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November 4, 2025 16 mins

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I can't not say something about this. I don't Julia Fox,
I'm I have like the chills, and I follow her,
she follows me. She seems interesting, she's I think, I'm
like actually upset. I'm actually upset because I because sometimes

(00:32):
someone that I like but I don't know her, but
I like, publicly does something and I normally would just
shut the fuck up, because there are things that people
I like from afar Ado that I shut the fuck
up about. But like, I don't understand her dressing up
as Jackie Oh with blood all over her, which is

(00:53):
the costume? Is the jfk assassination? Like and I know
it's not the same as everyone being enraged about Kathy
Griffin holding the Trump head, But like what, I don't
understand that, like any more than I understand Harry dressing
up as Hitler, Like I don't and how we I

(01:13):
don't get it. I don't get it. I don't understand
what the what? Like I she's a person who wants
to push the envelope, be disruptive, express I get that. Okay,
she went out with Kanye. Kanye pushed it far. I
would think it was with Balenciaga or I don't remember
who it was with, and like he was talking, he

(01:36):
was talking anti Semitic, and he like thought he was
being just disruptive and like if it bends, okay, If
it breaks, it's not okay. Like I don't understand the
motivation and the scene of dressing up as a woman
who just lost her husband, who has family on this planet,
Like I don't know. It upsets me, like it actually

(01:56):
deeply upsets me, and I can't. I can't. I can't
explain why because it's upsetting because it doesn't make any sense,
Like I don't understand what is what was? So like
you know, it's like there are these like artists that
like will do something very uncomfortable, or Chappelle will say
something about the LGBT community that's like uncomfortable and it's art.

(02:20):
So you're expressing. But like I don't think everything needs
and I listen, I have a big fucking mouth that
I do things wrong, and so I want when someone
criticizes me for them to be constructive and not just
go for the juggular the way that I am trying
to be. But on this day, I'm saying, I don't understand.
You can't you can't explain it to me. You can't

(02:43):
make me understand it. I don't. I don't even know
what the internet's saying about it, but I can't imagine
it's good. I'm saying this without reading anyone's opinion, Like
I understand, I don't under I mean the world of
marketing and clickbait and everything. Like I talked about the
Gwyneth pel and this candle smells like my vagina. Like
I understand she did it for clickbait and to sell

(03:04):
product and it worked, But like that's not like hurting
me or anybody. It's just like tongue in cheek. I
understand Kim Kardashian's big bush underwear for the same exact reason.
It's clickbait. She's gonna sell product and her body her choice.
But like this is not that. I understand Sidney Sweeney
being in an ad that people had a problem with

(03:25):
it thought it was white privilege. Like I understand her
being in and I'm hot, I'm cute, I have a
really sultry voice wearing jeans. Like people were outraged by that.
Like that's not to be outraged about, Okay, that's to
have an opinion on this, to me is something to
be outraged about unless I'm missing a chapter in this book.
I don't get it. I didn't get Harry addressing as Hitler.

(03:45):
I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't get it.
I don't get it. I didn't get Kanye and his
anti semitism. And to what end do you need to
say everything that you think? Even like I don't and
I'm gonna say what you think kind of goal, but
this one I don't good. So let me know what
you think. What the fuck is going on with men

(04:07):
in plastic surgery? Like it's not going that great? And
why is it? Because their faces are different than women?
Are they not using the right people? Because it's happening
a lot in Hollywood that they're being criticized and it's
coming on strong. And it might be that men don't
think about plastic surgery until I know what it is.
I have an idea, I have a theory, not I

(04:28):
don't know. I have a theory. So men are men,
and they don't think about plastic surgery. And while they
might be vain in Hollywood, they're not thinking about it
in their forties and fifties, maybe they're not thinking about
it to their sixties. But what the plastic surgeons tell
women is that if they have a lot of saggy skin,
and if they just desperately need it, whether or not

(04:48):
it's brown spots or whether it's literally the chicken neck
or whatever, or saggy skin, that women should lock the
door before they get robs. They should start to think
about preventative and maybe they're doing botox and different things
to prevent, or they're going to do things early enough
so it's not so much skin to take away and
so much to make up for. But I think that

(05:11):
men don't really think that plastic surgery applies to them
until a certain age, and until maybe they're they don't
have to only be famous, but maybe like men who
are on camera obviously are seeing themselves or people saying, wow,
did they get old, or they're looking at themselves next
to the female stars that have gotten all the work
and the fillers and the botox, and so then they're like, fuck,

(05:32):
look at me and that cut or that clip and
I just saw that movie or my publicist said it,
or I saw myself in a magazine article. And this
is why I do not think that men have it better.
So anyway, So men think about it later and they
have more to do because they've let it go longer.
They didn't get the botox and the fillers, religiously, they

(05:52):
didn't get the facials and the exfoliation. They just sort
of like were rugged and Paul Newman like, and one
day they're like, wait, I look old. They're not doing
the mc jagger version of life, where they just like
look good as a leathery man in skinny jeans because
he's a fucking rock star. They're like pretty men, like
Bradley Cooper is a pretty man. Pitt used to be

(06:15):
a pretty man, like he's older and more like textured now.
But like I don't know about David Beckham, He's always
had a little bit of an edge. But these three
men have gotten work and I haven't paid close enough attention,
but people are fucking criticizing it. They're like, what the
actual fuck happened? It's too much, et cetera. So like
Bradley Cooper looks like he had some work done. He's

(06:36):
also dating a supermodel who's easily twenty years younger, and
I love their relationship, but he probably got fucking hip
to the jam real fast when he was like, now
I'm the older man formally known as Bradley Cooper dating
Gigi Hadid, You'll come correct real quick. But how much
is too much? Did he not dabble? Did he want
to go in and just get the whole manty, the

(06:56):
full monty because he wants to keep up? And then
David Becka, where the fuck did that come from? I
know he's always been somewhat vain. He cares about fashion
and the way he looks. But he's gotten older. And
I saw a picture of him the other day and
I am not even disrespecting what they look like. They
look good. I didn't even know that it was him.
It did not look like him. So that could be good,

(07:18):
that could be bad. People said that about Jennifer Gray
when she got a nose drub years ago. There are
girls that I know that don't look anything like what
they used to look like. Nothing, But maybe if someone
never met them before, they might think they look good
because they just don't look like the same person. That
might not be bad. But we know Bradley Hooper and

(07:42):
beck to look a certain way, So we're just like,
maybe good at maybe bad. We don't I don't know. Oh,
and then Brad Pitt, but I think people thought his
was good. So there's good work and there's bad work
with these men. And you can't just think that you're
gonna just take the scissors out, cut some skin off
and it's gonna work out. It seems a scary risky business,

(08:03):
particularly for men, so I think there have to be
like plastic surgeons that specialize in male faces versus women.
Moving right along, I'd like to discuss Lisa Rinna's reinvention.
Lisa Rinna has reinvented herself. She has a new chapter,
a new career. She was just on a red carpet,

(08:26):
like talking to celebrities, and she was in this rose
gown and she has been in Hollywood forever, and I
think she knows everyone. So she's a great person to
be on a red carpet because people are gonna immediately
trust her, say hello, and like she knows Hollywood from
like the Harry Hamlin angle, from the Michael Bolton angle,
from the reality TV angle, from her own acting angle,

(08:47):
Like she's been around a minute, not unlike myself, and
she's been around that business, so she knows the people.
And I kind of like her on a red carpet.
I thought that that made some sense. And she's like
in fashion now her daughters are models, so that tracks too.
She's learned and circulated around and gotten savvy about the

(09:08):
fashion business and the going to Milan or Paris and
fashion Week. Erica Jane can take full credit for Lisa
Renna's reinvention because Lisa Renna had the same haircut and
the same dresses for every scene, and Erica Jane raised
the goddamn bar because Erica Jane was every single scene
in a different hairstyle, a different outfit, a different shoe.

(09:31):
She just was turning looks, even if she wasn't leaving
her bedroom. She just changed that show into that and
that was never my thing. And this is not a criticism,
it's a fact for me. It wasn't my thing. It
wasn't how I came up on the show. And the
show was just about like real that Erica Jane changed

(09:52):
the show into being more performative and theatrical. But it's
also based in Beverly Hills and with a cast of
often many actresses, so it's a different town, a different
persona like it makes sense, you're not gonna have Denise Richards,
who was in her jean shorts and a tank top

(10:12):
fitting in when you've got dorit like bedazzling her skull.
And Erica Jane raised Dorite's game too. Kyle started dressing differently.
She turned it up and now Lisa Rennet is a
fashion person and she could thank Erica Jane and Frankly
the housewives. Okay, so recently I heard more about the

(10:47):
Brad Pitt Angelina Jolie divorce. Mine has gone on for
a decade. I have to actually look up when they're started.
But mine is the opposite of Garden variety. It was
Hall of Fame horrendous, and it sounds like theirs is
Hall of Fame horrendous for different reasons, but ones that
I understand. There have been custody aspects, property aspects. A

(11:11):
lot of crazy things go on in divorce, and the
two of them still aren't divorced, and there's a property issue.
So what I heard was that she left him the
house to try to be conciliatory. Things like this, when
you're dealing with emotional matters of the heart. You can't
give back the ring and think someone's gonna give you

(11:32):
credit points. Let them stay in the house and think
they are. If emotions are very heightened, these things will
be like pissing in the wind. They won't matter. So
I don't know. If you're doing it for the kids,
that's one thing, like left the house, left the marital
residence because it was a bad, negative place for the kids.
But if you're doing something like that because you think

(11:53):
it'll get you points with the other person, depending upon
what the situation is, you're not gonna get any points.
Giving back a ring if it's right for yours isn't
going to get you any points. Like in many cases,
to do the right thing doesn't do you any good,
and in fact, it'll make you resent the whole situation more. Okay,
I don't know the details of this, but now he

(12:15):
wants her to release messages with her attorneys. I've never
heard of that. I've never heard of one party wanting
the other to release messages between someone and their attorney
like that would be that happened during the justin Baldonian
Blake Lively thing where they had to release messages between

(12:38):
them and their publicists, which is like a strategy. You
know their publicists or their crisis managers, but they don't
have attorney client privilege, and they frankly should have something
like that if you're dealing with like business strategy, et cetera,
because it's gonna eventually come out. The only thing really
protected in situations like this are like doctor, patient, therapist, patient,

(13:00):
lawyer client. So whatever you put in writing, you know,
is not protected unless it's that case. And by the way,
there are all these different things you have to realize,
Like so anyway, I can't imagine her having to release
anything with her lawyers. She could tell her lawyers she
wants to kill him and they shouldn't. Even if she
said that that shouldn't be released. That makes no sense
that he would even ask that, And I can't imagine

(13:21):
who his lawyers are that they would even ask that.
It doesn't make any fucking sense. So someone has to
clarify that for me. Someone has to clarifify that for me.
It's sad that you have to know these things, but
there are rules and laws and kind of anything goes.
Divorce is vile. This sounds like a particularly vile one,
and for me to say that is a pretty big statement.
And usually the custody's really hard, but the money's really easy.

(13:44):
And usually once the money's resolved for people, this was
not the case with me. The money and the property
is resolved for people, then it's easy to just move
on and finish the custody like you want to, like
check off certain boxes. By the way, all of this
kind of reinforces what I'm saying about getting married legally,

(14:07):
like you have to think about things like property and assets.
I've known people to get married and because of one
person's status. Okay, let's say I get married to Joe
and because I'm famous and wealthy and have major contacts,
or because I'm an influencer. Let's say we get I
get married to Joe, and I'm an influencer. So I

(14:30):
am used to thousand dollars coffeemakers being dropped off of
my house, cars being dropped off in the driveway, diamond
jewelry coming here that I couldn't even care less about, Okay,
because it's like transactional and it's become a business. So
let's say that's my life. So let's say I get
married to Joe and at my wedding, people are giving
me one hundred thousand dollars watches, pieces of art, crocodile

(14:56):
suitcases from Italy worth two hundred thousand dollars. That's not
that would have to be carved out in a prenup
because technically it could be marital property once we're married.
But I'm not giving my fucking spouse half the shit
that I got just because they happen to marry on
this day and influencer. So stuff goes on that you
don't know and you would never think of. Okay, what

(15:18):
if I were given gorgeous pieces of art while married?
I'm not giving The reason I got gorgeous pieces of
art is because artists want me to promote them. That's
like because of me. So there are things that you
could never imagine that in your life, in your work
you have to think of property. Angelia Julian brad Pitt. Yes,

(15:39):
it's an extreme example. They're very rich, they're famous, whatever,
but still there are there are things that go on.
There are things that go on. I remember Kanye used
to give Kim stocks for birthday gifts. I don't even
know if they were married then, but he used to
give them stocks. He used to give Kim stocks and like,

(16:01):
was it marital property? Was it something he was giving
to both of them? I don't know. I'm just saying,
don't be a fucking dope walking down the aisle, just
thinking everything's gonna be okay. Love will love will save you.
Like it doesn't work that way. Everything seems great in
the beginning of a business deal, it seems amazing until
there's a loophole you didn't think about. Until there's something
you didn't think about, it's very, very precarious. So sadly

(16:26):
want to hear more about that divorce. Not because I
want to hear more about that divorce, but because I've
helped a lot of people with divorce. It's a big
ticket topic.
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