November 29, 2023 • 42 mins
When It comes to diplomicy, no matter the scale, words matter. Im break down River to Sea, Humanitarian pause, and "remember the "Amalekites"
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
There are things that are said to you or said
around you that I think sometimes are not purposefully coded,
because if you grew up in it, you just you
know what this person is saying. Other things are purposefully coded,
but they are clues as to what's being truly communicated
to you. And I know you know, as you guys
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entered pop culture and especially interface with like street culture,
black culture, you may hear somebody say what I love
you know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You think it's cute to just say stuff like, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We bicking back being bool, Oh that's brazy, you know,
saying a bee instead of a C for crazy, But
all that means something. They have origins and you may
not know what you're actually communicating here. You may notice
that artists like yg you know, whenever you reading the
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word crazy, it's with a K, you know, and you
heard you heard Kendrick say many times brazy. There are
reasons for that, and the listener almost on some like
he who has ears to hear, let the hearer hear.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
In other words, there's what's being said and there's what's
being communicated. Or if you've if you have any relationship
with the significant other you understand the difference.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There's what you said and there's what was heard, what.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Was communicated, the difference somebody introduced you as they cause,
you know what I'm saying, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Cause?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Or YO this my cousin, or YO this my relly?
What's our relative?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What else? Can folk?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I personally oftentimes use cause can folk really really interchangeably?
Because I'm not an active gang member? You know what
I'm saying. I just grew up in a certain part
of town, and I understand and respect the people for
which I might be speaking to. I understand if I
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were too, you know, in some strange twist of events
happened to meet YG, I would say, oh what out
can't folk like? I would introduce myself like that. You
know what I'm saying, like, oh, without can't fuck prop?
You know, just I'm being respectful. You may not think that,
but I know I'm being respectful. Words matter, and even
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words that seem interchangeable matter. Let's go ahead and talk
about not a ceasefire, but a humanitarian pause hood politics, y'all.
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Ah man, I'm actually I was very surprised that there
was enough of these goings on to actually record a
full episode of this. You see people all over the
streets screaming for a ceasefire, but you see our president
talking about a humanitarian pause, and you see, oh, Benny,
who is like with the shits talk about I ain't
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no ceasefire, but I'm cool with a humanitarian pause. Irby,
are we not saying the same thing, Nigga? Like what
the what are you talking? I'm just saying, like, stop shooting.
It's people like that. Okay, tomato tomato. Now it ain't
tomato tomato. We're gonna get into it today. And I'm
positive you knew it wasn't tomato tomato. You knew there
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was a reason for this, and the same reason I
would introduce myself to YG. I'd be like, what'sall, hommy?
What else can folk? I would say something like that
to him. And there's other things I wouldn't say, like
with us line what out five? I wouldn't say that
to him because it would communicate something about myself that's
actually not true other than just being respectful to him.
I know I'm getting into weeds here, but if you're
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from here, you grew up around this, you get it.
But let me make it a little more open and palatable
to the rest of our audience. When I first started touring,
like touring hard, hitting the road pretty hard. The DJ
I mostly toured with was my man Effect though you know,
rest in Peace from Long Beach, Filipino. Dude, he was
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an Enneagram nine, but uh it was just such a
such a wonderful, wonderful guy pass away in twenty eighteen.
But before I was hitting the roll hard with Effect,
I was hitting a row hard with my man, DJ Promote,
who now lives in Korea Town and we run Club
real Ones every First Sunday. Pull up on me if
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you out here Long Beach, California. Actually, dude, it's a destination.
Come pull up on us every First Sunday day party
three pm, seven pm, Long Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Anyway, we would get these gigs, and some of these
gigs would be and if you know my history, you
know I had a soiree into the sort of church
music world world as a hip hop spoken word artists.
I've always kind of bounced between both of those art
forms and also both of these worlds, you know of
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sort of religious space for music. But also you know,
I was open for day last soul. I was out
on the road, y'all know me, Like, you know, I
just love hip hop. I go where hip hop is. Anyway,
we will be at these events and we'll be working
on a set and I'd be like, all right, you know, hey,
so so like what songs you want to do? You know,
and I'm talking to promo like I will probably do like,
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you know, maybe this poem, this poem, crowd scene, how
is that crowd seeing or they seem like you know,
they high school in college.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, well let's do this.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Then I would ask the person that brought me out, like, hey,
what do you guys like?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So what were you guys thinking? Like what are you
guys expecting?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like do you like, you know, you feel like you
want something a little more poetic, kind of stripped down.
You want them to jump, you want to bounce, you
want to throw your party? Like you what are you
looking for? And they would say, oh, you know this,
We just want you to like, you know, do you like,
you know, do what you feel, do what you think
the Lord is telling you to do, you know, and
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you know, do what you feel. We just want you
to feel free. We love your poetry. You do what
you feel like you want us to do. And I'll
be like, all right, dope, okay, so I'm thinking we'll
do this song and this song you know, and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
They'll be like, oh, yeah, no, we like that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We really love your poetry, you know, but yeah, yeah,
you guys work it out. And I'm like, all right,
you know this be like down South or something, you know,
and promote my man.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But he from the South, so promote grew up in Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You would never guess, but he grew up in Texas
and like nowhere Isville, Texas. And he was like, they
want you to do poetry. And I was like, what
he just said for me to do what I feel?
And he's like, he said for you to do poetry.
And I'm like, what I don't like? He said he
liked the poetry, so let's do some pots. He's like, no, no,
you don't understand. He's telling you to do a poetry.
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Said you don't speak Southern, and I was like, no,
I don't as you talking. He was like, bro, like
when he says he really loves your poetry, I was
like oh. And then it started happening more and more
and I started seeing it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I was like Oh that's what you mean.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, so you won't say what you mean, You'll just
infer it. I'm from the coast. I say what I mean, like,
if you wanted poetry, like.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just I'm asking. I'm like, I asked you the question,
like if it was if I was just gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do me, I wouldn't have asked you. But I asked you, like,
what did you desire? You said, do me, and you
suggested that you liked my poetry, So that meant I
should consider that in my decision making process.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But it's my decision. Promotes like he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Requesting poetry, and I was like, all right, well let's
do a poetry, said.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I just then I'll know what I flew you out for.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
If I'm just gonna do some spoken word, I don't
need a DJ like. I wish he would have told
me this before I bought all these flights. So Promote
was telling me that words were being communicated at another
level that I just didn't understand. But if I spoke
that culture, I would have understood, because according to Promote,
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what he's teaching me is it would have been rude
to just tell you what to do.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That would have been offensive.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Even though I asked, you know, and in my mind,
I'm like, well, you just I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You just you're still just telling me what you want
me to do. But it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Now I'm gonna go back to these, uh, you know,
more street examples. Now, keep in mind, even going to
these street examples, this stuff can vary by region, by
age group.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You probably got fuck in your family that would be like,
this is not at all like that. It maybe you
know what I'm saying. I'm speaking on my own experience right.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Now. In a lot of ways, gang banging has evolved
in that, at least when you're out here, you're not
so much looking at colors or even language spoken, although
sometimes that's a big clue.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You're looking for.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Sports teams or colleges on the hats that will tell
you who you're.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Actually dealing with.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You know, you would you would think it funny to
see a whole group of fans of the Pittsburgh Pirates
baseball team out here. But that's there's a reason for that.
Yeah you don't. You don't want to be no Pirates
fan out here that matters. North Carolina tar Heels.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, you don't want to. You don't want to be
a Tar Heels fan out here.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
These things they're they're commune, municating like sets, they're communicating gangs.
And a lot of that was due to the fact
that colors were too easy, not only for y'all out
but for the police. You know, it was too easy
to figure out who was, you know, involved in what.
So there's this just network of rules that I'm so
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old now that I would be like dog, I needed somebody,
need to hand me a rubric.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So just you're pretty safe, you're where.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
If you're pretty safe, you're if you're in LA and
you were in a Lakers jersey, it's pretty it's.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Fine because everybody loves the Lakers, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But a Dodgers or a Dodgers fitted you know, Yankees
fitted Angels fitted cap that actually means something too, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Look, on the other hand, if you're just you know,
writer and Tyler and Skyler, I don't know why y'all
all rhyme and you're just you're on your guys trip.
You know, you're from Indiana. You're on your guys trip,
just like visiting you know, major league stadiums, just for
your own you're fine. Where the team mute? You clearly
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not involved in this life. Don't don't be scared, like
it's fine. Okay, this isn't the movies. You know, you're
not gonna listen. You're fine. You go, you get off
at Lax, you know, you go see the man Chinese Theater.
Go get your hot dog, you know, go cruise Melrose,
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go to Dodger Stadium, go see you know, Chefez Ravine
and just enjoy yourself. Okay, go to Disneyland, you know,
rep your favorite you know, sooner, You're fine.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, that's it's that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, so like, don't don't sensationalize what I mean here,
Go to Venice Beach. You know, be a Boston Red
Sox fan. It's fine, all right, just don't be a
Boston Celtics fan. But anyway, the brazy stuff, oh you
know what I'm saying, Like oh that you know, using
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k's instead of sees traditionally, that comes from you know,
kind of blood tradition. A lot of this stuff is
like oh niggas, Like, oh, niggas still do this shit,
you know what I'm saying. And remember I'm I'm including
myself in that. So rather than say like you always
hear me all the time, like say what else? Cause
like cousin is short for cousin, But it's also communicating
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that I grew up around cryps. So if I were
to meet YG, I would say ken folk. One it
starts with a K, and two it's just respectful. I
know that he's not a cryp. I know a part
of town. I would be like, what I really like?
That's me respecting his space, you know. So I'm going
to use a term that is cause I'm trying to
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be respectful. I'm not trying to bang on him, right.
But like I said, if I'd have been like what else?
Line what a five? Like, those are phrases that would
communicate that I am also an active blood and I
am not same thing if I would have met if
I were to meet a crib, I wouldn't call them
low because that's again communicating that I.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Am in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm in the field with him, and I'm not fam
I'll hear them Latino hoods.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
If I were to be like you know Thresse or
or fourteen Thresa or Guadorce, like you're talking Nathaniel and
Sodenio like which is like northern or Southerner, which is
more how their sort of situation kind of plays out. Obviously,
I'm not a cholo, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't no vatho. I just grew up over here,
and I know how to speak respectfully to them. I
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understand that that is y'all's war.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I would I.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Would not mean any harm. I'm just from the Sword.
I'm just from southern California. So did I say, because
I'm just from this part of town. If I were
to meet someone from the north, I would respect the
fact that you know, they from the north.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Fourteen You know what I'm saying now? What those numbers mean?
I can't tell you. And even if I knew, I
wouldn't tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I just know that's what they called each other. The
point is I understand that they communicate things. It's hoods
out here that are all called something thirteen Florence thirteen.
You heard that, you know, with your threats, say like
these are hoods out here, these these thirteens mean something.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They mean southern California.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It would be disrespectful for me to address a person basically,
it's like you're miss you know, you're misgendering a person
like yo. That's that's disrespectful. Even if you no matter. Look,
I don't care where you fall on the pronouns. It's
just if somebody asked you to call them something, call
them something, that's right. It's you just being courteous, you
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being respectful. I understand these words mean something to you,
and if they mean something to you, they mean something
to me. Now when the stakes are high enough to
where we might be talking violence or.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
All out war, that shit matters. Now let's talk about
Israel Hamas.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, So now you've gotten to peak up as to
what it would be like if you you know, what's
trying to communicate while outside you feel me. Let's take
it there to this conflict we were experiencing or we're
watching happen now, because again, words matter, weint experiencing it,
we just watching it unless you really plugged in over there,
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because yeah, there's the news. Don't do it justice if
you understand what I mean, he who has hears to hear.
Now I want to address a few terms. I want
to address ceasefire versus humanitarian pause from the river to
the sea. I want to talk about that. I want
to talk about occupied territory. I want to talk about
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this is the heavy one. To me, the remember what
the Amalekites did phrase if you grew up in church,
then this one, this one heavy dog.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
All right, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So a ceasefire is exactly what you think it is.
It's like, listen, we just it's a triage, right, we
just need to stop the bleeding. It's too many people dying.
It's too much bloodshed on both sides of this thing.
The world is like listen. First of all, everyone knew
we were no closer to peace or a solution on
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January sixth than we were January seventh, and now we
ain't no closer to even matter of fact, we further
away from a solution. The reality is, again, if you
can transport yourself to the founding of the USA, the
Americans ain't leaving like they not gonna leave. And while
the Natives are fighting for their life, fighting for their land,
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fighting for their history, their their heritage, their posterity. The
reality is, and I know that they knew, these white
folks ain't leaving. They're not gonna leave, And I mean,
what do you do? You fight to the death right,
but if you but if the internet exists, I would
imagine the world would be calling for a cease fire.
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Now I'm gonna get into the next episode some even
more nuanced and stuff that if you was paying attention,
you probably caught already. But I'm gonna say that for
next week because now I just won't talk about the words. Right,
So a ceasefire is something that's obvious, Like I mean,
do you got a soul, nigga, Like y'all gotta stop
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shooting at each other man, like I don't. I'm just saying,
at least for now, Like I'm not saying I know
I know the answer, nigga. I'm just saying, like this shit,
like y'all, this shit ain't working, like niggas is just
dying out here. Everybody dog all hospital blown, you feel me, Like,
come on, fam, y'all gotta stop shooting. Like that's just
it's just obvious. And the power dynamic between Hamas and
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the Israeli government is just it's almost laughable.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's like if it's not as though Harmas are chumps
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They're not chumps like they got.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
They squabbles clearly, right, and they organized enough. And it's
and and and let me give a side note here.
To understand Hamas is to understand the thing I used
to say about the Black Panthers, which is, like you
ask ten different panthers what the panthers are, You're gonna
get ten different answers.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Right in that sense, they're the same.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
In some senses, hamas desire is to just be a
boring bureaucracy government, like one party system. They got offices, nigga,
you could like email them and just be like yo,
it's up. And then you got wild boys that are
like nigga, we bout that action.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like they want to be taken serious.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They want to be a government, right and if they
a government, then it's up to the people in Palestine
to decide whether they fuck with them or not. Let
them decide whether they like Hamas or not. Does that
make sense that so there's there's there's that to understand,
which in the same way that Joe Biden, Donald Trump
and the US government ain't me, Hamas ain't palace. It's
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reductive and may be accurate that you know they're a
terrorist group. You say that about the US military, they
just got more badges. I mean, I'm not conflating. I'm
just saying the words matter. What we calling these people matter.
They communicate things that go beyond what is being said now.
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A ceasefire is something that is plain and obvious to
anyone with a soul. No one wants to see their
grandma died, So what the hell is a humanitarian pause?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What the phrase matters?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
This is why it matters, because what Benjamin net and
Yahoo is saying is that if I agree to a ceasefire,
I'm basically calling myself a bitch, and I'm giving them
time to regroup. He's like, I need to lead, keep
the pressure on them. This the only way I'm gonna
win this shit is if I beat these niggas to
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a pole, if I show that I am so with
the shits, that I'm so about that action, that they
get no break. I'm gonna find y'all. Don't care where
your ma mistake? Where your grandma mistake? Nigga, I don't
care about shit you think to give a fuck about
your daughter, Nigga, I'll shoot her through her Damn stroller,
which is essentially the attitude that Benjamin That and Yahoo
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and the armies of Israel trying to say, I don't
give a fuck about no damn civilian nigga, you live
over there, you wanted them, is what is the attitude.
So no, no, no, ain't no ceasefire. Ain't no ceasefire. Right, No,
ain't no peace. Killed my cousin back in ninety four, nigga,
fuck your truths like that's kind of where he at.
But I will agree to not a ceasefire. But I
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don't need to smoke for the rest of the world
from the rest of the world. If the rest of
the world said I don't need to smoke from the
UN I don't need to smoke from my greatest ally
as in the USA, because if you make an enemy
out of the USA, I mean, it's you in a
different situation. Israel not afraid to take on all of
the air of nations if they know they got the
USA on their side, because it could come down to that.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It could have.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It didn't, thank the Lord God Almighty, but it could have. Right,
So he not scared if he know he got the
USA behind him. But if he lose the USA. Oh, Man,
I mean, don't get too cocky. They don't want a
lot of wars. They have fought off. They have fought
off everybody who has came after them, but they've also
had they come the USA with them. Anyway, I'll agree
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to a humanitarian pause, which is basically saying, for the
sake of you getting your aid in, I ain't gonna
shoot at these people trying to get aid. I'm not
gonna stop the aid from coming in. I'll give y'all
a four hour window. But just know my finger on
the trigger, to which me and you would say, nigga,
that's a ceasefire. I don't understand what, nigga, that's what
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is you talking about? That's a ceasefire, right, But it's
not because the words matter.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
They was talking about right now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The hospital in Gaza is out of fuel, out of gas,
and Israel's like, all right, we'll give y'all this many
gallons of gas. Palestine like, nigga, that's gonna last a
half hour. You could keep your gas.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Because that's such a diss right.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So that's why they like, man, I don't want to
hear shit about this humanitarian pause.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That's some bullshit. We know what you're saying. What you're
saying is you're not gonna stop shooting, but you don't
want to leave the good graces of your home. Why
America would jump in and say this, I'm gonna be
kind right now to America for no particular reason, but
just to be generous in this reading. If America jumps
in and says we're calling for a ceasefire, you lose
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all credibility with that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And Yahoo, now you can't talk to him. Now, you
ain't got no right to interface with him. But if
you publicly be like yeah, humanitarian. Pause, when you shut
the door, you can still talk to them and be like, Bam,
you are tripping. Bro, this shit gotta stop. Cuz like
I understand you, Herd, I understand you got the right
to defend yourself, and look I got your back outside. Listen, listen,
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there's one thing if you was raised by a black mama,
there's one thing you know the rule in this house.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Dub listen, do not. I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I can't tell you. I would argue this is the
top rule, the top rule. If you got a black mama,
don't embarrass me in public. Don't you contradict me in public.
Don't you tell me no in public? Don't you ever
in public? Because what mama gonna do. She gonna calmly say, oh,
wherever we at, she gonna say, Okay, I think it's
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time to head out, son, go get your stuff. Okay, babe,
all right, well I see you next week. We could
be at church. He's like, God, bless you, you know,
and now and now I want to him who was
able to keep you from falling? All right, sister, God,
bless you, God keep you made the Lord watch between
me and thee while we're absent one from another.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think you good?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
As soon as you get in the car, the door shut,
the window go up. Nigga, who do you think you is?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Taugh?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I ain't one of your little friends. How the unmitigated call.
That's what black mamas like to say. Nigga, you finna
get it. Listen, listen. She gonna wear you out when
you get home. Why because you embarrassed her in public.
So I'm saying, you gotta keep it g in public
when you're home. Even I don't care how dumb you're
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homie acting, you gotta keep it g in public. And
then when you get home, when the door shut. You
could be like, Fam, you are bugging right now.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But nigga, like you ain't got to do all this shit,
Like God, he gonna be like you don't know, you
don't know. It's like nigga, look man, like you're gonna
get to a place where I'm gonna be like you
on your own, Fam, Like you can't be you expect
us to just show up all the time, Bro, Like
you see me, you see me riding for you out here,
but like you blow up the hospital cuz like I can't,
I can't, I can't scramble the troops on me, like
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we can't come, We can't come, We can't help. You
gonna act like this you want us to help you, Like, Bro,
you gotta chill. So you agree to the phrasing humanitary pause,
because again the words are communicating something more than the words.
What you're saying is you get to you could keep
riding just like damn, have a little heart, because I
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can't help you if you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Don't have a little heart. Humanitarian pause.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Next, I only talk about the phrase river to the
sea Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, and the word
picture is just that they're saying that all of this
land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean seat this
was Palestine.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's Palestine.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So from a geographical perspective, you're talking about the land.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The phrase can mean a lot of different things and
can be interpreted a lot of different ways. This phrase
can be weaponized, very similar to Black Lives Matter, very
similar to critical race theory, you know, Woke. This phrase
river to the sea has gone through a lot of
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these sort of bastardizations weaponizing. They just mean a lot
of different things. Now, the most aggressive reading is this idea,
Like we said that, like Israel shouldn't exist, Like this
is a one state solution, like this region is like y'all,
(27:51):
like I don't understand what everybody don't understand. They are
the occupiers, Like this is so this is so simple.
This is a colonization and a stripping of rights and
humanity of the indigenous population.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Very simple.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And the only way for us to have peace is
for y'all to go river to the sea.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Everywhere. Y'all don't belong here.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I don't care, not in my backyard, nigga, I don't
care where you go, just not here, right, That's one.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Reading of the idea of river to the sea.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Another reading is Roal saying the same thing like basically Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine,
all of it's ours, all of it's to promised land,
so they say river to the sea. That is also
an eradication. Some use it in terms of like we
just want peace in this region from the Jordan River
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all the way to the Mediterranean Sea. We just want
to see peace, Like how can we coexist?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You feel me? So it means multiple things in you
in particular contexts Now, y'all.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
May have seen the only Palestinian congress person we have
get censured over using the phrase from the river to
the sea.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It'll be the.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Same way as me losing gigs for saying black lives matter,
where it's like nigga they do. Though, what does that mean?
You're a part of BLM. Black Lives Matter is a
nonprofit organization and no, I've never paid dues to it.
But do black lives matter?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yes? I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
If you want to read this in the most cynical
way you can, you just are being stupid and you're
weaponizing a phrase that don't have to be that black
lives matter, don't mean, nobody else's life don't matter. It
don't mean that at all, except in some people's mouth
maybe a do. But you know, coming out of my mouth,
that's not what I meant. So we knew coming out
of our congresswoman's mouth that ain't what she meant.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She wasn't talking about the eradication of Israel. Come on, man,
even in this discussion, like the idea of a one
state or two state solution right river to the sea,
there's a thing that a two state solution would be.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Like Nigga, just let Palestine be a country. Like just
I don't understand why you making this so difficult. You
done already chunked off, you know, eighty percent of a
land like damn, Nigga, Gaza in West Bank, they used
to have to go Line Heights cause you know what
I'm saying, Like Nigga, just man, chill, just let them
they fighting you cause you won't leave them the fuck alone.
Like just shit, bro, Like you just keep like even
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even in the West Bank, like Nigga, you got Israeli settlements,
like nigga, just shit, man, Just sign a deal and
make a fucking border like you don't have to, Like
why do you have to have it all right?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's like the two state solution, just let them be
a thing. Israel like, well, if.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
They exist, our safety is in danger. We can't handle
two state solution. We have to control them because they're danger.
That's that's Israel's argument. Another one is Israel's arguments is like, yo,
we tried. We keep offering them things like yo, we
let Hamas govern like we just backed out, we left
in two thousand and seven, like we let Hamas govern
West or governed Gaza, like and look what this shit
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turned out to be?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like what you like?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What more do you want? Like we trying. They don't
believe in compromise. Aw y'all mad at us damn is
their argument, to which the Palestinians are like, nigga, you
call this a compromise. You can't be serious, Like this
is an un that is an unseerious statement, like you
cannot you cannot actually.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Believe that you're leaving us alone? You could this is
not a what you've giving us.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You're giving us these ugly ass three sixty record deals
and you really think like like you really think.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We'd that stupid?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Like no, this is not a tenable deal, Like even
the most pragmatic of Palestinian government official was like, oh
this this is a bullshit deal, Like you do know
we're a country, not country. I just came back from
Hong Kong. Hong Kong is like China not China, Like
I just what is this? And then you have the
(32:02):
more hard line is really are Like when I say exist,
I mean living, I'm not saying as a nation state,
I mean any of them alive. Then our safety is
in danger's That's that other argument which brings me to,
in my mind, the most chilling statement to come out
of at least out of Benjamin.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That and Yahoo's mouth.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
We'll talk about Ma's next episode, you know, to figure
out the math here, like okay, what was your end game?
But we'll talk about that next. It turns out they didn't.
They ain't realize how with the shits Benjamin was. But anyway,
at least that's my opinion. But that's next week.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He in this speech he gave and this is like,
this is the phrase that made me be like, okay,
we need to do an episode about this.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Is he quotes this Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy. Now
I don't know how many of y'all have read your
Bible's lift through Sunday School. You know, I don't care
if it's a Mormon Sunday School. Hell, you could be Muslim.
You know what I'm saying. And you have probably you
(33:10):
probably understand Deuteronomy.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Probably know more about your Bible than a lot of
Christians do.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Anyway, you've gotten to this.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Part and he quotes this passage where he says, remember,
and I'm not gonna do it in a Hebrew accent
because that's corny. But he said, it's corny for me
to do it. I'm not saying a Hebrew accent is corny.
You understand what I mean. I'm not gonna mock the
man's accent. But he said, remember what the Amalekites did
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to you. Now, the Amalekites were in the Old Testament.
Maybe they're a mythical maybe they're not real, like I
don't know, I'm they were a tribe in the land
of Canaan, which is modern day area that we're talking about. Right,
(34:02):
Let me fast, let me rewind back a little further.
You got Father Abraham who had many sons, and many
sons had father Abraham. Right, So Abraham, father of Jews, Christians,
and Muslim religion. He was our you know, the father
of the three fates, caming from Arv. Chaldeans had his
son Isaac, had his son Jacob, but Abraham also had instead,
(34:24):
not just Isaac, had Ishmael. And there's a belief that
like Ishmael and Hagar, which was Abraham's wive's handmaiden. This
is all Bible stuff, became the father of Islam. Right anyway,
that's lineage stuff that I'm in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
The point is.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
When Israel, you know, fast forward to Moses. Let my
people go, you know, Prince of Egypt. They leave Egypt,
they wonder the wilderness for forty days on their way
to the Promised Land, which is the land for which
all of this shit is about, like it currently, you know,
according to their bi this is Genesis doubt right now,
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as they were supposed to subdue the land. Right, he's
calling back to this idea of this promise that Yahweh
of the Scriptures gave the children of Israel that this
land will be yours. But you have to drive out
the people bother me that are there now, the people
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that were there at the time were called the Canaanites
because they were in the land of Canaan. Now, Canaan
had a lot of different type of tribes that exist. Now,
again we're talking ancient history, so tribal warfare is something
that's super normal, right. Unfortunately, now we have guns. But
one of those tribes that were there that were enemies
(35:49):
of Israel were a tribe called the Amalekites. Now, a
lot of readings from modern Judaea sees a lot of
this stuff as metaphor, like that theyre weren't really a
group a tribe called the Amalekites. And this story is
(36:10):
more akin to like the greater and Higher Jihad inside
of Islam, which is the idea of like the war
within yourself, the war to subdue, to fight against evil
urges and to push the lower parts of you, the
low vibrations of yourself, to subdue those and be a
(36:30):
master of your own urges, your own bodies, to choose
the right things, to choose good rather than choosing the
debate sort of id of it all, right, if you're Christian,
this is the idea of like the war of the
flesh versus the war of the spirit. You're beating your
flesh into submission. You know, you're holding thoughts captive, like
that's that First Corinthians idea, you know, bring every thought
(36:53):
into captivity of the will of God. Like, so there's
an idea here that goes across all of our faiths.
And let me and say this man like to my
Jewish friends, like, even with the time I've spent in
like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, I was there for a
few Shabbat meals. Well, it's a beautiful, beautiful faith, a
(37:14):
beautiful tradition in history. Okay, So I just want to
put that out there. The Amalekites symboli you defeating your
inner id, right, But why this is so chilling is
the is what the rest of that passage says. It says,
remember what the Amalekites did to you, and then God
commands them to go kill every man, woman, child, cow calf.
(37:42):
And if you read Joe King James Versus, it said,
and everything that pisseth against the wall pisseth. When we
was in Sunday school, we used to love that phrase.
So for him to invoke that, if you if you've
been through, if you've been through a bar mitzvah, if
you had to read them scriptures. You know what he's saying.
(38:02):
I mean, that's a call to genocide. I know what
you meant when you said that he was saying. The
offense on October seventh was such a green light that
I can invoke this part.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Of our faith. Now.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I feel like, because again I speak because blood, gang banging,
and because I grew up in church, I heard what
he said.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Now I don't know the man. I just know what
you just communicated to me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Because of all the passages in Natara, that's the one
you're gonna call on, the one that says, oh, wipe
them out. And then you couple that with his actions.
Now ain't no peace. I feel like I heard what
you just said, big dog. Now, like I said in
the beginning, a government is not its people. It's people
(39:23):
are not its government. So this is not a disc
to the people of Israel. Although I'm pretty sure there
are some that may agree with him, I am also
very aware of many people that don't. And I'm also
aware of many Jewish people that ain't got no idea
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
They're like, Lord, we just looved man. I don't remember
none of that shit. I just know what he said
is almost impossible to miss.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now, I'm not saying this from some particular high horse,
because America does it all the time. We did it
to the natives all the time. Like their justification of
slavery was this idea that they were bringing the gospel
to Africa. Like, so don't like, listen, I'm not there's
blood on our hands. I just know, homie, I heard
(40:34):
what you said, and I think I think your country
mayor heard what you said too. And no, fam you
could have said a lot of different things. That's the
one you said. So whoever wrote that shit and got
(40:55):
you to say it, Oh, nigga, you knew what you
were saying. Little politics, y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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this before, but you know you could use promo code
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Like I forgot I own that company and this is
my pod. Y'all, go ahead and punch your promo cold Hood.
(41:40):
If you in the cold Brew, get you some cold brew,
gonna get you some coffee. Yeah, Like, I can't believe
I ain't think of this still right.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Now, y'all, y'all, this thing right here was recorded by
Me Propaganda and East Lows, Boil Heights, Los Angeles, California.
This thing was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by the
(42:10):
one and the only Matt Awsowski. Y'all check out this
fool's music. I mean it's incredible. Executive produced by Sophie
Lichterman for Cool Zone Media. Man, and thank you for
everybody who continue to tap in with us. Make sure
you leaving reviews and five star ratings and sharing it
with the homies so we could get this thing pushed
up in the algorithm and listen. I just want to
(42:33):
remind you these people is not smarter than you. If
you understand city living, you understand politics.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
We'll see you next week.
All media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
There are things that are said to you or said
around you that I think sometimes are not purposefully coded,
because if you grew up in it, you just you
know what this person is saying. Other things are purposefully coded,
but they are clues as to what's being truly communicated
to you. And I know you know, as you guys
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entered pop culture and especially interface with like street culture,
black culture, you may hear somebody say what I love
you know.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You think it's cute to just say stuff like, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We bicking back being bool, Oh that's brazy, you know,
saying a bee instead of a C for crazy, But
all that means something. They have origins and you may
not know what you're actually communicating here. You may notice
that artists like yg you know, whenever you reading the
(01:00):
word crazy, it's with a K, you know, and you
heard you heard Kendrick say many times brazy. There are
reasons for that, and the listener almost on some like
he who has ears to hear, let the hearer hear.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
In other words, there's what's being said and there's what's
being communicated. Or if you've if you have any relationship
with the significant other you understand the difference.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There's what you said and there's what was heard, what.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Was communicated, the difference somebody introduced you as they cause,
you know what I'm saying, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Cause?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Or YO this my cousin, or YO this my relly?
What's our relative?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What else? Can folk?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I personally oftentimes use cause can folk really really interchangeably?
Because I'm not an active gang member? You know what
I'm saying. I just grew up in a certain part
of town, and I understand and respect the people for
which I might be speaking to. I understand if I
(02:04):
were too, you know, in some strange twist of events
happened to meet YG, I would say, oh what out
can't folk like? I would introduce myself like that. You
know what I'm saying, like, oh, without can't fuck prop?
You know, just I'm being respectful. You may not think that,
but I know I'm being respectful. Words matter, and even
(02:25):
words that seem interchangeable matter. Let's go ahead and talk
about not a ceasefire, but a humanitarian pause hood politics, y'all.
(02:50):
Ah man, I'm actually I was very surprised that there
was enough of these goings on to actually record a
full episode of this. You see people all over the
streets screaming for a ceasefire, but you see our president
talking about a humanitarian pause, and you see, oh, Benny,
who is like with the shits talk about I ain't
(03:12):
no ceasefire, but I'm cool with a humanitarian pause. Irby,
are we not saying the same thing, Nigga? Like what
the what are you talking? I'm just saying, like, stop shooting.
It's people like that. Okay, tomato tomato. Now it ain't
tomato tomato. We're gonna get into it today. And I'm
positive you knew it wasn't tomato tomato. You knew there
(03:33):
was a reason for this, and the same reason I
would introduce myself to YG. I'd be like, what'sall, hommy?
What else can folk? I would say something like that
to him. And there's other things I wouldn't say, like
with us line what out five? I wouldn't say that
to him because it would communicate something about myself that's
actually not true other than just being respectful to him.
I know I'm getting into weeds here, but if you're
(03:56):
from here, you grew up around this, you get it.
But let me make it a little more open and palatable
to the rest of our audience. When I first started touring,
like touring hard, hitting the road pretty hard. The DJ
I mostly toured with was my man Effect though you know,
rest in Peace from Long Beach, Filipino. Dude, he was
(04:18):
an Enneagram nine, but uh it was just such a
such a wonderful, wonderful guy pass away in twenty eighteen.
But before I was hitting the roll hard with Effect,
I was hitting a row hard with my man, DJ Promote,
who now lives in Korea Town and we run Club
real Ones every First Sunday. Pull up on me if
(04:40):
you out here Long Beach, California. Actually, dude, it's a destination.
Come pull up on us every First Sunday day party
three pm, seven pm, Long Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Anyway, we would get these gigs, and some of these
gigs would be and if you know my history, you
know I had a soiree into the sort of church
music world world as a hip hop spoken word artists.
I've always kind of bounced between both of those art
forms and also both of these worlds, you know of
(05:11):
sort of religious space for music. But also you know,
I was open for day last soul. I was out
on the road, y'all know me, Like, you know, I
just love hip hop. I go where hip hop is. Anyway,
we will be at these events and we'll be working
on a set and I'd be like, all right, you know, hey,
so so like what songs you want to do? You know,
and I'm talking to promo like I will probably do like,
(05:33):
you know, maybe this poem, this poem, crowd scene, how
is that crowd seeing or they seem like you know,
they high school in college.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, well let's do this.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Then I would ask the person that brought me out, like, hey,
what do you guys like?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So what were you guys thinking? Like what are you
guys expecting?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like do you like, you know, you feel like you
want something a little more poetic, kind of stripped down.
You want them to jump, you want to bounce, you
want to throw your party? Like you what are you
looking for? And they would say, oh, you know this,
We just want you to like, you know, do you like,
you know, do what you feel, do what you think
the Lord is telling you to do, you know, and
(06:05):
you know, do what you feel. We just want you
to feel free. We love your poetry. You do what
you feel like you want us to do. And I'll
be like, all right, dope, okay, so I'm thinking we'll
do this song and this song you know, and.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
They'll be like, oh, yeah, no, we like that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We really love your poetry, you know, but yeah, yeah,
you guys work it out. And I'm like, all right,
you know this be like down South or something, you know,
and promote my man.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But he from the South, so promote grew up in Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You would never guess, but he grew up in Texas
and like nowhere Isville, Texas. And he was like, they
want you to do poetry. And I was like, what
he just said for me to do what I feel?
And he's like, he said for you to do poetry.
And I'm like, what I don't like? He said he
liked the poetry, so let's do some pots. He's like, no, no,
you don't understand. He's telling you to do a poetry.
(06:56):
Said you don't speak Southern, and I was like, no,
I don't as you talking. He was like, bro, like
when he says he really loves your poetry, I was
like oh. And then it started happening more and more
and I started seeing it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I was like Oh that's what you mean.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, so you won't say what you mean, You'll just
infer it. I'm from the coast. I say what I mean, like,
if you wanted poetry, like.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I just I'm asking. I'm like, I asked you the question,
like if it was if I was just gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do me, I wouldn't have asked you. But I asked you, like,
what did you desire? You said, do me, and you
suggested that you liked my poetry, So that meant I
should consider that in my decision making process.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But it's my decision. Promotes like he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Requesting poetry, and I was like, all right, well let's
do a poetry, said.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I just then I'll know what I flew you out for.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
If I'm just gonna do some spoken word, I don't
need a DJ like. I wish he would have told
me this before I bought all these flights. So Promote
was telling me that words were being communicated at another
level that I just didn't understand. But if I spoke
that culture, I would have understood, because according to Promote,
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what he's teaching me is it would have been rude
to just tell you what to do.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That would have been offensive.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Even though I asked, you know, and in my mind,
I'm like, well, you just I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You just you're still just telling me what you want
me to do. But it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Now I'm gonna go back to these, uh, you know,
more street examples. Now, keep in mind, even going to
these street examples, this stuff can vary by region, by
age group.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You probably got fuck in your family that would be like,
this is not at all like that. It maybe you
know what I'm saying. I'm speaking on my own experience right.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Now. In a lot of ways, gang banging has evolved
in that, at least when you're out here, you're not
so much looking at colors or even language spoken, although
sometimes that's a big clue.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You're looking for.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Sports teams or colleges on the hats that will tell
you who you're.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Actually dealing with.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You know, you would you would think it funny to
see a whole group of fans of the Pittsburgh Pirates
baseball team out here. But that's there's a reason for that.
Yeah you don't. You don't want to be no Pirates
fan out here that matters. North Carolina tar Heels.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, you don't want to. You don't want to be
a Tar Heels fan out here.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
These things they're they're commune, municating like sets, they're communicating gangs.
And a lot of that was due to the fact
that colors were too easy, not only for y'all out
but for the police. You know, it was too easy
to figure out who was, you know, involved in what.
So there's this just network of rules that I'm so
(10:22):
old now that I would be like dog, I needed somebody,
need to hand me a rubric.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So just you're pretty safe, you're where.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
If you're pretty safe, you're if you're in LA and
you were in a Lakers jersey, it's pretty it's.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Fine because everybody loves the Lakers, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But a Dodgers or a Dodgers fitted you know, Yankees
fitted Angels fitted cap that actually means something too, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Look, on the other hand, if you're just you know,
writer and Tyler and Skyler, I don't know why y'all
all rhyme and you're just you're on your guys trip.
You know, you're from Indiana. You're on your guys trip,
just like visiting you know, major league stadiums, just for
your own you're fine. Where the team mute? You clearly
(11:10):
not involved in this life. Don't don't be scared, like
it's fine. Okay, this isn't the movies. You know, you're
not gonna listen. You're fine. You go, you get off
at Lax, you know, you go see the man Chinese Theater.
Go get your hot dog, you know, go cruise Melrose,
(11:33):
go to Dodger Stadium, go see you know, Chefez Ravine
and just enjoy yourself. Okay, go to Disneyland, you know,
rep your favorite you know, sooner, You're fine.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, that's it's that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, so like, don't don't sensationalize what I mean here,
Go to Venice Beach. You know, be a Boston Red
Sox fan. It's fine, all right, just don't be a
Boston Celtics fan. But anyway, the brazy stuff, oh you
know what I'm saying, Like oh that you know, using
(12:12):
k's instead of sees traditionally, that comes from you know,
kind of blood tradition. A lot of this stuff is
like oh niggas, Like, oh, niggas still do this shit,
you know what I'm saying. And remember I'm I'm including
myself in that. So rather than say like you always
hear me all the time, like say what else? Cause
like cousin is short for cousin, But it's also communicating
(12:34):
that I grew up around cryps. So if I were
to meet YG, I would say ken folk. One it
starts with a K, and two it's just respectful. I
know that he's not a cryp. I know a part
of town. I would be like, what I really like?
That's me respecting his space, you know. So I'm going
to use a term that is cause I'm trying to
(12:55):
be respectful. I'm not trying to bang on him, right.
But like I said, if I'd have been like what else?
Line what a five? Like, those are phrases that would
communicate that I am also an active blood and I
am not same thing if I would have met if
I were to meet a crib, I wouldn't call them
low because that's again communicating that I.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Am in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm in the field with him, and I'm not fam
I'll hear them Latino hoods.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
If I were to be like you know Thresse or
or fourteen Thresa or Guadorce, like you're talking Nathaniel and
Sodenio like which is like northern or Southerner, which is
more how their sort of situation kind of plays out. Obviously,
I'm not a cholo, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't no vatho. I just grew up over here,
and I know how to speak respectfully to them. I
(13:43):
understand that that is y'all's war.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I would I.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Would not mean any harm. I'm just from the Sword.
I'm just from southern California. So did I say, because
I'm just from this part of town. If I were
to meet someone from the north, I would respect the
fact that you know, they from the north.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Fourteen You know what I'm saying now? What those numbers mean?
I can't tell you. And even if I knew, I
wouldn't tell you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I just know that's what they called each other. The
point is I understand that they communicate things. It's hoods
out here that are all called something thirteen Florence thirteen.
You heard that, you know, with your threats, say like
these are hoods out here, these these thirteens mean something.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They mean southern California.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It would be disrespectful for me to address a person basically,
it's like you're miss you know, you're misgendering a person
like yo. That's that's disrespectful. Even if you no matter. Look,
I don't care where you fall on the pronouns. It's
just if somebody asked you to call them something, call
them something, that's right. It's you just being courteous, you
(14:51):
being respectful. I understand these words mean something to you,
and if they mean something to you, they mean something
to me. Now when the stakes are high enough to
where we might be talking violence or.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
All out war, that shit matters. Now let's talk about
Israel Hamas.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, So now you've gotten to peak up as to
what it would be like if you you know, what's
trying to communicate while outside you feel me. Let's take
it there to this conflict we were experiencing or we're
watching happen now, because again, words matter, weint experiencing it,
we just watching it unless you really plugged in over there,
(15:58):
because yeah, there's the news. Don't do it justice if
you understand what I mean, he who has hears to hear.
Now I want to address a few terms. I want
to address ceasefire versus humanitarian pause from the river to
the sea. I want to talk about that. I want
to talk about occupied territory. I want to talk about
(16:21):
this is the heavy one. To me, the remember what
the Amalekites did phrase if you grew up in church,
then this one, this one heavy dog.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
All right, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So a ceasefire is exactly what you think it is.
It's like, listen, we just it's a triage, right, we
just need to stop the bleeding. It's too many people dying.
It's too much bloodshed on both sides of this thing.
The world is like listen. First of all, everyone knew
we were no closer to peace or a solution on
(17:10):
January sixth than we were January seventh, and now we
ain't no closer to even matter of fact, we further
away from a solution. The reality is, again, if you
can transport yourself to the founding of the USA, the
Americans ain't leaving like they not gonna leave. And while
the Natives are fighting for their life, fighting for their land,
(17:32):
fighting for their history, their their heritage, their posterity. The
reality is, and I know that they knew, these white
folks ain't leaving. They're not gonna leave, And I mean,
what do you do? You fight to the death right,
but if you but if the internet exists, I would
imagine the world would be calling for a cease fire.
(17:55):
Now I'm gonna get into the next episode some even
more nuanced and stuff that if you was paying attention,
you probably caught already. But I'm gonna say that for
next week because now I just won't talk about the words. Right,
So a ceasefire is something that's obvious, Like I mean,
do you got a soul, nigga, Like y'all gotta stop
(18:17):
shooting at each other man, like I don't. I'm just saying,
at least for now, Like I'm not saying I know
I know the answer, nigga. I'm just saying, like this shit,
like y'all, this shit ain't working, like niggas is just
dying out here. Everybody dog all hospital blown, you feel me, Like,
come on, fam, y'all gotta stop shooting. Like that's just
it's just obvious. And the power dynamic between Hamas and
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the Israeli government is just it's almost laughable.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's like if it's not as though Harmas are chumps
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They're not chumps like they got.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
They squabbles clearly, right, and they organized enough. And it's
and and and let me give a side note here.
To understand Hamas is to understand the thing I used
to say about the Black Panthers, which is, like you
ask ten different panthers what the panthers are, You're gonna
get ten different answers.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Right in that sense, they're the same.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
In some senses, hamas desire is to just be a
boring bureaucracy government, like one party system. They got offices, nigga,
you could like email them and just be like yo,
it's up. And then you got wild boys that are
like nigga, we bout that action.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like they want to be taken serious.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They want to be a government, right and if they
a government, then it's up to the people in Palestine
to decide whether they fuck with them or not. Let
them decide whether they like Hamas or not. Does that
make sense that so there's there's there's that to understand,
which in the same way that Joe Biden, Donald Trump
and the US government ain't me, Hamas ain't palace. It's
(20:01):
reductive and may be accurate that you know they're a
terrorist group. You say that about the US military, they
just got more badges. I mean, I'm not conflating. I'm
just saying the words matter. What we calling these people matter.
They communicate things that go beyond what is being said now.
(20:24):
A ceasefire is something that is plain and obvious to
anyone with a soul. No one wants to see their
grandma died, So what the hell is a humanitarian pause?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What the phrase matters?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
This is why it matters, because what Benjamin net and
Yahoo is saying is that if I agree to a ceasefire,
I'm basically calling myself a bitch, and I'm giving them
time to regroup. He's like, I need to lead, keep
the pressure on them. This the only way I'm gonna
win this shit is if I beat these niggas to
(20:59):
a pole, if I show that I am so with
the shits, that I'm so about that action, that they
get no break. I'm gonna find y'all. Don't care where
your ma mistake? Where your grandma mistake? Nigga, I don't
care about shit you think to give a fuck about
your daughter, Nigga, I'll shoot her through her Damn stroller,
which is essentially the attitude that Benjamin That and Yahoo
(21:20):
and the armies of Israel trying to say, I don't
give a fuck about no damn civilian nigga, you live
over there, you wanted them, is what is the attitude.
So no, no, no, ain't no ceasefire. Ain't no ceasefire. Right, No,
ain't no peace. Killed my cousin back in ninety four, nigga,
fuck your truths like that's kind of where he at.
But I will agree to not a ceasefire. But I
(21:44):
don't need to smoke for the rest of the world
from the rest of the world. If the rest of
the world said I don't need to smoke from the
UN I don't need to smoke from my greatest ally
as in the USA, because if you make an enemy
out of the USA, I mean, it's you in a
different situation. Israel not afraid to take on all of
the air of nations if they know they got the
USA on their side, because it could come down to that.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It could have.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It didn't, thank the Lord God Almighty, but it could have. Right,
So he not scared if he know he got the
USA behind him. But if he lose the USA. Oh, Man,
I mean, don't get too cocky. They don't want a
lot of wars. They have fought off. They have fought
off everybody who has came after them, but they've also
had they come the USA with them. Anyway, I'll agree
(22:29):
to a humanitarian pause, which is basically saying, for the
sake of you getting your aid in, I ain't gonna
shoot at these people trying to get aid. I'm not
gonna stop the aid from coming in. I'll give y'all
a four hour window. But just know my finger on
the trigger, to which me and you would say, nigga,
that's a ceasefire. I don't understand what, nigga, that's what
(22:53):
is you talking about? That's a ceasefire, right, But it's
not because the words matter.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
They was talking about right now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The hospital in Gaza is out of fuel, out of gas,
and Israel's like, all right, we'll give y'all this many
gallons of gas. Palestine like, nigga, that's gonna last a
half hour. You could keep your gas.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Because that's such a diss right.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So that's why they like, man, I don't want to
hear shit about this humanitarian pause.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That's some bullshit. We know what you're saying. What you're
saying is you're not gonna stop shooting, but you don't
want to leave the good graces of your home. Why
America would jump in and say this, I'm gonna be
kind right now to America for no particular reason, but
just to be generous in this reading. If America jumps
in and says we're calling for a ceasefire, you lose
(23:45):
all credibility with that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And Yahoo, now you can't talk to him. Now, you
ain't got no right to interface with him. But if
you publicly be like yeah, humanitarian. Pause, when you shut
the door, you can still talk to them and be like, Bam,
you are tripping. Bro, this shit gotta stop. Cuz like
I understand you, Herd, I understand you got the right
to defend yourself, and look I got your back outside. Listen, listen,
(24:08):
there's one thing if you was raised by a black mama,
there's one thing you know the rule in this house.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Dub listen, do not. I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I can't tell you. I would argue this is the
top rule, the top rule. If you got a black mama,
don't embarrass me in public. Don't you contradict me in public.
Don't you tell me no in public? Don't you ever
in public? Because what mama gonna do. She gonna calmly say, oh,
wherever we at, she gonna say, Okay, I think it's
(24:36):
time to head out, son, go get your stuff. Okay, babe,
all right, well I see you next week. We could
be at church. He's like, God, bless you, you know,
and now and now I want to him who was
able to keep you from falling? All right, sister, God,
bless you, God keep you made the Lord watch between
me and thee while we're absent one from another.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think you good?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
As soon as you get in the car, the door shut,
the window go up. Nigga, who do you think you is?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Taugh?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I ain't one of your little friends. How the unmitigated call.
That's what black mamas like to say. Nigga, you finna
get it. Listen, listen. She gonna wear you out when
you get home. Why because you embarrassed her in public.
So I'm saying, you gotta keep it g in public
when you're home. Even I don't care how dumb you're
(25:21):
homie acting, you gotta keep it g in public. And
then when you get home, when the door shut. You
could be like, Fam, you are bugging right now.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But nigga, like you ain't got to do all this shit,
Like God, he gonna be like you don't know, you
don't know. It's like nigga, look man, like you're gonna
get to a place where I'm gonna be like you
on your own, Fam, Like you can't be you expect
us to just show up all the time, Bro, Like
you see me, you see me riding for you out here,
but like you blow up the hospital cuz like I can't,
I can't, I can't scramble the troops on me, like
(25:53):
we can't come, We can't come, We can't help. You
gonna act like this you want us to help you, Like, Bro,
you gotta chill. So you agree to the phrasing humanitary pause,
because again the words are communicating something more than the words.
What you're saying is you get to you could keep
riding just like damn, have a little heart, because I
(26:14):
can't help you if you.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Don't have a little heart. Humanitarian pause.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Next, I only talk about the phrase river to the
sea Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, and the word
picture is just that they're saying that all of this
land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean seat this
was Palestine.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's Palestine.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So from a geographical perspective, you're talking about the land.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
The phrase can mean a lot of different things and
can be interpreted a lot of different ways. This phrase
can be weaponized, very similar to Black Lives Matter, very
similar to critical race theory, you know, Woke. This phrase
river to the sea has gone through a lot of
(27:31):
these sort of bastardizations weaponizing. They just mean a lot
of different things. Now, the most aggressive reading is this idea,
Like we said that, like Israel shouldn't exist, Like this
is a one state solution, like this region is like y'all,
(27:51):
like I don't understand what everybody don't understand. They are
the occupiers, Like this is so this is so simple.
This is a colonization and a stripping of rights and
humanity of the indigenous population.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Very simple.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And the only way for us to have peace is
for y'all to go river to the sea.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Everywhere. Y'all don't belong here.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I don't care, not in my backyard, nigga, I don't
care where you go, just not here, right, That's one.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Reading of the idea of river to the sea.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Another reading is Roal saying the same thing like basically Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine,
all of it's ours, all of it's to promised land,
so they say river to the sea. That is also
an eradication. Some use it in terms of like we
just want peace in this region from the Jordan River
(28:48):
all the way to the Mediterranean Sea. We just want
to see peace, Like how can we coexist?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You feel me? So it means multiple things in you
in particular contexts Now, y'all.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
May have seen the only Palestinian congress person we have
get censured over using the phrase from the river to
the sea.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It'll be the.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Same way as me losing gigs for saying black lives matter,
where it's like nigga they do. Though, what does that mean?
You're a part of BLM. Black Lives Matter is a
nonprofit organization and no, I've never paid dues to it.
But do black lives matter?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yes? I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
If you want to read this in the most cynical
way you can, you just are being stupid and you're
weaponizing a phrase that don't have to be that black
lives matter, don't mean, nobody else's life don't matter. It
don't mean that at all, except in some people's mouth
maybe a do. But you know, coming out of my mouth,
that's not what I meant. So we knew coming out
of our congresswoman's mouth that ain't what she meant.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She wasn't talking about the eradication of Israel. Come on, man,
even in this discussion, like the idea of a one
state or two state solution right river to the sea,
there's a thing that a two state solution would be.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Like Nigga, just let Palestine be a country. Like just
I don't understand why you making this so difficult. You
done already chunked off, you know, eighty percent of a
land like damn, Nigga, Gaza in West Bank, they used
to have to go Line Heights cause you know what
I'm saying, Like Nigga, just man, chill, just let them
they fighting you cause you won't leave them the fuck alone.
Like just shit, bro, Like you just keep like even
(30:31):
even in the West Bank, like Nigga, you got Israeli settlements,
like nigga, just shit, man, Just sign a deal and
make a fucking border like you don't have to, Like
why do you have to have it all right?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's like the two state solution, just let them be
a thing. Israel like, well, if.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
They exist, our safety is in danger. We can't handle
two state solution. We have to control them because they're danger.
That's that's Israel's argument. Another one is Israel's arguments is like, yo,
we tried. We keep offering them things like yo, we
let Hamas govern like we just backed out, we left
in two thousand and seven, like we let Hamas govern
West or governed Gaza, like and look what this shit
(31:08):
turned out to be?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like what you like?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
What more do you want? Like we trying. They don't
believe in compromise. Aw y'all mad at us damn is
their argument, to which the Palestinians are like, nigga, you
call this a compromise. You can't be serious, Like this
is an un that is an unseerious statement, like you
cannot you cannot actually.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Believe that you're leaving us alone? You could this is
not a what you've giving us.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You're giving us these ugly ass three sixty record deals
and you really think like like you really think.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We'd that stupid?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Like no, this is not a tenable deal, Like even
the most pragmatic of Palestinian government official was like, oh
this this is a bullshit deal, Like you do know
we're a country, not country. I just came back from
Hong Kong. Hong Kong is like China not China, Like
I just what is this? And then you have the
(32:02):
more hard line is really are Like when I say exist,
I mean living, I'm not saying as a nation state,
I mean any of them alive. Then our safety is
in danger's That's that other argument which brings me to,
in my mind, the most chilling statement to come out
of at least out of Benjamin.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
That and Yahoo's mouth.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
We'll talk about Ma's next episode, you know, to figure
out the math here, like okay, what was your end game?
But we'll talk about that next. It turns out they didn't.
They ain't realize how with the shits Benjamin was. But anyway,
at least that's my opinion. But that's next week.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
He in this speech he gave and this is like,
this is the phrase that made me be like, okay,
we need to do an episode about this.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Is he quotes this Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy. Now
I don't know how many of y'all have read your
Bible's lift through Sunday School. You know, I don't care
if it's a Mormon Sunday School. Hell, you could be Muslim.
You know what I'm saying. And you have probably you
(33:10):
probably understand Deuteronomy.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Probably know more about your Bible than a lot of
Christians do.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Anyway, you've gotten to this.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Part and he quotes this passage where he says, remember,
and I'm not gonna do it in a Hebrew accent
because that's corny. But he said, it's corny for me
to do it. I'm not saying a Hebrew accent is corny.
You understand what I mean. I'm not gonna mock the
man's accent. But he said, remember what the Amalekites did
(33:41):
to you. Now, the Amalekites were in the Old Testament.
Maybe they're a mythical maybe they're not real, like I
don't know, I'm they were a tribe in the land
of Canaan, which is modern day area that we're talking about. Right,
(34:02):
Let me fast, let me rewind back a little further.
You got Father Abraham who had many sons, and many
sons had father Abraham. Right, So Abraham, father of Jews, Christians,
and Muslim religion. He was our you know, the father
of the three fates, caming from Arv. Chaldeans had his
son Isaac, had his son Jacob, but Abraham also had instead,
(34:24):
not just Isaac, had Ishmael. And there's a belief that
like Ishmael and Hagar, which was Abraham's wive's handmaiden. This
is all Bible stuff, became the father of Islam. Right anyway,
that's lineage stuff that I'm in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
The point is.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
When Israel, you know, fast forward to Moses. Let my
people go, you know, Prince of Egypt. They leave Egypt,
they wonder the wilderness for forty days on their way
to the Promised Land, which is the land for which
all of this shit is about, like it currently, you know,
according to their bi this is Genesis doubt right now,
(35:06):
as they were supposed to subdue the land. Right, he's
calling back to this idea of this promise that Yahweh
of the Scriptures gave the children of Israel that this
land will be yours. But you have to drive out
the people bother me that are there now, the people
(35:28):
that were there at the time were called the Canaanites
because they were in the land of Canaan. Now, Canaan
had a lot of different type of tribes that exist. Now,
again we're talking ancient history, so tribal warfare is something
that's super normal, right. Unfortunately, now we have guns. But
one of those tribes that were there that were enemies
(35:49):
of Israel were a tribe called the Amalekites. Now, a
lot of readings from modern Judaea sees a lot of
this stuff as metaphor, like that theyre weren't really a
group a tribe called the Amalekites. And this story is
(36:10):
more akin to like the greater and Higher Jihad inside
of Islam, which is the idea of like the war
within yourself, the war to subdue, to fight against evil
urges and to push the lower parts of you, the
low vibrations of yourself, to subdue those and be a
(36:30):
master of your own urges, your own bodies, to choose
the right things, to choose good rather than choosing the
debate sort of id of it all, right, if you're Christian,
this is the idea of like the war of the
flesh versus the war of the spirit. You're beating your
flesh into submission. You know, you're holding thoughts captive, like
that's that First Corinthians idea, you know, bring every thought
(36:53):
into captivity of the will of God. Like, so there's
an idea here that goes across all of our faiths.
And let me and say this man like to my
Jewish friends, like, even with the time I've spent in
like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, I was there for a
few Shabbat meals. Well, it's a beautiful, beautiful faith, a
(37:14):
beautiful tradition in history. Okay, So I just want to
put that out there. The Amalekites symboli you defeating your
inner id, right, But why this is so chilling is
the is what the rest of that passage says. It says,
remember what the Amalekites did to you, and then God
commands them to go kill every man, woman, child, cow calf.
(37:42):
And if you read Joe King James Versus, it said,
and everything that pisseth against the wall pisseth. When we
was in Sunday school, we used to love that phrase.
So for him to invoke that, if you if you've
been through, if you've been through a bar mitzvah, if
you had to read them scriptures. You know what he's saying.
(38:02):
I mean, that's a call to genocide. I know what
you meant when you said that he was saying. The
offense on October seventh was such a green light that
I can invoke this part.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Of our faith. Now.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I feel like, because again I speak because blood, gang banging,
and because I grew up in church, I heard what
he said.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Now I don't know the man. I just know what
you just communicated to me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Because of all the passages in Natara, that's the one
you're gonna call on, the one that says, oh, wipe
them out. And then you couple that with his actions.
Now ain't no peace. I feel like I heard what
you just said, big dog. Now, like I said in
the beginning, a government is not its people. It's people
(39:23):
are not its government. So this is not a disc
to the people of Israel. Although I'm pretty sure there
are some that may agree with him, I am also
very aware of many people that don't. And I'm also
aware of many Jewish people that ain't got no idea
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
They're like, Lord, we just looved man. I don't remember
none of that shit. I just know what he said
is almost impossible to miss.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now, I'm not saying this from some particular high horse,
because America does it all the time. We did it
to the natives all the time. Like their justification of
slavery was this idea that they were bringing the gospel
to Africa. Like, so don't like, listen, I'm not there's
blood on our hands. I just know, homie, I heard
(40:34):
what you said, and I think I think your country
mayor heard what you said too. And no, fam you
could have said a lot of different things. That's the
one you said. So whoever wrote that shit and got
(40:55):
you to say it, Oh, nigga, you knew what you
were saying. Little politics, y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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this before, but you know you could use promo code
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Like I forgot I own that company and this is
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(41:40):
If you in the cold Brew, get you some cold brew,
gonna get you some coffee. Yeah, Like, I can't believe
I ain't think of this still right.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Now, y'all, y'all, this thing right here was recorded by
Me Propaganda and East Lows, Boil Heights, Los Angeles, California.
This thing was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by the
(42:10):
one and the only Matt Awsowski. Y'all check out this
fool's music. I mean it's incredible. Executive produced by Sophie
Lichterman for Cool Zone Media. Man, and thank you for
everybody who continue to tap in with us. Make sure
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(42:33):
remind you these people is not smarter than you. If
you understand city living, you understand politics.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
We'll see you next week.
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