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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So Lauren Sanchez wrote a book, a children's book, and
I didn't realize it's her second children's book and that
she's a New York Times bestseller and I got it
at my apartment in Miami, and I was like, she's
always been a worker, Okay, I remember her from when
she was an on air journalist, and she's always been
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a worker. And I love that she wrote a children's
book and is like working and on the road promoting it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I hate promoting anything. I hate going on the.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Road and doing all those shows, and like she's out
there and she certainly doesn't have to. So that's a
shout out because she does for whatever reason. She's one
of these people that gets hate and she's living her
own life and I think people are just honestly triggered
and jealous because she married a successful man, and like
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she gets blamed for them. And it's almost like when
Alex Earl was spoted with Tom Brady and they were
getting criticized, like who's not going out with Tom Brady?
Like who's out flirting with Tom Brady? Yes, I know
he's older than her. It's not the first time it's
ever happened in history. Okay, and also shout out to
Jeff Bezos. He's not going out with a thirty five
year old, He's going out with someone aged appropriate.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't know, am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Like at some point people do have to be able
to live their lives and like make good choices and
date well. And you want me to date some schlub.
Guess what if I dated some phenomenal person or married them,
I'd get trashed on because I'm not good enough for them.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I mean, people just like to hate.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And the two of them are we're not only like
somehow like underwriting or financially contributing to the Metcala, but
co chairs and people got really mad at that because
people like to sort of rewrite history and act like
in the guilded Age or at any point in history
that these society things were not about the Benjamins. So
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it used to be about family name or what is
it called? Like are you high born? So was that legitimate?
Like that's supposed to be important. Then it's like, oh,
the met Gala has changed so much.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Like from what from what?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
From being a charity that was always about making money
for the charity and always about society. And then people
got mad when they were letting in reality stars. Why
they move commerce and views and clicks and Kim and Kanye,
like when they went to the Mechala, Yeah, like eyeballs
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were watching. What do people think this is? Do people
think this stuff is not eyeballs watching? Same thing with
social media. You're just there for the cloud or for
the clicks. What are you there for? You're there for
the charity. You're on TikTok dancing to a Lizo song
for charity. Like, everyone, sit the fuck down if you
are on television, TikTok, Instagram, social media doing anything, even
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if you're.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
In a movie. I don't care if you don't believe
in social media. You're there for the craft.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You're gonna go up there and get your shiny award
and trophy if you win something. So you're there for
the clicks. You're there for the eyeballs. You're there for
the attention, You're there for the accolades. You're there not
because you just want to stand around all day for
eight takes to get one side of your cheekbone, then
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have to turn around and do it all over again
as an actor or an actress. So sell your shit
somewhere else. If Jeff and Lauren are part of the
met Gala because they are successful and influential, it's no
different than anyone else. It's no different than any actor, politician,
any politician.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Not want attention, not want.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
To hold a baby and stand up in front of
a podium and get votes. It's clicks, it's votes, it's dollars.
Sit on your couch, close the shades, and be a hermit,
and then I'll believe that it's not for the clout
or the clickbait. Everyone is out in the public eye
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for the cloud or the clicks in one way or another.
And if you're Sir Anthony Hopkins, if you went up
and took your damn trophy, you.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Wanted the praise and the accolades.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
If you're Robert de Niro and you opened NOBU and
you like to talk about politics, and you went on
Jay Leno, you wanted attention. It's just in a different way.
Princess Diana, the queen out in John Megan Markle, you
know the royals, also the royals. You did not marry
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a royal thinking you weren't gonna be out paraded somewhere.
Way it goes wealth doesn't whisper.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
None of this.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know what whispers being asleep under your covers and
not seeing the light of day.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's quiet. Anything else is a flex in one direction
or the other.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh, it's the effortless it used to be like, it's
the the no makeup, makeup, it's the glass skin.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Look, everything is a thing.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And also back on people criticizing Jeff Bezos, he's doing
to the planet, et cetera. You tell me if you
don't order your shit on Amazon. Okay, you need a
pair of fishnets by tomorrow. Are you lying into New
York City and going to Eighth Street? You're ordering it
on Amazon. Most of you have never been on The Housewives,
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But do you know how Like on the Housewives, someone
will tell you to go fuck yourself, say the most
horrendous things to you, and in the next scene they apologize,
and it's supposed to be like nothing ever happened, and
then all of a sudden, the whole pendulum will swinging,
the whole show will be mad at you because you
didn't forget live and move on. You need to move on. Okay,
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in real life, it's not like that. Like with your friends,
if your friend says you're a piece of shit. You're
probably not gonna speak to them the next day at lunch.
But on the Housewives, it's a different land. It's the
upside down. That's what teenagers are like. Teenagers could say
the most scathing, horrendous thing to you, like that guy
on the side of the road that like squeegees off
the water on your windshield.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's supposed to be gone.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
The next time you see your teenager, you are like
beaten down and battered, and you're still traumatized in the
er ward and they are like just prancing, going out
eating ice cream like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wow, teens are like housewives.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I heard it's not just teens, it's older too.
So Lisa Rinna wrote a book book and I haven't
read it, but I've seen some talk of it on
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social media. And she's in a whole era, a different
type of success, and she's fashion and it's catur honey,
and she's traveling and all that. Incidentally, Lisa were gonna
called me when she wanted to know if she should
did the show. And also incidentally, Andy Cohen didn't want
her or Tory spelling. He used to say they both
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used to bug him and want to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And this is what he used to say.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm not saying this is I know that Tori wanted
to be on, but I think that Lisa did too,
or she was intrigued by it. And I said to him,
she's not what you think she is, Like he wasn't
interested in it at all. I said, she's not what
you think she is, and he ended up taking my
word for it. And I think she was a tremendous
and excellent housewife. So Lisa Rinna wrote a book and
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she's asked about her relationship with Denise. She's discussing Yolanda.
She's definitely Maya Kulpa. She's literally illustrating the problem with
reality TV and how it's not based in reality. I mean,
the things are actually happening, but in a very unique circumstance,
and the currency is drama. The currency is kill or
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be killed, zero sum games. Someone's always winning, someone's always losing.
There have been so many arrests and scandals and terrible
things that have come out of such a small group
of women, Like the amount of scandal that has emerged
from that franchise has been remarkable. But Lisa is asked
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about her friendship with Denise because she was friends with
Denise before, and I was friendly with Lisa before even
that sphere, and she correctly describes that you really shouldn't
be going onto a show like that, or entering into
an environment like that with a friend thinking that your
friendship will remain intact. Now, maybe they were just Hollywood friends,
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and that's fine, you know each other. We're not best
friends because they're both going into a business opportunity.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They both needed either the money.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Or the boost or the boosts for their business, or
the relevance or the fame or whatever they wanted, or
the boredom, the versal of boredom, whatever they wanted.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But there is a price.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Many things have a price, And on Jersey Housewives, you've
seen literal family members never speak to each other again.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You've seen friendships dissolve.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Friendships can develop on the show because there's a common
goal and it's sort of survival, like they're survival. But
it's very hard to sustain a relationship that you had
on the show, and it's even hard to sustain a
relationship after. It's very difficult to understand someone who would
go on to the Housewives unless they need the money,
need the relevance, need the fame. And it's almost impossible
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to imagine someone staying on a long time once they
have some version of success or money. It's actually preposterous
to me to imagine anyone with real mis means doing
the show. Like you can think that someone has money
or has means. But we've seen enough brands fail, all
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these bills and o people that people didn't know about,
and foreclosure and all this stuff because people are trying
to keep up with the Joneses. So if someone is
going on The Housewives, their financial situation is likely not
what you think it is, or they there's something deeply
missing or boredom or needing. It's just I can't even imagine.
I mean, the only way to get me back on
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a show like that would be such an extraordinary amount
of money, and I still don't I can't actually imagine
doing it unless I had such a greater strategy and reason.
For example, I have a TV meeting today and there
is a strategy. I don't know that I would even
do it, but there's an idea that I could possibly entertain,
and I just I don't want to disrupt my piece.
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My piece is too valuable. I have a much more
lucrative business than my biggest day in Skinny Girl and
how swives all my seasons put together.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So there would have to be some sort of a real,
big reason.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And I believe that in most cases, TV as we
know it now is the dinosaur era. There would have
to be some sort of a change, mind you. I
saw a clip. I don't watch the show. I saw
a clip of Erica Jane. It seemed like she was
like talking about like she's ready to like move on
with the chapter of her life that is defined by
her marriage and the scandal and the cases and all
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that stuff, and like she's on TV.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
She's been pretty vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I reckon that, Like she's had to be on TV
because she's had bills to pay and lawyers, and she's
started her own life and she's very lucky to have
a career. But like, I feel like she's paid her dues.
It was at least primarily the actions of her husband.
I mean, whether she knew or not, it's still she
herself was not defrauding anyone. She wasn't working in his
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law firm. Was she spending. Was she showing yes? Was
Teresa's spending? Was she showing yes? You get on you
want to show off everything you have. I guess you
want people to know how rich you really are, and
you know it's I guess it's just it must be
human nature, because it's been human nature on The Housewives.
People who are going bankrupt are showing how rich they are.
People who have nothing are showing their labels. Erica was
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spending I think fifty sixty thousand a month on her
glam and she was talking about it. Teresa was buying furniture.
But okay, you know, I think they took a beat down.
I think Erica took a beat down.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think I just appreciate her being vulnerable on the
show about it. She seems like she's taken a beating
and she usually is just teflon and doesn't want to share,
and I think she's just sharing. I literally saw a
thirty second clip, but it was just a different Erica
than I had seen, So you may know a different
context because I don't. I oddly don't watch these shows,
but I honestly, genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,
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wish her the very very best, because she certainly seems
like she's paid her bills and her dues and listen,
it could drive someone crazy. Sonya had a twelve million
dollar judgment against her. She had to pay, She had
to work for years to pay something, and like, it'll
fucking beat you down.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Life will beat you down. But it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Whoever the life coach that was talking to Erica and
this clip was basically saying like, there's no there there,
There's no here here, Like she was like, I just
want to get there. And the woman was like, yeah,
there's gonna be another thing then, like life is messy
and things are always going to be happening. And I
thought that was interesting. Speaking of which, when I flipped
through social media and I see Teddy Mellencamp with short hair,
looking so healthy and stunning, and I don't know the
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situation of her health right now, I haven't followed it,
but like, I'm just so happy she's sitting in a
chair working like I. For some reason, I just thinking
of her children and just thinking of I have the
chills thinking of her going through something so horrendous. It
gave me the chills. I my heart went out to her,
like I can't imagine the thoughts she's had, the fears
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she's had about her kids. About what to say, I
don't even want to say anything. I just mean, like,
I'm glad that she's healthy and at least healthy enough
to be on her podcasts. Like people need purpose and
people need to have something to focus on. And I
don't know, I just I was very moved when she
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was going through something and it was very horrible to
see Carol on Real Housewives of New York. People have
been asking me about this. I think, listen, at a
stage in life for everyone, like you want to have
some purpose and some work. I mean, she people are
you know, talking about that. She for years criticized that
medium that you know, Andy the show, et cetera. But
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hell hath frozen over and many many housewives after Andy
making up with them to get them back on TV
and to make amends and to sort of shift the
Bravo narrative. And you know, everyone has to eat crow
once in a while. So Andy's had to eat crow
and kind of go back to people that he hasn't
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liked that they haven't liked him, and it's you know,
it's not show fre it's show business. So I guess
show business means having to go back and show friends.
So for her, I imagine it's a job decision. It's
something to focus on, something to do. It's good to
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have work at the stage of life. And I mean,
I genuinely, genuinely wish are the best, and it's good
to not have bad blood and and anger.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I guess time heals all wounds.