March 19, 2026 • 33 mins
Word came down that Disney was cancelling the highly hyped and anticipated new season of the Bachelorette just as we were recording the fallout from newly leaked video of Taylor Frankie Paul attacking her ex. The disturbing video is from the 2023 domestic violence incident between Paul and Dakota Mortenson, where Paul pleaded guilty to aggravated assault. Once you hear the audio of her then 5 year old daughter crying in pain when she’s hit with a metal barstool thrown by Paul, it is clear Disney had no choice but to cancel the entire season.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, March nineteenth. They have
to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette because
now there is video, and with that, welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Everybody's been talking about this.
We knew there was a chance, but now there is
(00:31):
a leaked video that is out there Robes of a
domestic violence incident that we knew about from twenty twenty three,
in which he pled guilty. I will start with this
with you, babe, Bachelorette disposed. This new season supposed to
start on Sunday. We weren't together when this video came
out just a little while ago. You happened to be
out in an appointment, so we didn't watch it together.
(00:52):
Let me ask you, aside from Bachelorette, forget show, forget entertainment,
forget Disney, give me your human reaction to seeing this
video of a domestic violence incident that we'd heard about
with Taylor Frankie Paul. Just give me your human reaction
when you watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I felt disgusted. I actually felt physically ill. I felt
nausea actually, and it was yes.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
The video, but for me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was almost more the audio because you can hear Taylor,
Frankie Paul's five year old little girl at the time,
crying in the background. You can hear her after she
gets hit with a metal barstool that you see Taylor throwing,
and you hear her ex pleading for her to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, we need to And I think at this point
Roaes everybody has followed this story. They know who she is.
Frankie Taylor Paul, the firebrand, the lead, the star of
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu. It's in its
fourth season now. ABC trying to revive the Bachelorette, plucked her,
select did her, and we knew what they were trying
(02:03):
to go after. She She's a firebrand. She's different from
any bachelorette they ever had. Some thought it was a
good decision, a good way to revive the brand. People
will follow her. It's going to be crazy, that was
the strategy. But Rodes they selected her knowing that she
had pled guilty in a domestic violence incident.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So what's changed, exactly right, And let's back it up
even before that, because when Hulu had her be a
part of and of course Disney owns Hulu to be
a part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They
knew that this whole show became what it was around
a swinging, a soft swinging situation. So you've got, you know,
(02:48):
folks who might not agree with that from a moral standpoint.
Just how she came into fame on mom Talk, on TikTok.
It was all blown up and she became a name
because of a swinging scandal.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We're talking about criminal activity now and violence and what
didn't they shut down production for a while on Secret
Lives of Mormon Wives because she was dealing with this
domestic violence incident, correct twenty twenty three, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So yes, so this all happened then while that was
being filmed, and you are correct, Disney, Hulu, ABC. They
all knew that she pleaded guilty to what we are
seeing on this video. And look, we don't know for
sure if they knew there was a video, but I'm
guessing they did, and they were hoping or maybe they
(03:35):
were reassured that whoever had ownership of this video, her
ex is the one who shot it, or who at
least recorded it.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Maybe they felt reassured that this video would never see
the light of day. How could they not have known
about it?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
If this was a part of an investigation, clearly the
police would have known about this way.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My argument is, what difference does it make you knew
there was an incident in domestic violence, she played guilty,
and you decided to go forward. What difference does the
video make? Are you going to come back now and say, well,
it was domestic violence, but we didn't think it was
that bad? What can you say?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is what they'll have to say, you knew this.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The only option they have, is it not Robes, is
to say she misrepresented what the incident was, and now
that we've seen this, we can't move forward. They are
either about to throw her under the biggest bus you
can find, or they are going to have to quadruple
down and move forward for the sake of ratings.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They knew that she pleaded guilty to aggravated.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Assault with you yes, So it's.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Really hard for me and I'm thinking you as well,
to believe that they didn't know the risk they were
taking and they went ahead anyway and took it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So maybe that's it. They took the risk and they
just lost. Because this show cannot air, We're going to
let you hear this audio. And you might have seen
the video already, but to your point, Robes, it's the
audio that stings. It's so painful, it is so hurtful
to hear. And is that moment? And we've heard about
ropes describe the incident before we even saw the video.
(05:13):
This incident's been talked about for years, what it looked like,
how it went down, what was thrown, choke holes and Okay,
we knew about all this, did we not?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yes? And Babe, we sat down with Taylor on our
podcast talking and she referred to this talking about this
incident because she had to deal with it, she had
to address it, and she apologized. She said she was drunk.
She said she got sober after that night. And you
can tell she's drunk.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She is slurring her words.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You can tell she is absolutely a neebreated and she
has admitted that she was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
In fact, that was in a way her defense.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I was wasted, I was so drunk, I was out
of control.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And that was the night I got sober. And I
think everybody was rallying around her in that moment. She
turned her life around. She wanted to do better. To
be better.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But now with this second investigation, there it is there.
It is about another alleged domestic violence incident where Dakota,
who is in this video and this audio you will
hear him, claims that she was violent again towards him.
She claims he was violent towards her. But you can
even hear her in this video saying you did it,
(06:21):
you did it. But what you see is her doing it,
not him.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, so we are going to go ahead and let
you hear this. Now it goes a little and again
we know this now or is coming out now because
of TMZ TMZ and I think you read it as well, Rose,
But it's a little unclear exactly how they got it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They're not saying how they got it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
They were saying this was part of evidence in the
case against her at the time, but they're not exactly
saying how they got their hands on it. They were
a little vague there, point being it's out there now.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It was leaked.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I guess that's the verb everyone is using, leaked video.
Leaked old video. This is video of an incident we
already knew about. But my god, it's one thing to
hear about it hear it described, it's another thing to
actually see it and listen for yourself as it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And if you have seen it already, it is still
I would argue, Robes a little different when you're just
hearing to the audio of it. So, folks, just gonna
let you hear about fifty to fifty five seconds of it.
It goes I think three minutes or so, but we
will let you take a listen. Now again, this is
the beginning of it. To set the scene, he is
recording in a larger living room that goes into the
(07:33):
kitchen area. There is a couch in the living room
area where he is, and she is a little distance
away at some points and starts throwing you'll hear them
metal chairs, and then closer to the end you do
hear the incident and Robes it was. It's tough. I
think it was the third stool she had thrown.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and that multiple stools.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's the one where you hear him say your child's here,
And as soon as the third one is thrown, you
hear the child start crying immediately and you can't help
but her so here it is now, folks, take a quick.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Listen, Yeah, look at you.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Look.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Look, yeah, look, this is called physical abuse.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah yeah, See Taylor, this is all you do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's the only thing you know how to do is
hurt me.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And you think this is okay.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's not okay. Let me go stop dude, leave me alone.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Oh my god, your daughter is great here. Oh my gosh,
oh my.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You you.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Stop stop freaming at it. Yeah, Taylor, you're done, Taylor,
that is no, You're gone. Be un.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Robes. Uh. Listening to it is almost worse than seeing it.
It's heartbreaking to uh in a lot of way. And
it's you hear that kid's cries and you can't help,
but it that stings. That's difficult, that's brutal. We're all
hearing this now and on Sunday. ABC is expecting us
to watch a television and watch her hand out roses
(09:50):
and smile and date and we're expected to root for her,
which is possible, Robes, I guess, but it is very difficult.
It's Thursday, baby, The show is in three days. Is
there any way this show airs on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
As soon as I watched it, I thought not a chance.
Look and as of this recording, ABC, Disney, Hulu. No
one has officially said anything about this. And look, even
with this second domestic violence allegation and investigation that is
ongoing right now enough to put Mormon Wives taping filming
(10:35):
on hold, we still saw Taylor Frankie Paul make the
rounds the last two days. She did a live interview
on Good Morning America, She spoke to People Magazine, she
spoke to several of the other entertainment outlets. So just
talking about how heavy it was, how hard it was,
so they were still pushing through everything.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
As we are sitting here with you, folks, it just
popped up on our screen that TMZ reporting that, yes,
in fact, her season has been canceled. As we are
sitting here, as we are talking, and now we're seeing
notes from our people out in La or iHeart, folks,
it's canceled. This is just happening, folks, in this moment.
(11:18):
The video came out, Sweetheart, an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You cannot you can't and you hear it, you cannot
unsee it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It involves a child.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And yes, the only thing I thought, could they hold
on to this notion that they knew about it already,
and that She's changed her life. Maybe they could have
had there not been a second investigation.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
If there was not, that was my question.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
If there had never been a second alleged incident, if
there wasn't now another police investigation, could they have said
she has changed her way, she has gone to therapy,
she has redeemed herself. She you know, all throughout the
second you can't say any of those things now with
another police investigation alleging the exact same type of behavior.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This is sad. This is so sad. And you know
who I'm the first you know what I'm thinking about. Yeah,
we think about the child, we think robes. I'm sad
with Jesse Palmer. I'm sad for all the bookers who
work forever to find these guys. I'm sad for all
those people who work to make sure they did background
checks on all these guys. I'm sad for all those
(12:22):
people who put all this effort into making this show
a hit and this has happened to them.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, because all of those people had nothing to do
with the decision.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
To choose Taylor Franky Paul as the bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
All of that work and you know how much work
forget even the money, but just how much of an
investment of your time? And I do believe Jesse Palmer
and the folks there at The Bachelorette believe in their show.
Yes it's a reality show, Yes it's entertainment, but they
have always been proud of the fact that they genuinely
and legitimately were trying to help people find love, find
(13:00):
lasting relationships, and yes, find a beautiful marriage.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And this flew in the face of all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
From the beginning that this was the one, This was
the year right, this was supposed to be the comeback.
They bet big, babe, they lost big. This is coming
to us again. We have not TIMZ Celebrity News is
just as trusted as anybody else out there. They've made
their mistakes, but this is not some wild tabloid we're
talking about here. TMZ reporting the headline the Bachelorette Taylor
(13:29):
Frankie Paul season canceled. They have a statement in here
robes from the Disney spokesperson that's sitting here, so they're
saying they actually have talked to somebody from Disney and
gave them a statement confirming that, in fact, this show
will not go forward on Sunday Robes. This is not
information we had when we hit record to record this podcast,
(13:50):
but we thought there was no way, and sure enough,
here it is.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yes, this is happening in real time.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A Disney Entertainment spokesperson said, in light of the newly
released video just surface today, we have made the decision
to not move forward with the new season of The
Bauch Threat at this time, and our focus is on
supporting the family. This is worst case scenario and there
(14:15):
is going to be a lot of finger pointing and
fall out over this. This is a massive, massive development.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Finger pointing. You know, there is man's robes. Where do
you even start? Who chose her? Who missed this in
the background, who didn't know the video was out there?
How did the video get out? How did this other
incident take place? How do we know it know about that?
Who said we should put her on the red carpet
at the oscars? Who said we should have her do
the interview on Good Morning America and not ask her
(14:45):
a serious question? Robes, over and over and over. This
is what you talked about. She did that interview this morning.
You said, guys, this is how you do it. You
give her a tough question. You have a combative interview.
She's been out there and she's addressing and taking it
head on. So if something like this comes up, Robes,
this was your argument, you can look better as a network,
(15:07):
as a company by putting her on your network and
holding our feet to the fire.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
She needed to explain this, And now that we see
this video where she's talking about her pain and her hurt,
it really, really, really is. I hate to use the
word disgusting, but that is how it feels. It feels gross,
it feels itchy, it feels manipulative. And you saw this
roll out, this pr campaign, and then you see this
(15:34):
video and again coupled with new allegations.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Of the same type of behavior. How is that allowed?
How is this ever?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Okay, I'm looking. I'm going back through our our text messages,
go to where is this? I said, Babe, it's bad.
TMZ has somehow gotten the video of the twenty twenty
three domestic Isolents video with Taylor Frankie. It's not quite ditty,
but it's bad. They cannot stand by this girl. This
(16:09):
is sad.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Then I said, Oi, I had a feeling that was
coming because we had heard there was already talk that
there were videos, right, so you said, go to their website.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's at the top. Sucks.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then I wrote to you, no way Sunday can
go on as planned. You wrote, it's really ugly.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
This is unsurvivable for AVC to put her on the air.
I robes, this is a devastating story. It's devastating for
that network. It's devastating for Disney, it's devastating for that show,
The Bachelor Nation. It is devastating. I don't know what
(16:49):
lessons we learn here, babe, but it was one of
the early There are conversations I was wanting to have
that I didn't understand, and that is why we consider
domestic violence. Why this story wasn't serious enough, why it
didn't feel like and even after watching the video, I
stopped and thought, maybe some people will see this and go, well,
she's just a little girl and tiny girl, and she
(17:11):
got upset and throwing some things. No big deal. This
isn't the same as a man putting his hands on
a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
When you see her like literally attempting to choke him,
and you hear his voice struggling, when you see her
hurling heavy metal objects at him, as hard as she can,
screaming uncontrollably, you did this as she's doing it, and
then Babe to see her response through her spokespeople after
(17:41):
the video was released to me, that was it was
even worse because there's zero acknowledgment of what we're all seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So the plan we had, folks for this episode was
to actually let you know about the video, play the
audio of the video, and let you know what all
sides are saying. Right now. We do want to let
you hear the statement from Taylor Frankie Paul's camp, but
this was the statement they put out after the video,
(18:10):
but before we heard about the cancelation. Stay here. We'll
let you know about this and let you hear this.
How'd you just describe rate? It was confusing, this tone
deaf statement from her camp. Stay here continuing now here
(18:34):
on Amy and TJ, The Bachelorette is canceled, according to TMZ,
citing a statement they have now gotten from Disney spokesperson
saying that the Taylor Frankie Paul season of Bachelorette season
twenty two that was supposed to start on Sunday with Rose,
when was she announced? How many months ago? Was it?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Oh? I find some time ago. I believe in the summer.
It was long time.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh my gosh, there has been a build up and
a build up and a build up of folks in
the you just heard it here. We are getting word
as we were recording about this Robes we were talking earlier.
When we started recording, we had only known that the
video was out and that her camp put out a
statement in response. Before we give any kind of interpretation
(19:19):
or our feelings about it, just let the people hear.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I got a lot of feelings about it. I did
as soon as I heard it. But we'll let you
all have your feelings and then we can discuss. This
is what Taylor Frankie Paul spokes people said after the
video was released. It's sad to see the latest installment
of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to
harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child.
(19:45):
Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their
son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Distract from his own behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows
who he is is, and sadly many will recognize this
pattern of manipulation, both in his actions on the show
and from their own experiences.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Go ahead, have your reaction first.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Gas lighting one oh one. I know what I saw
in that video. It doesn't require context. I don't care
what the context is. It is never acceptable to choke someone,
to throw heavy metal object at someone, and certainly to
do any of that when your five year old child
is right there. And then when the video shows you
out of control, drunk and actually harming your child. The reaction,
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the statement should be, this is mortifying, this is horrific.
I have done so much work to evolve from this
person who I see in that video. I don't even
recognize that person. I'm sober. You take accountability. All they
did was say.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Dakota is to.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Blame what Okay, I didn't put it in as full
of context as you just put it. There was no
accountability in the station, deer roam. She's not responsible at
all for any of that behavior, according to the statement. Now, Rose,
we don't know who put this video out and we
don't know why, But what difference for ABC should it make?
(21:15):
You Remember the Ray Rice situation NFL running back. It
was with Baltimore at the time, there was a horrific
video of him hitting his fiance at the time. You remember,
it's in the elevator and then he's dragged knocked her
out and dragged her to Okay, you know what I'm talking.
So the NFL had done the punishment to him behind
the scenes and everything, he'd done his time, and then
(21:38):
the video came out and they came back and tried
to punish him more, and a court stepped in and said, nope,
you knew about this. Nothing is changed. You just see video.
You can't change it now, is there any way? There
was a conversation about that, should we feel any differently
about it just because we see it? If I hear
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domestic violence and a man versus takes on a woman
with domestic violence, he is an instant monster. He is instantly,
instantly a monster. Why is it? Then rogues, we've heard
about this domestic violence. Okay, let's push forward, and now
we see it and all of a sudden, okay, this
is ugly.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The truth is she's barely five feet tall and it's
a he said, she said, kind of a thing. And yes,
police wait and police did do the investigation. But you
can maybe create some allowances in your mind or how
bad was it really? Like how much did she actually
overreact and did.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
She just throw one chair or three? What was her demeanor?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You just what when you see and hear this video?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It is undeniable, It is unmistakable, and it's actually, for
me one hundred times worse than I imagined it was.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You know, that was a good phrase you use. You
said allowances in your own mind, and we were willing
to do that, and we have to admit that that
is something we don't subconsciously do. But now, Robes, this
is violent. This is not just ugly. This is not
a scandal, This is not a tabloid headline. This is violence.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't think she can go back to Mormon wives
at all, period. And the women have come out on
their different social media accounts saying they're the ones who
asked for the pause, that they didn't want to film
with her, that they were deeply concerned about the first incident,
but now with the second one being investigated, they were like,
we don't want to be a part of anything with her.
(23:32):
So the idea of her actually ever coming back in
any way seems slim to not at this point, And
who knows what's going to happen with this other police investigation.
There was taught that I think he got to a
point this is what he claims that it's happened enough times.
He started recording it because think about it. As a man,
what's his defense.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
She's going to say you hit me first, or you
hit me too, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So he started recording so he had a defense, so
he could defend him.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And he wasn't charged.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
She woh god, damn, oh my god. This is awful.
This is just awful. What are we gonna take out
of it? What are we gonna learn from it? I
don't know what the conversation should be. She in this video,
Robes looks troubled. She needs help, She needs help, and
she said she has admitted that she got it. Okay,
(24:24):
if she got it, should we will put that behind
and say, okay, we're gonna support you. You can do that, Robes.
It's just such a big ask when the type of
show she's trying to do, she's not just trying to
do a Mormon lives follow my Life. She is trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Say I'm datable, I'm a I'm marriage material. Take me
home to your Mom, that's what that show is. It
is it's it's not the right show.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So let's go with the last couple of things to
wrap up here, Robes, the guys, that's not fair to them.
Those guys. We actually know people personally who have gone
through the process of dealing with bachelor and bachelorette and
going through the process of being selected, and it is you.
They put you through the ringer. All these guys went
through that ringer. They took time off from friends, family, work,
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to sacrifice to be here for something and Robes, some
of them might have been looking for some clout, but
there you have to think that there's some guys who
were genuinely interested in Frankie Taylor, in her and wanting
to find love.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, we do have a friend who went through the process,
got up towards the very end, and he would even
tell us about how intrusive you go through like multiple interviews,
they meet your friends in truth to your family, they
actually find out who you are. What you could think
about the liability you know on that show, you you're matchmaking,
you're introducing people to each other. You have to make
sure that people who you're introducing other people to are
(25:57):
legit nonviolent, safe, you know, as best as you can.
So with all of that said, it is a head
scratcher that it got as far as it did, all
for ratings, all for publicity, all for clicks, and this
is what has happened, and it's just sad all around.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The defense of Disney. This is gonna sound crazy, But
if you were okay with them putting her on knowing
about this incident, then why shouldn't you still be support
above them after the incident. We knew about it. Now
it's just we see it and like, ooh, now it's
too much for us. No, you knew your bachelorette had
(26:39):
a domestic violence guilty plea on her record, and we
were okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Then I think people were hoping that it wasn't as
bad as maybe it seemed or as they heard.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
When you see that, when you hear it, there is
no gray area.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, so then what happens next now ropes, Well, I think,
like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot
of finger pointing. There's gonna be a lot of cya
going on, and it's gonna be interesting to find out
if anyone who was involved in that show and making
the decision, knew about the video, saw the video, and
if TMZ could get the video, then I'm gonna go
(27:15):
ahead and tide Disney should have been able to get
that bit.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh. I don't know. TMZ has its ways. I don't know,
but if we knew about it, I could have described
as incident to any Disney official that asked. I said, yeah,
so what she did was she put them in chokehold.
And the record says that she threw these metal barstools
and her child got hit by one. That's what the video,
any video would show. They knew that, and they knew
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about it, and they said, you know what.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
That's cool, Let's make her America sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The only thing Roles that can save them possibly is
to throw her again under the biggest greyhound they can
find and say she lie to us and misrepresented what
that incident was and we would have never gone through
with this had we known about that, that it was
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that bad, but she assured us that it wasn't. What
other option do they have than to throw her under
a bus.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't know, but I don't think that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Really, You come on, who gets more heat Disney or her.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think Disney ultimately is going to need the heat
for this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You think the audience is going to support her, her fans,
her tailor army or whatever. You think they'll just.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
No, She's obviously going to be completely destroyed by this,
But I think Disney is going to take a huge
hit for this. Really, people question their choice from the beginning.
It was controversial from the very beginning, and now it
ends like this worst case scenario controversial.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It looked fine to me on Sunday when I watched
the Oscars. She was the big star there as far
as talent for ABC reporting from the red carpet. What
are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It was controversial in many many circles that they picture.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I know what you all believe. I know what you're saying.
But we had gotten to a point where it seemed
to be celebrated. Even thought it was a good move,
it was emotional.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh absolutely, Oh this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is awful, folks, to tell you. I mean people, redemption
can happen.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Babe, I mean people can I believe that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Awful, awful decision. Look, there are people out there who've
had DUIs and they had manslaughter charges. There people who
served time for killing folks. There are people who have
done all kinds of horrific things, and Babe, you can
turn your life around.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Agreed that that can happen, But you probably shouldn't go
on a dating show where you're lauded as an American sweetheart,
someone to bring home to Mama, when you have been
or at least you've pleaded guilty to domestic violence charge
and are now in the middle of another domestic violence investigation,
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criminal investigation with that same ex boyfriend who you had
zero issue telling the world you slept with the night
before you went on to go start filming The Bachelor.
That just shows you how seriously she was actually taking
this as an opportunity to find love. That to me
is almost spitting in the face of the show.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I guess and us who actually look at Tristan and
Ryan and turn that show on, so we are Tristan
and Ryan are why I still give the show any
ounce of legitimacy. I was like, oh, wow, this can work,
it can and it has. We've known hell Rachel Lindsay
got married, she ended up getting divorced. These are friends
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of ours. Matt James had a long relationship ends up
not being together.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But it was a legitimate relationship where they were thinking
about marriage.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Absolutely, we've been a part, We've seen it work. This
says to us to the audience that it's something else.
Now it's a spectacle, a spectacle, and this is what
this was. Folks. We appreciate you listening. We just wanted
to hop on. This wasn't the episode we expected now
and quite frankly, this ropes. This is the first time
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the news has broken while we are in the middle
of red.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
This is a first and takes us back. Yeah right,
it was almost like breaking news takes us back.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well, folks, we appreciate you. Anything else hopped out on
this one. I do want to ropes. We mentioned did
you see this up on yours as well? TMZ. Also
this note here that they're saying Dakota has actually filed
for some kind of restraining order and wants sole custody
of their child. Here it is ropes.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So this is getting messier and messier and messier.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, this is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is what
tends to happen. And yes, now Dakota, it appears, is
looking for soul custody and after that video.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He probably has a pretty decent case.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So our look, our thanks on our credit right now
to TMZ that has gotten hands on the video and
has pushed this story forward. Is the last thing to you? Babe?
Was this important? Did we need to see this video
before the show?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
If it would have come out in the middle of
the show, that would have been horrible. But did we
need to see this? Did we need did this video
need to come out? If this would have just gone away,
was buried and never existed with things have just gone
on as planned?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Probably And I was thinking about this moment when Harvey
Levin knew he had this video, he had to.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Know when he put it up.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He had to know that he was changing a lot
of lives and that this show was almost certainly going
to get canceled. He knows this business. He knew what
he was going to happen when he made this public.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He probably called Disney before he posted and say, hey,
heads up up, I got this. Do you have a
coming yet? Folks? T J. Holmes here on behalf of
my dear Amy Robach. We will be talking to you soon.
Anything hops out on this story, we certainly will will
update you but we appreciate you as always so spending
some time here with us
Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, March nineteenth. They have
to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette because
now there is video, and with that, welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Everybody's been talking about this.
We knew there was a chance, but now there is
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a leaked video that is out there Robes of a
domestic violence incident that we knew about from twenty twenty three,
in which he pled guilty. I will start with this
with you, babe, Bachelorette disposed. This new season supposed to
start on Sunday. We weren't together when this video came
out just a little while ago. You happened to be
out in an appointment, so we didn't watch it together.
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Let me ask you, aside from Bachelorette, forget show, forget entertainment,
forget Disney, give me your human reaction to seeing this
video of a domestic violence incident that we'd heard about
with Taylor Frankie Paul. Just give me your human reaction
when you watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I felt disgusted. I actually felt physically ill. I felt
nausea actually, and it was yes.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
The video, but for me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was almost more the audio because you can hear Taylor,
Frankie Paul's five year old little girl at the time,
crying in the background. You can hear her after she
gets hit with a metal barstool that you see Taylor throwing,
and you hear her ex pleading for her to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, we need to And I think at this point
Roaes everybody has followed this story. They know who she is.
Frankie Taylor Paul, the firebrand, the lead, the star of
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu. It's in its
fourth season now. ABC trying to revive the Bachelorette, plucked her,
select did her, and we knew what they were trying
(02:03):
to go after. She She's a firebrand. She's different from
any bachelorette they ever had. Some thought it was a
good decision, a good way to revive the brand. People
will follow her. It's going to be crazy, that was
the strategy. But Rodes they selected her knowing that she
had pled guilty in a domestic violence incident.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So what's changed, exactly right, And let's back it up
even before that, because when Hulu had her be a
part of and of course Disney owns Hulu to be
a part of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They
knew that this whole show became what it was around
a swinging, a soft swinging situation. So you've got, you know,
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folks who might not agree with that from a moral standpoint.
Just how she came into fame on mom Talk, on TikTok.
It was all blown up and she became a name
because of a swinging scandal.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We're talking about criminal activity now and violence and what
didn't they shut down production for a while on Secret
Lives of Mormon Wives because she was dealing with this
domestic violence incident, correct twenty twenty three, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So yes, so this all happened then while that was
being filmed, and you are correct, Disney, Hulu, ABC. They
all knew that she pleaded guilty to what we are
seeing on this video. And look, we don't know for
sure if they knew there was a video, but I'm
guessing they did, and they were hoping or maybe they
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were reassured that whoever had ownership of this video, her
ex is the one who shot it, or who at
least recorded it.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Maybe they felt reassured that this video would never see
the light of day. How could they not have known
about it?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
If this was a part of an investigation, clearly the
police would have known about this way.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My argument is, what difference does it make you knew
there was an incident in domestic violence, she played guilty,
and you decided to go forward. What difference does the
video make? Are you going to come back now and say, well,
it was domestic violence, but we didn't think it was
that bad? What can you say?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is what they'll have to say, you knew this.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The only option they have, is it not Robes, is
to say she misrepresented what the incident was, and now
that we've seen this, we can't move forward. They are
either about to throw her under the biggest bus you
can find, or they are going to have to quadruple
down and move forward for the sake of ratings.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They knew that she pleaded guilty to aggravated.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Assault with you yes, So it's.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Really hard for me and I'm thinking you as well,
to believe that they didn't know the risk they were
taking and they went ahead anyway and took it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So maybe that's it. They took the risk and they
just lost. Because this show cannot air, We're going to
let you hear this audio. And you might have seen
the video already, but to your point, Robes, it's the
audio that stings. It's so painful, it is so hurtful
to hear. And is that moment? And we've heard about
ropes describe the incident before we even saw the video.
(05:13):
This incident's been talked about for years, what it looked like,
how it went down, what was thrown, choke holes and Okay,
we knew about all this, did we not?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yes? And Babe, we sat down with Taylor on our
podcast talking and she referred to this talking about this
incident because she had to deal with it, she had
to address it, and she apologized. She said she was drunk.
She said she got sober after that night. And you
can tell she's drunk.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She is slurring her words.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You can tell she is absolutely a neebreated and she
has admitted that she was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
In fact, that was in a way her defense.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I was wasted, I was so drunk, I was out
of control.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And that was the night I got sober. And I
think everybody was rallying around her in that moment. She
turned her life around. She wanted to do better. To
be better.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But now with this second investigation, there it is there.
It is about another alleged domestic violence incident where Dakota,
who is in this video and this audio you will
hear him, claims that she was violent again towards him.
She claims he was violent towards her. But you can
even hear her in this video saying you did it,
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you did it. But what you see is her doing it,
not him.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay, so we are going to go ahead and let
you hear this. Now it goes a little and again
we know this now or is coming out now because
of TMZ TMZ and I think you read it as well, Rose,
But it's a little unclear exactly how they got it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They're not saying how they got it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
They were saying this was part of evidence in the
case against her at the time, but they're not exactly
saying how they got their hands on it. They were
a little vague there, point being it's out there now.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It was leaked.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I guess that's the verb everyone is using, leaked video.
Leaked old video. This is video of an incident we
already knew about. But my god, it's one thing to
hear about it hear it described, it's another thing to
actually see it and listen for yourself as it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And if you have seen it already, it is still
I would argue, Robes a little different when you're just
hearing to the audio of it. So, folks, just gonna
let you hear about fifty to fifty five seconds of it.
It goes I think three minutes or so, but we
will let you take a listen. Now again, this is
the beginning of it. To set the scene, he is
recording in a larger living room that goes into the
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kitchen area. There is a couch in the living room
area where he is, and she is a little distance
away at some points and starts throwing you'll hear them
metal chairs, and then closer to the end you do
hear the incident and Robes it was. It's tough. I
think it was the third stool she had thrown.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and that multiple stools.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's the one where you hear him say your child's here,
And as soon as the third one is thrown, you
hear the child start crying immediately and you can't help
but her so here it is now, folks, take a quick.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Listen, Yeah, look at you.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Look.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Look, yeah, look, this is called physical abuse.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah yeah, See Taylor, this is all you do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's the only thing you know how to do is
hurt me.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And you think this is okay.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's not okay. Let me go stop dude, leave me alone.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Oh my god, your daughter is great here. Oh my gosh,
oh my.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You you.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Stop stop freaming at it. Yeah, Taylor, you're done, Taylor,
that is no, You're gone. Be un.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Robes. Uh. Listening to it is almost worse than seeing it.
It's heartbreaking to uh in a lot of way. And
it's you hear that kid's cries and you can't help,
but it that stings. That's difficult, that's brutal. We're all
hearing this now and on Sunday. ABC is expecting us
to watch a television and watch her hand out roses
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and smile and date and we're expected to root for her,
which is possible, Robes, I guess, but it is very difficult.
It's Thursday, baby, The show is in three days. Is
there any way this show airs on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
As soon as I watched it, I thought not a chance.
Look and as of this recording, ABC, Disney, Hulu. No
one has officially said anything about this. And look, even
with this second domestic violence allegation and investigation that is
ongoing right now enough to put Mormon Wives taping filming
(10:35):
on hold, we still saw Taylor Frankie Paul make the
rounds the last two days. She did a live interview
on Good Morning America, She spoke to People Magazine, she
spoke to several of the other entertainment outlets. So just
talking about how heavy it was, how hard it was,
so they were still pushing through everything.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
As we are sitting here with you, folks, it just
popped up on our screen that TMZ reporting that, yes,
in fact, her season has been canceled. As we are
sitting here, as we are talking, and now we're seeing
notes from our people out in La or iHeart, folks,
it's canceled. This is just happening, folks, in this moment.
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The video came out, Sweetheart, an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You cannot you can't and you hear it, you cannot
unsee it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It involves a child.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And yes, the only thing I thought, could they hold
on to this notion that they knew about it already,
and that She's changed her life. Maybe they could have
had there not been a second investigation.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
If there was not, that was my question.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
If there had never been a second alleged incident, if
there wasn't now another police investigation, could they have said
she has changed her way, she has gone to therapy,
she has redeemed herself. She you know, all throughout the
second you can't say any of those things now with
another police investigation alleging the exact same type of behavior.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This is sad. This is so sad. And you know
who I'm the first you know what I'm thinking about. Yeah,
we think about the child, we think robes. I'm sad
with Jesse Palmer. I'm sad for all the bookers who
work forever to find these guys. I'm sad for all
those people who work to make sure they did background
checks on all these guys. I'm sad for all those
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people who put all this effort into making this show
a hit and this has happened to them.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, because all of those people had nothing to do
with the decision.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
To choose Taylor Franky Paul as the bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
All of that work and you know how much work
forget even the money, but just how much of an
investment of your time? And I do believe Jesse Palmer
and the folks there at The Bachelorette believe in their show.
Yes it's a reality show, Yes it's entertainment, but they
have always been proud of the fact that they genuinely
and legitimately were trying to help people find love, find
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lasting relationships, and yes, find a beautiful marriage.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And this flew in the face of all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
From the beginning that this was the one, This was
the year right, this was supposed to be the comeback.
They bet big, babe, they lost big. This is coming
to us again. We have not TIMZ Celebrity News is
just as trusted as anybody else out there. They've made
their mistakes, but this is not some wild tabloid we're
talking about here. TMZ reporting the headline the Bachelorette Taylor
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Frankie Paul season canceled. They have a statement in here
robes from the Disney spokesperson that's sitting here, so they're
saying they actually have talked to somebody from Disney and
gave them a statement confirming that, in fact, this show
will not go forward on Sunday Robes. This is not
information we had when we hit record to record this podcast,
(13:50):
but we thought there was no way, and sure enough,
here it is.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yes, this is happening in real time.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A Disney Entertainment spokesperson said, in light of the newly
released video just surface today, we have made the decision
to not move forward with the new season of The
Bauch Threat at this time, and our focus is on
supporting the family. This is worst case scenario and there
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is going to be a lot of finger pointing and
fall out over this. This is a massive, massive development.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Finger pointing. You know, there is man's robes. Where do
you even start? Who chose her? Who missed this in
the background, who didn't know the video was out there?
How did the video get out? How did this other
incident take place? How do we know it know about that?
Who said we should put her on the red carpet
at the oscars? Who said we should have her do
the interview on Good Morning America and not ask her
(14:45):
a serious question? Robes, over and over and over. This
is what you talked about. She did that interview this morning.
You said, guys, this is how you do it. You
give her a tough question. You have a combative interview.
She's been out there and she's addressing and taking it
head on. So if something like this comes up, Robes,
this was your argument, you can look better as a network,
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as a company by putting her on your network and
holding our feet to the fire.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
She needed to explain this, And now that we see
this video where she's talking about her pain and her hurt,
it really, really, really is. I hate to use the
word disgusting, but that is how it feels. It feels gross,
it feels itchy, it feels manipulative. And you saw this
roll out, this pr campaign, and then you see this
(15:34):
video and again coupled with new allegations.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Of the same type of behavior. How is that allowed?
How is this ever?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Okay, I'm looking. I'm going back through our our text messages,
go to where is this? I said, Babe, it's bad.
TMZ has somehow gotten the video of the twenty twenty
three domestic Isolents video with Taylor Frankie. It's not quite ditty,
but it's bad. They cannot stand by this girl. This
(16:09):
is sad.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Then I said, Oi, I had a feeling that was
coming because we had heard there was already talk that
there were videos, right, so you said, go to their website.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's at the top. Sucks.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then I wrote to you, no way Sunday can
go on as planned. You wrote, it's really ugly.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
This is unsurvivable for AVC to put her on the air.
I robes, this is a devastating story. It's devastating for
that network. It's devastating for Disney, it's devastating for that show,
The Bachelor Nation. It is devastating. I don't know what
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lessons we learn here, babe, but it was one of
the early There are conversations I was wanting to have
that I didn't understand, and that is why we consider
domestic violence. Why this story wasn't serious enough, why it
didn't feel like and even after watching the video, I
stopped and thought, maybe some people will see this and go, well,
she's just a little girl and tiny girl, and she
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got upset and throwing some things. No big deal. This
isn't the same as a man putting his hands on
a woman.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
When you see her like literally attempting to choke him,
and you hear his voice struggling, when you see her
hurling heavy metal objects at him, as hard as she can,
screaming uncontrollably, you did this as she's doing it, and
then Babe to see her response through her spokespeople after
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the video was released to me, that was it was
even worse because there's zero acknowledgment of what we're all seeing.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So the plan we had, folks for this episode was
to actually let you know about the video, play the
audio of the video, and let you know what all
sides are saying. Right now. We do want to let
you hear the statement from Taylor Frankie Paul's camp, but
this was the statement they put out after the video,
(18:10):
but before we heard about the cancelation. Stay here. We'll
let you know about this and let you hear this.
How'd you just describe rate? It was confusing, this tone
deaf statement from her camp. Stay here continuing now here
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on Amy and TJ, The Bachelorette is canceled, according to TMZ,
citing a statement they have now gotten from Disney spokesperson
saying that the Taylor Frankie Paul season of Bachelorette season
twenty two that was supposed to start on Sunday with Rose,
when was she announced? How many months ago? Was it?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Oh? I find some time ago. I believe in the summer.
It was long time.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Oh my gosh, there has been a build up and
a build up and a build up of folks in
the you just heard it here. We are getting word
as we were recording about this Robes we were talking earlier.
When we started recording, we had only known that the
video was out and that her camp put out a
statement in response. Before we give any kind of interpretation
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or our feelings about it, just let the people hear.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I got a lot of feelings about it. I did
as soon as I heard it. But we'll let you
all have your feelings and then we can discuss. This
is what Taylor Frankie Paul spokes people said after the
video was released. It's sad to see the latest installment
of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to
harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child.
(19:45):
Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their
son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Distract from his own behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows
who he is is, and sadly many will recognize this
pattern of manipulation, both in his actions on the show
and from their own experiences.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Go ahead, have your reaction first.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Gas lighting one oh one. I know what I saw
in that video. It doesn't require context. I don't care
what the context is. It is never acceptable to choke someone,
to throw heavy metal object at someone, and certainly to
do any of that when your five year old child
is right there. And then when the video shows you
out of control, drunk and actually harming your child. The reaction,
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the statement should be, this is mortifying, this is horrific.
I have done so much work to evolve from this
person who I see in that video. I don't even
recognize that person. I'm sober. You take accountability. All they
did was say.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Dakota is to.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Blame what Okay, I didn't put it in as full
of context as you just put it. There was no
accountability in the station, deer roam. She's not responsible at
all for any of that behavior, according to the statement. Now, Rose,
we don't know who put this video out and we
don't know why, But what difference for ABC should it make?
(21:15):
You Remember the Ray Rice situation NFL running back. It
was with Baltimore at the time, there was a horrific
video of him hitting his fiance at the time. You remember,
it's in the elevator and then he's dragged knocked her
out and dragged her to Okay, you know what I'm talking.
So the NFL had done the punishment to him behind
the scenes and everything, he'd done his time, and then
(21:38):
the video came out and they came back and tried
to punish him more, and a court stepped in and said, nope,
you knew about this. Nothing is changed. You just see video.
You can't change it now, is there any way? There
was a conversation about that, should we feel any differently
about it just because we see it? If I hear
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domestic violence and a man versus takes on a woman
with domestic violence, he is an instant monster. He is instantly,
instantly a monster. Why is it? Then rogues, we've heard
about this domestic violence. Okay, let's push forward, and now
we see it and all of a sudden, okay, this
is ugly.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The truth is she's barely five feet tall and it's
a he said, she said, kind of a thing. And yes,
police wait and police did do the investigation. But you
can maybe create some allowances in your mind or how
bad was it really? Like how much did she actually
overreact and did.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
She just throw one chair or three? What was her demeanor?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You just what when you see and hear this video?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It is undeniable, It is unmistakable, and it's actually, for
me one hundred times worse than I imagined it was.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You know, that was a good phrase you use. You
said allowances in your own mind, and we were willing
to do that, and we have to admit that that
is something we don't subconsciously do. But now, Robes, this
is violent. This is not just ugly. This is not
a scandal, This is not a tabloid headline. This is violence.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't think she can go back to Mormon wives
at all, period. And the women have come out on
their different social media accounts saying they're the ones who
asked for the pause, that they didn't want to film
with her, that they were deeply concerned about the first incident,
but now with the second one being investigated, they were like,
we don't want to be a part of anything with her.
(23:32):
So the idea of her actually ever coming back in
any way seems slim to not at this point, And
who knows what's going to happen with this other police investigation.
There was taught that I think he got to a
point this is what he claims that it's happened enough times.
He started recording it because think about it. As a man,
what's his defense.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
She's going to say you hit me first, or you
hit me too, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So he started recording so he had a defense, so
he could defend him.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And he wasn't charged.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
She woh god, damn, oh my god. This is awful.
This is just awful. What are we gonna take out
of it? What are we gonna learn from it? I
don't know what the conversation should be. She in this video,
Robes looks troubled. She needs help, She needs help, and
she said she has admitted that she got it. Okay,
(24:24):
if she got it, should we will put that behind
and say, okay, we're gonna support you. You can do that, Robes.
It's just such a big ask when the type of
show she's trying to do, she's not just trying to
do a Mormon lives follow my Life. She is trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Say I'm datable, I'm a I'm marriage material. Take me
home to your Mom, that's what that show is. It
is it's it's not the right show.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So let's go with the last couple of things to
wrap up here, Robes, the guys, that's not fair to them.
Those guys. We actually know people personally who have gone
through the process of dealing with bachelor and bachelorette and
going through the process of being selected, and it is you.
They put you through the ringer. All these guys went
through that ringer. They took time off from friends, family, work,
(25:18):
to sacrifice to be here for something and Robes, some
of them might have been looking for some clout, but
there you have to think that there's some guys who
were genuinely interested in Frankie Taylor, in her and wanting
to find love.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, we do have a friend who went through the process,
got up towards the very end, and he would even
tell us about how intrusive you go through like multiple interviews,
they meet your friends in truth to your family, they
actually find out who you are. What you could think
about the liability you know on that show, you you're matchmaking,
you're introducing people to each other. You have to make
sure that people who you're introducing other people to are
(25:57):
legit nonviolent, safe, you know, as best as you can.
So with all of that said, it is a head
scratcher that it got as far as it did, all
for ratings, all for publicity, all for clicks, and this
is what has happened, and it's just sad all around.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The defense of Disney. This is gonna sound crazy, But
if you were okay with them putting her on knowing
about this incident, then why shouldn't you still be support
above them after the incident. We knew about it. Now
it's just we see it and like, ooh, now it's
too much for us. No, you knew your bachelorette had
(26:39):
a domestic violence guilty plea on her record, and we
were okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Then I think people were hoping that it wasn't as
bad as maybe it seemed or as they heard.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
When you see that, when you hear it, there is
no gray area.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well, so then what happens next now ropes, Well, I think,
like I said, I think there's gonna be a lot
of finger pointing. There's gonna be a lot of cya
going on, and it's gonna be interesting to find out
if anyone who was involved in that show and making
the decision, knew about the video, saw the video, and
if TMZ could get the video, then I'm gonna go
(27:15):
ahead and tide Disney should have been able to get
that bit.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh. I don't know. TMZ has its ways. I don't know,
but if we knew about it, I could have described
as incident to any Disney official that asked. I said, yeah,
so what she did was she put them in chokehold.
And the record says that she threw these metal barstools
and her child got hit by one. That's what the video,
any video would show. They knew that, and they knew
(27:43):
about it, and they said, you know what.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
That's cool, Let's make her America sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The only thing Roles that can save them possibly is
to throw her again under the biggest greyhound they can
find and say she lie to us and misrepresented what
that incident was and we would have never gone through
with this had we known about that, that it was
(28:10):
that bad, but she assured us that it wasn't. What
other option do they have than to throw her under
a bus.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't know, but I don't think that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Really, You come on, who gets more heat Disney or her.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think Disney ultimately is going to need the heat
for this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
You think the audience is going to support her, her fans,
her tailor army or whatever. You think they'll just.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
No, She's obviously going to be completely destroyed by this,
But I think Disney is going to take a huge
hit for this. Really, people question their choice from the beginning.
It was controversial from the very beginning, and now it
ends like this worst case scenario controversial.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It looked fine to me on Sunday when I watched
the Oscars. She was the big star there as far
as talent for ABC reporting from the red carpet. What
are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It was controversial in many many circles that they picture.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I know what you all believe. I know what you're saying.
But we had gotten to a point where it seemed
to be celebrated. Even thought it was a good move,
it was emotional.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh absolutely, Oh this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is awful, folks, to tell you. I mean people, redemption
can happen.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Babe, I mean people can I believe that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Awful, awful decision. Look, there are people out there who've
had DUIs and they had manslaughter charges. There people who
served time for killing folks. There are people who have
done all kinds of horrific things, and Babe, you can
turn your life around.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Agreed that that can happen, But you probably shouldn't go
on a dating show where you're lauded as an American sweetheart,
someone to bring home to Mama, when you have been
or at least you've pleaded guilty to domestic violence charge
and are now in the middle of another domestic violence investigation,
(30:04):
criminal investigation with that same ex boyfriend who you had
zero issue telling the world you slept with the night
before you went on to go start filming The Bachelor.
That just shows you how seriously she was actually taking
this as an opportunity to find love. That to me
is almost spitting in the face of the show.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I guess and us who actually look at Tristan and
Ryan and turn that show on, so we are Tristan
and Ryan are why I still give the show any
ounce of legitimacy. I was like, oh, wow, this can work,
it can and it has. We've known hell Rachel Lindsay
got married, she ended up getting divorced. These are friends
(30:47):
of ours. Matt James had a long relationship ends up
not being together.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But it was a legitimate relationship where they were thinking
about marriage.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Absolutely, we've been a part, We've seen it work. This
says to us to the audience that it's something else.
Now it's a spectacle, a spectacle, and this is what
this was. Folks. We appreciate you listening. We just wanted
to hop on. This wasn't the episode we expected now
and quite frankly, this ropes. This is the first time
(31:16):
the news has broken while we are in the middle
of red.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
This is a first and takes us back. Yeah right,
it was almost like breaking news takes us back.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well, folks, we appreciate you. Anything else hopped out on
this one. I do want to ropes. We mentioned did
you see this up on yours as well? TMZ. Also
this note here that they're saying Dakota has actually filed
for some kind of restraining order and wants sole custody
of their child. Here it is ropes.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So this is getting messier and messier and messier.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, this is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is what
tends to happen. And yes, now Dakota, it appears, is
looking for soul custody and after that video.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He probably has a pretty decent case.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So our look, our thanks on our credit right now
to TMZ that has gotten hands on the video and
has pushed this story forward. Is the last thing to you? Babe?
Was this important? Did we need to see this video
before the show?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
If it would have come out in the middle of
the show, that would have been horrible. But did we
need to see this? Did we need did this video
need to come out? If this would have just gone away,
was buried and never existed with things have just gone
on as planned?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Probably And I was thinking about this moment when Harvey
Levin knew he had this video, he had to.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Know when he put it up.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He had to know that he was changing a lot
of lives and that this show was almost certainly going
to get canceled. He knows this business. He knew what
he was going to happen when he made this public.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He probably called Disney before he posted and say, hey,
heads up up, I got this. Do you have a
coming yet? Folks? T J. Holmes here on behalf of
my dear Amy Robach. We will be talking to you soon.
Anything hops out on this story, we certainly will will
update you but we appreciate you as always so spending
some time here with us
Hosts And Creators
Amy Robach
T.J. Holmes
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