March 31, 2026 • 15 mins
Can you just stop trying to get attention for totally normal stuff? PLUS: Daryl Hannah on Love Story
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What does the term girl dad mean saying I'm a
dad of a girl, like very rarely or someone else
will say about me like you're a single mom, and
like I cringe a little, just because like the labels,
it's the labels that I don't like in life, like
the labels about things that people sort of want attention about.
So everyone who is a single mom should be applauded.
(00:33):
And there are women who are single moms of four
kids and working two jobs, and like that needs to
be applauded. It is not me cowtowing or pandering or anything.
Being a mother is the hardest job. I don't know
why that sounds when people say it like it's bullshit
(00:54):
and like we need more movies like we had when
I was growing up, like mister Mom, when Michael Keaton
did her job for a minute and it was about
the laundry and all that stuff. But that, to me,
is not the hardest part about being a mom. The
hardest part about being a mom is just the gut,
the decisions, and when you're dealing with an emotional issue,
(01:14):
if a kid has a breakup or a medical situation
or a mental situation or a substance situation or a
bad influenced situation, or like it's not about like the
cut and dry like laundry and things like that. However,
for a mom, trying to do all the emotional mental
and then have to do all the physical tasks of
the house and the costumes and the lunches, like it
(01:35):
is the fucking hardest job ever. I've met so many
men that really want me to know that, like they
have full custody of their kids, when women don't get
the same kind of credit if they have full custody
of their kids and they're working. Okay, but these labels
sometimes it's like do you want a cookie? Like I've
told you before when you're dating men, I'm a very
(01:55):
involved dad. I'm like congratuate fucking relations, like do you
want cookie? Like women don't say I'm a very involved mom.
They just don't say that. So the dad who does
the braiding, the cooking, the costumes likes being a girly dad,
and I don't know what, I have no problem with
that from a gender sexuality, gender roles perspective, like, I great,
(02:20):
you want to be a dad that like does your
daughter's pigtails and does all of the traditional mom things
like great, I don't have an opinion on that, like great,
do what you want to do. I don't like when
people have to like get attention by labeling themselves with
these things. I'm a girl, dad, No one can shut up.
I don't know. Why do you know any more than
like women and yes there's a glass ceiling, and yes
(02:43):
it's harder to be a woman at work, and yes
it's much harder to be a black woman at work,
or an Asian woman or Latina woman. Yes, all of
these things are major. But when a woman just wants
to constantly label herself as a woman in the workplace,
I feel that, like I don't think that it actually helps.
(03:05):
It reminds people that you're a woman in the workplace,
and it's like you're asking for something, Like every time
I've asked at an appearance, and how has it been
for you being a success as a woman, and I've
been like, I just went hard. I don't I never thought, oh,
as a woman, I'm doing this, and I don't think
about as a single mom. I'm doing this and I
(03:27):
didn't you know any more than someone thinks about a
dad who says I'm a very involved dad. Like I
don't know why, but like certain like labels like that
cringe me girl dad, very involved dad. I'm just like, okay, okay, again,
people have to label everything they do. Well. I am
really into working out and eating clean, okay, like most
(03:48):
people aren't. Like I'm a fucking dumpster. I live on
Cheetos and bourbon, and many people do live on that.
But we're not like making these proclamations. It's just like
everyone's trying to do the best they can. And I
don't like when people just trying to get like extra
attention for things that Okay, be girl, dad, boy, dad,
single mom, whatever you want to be, you be, But
(04:09):
we don't need to label everything. I think being a
mom is the hardest job in the world, and I
feel like a fraud saying it because I have one
child and I always have had assistance. I never really
I've had housekeepers. I've had drivers, they've helped me out.
That's been like a village I have never really had.
I had a baby nurse, but then I didn't have
(04:30):
really uh a nanny because I was always was with
my daughter to a fault. It was like some version
of trauma from someone who was like mind controlling me,
and it was also some sort of reaction to my
own childhood. But I will say that the decisions that
a mom has to make emotionally, physically, spiritually, educationally medically
(04:55):
like for a child and not know if they're doing
the right thing the wrong thing, like just trying to
try every key on the ring is so hard. And
I can't imagine having more kids. I guess if you
have more kids, the older kids can help the younger kids.
You have more help in a community. Maybe if you
have more kids, but you come from a big family
than your sister, your brother, like, you have a bigger
(05:16):
unit helping you, and I do think that's important, Like
I don't have that. If you have a sister or
a brother, or a niece or nephew or parents, like,
it's more helpful. But I think people raising multiple kids
like deserve rewards. And I really do understand the desire
and need and defense of stay at home moms, like
(05:37):
more than ever, because I remember this one guy who
stood up at a graduation. I think he was an athlete,
and he was talking about stay at home moms and
he was sort of dissing moms that go to work
and I don't think that's right either. Like you can't
dissis stay at home mom, and you can't diss a
mom that goes to work. Neither is doing the right
or wrong thing. I mean, you could be a good
mom and work all day. You could be a bad
(05:58):
mom and be home olled. Like I do understand the
stay at home life. The thing about it is it
locks you up for so many years out of any
version of skill set, workplace marketability. That that's the rub.
But I understand not wanting to miss out on any
of it, wanted to be there. I also understand it
being part of your identity doing the work life balance,
(06:19):
because that is something to be respected and it's something
you might want your kid to see for modeling like
that is totally your choice. But I will say from
a difficulty perspective, work is time consuming and mentally consuming,
it is, And to be very successful is next to impossible.
To be a successful businesswoman is so relentless business person
is so relentless, so difficult, such hard work, so challenging.
(06:42):
Like I'm not pandering, I'm saying it really is. But
to parent and not even I don't even want to
say to be a good parent because I don't even
know exactly. I know what a bad parent is, but
I don't know exactly what a good parent is. I
know other people around me that know me very close,
they think I'm a good parent. I don't know. I
really don't know. I kind of think I suck sometimes.
(07:03):
If I gave myself a grade as a parent, I
think I give myself a B B plus, like compared
to the rest of the world and the way that
some people are raised. Maybe I give myself like an
AA minus. But like I'm not really as far as
like good normal, well adjusted parents. I think I'm getting
a B like maybe A people I don't know. I
(07:24):
also have a teenager. I don't know if a parent
can get an A as a parent as a teenager,
I just don't know. And you just don't know what's
coming out of the oven. There are probably amazing parents
that raise children that have addiction issues. That maybe you
aren't going to be successful, maybe screw around, maybe become
catch potatoes, stoners, you know, just want to marry for
(07:44):
money and want to do nothing, I mean, just be
bad people, rob a bank, murder someone like I have
to believe that there are good people that are good
parents that raise bad people. So you're kind of like
doing the recipe. It's not baking where everything is precise,
because you can't parent like a baking recipe where it's precise.
But you're adding salt, you're adding gar like you're taking
(08:05):
this down, You're doing these steps, you're doing that as
you go. You're like, am I fucking this recipe up?
And you won't know till that shit gets taken out
of the oven. It might be flat, you might have
needed more of something and less of something else. You
don't fucking know. You're just baking as you go. And
you can read a thousand books. Peter A. Ta is
the health expert of the universe. He's everywhere, He's on
top of the world. He's got books and podcasts, CBS Deal,
(08:27):
then he's found on Epstein Island. What okay? So you
can read a thousand books on parenting and all that.
I've never met a perfect parent or a perfect person,
So you don't know what the fuck is going on
that oven. You're just doing the best you can as
you go. So Daryl Hannah has come out and criticized
(08:58):
Love Story and herrayal the way that she's portrayed in
that series, and I validate that. I don't validate every
aspect of it, because I certainly don't know, but I
validate that because the entire show seems like a scripted series,
a fictional scripted series, and the relationship between Carolyn Bessett
(09:19):
and JFK. Junior is portrayed about as accurately as Leonardo
DiCaprio and Kate Winslet represent the entirety of the Titanic.
The Titanic was a groundbreaking ship that was supposed to
be infallible, and it crashed into an iceberg, and many
(09:44):
people died, and there were many people that were of
note on board because it was a very elite journey
and in the top tier passenger list. I'm sure there
were ten thousand stories on that boat. They plucked one
story and sensationalized did and it became the movie. But
I mean, if you've seen all the documentaries about it
(10:05):
and seen all of the interesting history, I mean, you
could fill one hundred books. But those two Hollywood characters
do not exemplify the Titanic anymore than this produced show
illustrates JFK and Carolyn. They were two human beings that
had a relationship, but no one was fully under the hood.
I've known some people that were partially under the hood,
(10:26):
and I've heard stories, and it doesn't seem like it
was portrayed properly at all. And I don't think the
actress seemed like Daryl Hannah who played her by the way,
I will say that, like, I think they did do
her dirty and it just didn't didn't seem the way
that I imagined her. But true or not, I think
the thing is that the younger generation believes that that
(10:48):
is the entirety of that era and that story. It
is a heartbreaking story. One family lost two daughters in
one shot. We as viewers in the summer, waited days
while people searched with no evidence whatsoever, almost as if
they just vanished. It was horrifying. I remember, like it
was yesterday, them trying to find anything, and they finally
(11:11):
found something in the water, but they couldn't find the
black box. It was a nightmare, okay, a nightmare, and
now all these people have to live this again. Stories
are told again and above people, but it's fiction, and
young people are believing it to be true. And now
I think it's weird people like cosplaying their looks and
their outfits. They were human beings that died a terrible death,
(11:31):
and I just there's a lot of it that's kind
of like really exploitative and it's kind of gross, and
people are creepy, weird zombies that want to mimic it.
But by no means is it a representation. There are
literal characters missing from the show, and it's a fictional story,
and you can find many ways into a story, like
(11:52):
if Rose and I forgot his name on the Titanic,
if they were the entry point just to tell about
a ship that crashed into an iceberg. This is just
like a story that's being totally embellished, and the entry
point into ratings and entertainment to an audience is these
two characters, because they were larger than life characters. There
(12:13):
were people I as a kid, my father trained horses
for Barry Schwartz, who was partners with Calvin Klein, and
we used to get to go up to the showroom.
I'd go up with my mother and the showroom wasn't
like that, But like, nothing was like that. It's a
television show. Most things are not what it seems like
they have to make it entertaining. Most moments of people's
(12:35):
lives aren't that exciting, and people aren't just flipping their
hair every second of the day, and icons are not
just walking up to bars without being approached, And a
lot of it's fiction, so take it with a grain
of salt. I think that if Daryl had basically said
okay without betraying the family, which she hasn't spoken out
in years and people do admire that, she could have
(12:55):
just said, like, no, that's not what he liked to eat,
and that's not what the was like, and that's not
you know, he didn't like to go to the park
or whatever, and it would have meant that, like the
whole thing was somewhat discredited. But it must be really
hard to have your life, your name, your relationship out
of nowhere when you've been fairly private and fairly obscure
(13:18):
and like minded your own business. I know where she lives.
I know someone who bought her house from her, so
I've been in her former house. Not that that means
anything or anyone cares. I'm just saying it's in a
very sort of remote, choose to be private area type home.
Like I'm not going to get into more of in
case people don't know where she lives. But like if
she had said like these ten things, people would have
(13:40):
been like, oh wait, the whole thing's fiction. But it
still wouldn't have mattered anyway, because people pick and choose
what they want to believe. If you think that I
or Ramona or I mean, if you think we are
exactly what you see on reality TV, you'd be shocked.
I just saw a couple of housewives and literally, someone
who I've known for decades said, it was so nice
getting to know you this way, someone that I know
(14:01):
and have worked with and spent a lot of time with.
Because it's not an accurate portrayal being on the Housewives.
That does not portray who I am anymore than it
does other people. That's portraying who we are in that
toxic dumpster. So please never forget that. I mean, you're
watching something and be entertained, and if you want to
choose to believe it, great, choose to believe it. But
I validate her wanting to just sort of like clarify
(14:25):
something because she's probably cringing. She did bring more attention
to it, but she is just she just wanted to
get her word in and unfortunately people get exploited. It
just happens sometimes
What does the term girl dad mean saying I'm a
dad of a girl, like very rarely or someone else
will say about me like you're a single mom, and
like I cringe a little, just because like the labels,
it's the labels that I don't like in life, like
the labels about things that people sort of want attention about.
So everyone who is a single mom should be applauded.
(00:33):
And there are women who are single moms of four
kids and working two jobs, and like that needs to
be applauded. It is not me cowtowing or pandering or anything.
Being a mother is the hardest job. I don't know
why that sounds when people say it like it's bullshit
(00:54):
and like we need more movies like we had when
I was growing up, like mister Mom, when Michael Keaton
did her job for a minute and it was about
the laundry and all that stuff. But that, to me,
is not the hardest part about being a mom. The
hardest part about being a mom is just the gut,
the decisions, and when you're dealing with an emotional issue,
(01:14):
if a kid has a breakup or a medical situation
or a mental situation or a substance situation or a
bad influenced situation, or like it's not about like the
cut and dry like laundry and things like that. However,
for a mom, trying to do all the emotional mental
and then have to do all the physical tasks of
the house and the costumes and the lunches, like it
(01:35):
is the fucking hardest job ever. I've met so many
men that really want me to know that, like they
have full custody of their kids, when women don't get
the same kind of credit if they have full custody
of their kids and they're working. Okay, but these labels
sometimes it's like do you want a cookie? Like I've
told you before when you're dating men, I'm a very
(01:55):
involved dad. I'm like congratuate fucking relations, like do you
want cookie? Like women don't say I'm a very involved mom.
They just don't say that. So the dad who does
the braiding, the cooking, the costumes likes being a girly dad,
and I don't know what, I have no problem with
that from a gender sexuality, gender roles perspective, like, I great,
(02:20):
you want to be a dad that like does your
daughter's pigtails and does all of the traditional mom things
like great, I don't have an opinion on that, like great,
do what you want to do. I don't like when
people have to like get attention by labeling themselves with
these things. I'm a girl, dad, No one can shut up.
I don't know. Why do you know any more than
like women and yes there's a glass ceiling, and yes
(02:43):
it's harder to be a woman at work, and yes
it's much harder to be a black woman at work,
or an Asian woman or Latina woman. Yes, all of
these things are major. But when a woman just wants
to constantly label herself as a woman in the workplace,
I feel that, like I don't think that it actually helps.
(03:05):
It reminds people that you're a woman in the workplace,
and it's like you're asking for something, Like every time
I've asked at an appearance, and how has it been
for you being a success as a woman, and I've
been like, I just went hard. I don't I never thought, oh,
as a woman, I'm doing this, and I don't think
about as a single mom. I'm doing this and I
(03:27):
didn't you know any more than someone thinks about a
dad who says I'm a very involved dad. Like I
don't know why, but like certain like labels like that
cringe me girl dad, very involved dad. I'm just like, okay, okay, again,
people have to label everything they do. Well. I am
really into working out and eating clean, okay, like most
(03:48):
people aren't. Like I'm a fucking dumpster. I live on
Cheetos and bourbon, and many people do live on that.
But we're not like making these proclamations. It's just like
everyone's trying to do the best they can. And I
don't like when people just trying to get like extra
attention for things that Okay, be girl, dad, boy, dad,
single mom, whatever you want to be, you be, But
(04:09):
we don't need to label everything. I think being a
mom is the hardest job in the world, and I
feel like a fraud saying it because I have one
child and I always have had assistance. I never really
I've had housekeepers. I've had drivers, they've helped me out.
That's been like a village I have never really had.
I had a baby nurse, but then I didn't have
(04:30):
really uh a nanny because I was always was with
my daughter to a fault. It was like some version
of trauma from someone who was like mind controlling me,
and it was also some sort of reaction to my
own childhood. But I will say that the decisions that
a mom has to make emotionally, physically, spiritually, educationally medically
(04:55):
like for a child and not know if they're doing
the right thing the wrong thing, like just trying to
try every key on the ring is so hard. And
I can't imagine having more kids. I guess if you
have more kids, the older kids can help the younger kids.
You have more help in a community. Maybe if you
have more kids, but you come from a big family
than your sister, your brother, like, you have a bigger
(05:16):
unit helping you, and I do think that's important, Like
I don't have that. If you have a sister or
a brother, or a niece or nephew or parents, like,
it's more helpful. But I think people raising multiple kids
like deserve rewards. And I really do understand the desire
and need and defense of stay at home moms, like
(05:37):
more than ever, because I remember this one guy who
stood up at a graduation. I think he was an athlete,
and he was talking about stay at home moms and
he was sort of dissing moms that go to work
and I don't think that's right either. Like you can't
dissis stay at home mom, and you can't diss a
mom that goes to work. Neither is doing the right
or wrong thing. I mean, you could be a good
mom and work all day. You could be a bad
(05:58):
mom and be home olled. Like I do understand the
stay at home life. The thing about it is it
locks you up for so many years out of any
version of skill set, workplace marketability. That that's the rub.
But I understand not wanting to miss out on any
of it, wanted to be there. I also understand it
being part of your identity doing the work life balance,
(06:19):
because that is something to be respected and it's something
you might want your kid to see for modeling like
that is totally your choice. But I will say from
a difficulty perspective, work is time consuming and mentally consuming,
it is, And to be very successful is next to impossible.
To be a successful businesswoman is so relentless business person
is so relentless, so difficult, such hard work, so challenging.
(06:42):
Like I'm not pandering, I'm saying it really is. But
to parent and not even I don't even want to
say to be a good parent because I don't even
know exactly. I know what a bad parent is, but
I don't know exactly what a good parent is. I
know other people around me that know me very close,
they think I'm a good parent. I don't know. I
really don't know. I kind of think I suck sometimes.
(07:03):
If I gave myself a grade as a parent, I
think I give myself a B B plus, like compared
to the rest of the world and the way that
some people are raised. Maybe I give myself like an
AA minus. But like I'm not really as far as
like good normal, well adjusted parents. I think I'm getting
a B like maybe A people I don't know. I
(07:24):
also have a teenager. I don't know if a parent
can get an A as a parent as a teenager,
I just don't know. And you just don't know what's
coming out of the oven. There are probably amazing parents
that raise children that have addiction issues. That maybe you
aren't going to be successful, maybe screw around, maybe become
catch potatoes, stoners, you know, just want to marry for
(07:44):
money and want to do nothing, I mean, just be
bad people, rob a bank, murder someone like I have
to believe that there are good people that are good
parents that raise bad people. So you're kind of like
doing the recipe. It's not baking where everything is precise,
because you can't parent like a baking recipe where it's precise.
But you're adding salt, you're adding gar like you're taking
(08:05):
this down, You're doing these steps, you're doing that as
you go. You're like, am I fucking this recipe up?
And you won't know till that shit gets taken out
of the oven. It might be flat, you might have
needed more of something and less of something else. You
don't fucking know. You're just baking as you go. And
you can read a thousand books. Peter A. Ta is
the health expert of the universe. He's everywhere, He's on
top of the world. He's got books and podcasts, CBS Deal,
(08:27):
then he's found on Epstein Island. What okay? So you
can read a thousand books on parenting and all that.
I've never met a perfect parent or a perfect person,
So you don't know what the fuck is going on
that oven. You're just doing the best you can as
you go. So Daryl Hannah has come out and criticized
(08:58):
Love Story and herrayal the way that she's portrayed in
that series, and I validate that. I don't validate every
aspect of it, because I certainly don't know, but I
validate that because the entire show seems like a scripted series,
a fictional scripted series, and the relationship between Carolyn Bessett
(09:19):
and JFK. Junior is portrayed about as accurately as Leonardo
DiCaprio and Kate Winslet represent the entirety of the Titanic.
The Titanic was a groundbreaking ship that was supposed to
be infallible, and it crashed into an iceberg, and many
(09:44):
people died, and there were many people that were of
note on board because it was a very elite journey
and in the top tier passenger list. I'm sure there
were ten thousand stories on that boat. They plucked one
story and sensationalized did and it became the movie. But
I mean, if you've seen all the documentaries about it
(10:05):
and seen all of the interesting history, I mean, you
could fill one hundred books. But those two Hollywood characters
do not exemplify the Titanic anymore than this produced show
illustrates JFK and Carolyn. They were two human beings that
had a relationship, but no one was fully under the hood.
I've known some people that were partially under the hood,
(10:26):
and I've heard stories, and it doesn't seem like it
was portrayed properly at all. And I don't think the
actress seemed like Daryl Hannah who played her by the way,
I will say that, like, I think they did do
her dirty and it just didn't didn't seem the way
that I imagined her. But true or not, I think
the thing is that the younger generation believes that that
(10:48):
is the entirety of that era and that story. It
is a heartbreaking story. One family lost two daughters in
one shot. We as viewers in the summer, waited days
while people searched with no evidence whatsoever, almost as if
they just vanished. It was horrifying. I remember, like it
was yesterday, them trying to find anything, and they finally
(11:11):
found something in the water, but they couldn't find the
black box. It was a nightmare, okay, a nightmare, and
now all these people have to live this again. Stories
are told again and above people, but it's fiction, and
young people are believing it to be true. And now
I think it's weird people like cosplaying their looks and
their outfits. They were human beings that died a terrible death,
(11:31):
and I just there's a lot of it that's kind
of like really exploitative and it's kind of gross, and
people are creepy, weird zombies that want to mimic it.
But by no means is it a representation. There are
literal characters missing from the show, and it's a fictional story,
and you can find many ways into a story, like
(11:52):
if Rose and I forgot his name on the Titanic,
if they were the entry point just to tell about
a ship that crashed into an iceberg. This is just
like a story that's being totally embellished, and the entry
point into ratings and entertainment to an audience is these
two characters, because they were larger than life characters. There
(12:13):
were people I as a kid, my father trained horses
for Barry Schwartz, who was partners with Calvin Klein, and
we used to get to go up to the showroom.
I'd go up with my mother and the showroom wasn't
like that, But like, nothing was like that. It's a
television show. Most things are not what it seems like
they have to make it entertaining. Most moments of people's
(12:35):
lives aren't that exciting, and people aren't just flipping their
hair every second of the day, and icons are not
just walking up to bars without being approached, And a
lot of it's fiction, so take it with a grain
of salt. I think that if Daryl had basically said
okay without betraying the family, which she hasn't spoken out
in years and people do admire that, she could have
(12:55):
just said, like, no, that's not what he liked to eat,
and that's not what the was like, and that's not
you know, he didn't like to go to the park
or whatever, and it would have meant that, like the
whole thing was somewhat discredited. But it must be really
hard to have your life, your name, your relationship out
of nowhere when you've been fairly private and fairly obscure
(13:18):
and like minded your own business. I know where she lives.
I know someone who bought her house from her, so
I've been in her former house. Not that that means
anything or anyone cares. I'm just saying it's in a
very sort of remote, choose to be private area type home.
Like I'm not going to get into more of in
case people don't know where she lives. But like if
she had said like these ten things, people would have
(13:40):
been like, oh wait, the whole thing's fiction. But it
still wouldn't have mattered anyway, because people pick and choose
what they want to believe. If you think that I
or Ramona or I mean, if you think we are
exactly what you see on reality TV, you'd be shocked.
I just saw a couple of housewives and literally, someone
who I've known for decades said, it was so nice
getting to know you this way, someone that I know
(14:01):
and have worked with and spent a lot of time with.
Because it's not an accurate portrayal being on the Housewives.
That does not portray who I am anymore than it
does other people. That's portraying who we are in that
toxic dumpster. So please never forget that. I mean, you're
watching something and be entertained, and if you want to
choose to believe it, great, choose to believe it. But
I validate her wanting to just sort of like clarify
(14:25):
something because she's probably cringing. She did bring more attention
to it, but she is just she just wanted to
get her word in and unfortunately people get exploited. It
just happens sometimes
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