March 21, 2026 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I called my podcast team to say let's go
early in the morning, nine o'clock because I wanted to
talk about something that I had no knowledge of twenty
four hours ago. So I have never heard of Taylor
Frankie Paul Is that her name?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
A woman who.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Evidently is on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and
then got a gig on The Bachelorette as the Bachelorette
because she did a post saying that the only way
she would ever go back to reality TV would be
on the Bachelorette, And so I guess she's not on
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the Secret Lives of My Mormon Wives anymore. She said
the only reason she'd go back to reality But or
do I the reality Tv irrelevant? Okay, So yesterday Danielle
for my team sends me a video. I'd seen her
name all over yesterday I saw she talked to Laura
Spencer about something and they were like, well, wait, weren't
you an executive producer on the show, and she was
like something. They cut something out and it was like, really,
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in the background, I was not paying attention when we're
talking about a bachelorrette and I just wasn't paying attention.
So yesterday Danielle from my team sends me a video
and she's like did you see this?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Watch this?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'm like what, and she's like, no, this is
what happened. And this woman's on the show and she
got into a domestic violence argument with her husband. I
think it's her husband or her life partner. And there's
a baby crying in the background, and that's when like
I gasped, I'm like what. So I watched it reluctantly,
like just meaning like I'm not invested. I don't know
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what she's talking about. And I was like wait before
I even watch I go wait a second. So she's
the bachelorette, but she threw a chair across a room,
like and she's like, yeah, they've had a history of
domestic violence. I'm like who, Like, was it that it
was him that she was accusing of domestic violence? But
now he leaked a video that it's really her, And
(02:13):
that was the first like red flag for me being
like wait what now understand I so intimately understand this
very nuanced, specific particular matter with the ex well, no,
I do understand it with a child exactly at that age,
but I don't understand it with a child at that age.
Somebody leaked a video and that definitely means it was
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her ex and he went in circles texting his friends
and his family members, saying, well, what if you got
it off my phone? What if I sent it to you? Now,
I don't know what agreement he has with her. If
he has none, then he can send out any video
he wants, except that there was a child involved, So
that would be bad parenting, presumably because the child I
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would one day see it. It would be if they
were in a custody battle, which they weren't, then it
would be something that could violate the custody battle because
you're not allowed to disparage the other person.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It could violate a divorce agreement.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I've realized the hard way that abiding by all of
the binding factors of a custody or a divorce contract
is a fool's errand it's a dumb thing to do.
And I did it for a while until I didn't
do it, and then that's when I got some relief
and some help.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The only way.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm not saying people should be violating divorce agreements and
custody agreements, but I'm saying this issue is reminding me
of it. And we stopped my divorce podcast because of
how like it tiptoed into a problematic area. But I
can still talk about divorce, and I'm going to more
because never in the history of this podcast did we
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have higher engagement than divorce, like millions and millions and
millions because people just wanted to hear my story for
whatever reason. And you know what, producers, I'm going to
start telling the story the story again in a different
way so we can get by okay, because people still
stop me on the street and say, why didn't you
talk about it? So last night I started talking about
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this matter that I'm going to get into with you,
and I know I go in circles, but like it's
just the way.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
My brain works, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is the woman from The Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul
that was about to air in a week, I think
The Bachelorette. She's about on a promo tour for The Bachelorette.
So we're getting all the pieces backwards, and I certainly
am getting on backwards with you because you've probably not
heard of her, or you've heard of her, but you
don't know this intimately, but trust me not because I'm
(04:44):
the smartest person in the room. Because every comment is
aligned with what I said in three viral videos, I
seem to be picking it up or I'm picking it
up in a way that is coming in with a
fresh set of eyes that is the most logical perspective
as a result, that makes any s sense.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Like you read news stories as you.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Go and people take you on different journeys and you
barely know what you thought to begin with. You know,
it could be Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, it could
be Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
If you know too much, you know too little.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So basically I walk into this cold and I start
developing an analysis based on it, but also on the
reality reckoning which I started, which many people will be like, oh,
whatever happened. Is like you don't just wave a wand
and the next day something happens. Many things have been
happening with the reality reckoning. Not to mention that there
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are so many lawsuits underneath that you guys don't know
that are coming to Fruition now, cases that will be
seen in court cases from production members that are totally
ignored and invisible crew members that have been personally violated.
So there's a lot going on, and this like sort
of touches so many areas that I understand intimately. I
understand reality television intimately from an expert perspective, as a
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p as a cast member, as a talent, as a
brand builder, as one of the most valuable commodities in
that space that literally moved the market, moved ratings. I
understand abuse in the home and being painted as a villain,
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and being manipulated and not being able to say anything
and being silenced and having to navigate so many things
with a child, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I also.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Understand recording someone being advised to record someone. I understand
someone recording me and following me, and I understand lawyers
telling people to record things. I also understand physical abuse,
domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I was in a household of domestic violence.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like, I understand every aspect of this issue that I
have nothing to do with, so intimately. Okay, so we
get a video that is released yesterday. What happens at
the same time times a video is released and ABC
quickly says we are canceling this season of The Bachelorette.
This is up to one hundred million dollar enterprise when
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you get into the merch and the touring and all
of the stuff. Like, on its face, I think it
probably makes thirty to fifty million or fifty million on
its own per year, but when you take everything else
that's derivative from it, it's insane. They're literally taking one
hundred million dollar loss. And I also have specific tya
on how the whole decision got made to cast her.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So they're taking one hundred million dollar loss.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And it's a video that then we see, and it's
a woman who's presumably drunk and like out of her mind,
throwing a chair at someone who's recording it. And the
way he's recording it is so hidden because you see
that it's like muffled and it's barely there. So I
get that, you know, someone told him to record it
or he recorded it. And now there's a baby screaming
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in the background because she's thrown a chair that he
is claiming hit her child, okay, and she's saying, it's
your fault, you did this, okay. Now there are ten
things to unpack about this. Number One, I go to
research if she had a history of this, if any
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of this is known because this video is from twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, so this video has just been leaked.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
He leaked it, So he either leaked it because he
wants her to be the villain and he's the villain,
or because she's the villain, or that they're both villains,
but he wants to be painted as the hero. So
the first question I ask is like, wait, I remember
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being on the phone with Danielle and her saying they
have a history of this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
ABC knew this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I then find out that the reason that ABC
casts her is like it's a redemption story. She's done
the journey, she's worked on herself. I go over to
her page later last night and see people like applauding
her that like I know of, So they couldn't put
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her on if they think she's some villains. They put
her on because it's a redemption tour and they like
controversy and scandal. Getting back to the reality reckoning parking
it for a minute, but we'll go back to that.
So they hire her the first ever non Bachelor Nation
person to be on this show. Now I have auditioned
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and made it through for reality television, and they quote
unquote lol do background checks. They also quote unquote lol
do psychological testing, but they know that she has a
history of domestic violence, giving or taking or being a
part of Okay, there was a man on social media
that did a video about a white woman and that
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she's a white woman and that if this were a
black woman, and I basically saw two seconds of the
video and I got what he was saying, and I
understand what he's saying, like she's been a part of
a domestic violence situation in her household, and it's not
clear whether it was her or him and both she
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stayed with him, whatever it is, unless it's just that
they think she was abused, she was abused, and this
is because you're not going to victimize someone who was abused.
But I don't know what they thought, but they hired her,
and then I do a video on this saying like
there was a baby in the room and this woman
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was in a video where she's throwing chairs. And ABC
knew about her being in a domestic violence household, so
they like scandal and Redemption and they put her in
the show. So why don't they keep the show going
if they knew about this incident? And also there's there
were police in the video, so that means that police
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showed up. So the incident, if they do a basic
bitch background check, the police report is in there. So
then presumably they hired her because she is on a
redemption tour. So then roll the tape, like, what do
you mean? You can't play stupid and smart at the
same time. But I guess the visual the picture being
worth worth a thousand words and the audio being worth
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a thousand words.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know. They pull it, they pull it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Someone's getting fired, like this could take down the entire
Bachelor Show because they've had enough scandal. Okay, they've had
a lot of scandal, and they've had a big ratings
drop in conjunction to boot whatever. Okay, so now I'm
always going to go to the comments and find out
what people are saying, and many people. Then I realized
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that there's an issue about recording, because I remember not
until very late in the game recording sometimes after many,
many times of systematic bullying and abuse that I start
recording and have audio of very problematic. I've had experience
with systematic verbal abuse in the presence of a child.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And to release it unleashes a whole thing. Maybe you've
signed something you're never allowed to disparage and you feel
shackled by it. I mean, now, with a clearer brain,
you would always release it. Like how could you not
release it? Right? It's just there are legal matters and
then there are a court of public opinion matters.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Going by the legal matter and by the you have
a child matter, that's one road. There's the court of
public opinion matter, and you maybe want the world to
know and that could affect legal matters, Like judges can't
really ignore the court of public opinion because the Internet
has made it so gigantic. Okay, I will say that
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in my situation, I always played it by the book,
which is not very me.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
If it could have a very very high risk result
on something that was not financial or it was so
problematic emotionally for me or another party, then I would
break the rules. Like you have to be very calculated
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in your decisions about when to break the rules. Okay,
this guy doesn't seem to have any rules. He was
still in a relationship with her, and I don't know
why he didn't release it years ago, but he released
it now and he shut down one hundred million dollar enterprise. Okay,
so that was something I was discussing about how people
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want to release it because they want people to know
the other person is abusive, and a lot of times
if you're the quiet party or the non moneyed or
non famous party, people won't know how you're being treated.
Another side of the coin that is a big public
debate and discussion is reactive abuse. He got her to
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a point, or he's abused her to a point where
now she's abusing him, and that's when he decides to
record it. So he baits her, which the video does
sound like it has some bait in it. He's but
the third part is, yes, you want the person to
do it because they maybe they've done it so many
times when no one saw it. If a tree falls
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and no one heard it, did it really fall? Here's
what I think. I'm not discounting that he's an abuser.
I'm not discounting that she's an abuser. I'm not discounting
that they're both abusers. I'm not discounting that they're both
toxic abusers in a toxic household. What is undebatable, undeniable
is that there was a child, a baby. I think
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it's a toddler present in that household where in a
room where a chair was thrown. What the actual fuck
and whatever that police report was they said there was
a child present. I don't understand what the fuck happened
with the Redemption tour. I don't understand anything. The only
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language I speak and have always spoken, is in the
interest of the child. They can be two abusers abusing,
they can be toxic. That's a different conversation. I was
that child times ten. I have seen wrist slashing, human
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dragged by hair, pulling, phone beating the one party on
the head coming after she came home from a nightclub.
I have witnessed knives between two people, like knife fights.
I have witnessed full fledge abuse, and I have witnessed
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both parties being psychotic, insane, toxic drugs, abuse, locked out
of a house, punch your fist through the window. I
was the child of that household. That is the fucking problem.
And that is where you lost ABC. You lost ABC
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not on them abusing each other. You lost ABC on
a child screaming in the background. Nothing else to say,
like nothing else to say. How the internet is debating
reactive abuse with that factor.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No way.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It's the people that have been an abusive household, that
have snapped and done crazy things that they could never
imagine what they would do that are saying that, which
I get. There's no amount of crazy that should supersede
a child, So you certainly shouldn't be on TV if
any amount of alcohol, crazy, prodding, abuse, bait, anything would
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lead you to throw a chair in a room where
you know a child is present. That is just where.
That is where the line is. And I fucking I
was there. It's so crazy for me to say that
I was in the room. My stepfather was beating my
mother with the phone with the koily cord that like
you pick up like it lays down on its side
like a half moon almost, and beating the shit out
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of her and yelling into me, telling me everything she did,
like why she's you know, a cunt, and why she
went out to Studio fifty four, and like I was
that child. It's a fact, but it doesn't matter. But yeah,
and I thought it was normal. I thought it was normal.
I don't remember it as normal, but it was normal
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It was normal to me. And that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I a Bachelor tee that I never told I have
Bachelor tea. So back to the story, someone that I
know and work with was going to be was up
for the Bachelor to be one of the women vying
for the guy. Immediately now as seem and I need
to see, that's a desperado job, no thank you, but
a easier job to get. They were doing the Bachelor
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because the ratings were down.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They needed a hail Mary pass.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
They needed a hail Mary pass, so they totally had
to email people, they had to switch courses, and they
said they were going to do the Bachelorette instead. And
that's how this happened because the bat because she did
a video which was her hail Mary pass saying that
the only reality TV she would do is the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Then they called her fuck.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Around and find out you go make stupid you play
stupid games, you play super prizes. They should have stuck
with the Bachelor dance with the one who brung you.
So they went and they left Bachelor Nation. They found
someone from a fucking reality show because guess what else
people Reality reckoning ABC, NBCCBS. Reality is not the same
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as Hodgepodge flea market, bag of bullshit, wild wild West,
fuck around and find out non network television reality TV. Okay,
what happened was ABC left the nest and the realm
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of doing reality television. The ABC, the Mark Burnett, the
Jerry Bruckheimer, who I used to work for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That model.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
They left that model and went over to the dark
side to where the fucking Mormon wives live. And they
thought that they could cross pollinate. Okay, they thought that,
like someone could marry their cousin and it would work out.
But the bachelor marrying a Mormon wife didn't work out,
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So well, fuck around and find out. That's why the
dumpster Fire over there on Bravo. That's why the reality reckoning.
When I talk about it, I'm not really talking about
ABC and NBC and CBS. I'm talking about Dumpster Fire
University DFU, which is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Over there where.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Literally, I was shooting a television show years ago before
I had a contract, Hand to God, because of me
on the real Housewise, that's why they started giving people
contracts before filming. Can you even fucking believe it? I
shot a scene of women playing tennis, zero contract. It
aired because later they had to come back and scramble,
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and I know the executives, and I was talking to
one the other day about that moment when I was
pitching another show to Bravo and they were sitting there
going they ran at the flag pole, going what the
fuck is she doing on this show? I was like,
I'm on on that show. I just shot a couple
scenes for that show. I don't have a contract. I
have assigned a contract. Unheard of Wild Wild West. Where
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someone is in a bathroom that sorry, where women are saying,
this is not against Tamera and VICKI. This is don't
hate the player, hate the game. Women who have to
get ratings, who are saying, let's get a woman naked, wated.
Then you hear the son of one of the women
pressuring her in the bathroom. Production keeps going. She's saying,
no production keeps going. Below deck, She's saying, no production
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keeps going. The stories are endless. The reality reckoning is
has and will be real, and the shit will still
come from underneath.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, somebody at Drinda's house like a waiter. I've seen
crazy shit.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I've seen producers wait with baited breath, hoping the person
who's off the wagon on the wagon will fall off.
You could hate Liah mcsweety. You could hate her. You
could hate her character, you could hate her demise. You
could hate that you loved her then you didn't like her.
You could hate that she's taking away your candy and
your entertainment. Fine breaking news. What she's saying tracks. What
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she is saying tracks. And it's no mistake or coincidence
that every person that had an issue with Bravo, that
every person has had an issue with Bravo has either
been asked back or given a show hush money. This
is a fact. I'm the only one you can't buy.
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So I'm the only one that hasn't made up with them.
And I don't have a fight with them. That's the
funniest part. I don't have a fight. I have a
fight about the realm and what happened. I have a
problem Rachel Levis, she cheated. You think she was a hooker,
you think she was a war you think she was
a terrible person. That's your opinion. The facts remain that
on television she was bullied systematically, and the person who
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was the producer of the show and the face of
the network was egging it on and telling her she
can't leave while she's being abused and asked her about
all her drugs. You can hate Danielle from Jersey. You
can think she is You could think she's a prostitution horror.
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You can think that a person on television can't repeatedly
call her that and then they use it as a
song in a rap song that was done by like
that was. Of course you can't find it. It's been
scrubbed by Jeff Lewis and the woman that he was
doing the raps with on the show. They had a
song called prostitution Horror, and they had an exhibit at
Bravocon called prostitution Horror. What the woman did is one thing.
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It doesn't mean you beat the shit out of her
as a result. Someone can be a prostitute. Does that
mean someone's supposed to she's not a prostitute, I'm saying
on the streets. Does that mean someone supposed to abuse her?
Two wrongs don't make a right. So whatever she did
in her own personal life in her past that was
in a book, doesn't mean someone supposed to physically abuse her.
And by the way, not blaming Teresa, not blaming Teresa,
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not blaming VICKI, not blaming Tamera, not blaming me for
screaming in someone's face for anything, not blaming them, blaming
a network for celebrating, reverberating, concentrating, highlighting, and continuing.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
To exponentially.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What's the fucking word when you make something bigger, like whatever,
like it expanding?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
There's a word? Who cares you?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Guys know the word something that's already happened. So prostitution
whor is a great example of someone that many of
you do not like. Leah is a great example of
somebody that many of you do not like. Doesn't mean
that what she said isn't true, It doesn't mean the
behavior is correct. And I'd like to tie the ABC
Bachelorette thing to an entire season of reality television in
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Mara Go that is gone, dissolved, never to be seen.
Do you think Bravo likes to spend millions of dollars
on shows and then have them not air when they
won't give a housewife a car service and let her
make a stop like you go to and from a
Bravo event. You have a car service, you can't go
like stop off and go have a drink after you're
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dumped off like a freaking carcass on the side of
the road after you've just done work for Bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So anyway, they're not going.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
To lose a whole season unless the shit went sideways
between Brandy and Caroline Manzo. So I don't care if
you don't like your candy taken away. I'm not trying
to take your candy away. I'm just trying to say
that these are workplaces and they have been manipulatively, if
that's even a word, which is not, they have been
manipulatively turned into non workplaces to cover the asses of
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the people employing them, to say, yes, abuses there, yes,
alcohol abuses there, Yes, physical abuses there, yes, uh incarceration
and do UIs. But we are not the employers because
they are not employees, because they are independent contractors, though
we are paying them, requiring they be somewhere, requiring they
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go on trips, requiring they do what we tell them,
and in any other sense of the world, they're employees.
That was the big issue that we didn't that wasn't
in my post because it wasn't directly about the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You're welcome
So I called my podcast team to say let's go
early in the morning, nine o'clock because I wanted to
talk about something that I had no knowledge of twenty
four hours ago. So I have never heard of Taylor
Frankie Paul Is that her name?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
A woman who.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Evidently is on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and
then got a gig on The Bachelorette as the Bachelorette
because she did a post saying that the only way
she would ever go back to reality TV would be
on the Bachelorette, And so I guess she's not on
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the Secret Lives of My Mormon Wives anymore. She said
the only reason she'd go back to reality But or
do I the reality Tv irrelevant? Okay, So yesterday Danielle
for my team sends me a video. I'd seen her
name all over yesterday I saw she talked to Laura
Spencer about something and they were like, well, wait, weren't
you an executive producer on the show, and she was
like something. They cut something out and it was like, really,
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in the background, I was not paying attention when we're
talking about a bachelorrette and I just wasn't paying attention.
So yesterday Danielle from my team sends me a video
and she's like did you see this?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Watch this?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'm like what, and she's like, no, this is
what happened. And this woman's on the show and she
got into a domestic violence argument with her husband. I
think it's her husband or her life partner. And there's
a baby crying in the background, and that's when like
I gasped, I'm like what. So I watched it reluctantly,
like just meaning like I'm not invested. I don't know
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what she's talking about. And I was like wait before
I even watch I go wait a second. So she's
the bachelorette, but she threw a chair across a room,
like and she's like, yeah, they've had a history of
domestic violence. I'm like who, Like, was it that it
was him that she was accusing of domestic violence? But
now he leaked a video that it's really her, And
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that was the first like red flag for me being
like wait what now understand I so intimately understand this
very nuanced, specific particular matter with the ex well, no,
I do understand it with a child exactly at that age,
but I don't understand it with a child at that age.
Somebody leaked a video and that definitely means it was
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her ex and he went in circles texting his friends
and his family members, saying, well, what if you got
it off my phone? What if I sent it to you? Now,
I don't know what agreement he has with her. If
he has none, then he can send out any video
he wants, except that there was a child involved, So
that would be bad parenting, presumably because the child I
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would one day see it. It would be if they
were in a custody battle, which they weren't, then it
would be something that could violate the custody battle because
you're not allowed to disparage the other person.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It could violate a divorce agreement.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I've realized the hard way that abiding by all of
the binding factors of a custody or a divorce contract
is a fool's errand it's a dumb thing to do.
And I did it for a while until I didn't
do it, and then that's when I got some relief
and some help.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The only way.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm not saying people should be violating divorce agreements and
custody agreements, but I'm saying this issue is reminding me
of it. And we stopped my divorce podcast because of
how like it tiptoed into a problematic area. But I
can still talk about divorce, and I'm going to more
because never in the history of this podcast did we
(03:55):
have higher engagement than divorce, like millions and millions and
millions because people just wanted to hear my story for
whatever reason. And you know what, producers, I'm going to
start telling the story the story again in a different
way so we can get by okay, because people still
stop me on the street and say, why didn't you
talk about it? So last night I started talking about
(04:17):
this matter that I'm going to get into with you,
and I know I go in circles, but like it's
just the way.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
My brain works, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is the woman from The Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul
that was about to air in a week, I think
The Bachelorette. She's about on a promo tour for The Bachelorette.
So we're getting all the pieces backwards, and I certainly
am getting on backwards with you because you've probably not
heard of her, or you've heard of her, but you
don't know this intimately, but trust me not because I'm
(04:44):
the smartest person in the room. Because every comment is
aligned with what I said in three viral videos, I
seem to be picking it up or I'm picking it
up in a way that is coming in with a
fresh set of eyes that is the most logical perspective
as a result, that makes any s sense.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Like you read news stories as you.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Go and people take you on different journeys and you
barely know what you thought to begin with. You know,
it could be Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, it could
be Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
If you know too much, you know too little.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So basically I walk into this cold and I start
developing an analysis based on it, but also on the
reality reckoning which I started, which many people will be like, oh,
whatever happened. Is like you don't just wave a wand
and the next day something happens. Many things have been
happening with the reality reckoning. Not to mention that there
(05:34):
are so many lawsuits underneath that you guys don't know
that are coming to Fruition now, cases that will be
seen in court cases from production members that are totally
ignored and invisible crew members that have been personally violated.
So there's a lot going on, and this like sort
of touches so many areas that I understand intimately. I
understand reality television intimately from an expert perspective, as a
(05:59):
p as a cast member, as a talent, as a
brand builder, as one of the most valuable commodities in
that space that literally moved the market, moved ratings. I
understand abuse in the home and being painted as a villain,
(06:20):
and being manipulated and not being able to say anything
and being silenced and having to navigate so many things
with a child, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I also.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Understand recording someone being advised to record someone. I understand
someone recording me and following me, and I understand lawyers
telling people to record things. I also understand physical abuse,
domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I was in a household of domestic violence.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like, I understand every aspect of this issue that I
have nothing to do with, so intimately. Okay, so we
get a video that is released yesterday. What happens at
the same time times a video is released and ABC
quickly says we are canceling this season of The Bachelorette.
This is up to one hundred million dollar enterprise when
(07:09):
you get into the merch and the touring and all
of the stuff. Like, on its face, I think it
probably makes thirty to fifty million or fifty million on
its own per year, but when you take everything else
that's derivative from it, it's insane. They're literally taking one
hundred million dollar loss. And I also have specific tya
on how the whole decision got made to cast her.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So they're taking one hundred million dollar loss.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
And it's a video that then we see, and it's
a woman who's presumably drunk and like out of her mind,
throwing a chair at someone who's recording it. And the
way he's recording it is so hidden because you see
that it's like muffled and it's barely there. So I
get that, you know, someone told him to record it
or he recorded it. And now there's a baby screaming
(07:57):
in the background because she's thrown a chair that he
is claiming hit her child, okay, and she's saying, it's
your fault, you did this, okay. Now there are ten
things to unpack about this. Number One, I go to
research if she had a history of this, if any
(08:19):
of this is known because this video is from twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, so this video has just been leaked.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
He leaked it, So he either leaked it because he
wants her to be the villain and he's the villain,
or because she's the villain, or that they're both villains,
but he wants to be painted as the hero. So
the first question I ask is like, wait, I remember
(08:46):
being on the phone with Danielle and her saying they
have a history of this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
ABC knew this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I then find out that the reason that ABC
casts her is like it's a redemption story. She's done
the journey, she's worked on herself. I go over to
her page later last night and see people like applauding
her that like I know of, So they couldn't put
(09:19):
her on if they think she's some villains. They put
her on because it's a redemption tour and they like
controversy and scandal. Getting back to the reality reckoning parking
it for a minute, but we'll go back to that.
So they hire her the first ever non Bachelor Nation
person to be on this show. Now I have auditioned
(09:40):
and made it through for reality television, and they quote
unquote lol do background checks. They also quote unquote lol
do psychological testing, but they know that she has a
history of domestic violence, giving or taking or being a
part of Okay, there was a man on social media
that did a video about a white woman and that
(10:00):
she's a white woman and that if this were a
black woman, and I basically saw two seconds of the
video and I got what he was saying, and I
understand what he's saying, like she's been a part of
a domestic violence situation in her household, and it's not
clear whether it was her or him and both she
(10:21):
stayed with him, whatever it is, unless it's just that
they think she was abused, she was abused, and this
is because you're not going to victimize someone who was abused.
But I don't know what they thought, but they hired her,
and then I do a video on this saying like
there was a baby in the room and this woman
(10:41):
was in a video where she's throwing chairs. And ABC
knew about her being in a domestic violence household, so
they like scandal and Redemption and they put her in
the show. So why don't they keep the show going
if they knew about this incident? And also there's there
were police in the video, so that means that police
(11:02):
showed up. So the incident, if they do a basic
bitch background check, the police report is in there. So
then presumably they hired her because she is on a
redemption tour. So then roll the tape, like, what do
you mean? You can't play stupid and smart at the
same time. But I guess the visual the picture being
worth worth a thousand words and the audio being worth
(11:25):
a thousand words.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't know. They pull it, they pull it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Someone's getting fired, like this could take down the entire
Bachelor Show because they've had enough scandal. Okay, they've had
a lot of scandal, and they've had a big ratings
drop in conjunction to boot whatever. Okay, so now I'm
always going to go to the comments and find out
what people are saying, and many people. Then I realized
(11:51):
that there's an issue about recording, because I remember not
until very late in the game recording sometimes after many,
many times of systematic bullying and abuse that I start
recording and have audio of very problematic. I've had experience
with systematic verbal abuse in the presence of a child.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And to release it unleashes a whole thing. Maybe you've
signed something you're never allowed to disparage and you feel
shackled by it. I mean, now, with a clearer brain,
you would always release it. Like how could you not
release it? Right? It's just there are legal matters and
then there are a court of public opinion matters.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Going by the legal matter and by the you have
a child matter, that's one road. There's the court of
public opinion matter, and you maybe want the world to
know and that could affect legal matters, Like judges can't
really ignore the court of public opinion because the Internet
has made it so gigantic. Okay, I will say that
(12:58):
in my situation, I always played it by the book,
which is not very me.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Not always.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
If it could have a very very high risk result
on something that was not financial or it was so
problematic emotionally for me or another party, then I would
break the rules. Like you have to be very calculated
(13:25):
in your decisions about when to break the rules. Okay,
this guy doesn't seem to have any rules. He was
still in a relationship with her, and I don't know
why he didn't release it years ago, but he released
it now and he shut down one hundred million dollar enterprise. Okay,
so that was something I was discussing about how people
(13:45):
want to release it because they want people to know
the other person is abusive, and a lot of times
if you're the quiet party or the non moneyed or
non famous party, people won't know how you're being treated.
Another side of the coin that is a big public
debate and discussion is reactive abuse. He got her to
(14:06):
a point, or he's abused her to a point where
now she's abusing him, and that's when he decides to
record it. So he baits her, which the video does
sound like it has some bait in it. He's but
the third part is, yes, you want the person to
do it because they maybe they've done it so many
times when no one saw it. If a tree falls
(14:27):
and no one heard it, did it really fall? Here's
what I think. I'm not discounting that he's an abuser.
I'm not discounting that she's an abuser. I'm not discounting
that they're both abusers. I'm not discounting that they're both
toxic abusers in a toxic household. What is undebatable, undeniable
is that there was a child, a baby. I think
(14:50):
it's a toddler present in that household where in a
room where a chair was thrown. What the actual fuck
and whatever that police report was they said there was
a child present. I don't understand what the fuck happened
with the Redemption tour. I don't understand anything. The only
(15:10):
language I speak and have always spoken, is in the
interest of the child. They can be two abusers abusing,
they can be toxic. That's a different conversation. I was
that child times ten. I have seen wrist slashing, human
(15:31):
dragged by hair, pulling, phone beating the one party on
the head coming after she came home from a nightclub.
I have witnessed knives between two people, like knife fights.
I have witnessed full fledge abuse, and I have witnessed
(15:51):
both parties being psychotic, insane, toxic drugs, abuse, locked out
of a house, punch your fist through the window. I
was the child of that household. That is the fucking problem.
And that is where you lost ABC. You lost ABC
(16:14):
not on them abusing each other. You lost ABC on
a child screaming in the background. Nothing else to say,
like nothing else to say. How the internet is debating
reactive abuse with that factor.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No way.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It's the people that have been an abusive household, that
have snapped and done crazy things that they could never
imagine what they would do that are saying that, which
I get. There's no amount of crazy that should supersede
a child, So you certainly shouldn't be on TV if
any amount of alcohol, crazy, prodding, abuse, bait, anything would
(16:58):
lead you to throw a chair in a room where
you know a child is present. That is just where.
That is where the line is. And I fucking I
was there. It's so crazy for me to say that
I was in the room. My stepfather was beating my
mother with the phone with the koily cord that like
you pick up like it lays down on its side
like a half moon almost, and beating the shit out
(17:20):
of her and yelling into me, telling me everything she did,
like why she's you know, a cunt, and why she
went out to Studio fifty four, and like I was
that child. It's a fact, but it doesn't matter. But yeah,
and I thought it was normal. I thought it was normal.
I don't remember it as normal, but it was normal
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It was normal to me. And that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I a Bachelor tee that I never told I have
Bachelor tea. So back to the story, someone that I
know and work with was going to be was up
for the Bachelor to be one of the women vying
for the guy. Immediately now as seem and I need
to see, that's a desperado job, no thank you, but
a easier job to get. They were doing the Bachelor
(18:23):
because the ratings were down.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They needed a hail Mary pass.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
They needed a hail Mary pass, so they totally had
to email people, they had to switch courses, and they
said they were going to do the Bachelorette instead. And
that's how this happened because the bat because she did
a video which was her hail Mary pass saying that
the only reality TV she would do is the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Then they called her fuck.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Around and find out you go make stupid you play
stupid games, you play super prizes. They should have stuck
with the Bachelor dance with the one who brung you.
So they went and they left Bachelor Nation. They found
someone from a fucking reality show because guess what else
people Reality reckoning ABC, NBCCBS. Reality is not the same
(19:09):
as Hodgepodge flea market, bag of bullshit, wild wild West,
fuck around and find out non network television reality TV. Okay,
what happened was ABC left the nest and the realm
(19:29):
of doing reality television. The ABC, the Mark Burnett, the
Jerry Bruckheimer, who I used to work for.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
That model.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
They left that model and went over to the dark
side to where the fucking Mormon wives live. And they
thought that they could cross pollinate. Okay, they thought that,
like someone could marry their cousin and it would work out.
But the bachelor marrying a Mormon wife didn't work out,
(20:04):
So well, fuck around and find out. That's why the
dumpster Fire over there on Bravo. That's why the reality reckoning.
When I talk about it, I'm not really talking about
ABC and NBC and CBS. I'm talking about Dumpster Fire
University DFU, which is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Over there where.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Literally, I was shooting a television show years ago before
I had a contract, Hand to God, because of me
on the real Housewise, that's why they started giving people
contracts before filming. Can you even fucking believe it? I
shot a scene of women playing tennis, zero contract. It
aired because later they had to come back and scramble,
(20:47):
and I know the executives, and I was talking to
one the other day about that moment when I was
pitching another show to Bravo and they were sitting there
going they ran at the flag pole, going what the
fuck is she doing on this show? I was like,
I'm on on that show. I just shot a couple
scenes for that show. I don't have a contract. I
have assigned a contract. Unheard of Wild Wild West. Where
(21:08):
someone is in a bathroom that sorry, where women are saying,
this is not against Tamera and VICKI. This is don't
hate the player, hate the game. Women who have to
get ratings, who are saying, let's get a woman naked, wated.
Then you hear the son of one of the women
pressuring her in the bathroom. Production keeps going. She's saying,
no production keeps going. Below deck, She's saying, no production
(21:29):
keeps going. The stories are endless. The reality reckoning is
has and will be real, and the shit will still
come from underneath.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, somebody at Drinda's house like a waiter. I've seen
crazy shit.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I've seen producers wait with baited breath, hoping the person
who's off the wagon on the wagon will fall off.
You could hate Liah mcsweety. You could hate her. You
could hate her character, you could hate her demise. You
could hate that you loved her then you didn't like her.
You could hate that she's taking away your candy and
your entertainment. Fine breaking news. What she's saying tracks. What
(22:09):
she is saying tracks. And it's no mistake or coincidence
that every person that had an issue with Bravo, that
every person has had an issue with Bravo has either
been asked back or given a show hush money. This
is a fact. I'm the only one you can't buy.
(22:31):
So I'm the only one that hasn't made up with them.
And I don't have a fight with them. That's the
funniest part. I don't have a fight. I have a
fight about the realm and what happened. I have a
problem Rachel Levis, she cheated. You think she was a hooker,
you think she was a war you think she was
a terrible person. That's your opinion. The facts remain that
on television she was bullied systematically, and the person who
(22:55):
was the producer of the show and the face of
the network was egging it on and telling her she
can't leave while she's being abused and asked her about
all her drugs. You can hate Danielle from Jersey. You
can think she is You could think she's a prostitution horror.
(23:15):
You can think that a person on television can't repeatedly
call her that and then they use it as a
song in a rap song that was done by like
that was. Of course you can't find it. It's been
scrubbed by Jeff Lewis and the woman that he was
doing the raps with on the show. They had a
song called prostitution Horror, and they had an exhibit at
Bravocon called prostitution Horror. What the woman did is one thing.
(23:39):
It doesn't mean you beat the shit out of her
as a result. Someone can be a prostitute. Does that
mean someone's supposed to she's not a prostitute, I'm saying
on the streets. Does that mean someone supposed to abuse her?
Two wrongs don't make a right. So whatever she did
in her own personal life in her past that was
in a book, doesn't mean someone supposed to physically abuse her.
And by the way, not blaming Teresa, not blaming Teresa,
(24:04):
not blaming VICKI, not blaming Tamera, not blaming me for
screaming in someone's face for anything, not blaming them, blaming
a network for celebrating, reverberating, concentrating, highlighting, and continuing.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
To exponentially.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What's the fucking word when you make something bigger, like whatever,
like it expanding?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
There's a word? Who cares you?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Guys know the word something that's already happened. So prostitution
whor is a great example of someone that many of
you do not like. Leah is a great example of
somebody that many of you do not like. Doesn't mean
that what she said isn't true, It doesn't mean the
behavior is correct. And I'd like to tie the ABC
Bachelorette thing to an entire season of reality television in
(24:59):
Mara Go that is gone, dissolved, never to be seen.
Do you think Bravo likes to spend millions of dollars
on shows and then have them not air when they
won't give a housewife a car service and let her
make a stop like you go to and from a
Bravo event. You have a car service, you can't go
like stop off and go have a drink after you're
(25:21):
dumped off like a freaking carcass on the side of
the road after you've just done work for Bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So anyway, they're not going.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
To lose a whole season unless the shit went sideways
between Brandy and Caroline Manzo. So I don't care if
you don't like your candy taken away. I'm not trying
to take your candy away. I'm just trying to say
that these are workplaces and they have been manipulatively, if
that's even a word, which is not, they have been
manipulatively turned into non workplaces to cover the asses of
(25:50):
the people employing them, to say, yes, abuses there, yes,
alcohol abuses there, Yes, physical abuses there, yes, uh incarceration
and do UIs. But we are not the employers because
they are not employees, because they are independent contractors, though
we are paying them, requiring they be somewhere, requiring they
(26:13):
go on trips, requiring they do what we tell them,
and in any other sense of the world, they're employees.
That was the big issue that we didn't that wasn't
in my post because it wasn't directly about the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You're welcome
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