Jill Perkins: The Skater's Snowboarder

Jill Perkins joins GLWT. Every skater's favorite snowboarder.From Rookie of the Year to Rider of the Year. We get into what that ride actually looks like up close. The work, the slams, and the mental weight of doing it at the highest level. Then it gets real. Accountability, speaking up, and what happens when the industry decides looking the other way is easier.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good Luck with That is an iheartwomen's sports production in
partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey skaters, welcome back to Good Luck with That.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Today's guest is someone we love, we respect, and I
got to disclose upfront work out of bias because she's
our bud. We're so lucky to have her on the podcast.
Jill Perkins is on Good Luck with That today. If
you've spent any time around skateboarding or snowboarding, Jill Perkins
is one of those writers who name just carries weight
across the entire action sports industry snowboarders respector skateboarders respector

(00:37):
filmers and photographers respector, which usually means that you've been
doing something right for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Welcome to pod job.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Oh, thank you, thank you for having me. I am
stoked to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Nora, Yeah, hello, no comment if you have no Nora
bunks and Seals Norvaskan Seals and I have been friends
for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
She seems to have nothing to say. I admire her
very much. Nora.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I was like in another place. I'm sorry, but that
was super crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm not on the phone like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Was the thing. It was my intro was so boring
that it put her into another.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
At I went, I like fully was in a trance,
but I don't. I don't know where I was. We
got Jill Perkins here. Jill, Jill, you're an anomaly, and
there's many reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
That you are.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
But I first met Jill shortly after I moved to
California at Etney's skate Park of Lake Forest, and I
had not really like been around many girls who were
around my age who skated, especially skated well. She had
a lot more hair at the time, and tighter pants.

(01:52):
Jill will tell us about Did we all tell us
about it?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah? We did.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, that that's pretty much how I remember it.
Definitely tighter pants. I think at one point I was
wearing like.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
A like a tight dress, but I had rolled it
up as a shirt.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I learned my lesson it was it was gathering in
all the wrong places.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Let's just say I.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Feel like I rarely, just like, I rarely see you,
like completely not pulled together like a good fit or
like a fashion outfit. So it's funny to think that
you there was a time where you really didn't have
it together like.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That there was you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I'm sure in ten years from now, I'll look back
and be like, bitch, you really didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
To get that either. But we are and we're living
in the now.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Are you going to be offended if I call this
the Von Dutch Ashton Kutcher era?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh well.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Ashton Kutcher. Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Down with Ashen Kutcher.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
But for some reason, I have this vague memory of
Von Dutch being canceled for some reason, So let's not
coin that, okay. Trucker hat, yeah, truck her hat, I
like it. I like the a frame a frame truck
her hat. Yeah yeah. Hats have always been like an
accessory of mine. I would say, So, Jill, what's what's
going on right now? What can you tell the people?

(03:14):
What stage of life are you currently in?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Stage of life?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Thank you so much for asking answer a great question.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Come weeks from now, I will not have a place
to live, so that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I'm in the middle of the move.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
I've been in Salt Lake City for the past twelve
years going on thirteen, and it's just time to move
back to California. So I'm in head down South in
a couple of weeks, and you know, it's interesting, I think,
not to segue this, but I've learned a lot through
snowboarding and through action sports, and I think one of
the major things I've learned was like letting go of

(03:47):
things is control being one of them.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
About, you know, as I'm I had movers in here
this morning, and as I'm like getting rid of things
and they're going to storage, they're kind of going all
over the place. It kind of goes against what's ingrained
in me as a part to like kind of take
control of situations. And I just I just am looking
around and being like, you know, I don't really know
where I'm going and where I'm going to end up
as far as like my address, but I do know

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that I want a better quality life and I know
I want to be somewhere, and instead of trying to
control that whole thing, I'm kind of like letting it
unfold and taking control of the things that I can handle,
rather than you know, sitting in spiraling. So, you know,
nod to snowboarding and action sports and my peers for
teaching me that.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, you can't you can't really control every situation.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Hell yeah, facts, Yeah, I think selfishly. I'm excited for
this next chapter. Jill's put a lot of time into
Salt Lake and it's time to join forces again. It
is I want Jill to be my neighbor.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, I'm moving right down the street or Nora, we think,
who knows, but uh, yeah, I'm really excited.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
My family's there. A lot of the industry is there.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Whether you know, whether it might seem like some of
the snow industries there or not, it is. And yeah,
I think I've been here for so long and it's
been such an awesome place to live, and I will
be absolutely coming back. But I'm excited for you.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Know, I'm in my thirties, i am single, I am.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Bored in Utah, and a lot of my friends live
in California, so it'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think we just heard an ad. Yeah I was.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I had this all planned out in my head. But
you guys needn't ask me, like.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Where are you listeners?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Call in rite us on this very special dating episode.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
We will be pairing you Jill. Yeah, thank you so
much for asking.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I am single, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Can we have your specs high interests sign.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yep, I am five to nine with no shoes on.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
I am a virgo as my main aries and Libra
I don't know which which one, but those are a
combination of sorts.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And what do I like to do?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Is?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
That was the third question? Yeah, what's your dream date?
Oh I don't know. Well that's a lie Jill knows. Yeah,
I mean, like without getting too serious, Like I just
want to, like, you know, fall in love and laugh
and have.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
A best friend without getting again too serious.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just la live, laugh love. Yeah, I'm just trying to live, laugh, love.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't think this is going to be too hard
for Jill.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
But in the meantime, I am excited to have you
here because you were like a skater before you were
a snowboarder. Can you illustrate this for us a little bit,
because I don't think many people know.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's an interesting timeline.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
So when I was let's say I'm thirty two now,
when I was a kid, I probably skated from the
ages of probably to the age of eleven. I was
going into middle school and I loved it. And there
was one other girl I skated with.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
She was my neighbor.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Her name was Caitlin, and that felt comfortable.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
We were in like that kid like mindset where you're
not really paying attention to.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
The outside forces of society and whatever.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
So I skated for like five years of my youth,
like real young baby gram and then by the time
I entered a new school, I basically yeah, got the
slander of like that's not feminine, like you're that's you know,
that's I got.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Called a dyke. Okay, I'll just can I say that?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
And I think and back then, I mean I didn't
identify as queer, and I also like didn't even really
know what that meant. It just felt aggressive, and I think, okay,
well that's you know, I think I internalized that and
I was like, what one way around this was to join.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
The soccer program.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
But so then I quit skateboarding, and yeah, at the
age of eleven, probably around there, and I played like
conventional sports all through high school.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So from like middle school.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Or fifth grade, I guess it was fifth grade to
my senior of high school, I didn't skate or snowboard
or anything.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then my.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Senior year I went snowboarding with a buddy of mine
and I had gone snowboarding as a kid, like.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Maybe two or three times, like with family, like on.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Holiday, and I always loved it, but my parents worked
so like we never really got the opportunity to go
do it as much as I would have liked to.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
We also kind of lived far from the mountains anyways.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
So I found snowboarding later and it really did feel
like this like Pandora's Box thing where I was like,
holy shit, like.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I enjoy I just enjoyed it so much.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
So then I continued on snowboarding through that season, and
then after I had graduated high school, I went to
this camp called High Cascade and it's a camp that's
located or it used to be. It's called we Are
Camp now or Seek Skate Camp as some people probably
a lot more of your listeners know it by that.
They did a summer program and it was a summer
snowboarding camp and I went and I was like eighteen,

(09:05):
seventeen or eighteen at the time, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Surrounded by female.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Skaters and snowboarders and I was like holy shit, like
this world does exist. And this was like kind of
right when the Internet, like Instagram, like there wasn't there
was still not that much of it on social media,
I mean compared to now, I should add, but yeah,
and that kind of turned it all around. So, in
a long winded way, I started skating when I was young.

(09:29):
I hung it up for a huge portion of my life,
but ever since I started snowboarding, I kind of like
skateboard on the side for fun.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
You're being very modest, Jill.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You played traditional sports, you skated, but like I'm pretty
I'm positive I'd put so much money that you could
have been pro at any of the things that you did.
Like you got into snowboarding senior year and you were
one of the gnarliest street snowboarders. You picked up skating,
I mean good age, Like you said eleven twelve, right,
you could have been pro. You go on the skate

(10:00):
trips and you rip it up with all the garrilees.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Wait for the right reasons, right, Like I think progression
is at an all time high because of the role
models that the younger generation has had and the ones
we've had before us and the ones that.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
We live amongst.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
So you know, I appreciate that, Ashley, I really do,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
But why why snowboarding? Like what stuck again?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Like you could have had it, You could have done
any of these, and something about that was the one.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think snowboarding without putting
too much thought into it. I think like by the
time I picked back pick skating back up, there were
a lot of other girls doing it, which is which
was great. But I think snowboarding like I was in
my own world, Like I was kind of like the

(10:49):
only girl at the resort. There's one other girl that
I ever saw basically snowboarding my first year snowboarding at
Mountain High like actually like doing tricks, and I think
I was like attracted to that, And I think I
was also attracted to the fact that it's like not
this like cookie cutter California thing like or just it
was just it was just my thing. Like I didn't

(11:10):
know anybody that did it. I was like one guy
who went to high school with who like needed to
escape family issues and I'd go snowboarding with them, and
so it just became something that like I knew nothing about.
Maybe that's another thing too, is like I knew some
stuff about skating, like as what you know as a kid,
like you know when you play the video games and
you go to skate lab, but I knew nothing about snowboarding,

(11:32):
and I think that just excited me.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I think, I think it's crazy to like come into
something like that because I felt the same way with skating,
where I like didn't know anything about the core or
like the culture or the history of it, and I
was just kind of like a sponge that wanted to
absorb anything and everything. But it's also really cool to
start in that way because it's very pure, and I
think it's really easy to find like your stride or

(11:57):
your style, and I just feel like the pressures off
you when you discover it like that.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
I it wasn't like picking one or the other, and
I think, you know, it was an internal choice where
I'm like I can either skate or I can either snowboard.
I think it just like naturally progressed into that because
I was so green, and you know, I did want
to absorb as much as I could with it being
new and fascinating and exciting, like these names I've never

(12:29):
heard of, and like what trick is that? Like what
I remember seeing somebody do like that girl like was
trying to do a front board. And it's ironic now
because that's probably my favorite trick or my safety trick, I.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Guess you could say, or I'm like, what is it?
I want to learn that?

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Like one of the first things out of my mouth
in a snowboarding landscape was like and my friend told me,
They're like, that's a front board, and I was like,
I got to learn that, but like that's how little
I knew was yeah, absolutely nothing. And then I think
because because I moved to Utah shortly after so I
was home, I graduated high school, I lived at home

(13:04):
for a year, and then I moved directly to Utah.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I was in this culture of snowboarding and the subculture
was skateboarding, and when I would go skate with my new.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Peers here, it was like it was like a fun
little thing that I had in my pocket, rather than
like I moved here to skate.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
And what you moved to Utah? You told your parents
You're like, nah, academia, just trust me. I got this, Like,
how what was the map like you had you said
you were going to be Rookie of the Year, made
that happen?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
You said you were going to turn pro, made that happen. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, looking back is kind of crazy the things you manifest.
But for me, it was I moved here with the
intention of going to school. I mean, whether I truly
believe that to my core, because I now that I'm
holding I'm in therapy. I know there's a difference between
saying one thing and feel any other. But uh, I
was in school when I moved here. I was taking
online classes through the community college back in more part California.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
And then I moved here. I was working at PF Changs. Still,
I was working restaurant jobs. I was snowboarding working at
PF Chang's.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, we can get into my work street.
It's fascinating. Give me that crab fried rice. Yeah, I was.
I was slaying in those lettuce wraps. Don't you worry?
Is it triggering when you see one?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Now?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
No, I mean not because of that.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
It's actually I mean, this is totally off topic, but
I'll make it quick.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
You have to be twenty one to serve in the
state of Utah.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
I moved here when I was twenty or yeah, nineteen twenty,
and basically I had this like moral complex. I was like,
do I tell them I'm not twenty one, or do
I just wait to find out, you know, because you
make so much more money as a server than you
do as a host.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
And at this point I'd already been serving.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
For two years back home, so I obviously chose not
to tell them, obviously obviously until and they found out
I've ended up. Me and the manager. I'm not going
to say her name, but she was nasty and we
kind of and she was a scheduling manager, so she
would put me on like the shittiest shifts and it
was like this weird I mean talk about like being

(15:08):
a competitive female in any in any industry, Like it
was this weird competitive thing. I don't know, I was
really young. It was super weird, really uncomfortable. Anyways, I
became like good friends with the closing manager because it
was just me and him every night, because I was
always when having to close until the wee hours of
the morning because for some reason, the PF chains in
Salt Lake City closes at two am on weekends.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Stupid.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Anyways, I found out I wasn't twenty one, So basically
the trauma behind me not really going to PF changs
anymore isn't because I worked there, it's more so that
I had a traumatizing experience with a weird boss.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, the whole service industry. It's how many of us
have like worked in different spots like that. But it's
pretty cool to have taken like a leap like that,
if that makes sense, because I had the same thing
happened with my parents where they're like, you're moving to California,
like for what, Like they understood why and all that stuff.

(16:10):
But I think when you have it in your mind
a certain way, it's like, obviously you have to prove
it to everyone else, but you're also proving it to
yourself that you can go and do that, you know totally.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
And to get back to the point of like, you know,
my parents trusting me or letting me go or whatever
it was, it was, yeah, going back, like my intention
was to actually go to school. Like at this point
when I moved to Salt Lake, it wasn't to become
a professional snowboarder. It was to submerge myself in the
culture because I was so fascinated by the culture.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And the center of excellence.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
So like the Olympic Committee is here, there's like a
training facility, so I was like, you know, I had
this roadmap of like I'm going to go to school,
I'm going to like get my instate tuition.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm gonna help out at this like showroom.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I'm going to like get in contact with the people
of Coe the Center of Excellence, and like kind of
like maybe I'll become a trainer for the for the
Olympics as far as like I've always been into like
health and fitness, and and it'll be in the mountains
and I can snowboard and that's great. But as time
went on, the people it kind of I don't want

(17:17):
to say it just fell in my lap.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
People spoke, but like they said, Jill Perkins, now I
get to the pro ranks.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Right people, and you know I I I I guess
if I got one thing right with this move was
that I did submerge myself in this culture and I
met people that did street snowboarding and I just kind
of met the right people. And you know, I think
for a while I chopped it up to lock. I

(17:46):
was like, oh, right place at the right time. But
you know, looking back, it's like it's an energy thing
and I put myself in the positions where I wanted
to be, and you know, my my foresight might have
chained which I didn't consider that I wanted to be
a professional street snowboarding. I didn't even know that was
a thing. So through learning, by submerging myself with these

(18:09):
people and in snowboarding, I basically was able to identify,
like what part of snowboarding I really like, and then
that made my roadmap so much clear.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You talk about the culture of Salt Lake a lot.
Could we hear a little bit about that?

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, I think, I mean, Salt Lake for the right reasons,
is a huge mecca for snowboarding, especially street snowboarding. And
I mean not to discount the back country in the
side country of snowboarding. I'm looking out my window and
I'm just seeing like massive mountains, you know, and so.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
The terrain, it really like it nurtures what we want
to do.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
It's like our playground, our skate park, and street snowboarding arguably.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was I mean, fact check me.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
But a lot of the people that kind of started
street snowboarding grew up here or spent a lot of
time here, So it has a lot of history as
far as snowboarding goes in general, a lot of people.
Every year we get a new influx of generations where
people move here to go to school, to snowboard, and
it just we have local shops, we have the community

(19:12):
here just like it really supports us and it and
it feels good.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
So it's beautiful. I love it. I'm really sad to
leave it.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
It has aided me in being the snowboard i am
today because of everything that it has taught me.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And do you think that like your early skate brain
really informed essentially your perception of street snowboarding and helped
you like figure out Like when I watch you snowboard,
I'm like, you're skating like it's so sick. You pick
the gnarliest, most extreme, most like risk involved street spots
and huck yourself down them.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's super sick. I can't. I'm like, what charge is?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
What?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well?

Speaker 5 (19:55):
First off, I got to stop doing that because that's
a whole nother issue.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Up in here. But anyways, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, I think the influence skateboarding has had on my
snowboarding is huge. I'm very inspired by watching skating and
by skating myself and seeing my peers skate in thew
and being able to take that and bring that cell
into snowboarding, it makes it a little bit less jocky.
The progression in snowboarding along with skateboarding, like it, they're

(20:24):
both skyrocketing, and they're both gnarly in their own ways,
and they both I mean, you gotta respect it, Like
people are doing some crazy shit out there.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I also think, like snowboarders, you're coming from You're coming
from an activity that requires a certain type of weather
and a certain type of environment that's not always like
conducive to where everybody lives. So skateboarding, like for me,
it was always I couldn't surf as much as I
wanted to, so I'd skateboard. And I feel like a

(20:56):
lot of snowboarders as well, have a massive off season
that they tend to go skate in. But yeah, it's
really cool to like have watched you and your crews
like create these insane videos and edits and even the
crossover of like the editing and the music and the
way it all translates. Like I remember years ago going

(21:19):
to that premiere and just I felt like that edit
was so similar to skate and I just felt like
the variety of music, the cadence of the clips and editing,
and I think growing up following snowboarding a little bit
and being like really psyched on Jess Kimura and snowboarders

(21:41):
who were like really comfortable with getting out there in
the streets, also like really informed like my skating. So
that was sick because that was like, I feel like
one of your first videos that you were like really
entering the scene at like a crazy level.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, that was my first video ever.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Other than I did work with Desire Milanson alongside her
in some of her projects, But yeah, I think they're
so comparable and they're so not at the same time.
But I know my career draws a lot of inspiration
from skateboarding, and I think it's a nice north star
because it's all fueled by the same passion. In a way,

(22:22):
I think it's beautiful and I think it's really cool
to see the world's collide.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
And I'm so fortunate and lucky to.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Like know and love both in a way, and because
it's connected me to people like you, Nora and you
ash like it. I feel lucky to be able to,
you know, have the privilege to move to California and
have these friends who understand I think honestly, like that's
a huge part of it too, is like the respect
I think is a part of it. That's like it's

(22:49):
because you understand what I do and I understand what
you do. It might not be so much respect, but
like I know, like what goes into getting a clip,
I know what goes into the travel, what goes into
the team shit that keeps us busy when we're not filming,
Like you know, there's a lot of like speculation around that,
and it's frustrating and I think, like it call it

(23:09):
trauma bonding or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, like it's also I think people don't realize, like
we're not just skating all day. We're not just snowboarding
all day. There's so much balanced of like taking care
of ourselves, traveling, handling our business at home, doing business,
whether you're it's brand deals or creative projects.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's also like.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
You're your own manager in a way, and you actually
are like you don't do.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
You have a manager? I do? Naw, I haven't, Okay,
but you didn't forever.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
No.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I got an agent a year ago, a little over
a year ago. That's crazy, Like.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You've had to like go and basically build your own
brand and also build like the resources in order to
be the snowboarder you are. What what was like your
personal favorite accomplishment that for you was like ooh, I
could go back and like maybe relive that moment.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Uh, Definitely, A Rookie of the Year was probably.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
I think that was like the I mean essentially other
than like small rail jams something like that, Like that
was like the biggest thing because at the time award
shows were it was the only.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Kind of credit that we got as street snowboarders other
than like.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Views view count, and it's something that's awarded to you
by voted on the industry. I would relive that night,
maybe not exactly what had gone down, but like that
feeling of being like I just did what I set
out to do, you know, and I think, yeah, that's
the number one that was cool.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I remember was it?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think the kind did a commercial where they talked
about you becoming Rookie of the Year, and I think
Curisa Moore was like the voiceover of the commercial and
Curisa was basically saying, how I remember geeky on this,
Like if you know who Curisa.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Moore I don't remember this. I don't think I have.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
She's like one of the really yeah, she's like one
of the most prolific surfers of all time. But she
is basically narrating this storyline and it's you. It's a
couple clips of you, and it's like picking up a
snowboard and then becoming Rookie of the Year and changing
the game of snowboarding within like three to four years,
which is what you did. But I just remember like

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watching that and being like kind of geeking out because
I was just like, what this is so sick?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
And you know what, I had a woman team manager
at the time.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Colleen Colling Quigley, shout out like, she's the reason.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
She's one of the main reasons that I am where
I am today because I've just her like pure belief
in my capabilities and you know, my she saw where
I wanted to go before I even saw where I
wanted to go. We need more people in positions of
power that are capable of doing that. Yeah, So I
mean like yeah, without shout out calling, because without her,
I don't know would have it.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Might have looked a lot different, who knows.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
But real talk, like we all kind of on how
we have so much mutual respect for really powerful women
in action sports surfing, snowboarding, skating, and just want to
highlight the part that you nailed perfectly, Jill, is having
a female TM or just someone at a table that
can help not just like be like, oh, we need

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to put some women on this roster and just kind
of like peruse the internet and be like I think
that's the fit. But they like truly know that you
are the fit. They see how you're going to move
the sport. They see how you're going to push it
forward because they were once in that seat and they
can like sense the talent. Like the whole skate industry
is built by excellent skateboarders who carved out the culture
and so they're the experts. But what if we were

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able to be the experts too on our culture.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I have fantastic male.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
I can't even think of the name team managers like
female guys.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
There's a bunch of male guys who were helping me out.
But I well, you know I do.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
I do because people are people and like it just
I guess what I'm saying is like it just it
can't just be like put a girl on. It doesn't
mean just any girl. We need to have a girl TM.
It can't just be any girl because to keep this
place in a homeostasis, it kind of does need to
be somebody who bleeds for it and is is you know,

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exercising like they're like just like wanting to do the
right things for the right reasons.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
All right, everyone, we're gonna take a quick ad break.
One thing that we were talking about just a moment
ago is like how Nora was talking about how sick

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like video parts are and snowboarding and how much crossover
there is with the soundtrack and the bts of it all.
And for sure there's like a formula for snowboarding and
skateboard video.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's so much about the soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
And I think in action sports, like people are really
precious about the soundtrack, like someone digging through a cassette
bin in Prague and being like I found the most
obscure song ever, and look, I want to say for
the record, that shit suck. I know it's where I'm
going with this, but like as someone I'm a huge
music curator and I love that stuff, but I want

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to recognize how raw and cool for your video grass part.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
You put a Billie Eilish song to it, and I.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Thought that was so cool because you said in another
interview too, it was like kind of like almost like
it could be an entry for somebody into snowboarding, like
it's their first premiere. They're watching a part and they
actually recognize the song and so they feel an even
bigger connection point to it.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And I just think you're so good at like bringing
people in.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's like one of my favorite things about you, besides
the fact that you're just an epically talented snowboarder, but
you're like, come on in, like I'm not trying to
make this impossible.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Yeah, yeah, I you know, I really struggle with that,
like to this day, Like I've probably thought about it
this morning, you know, of of the X, like I
like to call it inclusive exclusivity, and.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I completely I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I'm sure people have said that before, but it's really.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Frustrating when you know, we're in these we're in these
areas I'm in snowboarding, and it's like, you know, it's
it's too exclusive. Like if you're not if you're not
like weird or cool, you're kind of not allowed, like
and it's that's not true.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
But that's the like energy a lot of the time.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
And it's extremely frustrating because it's it's made me question
like my worth and my ability, Like am I an artist?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I have to be an artist too?

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Like I didn't know that, and like, oh, I have
to have.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Like great music taste, but it has to appeal to
the right people who are making the videos or I'm whack,
you know, or And I finally got to a point
where I was like, I am a basic bitch.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I enjoy.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Music, like I remember like being like fuck it.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Like Spencer Schubert actually is the one who this was
a couple of years ago now, like I kind of
was like talking about it, and he was like Jill
like because one of his really good friends in one
of my peers in snowboarding, Dilan Ojo, who had passed away.
He was a DJ, and Spencer had told me that
Ojo had basically told him like who cares?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Who?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Like?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Who cares?

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Like you don't you don't have to like everything that
these people are liking. That doesn't make you less of
a snowboarder, you know. And I don't want to take
his words out of context, but I do. But Spencer
said to me was basically like, if that's how you
identify and you, like Billie Eilish, fucking run it up.
If people have a problem with it, that's that's on them.
But you know, and I can I can believe that,
and I can feel that. But is there pressure like

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still behind the scenes, Like am I still nervous to
play music on the OX because it might be a
pop song, it might be country music, or it might
be some.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Weird rap song that I had saved from ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Like yeah, I'm still nervous about that.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
But I would love to see like more acceptance, you know,
if we can you know, inclusivity is one thing, but
like once they're included, can we accept them? And I
think that's where there's this there's still a wall.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I think that song was like made for like a
video part. I've like always said that, and it's just
also very I feel like in a way that's that
playing that kind of music, using that type of music
really helps like the non snowboarders or like people who

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aren't as familiar with the culture maybe understand it in
like a cinematic way, or like like I could watch
something with that song, and it could be something I
don't understand, but it's going to hype me up because
that song has that vibe.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, and so I like it for that as well.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Selfishly, it was really cool too, like the feedback on it,
because I kind of I kind of had this inkling
and I also I was just like, oh, I don't know,
like care, I like it, it works, Let's just use it.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And it's kind of like how I feel.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
But like the feedback after the premiere, like after the
video was playing online, like the amount of people that
were like, oh, like my partners never wanted to watch snowboarding,
but like loves your part like you know, or or
it just really it really and you know, having that
feedback and even people going to my like film or
an editor and saying that, like it really kind of

(32:32):
opened his eyes to like be like oh damn, like okay,
like instead of being you know, as you mentioned, like
the formula, which in a way, there's there's formulas, you.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Know, it's but they're very.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
There's a wiggle room in them because I do think
if you stick to that formula, yes it works, but
it also.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Doesn't leave room. Excuse me, it doesn't leave room for growth.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
And I think that's my big thing, is like respecting
the formula but then kind of manipulating it in your
own way, because then everybody has their own flavor.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
So I mean, I don't know if people know this
about you, but like you were just talking about do
I have to be an artist now and all this stuff,
But you're pretty handy with the jigsaw, dude.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Funny.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
On the contrary, I actually do enjoy building things, which
I guess, yeah, I pen on paper, but I do
like it.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, you've been making a bunch of tables and other
objects and doing some tiling and like for you, do
you feel like it's a good break from like the
physicality of snowboarding, Oh.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
One hundred percent. I think it's like the single.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Time that I get to like be in my garage
alone and like using my output and brain in a
different way that you know, with a lot of risk
and chances, but not as consequential as like falling off
a building, you know, totally risks of like oh did
I measure that wrong? Shit, I learned my lesson. I'm
going to try it again. It's like it's it's like

(33:58):
perfectly frustrated and also a wonderful outcome at the end
because you like have something tangible to be proud of.
And yeah, I really like that, and I think too,
it's it really is just like I could be having
a bad day and I'll be working, but like in
the hours of me working, I'm not really focusing on
like maybe why I'm upset.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Tell us visually what it is that you've been making.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Well, I dude, I wish I just packed. I just
sent them all on the truck this morning. But uh,
kind of everything. I think I've been making those tile pieces,
I remember.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
They're not little, Well, they've made beautiful. You've made furniture.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
They very in sizes, and I just like was looking
on Facebook Marketplace and I was like looking for furniture
and I was like looking at the prices and I
basically was like this is insane, Like everything's so expense.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean on a.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Resale site too, you know, I'm like this is crazy.
And then I was looking further. I was like I
could just do that. Like also, like I have time.
I actually got into it when I was injured, so
because I would just be sitting here and like.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
What am I even doing.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
And uh yeah, so I've built like side tables, I've
built like little like plant stands, coffee tables, like book
holders at coffee book er.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm sorry, cookbook holders. I guess like just like.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Accent pieces that are completely like made to order as
far as like colors go, and what people want.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
If they if you know, if they want to buy them.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
But I do find it just like very like meditative
to bank.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I could totally see you like the summer maybe when
you have more time doing like a bunch of pieces
and having an art show with them. And it's funny
because you're like, I have to be artistic whatever, but
I'm like it's all there, dude, It's it's like, it's
all just however you want to do it. But it
is so nice to have something that you can lose
yourself in and work with your hands and like get

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lost in, especially like alone and off your phone.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, like that's huge, the best thing. Yeah, huge practice.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
I think one of the things I fell in love
with snowboarding and skateboarding, all these things that are like
you know, to like the gen pop I guess would
be like, WHOA, that's crazy you do that like it's
I fell in love with like the arc of progression
and like learning something, you know, you're like starting at
the bottom and you're like you're getting increasingly better and

(36:16):
better and better until you kind of like plateau or
you know, your your your accomplishments. You're still accomplishing things
that you're just not like they're not major major, And
I think it's the same shit when it comes like
building things is like I didn't really know anything, and
like I'm slowly getting better or I'm getting better at it,
you know, and I'm addicted to that. Like it doesn't

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it's not necessarily what it is I'm doing like that.
Of course there's I have to like it to some capacity,
but like learning how to build these pieces of furniture
or these like.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Art pieces, I guess, if you want to say, it has.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
A similar feeling to like learning how to do a
front board, and so it's all it's all the same.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's just the evolution of life.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
And like what I like back then, I needed a
physical release, you know, and now I'm film physical releases
all the time because it's my job, and now I
need like a mental release.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
But also maybe that nurture is like my.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Creative side, which is now furniture making or tilework or
whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
All right, everyone, we're gonna take a quick ad break.
I feel like for the last two years, I've seen
you either in a boot around your ankle, double black eyes,

(37:43):
black eye, like I yeah, that's going on?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Is nice?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Scarred so that that's gonna be that's forever baby, wow?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I mean, but what what's up? Like broken back? We're
talking a lot of injuries for sure, but it's come
to the territory.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
You know. It's kind of part for the course and
not that I like bring it on, you know, but
injuries have been a massive part of my career in trajectory,
and I think a lot of it came from my
initial draw to like doing gnarly things. And that's a
kind of a scary territory because like, once you do that,

(38:21):
that's kind of your baseline and then you know that
like Thriller, that clip high or that, yeah, all those
like endorphins like you kind of have to keep reaching
and keep jumping higher and higher for all of them.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Right, So injuries kind of come with the territory. I guess.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
For me, I've been working a lot on like my
mental stuff, and I kind of had this understanding. Someone
kind of told me they were like those voices in
your head that are you know, you get hurt and
you get traumatized by that. You know, it's like PTSD.
It's like micro PTSD essentially, And what it is is
like your body telling you, Like the voices in your
head are basically your body telling you, like, listen, bitch.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You haven't been listening to me for the past ten years,
and like it's now time that you listen to me.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
And it's not as sick and twisted way of like
you got injured and that's karmic or anything like that,
but like it is, it is a nice reminder to
like listen to It's a nice reminder for me to
like listen to my body and listen to my mind
and understand like, hey, is this Am I getting anxiety
because this is a bad idea? Or am I getting
anxiety because like you know, this is a scary risk,

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but you know how to assess it and conquer it essentially, So, yeah,
injuries are injuries are tough, and they're they're tough on
your physical body, but older you get they're tough on
your mental I.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Feel like as I get older, the injuries are tougher
on me mentally. Yeah, And it's such a weird thing
in the sense of, like I do feel like in
a lot of ways, I'm way better than I ever
was at skateboarding, but there's this this version of myself

(39:57):
that tends to like get in the way depending on
how how I'm feeling on any given day. And it's like,
even if I'm super prepped or feel good, a certain
thought can enter my brain and completely alter that. Yeah,
and once it happens once, like for me, I've gotten
hurt after visualizing myself getting hurt and trying to push
through it. And now I know, once I've let a

(40:21):
certain amount of visualization come into my brain, and once
I've like let the demon maybe have power in that way,
I know I have to stop because there's almost no
way to like reset it, and I probably will get hurt. Yeah,
but that's like a whole practice in itself, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, Oh yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
I completely agree, And it's really difficult, especially when you
know you're constantly I think we've been living in a
state of fight or flight for I don't know fifteen
years now, like a long time, and those it gets skewed,
you know, and so it's like you mentioned the amount
of that like bad thought coming in, like where what's

(41:07):
the floodgate? Like ho, what what is the what's the
perfect amount? Or like what's too much? Or like you know,
when do you when do you draw that line? And
it's a really difficult thing to do, especially when you're
put in a situation where it's like your time is now,
Like it's you're you've been sitting in the van for
five days and you're driving around Japan and you haven't snowboarded,

(41:29):
and you you know, you're it's now your turn to snowboard,
and it's like, oh, you don't.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's not a luxury of ours to be able to
be like n today is not my day. I'll go tomorrow,
like totally. And so it becomes really confusing because it is,
like I was saying earlier, it's like it's to decipher
the difference between.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Like like like a gut feeling and a trauma response.
And so I've been really practicing that, been really trying
to work on that, and you know, it's it's been working,
I think at the same time though I worry and
this is just this is this is.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Now, this is my therapy session, So thank you for
being here.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's why we created the show.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's because I have this up where it's like,
you know, I was talking to my therapists and I
was like, okay, but I'm done saying no, Like that's great.
I've been honing in on that, and I've been practicing
these anxieties. I've been practicing going up and being.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Like, ah, today's not my day.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I want to leave it all out there, so I'm
gonna play it safe, you know. And now I've just
hit this point where I'm like, but now I'm like
comfortable playing it safe, and like I'm also on the
flip side, like not being fulfilled because I'm not doing
I'm not snowboarding in the way that I once did
based off these injuries and these traumas that I've had.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
So it's a work in progress, but uh, it's really important.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
I mean I think like especially for like the listeners
and people doing it and for all these other athletes
that are.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
That know what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
It's it's absolutely terrible, but I do believe that it
gets better. And I do believe there's a way of like,
you know, I think there's a part of acceptance to
where it's like, Okay, I accept that maybe I don't
want to do the.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Nearliest thing anymore.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
How can I now move forward and like redefine what
I want to.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Do with that energy? You know, you get a snowmobile,
you get.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
A slid Yeah, yeah, yeah, which mind you is? I
mean it's everything they said it was going to be
as hard as hell.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Okay, well this is going to take us into one
of our newer segments called get a Grip.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Ah Rightkay, it's a quick rapid fire snowboarders for skateboarders.
Who has worse fashion? Right now?

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I mean that just depends.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I think skateboarders have worse fashion on the snow, obviously,
and I think a lot of snowboarders dressed like they
wish they were skateboarders.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
On the snow, off the snow in the streets.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Nor V can work on her on her swag on snow.
But we've had this conversation, so she's she knows, she knows.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I'm talking like urban lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I'm not trying to look good when I I snowboard
twice a year.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Okay, I know my bad and guess I always ask
I know, but no, no, I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
When you were asked me, I was like, hell yeah, Nora,
Hell yeah, I feel like I did.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
What was What's the first thing you would change about
the way what I'm wearing?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Well, thirty two.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Bibs and the like in the in the purple thirty
the sun sings you wear?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Oh yeah, those are sick, but but it's you. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well I just got goggles this year for the first time. Yeah, fuck,
and I liked them. I've always had a hard time
with the peripherals of the goggle.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I don't know. It's you. At the practice, I was
the same way. Well I got there.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah, sorry, fans A question to go back to the
original person? Who has better clothing style?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Snowboarders are skateboarders.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
And you just mean like go into coffee. Yes, everybody
looks the same. Next question, I like that. I like
that all right, La Jill or Salt Lake Jill.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Who's more dangerous depends on who you ask La Jill.
I mean we all know La Jill, which La sounds
sirens like? Get ready?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
A snowboard trick that skateboarders think is cool but actually isn't.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
A Miller flip pretty whack.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I mean, yeah, Miller flip pretty whack on a snowboard,
like a front flip off a rail pretty whack.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
On a snowboard, and a combo on a round. I
feel like Miller flips.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's funny that skaters would think that they're cool because
they're really whack skateboarding.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, I just sometimes feel like maybe like the core,
like it's just I think it's a wow factor thing.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It's like or I think it's like yeah, but I
feel like a.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Backflip's actually like hardish, where Miller flip is just kind
of like this, it's like a.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's a court.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's like if I'm if I'm going to Venice Park,
like Venice Beach skate Park, You're like gonna see a
Miller flip.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Most overrated snowboard city Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
We knew you were going to say that most under
hyped snowboard city. Ooh ooh, ooh, ooh ooh.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
I was just in Lithuania on a trip and they
had such a pure community, and I would I just
want to kind of say that mention that because they
are they are doing something right. Like it was like
they were all really coming together and like supporting one
another whether you're no.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Matter where you come from or who you are, and
it was it was really cool to.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
See coolest snowboarder of all time? Oh gosh, cool is
such a okay, your favorite snowboarder of all time?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I have a bunch of respector Barrett Christy for sure.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
A lot of the people that come to my head
are people that are doing stuff for the sport, and
I think Barrett Christy is one of the jess mar asimbody.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I mean, that's such a tough question.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
I can name my favorite people to snow here with
Reed Smith for sure is on there. Scott Blum, I
just I just think he's I just Stephie Luxton. Oh man,
I'm just named my friends Katie.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
What about skateboarder that time and time again just gets
you super stoked?

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Oh, I mean, well, Nora, obviously, I'm also gonna name
my friends Nora and Nicole. Fobby honestly, poepens and gets
me super fucking hyped. Oh Poe gets me hyped, and
post and no overrating also gets me super hyped Georgia
Martin Georgia is like the goat it like she's she's on.
She's so dope, I think. But I really love how

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fast Bobby skates and I and you know, I when
I go skating with her, I really admire like she
is such a professional, Like she puts on a clinic
everywhere she goes, and I'm like, I know you're good,
you know, like I skate with you. But I'm like
one night when she just is out of Parker hours,
I'm like, oh fuck, Like what can't she do?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Kind of thing. So, yeah, you got to go on
the first official loop trip. Yes, I was there. Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Can you tell me a little bit. Can you break
it down? What was van life like? What was it
like being the only snowboarder in this massive crew of skaters?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know, it didn't it was it? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:23):
If anything, I mean, I love it, Like those are
all my homies. So it was like so it was
vacation for me, you know, And I think that was
the problem.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
This is vacation. I love this.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
It was so fun. I think ultimately, like I was
going through I left halfway to get injections on my shoulder.
So like I, yeah, that's basically like that sucked. But
other than that, like van life was like it was
so easy for me that part of it because it
was like it wasn't I was there as like a

(48:57):
guest rather than to be a fly on the wall
because I know what that pressure is like when I'm
snowboarding and like it sucks ass, Like it's so terrible
and like everyone feels it. Not everyone talked about it,
and so I just was watching it kind of happen around.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
But I thought they did it such a good job.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
But like everything was like very like inclusive and like
everybody got a chance, and it was like show up,
how you want to show up today? And like I
don't know, you put twelve girls in a van?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
What's the worst that can happen?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
You know? So sick, A lot of energy, a lot
of personalities. Yeah, it's like a twelve person pack van.
All right, everyone, we're gonna take a quick ad break.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Skateboarding and snowboarding.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
They say they support women, but we kind of still
see the industry getting it wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
So what needs what does a brand need to do
to get it right?

Speaker 4 (49:59):
In your mind, it's gonna take time to change.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
I guess ultimately, because it's not like a brand tomorrow
can be like, Okay, we're putting on six girls, like
let's do this, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I mean they could, who knows, maybe they could, but.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
That's the thing they could, and there is a business
model to support a decision like that.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
So yeah, I think what brands could do differently or
a little bit better is like be more transparent, more inclusive,
do a better job at like delegating trips for the
women rather than feeling like you're just tagged onto something. Yeah,
because yeah, and I do think, like, you know, it's

(50:36):
like spending time with people and creating a quality relationship
with somebody is like that's what's gonna make you want
to have somebody's back more than And this is from
my point of view, like I'd rather have somebody's back because.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
They're a good person rather than they're a good snowboarder.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
And I would imagine a lot of women do feel
that way as well, but we don't really get the
opportunities to do that.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
It's like we're going on this brand shrip. Jill's gonna
be our girl, so we're not gonna bring the other
two girls that are on the team or.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Whatever, you know, and when you just want to bring
them in snowboard with them because you're all living in
this timeline where you have this opportunity and you want
to like relish that together because you see the guys
doing that, you know, like and.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
You're gonna get a better product.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
You're gonna like, the trip's gonna be better, the outcome,
you're gonna get more hyped, You're gonna feel safer. It's
like it feels so obvious to us, yet it's such
a missing piece to the actual experience.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
No, I just think I just think, like how we
were talking about Colleen earlier, I think everybody, men, women,
they them, everybody will benefit from more women being involved
at the top, like super behind the scenes, whether that's
creatively or in the sales department or up at CFO.

(51:59):
It's like it's like when there's representation there, it just
creates like a more all encompassing thing, you know. I
mean even seeing it like I've been we were on
a Skull Candy shoot like a week two weeks ago,
and like the creative team is like a bunch of
women and a bunch of guys, and so is the

(52:21):
talent team, and it's just the blend, like everyone just
blends so well together and everyone has having fun and
no one's like stressing about I don't know, I just
feel like more boxes get checked when there's more diversity
behind the scenes, because you're just you're just covering all
the bases versus the same type of five to ten

(52:43):
different guys doing it all.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
You know, and you've spoken publicly a lot about these
dynamics and kind of just the unhealthy power dynamics within
it all. You've been willing to talk about sponsors who
have there's been misconduct within it, and you've it was
taken a lot of courage to talk about it publicly,
leave a company, leave a job behind. And I think

(53:08):
something you said that really stuck out in an interview
if you all haven't listened to and want to spend
another two hours listening to the greatest person ever Jill
Perkins Talk the bomb Hole, Very Cool Snowboard podcast.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Great work over there.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
That you could be kicked off a team as easily
as you were put on the team, and like the
power at which these things are broken, that you were
at completely the mercy of someone's opinion, and how you
perform in that initial moment of being on the team.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Basically, Jill spoke up in the past about some pretty
serious things that happened to her, and the accusations were
never taken seriously and there was literally nothing done about it,
and for Jill's peace of mind, she had to leave
this brand because no one was.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Willing to do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And it's totally insane that we live in a day
and age where as a female athlete, you can come
forward and be like, this happened to me. I'm uncomfortable.
She's uncomfortable, and for it to just be like completely
either swept under the rug or ben or.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Like, yeah, well, I think he's a good guy.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I sleep good at night because I know that I
did the right thing, and I wasn't sleeping well when
I when I hadn't done the right thing, or when
I was a little timid or scared of doing the
right thing, or you know, it wasn't even it was
like I didn't even know what doing the right thing
looked like until I was like, this feels so uncomfortable
and I need to fucking figure it out.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
It is unfair and like the lack of the fear
of not wanting to speak up because you don't want
to ruin ruin future partnerships.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
That's valid and that's fair and it's not right, but
it's not right. And I think I guess that's what
got me through that mindset was like, you know, the
brands that I want to partner with are the people
that are going to want to partner with me because
it's like if they you know. Also, like I like

(55:13):
to think that I have good rapport with a lot
of brands, and you know, because I work so closely
with them one on one for a long time, like years,
like they they know that, Like it's it wasn't like
the girl who cried Wolf, Like this is like the
first thing that I get along with every single every
other team manager that I have and everybody else I
work with, Like there's not there's never been any anything.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I mean, it's just one of the million reasons that
should be taken get taken seriously.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Yeah, And that's what's crazy about it. And when you
spoke it like you spoke for skateboarding though, too. I
think that was one of the things that I was
really excited to have you on the pod for is
You Rip, We Love You.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So there's that.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
But then when you took an opportunity to be really
publicly clear about me conduct from a previous sponsor that
was a significant sponsor, a huge portion of your paycheck,
and you walked away from that and were willing to
speak publicly about it so gracefully, I felt like you
were speaking for skateboarding. You were like one of the
first voices to be like calling out behavior that happens

(56:16):
in all these action sport industries that just doesn't get
talked about. So to not rehash the story, Jill, but like,
are you able to kind of like just get listeners
up to speed and.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
This it happens all over sexual verbal harassment, misconduct. It
happens in every industry, and mine happens to be snowboarding,
which is relatively similar to skateboarding.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
And yeah, so I a.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Few years ago, I I you know, in my career,
I was with this company. I was brand new to
the company. I was really stoked on the company because
I was like it was something that I could it was.
It was an energy drink company, and at the time,
energy drink companies weren't really sponsoring street snowboards. There was
there was a few and uh that were kind of

(57:01):
in like a different generation than I, but in my
direct not many, especially girls. So I was like, okay, cool,
like this is this is I remember thinking like this
is kind of odd, but I'm down and if I can.
You know, there's a lot of speculation around energy companies,
but like I would like to be a glimmer of like,
you know, let's change this space and like, you know,

(57:22):
if there's one, let's get more.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Anyway, so I signed with this company and very quickly
after we had there were some issues with a team manager.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
And.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
They revolved around you know, like partying and you know,
putting hands where hands shouldn't have been put and saying
things that shouldn't have been said. And you know, when
you're put in a position where there's like an iron
claw on you of like money, where it's like half.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Your salary year and you just bought a house and
you need to you know, you just need to make
ends meet.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
You hit the you hit rock bottom in a way, really,
I don't know what the fuck to do, Like I either,
I know that's wrong, but but I need to get
but I'm now I'm screwed. I'm like my back's against
the wall literally, And anyways, that being said, it was
it was a weird thing. I didn't really know what

(58:20):
really was happening at first, and I thought I could
handle it myself because I don't know why. I just
was like, I can get over this, like you know,
I've gotten over things in the past.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
I can get over things now.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
And it just kind of turned into this thing that
I realized that I couldn't really get over and I
didn't really feel comfortable working along this person.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
At all.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
So yeah, I ended up going to There was like
a couple other things that happened with other people, and
I decided to go to HR about it, and HR
basically decided to do the bare minimum of just like,
you know, it's funny because I didn't make the choice
for I didn't choose for this happen to me, right,
And when it did, their response was, Okay, you're the problem.

(59:07):
So I'm just going to remove this person from you,
like you know, like this person's going to keep their job,
but you're going to actually move to a different boss
or like you're going to have and so right then
and there. It already puts me in a different position
than everybody else on the team, and that creates a
problem and it becomes very uncomfortable and for not just me,

(59:28):
but for everybody else because it's like, well, what's going on?
You know, I made the decision to leave after going
to HR and them kind of doing like giving me
like a minimal response about it. And it's something that
I believe is like a very important topic in a
very hurtful like people quit their jobs, people walk away
from things they love because people's actions and choices and
what they do and what they say, and it's not

(59:50):
really fair at all.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I would I would just think that keeping your athletes
safe should be like your number one priority, like period.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
And it's not that hard to do well when you're
in the minority, Like it's really easy to prioritize the
other portion of the athletes and writers. And what I
always found really hard behind the scenes is calling out
a lot of the behavior or like seeing how this
could be an unsafe environment and just like being like
you're like, don't I have too many stories for the

(01:00:19):
air right now and for this episode. But when I
would point them out, what would get so far in
the way is like the deep relationships that would happen
from the owner of that company, the brand manager to
the team manager that they've been in a pack together
for decades, and that would always be the number one
wall that would just happen outside the fact that they're like, yeah,

(01:00:42):
this is wrong, Like I'm going to talk to them,
but behavior was super unsafe and it's just not the
environment that we should be fostering. And like, yeah, I
get like skateboarding and snowboarding and surfing at times is
anti corporate, anti rules, this and that, but like basic
professional accountability needs to happen, basic like rights within all

(01:01:04):
this needs to happen. And yeah, I just don't you
were one of the few to like call it out,
and how many behind you didn't? And I guess what
I want to know is like this happened about a
year two years ago for you, right, twenty twenty one
is like when it happened, Like, well, okay, so five
years ago, do you feel like anything has changed? Obviously,

(01:01:26):
women have like reached out to you within this, like
we're we have you on the pod to be like
you're telling our story too, and we haven't even been
able to get into it. Really, do you think anything's
changed or has it just been quiet business as usual.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
It's hard for me to decipher whether they've changed as
a whole or if they changed based off of the
way people treat me. Because when I entered a new
agreement with a different company, it was on the table
they had known what happened, like, you know, this is
all coming out and they knew and like, so that
feels different the respect I get from them and the
open conversation and like the honesty from the company and
with now where they're like, we understand that this happened, we.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Want to have your back. You let us know what
makes you comfortable, and like we will handle it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
You know, that feels different coming from a place where
it was like we hear your concerns and we're choosing
to ignore them. And that's that's just a personal experience
of mine as far as like other brands, like a
lot of it's behind the scenes, and a lot of
people it's it's super uncomfortable to talk about, so like,
you know, it's it's I don't, I don't know, I

(01:02:28):
don't I don't hear that much unless I'm getting you know,
a DM or someone's calling me or texting me about
like hey, this just happened, you know, but yeah, I
think I I it breaks my heart to know that
like these people out there exist and we're awarding them
for their bad behavior and they're allowed to just stay

(01:02:48):
in a comfortable position where they can affect these people's
lives and it and it really blows me away because
like I do know that, like my physical capabilities of
snowboarding and my love for snowboarding have definitely changed as
an outcome to this situation. And I know that firsthand,
and so like when I think about it, like it

(01:03:09):
breaks my heart to know, like how many other people
were turned away from something that they loved because somebody else,
because of somebody else's actions, And that's super that sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, I think that's the real, the real talk of
it all right there. I mean, there's so many layers
to this, and I think we could talk about this
till next Sunday too.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
It's like, you know, there's there's the line is to
be drawn in in concrete not sand, like it's it's
it's it is hard, like to your point where it's
like we work in industries that there's a lot of
gray area and with the homies working for homies and
this brand started by my cousin or you know, like
my old skate buddy, Like that's a real thing, and like,

(01:03:55):
but at the end of the day, you're right, people
are people and people have rights, and like you should
be you should make you shouldn't want to make people
feel uncomfortable in what they're doing. And I encourage people
to talk for it, talk about it and move forward
and like you know, kind of get to the bottom
because they do believe that, like, the more people who
do speak up about it, the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
More change we will see. And we see this in
a lot of things in life.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
And I know it's super uncomfortable and I know it's
scary and like all those feelings that you're feeling of
like it's going to ruin and tarnish you know, future
partnerships whatever their real feelings and like, but it's important because, like,
as somebody who's gone through it, like I feel better
on the other side of it than I did when
I was, Like, are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
You working on a part right now for anything?

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Yeah, we're just finishing up a two year actually first
two year i've ever done super awesome. In snowboarding, we
don't like really get the luxury to like do something
to completion as like as much as skating, I know
skating too, as like brand trips and stuff like that.
But typically our video parts were filming for like a
course of three months traveling to you're probably on like

(01:05:00):
a week to two week trips. It's a lot in
a short amount of time. So I've had the luxury to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Do a two year and we're finishing that up. Now
comes out in the fall for video grass and uh yeah,
I'm hyped.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I'm excited. It should be good. Putt do you leak
the music?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I've been on a big share kick lately.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
That's hell?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Wow? Is that for real? Like you guys might get
right to share for your part? Well, too far, no comment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
We are your hosts Ashley Rayfield, Dora of Askinzelo's, and
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Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Mhm.