April 24, 2026 • 41 mins
On the latest episode of In Service Of, we continue the Friday tradition of introducing you to the best new artists. This week host Steve Baltin sits down with L.A. based Texas native Rora Wilde. A student of Beyonce and Dylan the intriguing Wilde blends country storytelling and powerful R&B vocals into her dynamic debut album, Vixen.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, Steve Balton, welcome to in Service up the Friday edition,
and as we like to do periodically, I would love
to introduce you to an amazing new artist. Music discovery
is one of my favorite things, and getting to showcase
talented new artist is something we very much enjoy here.
So this week I have the great pleasure of introducing
(00:24):
you to Wora Wild, a Texas born, California based singer, songwriter,
R and B singer who grew up on Dylan and Beyonce.
She puts it all together for this crazy storytelling on
her superb debut album Vixen. Very talented, very cool, very interesting,
(00:48):
and completely moved for a while to someone who has
to be under your radar. So hope you enjoyed this
interview as much as I thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, now we're officially on record, so now everything you
say is being monitored and now we'll live in posterity forever.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So now you have to be extra careful.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I'm very careful. I'm a careful person, I think, are you.
I'd like to think so.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I'd like to think I was a careful person, but
I still make very strange mistakes.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, what makes you I mean, do you feel like
you're a careful person at songwriting, because I mean it's funny.
I think being a careful person at songwriting can be problematic.
I think the more authentic and opening you are, I
think the better it is.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I Actually, I would say, especially in my last releases,
like I definitely took a lot more risks lyrically and
writing because I just kind of sometimes when I'm trying
to like convey a thought, I'm like, I don't want
to get lost and like how this lyric should sound
or for it to like be so wordy or whatever.
(02:17):
Like sometimes I just have to put down my pen
and be like what am I trying to say? And
then just like say it out loud and be like,
actually that that that that makes perfect sense because sometimes
we you know, I think in writing and writers feel like,
oh no, it has to.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Sound like this way in this way.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It's like it's really just about like communicating, and I
tend to like speak in riddles sometimes anyway, or like
you know, just kind of like have my own take
on like sayings and kind of like flip.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Them and.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, so just sometimes things just kind of spill out
of me in different ways.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So it's funny on this view album Vixen, were their
moments that kind of like you know where you I
think as what I found i'm talking with writers is
that the older you get, the more you appreciate simplicity.
So were than those moments where you hit upon something
and it's just like, yes, I want to say it
that way. And the example I always use is John
(03:18):
Lennon in My Life because that's one of my favorite
songs of all time, and it's a song that anybody
it feels so simple that anybody thinks they could have
written it, and then you realize, yeah, you think you
could have written it, but only fucking John Lennon wrote it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Absolutely. Oh that's such a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So were of those moments for you that you kind
of hit that simplicity that you were really impressed with
on Vixen.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
That's so funny you say that because I think literally
one very particular moment comes to mind, and it was.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
My song Sober, Dead, Drunk or Alive.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I was trying to encapsulate, like I think, a relationship
that I think everybody has been in at least once
or twice their lives where it's like they're with somebody
who's very indecisive and very like unsure about whether or
not you're like like really vibing with that person or
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if you want to be with that person. And it
was like this very like aha moment for me because
like I was like, this person is always making excuses, like, oh,
I have like all these things going on personally I
have I like I haven't. I have all these problems
with my family and with my job and with all
these things going on. And I remember years ago, I
(04:34):
just I came home drunk as hell, and I grabbed
my notebook and my guitar and I was just like
laying there just like thinking about like what.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What is this? Like what does any of this mean?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Like what's the point of even having this relationship with
this person? Because like he's making all these different excuses.
And then it just kind of poured out of me
that I was like, it doesn't matter what the conditions are.
He could be you know, like there's the phrase like
dead or alive. You know, it's like he could be sober,
he could be drunk.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He could be sober, dead, drunk or alive, and he
doesn't know what he wants.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
He could be on his it could be his last breath,
and he still would be like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And I also flipped like, you know, gun to your head,
like make a decision, like do you want to be
with this girl or not? He would still not know
what to do because.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He doesn't know himself or know the things that he wants,
and he would still gun into his head.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He'd be dead. And that's another lyric in that hook.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I felt like it was just such a simple
kind of conclusion I came to that was really helpful
for me, like mentally processing and realizing that like I
am a very like I'm very intentional with my life
and in my choices, so I didn't want to be
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around people who don't. And that was as simple as
it was for me in that moment to be like, Okay,
you don't know what you want you want and I do,
so I'm okay on this, I'll be all right. And
that's what that song's about.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I kind of drunk, what's that? And yeah, you came
to that realization drug, Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yes I did, I really did.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I must have the recording somewhere of just like
like I was just like playing these like weird, like
funky like half jazz chords that I was just like
singing on top of like a loop, and I just
kind of was like man sober did drunk er alive,
Like it doesn't matter, like if you had your life together,
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if everything was perfect and exactly the way you wanted it,
like you still like haven't done the inner work and
have like made the choices that for yourself. And that's
not somebody I want to be around in my life.
I don't care if you want me or not. You
don't have your priorities in order. So I'm gucci, as
(07:06):
they say, the kids say.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No, it's funny the reason I ask about, you know,
coming to the realization drunk. I remember interviewing Adell when
twenty one came out, and like we're doing an AOL
session and she told me that, you know, like so
much of the album she would journal while drinking Jack Daniels.
So I feel like you've hit upon a lot of truths.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Why and you know what were what was the what's
the drink of choice that you know gives you your
best opipes?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Thank you for asking I for writing If I'm like
I typically when I write, I'd like to not be inebriated,
if you will. I like to kind of write. I
like writing in the middle of the day or in
the middle of the night. Really it's about time for me.
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But I also just sometimes have a thought and write
it down. So I'm kind of I always say that
like I'm always writing, like like at any given moment,
like I'm writing like ideas down so whatever, I'm like
sitting down with the guitar, I'm pulling out.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
All the ideas I had.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
But if I was in the studio and I got
to choose what drink I would have to write, I
would absolutely pick scotch.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't know what it is. I love McAllen.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It also is the name of my hometown spelled differently,
so that's a kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But I whiskey for sure. I'm a tequila drinker.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But when it comes to writing something about whiskey, bourbon, scotch,
like that whole that whole profile is just like it
puts me really in like a very calm and like
kind of I sit in myself in that moment, like
(08:56):
I'm very myself. When I'm on tequila, I am like
will like I am, I'm high energy and I'm like,
I might say things I don't mean, but with whiskey,
I'm going to say things.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That I've never said in a way that I never
will again. So if I had to.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Choose it with the best song you've been that it's
funny because I personally found that, like, I never liked.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Writing when I was like on drugs. I would like
write a lot in college on drugs, and then go
back and look at it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I would be like the stupidest shit anybody's ever written.
But it was funny because I remember talking with Ozzie,
who I knew forever, and he told me when he
wrote Black Rain, it was the first album he ever
wrote sober, and he was really scared to like if
he could write an album sober. But I do think
most people do their best writing sober. However, you know, again,
(09:49):
there's no rules with writing, there's no process, with the
idea that it's channeling, and you know, maybe sometimes the
best shit will come out when you're drunk, maybe when
you're sober, maybe when you know you're on acid, maybe
when you're in a ride volcano. It doesn't really matter,
you know, for you, what is the best stuff you've
written on whiskey, the stuff you've brought of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
My favorite that I've written definitely and what I can
I remember drunk definitely was was sober Dead Drunker alive
but sober. My favorite song that I've written off that
particular record is definitely sex, Drugs and rock and Roll,
which is really funny from the title because I don't know,
(10:36):
I feel like I've always had like a funny way
of saying things, and I think that with uh, It's
something that I've always like said, like if I'm getting
to know someone and like dating or even as a
friend or whatever, like I feel like I don't know
that person until I know what their rock.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And roll is.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And that's what I've always said, like, oh yeah, I
kind of know I'm a little bit, but I don't
know what his rock and roll is. And like for me,
my rock and roll is rock and roll, like doing music,
like that's my passion, Like that's my that's my whole
like purpose, Like that's what I've been chasing my whole life.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like I like to know what everybody's rock and roll,
Like what's your rock and roll? Like is it is it?
Is it? Writing? Is it?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Skiing? Is it, Uh, race car driving? Is it like
you know, is it traveling?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Like what's your what's the thing that makes your that
lights your soul on fire?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So I always like.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
To know that about people, even if like they do
different things for work, which I I don't even want to.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Know what you do for work. I want to know
what your.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Rock and roll is, Like, what's that thing that you
like you're working to get and working to do. What's
that thing that like you're like, I'm doing all of
this bullshit so that I can do this, you know,
Like that's that's the thing that tells me a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
About a person.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And uh, I realized that, like I don't know, that
could be a song. And I kind of just wrote
down in my notes one day, like sex, drugs and
rock and roll because it's that phrase with like something
that and I think it was the sixties, like that
was like they were teaching all the kids, like, hey,
like stay away from sex, drugs and rock and roll
(12:07):
because right now everything in music and you know, concerts,
everybody's doing all of that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Like that's the thing you stayed away from those days.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And I think that in my song sex Drugs and
rock and Roll it's about how I want to know.
Those are all the things I want to know about
a person. I want to know what they're into, I
want to know their darkness, drugs, and I want to
know what they're passionate about. So like that's the kind
of like how like my take on sex, drugs and
(12:35):
rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So that was my favorite thing that I've written. Sober
for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But yeah, well, okay, so now we know what your
rock and roll is. But it's funny because I was
going to ask you about that song because there is
such a mythology around that saying. And of course, you know,
now this time has gone by, you know again, it
was very glamorized in the seventies, you know, when it
was such a time of hedonism, debauchery and rock and
(13:01):
now of course sex, drugs and rock and roll, when
so many fucking people have died from drugs and rock
and roll is you know, like a it's a bad thing,
there's no question, you know, because so many great people
have died. But you know, there's still is mythology around
that saying, and I was going to ask you what
that meant to you. So now we know what your
(13:23):
rock and role is, But what's your sex and your drugs?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, for me, that's such a good question.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I would say, like what I'm into is, like I'm
really into like being having like a closeness with someone,
Like that's the thing that makes uh like me feel
like more attracted to someone. Definitely, Like that's what I'm into,
is like having chemistry. I know that sounds like in
and of itself obviously, but I'm really into, uh getting
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to know somebody on a very very close level because otherwise,
like I can't, I can't really like I won't, it
won't excite me at all if if you will. I
also am really into, like I'm really into a man's voice.
I'm a voice person if if that's like so specific,
(14:17):
But that's that's definitely one of the things for me.
But and drugs, my darkness definitely would be Hmmm, that's
a that's a good question too. I think for me,
drugs my darkness would definitely be. It's just so there's
so many different shades, probably like aspects of my past
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and like the kind of relationships I got into where
I kind of lost myself and made decisions that I'm
not proud of, and things I like to forget, I think,
and things I try to forgive myself for, and those
are kind of things that like would only be kind
of shared with somebody that I'm getting close to and
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getting to know, and they come out.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Much later, much later in like that kind of interaction.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
But that's also something that I would want to know
about somebody I'm like, you know, getting to know in
a romantic way. And I think that song was also
just kind of me manifesting the kind of relationship slash
like closeness I'm trying to feel in my life, because
at the beginning of the album, I'm like really lost
about how I feel about like myself and how I
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feel in relationships, how i'm how I feel when I
go out, how I feel in general, like my relationship
to myself. So by the end of the album, with
that song being the last, is like, no, you know what,
I want to own all the ugly parts, and I
want to know your ugly parts too and see how
that works, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So it's interesting. I won't ask you, you know, to
get to you personal and things you won't forgive yourself
for it, but I I'm curious, like, you know, that's
interesting to me that phrase because I feel like, as
a writer, music is a way to forgive yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And do you feel like in your songs and in particular,
are there any songs off Fixin where you find yourself
again with the idea of writing being subconscious, where you
found yourself forgiving you for things that you didn't even
realize you were forgiving yourself for until you heard the song.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Totally, absolutely my song Control.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That song was definitely a pivotal moment in the album,
that track Ctrl. It's definitely a song where I started
to realize that I was more focused in a certain
relationship on the like I thought it was love and
(16:57):
affection and understanding, but when I really got down to it,
I was like, I was just really obsessed with control
because there was so much about this person that I
actually didn't respect.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I was so critical of and I was very like,
you know, I.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Was always finding like things wrong with this person and
wanting to pick it all apart, and and me like
realizing that this person that I was with is somebody
that I didn't have any respect for. But I was
pushing the relationship to work because I had this obsession
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that I didn't realize at the time with control, and
that was something very dark that I discovered about myself
because I was like, it was more about like a
no like this person because I don't whatever like they
have to like me. And it was such an evil
part of myself that I bumped into while writing. And
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because this person ended up, like we were talking about, well,
this person ended up cheating on me, and I was like,
how dare they cheat on me? And I was like, dude,
you were so checked out of that relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You were so critical.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And I'm not saying that it's somebody that I you know,
something I deserved happened to me to me quote unquote,
but it was just kind.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Of like a.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Like how much could it have really hurt your feelings
when you were so like you didn't you said you
The first line of the song is when I said
I loved you, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Mean it because I didn't. I just was obsessed with
having control.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And that was a part of myself that I still
try to reconcile with and forgive and move on and
grow from it. But yeah, I know it's definitely Vixen
is my a in a very pop R and B
four kind of way. Therapy session a little bit, but
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you can still bop and vibe of course.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, you know, I think you know, I'm trying
to think now that's funny.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean because I think of albums like we were
talking about before, Tangle at Blood of the Tracks, or
like Joni Blue.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You know, but what are those albums for you that
are good therapy sessions that you can also bop to?
Because there are many of them. Of course, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My gosh, albums I like that are like.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No albums that like again, when you listen to them,
they feel like therapy sessions, but you know, you can
also just dance your ass off to them.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I definitely feel that way about Kailawnie's It Was Good
Until It Wasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That's like a song that's like an.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Album I can like throw on in the car and
like totally vibe to and like really just like lose
myself in it and like have fun.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But also if you listen to the lyrics, I'm just like,
oh wow.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like I also, she has a song about hating the
club and like going to the club because she knows
that someone that she's trying to run into is going
to be there, and that's such a real experience. I think,
you know, it doesn't always have to be the club,
but like you know, like going somewhere because you know
someone will show up and uh, And like the song
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is like very much like a very like vibe, like
kind of like you can really ride.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
To it kind of album and that particular record.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But it definitely makes me think about like the choices
we make to prove things to ourselves that we could
just kind of reconcile on our own and not have
to involve others and damage everybody along the way.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
All right, So that's it.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
What's the worst place you went to to bump into someone?
And it's funny for me on the opposite, because if
I don't want to see someone, I'm just like, dude,
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But what's the worst place you went?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh my god? You know, well, I'm like you in
the sense that, like, I'm not trying to run into anybody.
In fact, I I was with a friend that actually
was trying to run into somebody, and the person and
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she was trying to run into is homies with somebody
that I wasn't trying to run into. But I'm sure
that that person thought I was trying to run into them,
but I was really going with her because I was
trying to be a good friend.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
But also there's.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Probably a little part of me that wanted to run
into him, but he was there with someone else, So
that was really painful for me.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And I literally saw them and my purfree like they
were passing by, and I remember him like looking at me.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And then I just like left the club. And it
was also like it's like stupid, like.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Underground, like after hours kind of bullshit, you know, in
the middle of the night, and I was like, oh,
I'm getting the fuck out of hereby Like I don't
want to be somebody who's just like conveniently somewhere to
run into somebody like oh, and what would they say
if they saw me?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Like I really don't like that. I don't want to
be seen by people.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't want to see I'm really I know, I'm
a singer and I and I put out songs that
so that that I want everybody to hear and see
and all these things, but in my personal life, I
actually don't like that kind of attention.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I really don't. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I like to I like to fly beneath the radar
in my personal life, if that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Makes sense, yeah, said, But how do you do that
while also trying to be a single? Like it's funny
because I mean, you know, I obviously follow each other
on Instagram, you have fan club. I mean that's a
weird fucking thing.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I know, no, and and that in that respect, I
think it's really cool.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Like I'm oh, my gosh, like I used to, like,
you know, pray for that, like and I'm continuing to, like,
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's that it's just it's like it's you know, when
you when you have someone who watches everything you do.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That's just a weird thing it is.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And I think in that respect I'm fine with because
I stand by the things that I do.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But I guess I'm like a like if I'm.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like hanging out with friends and like you know, there's
some sort of like you know, conflict or whatever, Like
I'm not going to try to like make things about
me and like be the center of attention.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
On purpose kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that's more so what I mean, if if
people are following me around, I want to know what
I'm up to by by all means come in, let's
let's have a chat, have.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
A seat, here's a beer, like we can you can
spy on me here and here I am. If that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
That sounds like a terrible idea. Actually I should be
more careful.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I was inside that. Yeah, you probably don't want
to invite people to spy on yea. You know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Sometimes I'm an open book.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sometimes I'm like like, like, I not an open book,
but like some of the pages are like, you know,
folded over that you can you can open them. I'm
an analogy person, so I can be quite obnoxious.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
In that respect.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
H R.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So what what are the plans for this out coming up?
Like you mentioned there's a deluxe edition.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yes, I'm so excited about the deluxe.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Actually I have some really really cool tracks coming out
for the deluxe. It's very much like like the Revenge
side of Vixen, like kind of like it's a very
like like a dark kind of.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Chapter that like is kind of like a post chapter
to the album. It's like me sitting in myself but
also kind of like owning a little in some.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Songs, a little bit too much of my darkness and
kind of like telling those chapters, or like telling those
stories and those chapters of my life through these very
like maybe sometimes a little bit of like a toxic story,
but also kind of examining that in the verses and
then owning it in the chorus.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I'm excited for Vixen Deluxe.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'm still wondering if I should say the name of it,
but it'll be coming out in the fall, so I'm
really excited.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's going to be August twenty third.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I believe, Wait, isn't that summer?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You're right, Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
In my head, people picture calendars, right, I feel like
it's on that side of calendar.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You're right, it is summer. It's gonna be a late
summer release.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
All the songs are pretty much done, but I kind
of want to add one more. And it's very that's
definitely a very risk song, and I'm not sure if
I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It almost made my it almost.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Made Fixen like proper, but I wanted more time with it.
It's it's a very I don't know, it's kind of
a scandy mandy song, so I was a little shy
about it, but I think that's what Vixen's about I
need to just own it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I'm good to say risk in what way? Okay, we'll
give like give me an example of the song teeth
that's very risque, and then compare it to a risque.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Song, like another riskue song.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not for me you, but like just a famous riskue song,
like a song that you really love that you would
think of it as riske.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Oh right, Well, it's kind of one of those kind
of like I don't know if the phrase is tongue
in cheek, but it's one of those songs where it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's a double on tondre that I.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Which I love playing around with in writing, and uh
like or like a lot of people do like acronyms
that are like you know, they embed different like phrases
into things that like, so it plays on the radio
kind of even like.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Huh is it right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You're like, yeah, I know it a double on tondres or.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Or thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, well there's different ones whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
But anyway, so that's kind of like the vibe for
the songs because it's like has like double meaning and
but I think.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
The question about skates on like what's your favorite skates on?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
My favorite? There's so many. This is such a good question.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I think Sabrina does a really good job of it,
and I'm very I'm always very inspired by her work.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Lately.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I think her song, uh, what was it tears, it's
kind of in the vein of like, you know, because
she talks about tears running down her thighs. She's so
impossibly clever and her and everybody she works with, I mean, mister.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Branton Off is the shit.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So yeah, it's like it's it's funny because like this
song that I'm talking about, I probably wrote like quite
some time ago. It's one of the songs that, like
some songs I write in an afternoon and some I
like spend a lot of time with because I'm like, no,
this is like special and cool and like, I don't know,
I see visions of like funny, we were talking about
casinos earlier. I have, like I have all these visions
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of like a casino with it, So I think I
might do something like casino wise.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
With the visuals.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know, something like that, because it's about like
luck and rolling the dice and.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Taking a risk and saying something crazy to somebody and
like not sure if they're gonna like be into it and.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Or if they're gonna be like, oh my god, no thanks.
So that's kind of like the fun part of the song.
But so yeah, probably that one.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But I also love that like Gaga, I think in
poker Face, she was saying like fuck her face in
the song, but nobody could tell because it sounded like
poker Face.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So she was saying all these terrible, terrible things on
the radio that nobody saw. But anyway, one of the
best songs ever.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Obviously, I don't have to let's do it again because
I have to notice that. All right, we'll wrap up
a few minutes, but I mean, you know, just wrapping
up on some fun notes. So did you mention risque?
You know, like what to you is like, what's the
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best craziest LA party you've been too? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh. Probably when I first moved here in twenty twenty,
it was probably like late late twenty twenty, so things
were opening up it, things were still close, and I
was just.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like trying to go to like any studio session. I
was trying to meet people in the industry. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I think a roommate was like of mine was like
I don't know, buying weed from some dude that like
came to the house.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And she was like I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
She liked me at all or anything, but she was
like telling I overheard her like on the balcony being like.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, yeah, she does music.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You should talk to her. And it was mind you,
like eleven pm. And I was like, oh, and I
guess she's been hearing me play my guitar or something.
And he was just like, oh, you want to come
to the studio? And I was like the where and
he was like downtown and I was like sure, maybe
why and like he did like music too, and like
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he was like a rapper and he was like.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You should come.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I get avited to a lot of hip hop sessions.
Weirdly enough, I'm like, I'm not a rapper, but like
I'll I'll sing a hook for you.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But it was so funny because I ended up going
and it wasn't until like it was at like two
or three in the morning, and I was like and
downtown Los Angeles and like I rolled up in like
my Toyota Yars at the time, and I was like, oh, dear,
I'm scared. And it was this like huge, huge studio
and like everybody's doing all these drugs, and there was
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like one girl behind the mic and she was like
trying to like cut a song, and it was like
she was getting kind of like overwhelmed by all the hullabaloo,
if you will, and I think she ended up taking
off because she just didn't want to fucking deal with it.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And then the producer threw on another track.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And I've been in sessions, so I'm just kind of
like in the corner just listening to whatever they're playing
and just writing shit, writing verses, thinking of melodies, and
then like somebody was like, oh, this is the girl
we were talking about, like throw her on the mic,
and I was like, oh cool, yeah, I actually have
a few things.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Let's fucking go.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So I would say this is probably like the craziest
party I've been too, because like most of the people
there were there to party, and there was like four
people there trying to record, and so I ended up
like kind of in a way.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Performing for all these people and drugs.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I actually ended up making some really interesting friends that
I still am friends with today there and some I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Which is interesting, so that's probably crazy. I don't know,
it's probably crazier parties.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So what's like the most unexpected hip hop said she
got invited? Jill?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Oh my gosh. Actually there was one recently. I'm not
even sure if I could talk about it, but she
was lovely. She was she's a female. I'm just like,
I'm not sure if I can, but she she's a.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
She's in a amazing female artist rapper, and I'm actually
like a super super big fan of her, like all
my own.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And I got invited to the session during Grammy Week
and I.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Was like, you know, it was through a songwriter that
I know, and he was like, oh yeah, you should come,
and I was like, oh my goodness, like and I
didn't want to like fan girl too much so it'd
be like, oh, chill, chill, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
But when I went, it was like, you know, definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Like super super cool, and she was like so down
to earth and it was so awesome to like see
her work and I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I wasn't there. I wasn't invited by the way to write.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I was there to like, you know, hang out, which
is like definitely the kind of vibe sometimes, so it
was really cool to watch her work and write and
like freestyles super super dope, but you know it was,
it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
That was actually super recently.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Nice. All right, So what do you want people to
take from Vixen when they hear it? Wait before, I
before I Yeah, what are the touring plans?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yes, we are looking at dates in Europe and as
well as we're looking into a Germany tour. That's like
my second biggest market right now, so that's like super
super exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I've never toured before, and I actually don't travel very much.
But luckily Christianna, my manager, and a lot of my
friends are very.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Skilled and traveling, so I feel like I'll have good company.
But my my guitarist slash drummer Dylan is also down
to just take on Germany.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And like play these different like hotel rooftops. I'm really
really stoked on it. So look out, Germany. I'm gonna
party with you. It's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Does Germany party?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm about to find out?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I know I I do.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
But also when I'm like, if I'm going to be
like singing every single night, I will be very I'm
so annoying when it comes to like performing and like
not drinking the night before or during, because I don't
think I sound very good when I'm drunk.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I think I sound very bad. I have no dexterity.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I mean, I don't know. I've not been to Germany.
I always just think of Robin Williams, who's my favorite comedian.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Talking about you know, like he was doing a German
talk show and they asked him why are there no
funny people in Germany?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
He's like, did you ever think you killed them all?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
That's terrible? Rest in peace, Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Man, Well, I don't think of German. I'm sorry, I
have a party play.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I do not think of Germany as a party place.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I mean, I've seen some pictures of some of the
venue we're gonna rock out it, and it looks like
they're partying pretty good man.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'll have to report back.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean, then again, we read did go in there?
David Bewie partied there a lot, So maybe just that
who knows. Okay, that's a good question. Then we'll wrap
up on that. What you want people to take from
Vixen but if you go party with any rockstar, who
would it be? Oh my goodness, and I mean party,
not you know, like hang out, but like you know
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at a hotel window like the Who, or throw a
motorcycle into the pool, or you know, definitely dead or alive.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Sure, Yeah, well, definitely TV out the window.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I definitely would want to party with the Doors because
I have a lot of lyrics inspired by Doors song
and the Doors, like discography.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
In sex, drugs and rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
So I think that, you know, just for the vibes,
I definitely would do want to hang out with the Doors.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
And and you already know my other answer, and you're
gonna be so mad at me.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But I would definitely pick Dylan, uh, mister Bob Dylan
for sure, just because I think, even though I'm sure
he doesn't, maybe he does party.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I'm about to find out maybe he does. I definitely
would party with him.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I would also love to party with Stevie Nicks, even
though I know she doesn't party anymore, but maybe like
Stevie Nicks back in the day, let's see, I would
definitely want to.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Party with them, for sure.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I would I feel insensitive saying party in this context,
but I definitely would love to, uh have had like
a drink with Amy Winehouse or something. She's definitely one
of my biggest inspirations and she's like the coolest fucking rock.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Star ever forever. But yeah, cool. What do you want
people to take vixim when they hair?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think that I would want people to take away
like that, like.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Listening to it and kind of like getting introspective about
their own you know, choices and the way they move
through the world. Like I want like women to throw
on this record when they're getting ready to go out
and like, you know, as you're doing your hair and
your makeup and picking an outfit and kind of like
putting together yourself for the night, like you know, thinking, you.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Know, while we're getting ready as like women, it's such
a like ritual, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's like, oh, like I don't like how I you know,
look in these but maybe if I put it with
this jacket, you know, Like I feel like sometimes we
do that emotionally like and I feel like that's like
what Vixen is really all about, because I know that
it's where it came from when I wrote it is
just like owning these dark parts of yourself and making
them sparkly and have mescare in a lip loss and
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just kind of owning it because I think there's nothing
like sexier or about There's nothing more sexy than just
like owning who you are. And so I think that's
what I'd want people to take away from the album,
is just like to own who you are and have
a fun time.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I guess, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Do you want to add that we did not talk about.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Other than album coming out late summer, the Deluxe for Vixen,
definitely touring Germany and I'm hopefully hopefully going to play
a show in the summer here in Los Angeles. I'm
just trying to find the right place to kind of
have a Vixen party. No big deal, So you have
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to come to.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Well, what is like the ultimate Vixen outfit? By the way,
because you know we were talking about leather before we're dealing,
I feel like, you know it would be like, but
again for you, what is like the ultimate Vixen outfit?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
A leopard skin pillbox hat? I'm joking. I think I
think I always kind of.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Think of this one like I don't know, like it
just depends on my mood, because that's kind of what
Vixen's about, just like kind of like leaning into like
whatever you're feeling at the moment. So I think I'm
very much like I love wearing all black, even though
I really shouldn't, but I also love wearing like a
dark red, So probably that and like my bitchy black
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leather boots, my really bitchy ones.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
That's very Vixen for me. Cool, it's some, and definitely
a stiff glass of my calen.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You feel me, all right,
Hey, Steve Balton, welcome to in Service up the Friday edition,
and as we like to do periodically, I would love
to introduce you to an amazing new artist. Music discovery
is one of my favorite things, and getting to showcase
talented new artist is something we very much enjoy here.
So this week I have the great pleasure of introducing
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you to Wora Wild, a Texas born, California based singer, songwriter,
R and B singer who grew up on Dylan and Beyonce.
She puts it all together for this crazy storytelling on
her superb debut album Vixen. Very talented, very cool, very interesting,
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and completely moved for a while to someone who has
to be under your radar. So hope you enjoyed this
interview as much as I thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, now we're officially on record, so now everything you
say is being monitored and now we'll live in posterity forever.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So now you have to be extra careful.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I'm very careful. I'm a careful person, I think, are you.
I'd like to think so.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I'd like to think I was a careful person, but
I still make very strange mistakes.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, what makes you I mean, do you feel like
you're a careful person at songwriting, because I mean it's funny.
I think being a careful person at songwriting can be problematic.
I think the more authentic and opening you are, I
think the better it is.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I Actually, I would say, especially in my last releases,
like I definitely took a lot more risks lyrically and
writing because I just kind of sometimes when I'm trying
to like convey a thought, I'm like, I don't want
to get lost and like how this lyric should sound
or for it to like be so wordy or whatever.
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Like sometimes I just have to put down my pen
and be like what am I trying to say? And
then just like say it out loud and be like,
actually that that that that makes perfect sense because sometimes
we you know, I think in writing and writers feel like,
oh no, it has to.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Sound like this way in this way.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It's like it's really just about like communicating, and I
tend to like speak in riddles sometimes anyway, or like
you know, just kind of like have my own take
on like sayings and kind of like flip.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Them and.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, so just sometimes things just kind of spill out
of me in different ways.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So it's funny on this view album Vixen, were their
moments that kind of like you know where you I
think as what I found i'm talking with writers is
that the older you get, the more you appreciate simplicity.
So were than those moments where you hit upon something
and it's just like, yes, I want to say it
that way. And the example I always use is John
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Lennon in My Life because that's one of my favorite
songs of all time, and it's a song that anybody
it feels so simple that anybody thinks they could have
written it, and then you realize, yeah, you think you
could have written it, but only fucking John Lennon wrote it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Absolutely. Oh that's such a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So were of those moments for you that you kind
of hit that simplicity that you were really impressed with
on Vixen.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
That's so funny you say that because I think literally
one very particular moment comes to mind, and it was.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
My song Sober, Dead, Drunk or Alive.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I was trying to encapsulate, like I think, a relationship
that I think everybody has been in at least once
or twice their lives where it's like they're with somebody
who's very indecisive and very like unsure about whether or
not you're like like really vibing with that person or
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if you want to be with that person. And it
was like this very like aha moment for me because
like I was like, this person is always making excuses, like, oh,
I have like all these things going on personally I
have I like I haven't. I have all these problems
with my family and with my job and with all
these things going on. And I remember years ago, I
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just I came home drunk as hell, and I grabbed
my notebook and my guitar and I was just like
laying there just like thinking about like what.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What is this? Like what does any of this mean?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Like what's the point of even having this relationship with
this person? Because like he's making all these different excuses.
And then it just kind of poured out of me
that I was like, it doesn't matter what the conditions are.
He could be you know, like there's the phrase like
dead or alive. You know, it's like he could be sober,
he could be drunk.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
He could be sober, dead, drunk or alive, and he
doesn't know what he wants.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
He could be on his it could be his last breath,
and he still would be like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And I also flipped like, you know, gun to your head,
like make a decision, like do you want to be
with this girl or not? He would still not know
what to do because.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He doesn't know himself or know the things that he wants,
and he would still gun into his head.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He'd be dead. And that's another lyric in that hook.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I felt like it was just such a simple
kind of conclusion I came to that was really helpful
for me, like mentally processing and realizing that like I
am a very like I'm very intentional with my life
and in my choices, so I didn't want to be
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around people who don't. And that was as simple as
it was for me in that moment to be like, Okay,
you don't know what you want you want and I do,
so I'm okay on this, I'll be all right. And
that's what that song's about.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I kind of drunk, what's that? And yeah, you came
to that realization drug, Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yes I did, I really did.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I must have the recording somewhere of just like
like I was just like playing these like weird, like
funky like half jazz chords that I was just like
singing on top of like a loop, and I just
kind of was like man sober did drunk er alive,
Like it doesn't matter, like if you had your life together,
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if everything was perfect and exactly the way you wanted it,
like you still like haven't done the inner work and
have like made the choices that for yourself. And that's
not somebody I want to be around in my life.
I don't care if you want me or not. You
don't have your priorities in order. So I'm gucci, as
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they say, the kids say.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
No, it's funny the reason I ask about, you know,
coming to the realization drunk. I remember interviewing Adell when
twenty one came out, and like we're doing an AOL
session and she told me that, you know, like so
much of the album she would journal while drinking Jack Daniels.
So I feel like you've hit upon a lot of truths.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Why and you know what were what was the what's
the drink of choice that you know gives you your
best opipes?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Thank you for asking I for writing If I'm like
I typically when I write, I'd like to not be inebriated,
if you will. I like to kind of write. I
like writing in the middle of the day or in
the middle of the night. Really it's about time for me.
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But I also just sometimes have a thought and write
it down. So I'm kind of I always say that
like I'm always writing, like like at any given moment,
like I'm writing like ideas down so whatever, I'm like
sitting down with the guitar, I'm pulling out.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
All the ideas I had.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
But if I was in the studio and I got
to choose what drink I would have to write, I
would absolutely pick scotch.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't know what it is. I love McAllen.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It also is the name of my hometown spelled differently,
so that's a kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But I whiskey for sure. I'm a tequila drinker.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But when it comes to writing something about whiskey, bourbon, scotch,
like that whole that whole profile is just like it
puts me really in like a very calm and like
kind of I sit in myself in that moment, like
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I'm very myself. When I'm on tequila, I am like
will like I am, I'm high energy and I'm like,
I might say things I don't mean, but with whiskey,
I'm going to say things.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That I've never said in a way that I never
will again. So if I had to.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Choose it with the best song you've been that it's
funny because I personally found that, like, I never liked.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Writing when I was like on drugs. I would like
write a lot in college on drugs, and then go
back and look at it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I would be like the stupidest shit anybody's ever written.
But it was funny because I remember talking with Ozzie,
who I knew forever, and he told me when he
wrote Black Rain, it was the first album he ever
wrote sober, and he was really scared to like if
he could write an album sober. But I do think
most people do their best writing sober. However, you know, again,
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there's no rules with writing, there's no process, with the
idea that it's channeling, and you know, maybe sometimes the
best shit will come out when you're drunk, maybe when
you're sober, maybe when you know you're on acid, maybe
when you're in a ride volcano. It doesn't really matter,
you know, for you, what is the best stuff you've
written on whiskey, the stuff you've brought of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
My favorite that I've written definitely and what I can
I remember drunk definitely was was sober Dead Drunker alive
but sober. My favorite song that I've written off that
particular record is definitely sex, Drugs and rock and Roll,
which is really funny from the title because I don't know,
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I feel like I've always had like a funny way
of saying things, and I think that with uh, It's
something that I've always like said, like if I'm getting
to know someone and like dating or even as a
friend or whatever, like I feel like I don't know
that person until I know what their rock.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And roll is.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And that's what I've always said, like, oh yeah, I
kind of know I'm a little bit, but I don't
know what his rock and roll is. And like for me,
my rock and roll is rock and roll, like doing music,
like that's my passion, Like that's my that's my whole
like purpose, Like that's what I've been chasing my whole life.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like I like to know what everybody's rock and roll,
Like what's your rock and roll? Like is it is it?
Is it? Writing? Is it?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Skiing? Is it, Uh, race car driving? Is it like
you know, is it traveling?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Like what's your what's the thing that makes your that
lights your soul on fire?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So I always like.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
To know that about people, even if like they do
different things for work, which I I don't even want to.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Know what you do for work. I want to know
what your.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Rock and roll is, Like, what's that thing that you
like you're working to get and working to do. What's
that thing that like you're like, I'm doing all of
this bullshit so that I can do this, you know,
Like that's that's the thing that tells me a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
About a person.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And uh, I realized that, like I don't know, that
could be a song. And I kind of just wrote
down in my notes one day, like sex, drugs and
rock and roll because it's that phrase with like something
that and I think it was the sixties, like that
was like they were teaching all the kids, like, hey,
like stay away from sex, drugs and rock and roll
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because right now everything in music and you know, concerts,
everybody's doing all of that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Like that's the thing you stayed away from those days.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And I think that in my song sex Drugs and
rock and Roll it's about how I want to know.
Those are all the things I want to know about
a person. I want to know what they're into, I
want to know their darkness, drugs, and I want to
know what they're passionate about. So like that's the kind
of like how like my take on sex, drugs and
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rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So that was my favorite thing that I've written. Sober
for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But yeah, well, okay, so now we know what your
rock and roll is. But it's funny because I was
going to ask you about that song because there is
such a mythology around that saying. And of course, you know,
now this time has gone by, you know again, it
was very glamorized in the seventies, you know, when it
was such a time of hedonism, debauchery and rock and
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now of course sex, drugs and rock and roll, when
so many fucking people have died from drugs and rock
and roll is you know, like a it's a bad thing,
there's no question, you know, because so many great people
have died. But you know, there's still is mythology around
that saying, and I was going to ask you what
that meant to you. So now we know what your
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rock and role is, But what's your sex and your drugs?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, for me, that's such a good question.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I would say, like what I'm into is, like I'm
really into like being having like a closeness with someone,
Like that's the thing that makes uh like me feel
like more attracted to someone. Definitely, Like that's what I'm into,
is like having chemistry. I know that sounds like in
and of itself obviously, but I'm really into, uh getting
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to know somebody on a very very close level because otherwise,
like I can't, I can't really like I won't, it
won't excite me at all if if you will. I
also am really into, like I'm really into a man's voice.
I'm a voice person if if that's like so specific,
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But that's that's definitely one of the things for me.
But and drugs, my darkness definitely would be Hmmm, that's
a that's a good question too. I think for me,
drugs my darkness would definitely be. It's just so there's
so many different shades, probably like aspects of my past
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and like the kind of relationships I got into where
I kind of lost myself and made decisions that I'm
not proud of, and things I like to forget, I think,
and things I try to forgive myself for, and those
are kind of things that like would only be kind
of shared with somebody that I'm getting close to and
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getting to know, and they come out.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Much later, much later in like that kind of interaction.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
But that's also something that I would want to know
about somebody I'm like, you know, getting to know in
a romantic way. And I think that song was also
just kind of me manifesting the kind of relationship slash
like closeness I'm trying to feel in my life, because
at the beginning of the album, I'm like really lost
about how I feel about like myself and how I
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feel in relationships, how i'm how I feel when I
go out, how I feel in general, like my relationship
to myself. So by the end of the album, with
that song being the last, is like, no, you know what,
I want to own all the ugly parts, and I
want to know your ugly parts too and see how
that works, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So it's interesting. I won't ask you, you know, to
get to you personal and things you won't forgive yourself
for it, but I I'm curious, like, you know, that's
interesting to me that phrase because I feel like, as
a writer, music is a way to forgive yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And do you feel like in your songs and in particular,
are there any songs off Fixin where you find yourself
again with the idea of writing being subconscious, where you
found yourself forgiving you for things that you didn't even
realize you were forgiving yourself for until you heard the song.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Totally, absolutely my song Control.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That song was definitely a pivotal moment in the album,
that track Ctrl. It's definitely a song where I started
to realize that I was more focused in a certain
relationship on the like I thought it was love and
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affection and understanding, but when I really got down to it,
I was like, I was just really obsessed with control
because there was so much about this person that I
actually didn't respect.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I was so critical of and I was very like,
you know, I.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Was always finding like things wrong with this person and
wanting to pick it all apart, and and me like
realizing that this person that I was with is somebody
that I didn't have any respect for. But I was
pushing the relationship to work because I had this obsession
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that I didn't realize at the time with control, and
that was something very dark that I discovered about myself
because I was like, it was more about like a
no like this person because I don't whatever like they
have to like me. And it was such an evil
part of myself that I bumped into while writing. And
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because this person ended up, like we were talking about, well,
this person ended up cheating on me, and I was like,
how dare they cheat on me? And I was like, dude,
you were so checked out of that relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You were so critical.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And I'm not saying that it's somebody that I you know,
something I deserved happened to me to me quote unquote,
but it was just kind.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Of like a.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Like how much could it have really hurt your feelings
when you were so like you didn't you said you
The first line of the song is when I said
I loved you, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Mean it because I didn't. I just was obsessed with
having control.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And that was a part of myself that I still
try to reconcile with and forgive and move on and
grow from it. But yeah, I know it's definitely Vixen
is my a in a very pop R and B
four kind of way. Therapy session a little bit, but
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you can still bop and vibe of course.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean, you know, I think you know, I'm trying
to think now that's funny.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean because I think of albums like we were
talking about before, Tangle at Blood of the Tracks, or
like Joni Blue.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You know, but what are those albums for you that
are good therapy sessions that you can also bop to?
Because there are many of them. Of course, Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My gosh, albums I like that are like.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No albums that like again, when you listen to them,
they feel like therapy sessions, but you know, you can
also just dance your ass off to them.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I definitely feel that way about Kailawnie's It Was Good
Until It Wasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That's like a song that's like an.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Album I can like throw on in the car and
like totally vibe to and like really just like lose
myself in it and like have fun.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But also if you listen to the lyrics, I'm just like,
oh wow.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Like I also, she has a song about hating the
club and like going to the club because she knows
that someone that she's trying to run into is going
to be there, and that's such a real experience. I think,
you know, it doesn't always have to be the club,
but like you know, like going somewhere because you know
someone will show up and uh, And like the song
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is like very much like a very like vibe, like
kind of like you can really ride.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
To it kind of album and that particular record.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But it definitely makes me think about like the choices
we make to prove things to ourselves that we could
just kind of reconcile on our own and not have
to involve others and damage everybody along the way.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
All right, So that's it.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
What's the worst place you went to to bump into someone?
And it's funny for me on the opposite, because if
I don't want to see someone, I'm just like, dude,
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But what's the worst place you went?
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh my god? You know, well, I'm like you in
the sense that, like, I'm not trying to run into anybody.
In fact, I I was with a friend that actually
was trying to run into somebody, and the person and
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she was trying to run into is homies with somebody
that I wasn't trying to run into. But I'm sure
that that person thought I was trying to run into them,
but I was really going with her because I was
trying to be a good friend.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
But also there's.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Probably a little part of me that wanted to run
into him, but he was there with someone else, So
that was really painful for me.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
At the time.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And I literally saw them and my purfree like they
were passing by, and I remember him like looking at me.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And then I just like left the club. And it
was also like it's like stupid, like.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Underground, like after hours kind of bullshit, you know, in
the middle of the night, and I was like, oh,
I'm getting the fuck out of hereby Like I don't
want to be somebody who's just like conveniently somewhere to
run into somebody like oh, and what would they say
if they saw me?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Like I really don't like that. I don't want to
be seen by people.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't want to see I'm really I know, I'm
a singer and I and I put out songs that
so that that I want everybody to hear and see
and all these things, but in my personal life, I
actually don't like that kind of attention.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I really don't. I really don't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I like to I like to fly beneath the radar
in my personal life, if that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Makes sense, yeah, said, But how do you do that
while also trying to be a single? Like it's funny
because I mean, you know, I obviously follow each other
on Instagram, you have fan club. I mean that's a
weird fucking thing.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I know, no, and and that in that respect, I
think it's really cool.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Like I'm oh, my gosh, like I used to, like,
you know, pray for that, like and I'm continuing to, like,
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's that it's just it's like it's you know, when
you when you have someone who watches everything you do.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That's just a weird thing it is.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And I think in that respect I'm fine with because
I stand by the things that I do.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
But I guess I'm like a like if I'm.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like hanging out with friends and like you know, there's
some sort of like you know, conflict or whatever, Like
I'm not going to try to like make things about
me and like be the center of attention.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
On purpose kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I think that's more so what I mean, if if
people are following me around, I want to know what
I'm up to by by all means come in, let's
let's have a chat, have.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
A seat, here's a beer, like we can you can
spy on me here and here I am. If that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
That sounds like a terrible idea. Actually I should be
more careful.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I was inside that. Yeah, you probably don't want
to invite people to spy on yea. You know.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Sometimes I'm an open book.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Sometimes I'm like like, like, I not an open book,
but like some of the pages are like, you know,
folded over that you can you can open them. I'm
an analogy person, so I can be quite obnoxious.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
In that respect.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
H R.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So what what are the plans for this out coming up?
Like you mentioned there's a deluxe edition.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yes, I'm so excited about the deluxe.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Actually I have some really really cool tracks coming out
for the deluxe. It's very much like like the Revenge
side of Vixen, like kind of like it's a very
like like a dark kind of.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Chapter that like is kind of like a post chapter
to the album. It's like me sitting in myself but
also kind of like owning a little in some.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Songs, a little bit too much of my darkness and
kind of like telling those chapters, or like telling those
stories and those chapters of my life through these very
like maybe sometimes a little bit of like a toxic story,
but also kind of examining that in the verses and
then owning it in the chorus.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
So I'm excited for Vixen Deluxe.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'm still wondering if I should say the name of it,
but it'll be coming out in the fall, so I'm
really excited.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's going to be August twenty third.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I believe, Wait, isn't that summer?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You're right, Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
In my head, people picture calendars, right, I feel like
it's on that side of calendar.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You're right, it is summer. It's gonna be a late
summer release.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
All the songs are pretty much done, but I kind
of want to add one more. And it's very that's
definitely a very risk song, and I'm not sure if
I want to do it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It almost made my it almost.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Made Fixen like proper, but I wanted more time with it.
It's it's a very I don't know, it's kind of
a scandy mandy song, so I was a little shy
about it, but I think that's what Vixen's about I
need to just own it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I'm good to say risk in what way? Okay, we'll
give like give me an example of the song teeth
that's very risque, and then compare it to a risque.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Song, like another riskue song.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not for me you, but like just a famous riskue song,
like a song that you really love that you would
think of it as riske.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Oh right, Well, it's kind of one of those kind
of like I don't know if the phrase is tongue
in cheek, but it's one of those songs where it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's a double on tondre that I.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Which I love playing around with in writing, and uh
like or like a lot of people do like acronyms
that are like you know, they embed different like phrases
into things that like, so it plays on the radio
kind of even like.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Huh is it right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You're like, yeah, I know it a double on tondres or.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Or thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, well there's different ones whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
But anyway, so that's kind of like the vibe for
the songs because it's like has like double meaning and
but I think.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
The question about skates on like what's your favorite skates on?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
My favorite? There's so many. This is such a good question.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I think Sabrina does a really good job of it,
and I'm very I'm always very inspired by her work.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Lately.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I think her song, uh, what was it tears, it's
kind of in the vein of like, you know, because
she talks about tears running down her thighs. She's so
impossibly clever and her and everybody she works with, I mean, mister.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Branton Off is the shit.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
So yeah, it's like it's it's funny because like this
song that I'm talking about, I probably wrote like quite
some time ago. It's one of the songs that, like
some songs I write in an afternoon and some I
like spend a lot of time with because I'm like, no,
this is like special and cool and like, I don't know,
I see visions of like funny, we were talking about
casinos earlier. I have, like I have all these visions
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of like a casino with it, So I think I
might do something like casino wise.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
With the visuals.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know, something like that, because it's about like
luck and rolling the dice and.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Taking a risk and saying something crazy to somebody and
like not sure if they're gonna like be into it and.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Or if they're gonna be like, oh my god, no thanks.
So that's kind of like the fun part of the song.
But so yeah, probably that one.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But I also love that like Gaga, I think in
poker Face, she was saying like fuck her face in
the song, but nobody could tell because it sounded like
poker Face.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So she was saying all these terrible, terrible things on
the radio that nobody saw. But anyway, one of the
best songs ever.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Obviously, I don't have to let's do it again because
I have to notice that. All right, we'll wrap up
a few minutes, but I mean, you know, just wrapping
up on some fun notes. So did you mention risque?
You know, like what to you is like, what's the
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best craziest LA party you've been too? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Oh. Probably when I first moved here in twenty twenty,
it was probably like late late twenty twenty, so things
were opening up it, things were still close, and I
was just.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like trying to go to like any studio session. I
was trying to meet people in the industry. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I think a roommate was like of mine was like
I don't know, buying weed from some dude that like
came to the house.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And she was like I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
She liked me at all or anything, but she was
like telling I overheard her like on the balcony being like.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, yeah, she does music.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You should talk to her. And it was mind you,
like eleven pm. And I was like, oh, and I
guess she's been hearing me play my guitar or something.
And he was just like, oh, you want to come
to the studio? And I was like the where and
he was like downtown and I was like sure, maybe
why and like he did like music too, and like
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he was like a rapper and he was like.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You should come.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I get avited to a lot of hip hop sessions.
Weirdly enough, I'm like, I'm not a rapper, but like
I'll I'll sing a hook for you.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But it was so funny because I ended up going
and it wasn't until like it was at like two
or three in the morning, and I was like and
downtown Los Angeles and like I rolled up in like
my Toyota Yars at the time, and I was like, oh, dear,
I'm scared. And it was this like huge, huge studio
and like everybody's doing all these drugs, and there was
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like one girl behind the mic and she was like
trying to like cut a song, and it was like
she was getting kind of like overwhelmed by all the hullabaloo,
if you will, and I think she ended up taking
off because she just didn't want to fucking deal with it.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And then the producer threw on another track.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
And I've been in sessions, so I'm just kind of
like in the corner just listening to whatever they're playing
and just writing shit, writing verses, thinking of melodies, and
then like somebody was like, oh, this is the girl
we were talking about, like throw her on the mic,
and I was like, oh cool, yeah, I actually have
a few things.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Let's fucking go.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So I would say this is probably like the craziest
party I've been too, because like most of the people
there were there to party, and there was like four
people there trying to record, and so I ended up
like kind of in a way.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Performing for all these people and drugs.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I actually ended up making some really interesting friends that
I still am friends with today there and some I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Which is interesting, so that's probably crazy. I don't know,
it's probably crazier parties.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So what's like the most unexpected hip hop said she
got invited? Jill?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Oh my gosh. Actually there was one recently. I'm not
even sure if I could talk about it, but she
was lovely. She was she's a female. I'm just like,
I'm not sure if I can, but she she's a.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
She's in a amazing female artist rapper, and I'm actually
like a super super big fan of her, like all
my own.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And I got invited to the session during Grammy Week
and I.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Was like, you know, it was through a songwriter that
I know, and he was like, oh yeah, you should come,
and I was like, oh my goodness, like and I
didn't want to like fan girl too much so it'd
be like, oh, chill, chill, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
But when I went, it was like, you know, definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Like super super cool, and she was like so down
to earth and it was so awesome to like see
her work and I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I wasn't there. I wasn't invited by the way to write.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I was there to like, you know, hang out, which
is like definitely the kind of vibe sometimes, so it
was really cool to watch her work and write and
like freestyles super super dope, but you know it was,
it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
That was actually super recently.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Nice. All right, So what do you want people to
take from Vixen when they hear it? Wait before, I
before I Yeah, what are the touring plans?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yes, we are looking at dates in Europe and as
well as we're looking into a Germany tour. That's like
my second biggest market right now, so that's like super
super exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I've never toured before, and I actually don't travel very much.
But luckily Christianna, my manager, and a lot of my
friends are very.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Skilled and traveling, so I feel like I'll have good company.
But my my guitarist slash drummer Dylan is also down
to just take on Germany.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And like play these different like hotel rooftops. I'm really
really stoked on it. So look out, Germany. I'm gonna
party with you. It's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Does Germany party?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm about to find out?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I know I I do.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
But also when I'm like, if I'm going to be
like singing every single night, I will be very I'm
so annoying when it comes to like performing and like
not drinking the night before or during, because I don't
think I sound very good when I'm drunk.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I think I sound very bad. I have no dexterity.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I mean, I don't know. I've not been to Germany.
I always just think of Robin Williams, who's my favorite comedian.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Talking about you know, like he was doing a German
talk show and they asked him why are there no
funny people in Germany?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
He's like, did you ever think you killed them all?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
That's terrible? Rest in peace, Robin Williams.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Man, Well, I don't think of German. I'm sorry, I
have a party play.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I do not think of Germany as a party place.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I mean, I've seen some pictures of some of the
venue we're gonna rock out it, and it looks like
they're partying pretty good man.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'll have to report back.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I mean, then again, we read did go in there?
David Bewie partied there a lot, So maybe just that
who knows. Okay, that's a good question. Then we'll wrap
up on that. What you want people to take from
Vixen but if you go party with any rockstar, who
would it be? Oh my goodness, and I mean party,
not you know, like hang out, but like you know
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at a hotel window like the Who, or throw a
motorcycle into the pool, or you know, definitely dead or alive.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Sure, Yeah, well, definitely TV out the window.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I definitely would want to party with the Doors because
I have a lot of lyrics inspired by Doors song
and the Doors, like discography.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
In sex, drugs and rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
So I think that, you know, just for the vibes,
I definitely would do want to hang out with the Doors.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
And and you already know my other answer, and you're
gonna be so mad at me.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
But I would definitely pick Dylan, uh, mister Bob Dylan
for sure, just because I think, even though I'm sure
he doesn't, maybe he does party.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I'm about to find out maybe he does. I definitely
would party with him.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
I would also love to party with Stevie Nicks, even
though I know she doesn't party anymore, but maybe like
Stevie Nicks back in the day, let's see, I would
definitely want to.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Party with them, for sure.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I would I feel insensitive saying party in this context,
but I definitely would love to, uh have had like
a drink with Amy Winehouse or something. She's definitely one
of my biggest inspirations and she's like the coolest fucking rock.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Star ever forever. But yeah, cool. What do you want
people to take vixim when they hair?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think that I would want people to take away
like that, like.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Listening to it and kind of like getting introspective about
their own you know, choices and the way they move
through the world. Like I want like women to throw
on this record when they're getting ready to go out
and like, you know, as you're doing your hair and
your makeup and picking an outfit and kind of like
putting together yourself for the night, like you know, thinking, you.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Know, while we're getting ready as like women, it's such
a like ritual, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's like, oh, like I don't like how I you know,
look in these but maybe if I put it with
this jacket, you know, Like I feel like sometimes we
do that emotionally like and I feel like that's like
what Vixen is really all about, because I know that
it's where it came from when I wrote it is
just like owning these dark parts of yourself and making
them sparkly and have mescare in a lip loss and
(39:03):
just kind of owning it because I think there's nothing
like sexier or about There's nothing more sexy than just
like owning who you are. And so I think that's
what I'd want people to take away from the album,
is just like to own who you are and have
a fun time.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I guess, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Do you want to add that we did not talk about.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Other than album coming out late summer, the Deluxe for Vixen,
definitely touring Germany and I'm hopefully hopefully going to play
a show in the summer here in Los Angeles. I'm
just trying to find the right place to kind of
have a Vixen party. No big deal, So you have
(39:48):
to come to.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Well, what is like the ultimate Vixen outfit? By the way,
because you know we were talking about leather before we're dealing,
I feel like, you know it would be like, but
again for you, what is like the ultimate Vixen outfit?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
A leopard skin pillbox hat? I'm joking. I think I
think I always kind of.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Think of this one like I don't know, like it
just depends on my mood, because that's kind of what
Vixen's about, just like kind of like leaning into like
whatever you're feeling at the moment. So I think I'm
very much like I love wearing all black, even though
I really shouldn't, but I also love wearing like a
dark red, So probably that and like my bitchy black
(40:35):
leather boots, my really bitchy ones.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
That's very Vixen for me. Cool, it's some, and definitely
a stiff glass of my calen.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You feel me, all right,
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