Good Mom's be Gay(ish)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
She cooked, she cleaned, cared for her children and the
man of the house, and of course she didn't talk back.
She was both.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Obedient and soft by nature.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
She was a good woman who always made good choices.
That we're good mom's bad choices? Who single mom? Who said?
But the patriarchy shared all their bad choices and found
out they were so bad. After all, we're experts overhairs
and your new vesties. Sit back and near the ride.
I can do a bad I can do on my

(00:40):
Welcome back to good Mom's bad choices. I'm Erica and
I'm Mela. Happy hump day, bitches, Happy motherfucking hump day.
We are in week two of June. How are you feeling?
Are you surviving summer? I am? I got my fresh
wig on. You're you are determin to wear the wigs.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
This is my third ship top wig. The first two
or fails.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
This one. I think it's okay. It's a little shiny,
but maybe hit a little bit little baby powder baby
powder on the front, but we didn't have time for that,
so we just.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Put it on, clapped it on. Did Did you hear
that this weekend and it reminds me. Yeah, I don't
like the color. I'm having a hard time with blonde
at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
What's wrong with it? What do you mean when it
first hits? Yeah, I don't. I don't like when it's
in the root.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I don't like being blonde to the root, solid like
fresh shake a little dark root situation. And right now
it's blonde to the root. And also she put a
rose gold on it, and it just it's just not
it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Doing it for me. I'm gonna have to see it
underneath it. What are you gonna call this one? This
is Erica? This looks like old me? Okay, doesn't it?
You know what I was thinking about you now that
we're having your wig your wig conversation. I was thinking
about you because yesterday I met my parents at an
old school barbecue and Auntie Viv was there.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Just told me that I'm her niece. You know, I'm Bernie. Now,
I didn't didn't say you knew me? No, I fuck no.
Auntie Viv was chilling playing spades. Also, Tasha was there,
our acting school.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Queen. She was there, she's my dad's friend. And then
also Johnny Gill was there. So I was basically at
the old school Hollywood barbecue and I was having a
good old time. And I left Orlando at home and
I texted him like, damn, there's a lot of food
here and viv Auntie Viv is playing spades. He's like,
you left me? Why would you leave me? I could
be playing spades with Aunti Viv. I was like, too bad,

(02:32):
how sad I'm here? Do you know how to play spades? Hell? No,
I wanna do you know? No? I was like, I've
been taught like twenty two times. Me too, but I
don't know. It doesn't register my brain. I don't you know.
I'm not a drinker. I'm not someone who wants to
drink and talk shit and think I want to dance
and shit. So that's not my it's not my. Oh
my god. And then my fucking drunk ass mom talking

(02:53):
about she knew how to play. I was like, I've
never seen you play spades in the whole thirty eight
years I've known you that she was getting cursed out
because she doesn't really know how to play. For us, yes,
I do. This is cheat it. I was like, you're drunk,
let's go. Oh my God. You know, people played like
take Spade's super super super super serious. But you know,
Auntie Viv had a little bun on and I was like,
look at Anti Viv or Auntie viv pony on. But

(03:14):
it was it was a nice little black backyarded barbecue
with all the food you could think of. But I
literally was like, I literally thought about you and your
your your wigs, your collection of wigs. Is every time
you put on a wig, you always talk about Anti
Viv's ponytails.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
No, I had a full wig. I had a full
Auntie Viv wig back when.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I was to New York. And if she did, she
had like a line of wigs.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think she still has a wig wine, but I
looked like an Auntie and when I put it on
at twenty seven years old. So no, I want to
see her new movie. Though you've seen previous for her
movie is God is you haven't?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I don't think. So what is it about? Is it
a Tyler Perry?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh, it's the no is Tyler Perry. No, it's about
two sisters who are out for revenge and one of
them is like all burned on their face, like she
has her face is like totally totally disfigured. And and
Vivica plays their mom, and she's like, the preview is crazy.
I the preview was like, the girls go visit her

(04:14):
and she's in bed, and like you, she's revealed and
she's totally like she's been burned severely, like she's healed,
but she's fucked up. And basically their dad was abusive,
and I guess the final thing that he did was
just disfigure his wife, their mother, and now these two
daughters and and and the daughter.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh both of them got Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I mean I don't really know the whole storyline, but
this is what the preview looks like. Is now they're
out for revenge to go find their dad who did
this and kill him.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh okay like it. Yeah, it looks really good. I'm
into it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I was really happy to see her in it because
it's like it's like an artsy black film.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Like it's gonna kill it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think it's based off a play. So it's based
off a play.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
That's good. Yeah. And now I'm just saying I'm just
like going through all my all my Vivio and like
my favorite moments, thinking like Quentin Tarantino, m m m, yeah,
like like she was awesome.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, I just love how a lot of like Hollywood's
like nineties actresses are having like a revival moment right now,
or like they're finally getting like the respect that they
deserve or being casted in films that aren't just like
the same. Like you never would have thought you would
have seen Vivica as a burn victim, you know, in
like an edgy, campy horror film.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean, but you know, I think a little bit
on like her and her set it off that kind
of like Primes Us for like and also Kill Bill
like Killer I Vivica too, like she's still had in
that realm. But I mean like then she kind of
like she kind of like fell off. Well it's because
fifty cent dragon her, because fifty cents a fucking.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
App But that's what I mean, Like women and black
women in Hollywood don't get a lot of grace, like
they kind of like gotta let she cool off for
a second and for a year.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, I mean, and like you know, even like Nil.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Long, like she obviously like hasn't everyone's always loved ni
al Long, but like you don't see her a lot
of films, yes, we've seen her obviously in like the
Natty Professor.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, that's no, not Professor o' the Best Man. No.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
She did another movie with Martin Lawrence, Big Mama's House,
and you know she's but I just love how, like,
you know, now she's in the Michael Jackson film and
she's getting that notoriety and like you know, potentially maybe
would be nominated for maybe an Oscar who knows.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
But I just I like that I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Seeing these women that we grew up watching like kind
of having a big, a big moment right now.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. And you know, and now that you say that
about Nayalal, like yes, she did the Big Mama's House,
Siri or whatever, but uh, to see her cast it
as Michael Jackson's mom, like our icons are like getting
older and so they're getting like these roles because when
I saw I didn't realize she was the mom and
I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I guess so because

(06:50):
it's like young Michael's mom. But I'm like, oh, it's
like it's interesting to be in the audience watching our
faves get this like these these later that you know,
she was the pyt in Fresh Prince, so it's interesting
to like, yeah, to visual like to see it. I
literally when I was at the barbecue and I was
like I didn't notice, Like it was difficult at first,

(07:11):
and then I was like, damn, Like I really thought
about how much she did have to like chill out
and how fucked up and mean the world was to her,
like on the count of fifty cent and like how
what a fucking asshole fifty cent is? And like also
because he's a sensitive cancer and I just like he's
just a sensitive boy and he's just like acting out,
but like just being mean for years, Like how do

(07:34):
you be the fucking internet bully for years and you're
like fifty years old?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Because men love it. Men love to see grown men
be mean to women. They do, you know. And women
aren't doing it about it either. They're joining it and
peaking behind it, you know, especially when it's about a
beautiful woman. I mean, we're seeing how fifty cents you know,
handling this whole you know, Daphne joy thing with that's

(08:00):
you know, her sex tape being leaked in the news
or whatever on Vlad TV. Who God, his karma's gonna
be so fucked up. He's gonna oh, he's so gross.
But I but like just I just feel like what
beautiful women like Vivica, Like, Okay, I'm not gonna put
Daphne maybe in the same realm of Vivica, right, They're

(08:20):
totally two different people with totally like Vicause, successful actress,
but still like, I just see so often like beautiful
women being penalized.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
And I don't know, we can talk.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
We can call it pretty privileged, whatever you want to
call it, pretty pretty punishment.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You think there's something that men genuinely enjoy about dragging
a woman who is highly sought after, like like versus
like a woman who they may think is less traditionally beautiful, Like, yeah,
it's more fulfilling to like fuck her that bitch. Now
she's gonna drag She's not cute anymore. I mean I think, yeah,
of course there is. Yeah. And also I think like

(08:58):
the part of Daphane is like also and Vivica like
being sexual beings. Because there was a time like Vivica
was outside with fifty cent he was like taking her
to awards and then something switched up. But like, do
women love the downfall of beautiful do men love the
downfall of beautiful women? Like the collapse in the downfall
to see, Like I don't know, it's almost like they

(09:19):
enjoy throwing them away so shaming, like you know what
it is, I see. I think I think a lot
of grown men who secretly or not so secretly hate
women all have this like this this villain origin story
where they were a kid and they saw their mom
or their aunt or their ex girlfriend in the sixth
grade cheat on them, and now they hate all women

(09:41):
and now they think all women are hoes and all
women are users, and now like as soon as shit
like that happens, it's like told you, it's like it's
like it like affirms all of their childhood, like our
new bitches weren't shit. Okay, Well, I never understood why
women can never like come back from that.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I feel like a less attractive woman would have a
better chance. Why though, because it's I don't know, because
it's easier to want to hate on the more beautiful woman.
Like I mean, I think historically, beautiful women have been underestimated,
like they like, they have been downplayed. They have been

(10:23):
considered the slut in the story, even if they didn't spread.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Their legs at all.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's just this assumption that you know, because they are
beautiful and there's this light on them and people are
attracted to them, that everyone has access to them, and
you know, it's just it's more fun.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It's more fun to throw and shiny to.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
To have the person that was this high up on
the pedestal to be knocked off is a lot more
entertaining than the bitch who's like maybe on the medium
pedestal that gets knocked off, Like, no, no one cares
about that story.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
They want the bitch that's on the top that gets.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Sucked up, you know, like there's no it's just it's
not as entertaining, it's not as fulfilling, and it doesn't
feed whatever insecurity is. It's it's it's feeding for whoever
is doing the knocking off. And then the fun part
is is like some women never recover, like some women
literally knows don't recover, and even if they do recover publicly,
there are still parts of them that are tied to that,

(11:13):
like intense criticism or the intense Like when I saw
that video of Daphni or whatever, I was like, this
is fucked up because I saw that fifty cent like
commented on it or said something about like his son
is going to eighth grade, Like this isn't acceptable.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's like, first of all, fifty cent beat her ass
like years ago beat her ass. So it's like the
fucking audacity of you to a promote this be like
come at me publicly and then bring my child into
it when like this could have been anybody. Let's be real, But.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I mean, is it really audacity. I mean, at this point,
it's not audacity.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
This is what he This is normal because everybody allows it.
But you know, he doesn't even have to have audacity
about it. It's just is. But that's what It's so
disappointing that as a society doesn't see this and think
this is fucked up and they think, oh yeah, that
whole I'm like, literally, no one is really commenting on
p Diddy outside of his anatomy, but like not negatively
outside of that, which is a whole other We.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Talked about this like months ago, where we talked about it,
and he's gonna recover from this.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
We're already seeing it happen.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
We're already seeing how like things are getting spun to
the other side, the victim blaming and like even with
someone like Daphni.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Like, you know, I already know what the meant.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I don't even have to read the comments because I
recently saw a video of Daphni and she was like
in her apartment doing like sexy sexy videos in lingerie
and shit. So the timing of this couldn't even be
more worse because now niggas are gonna be like, see,
this is a whole ar she's you know, it's like
it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
But also they're also like obsessed with her and like
look at her and like, you know, put her. I
don't understand, like do you love the hose or do
you hate them both? Because when you see the bitches
you like, sexy bitch do sex, then it's like, oh no,
she's doing sex, even though I like a sexy bitch,
dub sexy bitches do sex. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I feel really bad for her actually, you know, because
at the end of the day, like, hey, she's a
human number one too.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, she is a mother and her and her child
is at.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
The age where like his peers can come up are
going to come up to him and make fun of
him like this impacts so much more than like you
liking and leaving a comment under the picture, like making
fun of a woman that's going through something like this,
because if the shoe was on the other foot and
it was you or your sister or your mother, like
you would feel differently.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I was thinking like if I had a this.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Was me, and like people were like just going to
look at it just because just because like just out
of curiosity, maybe not even to talk shit. It just
is it just feels like a violation, and you know
this was something that was done, like well what She
came out and made a statement basically and said that like,
first of all, the video being recorded she didn't consent to.

(13:53):
And then I guess another company years ago had tried
with someone had tried to blackmail her with the video
they had. They tried to get money from her, She
wouldn't give it to them, She ended up giving They
ended up selling it to a company. They reached out
to her for a comment and then realized it was
revenge porn and then they backed off of it and
so they didn't ever post it. And she was saying

(14:14):
how she was grateful that they they understood that this
was ethically wrong. And so now that this is coming
up again, how much emotion it's bringing up for her
because like she was she was basically not her like
on drugs during this time with Diddy, like didn't really
know what was going on. Doesn't recognize who this person

(14:36):
was at the time and whether or not she she
was on drugs or not, like even if she was,
even if it was consented to, this was a private,
private moment between a fucking adult and.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, you know, so like we care what they did.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's not your job to judge whether she's a sled
or a whore or whatever. Like all y'all do weird
shit behind clothes.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Was plenty of people were doing freaky shit behind closed
doors or just happen to not be fucking ditty and
not be have a following. And maybe you're not doing
it with you don't have enough money to do it
with the third party or whatever freaking shit there had
going on over there. But the fact that we are
openly chastising a woman for having sex with the managers
dating at the time, and however way you fashion form
you're doing it, it's just so juvenile. It's like a

(15:20):
reading high school. Obviously we are Yeah, I mean it's
it's it's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know does this does this type of situation
ever make you feel like not filming, like worry about
the things that you filmed or if you if they
were leaked, would you just stand ten toes down in it?
Because like it's one thing to be like, yeah, I
did it, I look good. Fuck, But when then like
the apps, like the attacks, and like I mean, I
would imagine it would be challenging.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Women who like I'm just even thinking about Corinne, you
know what I mean. Like there it's just like it's
like a scarlet letter. It never goes away. It's like
you're going to be marked for the rest of your life.
And I see, like I see how that affects women,
Like how you have to show up with like so
much guard up and like on defense, and like how
you feel just like maybe walking into a room not

(16:10):
knowing who recognizes you and from where if there's whispering
about you, Like that's a level of fucking anxiety that
I can't even imagine. And like, I mean, I don't
feel like I'm famous enough for anybody to pop up
a video of me. I mean, I just that would be.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean it would have until this, until you did
something freaky and effort to go viral. It doesn't even
matter who you are, you just did some freak as
shit and now it's on the internet.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well I think I think that is where a lot
of my sympathy comes in. Like, I good, seeing I
didn't run into ditty when I was nineteen, I would
very well be like, okay, sure whatever. I can totally
see myself as a thirty and below woman on a
good Friday. I mean, like, did he invite us to
the party? Were going? Like, I can see how any

(16:50):
fucking young woman could get into this scenario. I've probably
been in, not in this exact form or fashion, in
a lot of different ways. And so I have a
lot of people and bitches, a lot of people have
just somewhere shit when you're young and dumb and drunk
and at a party or whatever the fuck, but it
doesn't get filmed. But so it's just like I have
I have sympathy for it because I know how easily
it is for a nigga and a good night and

(17:11):
like all types of things to go totally left. And
then now that one good night is now or whatever
night is now public for everyone to dissect. Fucking a
decade later, and let's talk.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
About the time, because the times have changed since, like
recording videos in two thousand and seven versus recording a
video in two thousand and fucking twenty six, you know,
like the speed in which things get discovered, the way
like just all of it, the way things share pop screwed,
deep fakes, I mean, weepm. We potentially could have deep

(17:45):
fakes on the internet. We might be on porn sites
bitch okay with our faces. Yeah, that's it's very possible.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So if I have a real whatever comes up, it's
gonna be like, that's a deep fake. I'm gonna be like,
that's not even me. You guys are dumb.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
But like this, this makes me really think about like
how we talk about this type of stuff with our kids.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I know, because I realized, like us having this conversation
with our kids is so much more serious than it
is than it was for us, because the likelihood of
us being in fucking four K is very low. But
with our kids it's like, I mean, even in what's
the show we were watching with Zosia Forever Forever, Yeah,

(18:26):
when she has that like sex tape, Like it reminded me, like,
oh yeah, like you make a mistake now in high
school or junior high the mistakes we are likely making,
But now there's the possibility of being at a party
and someone filming it. It takes that to an entire
different level. So like the seriousness of your sexuality being
shared as a teenager right now is so different than

(18:47):
what we experience. And I don't know about you guys,
but fucking fourteen to twenty four, I was pouring out
on a big, large scale just because my hormones were raging.
And like having to explain that to a kid who
hasn't like probably fully seen the scope of how detrimental
this shit could be is like you must listen to me.

(19:09):
Don't let anyone do anything stupid.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I know because my mom never had a conversation with
me about not being filmed, Like that wasn't even a thought.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Like about like not writing shit down and not taking pictures,
like don't ever take pictures. You wouldn't want anyone else
to see my mom. My mom never had I don't.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I mean, granted, my memory is not great, but I
don't I don't recall my mom ever talking my mom
was like more so worried about my fucking diary, and
then it was like my than like my photographic evideny
and also like I well, I guess I did have
a phone in sixth grade, but it was like a
no Kia. It was playing like snake and like barely

(19:45):
technical track.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
There's no color text. There wasn't even a camera.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
No no, even like I was thinking about in college,
like the Sidekick that didn't even have a camera either.
I had the Razor, but the Black even have a camera.
None of these things had cameras. We had a separate
we had an actual camera, and then we had a phone.
So like you know, my mom might have been looking
through my text message. She probably should have been looking
through my camera time.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
But then we weren't doing like the era of like
the selfies, like taking sexy pictures like you were fully clothed.
I don't remember taking any sexy nudes and sending them
to anyone in my razor fucking freshman year of college days. No,
because we weren't so fucking obsessed with ourselves. Yet we're
in the era of like self obsession, so many fucking selfies.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
The other day I was I went I was outside
and like I must have caught the light and I
was like, oh, I know, I'm gonna take a picture
of myself. And I'm out on the fucking corner of
a busy street to take snapping selfies of myself and
I'm like, this is fucking dumb. I was like, what
am I doing. I'm like, this is and I still
did it. And I still did it and asked me
if I've posted it, No, because it's just I haven't

(20:52):
a thousand thousand selfies in my phone with not one post.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
The self obsession era is something like that should be studied,
because I always think about that, like if you could
go back in time, Like if we could go back
and place ourselves twenty years in the future and look
around and be like, what the fuck is everybody doing?
Like sometimes I look in a room and I'm like
everyone's looking down at their phones, or like even at
like a club or a bar, and everyone's like taking pictures,

(21:17):
And I'm like, can you imagine us coming to the
future twenty five years ago and being like, what in
the fuck is going on? Like the self obsession has
increased so consistently on such a high level that we
didn't realize that we've normalized it. But there was a
time where people were not in the streets just like
it's so fucking dumb. It's crazy. Yeah, and it's scary,

(21:38):
and we do have girls. And the fact of the
matter is a dick slip or a guy fucking on
camera has nowhere near this same heaviness and the weight
of a woman at any age, fucking on camera at
any age. Yeah. No, poor girl, poor baby. I mean yeah,
I hope that you have to be strong to endure

(22:00):
like this, this society and what they consider like the
norm of like just disrespecting women, even just this post
that we posted last week of fucking Sarah Fonton not
I just the comments are crazy, like we're ran through.
Oh I saw like the birds or wait, we were

(22:22):
promoting whole culture. I was like, whole culture. That's new.
I haven't heard that we've promoted whole culture.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
What is the what's the I was waiting for the
specific quote and then it finally hit. I was waiting
for a man to say this, and he did, and
then I was like, I was waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
What is it a hit? A hit?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Dog?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
What is it a hit? Dog will holler, yeah it's
gonna and I was just you know, or that we're
ran through. I see that a lot, because you're ran
through or like also like because no one will wife you.
And then you know, the other thing is is a
bunch of mediocre man saying no real men will watch you.
And I'm looking at these bias like, nigga, I would
never never like, who are you talking to me? Talking?
Are you crazy? Nigga? Like it's always the most uneligible,

(23:00):
the fucking niggas on the internet talking about no real man,
no high value man will want you. Well, nigga, you
wouldn't know. It's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean, those type of clips really expose the
men and the hatred they have for women.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
And also really expose women.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
And granted, listen, everyone's allowed to have their own opinion
around like what they view as as valuable. Everyone has
their own you know, traumas and triggers around their second
child and what they wish they would have done better
and what they wish they knew and maybe they did
need a sarahont To not yelling at them telling them
don't fucking do this shit again. I mean, but I

(23:39):
would say, like I'm I'm generally speaking to the woman
that is accountable, the woman that is actively trying to
learn from her actions. I'm not discarding those other women,
because they matter too, and actually Sarah's discarding them. But
I will say, like most women that I've had either

(24:01):
multiple children in one marriage or maybe like had a relation,
got married young, had a baby, then maybe got married again,
had another child, it didn't work out. You know, there's
so many layers to how you become a baby mama
twice multiple yeah, you know, and it doesn't mean that
you didn't do the work, and it doesn't mean that
you know, there's a lot of factors involved, including the man.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Right. Was there any comments about the men nowhere? You know?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
And I just think, I think what we're really seeing
is how people do not give a fuck about the
whole human, the whole version of a woman. They want
to sequester off these certain parts of us and then
judge us from there. And the argument that at least
I was trying to make was just that like there,

(24:50):
this is so nuanced, Like even the women in the
comments were like, I'm I was married for like fifteen years,
I got four kids, and I'm divorced now and I
got four kids, so it's different.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Like but that's the thing, like the normalization of the
word play, like it's the same ship just because she
had a paper.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's just like, how many dicks did you create with?
It's frivolous with your body, how many dicks did you
create with?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
You know? How many mistakes did you make? You know?
And when people are making hell making mistakes every day,
except now you have this visual representation of how I've
made a mistake because I have a child to show
for it.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, but you know, I just like generally the woman
who I'm speaking about, who is like a self aware
and like it's learning and trying her best, Like generally
isn't like isn't so absent minded that they're just out
here just willy nilly with their fucking pussy Like they've
either been in love and that person was in love

(25:47):
with them, have made false promises, or.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
She just didn't work out twice or three times or
for it just it's life.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, you know, And I like I've and and be
And it's true that perhaps as your wife value goes down, Yes,
because we live in a patriarchal society and it's not
your wife value goes down in in under the eyes
of God and fucking Jesus, right, because well that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's like you you do. But but that's what they're
all talking to about religion. I said a lot of
God coming in and according to the Bible, and it's like,
nowhere the Bible says anything like actually that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Actually no, God actually would say this is a It
would still love you and say that you're worthy.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, this is the thing, is like you as man,
if you are Christians like you say you are, and
that's the common and that's your argument is like, then
you know that it is not up to you to
judge anyone, and that God has made all of his
creations equal. There's no lack of love or worthiness based
on what you've done. That's literally the message of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth is that you are his love worthy worthy.

(26:49):
I know all the Christian songs about worthiness, but but
this is the problem. And this is what I was like,
this is why I was so confused that everybody totally
missed the whole. Like what we're fucking saying is like
you're talking about wife value. And then she talks about
like socially, let's be honest, society wise, men prefer women

(27:09):
with less children, or men prefer women with less baby daddies.
And it's like when you do that, when you when
you allow yourself to meet the status quo or like
appease society, you're appeasing like the social norm, right, but
you were not acknowledging like society. The social norm is

(27:30):
like broken, it's super broken. It's it's big yperpetuating. It's
based in sexism, it's based in patriarchy, it's based in racism. Systematically,
we live in America, like we live within a system
that places us at the bottom as black people. So
when black folks talk about socially or society says that,
you're not like, this is hall, this has been this

(27:52):
has been created, this guys. And when people were like
asking why we're talking about black women because black women
suffer from these rhetorics.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
And let's and she's talking to black First of all,
we're all black, her audience is black. I've never heard
a white bitch ever talking aboutout no fucking sarahont To not.
So let's be clear, we know who she's talking about
let's stop acting like we're not talking about black women. Also,
if you watch the full clip she talks, she's saying
black women. This was a clip we can only put
in for sixty seconds, so yes, she is talking about

(28:20):
black women. And so it's it's just the society. The
structure was not made for us. And if we keep
going along with what society says, society also said slavery
was okay.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
So that's what I'm saying. It's like we at some
point when you see something is wrong just because man said, oh, well,
a woman sleeps with this many people, it's bad, and
if a man's this many people, it's good. Because society
says so, then we could form ourselves over and over
again to fit these social standards, then no one breaks
out of them. I am not living my life or
my pussy's life based on social standards. And to be honest,

(28:54):
I'm not society. I'm not a normal bitch. So my
high value men is not a man of the norm.
I don't want an average nigga that believes average shit
and believes he could fuck every bitch. And if I
fucked three niggas, then I'm ran through. Absolutely not if
you don't have the wherewithal and the fucking intelligence and
the basic intelligence of humanity and understanding someone in their
full form. No, my nigga, you're a my dad. You

(29:17):
were absolutely not be my man because I don't want
a social status quo as society, nigga. I need you
to step outside of the box because as a unit,
we need to be pushing the envelope to something more intelligent.
And if that is not where you like, that's not
your mom. I will absolutely not be the bitch for you,
because you will absolutely be stuck in this mind frame

(29:40):
that whatever they've built for us socially is acceptable and
it's just not and I won't accept it. Amen. And
itch is a term of endearment, So Sarah, if you
want to come sit on the couch. I call everyone bitches.
I call I was saying this. I call everyone bitches
except my mom.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Literally everyone can get a bitch for me, best friend,
my non best friend, even my gay best sie. I finally,
just I finally was like, smash it. I'm sorry I
keep calling you bitch, but that's because this is my language,
you know, and bitch is my first language.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I'm your bitch. I'm like, I know, bitch. Speaking of which,
Happy Pride Month as a formerly oh my god, you
just reminded me. I was almost I almost said as
a formal lesbian, a former lesbian, I fell in love
over the weekend with a lesbian Yeah, really, oh my god. Yeah.
She was so cute, but she was like a little

(30:31):
young soft stud. But I was like, I was in love.
But I was like, I think have it on video.
I was like hot, Like do you like guys? She's like, yeah,
I'm not opposed to it, like I'm queer. I was like, real,
where did you meet this girl? My favorite place in
the world the Well. Oh god, Eric's making fun of
me because I want to go to the old school

(30:52):
club in Hollywood, the Well where they have all the
good music but maybe some old niggas. But that's not
Maybe it's only only forty three and up at that place, Erica,
we're right there.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
You don't want to go to place where you're the
pyt or not. I'm not forty three, and when i am,
I don't think i'll be there either.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, I'm gonna write this down because you will, hopefully
we won't be in the United States, but the well
is fun. Anyway, I found a young, little hot thing
at the well and I thought I wasn't paying attention
to her, and then she started looking at me, and
I was like, look at this little lesbian looking at me.
So I started talking to her and then I was
priming her for my girlfriend status and she was just
like your wife status, like my mom a little side bitch.

(31:32):
Oh okay, IoT, like you were gonna tell her your wife.
I did tell her was a wife. Oh, and she's like,
oh man. I was like, oh, it's okay. And I
was just really trying to see where her head was at.
And then I got got outside in the park and
I was like, Orlando, I found as a girlfriend. And
then I was like trying to get her come over.
But I might have get a little too aggressive so
she didn't come. But I just want you to know
that I might be on my way to my new

(31:53):
lesbian lifestyle. I might be back into month the lb
LBT is she wait, is it a lesbian or threesome situation?
Because she likes stick also, or she doesn't like that
I am married. I can't ever be in a lesbian situation.
I always have to include my husband okay, Psa, I'm
not Pollie. We're not open and we're not Polly. Okay,
we're monogamous. So there's no I can't have a girlfriend.

(32:14):
And I didn't even think I really wanted a girlfriend.
I told her. I was like, I used to be
a lesbian, but I usually don't feel called. And she's like,
are you feeling called? And I was like, I'm feeling called,
and like I gently kissed her at the end of
the night. She's like, kiss me on my lips, and
I'll say and then I couldn't wait to get the
park and I'm like, Orlando, I found it's a girlfriend.
And then she kissed me on my mouth very gently.
He's like, you fucking bitch. I was like, I had
to do it this for us, but anyway, I just

(32:37):
remember it's June, so I'm bringing my pride back out
and I'll let you know if this carries on until
next week, maybe all months, you know, all months, you
know what effort, all months my birthday. I might as
well get a girlfriend for June. I'll let you know
if she ever gets unterrified. And she was like, I'm scared.
I was like why. She was like, I just realized
who I'm talking to, and I was like, who's that.

(32:57):
She's like a devourer And.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I was like, you love a challenge, only you would
get a fucking stoff soft stud that maybe doesn't like
dick and try to bring her into your husband.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Jamaican husband said, she's a beautiful, feminine woman who dresses
maybe androgynists on Thursdays. But I do like a challenge.
And also, I mean I might just be like, you know,
entertained for this week, but it was fun for the moment.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
My friend we were talking about flirting as bisexual women
and flirting.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
As bisexual women, and she was like, oh my god, girl.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
When we were talking about this the other day, guess
what I got fed or real by a girl who
has who does bisexual content and teaches people how to
be bisexual.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I was like, what that teaches people? You can have
call you could be an expert on anything these days.
She had really good tips over the tips. So first
of all, she stole the name of our party. It's
like by the Way podcast or some fucking shit. Okay.
I was like, wow, all right, now she stole the
name of our parties.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, for those who are new here, me and my
friends were starting a party called by the Way, by
the Way, La by the Way, New York, and it's
specifically for bisexual.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
If you're a partner now, but then I'm such, I'm not.
I'm not even by why either weekend You're bye, I'm
by You're bye.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
W I like I I you know, I like I
had like women open on this dating app and they've
been like messaging me, and I just get so uninterested so.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Fast that there's just literally not a chance in hell
it's going to happen on an app. It's just not
like I really need someone to be aggressive, you know,
like I'm not about to flirt with you.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I'm not gonna aggress you. I'm not about to be
like courting you in the fucking texts.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Whitch. No.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
So anyway, in this content that she sent me, step
one was the obvious like if you are not obvious, like,
no one's gonna know.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like it's not obvious, you're obvious.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So she said, so it's touch the hand or touch
the arm, like don't be aggressive, like don't touch your
face because I was Nearlin yesterday and she was like,
why can't maybe I just touch her face? Like this,
and I was like, first of all, but just don't
like their face touched Nerland, stop, just touch a hand
maybe like just linger a little bit. Oh and then
Nearland's sister, who's a lesbian, was like kind of putting
us on on game and she's like, yeah, you just

(35:14):
gotta like leave your hand on the arm just one
second longer.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Do not Nerolnd's little sister teaching you how to be by.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Because Nearland wants us to go to Chikea Bonita, maybe
we should all go. And she keep Neirland's sister's bar
that she works at, and we have gay bar downtown.
Oh downtown, Yeah, you need to go there and try
our lesbian and.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
They have dance, they have like but chata night, they
have all types of nights they have. Yeah. But when
I was looking at the content, it just didn't appeal
to me that lesbians didn't know. I was just like
it looks cute, Like I'm the esthetic looks cute.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
But the more I'm getting into Pride Month and like
you know, it's like they're really starting to come out,
I'm like I'm like going, I'm like hiding.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm like, you know that meme like the Simpsons when
he like disappears into the bush. That's me. You're a
lesbian until real lesbians show up. Yeah, so that was
step one. Step two was to join this app called her.
Have you heard of her? Nomer'm not I'm not lesbian
enough for this, but okay, well.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Maybe you are because this is her is for bisexuals,
so maybe you could. Orlando could find a girl in
there her. This is not an ad, by the way,
her number three was Wait, what was the third one?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I can't remember. Yeah, I'm trying to find a picture
so I can show you my new girlfriend. I've been
like texting her like, good morning, how's your day going?
And Orlando said we could take her on a date.
So I'm really as soon as she gets her, as
soon as she gets unscared, it's going to go down. Okay,
I'm totally opposed to being Polly. One week later, finds

(36:45):
one twenty seven year old. I'm like, maybe she's twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I don't know, But are you not jealous because she
doesn't really like Dick like that, Like, what's what's the
what's the thing?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Because that's always been I'm not really jealous, it's just bitch.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
The amount of time you have called yourself jealous on
this podcast, and now you're telling you literally said it
like last week.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
What are you talking about now, you're not jealous. Let
me be clear, I'm not jealous. I'm I have discernment.
I am like men and you because you are lesbian,
you can't see the full scope of everything. I can
look at a situation and be like, m this is
the math is not mathing. So if it's someone who's

(37:25):
around all the time, someone who's my friend, and someone
who's like I don't have to that is gonna get sticky.
That's you know, no. But if it's someone that I
meet with the idea that this is what's going down,
I don't really fucking know you. We can invite you
over as we can send you back. It's you're not
gonna be there for fucking birthday parties and Christmas, then
I'm fine. I'm not really jealous. I can as long

(37:46):
as I want to do it. I'm not jealous. I
just don't for shit. But but maybe because she is
isn't like super dick forward that maybe it's a little
bit more comfortable. Maybe that's it. But also it was
another I mean all is because I'm attracted to girls
that are a little bit masked, so it's easy for
me to be like, yeah, that's because you know why
I'm not playing this bisexual game with you bitches. I'm

(38:07):
not fucking lingering. Hey, bitch, do you like me? Let's
go get in the trunk or the back seat. I
don't want to convince like the fine the feminine girls
flirting is confusing. When there's a girl who's obviously a
little lesbian, then we don't have any We don't have
any there's nothing, there's no like gray area. We know
what we're doing. And now that I know that you
like dick, then I can massage you. I was like,

(38:29):
want to see my man? Let me show your picture.
I was in the well showing her picture. I'm like,
this is I'll show you the all of them, but
later anyway, do you want to drink? So yeah, I
actually I have a video. You want to see it? Yeah,
let me see it. Do you want to see my lesbianism? That? I? Oh, yeah,
this is it? Your face? Why are you judging me, bitch?

(39:02):
It's because I found a girlfriend. First.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
She looks like a basketball player, one like one that
you you know, no bitch like she plays.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Basketball because she's a little lesbian. She plays stereotypical. That's
a lot of gums. Shut up, give me, give me
my girlfriend back.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
That's a lot of baby here to cover that forehead. Okay,
so this is why I can't do girls. I'm too judgmental.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Why would you talk about her like this? Because sharing
my life with you and this is how you repay me.
Oh my god, I'm sorry, baby, all right? And then
I was like feeling up underneath her flannels. I was like,
I want to see what she got underneath that I
can feel like this is a fatty. I was like, yeah,
that will do yeap? Is she like like a full

(39:41):
foot taller than you? Does she make you feel petite?
She's twenty nine, that's another thing. What did you have
to do with her fucking height. She came behind me
and I was like, she's she's a little thing, like
I don't I need I need a little more meat.
But whatever, we'll just see what we're gonna do with that.
I gotta see your naked. I literally told her, I
got to see you with all these clothes on, because
I could feel some Does she have an Instagram? Can
you see I found but you know what, that's the

(40:02):
thing like I found on Instagram and I'm like, let
me get off the answer before I stop liking you,
before it's too like, before I get to where I'm going,
Let me, my man, let me Why would you not
want to get to Why would you not want to
stop before you get to where you're going? Because we're
women and we're highly critical, and so you want to
just fuck your way through through it. And no, I
don't want to. I don't. I don't need to know
all your traumas. I don't need to dissect you. I

(40:23):
just need to see you at night in the red light,
like I don't need to, Like, we don't need I
don't need to. Women have this thing where we're like,
oh god, she's not that confident, Oh god, she's she's gums,
like bitch, everybody's gums.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I mean, I'm judging women how I judge well, maybe not,
maybe worse. I'm judging women how I judge men? Like
why am I gonna give you more grace whether or
not I'm gonna put my fucking mouth on your pussy?
I really want to know what if I think you're
attractive or not. I want to make sure I like
you before I do all that.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Just like the same with a guy, I want to
like you, but also like with women, I'm just gonna
find guy I can get I'm too psychic. I'm gonna
get to know you too fast. I just need I
needed to like the illusion to stay the same. I
don't need to like know everything about you, because then
I'm gonna be judging you. Wait, I found Okay, Actually
I don't want you to look at this. Actually, let
me just put it on mute. Maybe no, I hate it? Actually, yeah,

(41:15):
I just yeah, it's too hard. Whomen are you? It's women?
Are you picky? That's the problem, go perfect. I can
never I can never get to know her until I
have a podcast. Just in case she listens to this episode.
Did you know you have a podcast? No, sheouldn't have
anything about me. Okay, that's good. But now she can
never know anything about me. She's a little fan. Oh
she looks cute there. Yeah, she was cute there. Anyway,

(41:45):
I'll keep you guys posted on my lesbian lifestyles that
I'm going I'm re embarking on. I've been I've been
brought out of the closet, so well, I'm rescinding them.
I think you're releasing it. I'm rescinding my I don't know,
I have I have girls in here, and I'm is
it on field or is it on her? You got
you're on her? No, I'm not on her. No, it's
another app But.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I showed Sebastian and he was like, ah, she like
she talked too much, she like she got an opinion
about everything.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I could just tell. And then wait.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Then I Showednirlan and she he was and I showed
her the picture and she was like, oh, she's cute.
And then there was this picture and I was like,
this is the one where she looked like she talked
too much.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
And she was like she like she does much. I
was like, how the fuck? Why are we both know
these photos? What in the fucking ladies and gentlemen women
criticized women observing women is just not good? Why would
anyone say something like that? What does that even mean?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
She was like, she likes she has a white mom,
she talks white. And I was like, well, you know,
now I want to see this. Now I want to
see the picture because what the fuck? Wait then wait,
let me show you this photo because let me tell you,
this photo, this main photo of her. I didn't realize
what was happening in it until yesterday. And this me
and her have been talking for like maybe two weeks,

(42:57):
like very minimal.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Are I think lesbian conversations for two weeks? I meet
one girl on Saturday. I tell you immediately, it's Monday.
I'm a scorpion. I tell everybody everything.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
And I didn't notice this photo until yesterday when someone
pointed it out, and I was like, how the fuck
did I ignore the bottom half of this photo the
whole time?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
It's her main photo? You ready, Erica, do you see
the Why is this little dog in here like that?
Why is that a little puppy?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Why is she dressed like this is a holiday photo?
It looks like it's a Christmas holiday photo? And she
has the tiniest little chi wahwa.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
In the corner. You've been talking to her for two weeks?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
This is this is the one where she said she
like she has a lot of it page. I don't
know which the fush out the fuck up? Guys? She know,
you know, you know it's true, she does. Is that
the same woman? I don't know it's the filters, the filters.
The filters are filtering. Anyway, Yeah, anyway, week seven and

(43:58):
they and then she says a lot, talks a lot.
What did she say? She's just it's been a beautiful week,
hasn't it? Hasn't it? Bitch? I was working all weekend
and now I'm a happy hour with a friend. You
know what, But I remember your long weekend. She's just
asking too many questions. I remember about my single, my singleness.

(44:20):
I don't want to do a lot of chatting. I
want you to pick me up. I want to go out.
I want to see you in a human because like
all the fucking isn't a nice weekend, bitch, No, it's not.
I need to know in person if I like you,
so we could stop playing this game. Even the girl,
even though I did try to bring her home that
night and she was not with it.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What I'm realizing with me and women is the spontanet.
It's a spontaneity, because that's how my first situation happened.
Like it was like, Okay, I'm gonna give up on
this earring. It was like very in the moment, like
it was kind of weird, like I was driving and
like it was COVID and what do you mean the
girl that I kind of hud for a while, like

(44:58):
she COVID.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Weird things happen. It was a weird time.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
It was a weird time, and I just happened to
be like in the streets just roaming around. What the
fuck I was doing because there's nothing was over. It
was like a rainy, rainy night, and we were like
we had already been talking in the app and she
was just like come over and I was like, okay,
fuck it, Like that's what that's the energy I need.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I can't do all this fucking non nonsensical talking. You
just gonna be my homegirl and then I'm gonna be
over it. I don't want to do all.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I have twenty thousand homegirls. I don't need another homegirl.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's true. If you want to be a bisexual, you
got to act on it immediately before the But I
already have friends. You know what, When you're by and
you like nigga, I feel like a nigger, Like I
don't need no friends. I don't even neverize if you
come by my housard too. You know what it is, bitch,
You know what you know what time it is. I'm
trying get those panties. Don't try to talk. But I
feel like you have too much time to be like, oh,

(45:50):
this is my homegirl, but if you go straight to
the pussy, then you're like, no homegirl over here. And
then but like, I don't want to fucking get to
know you. You're right, we have too many homegirls. We're
in chat all day with our homegirls. Yeah, be chatting
with YouTube bitch.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I'm literally chatting at the homegirls. I'm chatting with my
tribe and the discord. I'll like, do was talk to women?
You think I want to talk to YouTube bitch? No?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
What that mouth do? Just shut up. I told you
you can't do a lot of talking. God. Am I
a chauvinistical chauvin bisexual? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Damn I'm toxic a little bit. I'm a toxic Bye Scorpio.
A toxic Bye is crazy. I know I've felt that, Like,
am I toxic too? Because I just kind of want
to Like, she's so young and cute. I just want
to devour her, and I was like, let her be,
let her, let her go.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
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Bad mom not a bad mom, but a bad mom
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Speaker 1 (47:30):
So good morning.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Not sure how bad this is, but I had someone
on my podcast recently and we ended up kind of
developing an unexpected connection. We went out of town last
week and together and then hung out on my birthday
last week. He seems so sweet, but then got real
funny with me when I didn't want to sleep with
him right away. I haven't had sex in like nine
months and decided I wasn't going to be very and
decided I was going to be very intentional about who

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who I let be the next person to share that with.
And we only hung out twice. I was attracted to
him but wanted to work up to that. He also
didn't like how independent I am and that I don't
need him. Moral of the story is to keep podcast
guests as guests.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
We've slept with a couple of podcast guests, right have we, Orlando?
Excuse me, I let one even pussy? Oh same mm hm,
who's a girl? Wait? What else? Wait? I'm trying to
of any guys. I mean, I had you, did you? Did?

(48:31):
I had you? Come on? But did the other damn
bitch just to go through our catalog looking for guests.
The fuck? Oh yeah, you first of all must have
not been that directed. It took you five minutes. Okay, yeah,

(48:52):
oh like immediately right, I haven't right, just that one.
That one they fake let you my pissy you had,
you had your ex on the you had other ex.
You had what's his name? Not Wild Bay Adventure bae.

(49:13):
I don't count. He's not really a guess. Yes, oh
my god, that was public humiliation. I can't believe he
did that. You guys, you need to go on Patreon
to see this. One time, this guy I dated aloud
he came on Patreon so I could talk about why
I cheated on him. This is my this is my
I suggested this and she said yes. I couldn't fucking
believe it.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I can't believe he said heyes, what it's dumb as
I was like, Mila, do you think that maybe you
guys should talk to this fucking therapist about she was
a bitch on the internet. She's as much a therapist
as doctor Fonton's doctor, as much as fucking Shy and
Brian's a doctor.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Bitch.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Okay, she's someone who talks a lot, talked to a
lot of people, the studier of people. But yeah, Jamila
cheated on her boyfriend, and then we met this bitch
on the internet who apparently is a relationship expert who's
I don't even know if she's ever even really been
in a relationship that's to be seen or whatever.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
However, she came to my house.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
In my dining room, sat down with Jamila and her boyfriend,
and I I wasn't even a part of this episode.
I closed, I left, I closed the door, and they
had their own private session.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Do you remember that. I was like, my god, I
feel like I tucked you guys in and I walked away.
It was so ridiculous, and I didn't I couldn't say
that his dick sucked. So the whole time, I'm just
fucking lollygagging around the reason why I cheated, which is
like the dick is not dicky, and I just couldn't
say that. And it was just like there were some
issues that we addressed, but we didn't. You know what,

(50:39):
let's put I'm gonna link it here. I'm gonna link
it in this episode. Y'all have to join Patron. It's
worth it. It's the five dollars is fucking worth it.
The fact that Mi Orlando recently, like last year, went
and looked at it and I was cracking the fuck
up because my face the whole time was like I
was like, I'm gonna kill Erica. This bitches not know
what she's talking about. I'm ambushed. And then she's like

(51:01):
she was really bashing me for cheating. I was like,
you don't understand. Wow. We've definitely went through some interesting
seasons on eight years of podcasting, but there's definitely a
couple of guests that I think we smashed.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Sure, I wouldn't recommend don't do don't do ship where
you work. That's not a good example of shitting where
you I don't know why they say that.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Where you sleep, Oh shure, don't shop where you sleep
like yeah, like where you work, like oh oh oh yeah.
But why do you say ship because it cause you
can get into some ship if you do the ship.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I know.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
But that's like I'm visioning me on the toilet and
it's just not said. It's not for you to envision. Okay,
it's just for you to don't do it. Okay. You
also don't sleep with people in your building. Okay, that's
just a good mom tip. That's literally where you sleep. Yeah, No,
it's it's never it's never good idea. Although I haven't
really been good at that.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I slept with the good I'd made my boyfriend my
boss who at my internship turned into me my boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Have you've had a three like a three way? I'm
nasee ta with three girls? Hell bitch, No, No, absolutely
the funck not No. Why would I do that. I
would only do that if a guy was watching. Okay,
my eyes allergy.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
No, I have no interest. I don't like women that much.
That's a lot of vaginas around it.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I don't really. That's the thing is like I really
like penis the warm, fleshy, veiny kind. It's just like
when that girl was like I like I like guys.
I'm like, you doo, we're in for a treat, baby,
because there's like lesbianism without any penis is just like instant,
I don't know, like a cup of noodles with no water.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
The other day Brandon, well, this is the Brandon who's
my gay friend. And oh yeah, that your republican gay friend.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
He is the most I don't know if he's a Republican.
I know, I'm just joking. It's me like conservative, I'm like,
a conservative gay is always appalls me, Like how the
fuck are we both guys? He hasn't always been this.
I love him dearly.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I do too, but he he I don't know how
it came up, but he was asking me if whether
uh I knew like or like knew he was gay
or like, and I.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Was like, guess he's conservative, and I was like what.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
And I was thinking about this as we're entering into
Pride month of just like you know, talking to kids about.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Gay shit and like, you know, how how we do it?
It's you know, I'm like, I never really did it.
I just it just is, you know. But I do
remember that one time we went to, uh where were
we at?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
We're at some like like flea market and Luna was like,
why are you dressed like a girl?

Speaker 1 (53:45):
And I was like, why are you wearing that? Because
he wants to he wants to wear that, because like
you want to wear that, you can wear that, can
whatever you want, Like fucking embarrassing me in front of
my friend. You don't remember who it was? Who wasn't
it's Joe Exclusive, you know. Joke Scoop is like, if
you're from LA, you probably know Joe Exclusive. He's like
a big stylist in LA. And he's been around for

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years and years. Literally since I was in high school.
I've been seeing him outside, but he always wears like
dresses and braids. And she's like, why are you wearing
a dress? I was like, oh my fucking god, this
is Joke Exclusive. Don't disrespect him to been wearing dresses
since the nineties. I just like, I've never had the
gay talk with Iory, Like really, I mean, I've just
like talked about like my sebashion. His boyfriends have been around.

(54:28):
I've talked about like, you know, Subash his boyfriends and
they're in love.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Like maybe maybe I've mentioned it in passing along the way,
but I guess.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It was never like if I did. It wasn't like
this big moment where I was like, oh, got that
out of the way, so glad we did that. Like
it was just like, yeah, parents don't understand, Like, first
of all, if you don't, you really this will only
really be a big deal if you don't have a
diverse group of friends. You don't have any gays in
your group, Like, come on, for diversify. This is big

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problem even if you're like black, like even like having
one white friend or one black friend, like you need
to diversify. So certain things you just like come up naturally.
But yeah, I feel like, not get you a gay friend.
You do, get you a gay friend so you can
avoid the gay talk with your child because it's just normal,
you know. Like and so I said that he could
wear whatever he wants. You like to wear what you
want to wear, He could wear what he wants. And
I told Luna asked me once, who was your boyfriend

(55:19):
before daddy? And I was like, women, I had girlfriends.
She was like, you're lesbian? I said, yeah, she was ill.
I was like, that was it not? Iw I was like, guesh,
she's not lesbian. She was like oh. And then but
you know, one time she had like two barbies and
she was like playing with him, and then she's like stopped, like, mom,
can can the two barbies be married? I was like, sure,

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you can marry whoever you want. She's like, oh, okay,
that was it. I was like, that was easy. And
then recently I told you she was like, my friend
at school told me she's bisexual. And I was like really,
She's like she said she was afraid I was gonna
judge her. I was like, well, did you She was
like no. I was like, how do you feel. She's like,
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, I actually I told me her friend's dad. Her
friend's dad's your friend's dads. Like she's was saying something
about the dads. But she said it so casually that
it was like it wasn't a big deal.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
You know, like wait, Luna came home and told us
that one of the girls in the school, one of
the boys was like, hah, you're gay. And then and
then the boy goes, the girl goes, my mom's are gay?
Oh baby? I me and Orlando and let me start
cracking out. We're like that's the funniest. She was like
I know, it's kind of funny. She was like, she

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was like, it was so sad. She's like, you guys
are gay. She's like, my mom's are gay. She was
like it was kind of funny, but I was like,
our sense of humor as a household is that was
probably devastating for that little girl, Lord Jesus being. And
then also one time Luna came home was like what
a lesbians mean? And I was like, wow, she's like
someone called so and so and so and so lesbians
at school and I was like, it's not even a
bad word. She's like that's what I thought. So it's

(56:50):
just I think if you continuously normalize it in your
lifestyle over a long period of time, but if you
don't have okay, so what do you do if you don't?
I don't think but I don't think there's any avoiding
it now. Like every time I talk to people who
are kids in school or people who work at schools,
like my mom, she's like, there's trance kids, there's all
like I think, I think. I don't think you can
avoid it.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I'm more so asking so if you are someone who's
listening who doesn't have gay friends, like how do you
have that conversation. How do you open up the conversation
about you know, same sex love.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Maybe go to brunch in LeHo, go to drag brunch. Oh,
just like just initiate them and quick. Yeah. I feel
like the younger the better, the sooner the better, because
then they're not like, have you ever seen like a
small white child who's been in rural white areas like
see black people for the first time, they're fucking confused. Actually,
you know what's someone who?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Uh? I don't know if you gonna say it was,
but we know our kids we went to we went
to that in Costa Rica and upstairs they were having
like a drag show and our kids were My daughter
specifically was in it to win it.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Luda has been asking me if we could go to
a dragon fucking.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Loved that drag show so much and they loved her. Okay,
they had were spinning her around and shit. And I
put it on Instagram and someone commented and was like,
don't you think that's kind of weird?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Who was that? Was it? Somebody we know? Yes? Yes?
And I was like weird about what? Like, what's weird
about it? Right? What's weird?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
And That's what I'm saying, is like we're the ones
that make it weird. It's like our kids just see people.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Dressing up and having fun living your lives.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, And it is an opportunity to talk about it
if especially if your child is not immersed at all
and doesn't know anything about it. And I think it
is important because when you do have situations come up,
like that little girl who was saying, my moms are gay,
like she probably would have benefited from an ally who
is able to support her because they understand what that means,
you know, and and the and not necessarily the weight

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that it carries, but kinda so that they can support
moments like that. Because there are probably a lot of
kids and that do have same sex marriage moms that
that have to face that you know, that have to
deal with that. And that's why I think it is important,
especially if you don't have friends around, if you don't
have you know, gay, gay friends, bisexual friends, people in

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the community around you, that you have those conversations, because
it's true.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
It is unavoidable. At this point.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
There's like there's young people, young kids, you know, claiming
their sexuality early, even earlier than ever now. And so
it's like, it's not something that you wait until high
school to have this conversation about. It's something that you
address as early as you can, you know, so that
it's normal and that your child understands that love looks
different for everybody. Do you think that exposure Like and

(59:33):
that's the thing too. And when you said exposure, people
always think if I expose them to it, then I'm
making it in the gay like that's.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Not how gayness works. But but but okay, so like,
for instance, we uh, there was a guy that we know,
but he was saying that his daughter, I think this
is like a while ago at the time, she was
like twelve or thirteen, was coming home saying she was
trance and I was like, really, like this is a
part of the language now, and he was like, I've
seen I've recently looked at his page and she's like

(01:00:02):
totally transit. Yeah. So I'm like it's like I also
my question is is like when you do have exposure
to certain things really early, is there like Okay, maybe
you are like a little tomboy, but now you're like
I'm a boy, Like is it like I don't know,
I mean, obviously you are who you are, But it's
just it's so, what are you saying. I don't know.
I'm asking like that it could be negative, no, negative,
I'm just saying, like even when Luna said her little

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friend said she's bisexual, I'm like, well, how do you know, Like,
at what point does the romantic come in? Because we're
all friends at fucking the certain age, you just attracted
to people as people because there isn't a romantic aspect.
So I'm like, at what point do you accept that
they know that there could be like a romantic aspect
to their attraction to people, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Like, I think they at the same time that kids
start having romantic attraction to any any human you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Know, Like shit, that could be as early as five
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
There's little girls and little boys that have little crushes
on each other and it's not necessarily sexual, but it's
like this emotional high that they have, So you know,
it's we're humans and we experience that feeling. I think
at various ages, there's no set age, which is why
you can't wait until a certain age to have these conversations,
just like you shouldn't wait till a certain age to

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have the sex talk, like you have age appropriate conversations
leading up into that point and hopefully you get ahead
of it and you're not too late, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
And I don't know nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
I don't even know necessarily if you could be too early,
you know, I'd rather be too early than be too late,
So I don't know. I think that it's important that
we educate our children about just all the ways in
which human's human.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And it could be like, oh, like, how do you
feel about this? How do you feel about that? Introduce
a conversation. I think people like overthink it or wait
or make it a big deal, and it's just like
you do know that you could mommy and daddy, mommy
and mommy. Like people have different structures for their family,
and as long as there's love and there's respect, and
that's everybody's allow to love whoever they want to love

(01:02:01):
and have a family the way ever they want to
have a family. I just feel bad for the households
that have like contradicting beliefs because I think about, like,
you know, single moms, right, and like maybe they're educating
their child one way, and then they go over to
dad's house and he's talking about oh there's a fact,
doesn't you know. And it's like that's confusing for a child,

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you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
So it's like hopefully you as parents can get on
the same page about it, but ultimately, like, shit, your
child's going to make their own decisions at some point.
But if as long as you like, I feel like
the educating them around just the different ways that people
experience love is like, is the way to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's just like moral and ethical to just teach people
to love people. I think, like I always till like
we love people. We're people who love people like that,
like like just in general, like starting with love and
like acceptance and like allowing people to do whatever they
want to do or be who they want to be.
It's funny. I was someone's at my house this week
and this guy and he was like he came from
the South, it is Christian, and that his mom had

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walked on him masturbating, and his mom didn't say anything
for a long time, but then like a week later,
his dad was like washing disism was like, don't be
touching yourself, that's gay, hes and don't be over there
touching yourself is gay. He's like for three months, I
thought I was gay because I was touching myself and
I was like looking at my homeboys, like damn, he
can't play basketball. Good, No, I'm not gay for him. No, No,
he was like he's like I literally was thinking I'm

(01:03:31):
gay because my dad told me if I masturbate, I'm
fucking gay. And for three months he was like spent.
And then one time in the supermarket and a girl
walk by and now and he was like, Nope, not gay,
but I'm just like like children sometimes are literally that
black and white, so like be careful of the things
that you say. The detrimental things are like boys don't cry,
or like man up, or like, oh I saw something.

(01:03:52):
This girl that I follow I think I un followed
her because it's pissed me off. And she had a
little boy whose legs were crossed because her legs were crossed,
and she was like, don't cross legs like that, like
only mommy does that. That's feminine and the boy has
to be like four or five, and I'm like, I
didn't like that, Like I don't know, like I don't
have a I don't have a son. Do you say that,
like because he's mimicking, you'd be like, no, boys don't

(01:04:13):
cross their legs like that, Like that's feminine? Do you
say that or is like is that a part of
like I don't know, or do you just let the
little boy cross his legs and then he'll figure out
his own, But I don't know. I was just like
that made me uncomfortable that you would even like plant
that seed of like a certain way you hold your
fucking body is feminine or masculine. So I was just like,
I guess that's like something we haven't experiences. We don't

(01:04:37):
have boys, but it's like you have to be really
conscious of the little things that you plant that could
really confuse a child because it is so nuanced and
like I think especially with boys crying being like affectionate
with other boys, like the choice in color, right, you
can't repeat choose the wrong color, Like shit could get weird, right,

(01:04:57):
you know? Like what are we teaching our kids instead
of just like exist? So yeah, just just shug your
kids love and acceptance and that they can do what
they want, so that it's not associated with it being
feminine or masculine. It's just associated with them being themselves.
Because I think we have this like the gender norms
that we've created, especially in Western society, have created people

(01:05:21):
who are like not in tune with themselves, are prohibiting
being like themselves, from being themselves because they're afraid it's
going to come off as to this or to that,
you know what I mean. Like, there's probably hell of
boys who are eccentric and dance a ful and want
to wear eccentric clothes, and obviously, like the gender norms
are breaking down as we get older, and we're like,
I see that doesn't exist, which is cool, but like

(01:05:43):
you don't want to prohibit someone's creativity and who they
are and their actual masculinity because they are so busy
being concerned about showing up feminine because Daddy said, if
I do this, I'm gay. You know, Like maybe the
nig is just a designer, you know, Like you know,
it's just like these things we placed on people, I
think actually sometimes prevents them, like adds more confusion than necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, well, shout out to the gay moms, Shout out
to the gay dads, Shout out to the gay aunties.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
And the gay uncles. It's your month.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Go off, be gay as hell, Go see the kids,
Go tell them about your love. The interest to speak, Okay,
stop hiding.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, And also I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Went I went into the moms listening who have a
gay uncle, like a gay brother or a gay auntie,
and you've been hiding your fucking you've been asking your
your brothers and sisters to keep their shit away from
your kids.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Fucking stop that shits.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Not that shit, because you have opportunity, You have get
people in your own family that can really help you
with this conversation as well. Like you know, like I
feel like we were waiting on the perfect time to
introduce our our kids to like these said people, when
a lot of these said people are literally already in
our in our families and around and like kind of

(01:06:59):
kind of like minimuming themselves or for your comfort. So
if you're someone that is like asked of that from
someone in your family, I want to encourage you to
reconsider that because that's just not fair. You're you're asking
them to not show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Up in for what to like not hold a boyfriend's hand,
or they're like, what are you protecting your kid from
like the world, because guess what's happening either way, baby,
But the all types of varieties of people. Yeah, So yeah, allow,
I think I think that's just a bigger conversation is
to allowing your kids to see the full spectrum of
people and how they actually exist. Like it's not a

(01:07:32):
bad thing. It's not like it just is moms be gay.
Mom's be gay, Dad's be gay. Good moms be gay.
It's still up there, ish goo, mom's be gaysh mom's
besh ish mom's be gayish. I don't know. Twenty twenty six,
we're we're trying to see what our percentage is right now,
it's probably looking like forty nine percent. I was feeling

(01:07:55):
a lot higher up until this month than I got
scared with that, with your with your love interest over there,
they even talk to you for two weeks now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Like leading up into this moment, I thought like, yeah, yeah,
I could tap back into this, and then as I'm
into it, I'm just I don't know, just be more direct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
You gotta take the fucking's bisexual. What can I say?
I have a pillow prints that shown is bisexual, and
that's what I'm saying. You know, if you're into that,
damn me. You know, slide into my DMS direct. If
you don't want to do a lot of talking, but
you want to do a lot of eye fucking and flirting.
Then we got the lesbians for you. It's us. Do
you like a little dick? Orlando was not to be

(01:08:33):
considered with, not to be confused with a little, just
a big Do you like one big dick? You don't
have to like them all. We could just split this one.
It's plenty to go around. I'm gonna really test my
my jealousy theory as soon as my girlfriend comes over.
I'll let you guys know. Curs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Y'all, y'all know how many times this bits called herself
jealous in the long schemes of this long and never
ending eight year season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I take it back. I'm not jealous. I'm open. I'm
totally cool and I'm open.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Ah an affirmation good mom's be gay, But I think
that was last year's affirmation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Teach your kids about gay people. No, teach your kids
about gay people. Now. It doesn't wrong to talk mm hmm.
Gay moms matter, Gay moms matter? Is it lesbian moms?
Lesbian moms matter? Gay people matter. Normalize same sex love

(01:09:52):
in front of your kids. It's okay to be you're
it's okay to be gay, It's okay to be gay.
It's okay to be gay. Literally, it is okay to
be gay. It's good to be gay. It's good to
be gay. And also this is really for the men
because there's a lot of suppression. There's a lot of
gay suppression that is like really actually hurting the women
because the guys who don't feel like they can be

(01:10:13):
openly gay and do gay shit secretly. Then in the
morning when they wake up and they hate themselves because
they did some shit that they liked, they come and
they hate women, and it's really fucking up the whole game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
So just be gay, Amen, gonna do a card Okay,
terror time. The Three of Pentacles.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I feel like we pulled this recently. Am I triple?
The three of Pentacles? The three of Pentacles? Hmmm? Teamwork, collaboration, learning, implementation.

(01:11:06):
The stone mason couldn't build the cathedral without the help
of the architects, and they couldn't build it without him.
Each person has an important role to play, and when
they come together as a team, they can create something
much more significant than if they were to undertake the
project on their own. So when the Three of Pinnacles
turns up in the tarial reading, take it as a
sign to collaborate with others, creating synergies to archive to

(01:11:27):
achieve big results. The three of pinnacles represents the value
of different ideas and levels of experience and collaboration chetypes.
The architects respect the specialized knowledge of the stone mason
and the stone mason. The stone mason appreciates the experience
of the architects, even though their backgrounds, experience levels, and
expertise are very different. Like I'm an expert lesbian and

(01:11:48):
Erica is a beginner lesbian.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I wouldn't even call I'm not going to disrespect the
gay community this way. I am not any sort of lesbian.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Well, I am an expert. Even though their backgrounds, experience level,
and expertise are very different, they can come together to
share their insight in a way that creates synergy and
improves the finished product. There is no us and them
or any sense of superiority. Instead, we're all gay. Got
it perfect?

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
It was really lovely. Well, thank you for that welcome.
Thank you guys for joining us. This very gay talk.
It's very gay Wednesday. We hate a very gay Wednesday.
Speaking of gay Wednesdays, humping a lot. If you want
to come to the play Play party for the June
teenth Matrix themed party.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
We love the gays. Everybody's invited. Queer, gay, Straight, Curved
by Flexible, by Fun. There's a party June nineteenth. Click
link in this episode description.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
And just look at all just look at the captions
and the descriptions of this episode. For all the other
things that we have going on. We mentioned the discord.
We have a retreat in Costa Rica that's coming up.
If you haven't planned your summer summer vacation, this is
a great opportunity to come hang out with the good moms.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
And be your fucking self. And you can follow me
on Instagram at watch Erica.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
You can follow Jamila at meila Underscore, map m app
and make sure you if you're watching this on YouTube,
please subscribe to our channel. We would really appreciate that
and leave us a review. If you're listening on Apple
or Spotify, leave your girls a review. It takes two
seconds and it really does matter, and it really does
help black creators get that coin, Help your sisters get

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that coin.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Push download, don't just listen, Okay, anyway, We'll see you
next week. We love you. Stay gay, se

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