March 12, 2026 • 20 mins
Thinking of Savannah Guthrie and the Bessette and Kennedy families. PLUS: A tour of some talented blond ladies.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay, I just want to say, I just feel so
badly for Savannah Guthrie. What a jarring, tragic, unimaginable horror show.
I mean, no closure, no completion, no resolution. They must
be replaying so many things in their heads so many times.
(00:34):
They have no understanding of what happened, what did they do?
Where is this person? Like they probably got into deep.
This is just so horrible and so sad, And it's
like pets and babies are helpless, but like so are
elderly people. And I mean you obviously you can just
see it in Savannah's face and her body and like
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this has destroyed her. I mean, I just I feel
so bad. I've met Savannah. She's such a strong, beautiful, smart,
poised conservative woman, like she just I mean this in
a nice way, Like she works in the news. She
plays it safe, she's very appropriate. You know, she's like
the opposite of me in ways. She's I remember recently
(01:15):
we were doing a TikTok and it was just a joke.
I was going on her show and it was just
a joke, and she was nervous about it. She and
Willie Geist were nervous about it because you know, you
never know if a TikTok is sometimes they're not conservative
and it's humor. But they were both like, wait, why
don't like, don't worry about it. It's like so stupid.
My heart goes out to her her family. There's nothing
to really say. I mean, we could just say the
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cliche things life is precious, like enjoy every moment. I mean,
but like that is so unimaginable that it's not even
like you can't even put that into the realm of
normal possibility, you know. I always say, like, life is precious,
enjoy your time with your aged parent that might get kidnapped,
which has like never happened in history before. And people
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are using it as like gossip and fodder and you know,
and criticizing it and the search and they can find
Osama bin Laden, et cetera, and like that's just it's
just horrible. I'm so sorry, Savannah, I really really am.
It's unimaginable, unfathomable, terrible. And then something else that's terrible
and unimaginable and unfathomable is this woman Mary Cosby, who's
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a housewife. I think Mary's on Salt Lake City. I
think I've seen it once when I reviewed it for
Rewives this podcast, And the only reason I know about
her is because I did see it one time, and
I think that she like runs a congregation or her
family's very involved in the church. And I know she
was like super snarky, like she could be a villain
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on the show, but there's something like about her that
has a strong personality. I don't know anything about her
except that she is a fan or a supporter, because
she will reach out to me on social media and
just say hi or connect or compliment something. So I
compliment her back. She compliments when I talk about my dogs,
Like I just think she's like sort of either a
fan or a friend from Afar and I reached out
(03:05):
to her just to say something like how could you
say anything? Like I just feel so badly for her loss.
She lost her son. I don't want to get into
too much because I don't want to be gossipy, and
there's no way to even describe or fathom or approach
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losing a child to addiction. And I gather from what
I've seen that like she's been struggling with this for
a while and she's been open about it, and I
don't know, I just feel like any parent who has
a child who has any problem, any problem, to be honest,
any problem, addiction, emotional issues. It's hard to be a kid,
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you know, kids are cutting and pulling hair and the
Internet and how you feel about yourself and sexuality and
eating issues and body image and what they look like
and skin like skin problems like I mean, it's just
hard to survive. And it's always been hard and it
always will be hard. The Internet makes it so much harder.
The images are not real, the filtering isn't real, the
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AI it's just so confusing. And this poor woman has
lost her child to an addiction struggle. I don't know
how long it has been. I have not been following it.
I just feel so badly for her. I believe it's
her own child. I don't know, it's just I mean,
and I'm sure she's thinking about herself. We constantly think
we are fucking the whole thing up. It is. The
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game moves quickly, and when they're little, like you could
think you're doing everything right, and in an instant it
could just feel like you're fucking everything up. And it
could be by one parent, both parent, a divorce, a
parent who gets remarried, has another baby, abandonment, like there
are so many different things that can happen to affect
an addiction, or you know, just biochemistry, just the way
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that someone's built, or it's just a hard like life
is just hard, and there's nothing to say. What is
there to say? You know, I don't know that reality
television is a great place for those issues. I mean
I do know. I do know that it's not a
great place for those issues. I know that there was
a woman on Orange County who had two children, two
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daughters that have suffered from addiction and abuse and incarceration
and some really bad things that they definitely have not
had a positive experience as it pertains to reality television.
I know that a disproportionate number of people surrounding the
housewives have had serious tragedies, whether it's incarceration or substance
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or like fraud or financial misfortune. If you think about
the number of housewives that there have been and the
tragedy and the terrible things that swirl, and it's conference
it should be looked at. There's been a lot of
discussion about substances our reality TV, and people will say,
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like what happened to the reality reckoning and what happened
to the reality reckoning? Is it happened, It's happening. I
mean people are taking a closer look, and networks and
production companies live in fear because they know that this
has all now been highlighted, I mean naked wasted. And
by the way, I'm not blaming Tamera at all. It's
(06:27):
easy to blame later when you're on a television show
and things are celebrated that shouldn't be celebrated. So I
would never I think in the past I've talked about it,
and like, the truth is, it's not anyone's responsibility. What
gets rewarded, as Brandy Glanville asks Kim Richard to ask
anyone what gets rewarded is drama. I've been on The Housewives.
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I could think of the person on the phone with
me at person in power saying to me, oh, well,
don't worry. This cast member will drink. Don't worry even
though they're supposed to be sober, or don't worry with
any luck the mint, and we'll get going. And then
this one will definitely drink, like because that's a positive
thing to them, because that means that there's a storyline
that there's supposed to be sober but then they're not.
That is celebrated on reality television that has historically been celebrated.
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I'm sure they're more cautious now, but you can't ever
blame a show for anyone's marital issues, or financial issues,
or addiction issues or any kind of issues. But I
can't imagine it helps. I can't imagine it helps. So
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love story is the John F. Kennedy Junior John John
and Carolyn Bessett story. And I watched it. It doesn't
seem entirely like Ryan Murphy. It's a little bit more exaggerated.
You know, everyone's like sort of making fun of the
blonde and the way she's flipping her hand and the drama.
It is also preposterous that they're like making it like
she sort of didn't care at all, Like Carolyn just
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was like, yeah, there's John John again. I don't care,
like I'm blowing him off, Like I mean, if she
was doing any of that, she was playing a game.
But back in that generation, it did not seem like that.
To us. It seemed like, and I'm not this is
a positive thing. It seemed like Megan Markle being with Harry,
Like she met Harry, she was definitely excited. She was
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playing her cards right, she was poised. She was wearing
the muted tones and dressing simply and elegantly, and she
was doing what she needed to do. And I mean
that in the best smartest possible way, Like, if you're
going to marry a prince, you better start acting appropriate
and royal, and if you're going to marry an American prince,
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you better lean into that aspect. But they're making it
like society has made it in both these cases, like
these women didn't you know, realize the importance of who
the people were, Like any girl would be like, oh
my god, calling their girlfriends. Are you kidding me? There's
no way that Karen Bessett wasn't calling her friends being
like hello. I mean, it's amazing. You're a young, beautiful
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woman who is capturing the heart, mind and soul of
someone that is coveted by every neighbor. So it's just
interesting that it's portrayed like she was totally unbothered and
didn't care. There's not a woman with blood coursing through
ravens or a heart beating that would not have been
moved by a prince or an American prince courting you.
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But I am burying the lead, which is that this
poor tragedy involving these parents, two children, their daughters, their
only daughters, sisters in this plane. And I feel like
someone I know that works with me is in her
thirties and she didn't know the story because it's not
her generation. Because I remember in the summer, I think
(10:00):
it was July, and I remember like this plane missing,
and I remember just like for days and days, the
agony it went on and on the search. It was days.
I'm sure it was days. I mean the tragedy of
him giving his wife and her sister a ride on
the plane, and I did not know that the pilot
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couldn't make it that day. And it's not that long
of a distance I am trying to think of from
the city, probably less than an hour. From the Hamptons
to Nantucket is like literally like twenty eight minutes, and
I guess from New York to the Yeah, it's like
it has to be like an hour. It's just but
the parents lost both their children. Now they have to
relive this like that's not Ryan's responsibility, and he's telling
(10:43):
a story but like these poor parents have I watched
this live through social media, live on television, revisit this
era that was probably very problematic, and it represents such
a terrible time for them. And I'm sure that you know,
the Kennedys were lovely to them, like their daughter got
themselves into a circus and it's like what price, you know,
(11:05):
be careful what you wish for, you just might get it,
and like what price? It just must be so torturous
for them, And I just feel so badly for them,
and I think no one's talking about them and what
they experienced in Endoredan, that they lost both their children.
I mean, it's just it's the most horrible thing I
think I've ever heard in my life. I mean, it's
just bad. It's just bad. Oh my god. Okay, So
(11:28):
Sophia Franklin Sophia with an F that had a podcast
with Alex Cooper Underbarstool Sports. They had a successful podcast.
Somehow it all got divided. They had a schism and argument,
I don't remember exactly what it was, and then Alex
Cooper went on her own and became the female disruptive,
serious interviewer. Howard Stern and It's an interesting trajectory because
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Howard started as a shock jock with women with their
tits hanging out and playmates and completely embarrassing his wife
at the time, and just like all over the place,
and the more people hated him, the better he did,
and he had FCC violations, and like they would say,
they hate you, but the people that hate you listen
twice as long, which is something that haters should be
(12:11):
mindful of, and people who get a lot of hate,
like myself, should be mindful of. So anyway, the haters
stayed twice as long. Howard Stern made an incredible career,
but then he became wealthy and successful and evolved into
more serious interviews. Even when it was like shock jock trash,
you'd still have major people. I once did Howard Stern
years ago. I don't know why he would even have
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me on, but I guess he had a bunch of
bimbos and hookers too, but he did have me on.
It is actually flattering and surprising. But then he's evolved
from having those big ticket interviews that he would ask
crazy questions into like big ticket Sarah Jessica Parker interviews everyone.
I'm sure at Jennifer Aniston, you know all the people,
every single person, a lot of women, Nikki Glaizer, Jerry Seinfeld,
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everyone right. Howard Stern is a legend and changed broadcasting, journalism, radio, disruption,
free speech, like everything paved the way. I don't care
if it's Joe Rogan or anyone like paved the way.
So Alex Cooper started off, I guess talking about sex
and blowjobs. And she is young, way younger than when
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Howard evolved. And she started interviewing people and yes, getting
like when it probably to talk about her vagina or
sex and having that aspect, which is interesting that she's
taking like her former like sexual conversation discussion into getting
stuff out of Haley Bieber or major guests. But I've
been on her show twice. I was on her road show.
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Once it was more like theatrical and like more of
a circus. Once it was a little bit more of
like a serious just slight like fun interview. And then
I went on her actual show, which was very impressive,
quite impressive, a different discussion. I had not been asked
those questions in that way. I had not been provoked
to reveal myself in that way. It took me back
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to my child and my mother. I was impressed. And
there's a casual flow and an ease to it. She's
an excellent interviewer, honestly, and sometimes when you're watching it,
like if you're watching her interview with Kamala or someone else,
sometimes I'm not unlike an Ellen or an interviewer that
it just seems easy because it like is feeling easy.
It's harder than you think. And in the moment when
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you're being interviewed, or if you're ever interviewing someone, you
realize if they make it look easy, that's the gift
in the art. But it's not easy, not for them,
not for the guests. It just there's a flow. So
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Sophia was her partner and now she's writing a book
called Daddy Issues about how it all went down, and
I'm sure she's been very you know, frustrated, hurt, and
you know that's got to drive her crazy. That was
her partner. But by the way, if they stayed partners,
it might not have been the same success. I mean,
alex Is Beyonce together, they were maybe never going to
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even be Destiny's child. Jill once said that about me,
that I wanted to be Beyonce and not be part
of a band. That's what she said. I'm not even
saying that. But Alex Cooper has created this success and
Sophia A Is probably frustrated by it. She's probably talented
on her own. She has her own podcast, and now
she's writing a book called Daddy Issues, which I think
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she's discussed that right after Alex Cooper's documentary which I
don't recall, and I don't know if I saw it
saw clips if it talked about the Sofia situation. But
everyone's entitled to their side and their story. It's just
oh my god, Like it's just it's not easy to
be a public person when you just like are it's
(15:52):
open season for fodder. It's complete open season for fodder
and discussion, and it got to be able to take it.
Like if Alex Cooper has told her story about Sophia,
which I don't know that she has, then Sophia is
gonna tell her story. And if Alex has made all
this money and it started together, I mean, I guess
Sophia's trying to get her bag too. It's just all
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I'm saying is it's not for the faint of heart,
and I guess alex Earle, who I know fairly well,
just like I know Alex Cooper fairly well. I know
them both separately equally well. I believe she commented and
liked the Sophia Franklin post, which is like you know,
warm almost hot tea, because I guess she was involved
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with Alex Cooper and it didn't work out, which in
my opinion, it didn't work out because it just didn't
work out, just they were misaligned and wanted different things.
And it was a good idea when it started, which
was when alex Earl was cresting. Alex Cooper had already crested,
and Alex Earle was a fan and used to watch
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and listen, but she was at such a rapid pace
that once she got her podcast there, she probably wanted
so much more because of where her star had risen to.
And there's no comparing the two of them. They are incomparable.
They are two different human beings. I've met them both,
I understand them both, I've talked to them, both, confided
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in them, both had them confide in me, And they
are two different animals. They are totally different. Alex Cooper
is fun and silly and like serious and hardcore and
like really media she's sharing, but not everything, and that's
not really her brand. She'll share just to connect to
her audience on social media a bit, and also a
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lot of humor and production and creativity in promoting not
only her brand but her show. But that's like, that's
more of like a Jimmy Fallon type brand, meaning she
does great, heavily produced, entertaining promos and then as interviews,
her interviews are more serious than Jimmy Fallon's. His are
more lighthearted. I know him as well. And Alex Earl
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is more like in the wild. She's more like her
story is being in a hotel room or being away
with her girls, or her relationship. And yes she has
brands that she sort of dips into, it's not as
embedded like she'll dip into Poppy when it's about to
Poppy off or invest in a brand that comes to
her and it's fully baked and packed, But it's not
the same as like starting something from scratch, and there's
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no it's just a different model. They just have two
totally different models. And I haven't seen it. I did
Alex Earls. I think first ever podcast away from Alex Cooper,
and it's just different. It's more light and more like
Girlfriendy in a lighter way, not as it's just not
that they have two completely different brands. They are not
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in competition whatsoever. They offer something entirely different to an audience.
I have a podcast I couldn't wash Alex Cooper's podcast shoes.
I like this. I love ranting, I love talking about it,
but it's not like what I'm spending my entire day
thinking about her talking about. And I believe that that's
what it's like with alex Earl Moore. Her day is
spent like on just like moving, living, breathing, entertaining content.
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She also enjoyed dancing with a star, so she's gonna
go do that more. You know. She's also younger, I believe,
so she's in a different phase in her life. Speaking
about young, beautiful, blonde, entertaining women. I find Kristen Cavalari
like a fine wine. She's just evolving, and I don't know,
I just feel like she's doing well at podcasting and
expressing herself, and I just think she's being honest about
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her dating and before she seemed a little like the
girl who was like, of course I broke up with him.
Nobody breaks up with me. And now there's something that's
getting more textured and deeper about her vulnerability, about her flaws,
about her dating, about her sex, about her lessons, her
learn I don't know. I think she's like she's doing
a good job. It's something that she was talking about
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recently to a woman about dating, and there's I really
liked it, Like I just thought, oh, okay, like she's
being vulnerable and honest. I liked it. Thing about it
that I liked I actually should put her into the
core
Okay, I just want to say, I just feel so
badly for Savannah Guthrie. What a jarring, tragic, unimaginable horror show.
I mean, no closure, no completion, no resolution. They must
be replaying so many things in their heads so many times.
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They have no understanding of what happened, what did they do?
Where is this person? Like they probably got into deep.
This is just so horrible and so sad, And it's
like pets and babies are helpless, but like so are
elderly people. And I mean you obviously you can just
see it in Savannah's face and her body and like
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this has destroyed her. I mean, I just I feel
so bad. I've met Savannah. She's such a strong, beautiful, smart,
poised conservative woman, like she just I mean this in
a nice way, Like she works in the news. She
plays it safe, she's very appropriate. You know, she's like
the opposite of me in ways. She's I remember recently
(01:15):
we were doing a TikTok and it was just a joke.
I was going on her show and it was just
a joke, and she was nervous about it. She and
Willie Geist were nervous about it because you know, you
never know if a TikTok is sometimes they're not conservative
and it's humor. But they were both like, wait, why
don't like, don't worry about it. It's like so stupid.
My heart goes out to her her family. There's nothing
to really say. I mean, we could just say the
(01:37):
cliche things life is precious, like enjoy every moment. I mean,
but like that is so unimaginable that it's not even
like you can't even put that into the realm of
normal possibility, you know. I always say, like, life is precious,
enjoy your time with your aged parent that might get kidnapped,
which has like never happened in history before. And people
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are using it as like gossip and fodder and you know,
and criticizing it and the search and they can find
Osama bin Laden, et cetera, and like that's just it's
just horrible. I'm so sorry, Savannah, I really really am.
It's unimaginable, unfathomable, terrible. And then something else that's terrible
and unimaginable and unfathomable is this woman Mary Cosby, who's
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a housewife. I think Mary's on Salt Lake City. I
think I've seen it once when I reviewed it for
Rewives this podcast, And the only reason I know about
her is because I did see it one time, and
I think that she like runs a congregation or her
family's very involved in the church. And I know she
was like super snarky, like she could be a villain
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on the show, but there's something like about her that
has a strong personality. I don't know anything about her
except that she is a fan or a supporter, because
she will reach out to me on social media and
just say hi or connect or compliment something. So I
compliment her back. She compliments when I talk about my dogs,
Like I just think she's like sort of either a
fan or a friend from Afar and I reached out
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to her just to say something like how could you
say anything? Like I just feel so badly for her loss.
She lost her son. I don't want to get into
too much because I don't want to be gossipy, and
there's no way to even describe or fathom or approach
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losing a child to addiction. And I gather from what
I've seen that like she's been struggling with this for
a while and she's been open about it, and I
don't know, I just feel like any parent who has
a child who has any problem, any problem, to be honest,
any problem, addiction, emotional issues. It's hard to be a kid,
(03:51):
you know, kids are cutting and pulling hair and the
Internet and how you feel about yourself and sexuality and
eating issues and body image and what they look like
and skin like skin problems like I mean, it's just
hard to survive. And it's always been hard and it
always will be hard. The Internet makes it so much harder.
The images are not real, the filtering isn't real, the
(04:12):
AI it's just so confusing. And this poor woman has
lost her child to an addiction struggle. I don't know
how long it has been. I have not been following it.
I just feel so badly for her. I believe it's
her own child. I don't know, it's just I mean,
and I'm sure she's thinking about herself. We constantly think
we are fucking the whole thing up. It is. The
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game moves quickly, and when they're little, like you could
think you're doing everything right, and in an instant it
could just feel like you're fucking everything up. And it
could be by one parent, both parent, a divorce, a
parent who gets remarried, has another baby, abandonment, like there
are so many different things that can happen to affect
an addiction, or you know, just biochemistry, just the way
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that someone's built, or it's just a hard like life
is just hard, and there's nothing to say. What is
there to say? You know, I don't know that reality
television is a great place for those issues. I mean
I do know. I do know that it's not a
great place for those issues. I know that there was
a woman on Orange County who had two children, two
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daughters that have suffered from addiction and abuse and incarceration
and some really bad things that they definitely have not
had a positive experience as it pertains to reality television.
I know that a disproportionate number of people surrounding the
housewives have had serious tragedies, whether it's incarceration or substance
(05:44):
or like fraud or financial misfortune. If you think about
the number of housewives that there have been and the
tragedy and the terrible things that swirl, and it's conference
it should be looked at. There's been a lot of
discussion about substances our reality TV, and people will say,
(06:07):
like what happened to the reality reckoning and what happened
to the reality reckoning? Is it happened, It's happening. I
mean people are taking a closer look, and networks and
production companies live in fear because they know that this
has all now been highlighted, I mean naked wasted. And
by the way, I'm not blaming Tamera at all. It's
(06:27):
easy to blame later when you're on a television show
and things are celebrated that shouldn't be celebrated. So I
would never I think in the past I've talked about it,
and like, the truth is, it's not anyone's responsibility. What
gets rewarded, as Brandy Glanville asks Kim Richard to ask
anyone what gets rewarded is drama. I've been on The Housewives.
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I could think of the person on the phone with
me at person in power saying to me, oh, well,
don't worry. This cast member will drink. Don't worry even
though they're supposed to be sober, or don't worry with
any luck the mint, and we'll get going. And then
this one will definitely drink, like because that's a positive
thing to them, because that means that there's a storyline
that there's supposed to be sober but then they're not.
That is celebrated on reality television that has historically been celebrated.
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I'm sure they're more cautious now, but you can't ever
blame a show for anyone's marital issues, or financial issues,
or addiction issues or any kind of issues. But I
can't imagine it helps. I can't imagine it helps. So
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love story is the John F. Kennedy Junior John John
and Carolyn Bessett story. And I watched it. It doesn't
seem entirely like Ryan Murphy. It's a little bit more exaggerated.
You know, everyone's like sort of making fun of the
blonde and the way she's flipping her hand and the drama.
It is also preposterous that they're like making it like
she sort of didn't care at all, Like Carolyn just
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was like, yeah, there's John John again. I don't care,
like I'm blowing him off, Like I mean, if she
was doing any of that, she was playing a game.
But back in that generation, it did not seem like that.
To us. It seemed like, and I'm not this is
a positive thing. It seemed like Megan Markle being with Harry,
Like she met Harry, she was definitely excited. She was
(08:27):
playing her cards right, she was poised. She was wearing
the muted tones and dressing simply and elegantly, and she
was doing what she needed to do. And I mean
that in the best smartest possible way, Like, if you're
going to marry a prince, you better start acting appropriate
and royal, and if you're going to marry an American prince,
(08:52):
you better lean into that aspect. But they're making it
like society has made it in both these cases, like
these women didn't you know, realize the importance of who
the people were, Like any girl would be like, oh
my god, calling their girlfriends. Are you kidding me? There's
no way that Karen Bessett wasn't calling her friends being
like hello. I mean, it's amazing. You're a young, beautiful
(09:14):
woman who is capturing the heart, mind and soul of
someone that is coveted by every neighbor. So it's just
interesting that it's portrayed like she was totally unbothered and
didn't care. There's not a woman with blood coursing through
ravens or a heart beating that would not have been
moved by a prince or an American prince courting you.
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But I am burying the lead, which is that this
poor tragedy involving these parents, two children, their daughters, their
only daughters, sisters in this plane. And I feel like
someone I know that works with me is in her
thirties and she didn't know the story because it's not
her generation. Because I remember in the summer, I think
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it was July, and I remember like this plane missing,
and I remember just like for days and days, the
agony it went on and on the search. It was days.
I'm sure it was days. I mean the tragedy of
him giving his wife and her sister a ride on
the plane, and I did not know that the pilot
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couldn't make it that day. And it's not that long
of a distance I am trying to think of from
the city, probably less than an hour. From the Hamptons
to Nantucket is like literally like twenty eight minutes, and
I guess from New York to the Yeah, it's like
it has to be like an hour. It's just but
the parents lost both their children. Now they have to
relive this like that's not Ryan's responsibility, and he's telling
(10:43):
a story but like these poor parents have I watched
this live through social media, live on television, revisit this
era that was probably very problematic, and it represents such
a terrible time for them. And I'm sure that you know,
the Kennedys were lovely to them, like their daughter got
themselves into a circus and it's like what price, you know,
(11:05):
be careful what you wish for, you just might get it,
and like what price? It just must be so torturous
for them, And I just feel so badly for them,
and I think no one's talking about them and what
they experienced in Endoredan, that they lost both their children.
I mean, it's just it's the most horrible thing I
think I've ever heard in my life. I mean, it's
just bad. It's just bad. Oh my god. Okay, So
(11:28):
Sophia Franklin Sophia with an F that had a podcast
with Alex Cooper Underbarstool Sports. They had a successful podcast.
Somehow it all got divided. They had a schism and argument,
I don't remember exactly what it was, and then Alex
Cooper went on her own and became the female disruptive,
serious interviewer. Howard Stern and It's an interesting trajectory because
(11:51):
Howard started as a shock jock with women with their
tits hanging out and playmates and completely embarrassing his wife
at the time, and just like all over the place,
and the more people hated him, the better he did,
and he had FCC violations, and like they would say,
they hate you, but the people that hate you listen
twice as long, which is something that haters should be
(12:11):
mindful of, and people who get a lot of hate,
like myself, should be mindful of. So anyway, the haters
stayed twice as long. Howard Stern made an incredible career,
but then he became wealthy and successful and evolved into
more serious interviews. Even when it was like shock jock trash,
you'd still have major people. I once did Howard Stern
years ago. I don't know why he would even have
(12:32):
me on, but I guess he had a bunch of
bimbos and hookers too, but he did have me on.
It is actually flattering and surprising. But then he's evolved
from having those big ticket interviews that he would ask
crazy questions into like big ticket Sarah Jessica Parker interviews everyone.
I'm sure at Jennifer Aniston, you know all the people,
every single person, a lot of women, Nikki Glaizer, Jerry Seinfeld,
(12:55):
everyone right. Howard Stern is a legend and changed broadcasting, journalism, radio, disruption,
free speech, like everything paved the way. I don't care
if it's Joe Rogan or anyone like paved the way.
So Alex Cooper started off, I guess talking about sex
and blowjobs. And she is young, way younger than when
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Howard evolved. And she started interviewing people and yes, getting
like when it probably to talk about her vagina or
sex and having that aspect, which is interesting that she's
taking like her former like sexual conversation discussion into getting
stuff out of Haley Bieber or major guests. But I've
been on her show twice. I was on her road show.
(13:40):
Once it was more like theatrical and like more of
a circus. Once it was a little bit more of
like a serious just slight like fun interview. And then
I went on her actual show, which was very impressive,
quite impressive, a different discussion. I had not been asked
those questions in that way. I had not been provoked
to reveal myself in that way. It took me back
(14:01):
to my child and my mother. I was impressed. And
there's a casual flow and an ease to it. She's
an excellent interviewer, honestly, and sometimes when you're watching it,
like if you're watching her interview with Kamala or someone else,
sometimes I'm not unlike an Ellen or an interviewer that
it just seems easy because it like is feeling easy.
It's harder than you think. And in the moment when
(14:22):
you're being interviewed, or if you're ever interviewing someone, you
realize if they make it look easy, that's the gift
in the art. But it's not easy, not for them,
not for the guests. It just there's a flow. So
(14:47):
Sophia was her partner and now she's writing a book
called Daddy Issues about how it all went down, and
I'm sure she's been very you know, frustrated, hurt, and
you know that's got to drive her crazy. That was
her partner. But by the way, if they stayed partners,
it might not have been the same success. I mean,
alex Is Beyonce together, they were maybe never going to
(15:09):
even be Destiny's child. Jill once said that about me,
that I wanted to be Beyonce and not be part
of a band. That's what she said. I'm not even
saying that. But Alex Cooper has created this success and
Sophia A Is probably frustrated by it. She's probably talented
on her own. She has her own podcast, and now
she's writing a book called Daddy Issues, which I think
(15:31):
she's discussed that right after Alex Cooper's documentary which I
don't recall, and I don't know if I saw it
saw clips if it talked about the Sofia situation. But
everyone's entitled to their side and their story. It's just
oh my god, Like it's just it's not easy to
be a public person when you just like are it's
(15:52):
open season for fodder. It's complete open season for fodder
and discussion, and it got to be able to take it.
Like if Alex Cooper has told her story about Sophia,
which I don't know that she has, then Sophia is
gonna tell her story. And if Alex has made all
this money and it started together, I mean, I guess
Sophia's trying to get her bag too. It's just all
(16:12):
I'm saying is it's not for the faint of heart,
and I guess alex Earle, who I know fairly well,
just like I know Alex Cooper fairly well. I know
them both separately equally well. I believe she commented and
liked the Sophia Franklin post, which is like you know,
warm almost hot tea, because I guess she was involved
(16:35):
with Alex Cooper and it didn't work out, which in
my opinion, it didn't work out because it just didn't
work out, just they were misaligned and wanted different things.
And it was a good idea when it started, which
was when alex Earl was cresting. Alex Cooper had already crested,
and Alex Earle was a fan and used to watch
(16:57):
and listen, but she was at such a rapid pace
that once she got her podcast there, she probably wanted
so much more because of where her star had risen to.
And there's no comparing the two of them. They are incomparable.
They are two different human beings. I've met them both,
I understand them both, I've talked to them, both, confided
(17:18):
in them, both had them confide in me, And they
are two different animals. They are totally different. Alex Cooper
is fun and silly and like serious and hardcore and
like really media she's sharing, but not everything, and that's
not really her brand. She'll share just to connect to
her audience on social media a bit, and also a
(17:39):
lot of humor and production and creativity in promoting not
only her brand but her show. But that's like, that's
more of like a Jimmy Fallon type brand, meaning she
does great, heavily produced, entertaining promos and then as interviews,
her interviews are more serious than Jimmy Fallon's. His are
more lighthearted. I know him as well. And Alex Earl
(18:00):
is more like in the wild. She's more like her
story is being in a hotel room or being away
with her girls, or her relationship. And yes she has
brands that she sort of dips into, it's not as
embedded like she'll dip into Poppy when it's about to
Poppy off or invest in a brand that comes to
her and it's fully baked and packed, But it's not
the same as like starting something from scratch, and there's
(18:23):
no it's just a different model. They just have two
totally different models. And I haven't seen it. I did
Alex Earls. I think first ever podcast away from Alex Cooper,
and it's just different. It's more light and more like
Girlfriendy in a lighter way, not as it's just not
that they have two completely different brands. They are not
(18:44):
in competition whatsoever. They offer something entirely different to an audience.
I have a podcast I couldn't wash Alex Cooper's podcast shoes.
I like this. I love ranting, I love talking about it,
but it's not like what I'm spending my entire day
thinking about her talking about. And I believe that that's
what it's like with alex Earl Moore. Her day is
spent like on just like moving, living, breathing, entertaining content.
(19:08):
She also enjoyed dancing with a star, so she's gonna
go do that more. You know. She's also younger, I believe,
so she's in a different phase in her life. Speaking
about young, beautiful, blonde, entertaining women. I find Kristen Cavalari
like a fine wine. She's just evolving, and I don't know,
I just feel like she's doing well at podcasting and
expressing herself, and I just think she's being honest about
(19:30):
her dating and before she seemed a little like the
girl who was like, of course I broke up with him.
Nobody breaks up with me. And now there's something that's
getting more textured and deeper about her vulnerability, about her flaws,
about her dating, about her sex, about her lessons, her
learn I don't know. I think she's like she's doing
a good job. It's something that she was talking about
(19:51):
recently to a woman about dating, and there's I really
liked it, Like I just thought, oh, okay, like she's
being vulnerable and honest. I liked it. Thing about it
that I liked I actually should put her into the
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