March 20, 2026 • 23 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So the Internet creates its own narrative and story, as
does the media. And I discussed a scene on The
Housewives with Rachel Zoe, who I recently spoke about on
this podcast, and of course it was not it misconstrued,
just sort of misrepresented.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But I don't care.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If I open my mouth, it's getting written about and
the headline is going to create the story and it's
clickbait and people will hate and I don't care, all right,
but I'll tell you the matter, so we could talk
about it as just a conversation that I am absolutely
qualified and an expert on discussing. Okay, So Rachel Zoe
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is a mom, and I'm sure sure she's a great mom.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She has two children.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
One looks young like I'm not good at that, but
could be like six, seventh or eighth grade, and the
other one looks like one looks like six or seventh,
one looks like eighth or ninth. Okay, but they're children,
and they're on The Housewives. I was on The Housewives,
and I when my daughter was of any age that
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she could or couldn't have been on television. I had
a lot of leverage on the show because I had
come back, and it doesn't even matter if I had
leverage or she was not gonna be on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And Sonya's daughter wasn't on the show. So it does.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Speak to a talent that you are valuable enough that
they will allow you to be on the show when
you're not showing a boyfriend, a husband, a child. That's
a big thing. Like they don't allow that, Okay, they
don't allow that. And so if someone is coming on
and says, I'm not going to have my boyfriend on
this on, they won't allow it. So even first season
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when I had no levelge coming onto the Housewives, I
had a boyfriend named Jason, and he didn't want to
be on, and they were like then and no, and
I got him to be on, and that was the
scene when he said, let's talk about it later. When
he had already asked for me to move in and
us to live together. I was looking at apartments, but
he didn't want to talk about anything on camera. He
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had a big job at that time, well at any time.
It wasn't great for him and he really didn't want
to be on. So we did one scene and I
had to ask him about the apartment and if we
were going to move in together. But I already knew
that he wanted to move in together because we had
been talking about it, but he didn't want to talk
about it on camera.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So I was saying, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And he was like, we'll talk about it later, and
I'm like on camera dying because I was like that
girl in high school where the boy broke up with
me and I want to like not have everyone know
he broke up with me, and I want to remark it.
And I'm like, what do you mean and he's like,
we'll talk about it later. I'm like, but you don't
want to talk about it now, Like I just wanted
him to say something like I love you, I care
about you, we're going to live together yet, like check
the box. And instead he's like, we'll talk about it later,
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and he's sweating, and I'm like, oh my god, and
I'm dying in the game is moving so fast, and
I am a new housewife, a brand new housewife. I'm
not even a housewife because the show's called Manhattan Moms
and I have no leverage. And it didn't portray this
situation accurately because it wasn't. It made him look like
a dick. But he wasn't being a dick. He just
didn't want to be on camera, Okay, And so that's
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on me.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's on me. That's on me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That's a little on him, but it's on me. And
this is the job that I signed up for. So
this is the job that Rachel's so signed up for.
And this is the job that every housewife that has
had a husband cheating or going away for fraud or
financial problems like, this is what they signed up for.
This is what they're being paid for. So Rachel not
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even presumably there is no Presumably she was told we
need to get a scene with you and your kids.
I've done fifteen seasons of reality television, like in my life,
like she was told, we have to get a scene
with your kids. And and Maurice has been on television
with Bravo for years and either got paid or the
kids get paid because of it, or another business or
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show he's doing with them or whatever. There's a reason
he gets on He either wants he gets to wear
an agency's T shirt and then he does a scene
with dor Reat, which I saw on social media.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I haven't seen these scenes on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I've seen them all as clips on social media, so
I'm getting just like a snippet of a scene. So
that's a disclaimer, but I know what the deal is.
So if Maurice is sitting at a table with Dori
eat and a clip on TikTok that came to be somehow,
he's not doing it for his health. He's doing it
for his business, for the agency, for a paycheck, for
his kids, whatever. Okay, but that's why he's sitting down
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doing it. There's always a risk. So now Rachel gets
in a scene that the producers have said, we got
to get a scene with you and your kids, and
they got to establish her life, and her story is
her divorce. The last time she was on Bravo on TV,
she was with this man, Roger, and that's her story. Like,
you need a story. It can't just be someone just
dressing people like. They don't care if I'm friends with Madonna,
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Steven Spielberg or Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's not the stuff that rates. They don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If Jennifer Garnano's wearing a dress of the Oscars, that's
a fine frosting. But they care about her interaction with
the other people. And her personal life. So now they
don't have Roger to be on the show, and they
need people around her, and you need friends and cousins
and mothers and sisters and country clubs that don't want
to film, and it's not that easy. So now they're like,
we got to get you in your house and see
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you doing some reality. What is reality? We want to
see you packing, we want to see you making a sandwich.
We want to see what your life is like in
the morning. What's it like when you make breakfast? So
we need to see you with the kids at the house,
in the kitchen. I don't know what the rest of
that scene was, but it probably was like someone walks
home with their homewark, their backpack. I don't know what
they were. But that's called shoot reality. They'll shoot reality
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sometimes that's the whole day. We just want to get
some reality with you. We want to get you driving
in and out of the driveway and talking on the
phone and whatever. Okay, So there's a scene and she's
basically saying, I'm paraphrasing, like, and what's it like now
in the house without your dad being here? And they're like, well,
he wasn't really here. That much anyway, and so now
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it's like more and she's like he was a big presence,
et cetera. First of all, I don't solicit or give
unsolicited advice or opinions about people's parenting. And so in
this case, a woman is doing a reality show for reasons,
business reasons, financial reasons, personal reasons, and that those won't
necessarily be divulge. But I've been on the inside and
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the outside, and I know there are reasons. It's either money, relevance,
or business or all three, or lack of boredom okay
or whatever it is. So I don't judge parenting. So
now you're in this scene, and I was deeply uncomfortable
because I know how producers operate. I know about their whiteboard.
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I know about the needing to get you together and
you need to talk to that person about that thing
and that doesn't want to talk about that thing. And
I know about parenting. I know about Sonya and not
having her child on. I know about Ali Zarn and
her mother taking her to a place that the audience
construed to be a fat camp. So for her whole life,
she was the girl that on television got sent to
fat camp. Avery was the girl that Lan's kids were
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the kids that And there are fifty shades of it
because some people do a better job of protecting it,
or just they get lucky. There are a million things,
and some of the kids that you don't hear from
one of the two kids maybe really hates it, doesn't
want to be part of it. Think Rob Kardashian, okay,
or that version on The Housewives. One doesn't want to
be part of it. Or you have a situation like
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a woman in Orange County and her kids have talked
about it being a negative aspect of their lives, and
they had substance issues and they've had issues with the law.
That doesn't mean it's because of this. There have been many,
many kids with substance issues and many family issues on
these shows. And you cannot solely blaeame reality television any
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more than you can blame reality television.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
For a divorce. But this exists.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And you had a woman, I think it was Dina
Manzo's daughter who did a video saying that she said
something when she was thirteen, and like she's been criticized
for it now because now she's an adult and it's
not like a social media post where you post a
picture of you and your kid and you can take
it down, and yes, someone could have screen grabbed it,
but it's a snippet and you control the content. You
edit it, you post it. You live and die on
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that sort. You chose it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Reality TV.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's cooked and they decide how it's served, and it's
served forever. So you're now thirty years old, then you're
trying to date and the clip that they'll look up
is you went to fat camp or whatever. Dina Manzo's
daughter said. She said, and she was deeply embarrassed by it.
So I don't frankly give a shit about the Internet
has to say about me commenting on a medium and kids.
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But even the parent of the kid, if the kid
is young or like is an adolescent or a young
teen or tween, they don't know what it's going to
be like for the kid at eighteen, because I haven't
had a kid that's eighteen, So for me, I have
a fifteen year old, and I know that my daughter
doesn't want to post stuff for brands, even if she
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could get commercials and modeling and things like that on
her own page. She doesn't want that. She doesn't want
the response from her peers. She doesn't want that kind
of attention. She doesn't want that scrutiny. Kids are dealing
with skin and emotions and grades and body image, and
something that worked when someone was ten or twelve is
different when someone is fifteen, eighteen, twenty five, thirty thirty five, dating, married,
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et cetera. It's just different, and you can't know until
it's cooked. So I am not criticizing anyone's parenting. The
parent in the scene doesn't know the effects of splenda
or ozembic or whatever, or being on reality television ten
years from now. It made me deeply uncomfortable because I
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have institutional knowledge on this topic, being on the inside,
being on the outside, being a parent, having other people
that I know who have kids who've been in this medium,
having Bella and Gigi Hadid and their mom Bidiam and
mom that wouldn't give them food, and like, all of
these things are real.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is a fact.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Bella Hadib was on TV and people were talking about
her getting into trouble when she was sixteen for like
either a dui or something like it happened to Lewan's
daughter something with a dui like that shit.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The show puts on because it was in the media.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But it's a dangerous game and there's a price to
reality television.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And that scene, not Rachel, not the kids. That scene
made me.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Deeply on comfortable because of all that I know, and
I will die on that hill.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
The internet was like I dragged Rachel.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I didn't say one word about her at all, nor
would I even said, this is not a digorous swife.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So Leah McSweeney, she's the.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Only one like sort of that's had an issue with
Bravo that it stood because Andy has befriended anyone who's
taken issue with them, so frankly Brandy and Leo Brandy
I don't believe has a case. But like anyone who's
taken issue against Bravo or Andy Cohen, they have reconciled with,
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like a Carol or Anini or a Kathy Griffin, who
have very publicly gone against this realm, they've reconciled. Most
of them didn't have cases or they weren't viable. And
I'm going to educate you on something. And I learned
this from Gretchen Carlson. So Gretchen Carlson went against Fox
and Roger Ayle's was running Fox for sexual I don't
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know the word advances or essay or whatever. Okay, there
are contracts with networks and it says something like binding arbitration.
It means you must arbitrary, which I think means like
you can't go to court, and that means that the
dirty laundry won't be aired because the realm who pays
their talent in a certain way so that the talent
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is like a contractor and the talent can't be thought
of as an employee. And the reason that's done or
had been done is so the employee can't go against
a realm for violation of an employee. Like in other words,
if an employer celebrated their employee falling off the wagon
doing drugs or drinking and highlighted that, they would obviously
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be sued by the employee. Like there are times when
Andy was on a reunion talking to Rachel saying what
medications were you want? And you were medicated, and like
there's some like hippo laws of that violate. It's like
you can't You're not gonna ask your employployee, but the
drugs you're taking for your situation. But there's a technicality
with reality employees that they're not technically employees because of this,
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because the nature of the content is all about like
conflict and drugs and abuse and bankruptcy and all these
things and sexuality and all this stuff that it would
be a violation of okay. So Bretchen Carlson has highlighted
that that's like a flaw in the system that you're
kind of it's almost like an NDA. It's not quite
an NDA, but you're kind of like gagged because no
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one's ever going to really know about any conflict that
the employee and the employer have that the talent and
the networker streamer would have. So Leah McSweeney has had
a case against Bravo. Now, you may love your reality TV,
and that is fine. It is an outlet great be entertained, enjoy.
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And you may love when Lee is running around with
tiki torches, or when someone gets fucked up or naked wasted,
or someone's in a bathroom pressuring someone because they're naked
wasted on the OC. Like, you could love all of
that and you can find it entertaining because you're not
expected to be the police and to like start judging
how something goes down. Sometimes you don't even realize how
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it goes down. You're a viewer, okay, But when Leah's
on the Tiki torches, there's stuff going on behind the scenes,
and she has a case against Bravos saying that they
really did sort of pressure her to drink, celebrate her drink,
make it difficult for her to be sober, and like
they did say, don't worry, this person's gonna drink, like
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a person who had stopped drinking, and the head of
the production company said, well, I mean, listen, of course
Blank is going to drink, like and of course this
person's gonna fall off the wagon, like in a way
that it was like, well, they were slurring in the morning,
like excited that this person wasn't staying sober because it's
better for television when that person is drunk, because they're
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gonna fly off the handle, because especially if someone's an addict,
they are more mercurial with the substance. Like if I drink,
I might say something on television and I might say
more than I normally would, but I'm not mercurial as
a result of an addiction, which is a different type
of person, like a person who's an addict who falls
off a wagon or drinks or does drugs like they're
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gonna have an emotion about it. It's literally a disease
and it's an addiction, so there's like a chemical aspect
to it. It's like just add water. They're gonna become
like a gremlin when you add water. So I'm not
gonna become a gremlin. I might become a little more loosey, goosey, funny, honest. Oh,
I loved buzz Bethany, but it's not gonna be fucking
blackout Leah with the tiki torches.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So her case is about that.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I'm not saying that anyone ever plied us with
or poured alcohol down our throats. It was always readily available,
it was never stopped down, it was never discouraged. There
was no drink limit, just like they have in the
UK and they now are much more serious about since
the Reality reckoning. But it was definitely celebrated, promoted, highlighted,
expected and like amorized. You know, I mean, listen, look
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at us in Tequila Mexico. We were I brought everyone
to Tequila Mexico. I invented the skinny margarita and the
skinny Girl brand the fastest growing like a random history
at the time. I am not saying I'm a stranger
to a cocktail. I'm saying that the production, the producers,
and the network deeply enjoy, promote and celebrate when someone's
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getting fucked up, or they did in my realm in
my era, and would talk about it and like bet
on it, you know, bet on someone falling up their sobriety. Okay,
So Leah's case has now gone far enough to go
back in front of this judge, and this judge is
named Lineman, and this judge also works on another big
cases and sort of doesn't seem to have a tolerance
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for like getting away with it because you're like sort
of you know, famous and a big powerful media entity.
So this judge when Bravo basically came in and said like, no,
we want to like hail Mary pass to do arbitration,
like they don't want it to be seen in front
of a court.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The judge was like, what are you talking. No, you
don't get to just like.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Stroll in here and get your way because you don't
want anyone to know about this situation. So there was
definitely a move in the case, and it was a
point for Leah. And I mean, she's the little trade
engine that could. And like I said, you could hate her.
You could say they didn't make her drink. She's an addict,
don't get wasted. You could say whatever you want. You
could hate her. You probably don't like her. She's also
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threatening your you know, fun reality TV, which she is in,
because reality TV will last and live on. It's just
being made in a different way now, yes, in part.
And you're welcome because the reality reckoning when people say
what happened to it, it happened, is happening.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's still happening.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But people were team Johnny Depp and then they were
team Amber heard and not until it was in court
did the truth come out, so you could think whatever
you want. There was an episode with Brandy Glanville, not
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an episode. There's a season in Morocco of Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip with Brandy Lanville and Carole Amanzo that has
never seen the light of day. Do you think Bravo
spends millions of dollars on TV shows and they don't
see the light of day. Something fucked up went on
there that they don't want people to see. And it's
between the Carolyn and Brandy and the accusations. But like
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shit goes on, Okay, I've seen the shit go on.
You've seen producers hooking up a talent, you've seen drugs,
You've seen all of it. Shit goes on, and it
used to be the wild, wild West. So Lea just
got a check mark and maybe going to court and
then you'll see what did or didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I literally don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm just telling you my perspective based on what I've
seen as an experienced, seasoned reality television show cast member.
But the judge had previously dismissed the case, saying that
the show had the right to make whatever show it wanted.
So it's a whole mixed story. Okay, so this could
be bullshit. I don't know, but I want to believe it.
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And I don't know why, but I'm invested in Tom Brady.
I don't know why. He gets a lot of shit
and a lot of hate and he always has and
I get it because also you have rabid sports fans.
You've got Boston. I guess years ago it was the Flakegate.
He's super famous. If he's super good looking, he's really successful.
He gets a decent amount of hate for someone that,
to me, minds his own business. Yes, he's been involved
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in different businesses and some have been problematic. He can't
predict that he invested in something. It went sideways, like
you're gonna fucking be out there, you're gonna make an ALMESD.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You're gonna crack some eggs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So like I'm gonna say, I'm team Tom, not Againstjoselle.
I don't know anything about his I'm just like team Tom.
I'm on the Tom team. So I heard that Tom
Brad might be dating Scooter Braun's ex.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I feel like I know her. She will have to
speak to that. Her name is so familiar to me,
Yille Cohen, y'ell Cohen Braun. So the name sounds like
she's Jewish, which I don't think Tom Brady's dated a
Jewish woman before, and so that's interesting to me. She's
in her late thirties. I like that age for him.
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She seems attractive, like seems smart. I don't know a lot,
but like seems smart. I literally looked her up for
thirty seconds when I saw they might be dating, and
it might have said like activist or something. I don't know,
Like she stands for something. I don't know what, but
she stands for something. And she was married to Scooter Braun,
who's like he was the peacock in that relationship, and
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now she's with Tom Brady, and Tom is obviously the
peacock in this relationship. But like, I don't know, you
date Tom Brady, you are a partial peacock. You date
time I'm Brady, You're a partial peacock. Like Scooter Braun
is successful. Scooter Braun is with Scarlet Johanson and most
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people don't really care.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like he's a business guy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I've messaged him before, I've watched his social media, like
I've been interested in him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I met him once.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He did Allan a favor and put Justin Bieber on
my talk show. But like Scooter bron is Scooter Braun
and fucking your ex, possibly dating or being linked to Tom.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Brady is gonna leave a fucking mark.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Stocks rise when you are linked to Tom Brady. Stocks rise,
n stocks rise when you're linked to Scarlet. But for
some reason, I don't know why the Scooter stock is
not rising in the same way.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I don't know why. I don't make the rules.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I know that Tom was like for one second, was
he maybe linked? Why don't say Scarlett Johansson, Who the
fuck's wrong with me? Not Scarlett Johanson, Sidney Sweeney, scratch
that striker from the record, Sidney Sweeney's dating Scooter Braun.
And I think she was like linked to Tom Brady,
but it was fake news. I think it was at
the Bezos wedding, so I think it was fake news.
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But again, you get linked to Tom Brady and stocks rise,
and yes, yes, being linked to Sidney Sweeney, presumably your
stock rises. It's just not the same when someone has
called you the goat, stocks are going to rise. So
I like him with a Jewish woman. I don't know why.
I don't know why, just because it's different. I like
him with a woman in her late thirties. I think
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it's age of probes. I like him with a smart woman.
I like him with a smart woman. He's a successful quarterback,
and as I've said previously on this show, that's a
smart position. You need to be smart, you need to
be a thinker. He needs to be with someone smart.
So that's what I have to say about.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
That water faster,
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So the Internet creates its own narrative and story, as
does the media. And I discussed a scene on The
Housewives with Rachel Zoe, who I recently spoke about on
this podcast, and of course it was not it misconstrued,
just sort of misrepresented.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But I don't care.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
If I open my mouth, it's getting written about and
the headline is going to create the story and it's
clickbait and people will hate and I don't care, all right,
but I'll tell you the matter, so we could talk
about it as just a conversation that I am absolutely
qualified and an expert on discussing. Okay, So Rachel Zoe
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is a mom, and I'm sure sure she's a great mom.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She has two children.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
One looks young like I'm not good at that, but
could be like six, seventh or eighth grade, and the
other one looks like one looks like six or seventh,
one looks like eighth or ninth. Okay, but they're children,
and they're on The Housewives. I was on The Housewives,
and I when my daughter was of any age that
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she could or couldn't have been on television. I had
a lot of leverage on the show because I had
come back, and it doesn't even matter if I had
leverage or she was not gonna be on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And Sonya's daughter wasn't on the show. So it does.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Speak to a talent that you are valuable enough that
they will allow you to be on the show when
you're not showing a boyfriend, a husband, a child. That's
a big thing. Like they don't allow that, Okay, they
don't allow that. And so if someone is coming on
and says, I'm not going to have my boyfriend on
this on, they won't allow it. So even first season
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when I had no levelge coming onto the Housewives, I
had a boyfriend named Jason, and he didn't want to
be on, and they were like then and no, and
I got him to be on, and that was the
scene when he said, let's talk about it later. When
he had already asked for me to move in and
us to live together. I was looking at apartments, but
he didn't want to talk about anything on camera. He
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had a big job at that time, well at any time.
It wasn't great for him and he really didn't want
to be on. So we did one scene and I
had to ask him about the apartment and if we
were going to move in together. But I already knew
that he wanted to move in together because we had
been talking about it, but he didn't want to talk
about it on camera.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So I was saying, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And he was like, we'll talk about it later, and
I'm like on camera dying because I was like that
girl in high school where the boy broke up with
me and I want to like not have everyone know
he broke up with me, and I want to remark it.
And I'm like, what do you mean and he's like,
we'll talk about it later. I'm like, but you don't
want to talk about it now, Like I just wanted
him to say something like I love you, I care
about you, we're going to live together yet, like check
the box. And instead he's like, we'll talk about it later,
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and he's sweating, and I'm like, oh my god, and
I'm dying in the game is moving so fast, and
I am a new housewife, a brand new housewife. I'm
not even a housewife because the show's called Manhattan Moms
and I have no leverage. And it didn't portray this
situation accurately because it wasn't. It made him look like
a dick. But he wasn't being a dick. He just
didn't want to be on camera, Okay, And so that's
(03:22):
on me.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's on me. That's on me.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That's a little on him, but it's on me. And
this is the job that I signed up for. So
this is the job that Rachel's so signed up for.
And this is the job that every housewife that has
had a husband cheating or going away for fraud or
financial problems like, this is what they signed up for.
This is what they're being paid for. So Rachel not
(03:45):
even presumably there is no Presumably she was told we
need to get a scene with you and your kids.
I've done fifteen seasons of reality television, like in my life,
like she was told, we have to get a scene
with your kids. And and Maurice has been on television
with Bravo for years and either got paid or the
kids get paid because of it, or another business or
(04:08):
show he's doing with them or whatever. There's a reason
he gets on He either wants he gets to wear
an agency's T shirt and then he does a scene
with dor Reat, which I saw on social media.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I haven't seen these scenes on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I've seen them all as clips on social media, so
I'm getting just like a snippet of a scene. So
that's a disclaimer, but I know what the deal is.
So if Maurice is sitting at a table with Dori
eat and a clip on TikTok that came to be somehow,
he's not doing it for his health. He's doing it
for his business, for the agency, for a paycheck, for
his kids, whatever. Okay, but that's why he's sitting down
(04:41):
doing it. There's always a risk. So now Rachel gets
in a scene that the producers have said, we got
to get a scene with you and your kids, and
they got to establish her life, and her story is
her divorce. The last time she was on Bravo on TV,
she was with this man, Roger, and that's her story. Like,
you need a story. It can't just be someone just
dressing people like. They don't care if I'm friends with Madonna,
(05:04):
Steven Spielberg or Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's not the stuff that rates. They don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
If Jennifer Garnano's wearing a dress of the Oscars, that's
a fine frosting. But they care about her interaction with
the other people. And her personal life. So now they
don't have Roger to be on the show, and they
need people around her, and you need friends and cousins
and mothers and sisters and country clubs that don't want
to film, and it's not that easy. So now they're like,
we got to get you in your house and see
(05:29):
you doing some reality. What is reality? We want to
see you packing, we want to see you making a sandwich.
We want to see what your life is like in
the morning. What's it like when you make breakfast? So
we need to see you with the kids at the house,
in the kitchen. I don't know what the rest of
that scene was, but it probably was like someone walks
home with their homewark, their backpack. I don't know what
they were. But that's called shoot reality. They'll shoot reality
(05:50):
sometimes that's the whole day. We just want to get
some reality with you. We want to get you driving
in and out of the driveway and talking on the
phone and whatever. Okay, So there's a scene and she's
basically saying, I'm paraphrasing, like, and what's it like now
in the house without your dad being here? And they're like, well,
he wasn't really here. That much anyway, and so now
(06:14):
it's like more and she's like he was a big presence,
et cetera. First of all, I don't solicit or give
unsolicited advice or opinions about people's parenting. And so in
this case, a woman is doing a reality show for reasons,
business reasons, financial reasons, personal reasons, and that those won't
necessarily be divulge. But I've been on the inside and
(06:35):
the outside, and I know there are reasons. It's either money, relevance,
or business or all three, or lack of boredom okay
or whatever it is. So I don't judge parenting. So
now you're in this scene, and I was deeply uncomfortable
because I know how producers operate. I know about their whiteboard.
(06:56):
I know about the needing to get you together and
you need to talk to that person about that thing
and that doesn't want to talk about that thing. And
I know about parenting. I know about Sonya and not
having her child on. I know about Ali Zarn and
her mother taking her to a place that the audience
construed to be a fat camp. So for her whole life,
she was the girl that on television got sent to
fat camp. Avery was the girl that Lan's kids were
(07:20):
the kids that And there are fifty shades of it
because some people do a better job of protecting it,
or just they get lucky. There are a million things,
and some of the kids that you don't hear from
one of the two kids maybe really hates it, doesn't
want to be part of it. Think Rob Kardashian, okay,
or that version on The Housewives. One doesn't want to
be part of it. Or you have a situation like
(07:40):
a woman in Orange County and her kids have talked
about it being a negative aspect of their lives, and
they had substance issues and they've had issues with the law.
That doesn't mean it's because of this. There have been many,
many kids with substance issues and many family issues on
these shows. And you cannot solely blaeame reality television any
(08:01):
more than you can blame reality television.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
For a divorce. But this exists.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And you had a woman, I think it was Dina
Manzo's daughter who did a video saying that she said
something when she was thirteen, and like she's been criticized
for it now because now she's an adult and it's
not like a social media post where you post a
picture of you and your kid and you can take
it down, and yes, someone could have screen grabbed it,
but it's a snippet and you control the content. You
edit it, you post it. You live and die on
(08:28):
that sort. You chose it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Reality TV.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's cooked and they decide how it's served, and it's
served forever. So you're now thirty years old, then you're
trying to date and the clip that they'll look up
is you went to fat camp or whatever. Dina Manzo's
daughter said. She said, and she was deeply embarrassed by it.
So I don't frankly give a shit about the Internet
has to say about me commenting on a medium and kids.
(09:07):
But even the parent of the kid, if the kid
is young or like is an adolescent or a young
teen or tween, they don't know what it's going to
be like for the kid at eighteen, because I haven't
had a kid that's eighteen, So for me, I have
a fifteen year old, and I know that my daughter
doesn't want to post stuff for brands, even if she
(09:29):
could get commercials and modeling and things like that on
her own page. She doesn't want that. She doesn't want
the response from her peers. She doesn't want that kind
of attention. She doesn't want that scrutiny. Kids are dealing
with skin and emotions and grades and body image, and
something that worked when someone was ten or twelve is
different when someone is fifteen, eighteen, twenty five, thirty thirty five, dating, married,
(09:51):
et cetera. It's just different, and you can't know until
it's cooked. So I am not criticizing anyone's parenting. The
parent in the scene doesn't know the effects of splenda
or ozembic or whatever, or being on reality television ten
years from now. It made me deeply uncomfortable because I
(10:13):
have institutional knowledge on this topic, being on the inside,
being on the outside, being a parent, having other people
that I know who have kids who've been in this medium,
having Bella and Gigi Hadid and their mom Bidiam and
mom that wouldn't give them food, and like, all of
these things are real.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is a fact.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Bella Hadib was on TV and people were talking about
her getting into trouble when she was sixteen for like
either a dui or something like it happened to Lewan's
daughter something with a dui like that shit.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
The show puts on because it was in the media.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But it's a dangerous game and there's a price to
reality television.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And that scene, not Rachel, not the kids. That scene
made me.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Deeply on comfortable because of all that I know, and
I will die on that hill.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
The internet was like I dragged Rachel.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I didn't say one word about her at all, nor
would I even said, this is not a digorous swife.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
So Leah McSweeney, she's the.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Only one like sort of that's had an issue with
Bravo that it stood because Andy has befriended anyone who's
taken issue with them, so frankly Brandy and Leo Brandy
I don't believe has a case. But like anyone who's
taken issue against Bravo or Andy Cohen, they have reconciled with,
(11:41):
like a Carol or Anini or a Kathy Griffin, who
have very publicly gone against this realm, they've reconciled. Most
of them didn't have cases or they weren't viable. And
I'm going to educate you on something. And I learned
this from Gretchen Carlson. So Gretchen Carlson went against Fox
and Roger Ayle's was running Fox for sexual I don't
(12:03):
know the word advances or essay or whatever. Okay, there
are contracts with networks and it says something like binding arbitration.
It means you must arbitrary, which I think means like
you can't go to court, and that means that the
dirty laundry won't be aired because the realm who pays
their talent in a certain way so that the talent
(12:26):
is like a contractor and the talent can't be thought
of as an employee. And the reason that's done or
had been done is so the employee can't go against
a realm for violation of an employee. Like in other words,
if an employer celebrated their employee falling off the wagon
doing drugs or drinking and highlighted that, they would obviously
(12:46):
be sued by the employee. Like there are times when
Andy was on a reunion talking to Rachel saying what
medications were you want? And you were medicated, and like
there's some like hippo laws of that violate. It's like
you can't You're not gonna ask your employployee, but the
drugs you're taking for your situation. But there's a technicality
with reality employees that they're not technically employees because of this,
(13:07):
because the nature of the content is all about like
conflict and drugs and abuse and bankruptcy and all these
things and sexuality and all this stuff that it would
be a violation of okay. So Bretchen Carlson has highlighted
that that's like a flaw in the system that you're
kind of it's almost like an NDA. It's not quite
an NDA, but you're kind of like gagged because no
(13:28):
one's ever going to really know about any conflict that
the employee and the employer have that the talent and
the networker streamer would have. So Leah McSweeney has had
a case against Bravo. Now, you may love your reality TV,
and that is fine. It is an outlet great be entertained, enjoy.
(13:49):
And you may love when Lee is running around with
tiki torches, or when someone gets fucked up or naked wasted,
or someone's in a bathroom pressuring someone because they're naked
wasted on the OC. Like, you could love all of
that and you can find it entertaining because you're not
expected to be the police and to like start judging
how something goes down. Sometimes you don't even realize how
(14:10):
it goes down. You're a viewer, okay, But when Leah's
on the Tiki torches, there's stuff going on behind the scenes,
and she has a case against Bravos saying that they
really did sort of pressure her to drink, celebrate her drink,
make it difficult for her to be sober, and like
they did say, don't worry, this person's gonna drink, like
(14:31):
a person who had stopped drinking, and the head of
the production company said, well, I mean, listen, of course
Blank is going to drink, like and of course this
person's gonna fall off the wagon, like in a way
that it was like, well, they were slurring in the morning,
like excited that this person wasn't staying sober because it's
better for television when that person is drunk, because they're
(14:52):
gonna fly off the handle, because especially if someone's an addict,
they are more mercurial with the substance. Like if I drink,
I might say something on television and I might say
more than I normally would, but I'm not mercurial as
a result of an addiction, which is a different type
of person, like a person who's an addict who falls
off a wagon or drinks or does drugs like they're
(15:15):
gonna have an emotion about it. It's literally a disease
and it's an addiction, so there's like a chemical aspect
to it. It's like just add water. They're gonna become
like a gremlin when you add water. So I'm not
gonna become a gremlin. I might become a little more loosey, goosey, funny, honest. Oh,
I loved buzz Bethany, but it's not gonna be fucking
blackout Leah with the tiki torches.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So her case is about that.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And I'm not saying that anyone ever plied us with
or poured alcohol down our throats. It was always readily available,
it was never stopped down, it was never discouraged. There
was no drink limit, just like they have in the
UK and they now are much more serious about since
the Reality reckoning. But it was definitely celebrated, promoted, highlighted,
expected and like amorized. You know, I mean, listen, look
(16:02):
at us in Tequila Mexico. We were I brought everyone
to Tequila Mexico. I invented the skinny margarita and the
skinny Girl brand the fastest growing like a random history
at the time. I am not saying I'm a stranger
to a cocktail. I'm saying that the production, the producers,
and the network deeply enjoy, promote and celebrate when someone's
(16:26):
getting fucked up, or they did in my realm in
my era, and would talk about it and like bet
on it, you know, bet on someone falling up their sobriety. Okay,
So Leah's case has now gone far enough to go
back in front of this judge, and this judge is
named Lineman, and this judge also works on another big
cases and sort of doesn't seem to have a tolerance
(16:48):
for like getting away with it because you're like sort
of you know, famous and a big powerful media entity.
So this judge when Bravo basically came in and said like, no,
we want to like hail Mary pass to do arbitration,
like they don't want it to be seen in front
of a court.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The judge was like, what are you talking. No, you
don't get to just like.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Stroll in here and get your way because you don't
want anyone to know about this situation. So there was
definitely a move in the case, and it was a
point for Leah. And I mean, she's the little trade
engine that could. And like I said, you could hate her.
You could say they didn't make her drink. She's an addict,
don't get wasted. You could say whatever you want. You
could hate her. You probably don't like her. She's also
(17:32):
threatening your you know, fun reality TV, which she is in,
because reality TV will last and live on. It's just
being made in a different way now, yes, in part.
And you're welcome because the reality reckoning when people say
what happened to it, it happened, is happening.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's still happening.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But people were team Johnny Depp and then they were
team Amber heard and not until it was in court
did the truth come out, so you could think whatever
you want. There was an episode with Brandy Glanville, not
(18:17):
an episode. There's a season in Morocco of Housewives Ultimate
Girls Trip with Brandy Lanville and Carole Amanzo that has
never seen the light of day. Do you think Bravo
spends millions of dollars on TV shows and they don't
see the light of day. Something fucked up went on
there that they don't want people to see. And it's
between the Carolyn and Brandy and the accusations. But like
(18:38):
shit goes on, Okay, I've seen the shit go on.
You've seen producers hooking up a talent, you've seen drugs,
You've seen all of it. Shit goes on, and it
used to be the wild, wild West. So Lea just
got a check mark and maybe going to court and
then you'll see what did or didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I literally don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm just telling you my perspective based on what I've
seen as an experienced, seasoned reality television show cast member.
But the judge had previously dismissed the case, saying that
the show had the right to make whatever show it wanted.
So it's a whole mixed story. Okay, so this could
be bullshit. I don't know, but I want to believe it.
(19:20):
And I don't know why, but I'm invested in Tom Brady.
I don't know why. He gets a lot of shit
and a lot of hate and he always has and
I get it because also you have rabid sports fans.
You've got Boston. I guess years ago it was the Flakegate.
He's super famous. If he's super good looking, he's really successful.
He gets a decent amount of hate for someone that,
to me, minds his own business. Yes, he's been involved
(19:43):
in different businesses and some have been problematic. He can't
predict that he invested in something. It went sideways, like
you're gonna fucking be out there, you're gonna make an ALMESD.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You're gonna crack some eggs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So like I'm gonna say, I'm team Tom, not Againstjoselle.
I don't know anything about his I'm just like team Tom.
I'm on the Tom team. So I heard that Tom
Brad might be dating Scooter Braun's ex.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I feel like I know her. She will have to
speak to that. Her name is so familiar to me,
Yille Cohen, y'ell Cohen Braun. So the name sounds like
she's Jewish, which I don't think Tom Brady's dated a
Jewish woman before, and so that's interesting to me. She's
in her late thirties. I like that age for him.
(20:25):
She seems attractive, like seems smart. I don't know a lot,
but like seems smart. I literally looked her up for
thirty seconds when I saw they might be dating, and
it might have said like activist or something. I don't know,
Like she stands for something. I don't know what, but
she stands for something. And she was married to Scooter Braun,
who's like he was the peacock in that relationship, and
(20:48):
now she's with Tom Brady, and Tom is obviously the
peacock in this relationship. But like, I don't know, you
date Tom Brady, you are a partial peacock. You date
time I'm Brady, You're a partial peacock. Like Scooter Braun
is successful. Scooter Braun is with Scarlet Johanson and most
(21:09):
people don't really care.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like he's a business guy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I've messaged him before, I've watched his social media, like
I've been interested in him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I met him once.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He did Allan a favor and put Justin Bieber on
my talk show. But like Scooter bron is Scooter Braun
and fucking your ex, possibly dating or being linked to Tom.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Brady is gonna leave a fucking mark.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Stocks rise when you are linked to Tom Brady. Stocks rise,
n stocks rise when you're linked to Scarlet. But for
some reason, I don't know why the Scooter stock is
not rising in the same way.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I don't know why. I don't make the rules.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I know that Tom was like for one second, was
he maybe linked? Why don't say Scarlett Johansson, Who the
fuck's wrong with me? Not Scarlett Johanson, Sidney Sweeney, scratch
that striker from the record, Sidney Sweeney's dating Scooter Braun.
And I think she was like linked to Tom Brady,
but it was fake news. I think it was at
the Bezos wedding, so I think it was fake news.
(22:12):
But again, you get linked to Tom Brady and stocks rise,
and yes, yes, being linked to Sidney Sweeney, presumably your
stock rises. It's just not the same when someone has
called you the goat, stocks are going to rise. So
I like him with a Jewish woman. I don't know why.
I don't know why, just because it's different. I like
him with a woman in her late thirties. I think
(22:34):
it's age of probes. I like him with a smart woman.
I like him with a smart woman. He's a successful quarterback,
and as I've said previously on this show, that's a
smart position. You need to be smart, you need to
be a thinker. He needs to be with someone smart.
So that's what I have to say about.
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