds nice. I think here
for it totally, but it is it would be really
interesting to see for kids that, like you said, have
brand deals and contractual obligations and Nora, you know, like
part of your job is being visible in the social media.
It's literally in your contract.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's a big part of the platform and the experience
being a professional skateboarder. And these young kids that are
on the competition scene like klokovel and Evers the True
that's their main platform too. I now showcase what's going on,
So what is that going to mean, especially when we
see an age range of like twelve year olds like
hitting the podium and becoming rising stars. Kind of curious
(27:19):
to see how this is going to affect their career
or not. I think a break for kids to not
be on social media is excellent, So I'm here for it,
But it does have a lot of like unanswered questions. Yeah,
I think I think it'll be interesting to see how
it pans out. I think the concept is a good one.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Just me personally, I think it's social media is hard
to manage, even for adults, you know, emotionally, and people
get addicted to it and everything else. But I think, yeah,
for kids that don't have their brains developed to have
to navigate that is hectic.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So the concept in and of itself is really good.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I just in terms of how it plays out, it'll
be interesting because, yeah, these the younger kids can't really
build a brand which then enables them to get sponsors
and sort of leverage off of the hard work to
be able to go and do these things and have
a career. So that's the only part that's a little
murky for me. I don't know how it'll work, especially
for you know, the fourteen fifty year olds or one thing,
(28:10):
but like eleven twelve and all of a sudden, they're
starting to perform or go film parts that are really
awesome and they can't even share them or benefit off
of growing their audience. Yeah, I'm not sure how that'll translate.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I think it's really crazy because, yeah, I'm thirty
three and I use it for my work and it's
a massive part of my job.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
But I'm a thirty three year old.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Who had a childhood without social media, and like all
I had in high school was all I had in
high school is Facebook, and it was like, really limited
access in a phone that like I could text with
limited access and like that was overwhelming. You know, I
don't really like wish it on anybody.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Me me. You do contracts like you see inside athletes contracts,
like part of the deal is the social media outlet
and obligations for the deliverables, Like how could this affect
somebody's eligibility to get a better contract?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
To be honest, some deals are that's all it is,
is like we're asking you to post this X amount
of times for the next twelve months and it pays
really well and it's just a short term, you know,
deal to promote a brand. So those ones are completely
off the table. But yeah, if you look at something
like a footwear contractor you know, peril, it's it's definitely
(29:29):
in there. You know, you're you're it's linked to your
your video and your photos that you're sort of counted
on to deliver over a period of time and you're
not going to just not talk about that on social media.
If you've gone and you know, work on a film
project or video project and have clips, like part of
getting hits on that is sharing it so you know,
(29:52):
to drive people to YouTube or wherever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It lives.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
It's yeah, it's it's going to be very interesting to
see how kids navigate that. I think there's other countries
that want to fall suit.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean America won unfortunately, No, that will be last last.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, it'd be amazing to see.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And Nora, you've you've clearly called out like this shouldn't
be the way of a sixteen year old's obligations or
thirteen year olds in the first place. And to even
that last point that you answered, MEMI like, maybe we
should reevaluate yeah, doing deals with people that young and
just again, like what that does to their development and
their like childhood essentially.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I've been really excited to see the resurgence of Missugu's
Instagram and seeing Missugu rip over in Japan because I
was worried about that kid for a minute.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
And now I haven't seen Oh I haven't seen Massugu.
I haven't seen anything on Instagram, but I heard that
Yeah she was back. Yeah, she seems happy. She seems
just being like she's still a kid, she's still ripping.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It seems like there's a bit.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
More life personality, you know, and like just seems wholesome
and good The.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Reason that Masugu is so instrumental in women's skateboarding, specifically
competitive skateboarding, is at the twenty nineteen Due Tour, Masugu
came out of nowhere from Japan doing like face high
five forties and her run in park and that had
not been happening by anyone else at that time, so
it just it was like the starting gun for progression.
(31:27):
That's where it started, like very clearly. I mean we
all had like goosebumps watching it, and yeah, it was
favored to win the Tokyo Olympics, and you know, it
just wasn't her day.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I think her knee was hurt in practice, she hit
her knee pretty hard, but amazing skateboarder that sort of
you know, just went dark after that. We didn't know
whatever happened to her, and then just now recently has resurfaced.
So it's awesome to hear that. Twenty years ago, I
remember thinking, if we had opportunity to go and consistently compete,
(32:04):
whether it's in parkerber Street, whatever, like, we will see
the progression and the pool needed to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It was just so small for so long.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
So I think, yeah, I just go back to that's
the one good thing from the Olympics is like being
able to see these federations around the world all of
a sudden have a pathway for people that are in
remote parts of the world that aren't around the industry,
and then boom, the progression has happened. So it's just, yeah,
it's been really wild to see. But we've been saying
this for a long time, so I guess it's yeah,
(32:33):
it's the good.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Part of it all. It's the good part of it all.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Don't roll away, We'll be right back, Norah.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Do you got anything going on for the rest of
your weeks leading up to Christmas?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What's on the horizon?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I am going up to la this week, just doing
some cute Adidas stuff, Gonna roll around the skate parks,
gonna eat some food, have some drinks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Going home to the.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
East Coast for the holidays, which I have not done
in literal years, maybe a decade. My boo, my brother
and I are all flying three seats next to each
other back to Boston, and yeah, I gotta meet the fam.
So you know, I'll give you guys more details as
(33:34):
it unfolds. But yeah, I'm a little smitten over here,
so I'm gonna just keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Do you know what we're doing here in Tasmania for Christmas?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
No, we currently don't have a tree, and the ones
that they sell here sat really fast because you don't
really have those types of trees here, So we basically
have to pretty much when we're done with this today,
I have to go drive around and find like a
Charlie Brown Christmas tree or branch to like chopped down
to then put up in the living rooms.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's great, a little Santa hat for Annie.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Annie's been gone for a few days, so we'll see
if she shows up for Christmas. Last year she was
eating ribbons off the tree, so we'll see what she
does this year.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Do you think she's on like a little like love Bender.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I think she's definitely out hopping around with boy Wallaby's
somewhere on the hill or two behind our house.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm pretty sure. That's great. That's what we want for her.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
We want her to end up wildlife. Our good luck
with that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Listeners.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Just for those that have just joined us, Annie is
a you tell us maybe who Annie is in your life.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Annie is an orphaned Bennett's Wallaby her her mother got
hit by a car, which is very common here. Tasmania
is the roag kill capital of the world. And we
got Annie and we we live in a property with
putting a land that's sort of her sort of habitat.
So we've rewilded her here at home and she's thriving
and sassy and hopping around somewhere right now. But yeah,
(35:06):
so it's been an exciting adventure with her such a trip.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
If we're lucky, we'll get to post an image of Annie.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
No promise is made, but if we can, you guys
will get to see the real proof. Okay, So Christmas
and Tasmania, it's coming together. You're back home. No travel
coming up. I think there's a lot of like slowdown
in general with what's happening. Everyone's kind of going offline
these next two weeks, so, you know, just really starting
to soak in the end of your feelings, you know whatever.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
That is?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That was another episode of good Luck with That and
you can follow us on at good Luck Pod on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, just stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
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Speaker 7 (35:56):
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Speaker 1 (36:07):
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Welcome to good Luck with That, which is a podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome, thanks for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You're looking at the co hosts of the show missing
Alex White today.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm Ashley Rayfeld.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'm Mimi Noop, and I'm Nora of.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Esconcellos and this is good Luck with That.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Wow, we're so good at that, guys, It's like we
were born to do this.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You guys have all been out doing really cool stuff. Nora,
you had some pretty like.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Very exciting things going on in your world the last
couple of weeks. Yeah, it's been fun, many many things.
We were supposed to record this podcast yesterday, but came
home to my modem charging cord severed through from the
teeth of a small fee line that I have tamed
(01:10):
and is mine. Yeah, my cat she had through my
modem power chord. So yesterday was a wash. I tried
went to Cox, got a new cord, busted the whole deal.
So we're here now and other than that, I don't know.
It's like kind of that in between holiday time, it's
(01:32):
like I have the energy, I don't have the energy
to do anything. But I did get to a really
cool kind of bucket list thing last week.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, so you're at surf ranch yep. I was casual.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So the surf ranch is Kelly Slater's Wave Poole up
in kind of the middle of the state of California,
and it just creates a perfect wave that you can surf.
And I got to go up there as part of
kind of a secret Red Bull project that's happening.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So we had Katie Simmers, Sierra Kerr.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Caroline Marx, Sky Brown, Aaron Brooks, Molly Picklam, the current
world champion. Molly Picklam was.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There, and yeah, it was just really fun.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It was two days and night of surfing an artificial
wave that is pretty inaccessible.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think, especially if you're a surfer.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And you've considered going out there, you know that it's
a big deal to get there and to get.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Waves, never mind like multiple sessions. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Really really wild and there was a lot of really
inspiring women present, So bucket list for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Norah I'm dying to know what it was like surfing
that wave.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's sick, so there's different wave options, and we were
going back and forth a lot between CT three and
the CT four. The CT three ends with a barrel
and the CT four is more of like a super rippable,
slopey wave that doesn't necessarily barrel, which I really enjoyed
because it was really cold, So I want to say,
(03:17):
we were surfing in three twos and booties and the
air temp was cold, the sun like never came out
the day we had. It's so rippable and it's super fast,
but once you get it, like I got super lucky,
and I got the first wave of two sessions, which
is like the glassiest wave because the entire pool which
(03:38):
spans it's massive, and I wish I could tell you
exactly how massive it was, but it's like multiple sports
field lengths long, and it basically is fully flat like glass.
And then the train starts moving that pushes the wave,
and that's where you get that first wave is literally
(03:59):
like the most perfect wave you can imagine. So by
the end of like a wave, if you're surfing it
all the way, you're fried, like your legs are like toast.
You get to like ride on the back of the ski.
They pick you up and put you in the right spot.
You can like poach waves from people like you know
where to sit, so if like somebody falls, you padd
all you get into a wave. It's surreal and to
(04:22):
see like I think the girls surfing at that level
that close is crazy, Like it's gnarly too, Like I
pulled into a few backhand barrels and you get smoked,
and it's really difficult. Like our first session was at night,
and it's very difficult to like figure out the pacing
and the lighting and all that stuff. And there's the
(04:45):
noise of like the train, like the system. It's just
very surreal, but it's you adapt pretty quick. And what
you and Sky were the skaters then invited skaters, Well, no,
it was more of I came a as kind of
like I think a woman of influence, I would say.
And Sky is part of the initial crew of Red
(05:07):
Bull Surfers, so she is part of the film. But
I mean, like all those girls like Sierra, Sky, Katie,
they all grew up skating. And then there was a
few other like really rad women who were invited. Cas Bird,
who's like an insane photographer in the fashion world in
(05:29):
the New York world, who's.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Just like such a powerhouse.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And Ashlyn Harris and Sophia Bush were there, and like
Ashland's a big fan of surfing and skating, so it
was just really fun. Michelle Rodriguez and to see like
the banter of Michelle talking about Blue Crush, which is
like such a monumental film. So for you out in
(05:59):
the ether's Blue Crush is it changed my life? And
I'm like a little kid from Massachusetts. Like Blue Crash
was about this woman who's a surfer from Oahu on
the North Shore. She's like solely responsible for her sister.
(06:20):
She's like her sister's guardian. She's like working in the
service industry, trying to be a pro surfer, and she's
getting ready to surf pipe, which is arguably like one
of the most dangerous high performance waves in the world.
And basically her character just it's like the trials and tribulations.
But it was like a very empowering film, I thought,
(06:42):
and I felt like it told a story that had
never been told in like more of the women's sports world,
like a little bit. But yeah, Michelle Rodriguez plays one
of the main three characters, and so she's talking to
these young girls who literally like none of them were
born when Blue Crush was even came out, which is
(07:04):
so crazy, and some of them have seen it, some
of them haven't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And it's this really bizarre thing to.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
See Michelle talk about this movie she starred in and
the women didn't even get to serve pipe for like
another twenty something years, Like Pipeline didn't even become an
event for the women in real life for years and years,
like for two decades.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What did Katie say when she won pipe or sirked it?
Walk us through for the listeners and why Katie Singers
had such a breakout moment last.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Year basically like the women were brought back to pipe
in the weirdest way. There was a shark attack at
Honolua Bay that like unfortunately like claimed the life of
this guy on Maui and they were halfway through running
an event and then they took everybody flew them to
Owahu and we're like, we're going to finish this event
at pipe. This is like a handful of years ago.
(07:58):
I think Tyler Wright won and I think it was like, oh,
the girls are totally capable of this, and then once
they opened that door, it was like hello, I mean
between that heat, those those couple of heats that were
like uh, Betty Lou, Sakara Johnson, Katie Simmers, and Mali
(08:18):
Picklam a couple of years ago, the scores were like
off the charge, like you were getting everybody was getting
like eight, seveny, fives, nines, tens, like it was so crazy.
But it was like everyone's known that the girls are
capable of this. So when Katie won, she immediately gets
on the mic and she goes pipelines for the fucking
girls and it was just so great because I mean,
(08:42):
between you and me and the rest of the world
who's listening to this podcast, Katie's kind of the reason
the WSL is even relevant, Like she is like so
vital to what they have going on. And I think
that the women are like low key's so much more
authentic than the men, and I think they're just like
(09:04):
way more diverse, and there's just so I don't know.
I think Katie, especially though, is so she's not doing
any media training, she's not a puppet, like she's very
much herself and she's like the baby goat. So yeah,
(09:25):
we're all pretty lucky to be around while she's raining.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
It's also awesome you've been able to be part of
her life too, Naros as someone older, like, it's great
to have good role models. It's awesome that you guys
have that friendship. And the first time I remember her
really standing out was when she wore her jersey with
your name on it. What was it for, like International
Women's Day one year? I can't remember what. Yeah, that
was wild. It was her International Women's Day WSL.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It was twenty twenty three, and they basically collaborated with
I think every athlete, so all the men, all the
women surfers had to rip the name of a female
who like empowered them, which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I believe there was some guy who wore poppy stars name,
an Australian guy.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I can't remember who he was, but that was really cool.
But yeah, Katie wore Vasconcellos on her jersey and it
was her first year on tour and she's probably like
seventeen at the time, and her first professional CT win
and it was in Portugal, which is pretty cool because
my name is Portuguese and she won in the Motherland
(10:36):
and she won in a Vasconcellos jersey, so very crazy,
Like that was just super super wild. But yeah, that
was her Riki year and feel very honored. I literally
like have the jersey right here. I need to get
like a frame for it. But yeah, she's a spitfire.
(10:57):
She's so funny and like a super old soul but
also just like is very cool and present and she'sn't
trying to be somebody she's not.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Which is really refreshing. Okay, so what's the secret secret project?
When do we get a certain of it?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I honestly like don't even know what to say, Like,
I don't know what I can say. I don't know
what I can't say. It's it's basically a film. Let's
just leave it at that. It's a creative project from
the the geniuses at Red Bull.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
For Surfing, and it's just going to be sick. Well
for the listeners.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We will upload some of the clips or some videos
that from Nora when she was there, because it was
super fun to follow along. And yeah, that is a
place that not everyone gets invited to. It's pretty crazy
to see the intersection of competitive surfing and skating and
the age range and how young it's leaning for females
in both worlds. I mean it's a little older in surfing.
(12:01):
Surfing is so much more established and structured. And when
I say established, yeah, there's just some bigger infrastructure around
the competition side of it totally. So we've seen a
lot more progression within the women's scene, but it sounds
like there's still the same exact fundamental struggles going on
over there. And if you want to be a competitive
surfer versus a free surfer, it's really hard to break
in as a free surfer. As a female. It's like
(12:23):
the only outlet for funding opportunities and having a career
is kind of chasing the tour totally.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I still do not fully understand the QS and the
breakdown of points and stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We gotta have money, you gotta have parents clearly that
have money that are down to like polliatsu travel.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Like alone is.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It like almost makes me nauseous to think about because
it is so much traveled to such unique places and
you're dragging boards around and you need a coach, and
you need like even like having a film, or you
need someone to be like shooting you and you need
to be reviewing your footage.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I mean it's kind of a precursor though for women
skateboarding because again I hope not, I hope not too,
but because there is this new like added lane to
this skateboarding ecosystem in the world as we know it.
In the competitive side now all of a sudden, Yeah,
there's like these qualifying events, which one just happened in
(13:25):
Japan that mem you were at, So we'll get.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right into that and here in a moment.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But yeah, you have to chase the tour to build
your ranking if your goal is the Olympics or to
just dominate in Street League and World Skate and yeah,
being available to all that travel, it's kind of a
twelve month like commitment, and yeah, you need all the
people facilitating that, Like how do you just afford all that?
So it's pretty wild, especially because a lot of the
(13:51):
girls who are competing are not supported with a lot
of brand and shoe contract support.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Even if you are some of the top tier it
has that support, it doesn't always mean those brands every
year are going to want to support those events, so
then it's not really consistent and skateboarding specifically, like the
Olympic route, it's more of a twenty four month commitment
rather than a twelve because it's a two year qualifying
window to each Olympics. So yeah, it's it's tough for
(14:22):
I think everyone involved, no matter who you are, I think,
and I see that internationally with other countries too.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But yeah, if.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
You're really really young, you probably have a sibling, you
have parents, so all of a sudden you're looking at
three or four plane tickets and hotel rather than just
for one person. So it adds up, adds up very quickly.
So tell us you were in Japan. Yeah, a lot
of folks were there. It was I watched the highlights
of it after it all went down, and it was nuts.
(14:53):
The progression was out of control and it was just
like a full East Asia sweep across the entire scoreboard.
These were like twelve to sixteen year olds is the
average range, and everyone was doing like ender level tricks.
So do you want to tell the listeners what was
the event, why was it important, and what.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Was the purpose of like a lot of the skaters
to be at this particular stop.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, so this this is was one of World Skates
Tour stops for the twenty twenty five season, and yeah,
I believe it was the last stop for this year
in Kita Kyushu, Japan. It was a street event and
it actually does not will not count for qualifying into
LA that that sort of time period won't start until
(15:37):
twenty four months before the LA Olympics, which will probably
be about mid year in twenty six. But this one
was just you know, a continuation on their their non
qualifying season tour. And I think on the in the
terms of progression, this is what happens when the opportunity
(15:57):
is there, and I think, if anything, the Olympics has
helped bring that out for women globally, especially in other
countries that maybe didn't have the support from a marketing
budget to create careers. They're sort of very much contest skaters,
and the progression is all about performance, and yeah, we're
(16:18):
seeing crazy things that have never been done and runs
in and you know, trick attempts. So I think it
was Japan sweeped the entire podium, but we saw some
really interesting new talent come out of Korea and China
as well, totally, So yeah, I think it inspired.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Everyone there, including all of us from the US. So
it was. It was really exciting to see just the
level shoot up like that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Any other takeaways while you were there, there's things that
people would do for like enders now, like filming wise,
that are just like you have to do this in
your contest. I don't know, it's so like unfathomable to me.
But it's also like these kids have started skating to
do this, if that makes sense, Like this is all
(17:03):
they know. So for them, their inspiration is that, or
like for us, it was video parts and a.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Trick, a certain trick at a certain.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Bowl or spot. And yeah, it's very wild.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I'm kind of curious to see if this is twenty
twenty five, what is twenty twenty eight gon'n look like.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I think before qualifying starts in twenty six, they'll
even be newer faces that we don't even know outside
of this current bubble. So I think it's only it's
only going to get crazier. And it's certainly a very
new pathway that's different from sort of, you know, the
filming sort of trajectory Nora talked about. I think that's okay.
I think it's okay to do both. I think it
(17:44):
gets tough for some of the kids that are trying
to do both at the same time, because then you
have to manage how you spend your time and everything else.
But yeah, I expect to see many many new younger.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Faces that we've never heard of before. I would make
a bet and say that on the women's side of things,
in park and street or one or the other, that
there is somebody who's going to podium that we have
barely heard about yet. There's somebody either in park or
either in street who will get first, second, or third,
(18:15):
and they're not even on the radar.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I think your BET's going to be right. Stay tuned,
we're gonna be clocking this bet. Yeah. I also kind
of want to.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Know, like, at this level of athletic like acceleration for
these young skaters, what does that mean for their career
and the stamina of their career Because the peak performance
is going up so high at like such like not
just one notch, it's going up like five notches at
a time, Like how do you sustain that? I mean,
hay Leal has like done such a great job at
(18:46):
being like such a dominating force and she's sustained her
career from a young age to now and still just
dominate it as we saw her four street links back
to back.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Sweep like unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So she's been able to do that, but it's going
to be really hard for these like bright young kids
who get on the podium right now to maintain that
for more than a year, for more than six months,
Like can they do that for five years to a decade?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, it should be interesting to see. It's a really
good point. I mean it could turn into almost how
athletes and gymnastics it's like one they have one quad
and then they're out the other side. Many times aside
from someone Biles, but yeah, I think when the progressions
that's that high, you know, with the potentially get injured
(19:32):
and everything else, it's it's definitely a heated erase.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's so crazy and I'm so happy to not be involved.
I'm just gonna watch from my couch do a little
celebrations for all the people who do insane things that
I can't wrap my dumb head around and.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Call it a day. Go do a pivot faky somewhere. Ooh,
I just got an invite to the surfer ranch.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
See uh right now, and you're Lane Nora Skater of
the year.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
'tis the season?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I was just gonna try to riff on you want
to talk about you want to talk about Sody?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You want to talk about Sody? Yeah, Poe Pinson Fabby
on a Delfino.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You heard it here, folks. You had faby on a
couple We had Fabby on a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What did we say? What don't we say? Look at
her now? Contender? Contender gnarly? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I feel like every year, they, you know, drop the
names and they some names.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is it gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
No, we gotta that's okay, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We wanted to just acknowledge this so we don't get
in trouble or called out anymore. Uh so we'll throw
these courtesy names. Who Obviously, Poe Pinson has such an
amazing year, well deserved turn pro represented to her entire
country at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I was tripping on on on our little doggie, Georgia Martin.
And then did she get nominated last year?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That's a great question, and I feel like she didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I was like, are we okay? What are your thoughts on?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
I mean, I'm just literally conceptualizing this isn't a real thing.
But what are your thoughts on if there was like
a men sody and a women's SODI rather than just
lumping everyone in one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I mean, Thrasher would never do that. That would make sense,
Like that would be great. I think there's room for that.
What is it going to take for Thrasher and a
female to get Scared of the Year? I bet my
prediction is the year Howisi Leel gets her signature shoe,
which she will get, She'll get a cover and they'll
give it to her. And will that be representative of
(21:55):
skate of the ear for all the amazing women that
have been passed over? No, and it will be cool
for her well deserved. But like you know, Alissa, Marissa Alexis,
these people that were just absolute goats that really when
you break down the qualifying things that need to be
Scared of the Year, they've done them. So yeah, you know,
(22:17):
we love that Fobby and Poe were highlighted. I think
that they both had incredible years. Could call Nora on
the Georgia Martin being left out of the conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it happened last year too, and I was like,
the fuck are we doing? But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm just at that point in my life where there's
like things I can't control, and there's also things that
I'm like, I don't know if I want to even
have an opinion on this, Like I've surrendered to not
having an opinion because then I'm like, I don't know
if we need our own lane. But it's just hard.
I think it's like, I don't know, I see both
(22:52):
sides to it. I'd say it's hard on the men's
side too.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh hell yeah, guys are there. It's like, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Love to see Tom Whinn to be honest, that would
that would be my personal vote for this year. But
like it's it's hard on their side too. It's just
such a there's just so little to go around as
sort of the theme well.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And there's also like a lot of who is your
shoe sponsor support and able to line up a lot
of funding to do the rollout.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Then there's a good.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Argument like is this even good for skateboarding when everybody
saves their video parts and to the very last bit
of the year and just it's one of the other
to the point where you forget what even happened, and
it kind of loses the significance of those video parts
like it just just it all blends into one. And
if you have an amazing shoe partner that can help
pay for the right cadence and drops and moments to
(23:44):
get you going for the wrap up of twenty twenty five,
you you're in good standing with Thrasher. You know, there's
a lot of pay to play behind all of it.
At the end of the day, it is what the
skater does, that's what does the talking. But when you
have the support to do the talking louder, it helps.
And yeah, I would love to see a shakeup in it.
I don't it's it's amazing to see people like each
(24:06):
year the bar gets set higher and higher.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So no doubt it's an incredible feat.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But yeah, when it comes to Wind's skape brains really
easy to tune out because it's just we're not taken
seriously in the conversation. We never have been. We you know,
it's hard to say if we ever will be And Nora,
I hear you, like, it's hard to say should there
be one, should we have our own, or should it
be blended? And just there'll be an equal opportunity in
it and I.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Just I just people, what if it was like a
Hunger Games or like you had to put like your
best video part out and then you had to like
fight to the death and like Lens Skater survived, it
would just be like more fair because anybody could, like
Chloe cavell is like making bombs somewhere and like we
didn't even know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I'm just gonna add that that I think is my
opinion as it's not fair for anyone. It's like saying,
pick the best artists in the entire world to ever live.
That's not possible.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, there's not I agree.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Hey, you said Georgia wasn't acknowledge live just got that
sick cover. There's a lot of folks who've put out
some amazing things that I think have been overlooked, and
you know, the media moves quick, so maybe we could
highlight some of those forgotten moments in twenty five.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We'll see. Stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But speaking of Australia, Mami, there's some interesting things going
on that are affecting the entire country. For anyone sixteen
years and younger, they're being asked to get not being
asked they're now booted off the apps, the social media
ones like Instagram and YouTube, and I think it was TikTok.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It was a long list.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, it's really just all sort of unfolding in real time.
But yeah, I think it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It was the date that it sort of kicked off.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And it's either seven or nine different platforms that are
included in that.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I read through guidelines that.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
The Australian Institute of Sport had circulated around, which we
call AIS here. But yeah, I think it's up to
the actual apps and platforms to police it. So that's
a bit unclear about how they're all going to do
that because they're all different. So but yeah, I think
Chloe posted something maybe a week or two ago, just
(26:11):
kind of saying, hey see you guys in a few
months after.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm sixteen, And I.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Think it is something that they're viewing on a case
by case basis for the kids that do have like
a big following or have brand commitment contractual brand commitment.
I do think they're reviewing those to sort of determine
if they can work around that. But for the most part,
it's just like, yeah, being shut down until you turn sixteen.
(26:38):
From the sounds of it, sounds nice. I think here
for it totally, but it is it would be really
interesting to see for kids that, like you said, have
brand deals and contractual obligations and Nora, you know, like
part of your job is being visible in the social media.
It's literally in your contract.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's a big part of the platform and the experience
being a professional skateboarder. And these young kids that are
on the competition scene like klokovel and Evers the True
that's their main platform too. I now showcase what's going on,
So what is that going to mean, especially when we
see an age range of like twelve year olds like
hitting the podium and becoming rising stars. Kind of curious
(27:19):
to see how this is going to affect their career
or not. I think a break for kids to not
be on social media is excellent, So I'm here for it,
But it does have a lot of like unanswered questions. Yeah,
I think I think it'll be interesting to see how
it pans out. I think the concept is a good one.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Just me personally, I think it's social media is hard
to manage, even for adults, you know, emotionally, and people
get addicted to it and everything else. But I think, yeah,
for kids that don't have their brains developed to have
to navigate that is hectic.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So the concept in and of itself is really good.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
I just in terms of how it plays out, it'll
be interesting because, yeah, these the younger kids can't really
build a brand which then enables them to get sponsors
and sort of leverage off of the hard work to
be able to go and do these things and have
a career. So that's the only part that's a little
murky for me. I don't know how it'll work, especially
for you know, the fourteen fifty year olds or one thing,
(28:10):
but like eleven twelve and all of a sudden, they're
starting to perform or go film parts that are really
awesome and they can't even share them or benefit off
of growing their audience. Yeah, I'm not sure how that'll translate.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I think it's really crazy because, yeah, I'm thirty
three and I use it for my work and it's
a massive part of my job.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
But I'm a thirty three year old.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Who had a childhood without social media, and like all
I had in high school was all I had in
high school is Facebook, and it was like, really limited
access in a phone that like I could text with
limited access and like that was overwhelming. You know, I
don't really like wish it on anybody.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Me me. You do contracts like you see inside athletes contracts,
like part of the deal is the social media outlet
and obligations for the deliverables, Like how could this affect
somebody's eligibility to get a better contract?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
To be honest, some deals are that's all it is,
is like we're asking you to post this X amount
of times for the next twelve months and it pays
really well and it's just a short term, you know,
deal to promote a brand. So those ones are completely
off the table. But yeah, if you look at something
like a footwear contractor you know, peril, it's it's definitely
(29:29):
in there. You know, you're you're it's linked to your
your video and your photos that you're sort of counted
on to deliver over a period of time and you're
not going to just not talk about that on social media.
If you've gone and you know, work on a film
project or video project and have clips, like part of
getting hits on that is sharing it so you know,
(29:52):
to drive people to YouTube or wherever.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It lives.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
It's yeah, it's it's going to be very interesting to
see how kids navigate that. I think there's other countries
that want to fall suit.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, there's a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean America won unfortunately, No, that will be last last.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, it'd be amazing to see.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And Nora, you've you've clearly called out like this shouldn't
be the way of a sixteen year old's obligations or
thirteen year olds in the first place. And to even
that last point that you answered, MEMI like, maybe we
should reevaluate yeah, doing deals with people that young and
just again, like what that does to their development and
their like childhood essentially.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I've been really excited to see the resurgence of Missugu's
Instagram and seeing Missugu rip over in Japan because I
was worried about that kid for a minute.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
And now I haven't seen Oh I haven't seen Massugu.
I haven't seen anything on Instagram, but I heard that
Yeah she was back. Yeah, she seems happy. She seems
just being like she's still a kid, she's still ripping.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It seems like there's a bit.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
More life personality, you know, and like just seems wholesome
and good The.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Reason that Masugu is so instrumental in women's skateboarding, specifically
competitive skateboarding, is at the twenty nineteen Due Tour, Masugu
came out of nowhere from Japan doing like face high
five forties and her run in park and that had
not been happening by anyone else at that time, so
it just it was like the starting gun for progression.
(31:27):
That's where it started, like very clearly. I mean we
all had like goosebumps watching it, and yeah, it was
favored to win the Tokyo Olympics, and you know, it
just wasn't her day.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I think her knee was hurt in practice, she hit
her knee pretty hard, but amazing skateboarder that sort of
you know, just went dark after that. We didn't know
whatever happened to her, and then just now recently has resurfaced.
So it's awesome to hear that. Twenty years ago, I
remember thinking, if we had opportunity to go and consistently compete,
(32:04):
whether it's in parkerber Street, whatever, like, we will see
the progression and the pool needed to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It was just so small for so long.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
So I think, yeah, I just go back to that's
the one good thing from the Olympics is like being
able to see these federations around the world all of
a sudden have a pathway for people that are in
remote parts of the world that aren't around the industry,
and then boom, the progression has happened. So it's just, yeah,
it's been really wild to see. But we've been saying
this for a long time, so I guess it's yeah,
(32:33):
it's the good.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Part of it all. It's the good part of it all.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Don't roll away, We'll be right back, Norah.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Do you got anything going on for the rest of
your weeks leading up to Christmas?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What's on the horizon?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I am going up to la this week, just doing
some cute Adidas stuff, Gonna roll around the skate parks,
gonna eat some food, have some drinks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Going home to the.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
East Coast for the holidays, which I have not done
in literal years, maybe a decade. My boo, my brother
and I are all flying three seats next to each
other back to Boston, and yeah, I gotta meet the fam.
So you know, I'll give you guys more details as
(33:34):
it unfolds. But yeah, I'm a little smitten over here,
so I'm gonna just keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Do you know what we're doing here in Tasmania for Christmas?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
No, we currently don't have a tree, and the ones
that they sell here sat really fast because you don't
really have those types of trees here, So we basically
have to pretty much when we're done with this today,
I have to go drive around and find like a
Charlie Brown Christmas tree or branch to like chopped down
to then put up in the living rooms.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's great, a little Santa hat for Annie.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Annie's been gone for a few days, so we'll see
if she shows up for Christmas. Last year she was
eating ribbons off the tree, so we'll see what she
does this year.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Do you think she's on like a little like love Bender.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I think she's definitely out hopping around with boy Wallaby's
somewhere on the hill or two behind our house.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm pretty sure. That's great. That's what we want for her.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
We want her to end up wildlife. Our good luck
with that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Listeners.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Just for those that have just joined us, Annie is
a you tell us maybe who Annie is in your life.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Annie is an orphaned Bennett's Wallaby her her mother got
hit by a car, which is very common here. Tasmania
is the roag kill capital of the world. And we
got Annie and we we live in a property with
putting a land that's sort of her sort of habitat.
So we've rewilded her here at home and she's thriving
and sassy and hopping around somewhere right now. But yeah,
(35:06):
so it's been an exciting adventure with her such a trip.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
If we're lucky, we'll get to post an image of Annie.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
No promise is made, but if we can, you guys
will get to see the real proof. Okay, So Christmas
and Tasmania, it's coming together. You're back home. No travel
coming up. I think there's a lot of like slowdown
in general with what's happening. Everyone's kind of going offline
these next two weeks, so, you know, just really starting
to soak in the end of your feelings, you know whatever.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
That is?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That was another episode of good Luck with That and
you can follow us on at good Luck Pod on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, just stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
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Speaker 7 (35:56):
We are your hosts Ashley Rayfield, Laura of As, Gonzillo's Alex,
and Mimi new Our executive producer is Jesse Katz. Produced
by Tarry Harrison, Daniel Goodman and Grace Views.
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