Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
The greatest trick that the media played on society is
that the fab Fire was some dumb Negroes that went
to Michigan. That was.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Like the biggest trick and we didn't have like social media.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I can say nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm like, I'm on the Dan's List, and that treated
me like I'm some dumb.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
What up y'all? Joe Crack, the Dawn, Your Boy.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Jada Show, Every show, Legendary, every show, Iconic All Star
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
We got our brothers, God Sham Guard, Chilean Rolls.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Make some noise for them coming from where we come from.
If we love basketball, your one of There's a lot
of levels the basketball, but we all know, but being
the McDonald's All American.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Is probably one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's things you can accomplish of your career as a
high school kid.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
On me playing amongst the grades. We're gonna find out.
I'm gonna talk to him about the film. We're gonna
have some fun today.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Is this a proper We're gonna open this at some
point now, we gotta open that ship up.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Is a lot to celebrate about.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
So I just have to say this because this is
this is actually crazy. I think I'm the oldest person
up here here.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
I'm older than you.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Cray, I tell you one day if you're older than me,
definitely using rewind the time that you want to box,
you said, Joe, I'm not ready for that.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
You might as.

Speaker 6 (01:54):
Well make money off the stuff, get higher in your
own supply.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I got a different wine ten in CBS Sally's Stop
and Shop.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, I gotta I gotta plan, Joe. I got me
a couple of stuff that I'm gonna do.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I have a plan of working on beauty products and
stay tuned. That's why I got love for you. I
ain't know I I thought you was missing out. No,
but I have to say this. I really have to
say this, Like this is like real still, like I
love y'all. This ain't no Hollywood like friendship, relationship, kinship

(02:37):
like I've been in Miami at three in the morning
and he saved my life. Real talk, like I have
the Jada Kiss bust for the Hall of Fame and
he don't even have it because he gave it to me.
These are the only two people that I believe that

(03:00):
have a show that I'm on their show, and they've
both been on my show.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
And that's a fact, right. You know, we got jerked
by Mellow. I did Mellow show me show that motherfucker
won't come.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
To our ship. Curve.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
He's curving us.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
He's curving us in the home of the Turbans.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
And so to see you guys doing your show, y'all
chilling it dog And this is.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Their first live show, Give it up on.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
This is their first live show, Give.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
It up on.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And I gotta say this about you, Like the sham
guy move in basketball is the equivalent of like wearing Jordans,
like it really is, Like that's.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
A real thing, and how you develop players.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You're an incredible coach and you've always stayed ten toes down,
like we love you, brother.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I appreciate that love y'all.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
You know, you know, everybody up here family with me,
Like Joe knew me when I was young. Me and
Kiss practically grew up together with the large children of
the corn They's camp and all of us. So me
and Kiss been down like since fifteen years old, fourteen
years old, knowing each other and hanging out and stuff
like that. So just to see, you know, their growth.

(04:23):
And then Joe's went from being a terror to everyone
to the stuff that he's doing now is amazing. And
like Joe, No, like he the first person.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I hit up. People don't even know the.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
First person I told that JB was gonna be good
for his knicks. When he asked me, he said, Hey,
is Jaalen gonna be good? And I was like, I
don't know if the team is gonna be good, but
I know Jalen is gonna be steady.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
And he's gonna be consistent.

Speaker 7 (04:51):
And my brother Jellen did way more than either one
of us could imagine, So you know what I'm saying.
Like me and Joe always had a relationship since I
was young. You know, Joe always did amazing things for
the hood and stood up against people in the hood.
So like there's always love. And like I said, kisses
my brother and roses, what can you say about him

(05:13):
in the fave far you know what I'm saying. So
like he got his own thing in Detroit like I
had in New York. He was in the streets and
went to the NBA and did his thing and changed
the whole culture him and his five five brothers.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So I have a Joe and Jada question because these
are my actual brothers, Joe, I got to ask you
a question, mister crack, when did you get nice?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Nice to want You're you're a nice human being now?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, bless god, You're a thoughtful you're intelligent, you're well dressed, Like,
why do believe?

Speaker 6 (05:56):
I believe I was always a nice guy. I always
had a curton heart and everything. It's just we grew
up in such a tough environment growing up that you
had to be tough because you even with predator or
you was pray that refused to be pray. I was
bullied a lot when I was a young kid, so
I had to go into that. And then when I

(06:18):
got in the rap game, it was no fucking difference.
I don't want to disrespect hip hop, but it was
like you meet somebody like, all right, I want to
meet this rapper. This is my man. Two times a
mac he get double life, came home on an appield
like you Like, there ain't no bahds and masters in

(06:38):
hip hop. You just meet the craziest motherfuckers. This guy
killed forty six guys. He's my new road manager. So
you had no choice but to be tough in the
hip hop and so you know, this shit forced me.
But I always was looking for a way to be
nice and always be myself and at the beginning, I

(07:01):
ain't gonna lie to We were staying. If I fuck
with Jada kiss, if I fuck with fab, if I
fuck with Biggie, if I fuck, we would stand in
the club and stare at each other.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And just be like nobody here saying nothing like you
just looking at me.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Be like He'd be like, hey, thank god, now we
got we can show our personality and shit like that.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So for Jada, my other brother, it's not the chikh
Lutes and styles p brothers too.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Give me up lots like I love seeing people wearing
the shirt now, the hat now, because sometimes it takes
time for people to catch up. So I got to
ask you, top five d o a that's now doing
podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events, Like,

(07:52):
what made you decide that this was the opportunity for
you to express yourself into space?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Great question?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Uh, I mean because y'all like top secret, Like the
locks are.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Like like a secret service. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Family, it's all about growth and in the state of
where the world is right now. People on the head,
authentic stories from people that lived it or people that
been through it, had in fact was supposed to do something.

(08:33):
He has a gold that didn't and fan out shout
out to.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
The you gotta be mad as hell the people, and
your name is actually cracked.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, but it wasn't crack.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know, I sold cracked, but it wasn't because I
sold a crowd, but normally, like he sham God because
of his handle, you're a crack, but I'm cracked because
the crack of my ass used to show.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And the girls that I'm telling you that me too. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Hold, I stopped cussing like twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's some bs, Joe.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's not because you stood up one time and you're
cracking your ass.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Are showing the class that is knowledge telling you that
is not you're telling me, but I saw you. That's
not the It's about Spike Lee.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA and
I talked the hole in his head for six hours
because Spike changed my life.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Do you got any more flags? Yes? Better re up
might have to get TD Jakes on the show.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I know.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Do you know that we know why your nickname is cracked?
Do you realize that no, the Feds just win. I
was telling my bullshit story.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I okay.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
So I convinced Spike Lee, you know, let me try
out for this show he has, She's got to have
it on Netflix. And and when I went to try out,
I made it. And so before I could do it,
because you know, Spike Lee missed the pro blackness, the conscious,
he brought me in front of his whole staff. He

(10:28):
made me explain why my name was Crack. And I
was like, you know, I'm in junior high school. I've
always been fat, by the way, I always been fat
Joey since perf Okay, I've never been skinny in my life.
I've been fat Joey one years old, two years old,
three years They always been fat Joey. And so you know,
I would get up to go write something on the

(10:49):
board in junior high and.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
The girls like Joey Crack. So that's how I got
the name Joey Krack. When I explained it, you could
see the whole staff. Spike Lee staff was like, ah right,
he consulted, yes, sold it.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Okay, okay, double and tundra.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, okay, if you want to believe that, fine, congratulations,
We love y'all. Jen broy Man got the sharpest line.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
I gotta go to Turkey to get some ship like
you got that fucking hen do that ship? That shit
a cut of mother like that? You catch a fucking
paper cut, you fuck with that ship. I'm gonna watching
that ship on TV. I said, man in there, got
the sharpest line I ever seen their fucking world.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
How many cuts you get a week?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
So the craziest thing for public assumption is I literally
just get a haircut before y'all see.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
There's nothing special. Like I knew I was gonna be
got a haircut today.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
You cannot get rid of that ball b I won't
the second you try.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I won't let me tell you something I say all
the time. I got a prompt. I have a serious problem.
I'm a shoper. Holly, what did I do now? Hight up?

Speaker 5 (12:16):
I didn't say nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I've seen that hand movement.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
I'm already like, oh abuse, like I see the head
go up.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I'm thinking I'm getting the flag for no.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
But you know, I like shopping and ship and I
got a real big problem and but they told me, Yo,
the minnie you don't dress, they gonna say you fell
off like a real motherfucker. Yeah, you better keep blowing
that bag because YO, let me tell you something you
try to see.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
So, Hey, So I I love y'all show. I watched
y'all show each time, so I would love to ask
y'all a couple of question you've.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Been asking us. I don't know if you know shop
no Joe Jalen okay, cool. I got one question. I
got one question.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
I got one question because we all grew up together.
So for people that don't know, like Jadakiss play basketball,
at least shooters still con shoot. Now, when did you
say you was going from playing basketball to rapping? I
know when Mason Camp did it because I was with
them every day. But when did you go from that

(13:32):
let rapping?

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I got all the wrong letters, the wrong I got letters.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
This wasn't right. Personal college. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, Juico awful.

Speaker 8 (13:48):
SID twos, couple D three some, But it wasn't wasn't
It wasn't happening like I was all right, But you
had to be You got to know when the when
to fold them.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Kenny Rogers, I was a bit taller, a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I probably never would have winn in the booth, but
God didn't bless me with those things, so I just
had to figure something else out.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Well, just like a ballplayer for y'all. You know, Yon
just is right next to the Bronx to say, Inglewood whatever.
So I heard about these guys and they were dumb young,
and they was like, Yo, there's these guys.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
They caught the Warlot just like basketball here, but the player.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
They was like, Yo, these guys call the wall Loots,
and I'm like the Walllocks.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
It was like, yaddy, they did nice.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
And a couple of times, Joe Body used to hang
out at this gas station, so I would ride by
and I'd be like and they'd be like, Yeah, that's
the that's them, that's the Warlt.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
And then they just blew the fuck up. You know.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's it's like that when you hear somebody's names. You
know what's crazy is when thinking of basketball.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Steph on Ballbury, you know, he grew up in the
projects in Coney Isllen. I want to know if this
happened to you. He said he'd be outside ten years old,
ten dribbling in the park and he would see like
white men just standing in there watching them, and he's

(15:21):
in the middle of the hood and white man to
be over there looking at him at ten years old,
eleven years old, twelve, and he was like, yo, they
was the scouts and they knew when I was ten
years old, I was going to the fucking league.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
Yeah, because he has step On because he had because
he had you know, he had three brothers that played
and they didn't really make it, so they put everything
in them. So that's why would anybody like arguing me
about Steph. It's hard for me they really even understand
the argument because like when when I started playing basketball,
I didn't stop playing Basstall. I moved to hallm so
I stopped playing basketball late, like eleven twelve. And it

(15:56):
was so crazy because me and Steph used to hang
out and I'm like, this dude is the number one
seventh grader in the.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
World, and I'm like, man, I'm not even two hundred
in New York City in the world in the world.
I'm like, how's he that much better than me?

Speaker 7 (16:12):
So then he like forced me to work out every day.
And then my senior year, we both was in the
twelfth grade. We both got co Player of the Year.
Then I got to number fifteen in the country play
you know, while we're here, made the McDonalds with American game.
And it's so funny because when I was in the
ninth grade, my coach was like, Hey, what you wanted
to do? And I was like, I want to play

(16:32):
McDonalds with America. I ain't know what the hell I
was talking about because I ain't know what the game was.
And he was like, how you think you're gonna play
McDonald's you like two hundred and ninety six in the
city in the ninth grade, and I was like, ah nah.
Then my coach told me, he was like, yo, you
come here every morning. Because I went to the South Cabin.
He was like, you come here every morning at six o'clock.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
When I started at eight.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
He was like, I'll work you out every day and
then after school you stayed two hours later and we'll
work out. And he was like you should be able
to make just because he said that, and because I
was hanging with step every day where like you said,
I remember his pops had him running up the stairs
in the project.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
We would go to Coney Island.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
His father would make him play with invisible basketball to
work on his form, like one hundred jump shots, no basketball.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Just shooting shooting, shoot and shoot it.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
And then like and then he used always tell me, man,
you could do it this and that, and I used
to be like and then because my father used to
train boxes, so I was already disciplined when I moved
from Brooklyn, so it was just all about work. And
then I dribbled so much till like in eleventh grade.
I used to stay in the park under the lights,
and I thought I could shake my shadow. So that's

(17:40):
how I used to dribble so fast because I just
be like, I know I could make my shadow move.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I know I could make a shadow move. So I
was looking like, c that's crazy shadow Like I was
like walking through the thing.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
But my thing for like Joe, is because I played
in fifty fifth like and the.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Eighth grade and ninth grade.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
What made you want to start coaching at fifty fifth
Because you know, back then, fifty fifth for people that
don't know, was like a movie.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was like you come up there, you.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Tell them fifty fifth fish, because.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, fifty fifth is rock a park.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
So like when I first moved up there, but people
don't understand one of the reasons. I mean, Jay Jady Kissno.
But like Mace is the first person that ever took
me to basketball played basketball, and that's Mace that used
to rap. So he was like, Hey, I'm gonna take
you to this park to watch this game.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
And I was like all right.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
You know at this point, I never played basketball. I
used to live in Brooklyn to do karate and do
wrestling and all that stuff. That's when that the white Chinese,
white man I used to come on the kung food
that wasn't Kelly.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, he used to walk everywhere, but he wasn't Chinese.
You walk in the.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Desert Nord there used to be a monk. Yes, yes,
that was so that was like my whole thing. Like
what's the name wrestler?

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yes, oh no, that was legendary guys.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Y'all too young for that hit. Yeah, So I used
to watch that and do wrestling every day.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
So then when I moved to Harlem, you know, in
Brooklyn the other day I used to do is Robin still.
So like when I moved to Harlem, it was like
a movie because I actually saw like black people making money,
say these benses even though they was drug dealers, Like
it was just like a movie. Then I go to
fifty fifth and I happened to go the day of
the All Star Game, and I saw a guy named

(19:27):
Malloy and Naysmith that would forever.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Be my eye. I don't care Malloy who like future,
so I don't care how much the Bronx.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
Yeah, so he was like for y'all, if y'all don't
know Malloy, hopefully y'all know Kareine Reid. They're like probably
the most legendary point guards up there because they played
for so long. And I went up there and I
saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through
Malloy's legs and fifty fifth and that forever changed my life.
I seen, I was hanging in the tree and I

(19:59):
saw like it was people coming up there getting dressed
at havetime, getting Jordan's all this when I was wearing
spots spot builts.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I didn't even know what Jordan's was. So it's just
like changed my life.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
It was like entertainment basketball because that was the first
time I saw something that like entertained fans and like
it made people famous. That wasn't famous, like you know,
like local heroes like walking down the street and people
like instantly know you, like that's Malloy Mason, that's Master
rob with somebody said, man, you know Magic Johnson. I said,
he can't mess with no Malloy.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
So when you're watching the league right now and you're
watching college and I would love to ask you this
one is okay. It's like people say the sham God
driven like it's a real that's a fact. It's like
muscle memories, like when you go to the doctor and
to hit your knee. You know what I'm saying for
muscle memory? So how did that come about? And for
those that don't know what that is, please tell them what.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, it's like what people don't understand.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Like I used to watch this guy named Sharon Anderson
and uh he used to always dribble up the call
with one hand, like going like this like inside out
one hand, one hand and then you factor in like
when I was growing up to like I know Joe
and Jaden late is you kid? And it's like, you know,
it's like when you see Cougie Rapp and all of

(21:26):
them you're growing up like these are like superheroes. So
when I first started playing basketball, even though I was
hanging with Steph Kareem, Reid Rafe for Austin, all these people,
they was already playing basketball since ten I wasn't playing.
So these dudes was like the Avengers to me, Like
I used to be like, yo, these dudes is off
the chain. If I ever could come a little bit
good like them, I would be nice. So then, like

(21:49):
like I said, I watched the kid named Sharon and
then Raf was like real nice at the time for
people that know that skipped through my look.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
So he used to do all this skipping stuff.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I went to the PS ninety, I've went to PS
one seventy five and the Janitor. One day, I'm in
there dribbling and stuff. In the gen it was like, damn,
if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody.
And I was like, man, who the fuck do you
think people are? Who are you talking about? So I
don't even know who is I go home. I get

(22:20):
this tape called Below the Rim. Below the Rim, that's
what it was like. Vaha says. It's like Kevin Johnston,
Magic Johnson chasing kid Tim Hardaway, but in the middle
of the tape, it's like pistol, p berman row, tiny
Archi ball all the people. So I'm like, man, this
dude looks familiar. So I go back to school. I'm

(22:40):
just watching him for a week. So then I got
the courage and I said, hey, you got a son
named tiny Archibra. And he was like, what are you
talking about? And I was watching this tape and it
said tiny Archibra, but his name is Nate Archiba, right, So.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I'm like, I'm not even putting to it.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
And I was like, he's skinny, so I kid, but
I'm thinking the people think, now, if you play in
the NBA, you rich. So I'm looking at him and
he's like, no, what are you talking about? That's me
And I'm like what, There's no way that could be you.
And I was like, why you didn't tell me you
played in the NBA. And he was like, oh, you
little kids just think you know everything. So I just
let and like, to this day, that's one of my

(23:17):
closest friends. But he the one that told me, like
he was like, if you master or something and you
do it for free, one day, the world will pay
you for it. So then we got an Insta tore
me in ninety seven. I was actually trying to do
another move, this move Kenny Anderson used to do. He
used to like go fast, change direction, throw it between
his legs, and what happened was the ball slipped. And

(23:37):
then the only thing I can remember is the dude
suran I used to grab the ball like that. And
then because I watched film a lot I used, I
went back to stay. I'm like, man, this thing, like, man,
that move could work. But then I still ain't think
nothing of it. And then I came home in the
summer and I went to the park I grew up in,
and I'm just looking through the fence and these little
kids like, oh man, I just shammed you. I just

(23:59):
shammed you. I'm like, what are you talking about? The
kids like yeah, I just shamguarded him and all that.
And then the next thing, you know, it just went
viral like that. And it's like one of the most
humbling feelings because I know everybody up here, anybody here,
if you work anywhere, you want to make it better
than how you found it. And for me, I get
to live in my inspiration every day because Mark Cuban,

(24:21):
people like that gave me a platform to show my talent.
So like when people say, like Russell Westbrook Chris Paul
doing the shamguard, and they're like, yeah, you know he's
sitting right there, he assistant coaching. So for me, that's
just amazing feeling because I know when I'm dead and gone,
I left basketball better than how I found it.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Wow, when the kid is ten years old, they would
learn how to do the shamguard.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know, I'm fried, right, I mean, I'm fucked up
in the head, so I.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Think the shit.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
You know, I grew up in the world with you
had to go get like it was a treacherous world.
When I seeing NBA players do the sh and god,
I thought they jerked you. I was like, Yo, these
niggas jerking sham.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
That's the ship.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
I was dumb tight I'm watching them. It wasn't like
you would be like, Yo, he did my move. I'm like, Yo,
they jerking sham. That's the fucking shamball ship.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Like, Yo, that's fucked up. Man.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I looked at ship so different. I'm not a positive thinker.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Man. I looked at it. I was like, Yo, they
owe hear money.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
Yeah, that's what everybody said. Everybody be like, man, did
you call it at it? Because you can get money?
And I'm like I'm like nah. For me, it's like
I said, like, it's just one of the most craziest
feelings in the world, because like I would forever be
known as one name forever.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
But who was it?

Speaker 6 (25:43):
There was one NBA player I was watching the game
live and then and they interviewed.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
They was like, yeah, what's the move? You did it?
He said the sham guard. Yeah, that was that was Westbrook.
Fuck yeah, Westbrook Westbrooks like the movie.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
He did the movie and the fucking announcer was in
the oil.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
He was like, yo, but what did you just do
with you?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Did? He said?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yo? That was the ship? But I was like, yeah, Yo.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Today's show is brought to you by our present the
sponsor hard Rock Bet Florida Sports Book.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I know it's tough out here with no football, but
don't worry. We're gonna make hard Rock bet. There's always
something to bet on every night. Who talking is so
much more.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Plus all the great same gay Paul lay Ash Live
betting and the player prop options you already know and love.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yo, did you even know all Rock Bet, the official
sports betting partner of the Miami Heat. In the Orlando
Man that they know their basketball like we know the streets.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yo.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
If you ain't signed up with hard Rock Bet yet,
there's never been a better time opportunity. New sign ups
can double their winning on their first ten bets.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Up to fifty dollars.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Word that means if you would have won a hundred
on your bet, well, Harrock Bet, make that two hundred
and listen.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
The hard Rock Bet sports book app is the only
legal sports book whenever you're in Florida.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
And it's already live in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado,
and Michigan.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Coming soon to more states too.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Plus Harrock Bet drops new promost daily, so whenever you're listening,
just open the app and see what's popping any day
of the week. Download har Rock Bet app and make
your first.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Depositive hard Rock best Baby.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
One payable and bonus bets not in cash. Offer offered
by the Seminole Tribe of Florida and Florida offered by
the Seminal hard Rock Digital LLC, and all other states
must be twenty one and over and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana,
New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, or Virginia to play terms and

(28:10):
conditions applied concerned about gambling in Florida called one eight
eight admitted in Indiana if someone you know has a
gambling problem and once helped, called one eight hundred and
nine with it gambling problem called one eight hundred gambling.
That's in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, and Virginia.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's from us.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
We never see nobody from the hood.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Like, that's the other thing we're going.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
To you, Jaylen Roads right, richer than everybody at here,
So you'll speak later, right yo, sham, Like you never
see the beauty of your story we talked about to
coach for Cleveland. Now the beauty about your story is
we never see nobody from this street, street playground legend

(29:06):
to go.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
To the NBA.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
That's why I skip was so special. We all offer
inspiration and then you go NBA, but you also go
and coach. You know, that's offering a lot of hope,
a lot of inspiration.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
And that's what makes you so dope.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
You know every you think about everybody we ever seen.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
You know, it's some nice guys like, but the whole
thing is like to give it up to y'all is
like and kids could attested this like we come from
a place.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Where things things seem hopeless. But I saw hope. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
When I see when I see Fat Joe at the
time being fat Joe, when I see jay Z at
the time being jay Z, Jesus know and even puffed
to a point like no disrespect all enough like part
part I've been in his life. It was all love
like so like they gave me the inspiration because like
I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I ain't see

(30:11):
that I saw like rob and stealing this and that
not saying Uptown wasn't crazy. The Bronx wasn't crazy, but yeah,
but they also the thing that was different from Brooklyn
to all the mother Barrows is like the stuff y'all
was doing, you still was getting money and you still
was like looking good, like still like man, I could
be something and it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe's going

(30:34):
to jail, Jesus going to jail this and that, Like
when I'm running around with kids, made chic styles, all
of them, like we get to see people over us.
That was like doing stuff that actually made money. So
it's like, So that's why, like even in my book
when I wrote, I'm like, you gotta be you gotta
be careful who you say, who's the hero and who's

(30:56):
the villain?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right, because I grew up with.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
Drug was that when I became nice in basketball, pay
my mom's rent for two years. So do I think
they're hero? Do I think they are a villain? You
know what I'm saying. I went to Providence. You know,
one was on America's most Warning. He was number three,
and I never knew that I'm in the park. Elbow
on him, talk to stuff to him. Nigga's a mass murderer.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
Then, But he always told everybody, Yeah, everybody in the hood.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
He was like, Yo, make sure Sham play ball, make
sure Sham is good.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
So those are people I grew up around, so it's
hard for me to always be like. So that's why
when I tell kids, it's easy for me to coach
them because I give them the dead truth and say, yo,
this could happen, that could happen.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
But if you let me help you, I can help you.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
You can still say what you want, like with Kyrie,
like when it was me and Kai, It's like, yo,
you can still say what you want, but let me
help you. Because if the worst thing you could do
is say you misunderstood, if you're not trying to let
people understand.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
You, say that again, I need a glass for this.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to
let people understand you. So my my whole thing in
life was always to try to let people understand me
because I know I would never be perfect. We all
not perfect. I'm gonna fell short even when I try
to do good. But if you have people that can
understand you, at least they can say, you know what,

(32:17):
I ain't really with that. I understand what you got
going on, so I'm just leave it alone. So when
they don't understand you, that's when the confusion start and
the madness start.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And now it's the problems.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
You know what I'm saying, which you see hall them
all day with my brothers that I try to make
sure get on the same page. It's just like with
Mason Cam like kissing no I'm just like, yo, we
gotta get together, bro, Like we all family. Like, if
something happened to me, your family gonna be upset. Son
happened you, My family gonna be upset. Even if we

(32:48):
don't speak.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
My family, my son and them still call you uncle.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Right.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yeah, I say that about hip hop, so I don't
know where it started where they try to put a narrative.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
But when somebody I'm with you grumpy uncle Grady right, yes, yes,
but say say something real sad that recently happened little
John's son.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I don't know him, but.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for little
John because Little John's my brother and I love him.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I didn't know his son, but we got like that.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
That's it goes deep in the rap. That's not a rapper.
That's the father losing his son. Yeah, if you got
any type of heart. But he's also a rapper.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
So what I'm.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Saying lost his son for me is no longer. Little
John is the guy with myself. I mean, I can't
imagine that feeling, so so.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Fuck the rappers. Jaden bigger than he said.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
He said is a man is this little man lost
his son.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
But it's it's just like, you know, like basketball and
rapping is like cousins, So like they come from the
most competitive place, right because you're still gonna have the
street guy that think he better than the guy that's
in the NBA, and then the NBA guy gonna be
like the street got to understand what it takes to
make it. So it's always going to be competition. It's

(34:21):
always going to be competitiveness. So that's why it gets confusion.
It's just like you said, when you went to the
club and you see other people, everybody face fighting, but
everybody in the same struggle, but nobody talking about it.
So they think they coming from two different places, and
they really not right. So that's why, like in Hall
of there's no person in Hall of that ever played

(34:41):
basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or
try to steer the right way, whether it worked or not.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's like, yo, I'm always here.

Speaker 7 (34:47):
I'm always because because when I left school early out
of college, I wish I had somebody there for me
to be like, nah, just stay one more year, just
just hold on. You know, everything gonna be all right,
you know, what I'm saying. But where we come from.
If you got your mom made up it, everybody like,
oh man, that's what's something you should do it. Then
when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro,
I don't even know why you.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Did that ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
So it's like, you know we come from, especially like
jailing with the Fab five, They're like, if they had
in I L they had been rich before, then.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
They owe them.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, so you feel they owe them? They oh they
you know the world, the couple of millions, the world
they fed.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, you ain't still actual to this day.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
We at the U M game, the championship football joint
and they still like, do.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
You think it's right that they Yeah, they it's right.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
They got paid because these colleges been selling tickets, selling
jerseys and these kids ain't begetting shipping.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
They've been like all right, guys, thank you.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
And not only that, these jerseys stay Fab five, your
jersey's still selling.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
The one thing about sports and money is and I've
talked about this a lot, so I'm not like interfering
with things that I have going on that I've been
talking about this for thirty years. The only sports to
have salary caps are black leg first off, but that's
basketball and football. Those are the only sports of salary caps. Baseball, Golf, NASCAR, Tennis,

(36:27):
you can keep naming. They do not have a salary
That's the first holy shit is correct. The second thing
is they have no after high school restriction. And so
that's a that's a residue of slavery. Is because we're
gonna get money off of you for multiple years for free.

(36:51):
There's no way around it.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
There's you how can we start? We got to start
the union.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
They doing it now. They're getting paid now.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
But he just made it finished.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yes, And so what happened in the game is it
became so obvious because of social media and because of information.
It's like we're making.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Billions of dollars. We gotta pam some.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
That's how it ended up happening. And so for the player,
like you're an artist. You guys are artists.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
We've been there. Bulls would win.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's where That's where I'm going, Like I have a
rape and pilloge and no shots or no shade or.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Whatever like whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
But I'm just like real spill, Like.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I have a free lock shirt, no doubt, Like I
have one that the locks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And what ends up happening in the entertainment is we're
the worker, we're the talent, but we're not the owner.
And that's the same thing in sports that happened with
the NIL. So I'm happy to see players now getting
paid off of their name, image and likeness. But if
you notice, you still got to pay the system. Like

(38:14):
NFL players, you have to be three years removed from
high school to go to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
A lot of people don't realize that got messed up.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Correct, you can't go straight from the NFL after your
sophomore year. Correct, you have to wait three years so
the system can profit off you. It's the same thing
with basketball, like NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin
Garnett like that you can come out of high school

(38:46):
and be productive in the league, but they still don't
allow you to do it so that you can feed
the system and they can make money off of them.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
And so I sit on the table about this for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
The third years and the greatest trick that the media
played on society is that the fab Fire was some
dumb negroes that went to Michigan.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That was I yeah, that was the that was like
the biggest trick, and we didn't have like social media.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I can say nothing.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I'm like, I'm on the D's List and they're treated
me like I'm some dumby and I took that personal.
So I'm happy that they're allowed to be paid right now.
But if you notice the NBA got a salary cap,
NFL still got us out.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I never do that.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So that's how they say you love something new every day.
You can end Both of those sports are like seventy
eight percent black. You can name on one hand of
black owners. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan. You're one
of the greatest of all time, so you can be
an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL.
I don't think it exists. No, magic is partially right.

(40:00):
Yeah's different though, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
You got Dolf.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
But you but you like but like to your point,
it's like I remember in twelfth grade, uh, me and
Steph we met with Spike Lee for he Got Game.
So a lot of people don't know, like it's based
on like part of steph life and then off my name.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He wanted to name the character.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
Guard and he was like when he saw me playing Listyle,
he came up with the idea of like, oh, Jesus
show work because he wouldn't say God or whatever, and uh,
Me and Steph auditioned and then he was like, oh,
I'm go give you all a part. But he was
like the problem was if we took the role, we
couldn't we be n C double A ineligible because we're

(40:47):
just getting paid. So that's why Steph ain't even do
this own movie. And then and Ray Allen was going
to the NBA so he could do it. So that's
what people that don't don't know about, Like the whole
movie thing came about, you know, and Spike talk about
this is not me just saying and Spike talk about
how he saw me play a little style, and then

(41:08):
he got the idea of like he was like, man,
he got that name and he's good in basketball. And
then that's instead of using God, just Jesus show.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And that's what I want to ask you, Kiss And
I don't ask you Joe, because I see a lot
of like articles about streaming and how they're not doing
the artist justice per se, like the artists to say
we can have like a billion. This literally reminds me
of the NCAA and IM when I see this about artist,

(41:37):
it's like you can sell a billion streams that make
like fifty.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I don't even understand. I don't even know if they
made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere
they just made up their own rules with sh am
I right room right, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
The fuck they doing. I don't mean to bring up
a story topic, but this is how I felt. This
is how I felt.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
If you go to any maybe maybe the higher ruption,
and you know, you're Gonnam barrass ivind Me and somebody
like that, and them type of people can explain it.
But I'm almost ninety seven percent sure if you just
ask any of your friends of the all the athletes,

(42:25):
and they're never gonna be even explain.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
It's one of them that's crazy. So that that's the
equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now let's
pay for play. So Fad Jones a great high school player,
and he's gonna pick a school to go. Now they're
picking the highest bidder. Yeah, but most of the players

(42:50):
aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what
made us. Different is we would have been selling a
rachie black black socks or like like we were jerseys,
like we were selling product.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Artists, y'all are selling product, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So I don't understand how I can buy your your
song or your your album, but you don't get paid
from it.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Really, how does we've been We've been sold out from
the forefos and unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
We're trying to give her fans from what they did. Exactly?

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Is that a flag of stuff? While you why are
you laughing at that? Because uh, I won't even hear
why you look why you found that?

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Because I don't know. They didn't sell us out. They
didn't They didn't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
They didn't know.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
What happens is we've been sold out by the four flocks,
and unfortunately in the black and Latino community, it's like
when you watch a bunch of kids playing.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
With the ball and the kid goes my ball. You
can't play with it my ball. But daddy thought he
was the only person that could make a dollar. The
whole entire industry wanted every dollar you could think of.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Right, A couple of other guys wanted every single dollar
you could think of. So it wasn't like each one
teach one. It was like, yo, play the Rubik's Q
to you fucking crack the colde. So no one to
this day, no one told me you can get a

(44:39):
dollar like this.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
It's definitely not a game that passes on Intel.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
But there's people who knew it. Though there's no there's people,
and I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots up offer
nobody like that. Somebody like, no, I didn't mean that.
I did not mean that. What I'm trying to tell
you is I didn't mean it in that way. What
I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king.
Everybody wanted to be like a king, and they wouldn't

(45:08):
tell you.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
So we going like this. I said this with.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Before Puffers ever be in trouble, and he's a big
inspiration to me. So you know, but I'm in my
video with bottles of fucking sarat. I'm wearing Sean John,
I'm wearing this. I don't know what the fuck going on.
Next thing I know he's selling these ships for a
billion dollars and so we influencing the streets. They looking

(45:35):
and they're like, oh, we need to get that sweatsuit.
We need to drink that sarack. We need to They
fucking named the whole Coco Loso after fucking fabulous.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I don't think he ever got a dollar. Huh.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
I wrote the bigeon.

Speaker 9 (45:50):
Look we're not here pointing that puff right. What I
am saying, hold on you is you wrote the bena.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I sat down. Yeah, he wrote everything. He wrote everything,
but let me explain said he wrote his part?

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I wrote my party.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe,
who I don't think but I know is highly intelligent.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
It is Russell Simmons. And I used to add him
when I was young. I'd be like, Yo, why we
ain't got no black distribution? Why we ain't pressing bain
or no lie? He was like, Joe, you really don't
want to be asking that question. This is the guy
who wants to say that's what I was asking about.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Inn I l no, but never giving it, never get
to the bottom.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
But he'll tell you you don't.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Don't even ask that ship. I'd be like, yo, what
do you mean?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
He is the reason why nobody got the ship.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
They don't want nobody to get that ship, and this,
and then you heard about people trying to make moves
like that and they always got in trouble with the
law or some scandal came out.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
You know, they they scandaling, mother fuck us forever. You
talked about somebody we knew in the back in basketball,
maybe scandaling niggas forever, Like Okay, you're getting too loose,
wacko jacko.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
So yeah, So that as a question that I have
for both of you, gentlemen, because there's a dope Bart
that I love. You know, dead rappers get better promotion
in my life, right, So I want to ask you
with Big and you with pun because like, those are
two of my favorite artists that rest in peace aren't

(47:35):
here anymore? Like what did you when I'm gonna start
with you kiss like see and Big when he was alive?
And what disappointed you about how he was projected after
he died, because that's your line.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
But I saw when he was alive was a good
guy that took care of a lot of people, very
human Maris unlike the stuff man Crack just said. He
did put myself and my brothers onto all of the
howers that beat in the discrepancies And what to look
for from Diddy and how he was gonna be and

(48:15):
this and that and you know, I mean, how to
be an artist and how to conduct yourself things like that.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
That's what I was able to learn from him my
time being able to spend with him.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
After he passed. It's kind of I got that line
kind of off him in Punch.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Buff was able to sell ten million offen No Way
Out album after the.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Pass and the big I've seen a lot of people
just claim to be cooler with them than they were.
One of the things I don't like. One of the
things I don't like is through all of the shrew
all of the.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Whateverlits and shit and gis, people don't have the relationship
with his kids. It beat so called everybody was big
man and this and that, and didn't those kids numbing?
They never spoke through his kids. They don't got kids birthday,
they don't. So that's frock and shit right there. But

(49:13):
it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry.
It's a lot of smoking mirrors.

Speaker 10 (49:18):
And when you come across from good people that do
good business and you're able to have a relationship outside
of the music business, stay tight with them, and everybody else.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Fuck what about you?

Speaker 11 (49:32):
Joe Big pun Puny complicated.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
After he died, there was no more money, So it
wasn't like I never made a dollar from here he passed.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Really that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Really never made a dollar. One of the dopest themselves.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Yeah, but you know what happens is I just seen
and I want to quote this right, but I breezed through,
but I knew what he was saying. I just saw
an interview with French Montana said he sold sixty five
million records.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
That still don't got to ore you to. This ship
is raping you records. It's raping you, rape me, you
rape me. No, this ship we'll be raping you, raping you.
Were this shit here, sixty five million records. That's what
French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you
is the only correct correct. It's actually worked.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
It's like college, you guys out, It's the college of
the guys. This ship, you know, like I got an
album to me, it's a big deal. It sold two
million records on Atlantic Records. And it's twenty something years

(50:50):
that I never see a fucking dollars from this album,
Like to this day, but I learned the business, and
I've been independent from maybe seven fteen years. And now
if I sell, if I put out an album Isel
one hundred thousand record, I make a couple of million.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
So you got to educate yourself and figure it out.
You know what, I man, who is that George Bush?
Something happened to me, Shame on me. Something happened again
for me once for me two times, Shame on me.
That's on you if you get jerked one time and
you ain't learning from the process. Because everything in life,

(51:32):
if you get taken advantage of financially, we're gonna have
a due to your skills. I'm gonna be a Harvard student.
Let me think something to you. And so you got
to learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life.
And I've always been good with that. Meaning like, I

(51:54):
got a big brother that I looked up to that
was a billion times smarter than me, but.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
He fucked us on life up using drugs. So I
never used drugs. So I have to see you. You know,
I grew up in the family of gambling Hollys. We
ain't had shit, Nord.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
I remember we I used to be sitting on the
fucking floor, the projects. I'm laying on the floor and
watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunts, my uncles, they
playing the number, they betting, they lax and everything right,
and then one day my mother hits, and the number.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
What's the matter? My mother hits. Listen, my mother hits
and she might have made four hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
And you only hit the number once every like year,
you playing every day, one hundred hours.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
She gotta tip the lady. She played the number with
the whole family, waiting for ten, twenty dollars all away.
Before you know it, she won forty.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Dollars back up the eight. She spent the skin. You
fucking with me.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
I did the numbers and the knowledge, and I knew
these people are suckers.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I'm not gonna do that. And so now they booked
me all the time in Vegas, right, and they hoping you.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
Like a dopeen So in any other place here we're
doing this little event, they walked me int no, no,
it's huge, but they walked me in through the back.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
Anywhere I go, if I do a stadium show, they
walking me through the back, club, walking me through the back.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Vega's the only place they walked me to my show
in the casino. Do the fucking tables. They want me,
they want me to catch that dop team.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there and I'm betting
all this shit they just gave me back in that
table with yourself good luck. I'd be boy the table
skippy do that skippy day where the free food at
like o fake Gizzie.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
You got me. But that's yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's
but but that's you. That's your point. That's residual income
for you. Man. You've been throwing up flags at me
for that glizzy talk. But that's to your point.

Speaker 7 (54:20):
It's like when you grow up in the hood, you
get so stuck in the pain for what happened that
you can't see the things that could be better.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Right. So like for me, it wasn't easy, but it
wasn't hard, right.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
So like even in my book I talk about like
you always asked me about my relationship with my father,
and my father's.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Here, so like our dad he was throwing.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
With me. I always like to learn, so like all
the stuff, all the stuff he'd been through, you know,
when I was young, our relationship was like up and
down because he went to jail and stuff like that
and things that happened. You know, me not being a
man at that time, you know, you look at him,
blame him for what's going on, right, and then then
the eleventh grade you have a son, and then it

(55:05):
changed your life and then you figure.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
It like eleventh grade.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
Yeah, so it's like it's not always it's not always
his fault because he was going through stuff, and he
was going through his own stuff and trying to figure
out his own stuff. And then while he was in jail,
finish college and all that stuff. And now you know,
as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends,
you know, because he treat my kids and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
But what he don't know is is like all the
stuff he went through was the example for me not
to go through.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
So through through his pain and his trials and tribulation,
it made me successful as a person, made me not
feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and
just always get up and like, you know, next day
gonna be better, you know what.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I'm saying, and just push push that to the limit.
So that's why I always try to pay it forward.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
And like I said, you know, I know, we hear
you know on y'all podcast, which is amazing podcast. We're
here Jermian Rolls podcast, No No No, and we're here
to talk about the McDonald's American Game. And that was
like one of my first stepping stone to the NBA
because I looked at Jell and Rolls and the people
before me. I was like, man, the dudes that make

(56:15):
it to the McDonald's or American Game go to the NBA,
and you.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Know all the stuff my father went through.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
I was just like, like I said, the one thing
he did always teach me, you know, being a fitherser
and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Always have discipline.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I always have knowledge yourself, right, So I had knowledge
yourself since.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Ye crack came.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I lot.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Look at it, so I always I always.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
Had knowledge yourself since I was young, and I was
always proud to be black, right. So that's why when
I went to Hall of it was so impactful because
it was the Pollo, the one hundred twenty fifth Street,
Jada kissingon was always at the mark five.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
Even though they was my age, they was doing something
I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff
like that. So it was always like mad love and
mutual respect for them because it was just like, man,
these dudes are gonna blow up. I didn't know how
they was gonna blow but I'm like, man, these dudes
in the hood smashing, you know, whether it was him
made's Kim, And so as me going forward, I was like, Okay,

(57:22):
my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's for America.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
So that's why I was just pressed because I was like,
if I could make that, then my odds to go up, right.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
And I remember when I got the call over the
loud speaker because that's when and at this point, you
didn't take the same position from the same city, right,
So I already knew Steph was gonna be McDonald's America.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Step was the best.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Seventh grade, best eighth grade, best ninth grade. That's tenth grade,
best eleventh grade. So I was like, man, I was like,
it might be impossible. I got work hard because at
that point they didn't take the same position and we
both as point guards. So when I got the call
over the loudspeaker, Steff was like the second person that
told me I made McDonald's America, and That's all I

(58:04):
wanted to do because I wanted to make my father proud.
I wanted to make my father friends. I wanted my
father friends to go tell them like, Yo, this is
your son. You know what I'm saying. So like for me,
through all the childs of teletion, I sing, butther like
I say, like we in the hood and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
I always knew like it could be better. And I
was like, I know what. I didn't know what I
wanted to become. But I said, I know what I
don't want to be.

Speaker 7 (58:28):
And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to
walk up to me like I used to see them
walk up to people. I look up to him, like, man,
he used to be nice. So that's like a big
insult to me. Like when somebody say you used to
be you to talk about it, you know you can't
used to look at that.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Joe like shit, I'm flying right now, right now. Don't
play that for me. I got all my teeth, all
my all my tea, all my teeth. Don't play that.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's been a life. People get runs and then they
played that and they remember they used to this.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
Not me.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
You wanted to cast it. I'm gonna have.

Speaker 7 (59:08):
So that's why I'm proud to be a McDonald's All
American because to this day, those are my brothers, Like
Steph KG, Vince Carter pull up his you know, probably
the same jail. I could speak to his class like,
those are my brothers, like when I see them as
a god.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
A question for y'all brought it up. It was the
Joe and Jadi show. I Love you.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Paul Peers thinks that if he was in his prime,
it would be no Lebron James.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, but that's just the rivalry. Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
He doesn't raise like I went to bed one night.
I went to bed one night. He was like, Michael
Jordan is nothing. I'm gonna crush him.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Please, that's no, no, no, no, no, no no. Let
me let me say this. This as a favorite in
the Underdog, Yes, sir, you want to good question. This
is a dandy book.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Good.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Paul Pierce thinks, and if he was in his prime,
it would be no Lebron James. Case in point or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
He says.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
He made Lebron James team up with d Wade to
them and go down to Miami because they won them
two chips in the world he said, I was past
my prime and I forced him to go down to
Miami and play with them because we had the game
all smash so honest smashes all right, So y'all host

(01:00:42):
school for myself, but I'm fast because of that. Can
y'all both answer it as honest as possible? I'll start
with you, sham God. Do you think that Paul Piers,
if he's at his prime, Lebron James Dog got to
wait six years for a chip or something.

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
Nah, that's why through the flag because you know Paul
is want McDonald's American guy, and that's my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
But the reason why.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
Lebron went to Miami is because Kevin Garnett and Ray
Allen came to Boston. If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen
don't come to Boston, then Paul Pis never get a
ring and there's no reason for Lebron to go anywhere.
So when he say Lebron went and team Dugan somebody,
it's not that he went a team double Spike, but
somebody came and teamed up with him for him to

(01:01:28):
win a ring. So you gotta have the same grace
for the next man that goes somewhere else, listen what
you think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
One of my favorite verses came from Big and that's like,
as I look at you, gentlemen, it literally just came
to me when he was like, do you sling crack rock?
Or you got a wicked jump shot? Because we idolized
what you guys do and many artists wish they hooped,
like Jada kiss was literally just talking like I wanted

(01:01:56):
to hoop, but like I ain't get the offers that
I want, or Cam talk about it. I've heard multiple
people talk about it. But to your question, Paul literally
said he was past his front, so therefore nothing stopping Lebron.
At that time, the Pistons were a couple of years
older and like Lebron is his gold stat he earned that,

(01:02:22):
not better than Michael dordon no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
No, but he's go status. I can't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
What you think, Jada Kissing, you always make a funny
wite When you heard that and you squinted.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
He said, they both said that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think you're a liar, and deep down the side
in your heart, you think Lebron's better than Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I think, so conversation come up. Who the fuck is he?
He always give me a twitch.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
I'm mj forever. He's very smart, very calculated man. But
your fucking you know, like you know, like that cop interrogation,
you did it? Do you at the bottle in his store?
You had the fucking bottle in his store.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
So as somebody that played against Michael Jordan's play against
Kobe Plait against Lebron, I'll just tell you, guys something,
there's nobody better than Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Let's talk slow to him. I want to be very clear.
You're with us now, huh? And Rich pauling it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
He's like, there's a reason why you're wearing his shoes
and he ain't played in thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I agree, there's an actual reason.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Just think about this, and I know the cool kids
say pause now, So I thought it out, But this
gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think
about You can't walk from this stage to the back
with your tongue.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Out without biting your tongue. Just think about that. So
Jordan revncing the wrong man. So you're wearing his shoes
preaching to the converted. I'm telling you why you're wearing
his shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
It's not just because he won the Championships, like Jordan
had that sexy that fly, he showed up with the Blazer, had.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
The Ferrari, parked it in the arena, played with his
tongue hanging out like like this. This is iconic.

Speaker 12 (01:04:15):
Part two to your answer. This is why I say
Kobe Bryance the second best water. I was standing there
when he scored eighty one fast, I know. And the
thing is, let me, let me give you no highlights
in that game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Let me give you a hit record.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
And he said, you have four no hit records in
that game. Sat down for the four. That means did
not sit down for the Oh so that wasn't that game, Mas,
that was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
The MAS, sat down the whole four. So we played up.
So here's so I want I want to highlight with me,
not I want to highlight what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Kobe was on the heater that month, like I looked
at the schedule and I'm gonna do a story time
like we wasn't legal then, we was not legal and
are we?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Marijuana was not legal cannabis start.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
It might have been a little bloated trying to pass
the test that night because they were there to test.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
You, making excuses ain't no excuses. Kobe's my that's my
little brother.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Like, if you google right now, who was Kobe Bryant's
favorite player when he was in high school? It was me.
If you google that right now, it was me. So
that that's my little brother. I'll never forget. We was
working out of U. C. L A.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
And y'all know this is artists.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
We was working out and doing our thing, and we
felt like, you know, we're gonna go to berk and
Santa Monica and get massages and like rehabilitate and hitting
the scheme and whatever. But what I didn't know his
ass was going back to the gym. He ain't tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
So I was going to LA to kick it. So
we worked out in the morning, you know this coach,
that's why you laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
So like we go work out in the morning and
I'm thinking, like we're done and I'm going I'm doing
the LA thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
His ass went back to the gym and didn't tell
me he did that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Every I got a story for you. I come up
in Jersey, I parked the car in the garage. I'm
going to see my man.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
It's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby,
and you got to take the other elevator to go
to the thirtieth floors up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
You gotta get out in the lobby. I gotta keep
this around me for you sometimes. Okay, it's okay, it's
all right, it's all right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Right. I come out in the lobby, and then thirty
people that live in that building surrounded the front desk,
So of course I go be nosey. I'm like, yo,
what's going on? The security? The doorman is watching the
little black and white TV. It's the finals, So I'm

(01:07:18):
watching the finals. If you ever wonder, one time you
ever seen yo, what with other people thinking? At this moment,
I happen to be there by mistake, with thirty people
watching the basketball finals.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
So I go over there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Everybody's watching, Asian people, white people's fan like everybody. The
whole lobby is ran pat watching this little TV. They
down two points, right, the Lakers are down two points.
The other team got the ball, so they're about to
throw the ball at Kobe jumps over, something hits the guy.

(01:07:53):
The ball hits the guy and goes throw a whole
thirty people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
A body's crying. I'm like, they're still down to they
got the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Why are you crying at this point, guys? Because you
knew that motherfucker was gonna curl and hit that three
in your face. That ball got checked in, he did
the curl and shot that three, and they fucking faced
the whole thirty people knew exactly what was gonna happen
with Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
And this is why I say he's the second best.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
And this is why I say right, So, like what
people understand is it goes back to like what Kiss
was talking about with Big right when his untimely demis
is like when I see people act like they were
more cooler with him than they were, it like bothers
me to this day because like Kobe first came back

(01:08:49):
from overseas small circle, I'm the first person.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
That he met. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
We played ABCD together and his father, I was dribbling
and stuff and his father was like, Yo, can you
teach mysel know how to dribble?

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
He was like, and this is not me talking.

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
Because I ain't talk about it in twenty years. Kobe
said it retirement. So Kobe said it out of his
mouth and he was like yeah. He was like, so
when I first when I first met him. His father
was like, hey, can you teach him how to dribble?
He was like, my son got everything, but he really
can't dribble. And I was like, we your son. And
we had a game that night and ABCD and this

(01:09:26):
dude like shooting gum walking like Jordan's talking like Jordan uh.
And at this time I just made make Donalds American.
I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, yo,
who the fuck is this shooting the ball? This is
supposed to be my team right now? And we in Jersey,
so I'm like I'm home, like this is my joint.
And his father was like, you know, he's just learning here, Junior.

(01:09:50):
This at this time, Tim Thomas is the guard, like
number one playing in the Country's nobody touching Tim Thomas.
So then Cole was coming in to prow points. So
I'm like, all right, you know, I get up every
morning to work out. I do this, I do my
own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right,
we're talking you. I'm there, and I'm smart as I'm like,
oh yeah, I'll be there five in the morning. No one,

(01:10:12):
I ain't gonna be there five in the morning. So
I get there like seven. He full sweated already like,
oh what he actually came. He came, He's just working out.
He's not mad that I came. Two hours later.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
He's like, what's up? What we doing? What we're doing?
What we're working on? So I'm showing them how.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
To cross over, do all this stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:10:31):
And at this point he like a sponge, right, So
he just learned all this stuff and I'll never forget,
like his first year in the NBA. If you my
first year NBA, if you look on highlight when he
dunked on Ben Wallace. I'm right here on the baseline
next to Ben Wallace and I'm telling Ben, like, yo,
he gonna right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
The left cross. I showed him He's gonna right the
left cross.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
So then he crosses, come down laying the dunks on
Ben Wallace and he's like and at this point, you know,
when you're ABC and you young, all the kids are like,
you know, not hating on them, but you know how
we teach. People were like, oh, you think you Jordan's
you think this?

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You think that? And he was like, what we be
better than Jordan? Are you crazy?

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
He was like, Jordan's shoot one thousand jump shots. I'm
shooting two thousand, mates, So you got to think at
fifty percent, he's just shot four.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Thousand, right a day. Not this, This is this is drive.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
So like when he get in the NBA and they
start calling him showtime and him in shock, all these
people beefing and all that, he was already so mute
to it. Whereas Cob used to get on the bus
with headphones on with no music just so he can
hear people talk about him. Right, this is how vicious
he was. So like when people talk about him, it's

(01:11:43):
kind of like for me, it's personal.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
It's like the thing with.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
Steph, Like I seen him at that age, like where
he was shooting, like you said the discipline, he was
shooting two thousand jump shots. Back then he wanted to
play against jail and Rhodes and Jerry stackhousing him in
high school. Back then, I was like, no, I'm the guy, Like,
don't compare me to this person that person. So like

(01:12:06):
that right there made me and him to like to
a twenty five year relationship to where under his timely demids,
I was training his daughter. Right, so I have a
picture in my house where it is me his daughter,
the other two girls. I have a picture of myles
right now. Everybody, everybody in the picture is dead but
me today was on the plane right. So it's like

(01:12:27):
and the crazy thing about what his daughter was. He
flies me to La. He's like, he called me. He's
the only person could do it. He called me. He's like, hey,
I need you to train my daughter how to dribble.
And this time I'm working with the Maths story. I'm
working with the Maths. The kids know this story sign.
I'm with the Maths. He like, Yo, I'm gonna fly
you to LA. I want you to work my daughter
out hundred girls And I'm like, what girls. He's like,

(01:12:49):
my girls team, I got like four of them. They
gonna go to u Konin't Gray.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I'm like what.

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
He's like, yeah, I get there. He's like, hey, we're
going to start practicing at six in the morning. He said,
we're gonna do six eight. We're gonna do six, eight
and twelve. So I was like, you want them to
work out six hours and he was like yeah. He
was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh,
they can't dribble six hours, bro. He's like, no, we're

(01:13:17):
gonna do two hours at a time. I just want
them dribbling. I go there, I start working with his daughter.
She's just like him, what you got, coach? What you
got coach?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Now that all the parents is there watching me train him.
Eight o'clock, Come coach, just dropped the ball. Take his
door to walk out. Come back.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
I'm like, you know, we're gonna do some shooting. Or
he's like, nah, I just want them dribbler. I'll take
care of the shooting. Just want them dribbling. She's like,
what we got? And I'm like, cold, they can't do
this the whole week, bro, And she was like every
day I walked in there, coach, what we got?

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
We got more? Old coach. Look, I learned this from earlier.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
So that's why when when all this stuff happened, it
was just so like like u'surreal for me because I
meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know cold,
this cold My god is that they don't even know,
don't even they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Actually introduced them to his system.

Speaker 7 (01:14:12):
So it's kind of like a kids said, like you're
saying you know somebody, somebody your best friend or your
mentor how you don't know their sister, right, And I
just saw his sister like a month ago, and she
was just like, it's so crazy. How when we was
in high school, my brother used to come to the
house and be like, Yo, this the move.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Sham God be doing this. The move sham God be.

Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
Doing So like for me, it's like, like I said,
it's no better feeling, Like all the stuff I went through,
you know, going to the NBA, not finishing whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
It's like God just had a bigger plan for me.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
Right, And when I was young, the only thing I
wanted to do is inspire people. I wasn't thinking about
being rich. I woudn't think about that because because to
Joe's credit, to like jay Z's, to the rich porters
of the world and all that, that's all I got
from Harlem was inspiration. So that's the only thing I
knew that was concrete, right, is the inspired people. So
when the things happen, like with Cob and the people

(01:15:09):
that was put in my life, to even being on
this podcast right now, to the Mark Cubans of the world,
to being a part of rock Nation and stuff like that,
it's like, there's no better feeling for me. Right, So
it's like everything I asked for, I always say I've
got So that's why I'm like real big on being
spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me,

(01:15:30):
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
And that's crazy because like and by the way, shout to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
All of the McDonald's all high School, all America.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yes, sir, that's why we're here, Yes sir. And shout
to Rock Nation yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Joe and Jada, Yes sir, favorite show and family, and
shout to you sham because us. One of the things
that it's overlooked about, like this union is like the
level of respect be half of each other and how

(01:16:16):
hard it is to be fat Joe and Jada kiss
and gosh. I don't want to get too preachy or
like too therapy or whatever, but like you gentlemen, are
success stories, yes, and what ends up happening in our
community ends up happening with you know, notable figures. Sometimes

(01:16:42):
we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who
they are. That's that's a real thing. Like Jada Kiss,
I know this human being has overcome some stuff. It's
fat Joe, and he acts like is because this crack
where he stood up it overcomes the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Right, God sham, God has literally overcomes his stuff. And
the beauty of this audience and the beauty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Of this opportunity is to like inspire people. And that's
really what we want to do, to serve when you
make music. I hear you talk about this all of
the time. You got so many hit records.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
We got inspired the people, And I just want to
go back because they twist out your word. Shout out
the Diddy. I ain't throw no shot because you know
how they twist your ship.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
We're not. We're not gonna get fighting down. He's with
my guys in jail. So it was really really good down.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Shout out to the soldiers and four dicks down?

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
What would you be? And those way more vehicles on
on the street. Where was y'all be? Where? I want
everybody this? Where would you be? Instagram?

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Instagram back came out? Where would you be if you
had Instagram? And I'd lean back for first.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Of all, being be in jail. We didn't have a wife.
Oh I say, they fucked me up. That be the
worst day from me to be the worst day from
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Financially, I'd have been liked busito, like Man, that shit
would have been over a billion serves that lean back
in the instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Imagine everybody you would have seen churches.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
Yeah, that was the most fat friendly dance you ever
seen in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Facts, that ship would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Out of here?

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
How did how did lean back happen? Man?

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
They keep telling us we gotta go really quick. That
Jamaicans was killing the game. So they had signal to
play away. Underran a running man, you know, and that ship.
So when we came up with the beat, me and
Scott Storch, we in college studio and I was like, Yo,

(01:19:12):
this ship gotta be a simple hook.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
And they didn't. We didn't know yet stuff we know now.
We didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
But I knew that I had to make a simple
hook that even a little kid could sing. And we
spitting all type of I don't give a fuck about
all life, and I just say yo, and they be
looking at me like crack.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
What you think I'll say?

Speaker 9 (01:19:34):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
My people don't thanks. We just full up our fens,
do the rocklean, lean back, I lean and it's like
that ship and it was out of here. We re
beeaated it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
And that's how I learned how to make it hits,
like make it rain, and you know, like even when
if you think R and B, let me get real quick, well,
when you got records where they're like they tell you
that ain't it yet? Like when the when when the
R and B singers are blowing to the point of
we can't even mimic it, and like that's not a hit.

(01:20:12):
It gotta be something that we could sing along to
even though we can't sing, you know, you know, like
it's hard to sing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Hen I M tell I'm not yo hey. Before wrapping up,
who had the best McDonald's American class?

Speaker 7 (01:20:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Also? Shot Rock Nation? Shot Donalds All American? Yes, get
your fried?

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
What extra?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
No, No, no, it's ninety six ninety five? Is the
best McDonalds of America?

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Who's ninety five?

Speaker 7 (01:20:44):
I might have been Northfolk, God, Sham God, Stephan Marlbury,
Paul fizz, Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter, Kevin Garne, the Tractor Trailer,
Chris Klak, Chauncey, Billups, Louis Block. What's ninety six NAT
ninety six is Jermaine O'Neill, Kobe Bryant, No, no, Steve

(01:21:08):
that that's the drive you're talking about? The drive talking
about the high school down American Jermaine O'Neill, Stack Jack,
Rip Hamilton that next year, Yeah, that's the next year,
Rip Hamilton, Holloway. We are arguably the best dunker ever.

(01:21:28):
We are arguably one of the best dribblers ever met
dunk you have. You had Stephen Marbury, culture changer. You
had Kevin Garnett that changed the whole algorithm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
You had Chauncey Billups big shot. You had Tractor Trailer
bear rest in peace. You had Paul Piers Ron Mercer. Yeah, bro,
he answer the question.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
This ain't that? And that ain't this?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
His cracking kiss God damn makes some noise for this
Sam God.

Speaker 7 (01:22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
So McDonald's all American, that dot Yes, this hip stepping
that got three McDonald's all the Merrians.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
New York.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
We got the rat list twins and we got one
ball go they going to us he goes, and the
other dude is going to Michigan State.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
So I did I need to ask one question on
the walk up because I need.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
To take the old man sky Rizzy.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
You know they ain't even I looked it up. That
ain't even for when you got a piss you'll be
saying shop for no reason?

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yo, flag on the play. So I got a quick
I got a question for both the y'all. Let me
ask my question. Got to use the bath. Who's the best?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
You're jacking the spot. You talk to me crazy with
the media. But what the out out here? Put the
dad the fab five? You don't joy? He tried to
act like his name came from his crack. He did.
I cannot believe you want a simple question. Who is

(01:23:13):
the best? Who is the best female basketball player? Right now?

Speaker 13 (01:23:18):
Cannas Parker Right, I'm saying around as wil Korea A Wilson,
Asia Wilson, As Wilson, going, Caitlin Clark, Asia Wi Wilson,
Asia Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
You gotta go on, Juju Watson, Now you gotta sit this,
gotta sit this one out. Dog. I love Asian Wilson,
all right, hold on, I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
I love you so much that I'm not the light
skin girl, the pretty well. I don't give it. I
don't girl. What's the name you don't want to talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
I get PTSD as you your question? No, So when
I'm telling you who's the light skin?

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
No, Juju, she's gonna take all of she taking the
ball out j from l A, Juju from l A.
She's gonna take Juju. Watkins is gonna take all of
the mouse. I'm telling you, the white girl.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
What's the what?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
What's the light skinned girl?

Speaker 14 (01:24:18):
She she played like mellow feast, Feast feast the dead Knights,
but that it's just the best.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice? You
ask you who the best? Is the best?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
You know, play Asian Wilson right now, there's not that's
the fact. There's not what's all right for clickbait, for
clickbait because that I take an old man Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
So come here, Joe, I got a classic com here.
I love you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Come here, Joe, because I gotta I got a seat
for the crowd.

Speaker 11 (01:24:58):
So like these are like legendary figures the bathroom, So
that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Don't use to say the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. Because I
always wanted to know this because like I'm a detrader, and.

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
Like blade Icewood was our king and then he and
he died, you know, very young.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hustle I saw
this happen with multiple artists who like died before they
were able to like, in my opinion, like really killed
the game correct. Big l is another.

Speaker 11 (01:25:45):
So I want to ask Jada kiss in front of y'all,
and I want y'all, I want you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
To give you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I'm gonna give you a second to think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Your favorite Biggie verse because I was thinking about this
on the way here. I have like like nineteen thousand
my favorite Jada Kids verses. So I know this is
gonna be a tough question for you. Something that he said,

(01:26:15):
something that touched your soul, something that's song for you.
It's a story guy with Tracy Leap Oh yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Rings and things you're thinking about bring about. So I said, yeah,
what's up, Veryrell with Yes, I.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
Got a I got a new mouth to feet do
stuff with kys. Y'all, pick sees out, yall, weed watch.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Motherfucking please, it's my block and my rock, fuck that
hip hop, the one tools and you don't stop me
and my man last to kimm in season feed or
ten or pounds of weed, plants, brants, and now we
lamp in twelve room mansions getting that get off, get money,

(01:27:01):
play his anthem, all the all the ship niggas can
be counting it, Robin come naturally and then l a
fucking rapidly casting gat to me.

Speaker 7 (01:27:15):
Tom bolle be, Thank y'all, Thank y'all for coming definite.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
You don't gotta go home, you gotta get got it,
AND's all. That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I want to ask the same question of that, Joe.
And by the way, I got a discovery, Joe, you're
not fat anymore? Did you were doing? I spent all
my money. I got my brother Terry in the building,
got yo. I was gonna bring you up, Jason Terry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Did Jet make some noise in the championship?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
So Jon Terry Dallas African, you know, godesistant coach.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
So I went on for life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
So I want to ask the same question as Joey
that thinks we call him crack because he was in
third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the
back of his ass and he wanted to sell that
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
I love you very much, thank you. We don't. We
don't call you crack because of that. So you know,
we call you crack because of what is the question? Jay?
The question is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Your favorite big pun verse, Oh the middle, harsh realities
of life, to take the toll leaving jeez Christ to
shake my soul.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
You ain't the killer.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Still learning how to walk from New York to Cali
or my real niggas Captain Shaw walk you to death.
Don't even talk that he's the West Crack from Roster
left Rack. We still big pun. That still ain't a killer.
It's crazy. Rest in peace, that's my favorite big punch
on lovebody.

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
Else will just say get in the middle of a
little right that guys, God was crazy here. He wrote
records in his sleep. True story. He wrote records and
he would nine out. He had that ship where you
full of sleep styles due so as the ghost man.

Speaker 8 (01:29:21):
He go to he put the beat on, go to sleep,
wake up out on that styles, turn on the beat.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Turned all the lights off, the electricity in there, everything.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
He wake up and he got the whole song. That's
the craziest ship ever. I thought Pun was like one
to full asleep, wake up and be like, yo, give
me the book.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
Start writing a whole song that he heard in his sleep,
and I'll be like, damn not. Not even was beyond
talented and gifted and even though I discovered Pun, he
taught me so much. That's why I you know, the
whole game. When Big Pun passed because he was so
much better than me, they thought it was over for

(01:30:01):
Fat Joe counted them out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
What No, everybody, my best friends, they didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I went to the school of Big Putt. He taught
me how to write, He taught me how.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
To thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
They I gotta go, y'all, listen, everybody showing Jada sport
love love love love.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Sham God, Joe Kelly, sham God, Joe Kelly, what's up?

Speaker 9 (01:30:30):
Teach your son the sham guy, McDonald's Americans, teach your
father the sham.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Yes, shout out McDonald's on Americans. All the McDonald's all
change a bunch of lives.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
And I gotta say this because it's a McDonald's All
American event.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
And I didn't say this, but I want to say this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
As a basketball player, when you realize that you're going
to the McDonald's game, Oh that's the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
To realize you going to the league.

Speaker 15 (01:30:55):
Yes, you got a shot, right, And I remember they
used to give me those cards. Get Chicken McNuggets. We
are you making mckdogs over here. I ate that the
whole year, so love.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Thank you for pulling up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Thank you

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Crime Junkie

Betrayal Season 5

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Crime Junkie

Betrayal Season 5

All Episodes

Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

Stuff You Should Know