"Boobs and Alphapussy" (w/ Gina Gershon)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look may oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, Los ding Dong
lost Culturista's calling a couple of things to just call
out right away. My girl is still going through it.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I will not let it affect my job.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
No, and I never thought you would. And that is
a testament to your professionalism, your talent. There's a lot
of that in the room today, and we'll there's a
lot of that in the room.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I wanted to I wanted to dress in my Gina
Gershan drag today. But I think I look like One
Car Why or John Wu. I look like my life,
looking like a like my life a John Wu movie. No,
my life a one Car Wy movie because it's green,
these glasses.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And you said you look like a Chinese director. And
I said, maybe you will be one day. Maybe you're
dressing for I couldn't. Well, you want to be. You
could direct the way you order me around. I would
constantly bow, I'm in a bound situation. We face all
after a contail.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I never direct you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
You kind of don't, but you do suddenly you do
in ways that would be very alluring. As an actor
on a said, I'm just saying the way you sort
of directorial style, very direct, loud, kind of like you there,
you here, no here here, no, No, I'm I like
to direct.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Let me hear you, let me hear your best. Let's
go again.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Let's go again. That's really good. Wait, well yep, let's
go again.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I've never reain encouraging.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Can I try?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Let's go again?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Really good? Non it?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, that was a little bit. It was a little
dismissive of everyone's I need some runway into it. Okay, okay, cat,
that was great. Let's go again, and the sea bored
no more to me. I'm processing the note that I'm
about to give.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Who's heard every version of this? Because she's worked with
every single one of them in the industry.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I was.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'm over one hundred and fifty film credits, a film
TV credits, spanning decades and enduring, versatile, multi hyphenate legends.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
You say her name and everyone straightens up their spine.
I can't because of my injury.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, but we're gonna we. I just want everyone to
know that, as a result of our guests being here,
we are hot on the trail to a cure. Because
I knew our guest knew someone who was a bodywork professional,
and wouldn't you know it, Brian Bryan text away from fixing.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Not tonight. We've got a full night ahead of us.
And not to put pressure on Not to pre pressure
on you, Brian, No pun intended. Very good. She is
somehow our dear friend.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
One of my Everyone talks about this friendship like, oh,
last coach, My favorite friendship is you and our guests.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I can't believe this is this is real anyway, Hurt
fantastic new memoir, Alpha Pussy, Best title of the year,
Best title of the year. How I survived the Valley
and learned to love my boobs. And I want to
talk boobs because why I'm a boob gay, as.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
We always do.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I think you you have an affinity for boobs
as well.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I love the guys, I love the gals.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I love them the front as I love those chesticles, chesticals.
I love our guests so much. I can't believe she's
finally here. We talked about this a while ago. Thank
goodness we did. Everyone welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Into the chair.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh my god, it's so fun to watch you guys talk.
Let me just say one thing. I have to address
a few things that you said address well, John Wu
you would be only so lucky to look like him.
He is, I think, hands down the most elegant director
I've ever worked. Always just looked just so. And even
though we walk around I need more money. I'm like,

(04:01):
you had ninety nine million dollars. John is not enough.
But he always looks so like sexy and sophisticated and cool.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And that is how Bowen Yang would be as a
drift sophisticated me. I'm doing that every day in my dammit,
I think you.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Look I think he looked really good. I didn't know
you were trying to do me in this what's what's
the shirt that? Thank you for calling out the shirt before,
but it's of course it's really good.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
We are going to go. We're recording this on Tony
Nom's day.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Very excited. Congrats, titsan congratulation, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Show is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Spening night, Oh my god, because we were because you texted.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Me, are going to be other people. I wasn't going
to bring it up. You guys we do.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Miss opening night of Titanique.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like are you going to be there? And He's like.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
But that looks like a fun fucking it was.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
So I hadn't seen the show really yeah, so it
was my first time review thoughts. I thought it was
just so fun. Everyone's having the best time, and it's
just it's it's pure, it's everything you want it to be.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's the coolest because we saw it when it started
at the old uc BE Theater, but it wasn't the
UCB Theater anymore. It was in the basement of a
grist Thedi's what was that theater called. It was called
Asylum Asylum theater, tiny, tiny, not that many seats.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
And on twenty seventh or twenty six, twenty.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Six, oh yeah, oh wow, to be the old UCB.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And then Matt came on this podcast uttered the words,
you have to go see titany.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
We were so prepared. It was the first person I
thought of.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Was him because of Selene and Titanic French Canadian legends.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
But it's She's She's just the best, and it's one
of those things that you know was born out of
love for making people laugh and feel good. And that's
why I'm so proud of it because it doesn't feel corporate.
It made it like the little engine that could.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
And also it's like just watching it, you're just so
you feel that I kind of knew it, and you're like,
oh my god. I met there opening night on Broadway
and you could tell they were all like what, I
can't believe we're here. So that was really special.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
You could do Selene. I think you could play Selene
in that show.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Ah, could I sing Celene? It's a little high.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
If you're got Sally balls, but Sally, yeah, Except I
always had the cushion of Sally because when I first
started doing there, like, you know, she doesn't really need
to sing, and I'm like, oh honey, I'm singing yea.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And we appreciate it when Sally can sing.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right, I mean, and he's like, yeah, but she shouldn't.
And he's like, and she shouldn't really dance. I'm like,
I can deconstruct the dancing that that'll be fun to do,
but you know, you just want to sing this shit
out of it.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Why wouldn't they want you to dance though, because you're
you're well regarded documented dancer, except.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Because in the Sam Mendez version of Cabaret, I mean,
Sally Bowles traditionally wasn't that good, right, you know, and
so she was a little screechy or she was like
kind of so I mess up some of the dance
we was and just kind of like, you know, like
you catch it up and you know, one time though, I, oh,
my god, the scariest moment. And this is the first time.

(07:06):
This is the only time, this is really really really
happened to me. Because I only had they gave me
three weeks you know, before, I said, listen, I don't
I've never I never like come in to replace someone
on a show. So I just said, listen, all I
care is that I get one day with Sam Mendez.
I said, I just I will do everything you tell

(07:27):
me where to go, but like, let me just do
my own thing. And Sam's like, and I'm like, if
you want me to go here instead, I'll do it.
Just give me a shot to do my own thing,
right of course. And so and I came in two
weeks because I was away on a vacation. But the girl,
one of the women I was with, she had Sally's voice.
I'm like, oh great, I'll just work on my accent,
I'll work on my songs and I'll go in and

(07:47):
I'll have all that stuff in my head. Anyway. The
first night, everyone's like, are you nervous or you're nervous.
I'm like, no, I'm fine, just tell me where to go.
I don't get nervous. I just get like, shoes are here,
entrances here, you know. But it was, as you know,
I was going on that little voice is like, you
are singing and dancing on Broadway, how do you know
you'll remember. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I can't not just like.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Just get out of my It's like what if you
I don't want to hear, I don't want to talk
to I make it through. But about like five or
six days later, I was on dooing like don't tell Mama,
and I had friends in the audience as well, blank
literally and all of a sudden, like the words just
went like and I just said just keep dancing, and

(08:29):
I was like following Undeman, Like all of a sudden,
I was in Singapore or somewhere. I just started singing
something but like and adding a little crackle to it.
And it's in case someone's noticing the like, oh, there
must be something wrong with the things. I was like,
And then until I finally found my way again, no
one knew, but backstage they're like Singapore. Next I did

(08:51):
I for some reason, I started singing and but.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
You were compelling and you kept telling a story.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And you know what, it just goes to show if
you just sell it. And I kept the tune, I
kept the dance. It like no one knew the audience.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Is stupid, They're not stupid, and are you as other words?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
But are you also saying that like Sally in character
would probably do that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Maybe maybe maybe they thought that nutty Sally. I was
just thinking, oh, blame the technology. So I was like cracking.
They were like, oh, it was so great. But then
I couldn't understand. You know when the crackling in the mind,
I know that Mike that might say, really fucked me up.
But I kept going, so I don't know what was doing.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
This was the track that was set by Natasha Richardson originally,
So it's interesting because of course the one that's been
that has been going was started in the West End
and Jesse Buckley originated it, and that one is more sung.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Like she's definitely got a great voice.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
She's got an unbelievable voice and I feel like it
only if you don't know. If you didn't know, you
didn't know. But now people are really knowing the breadth
of what she can do vocally incredible, unbelievable. But I
will say it does feel really nice to hear that
score really sung well. And I know that that's a
common refrain about Sally Balls, like well, you know, it

(10:10):
doesn't have to be it's better, it's better.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I mean, with those songs, it's a shame not to
I mean I saw one actress doing them who really
couldn't sing. I will not name who it was, and
it kind of bummed me out. I was just like,
you know what, like, maybe you sing it well and
every now and then you could do an oopsie on purpose,
you know, you could, you can orchestrate that a little bit,
but I don't know, especially like maybe this time, which

(10:33):
wasn't he like, it's such a gorgeous song. I don't
want to not sing it, of course, you know, But anyways.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
But that was one of the only moments that's happened
where it went fully, Oh yeah, what do you think
was happening?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I don't know. I think I got to cocky, like
two weeks I got this Broadway, I'm nailing this and
I went out and it just something just went boom
and I'm like terrifying. Yeah it was. It was kind
of terrifying, but you know your brain goes does somersaults,
and so I made it work and known was the
wiser except backstate.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Except backstate.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
They were just like, so are we in Singapore now?
Like and I don't know why that was my go
to place.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
To get communing with with something.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Just something came through me, something came through Was it
just that number did a continue? It was just like
like eight bars or maybe sixteen bars. Yeah, of don't
tell mama.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I am shocked that. I mean, it must be an
adrenaline thing. But there was one time at SNL when
I felt like I was getting pushed out for a
weekend update and something something like flashed. It was an
intrusive something where I was like, I'm going to faint
and my head is going to slam into the desk.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
On live television. You remember what it.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Was like trade Daddy, Uh so early early it was
like my second time, I was like hey, and then
I was like, what if I just I'm light aheaded whatever,
I just passed out on live television television, and I'm like,
I don't think it's ever happened before on that show
at least do you have do you have like a.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Private laughed and.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Would everyone would have moved because I feel like, because
it's such a controlled atmosphere, everyone would assume it's part
of the bit. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I realized if I fully went unconscious, I probably was
the hydride. If I went fully unconscious and slammed headfirst
into the desk, people would be like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
That was so unprofessional.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Before Bowen Yang is a committed sketch performer, his head exploded.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Have you you've had moments where you've thought, oh, no,
something's gone horribly wrong.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean there, I guess during during the Christmas show.
When I'm touring, it's just like everyone's kind of like whatever, anyway,
We're all just there for a good time in a
high stake situation. I remember during my SNL audition, I
felt I remember I couldn't feel the blood in my feet.
That was the first time I.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Ever had that interesting happened.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I couldn't feel the blood in my feet, and I
realized I wasn't breathing, so I was like, oh God,
remember to breathe or you're gonna lose circulation.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Get into your toes.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah. But then, like, the thing about that
experience is it is the most intense audition experience you
can possibly have. So after that, it's kind of hard
to get stage fright or feel unprepared because of how
intense that's that.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I'm kind of mad I never did that. I wish
I had started my whole career doing SNL. I always
wanted to do comedy, but then I went into a
different thing. My mom kept saying, you really should be
doing common. I'm like, no, I'm gonna be a really
serious actress. I can't do that right now. But why
is it so intense? I because all I keep saying
is like, why can't I host? I want to host?
And then you bring me in like every now and
then I get brought in. Yours is the most fun.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
But the bow and straight oh yes, I mean, come on,
And I was.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Every time Gina coming in looking I'm sorry, I don't
mean to objectify you and make this about your appearance ravishing,
but I'm always like, oh my god, like I'm in love.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
With and then we get to make out.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well, you are the gay icon in many ways. I mean,
like the thing is, I think people one of the things,
like the word underrated is thrown around so much, like
but the thing is, like you really don't get the
credit for like how the place that you hold in
like queer audience's minds or maybe you do feel like
like that is a common thing that's said to you,

(14:23):
But I.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Feel like it's over indexed, like you're like, oh, the
only people who come up to me are a gay man.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
No, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's not true because you have such a wide audience.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
A lot of gay men do. But I also have
like you could tell which movies like the straight Man,
the Lesbian, Yes, show Girls, the gay men.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And then the teens and the gen z as Riverdale.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
And theatergoers theater.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well then there's people who just have seen me do
music or they know like the other books, like they
don't they get confused, right, Well, I really like him
Pepy time, like right, but like wait you act, I'm like, yeah,
I do that, Like I have different weird worlds. Yeah
you have.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You've got video games, You've got gamers. Now after Borderlands
were probably like I.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Think if border Lands had done a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
It was a little bit right. I wish I wanted
that to do great, I.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Know, but it's I want you and Kate had a blast.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
So much fun. She's so much fun. I'm going to
do you know what you and I did the how
To Academy here in New York. I'm doing that with
Kate in London.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, that was an amazing night.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Wasn't that fun? You were incredible? I was so. I've
been really lucky because I've had really good friends. You know,
You've been amazing. I did one with Linda Perry in
Los Angeles and as we're walking on you know, to
do you know, she's like, you know, Jane.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
That cool.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I didn't read the book. I'm like what, I said, wait, wait,
what do you mean you didn't meet the book? She goes,
you know, it takes me a really long time to
read the book. I'm like, well, so do you want
me to, Jenda, We'll be fine. I'm like, you know
about me?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
She's certainly.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I said, you can't talk about other things, you know that?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
And then she's like gosh, she goes, oh this because
so let's just open up vampires. What do you think
about vampires? It was the funniest talk ever. I mean,
it was fine.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's so funny you say that. I just fell down
to Linda Linda Perry rabbit hole the other night because
I was for some reason, the writing of Beautiful popped
into my mind. Oh, this gorgeous story about how Linda
had written that for herself. Yeah, and you know it
ended up Christina her heart like went over her shoulder
and was like, what's that song? Was like, I want

(16:27):
to record that came in. They used the raw vocal.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Christina's first take, first take, and now Linda's coming out.
She's singing again, and so she's have you heard her
version of it? No, but I need to do you must, Wow,
you must. It's out, it's it's I think it's it
came out like this month, it's coming out this month.
And she's sound she's you know to me, Linda. When
I first met her, I didn't meet her first. I

(16:52):
heard her because we were at the same show singing
and I was going on after whoever this Linda Perro
was I'm just like singing my song and I this voice,
and I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Just like, what the fuck what's going on?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
And I'm like, you need to turn my volume up
because her voice was so big. I'm like, how does
she sing? So I was like, oh my god, she's
got to me one of my favorite voices of female
rock and rollers. And I went and afterwards, I didn't know.
I was just trying to write music because the Prey
for rock and Rollers coming out, and then I had
to go on tour and I'm like, oh my god,

(17:23):
I got to write music because those songs didn't work.
And I said, I said to Matt Sorem, who's the
guns Roses? I said, who's that girl? That's who I
want to write with? These like yeah, get in line.
I didn't realize she was so sought after. So I
met her that night. I said, I just have a feeling.
I said, I really want to write with you. She's like, yeah,
like you and everyone else. And then I just she says, I,

(17:47):
what's the word stalked her? I guess, I cut, what's
that word that I call? I kept saying, no, no,
I find I said, just give me an hour, give
me an hour, and if we don't have fun, then
we could we'll have fun for an like then you
can tell me out.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
This is incredible. Yeah, this reminds me of the Sam
Mendoz thing where like give me one blank, Yeah, give
me one blank with this person and if it doesn't
work out, then it'll be fine. Well, it seems like
you tend to you tend to really get like get
it in the pocket.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Well, Sam had already offered me the part right right,
which is like there's there's a whole story in the
book about that, which is really funny that deals with
Joe Montello, who just got nominated for director and for
his show That of a Salesman doesn't so great. And
I mean I literally was like, I need to start
like doing musicals now, because I just moved into an

(18:39):
apartment of a singer and I'm like, I used to
be a song and dance girl. I don't know why
we were so wasted and you couldn't remember what And
then I was like, yeah, it was just weird. It
was out and it was it was so long ago
that you have like phone message machines. So by the
time I got how, I said, no, Joe, I think
I need to start doing musicals. I was just a

(18:59):
song and dance girl all the time, and then I
just went away from it. Yeah, I get home and
I here, like, you know Gena the Hi, this is
Sam Mendoz. I think you'd be brilliant, you know, doing
you know, cabaret. And I'm like that Joe so funny,
like you.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Thought it was Joe doing an impression of Sam Mendes.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I was wasted. I was like, how did he get
home so soon? Bam? My head hits a pillow. And
the next day I'm like, I listen to it again.
I'm like, God, he really does a good English accent.
I listen again. I like, I don't know, I think
this might actually be the same. Wow it was Sam.
And I called Joe right away. I'm like, you can't
believe it? Yeah, And he's like no, I said, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's the thing about having some talented friends. You never
know when people are doing an impersonation because everyone's a whiz.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Everyone's a whiz.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I never know when he calls me yeah, yeah, I'm
so impression.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
No, No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
But you do not you do know? This is all
a testaments like you do like have the coolest connections,
like and like it's because you are in exus of
that like it's you're involved in the coolest stuff you
take risks like just hearing about how Bound came together
and the belief that had to go into that being

(20:08):
the success that it was. Just the collaboration I just
has followed and I think been a theme.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, I think I have. It's like I have a
certain knack, like I could read people quickly and one
of those people if in a room they come in
and ride away. I'm not in a judgy way. I
just I like them. When I don't, like there's an
energy thing or like that person stay away from, you know.
And I think with I really like, I just have
a thing for really talented people. Even if I don't

(20:37):
know what they do, I'm like, oh that person's so great.
I just like there's something that they have. Whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
There's a feeling you have or a sense you get
from them.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's just an energy. It's like a frequency or something.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Did you and I meet at Carnegie?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
No, we met. It's so weird. It's nice we met.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
We didn't. We didn't share scenes in North from Queens.
It was such a big day when when like Nora,
I was like, oh my god, Gina Gurshanna's coming in
today and we were like, oh my. I was like,
we got Gina. That was great.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I didn't meet you there.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
No, it was not there.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
We I mean no, because I was writing that movie. Yes,
and I remember like there was a care and I've
never done this before, and all of a sudden, I
kept thinking what and you came into my mind. I'm like, okay,
just pretend it's it's Bow and Yang and write it
for that. I'm like, oh, like's amazed, yeah, really amused.
And then there was a I don't know who was

(21:28):
on SNL that night, but I was at the party.
It was later at night, and then I said, oh
my and I saw you. I'm like, oh my god,
You've been in my head all day. And then we
just talked about and we like had eleven and then
that was it and then we didn't see each other
until until Joan Biez or Laurie was like, you guys
go out and dance. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And then that was the week where we wrote we
brought Back Bonus straight.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, that was the first one.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
That was the first one, but so we wrote it
for Dakota Johnson. It didn't go and then we did
a repass on it when when Sidney Sweeney hosted and
then Gary richardson Our Friend Goes. I think it'd be
really cool if Bowen, if Bowen's girlfriend like like whatever
the situationship was with like like this hot woman like Sydney,

(22:18):
like that Sidney should get jealous of, Like what about
Gina Grishaan And I was like, I just sang with
her on stage on Monday, Laurie Anderson and Joan.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Biez put us together.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
It was so good. It was so dumb. But wait,
how did you and Laurie meet?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Laurie and I We met through Lou because I met
Lou through Dave Stewart, who I met on Show Girls
trying to Save my life during that time, which was hard, insane,
and Dave was playing with Lou I think it was
on Letterman one night and he's like, oh, why did
you come? You know, and like we'll go out after something.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Lou Reid was performing on Letterman or Lou.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Reed, Dave Stewart Bootsy Collins. It was like they were
a super grouper. I don't know what they were, but
Dave like, just come and then we'll go out afterwards.
And it happened to be Lou Reid's birthday, and he's like,
you know, I feel like going downtown and like, you know,
playing it's some dive bar or something, and I'm like, you,

(23:21):
I do do the really good impression, and so we
all went down. I happened to have my juice harp
because I always usually have. In fact, I can't believe
I didn't bring it today. I was racing It's okay.
And so they were all going to play in some
dingy bar and I just said, hey, I've got this
and he was like, yeah, come on up and play.
So I played with those guys and I was like

(23:42):
Bootsy Collins, Oh my god. And then when I was
doing Cabaret Sam, I'm attached to all the things.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I he was coming. I had met how I can't
remember how I met How, but how and and Lou
who came to see me do Sally because Lou was
doing a project and I think Hal said, why don't
we GENA can maybe help us with actors or something.
You know, he was doing the the Edgar Allen Poe's

(24:12):
The Raven.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so I was so nervous that I'm like Louie's
coming to night. I'm like, oh my god, I've got
a fucking like I didn't. I didn't really know how
that well yet. And anyway, so we did it. I
sang the ship out of it, and of course they
came up and I was and Louise Lois like, you know,
I fucking hate musicals, and I'm like, he said, but

(24:35):
you know, that was pretty cool. He goes, You're sang
on key the whole time, and I was like, is
that like they make me like they make me sing?
He's like no, no, I was, how do you do that?
And I said, you know, it's Broadway, you kind of
have to. Like, I'm so sorry, Like I was like,
but anyway, we became we became friends. It was kind
of a nightmare doing the project because I brought in

(24:57):
a bunch of friends and he and everyone was like,
oh my god, lou reed and they would do a
reading and I'd be like and he'd be like, can
you just uh, I don't know, can you just be better?
I'm like, ah, like, you can't talk to people like that.
We kind of like lou would say that, yeah, oh
he doesn't mince wirls and of the other actors were like,

(25:18):
oh my god. But then we just Lou and I
became house and like Laurie was always on tour and
so we'd do like Eagle Claw together, or we'd go
like eat food. You know, he was really fun to
eat food with because he's such a New York like yeah.
And then but you know, and one day he goes,
you know, Laurie, you should meet Laurie. I'm like, yeah,
I would really like to meet Laurie, not telling him

(25:41):
that Laurie was like my idol like she was. I mean, yeah,
Lou Read's cool, but I was like, like Laurie Anderson
and so. And I was also a little nervous because
I'm sure she's thinking, who's his chick? Like han out
with my guy all the time, right, even though it
was like but you know, like we never met, and
Lou and I we were hanging out, you know, and

(26:02):
so she was so he said, just come on over,
you know, she's you know here, And as soon as
I walked in, you know, she's there with her little
dimples in her dog. She was oh so nice to
meet too. And she's just a slice of I don't know,
she's otherworldly she's just so you talk about an energy
and a frequency. Immediately, I'm just like, I love you,

(26:23):
like I want to be like around you all the time.
But we really didn't after lou died, we didn't really
we met. We accidentally met at some thing, some reading,
at some Tibetan thing. I don't know what it was,
I can't remember, and I just said, uh, you know, hey,

(26:43):
how are you doing? And she just seemed lost to me.
She's like, I don't know. I said, are you? Are
you lost? And she just seems so vulnerable. I just
wanted to hug her. She's like, yeah, yeah, I said, well,
you know, I'm here if you want to, like, you know,
take a walk, or if you want to go to
dinner or a movie. She's like, could we go to India?

(27:05):
And I'm like, uh yeah, Lori Anderson sure to Indio.
Well we never went to India. We can really, I know.
But she we just became really close and she's been
a big influence in my life. She's been very helpful
to me in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
You were prepared to like offer that friendship to her
in that moment, though, like maybe like years before that,
it would have been you would have felt too uh,
you would not have maybe felt brave enough to like
be like we should do you need anything? You look lost?
Do you like? I think that that takes a lot
of courage.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
But she wasn't like Lori Anderson to me at that moment.
She was just like like someone who's a very pure, present,
like beautiful energy that just felt really vulnerable and I
just felt like, oh my god, I need to I
want to protect her, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I forgot about all that stuff. I mean, and I do.

(28:01):
I have so many I do have friends who are
so talented. I just love them, and then I go
to see them perform and I'm like, holy shit, they're
really incredible, Like like, oh my god, I forget.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Like they're embodying a different energy.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, but I think I'm friends with some of these people,
you know, because I don't treat them like that and
we are just like this and every now and then
I'm like, holy shit. I'm glad I became friends with
them before I started watching them. Else maybe I would
have been too weirded out.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah interesting, you know what. That's amazing that through Cabaret, though,
through how bringing Lou and how it all sort of yeah,
inspired that way. But oh, I'm going to fifty four
tonight to see Rocky.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I'm dying to schedule.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
But wait, Juliete's in there.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, she's perfect, she's a best.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I can't wait. There's something about you performing at Studio
fifty four that feels just so so scrumptious.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, it was really fun.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
That's where Cabaret was.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I know, I'm saying like, like you being there like
feels very powerful, like it was New York, on New York.
It's just like.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
They did the revival of that as well in that theater.
I was opening night of that with Alan Cumming and
the show w uh huh, which and it just to
see that staging again and I'm so happy that that
space got graced by his vision of it again because
that was also Yes, he did it again.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
It was also great because like the first the tables
were right there and people were drinking and getting wasted
and so like you could really react to, you know,
some people, and it just felt like it just made
the whole atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It was a really shocking production, I think, incredible like
it was. It was so cinematic and I was like, yeah, truly,
you know this he obviously directs film and he brought
that to the space. I just it was the first
time I saw a space really transformed. And you know
now they do it all the time, like Jamie Lloyd
the way that he transforms the space, but how much

(29:59):
you can transform.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
It was also like you'd walk in the theater and
like the kit kat gules, they were just so it
smelled so nasty, like you were just in it, you
know what I mean, it felt really it was. That
was a really special production.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Now they transformed it. They also did in the West
End and in which they also brought to New York.
But I just it's it's such an important, great enduring show.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, it's just my favorites.

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But I don't know. I just feel I just feel
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Speaker 1 (32:03):
We're so happy you're here so that we can ask
you the question, the central question of our podcast, which.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Is niger Sean, what is the culture that made you
say culture was for you?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I you know, I was thinking about this and I
was and I thought, God, this is a really good question,
and I only, yeah, it's a hard question because I'm like,
what exactly does me And the only thing that kept
coming up in different forms was I remember not so much.
I remember when I was younger and I saw my
first theater piece and I just thought like whoa, Like

(32:33):
these are magic people like on stage. But I remember
when my uncle took me to my first concert and
I was like six, uh huh, and it was like
three dog night or something. But I'd never been to
a big concert. Yes, and everyone sorted like lighting their
lights and everyone was singing at the same time. It
was so communal ah, and it was so like I

(32:57):
just felt like this is really important, and I just
went to go see I mean, so many concerts like
people don't know each other and they're all singing together.
I just saw, you know, nol and Gallagher.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was just gonna say, I just I kind of
I wish that I had gone to the Oasis show.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I went to the Oasis show in London, right, and
I have to say, there's so many like it was
like real bro culture of course, right, bros bro. But
these guys were like hmm and drinking their beers. But
then in the middle of songs they're like turning around
to strangers and hugging each other and everyone's high fiving,
and I'm like, what is going on? This is so beautiful.

(33:33):
Like on a different time, maybe they would have been fighting, sure,
or it would have been too agro or too macho.
And I love that as a culture because it's the
only one that I really have witnessed, even more so
than being like at a culty thing or a goory thing,
because that there's something fake to me about that, but
that really people like love each other and it's they

(33:54):
come together and they sing together and all different walks
of life.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's spiritual.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
It's spiritual. Even an agro guy like like what you're describing,
it can soften them to the point of just full tenderness. Yes,
sports can't do that.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Like guys that I would like watching Gwen God, this
will be rough. Let's leave this place early because this
is gonna get gnarly, you know, like uh, just like
literally hugging each other, hugging strangers, turning room giggle. And
I thought it softened them and it gave them a
commonality on a spiritual level. And everyone's singing together. I
just think there's nothing like it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, you lock eyes with someone, You're having a real
there is like a little relationship in that moment and
a shared thing.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yes, and be cool and even if people like if
you've seen concerts in different countries right with people singing,
if it's you're in Japan or in Turkey, wherever you are,
even people who don't speak English, they know all the
words right, and everyone's singing too, and it's just like,
this is so incredible. It doesn't like your race, your creed,

(34:57):
your color, whatever, it is like where everyone is meeting
in a common, beautiful space.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Well, you are the perfect person to ask this sort
of cliche question. But I have a feeling you're going
to have a cool answer, and this bespoke answer. What
was the live music moment of your life? Like, would
do you remember your bet? You're not your first necessarily best,
but like what was the formative music, live music concert

(35:23):
or moment for you.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I feel I knew like three things popped in my
head all at the same time. That well, I think
that first concert when it.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Was just like whoa was on stage again?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Three Dog Night one is alone.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Number that was like six.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I was little, Yeah, I remember, I mean remember going, well, God,
like they're flooding into my head now. I remember like
the first concert I went to on my own, like
you know, I think like one of our mothers drove
us or something, you know, but like it was Jethro Tull.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And I just remember feeling cool because I'm like, I'm
at a show without my parents or my sister brother.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
The atmosphere was like something that like made you empowered.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
It just it was just me going to a show
with my friends. It made me feel cool, you know.
But I remember, I I you know, it's so funny.
I can't remember what I talked about in the book
or not anymore because it's all starting to mingle in
my head.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know, your life, story of life.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, well it's just little weird moments, but you know,
I can't remember what I actually put in the book,
and what I didn't put in the book.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You tell me what you think was in the book,
and I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I mention when you know, my uncle was a you know,
he was a musician. He had orchestras and he was
a jazz guy, and he was doing some sort of
show I used to go to, like, you know, he
used to do the Grammys, and I'd go to like
the rehearsals when they'd all dressed in their geens. I
love that, and like they were normal, like and I thought,
oh my god, they're like normal people and they're so cool.

(36:59):
And then you see them perform and you're like, okay,
so there's two people, yes, performance people, and then like
you're just wearing your jeans and your sneakers people. So
that was cool. But I remember, I don't remember what
it was for I was little. I think my mom
just dropped me off and I was he was having
people come up and sing on stage, and I was

(37:19):
really tired. And there was a beautiful kind of a
black woman in a dress and she didn't have her
shoes on and she was sitting there and I just
remember like going like I was so tired. I just
kind of went over and like laid next, like laid
on her kind of, you know a little bit, because
she just felt so warm to me and beautiful, and

(37:43):
so I was leaning against her and she just put
her arm around me and she just started humming. And
I remember going like whoa like it it was humming,
but it went through my whole body. And then he
was just like, all right, you know, Sarah, come on
up and you know my woman.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
She went on stage.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
She went on stage to sing, and I remember thinking
that lady's not wearing any shoes, like an adult, Like,
who's not wearing any shoes going up on stage? You know?
And then she started singing, and I'm just like, my
person's a really good singer, Like she was my personal
all of a sudden. I remember saying to uncle Jack like, yeah,
I like her, like I think she can really sing.

(38:22):
He's like, yeah, that's Sarah Vaughan. She's a wonderful singer.
God like. But I she hummed and like it hummed
through my body.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I never like I've never seen heard a voice like that.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
How old were you at that?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Within the sound has been six. I was a skinny
little thing. I mean I literally just like plot myself
like this on her, and she just kind of, you know,
I was little enough to not have any shame. I
don't know you, but you look cozy. I'm like laying next.
I'm like laying on you basically this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
And your uncle. So he he's in the no because
he he's he's he's he's scoring all these things. He's
written all these wrote the Charlie's Angels theme song.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
He wrote. My uncle was like the coolest guy I
ever knew. He started off before I was born. Obviously,
he was in Paris living get this with Quincy Jones.
They were studying under the same people, like these hot
guys in their sixties, I mean in nineteen sixties. Backrack
was around as well too. I'm always like you, well, Quincy,

(39:22):
tell me stories. He's like, and I'm like, motherfucker, you
don't remember, just tell me something. But they anyway, he
was playing. They were all studying jazz, and so he
was playing in some little bar and then Judy Garland
saw him. She brought him to the States to become
her arranger. And then from that Jack Jack my uncle,

(39:44):
and then he ended up doing TV and like variety shows,
and then he ended up starting to you know, he
did like Barney Miller and Charlie's Angels and Where's Papa
and the Jerk and like he did.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
His Angels is a bop that is direct.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
That's when he got into that. Remember I had that sound.
But then he his real love was you know, he
had an orchestra and he put all these great musicians together,
the Jazz Symphonic Orchestra, and so they would you know,
showcase new you know, uh arrangements and new composers, and
he'd have shows and it was really fun.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I put forth like a pretty flawed thesis at the
at your How To Academy Q and A. I was
reading the book and I was like, I think the
common thread here is that men were disgusting towards you
your whole life, and I want to take that back
because I feel like I am not accounting for the
men who were who really like opened your eyes to

(40:43):
things and and yeah, saw you for who you were
as this talented, amazing person.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Well you were just talking about because like the Valley stories.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
But like Childlusters, like it's it's it's the rats and
stuff like growing up in the valley when the porn
industry was being created, which meant that there were not
exactly boundaries.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
It was a very toxic world and it was needed.
The helicopter parent hadn't been invented. Yes, like you know
be home gg before six.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Okay, nothing can happen. Yeah, we grew up in that moment.
Like I think we were one of the last. I mean,
I'm sure it still happens, but like I remember, I remember, like, okay,
just like we would just run off for miles as
long as we were home by like sex. But even that,
I remember my dad being like at the time of
that being true, like you take your bike out and
go wherever. My dad was like, you know, I used
to ride my bike to Shay Stadium, hop the fence,

(41:33):
and we lived on Long Island, and like he would
just he would just ride his bike for like a
long way and hop the fence at Shay. No one
was none the wiser by himself as a kid like
six or seven years old, No to watch them watch
the mats like and how old seven, eight, nine years old?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Like it was a different sort of world. I mean
now everyone's so I mean.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Older than that, probably like eleven twelve, you know, but
young you were a child and you're you're out there.
So it's just like the abandon with which you were
able to live your life as a coming of age
person in the you know, in the valley at that time.
It had to be like like a licorice pizza vibe.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
But it's very much. I mean I always tell you know,
Paul and like we have because we had similar upbrings Pta,
but I said, I have like the female version. I
sent May and Paul a book. I don't know if
they've read it yet, but you know, I'm like, this
is like my is it's my version with boobs, yes coming,
But like the the you know, the waterbed store that

(42:38):
we'd have, the liquor speeds that we had, the other
record store where I stole my first record. What I
was thinking, I don't know, led Zeppelin Ford like an album.
I stole the album under my thing. Yeah, I mean crazy,
that was really nuts. But yeah, it was a different
sort of time, and you know, all those people were around,
we just weren't aware of it, you know, so you
kind of were left on your own devices. That's like

(42:59):
kind of the whole I started getting. I didn't realize
I was writing so much of that, but then the
valley stuff just started, like why am I thinking this?
And then these memories started coming back and I'm like wow,
it's kind of gnarly childhood and everyone's like, oh, how
did you get so tough? And I'm like, well, god,
I just you almost had to be in order to

(43:19):
survive like bad situations. But when you're younger, you don't
think about it, is like oh, I'm surviving. You're just like, Okay,
don't get killed by that guy, get out of here.
These are bad guys, and just so you just go,
go go. And it wasn't until I started writing it
I'm like, yeah, wow, I was really like slightly traumatized
and kind of scared all the time, but you just

(43:41):
had no time to be scared.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You just, yeah, you're on alert the whole time, so
there's no time to be like I've had to be
on alert. You're just on alert.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
You're just on alert. It's just like danger, danger, deep boop,
and it kind of gives you a sense of like
danger at two o'clock, cross the street over here, you know.
So it was kind of it was good training for
like living in New York and then Hollywood. You know,
and the rest of the world. You just all of
a sudden know how to deal with weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
You know, well you talk about I mean this that
the story behind Alpha Pussy being well, why don't you
tell it? How how did you arrive at a title
like this? For everyone?

Speaker 3 (44:17):
That's yeah, because everyone thinks, oh, alf a pussy, but
it's really just.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Maybe just sallacious, but there's actually something, there's real strength
in how you arrived.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Well, okay, so when I became aware of it, I
just remember and and I became super aware of it
because I used to use the term and I used
to like use the I didn't know it was a
philosophy until there was an aha moment when I remember
after I had gotten show Girls and I was really excited,
you know, because it was like a big break for me.

(44:46):
And I got to dance and I got to play ooh,
I'm Margo now instead of Eve, and my head was
already so right, I'm like ooh, and you know, I
was like, this is such a cool part Like and
then I remember male like executive or agents. I'd go
to parties and you know, at that moment, like you're
in Hollywood, like, oh, I finally have something cool that
I'm doing when people are like, oh, what are you doing,

(45:07):
because that's what they always ask And instead of feeling
like a like a loser, I'm like like, oh, yeah,
I'm doing Showgirls. But they'd be like, hey, so I
see you're doing Showgirls and they would stare at my chest,
go down my body, and I found myself like covering,
like crossing my arms and getting very intellectually like, oh, yes,
you know Paul Vereff and you know his Dutch films

(45:28):
are really incredible. I'm just spetters on me the way
he moves it can I'm thinking, what the fuck are
you talking about? As I was backing away and talking
like this, yeah, And about the fourth time that happened,
I thought, what is going on? Like I'm actually really
excited and I'm being made to feel weird and defensive

(45:48):
minimize myself and getting very i mean really like like this,
and I thought about I for some reason, my cat
flashed in my head. And I've always had male care
like kind of wild, you know, and the thing about
a male kit and especially if they're a little bit
fairal just a little bit just a little bit well,

(46:08):
they're off the street. You know, they're like rescue kitties, you.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Know, more than I do. I'm just making a stupid jim.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
No, but they but I'm sure certain pedigree cats maybe
they don't do it. I don't know, I've never had one.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm obsessed with this philosophy though. Okay, you're about to
describe it.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Okay, So anyway, the thing is when you have a
wild cat, you know, they they you know, scratch you
and they jump on you and they start, you know,
wreaking havoc everywhere. And so I would like stare at
the kiddie, and they would stare at me, like when
they're really little, you know, and you just like stare, stare.
You have a staring contest, and if you look away

(46:43):
for a second, they will fucking attack you. They like
jump on your head, so you can't. So I would
just stare, stare, stare, be in all send. At some
point they go and they roll on their back the cave,
therefore making me the alpha pussy. Gotcha right?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
And they will and they will never try to reclaim
that they will.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
But like a certain boundary has been and all of
a sudden you can say no and they It's like
how you break that energy? And I thought about it,
and so the next time one of these guys came
up to me and he was like, you know, oh
show girls. I just I remember like looking him right
in the eye and just saying, oh, yeah, it could
be so great. I could be dancing naked, kissing guys

(47:25):
kissing girls. This could be so much fun. I was
so nice, but I kept that eye contact, eye contact,
eye contact, and then he went, oh, yeah, that's cool,
and he backed up and he looked away, and I thought,
oh my god, this is everything.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I'm the alpha pussy.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
You got an alpha pussy the shit out of these situations,
and you know what, and it works. And I realized
I do it a lot. You know who just did
it recently, not to bring in a whole other big energy.
But she was talking about this moment. I'm like, oh
my god, alpha pussy the shit out of that moment.
I mean, you can cut this part if you want,
but it's gets kind of you know, have you been

(48:01):
following did you follow the the Giselle? Uh? Oh my god,
how you say Pelico? Pelico? She's the woman. She's the woman,
the French woman who was married for like a zillion
years and then her husband had been dosing her and
raping her with different people, and she found out that

(48:22):
it's a horrible story, this French woman, she's got kids
and like this and that, and then all of a
sudden he gets arrested. She finds out not only had
he been dosing her right, but then like he'd been
bringing all these people in to sleep with her and
filming it. By the way, there's a whole weird culture
going on out there about this, which.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Is five million members on that.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Isn't that insane anyway, So of course by the time
she finds out, of course you talk about betrayal, and
just like what they go to to uh they go
to the trial. No, no, oh, no, he's in jail,
and now there's gonna be the trial and all the
people are gonna come. And of course everyone assumes because

(49:06):
in a case like that, where you know she's the victim,
you know that she's gonna say, you, no, I want
a closed you know case. I don't want to be
talking about all this stuff in public. And so they
ask her the question. She says, no, no, I'd like
it all to be open, like everything public, everything on.
You could film me do everything, and you could see

(49:26):
the guys who are being tried kind of like what.
And there was this one moment that she was talking
and she said, she goes and he's one man who
had raped me. She goes forgive my accent, and I
mean he just said for her. She goes. But he
stared at me. He like was looking at me, like
staring at me, like like to intimidate me. And I

(49:48):
just looked right back at him. I looked at him
without any shame, like I'm like, I'm not the victim,
he's the victim or I'm the victim here. Why should
I feel a shame? He should feel a shame? She
was And I looked at him and they finally looked away,
and I knew i'd you know, and she'd want it
was a pure alpha pussy wow. And it was just
like standing her ground in the face of this, and

(50:10):
she goes, why should I turn away? He should be ashamed?
Why should I be ashamed? I loved love? She is
really incredible. That's that story.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I mean, just even like the power of that, just
holding someone's gaze, like it's why people sometimes won't even
look you in the eye to begin with exactly. It's
like what I'm just I'm thinking of when Pam BONDI
wouldn't look at any right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
My dad used to always like if I had a
date who came over, and afterwards, of course I'd always say, like,
what'd you think? He goes, I didn't like him? He goes,
he wouldn't look me in the eye. Ah, because he
would shake their hand and say hey, and he would
just really look at them and if they looked away,
he goes, No, he goes, they're dodgy, they're hiding something.

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Speaker 2 (51:59):
I tried to do it Alpha Pussy demonstration role play.
You did, and I feel like I feel like I
didn't fully come prepared when did at the at the
Q and A at the How To Academy. I mean,
I feel like I want to try it again. Okay,
so pretend I'm a gros ceedy guy and I think
you should try this too. When I fail, you don't

(52:22):
have to fail. Hey, Gina, congrats on the new book.
Awesome and thank you. I love how you included boobs
in the title really turns me on.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Well, you know, boobs is kind of a it's like
boobs like then act differently, and people start acting.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Different, I go, I go a little feral for them. Really,
oh yeah, and well it was really nice talk to you.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Chase yourself away with you eye contact after that with anyone,
you are a psychopath.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
But then see, I just kept looking at you and
just letting you speak, and then all of a sudden
you realize you were sounding weird, so you just kind
of go, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
It wasn't I was.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I fully went in expecting to like stand down, but
I didn't expect it to be give yourself. I gave
myself up.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, and it's you know, there's a power I like,
and I'm just learning it too, by the way of
just And it's been interesting on this because people come
up and they start telling me stories. And sometimes people
just like want to be heard, so you just like
let them speak and you just listen to them. But
if someone's like digging themselves in a hole, instead of
saying you're an idiot, you just kind of go.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Mmmm, it's so much more powerful.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I think it's actually quite you give something away, if
you call someone something, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's not powerful. That's why when people are like, it's
not power. It's very quiet and pleasant it's almost like
a mirror shows and they're they that's what itselves being
like like I'm a douche or I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Felt that way. Yeah, I was like, oh, I'm not
a fucking gross.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, I can see that in your eyes. And it's
fun to watch them do that.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
The most powerful people don't rush to respond. No, it's
so true. And I think it's also because they're not
betraying any anxiety, because I feel like sometimes what keeps
me verbally processing is anxiety and telling yourself that helps.
But it is true. The things that sit in my
mind that I replay over and over are interactions I've had.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
What I feel like I spoke too much, too much.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, it's it's out of insecurity, and it's like and
we just want to fill the space. But like to
be able to hold silence and just look at someone
is really powerful.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
That's not easy too, Okay, I would you like to try.
I kind of want to try being the alphabusy you want.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I want to him, hey, bam, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Hey man, I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I'm okay. I'm just uh, you know, I can't help
but be a little distracted.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
By what you're thick where.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
You're thick all over?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Man?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I mean, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I just went to a physical therapist today who said
I had low gluteal strength. But thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Well, I mean he might be a professional whatever, she
might be a prefect. You said she.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
She was a physical therapist. Yes, her gender was well.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Well, I'm as male as they come. What does that
do today?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, I'm pretty neutral on that. Actually on me, I'm
neutral on men in general and.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Men in general. Maybe you haven't been with a real
man yet.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I've been maybe plenty of real men. I don't know
that that's true. I know Jery saying something.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You lost your thing right there?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
What're you got?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Defensive? And you said, I've been with plenty of men.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So you're not even supposed to defend?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
No? Why why that? Try to lower yourself to that.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Let's try it again. Let's try again. Okay, new interaction,
new interaction?

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Anway, can I just give you a little direction.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I'm gonna I'm gonna want to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I just think, when in doubt, just have compassion for
the person, like why are they such a dick?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Totally? And I was, I was filling the silence.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Too much, and you could use that in your head
as a way of strength.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Okay, go ahead, Yang, I'm at rogers.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Not much? How are you?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Congrats on everything? You're amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
You'll have to be more specific.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I mean it's hard to be when I see you
crushing it every single second. It's like from wicked to
SNL to lost coach. You're amazing. It's very attractive to
see you succeed.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Mm hmm yeah, no problem.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Can I just stop this right now?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
You sure you're just flirting with me?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah? You're like flirting. You're not doing You're not giving
because I was about to slip in.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
It doesn a I know he hates this. So it's
very attractive to see you succeed.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Really, is it gets you hard?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
You want to be all forward about it. Yeah, it
gets me hard, but it's already it's been getting me
hard for years. That's not new.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I'm so interested as to why you're telling me this.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Now, why you're here, I'm here, two guys. What's a
big deal? I've always thought, what's the big deal? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
M h.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Are you employing silence to try to get me to
spin out? Babe, I'm not going to spin out. I
feel very good about the way I'm feel like what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Oh, I don't have to employ anything.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
You employ me take care of that ass noon and night.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'm so confused.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I bet you are. That's how I like him, confused.
I come in. Which way is up? Asses and elbows? Babe?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I'm confused and elbows?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Confusing? Fuck, you're gonna be thinking about it for a
very long time. You're talking to your therapist about it.
You're in therapy, definitely, and it would have been hotter
if you weren't.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I don't think you should advertise being a confusing fuck?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Do you think I care about what you think?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Any confusion during sex is potentially legally troubling for you.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Do you feel like you're in trouble right now? Do
you feel like you're in trouble?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I'm good. I'm all above board, Babe.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I like to see you sweat.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I'm not sweating my follicles.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Aren't follicles? Talk dirty to me? Use big s at words.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
That's an anatomy word, Oh, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So you know the human body I want to get.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
I don't know what that was very entertaining.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I don't think you're totally understanding the assignment.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I'm not see I'm such a little sub house.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
No, you're well, first of all, I don't think you
were being intense enough.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Oh so you because.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
It was more of a flirty thing. That it was
too flirty and you're too.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Like going in Matt.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
It's almost like if it was a person, if let's
say you didn't know him at all and he came's like, yeah,
your your your career really makes me hard. You just
be like, excuse me, Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Now now I want to see YouTube?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Oh my god? Okay, I'm scared. Okay, am I the
scary guy?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
You do you want to be that? Do you want to?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Actually? Can I be?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
You want to?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
You should be a scary guy.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I should be scared.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Okay, okay, here you uh mm hmm, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Hi, hey, hey, I like those patches on your knee
that go up to your crotch. There's so much super
fucking hot.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It's crazy that you just say that to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
By the way, Oh hey, I'm I'm Gerardo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I know that's not right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Well, maybe if you're lucky, I'll give you my real
name later.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, you have a fake name. That's weird. Why you're
out here in these streets lying?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Why do you ask me some mony fucking questions?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Quite frankly, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Really very defensive. Usually get this defensive round people. You're
too cute to be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
So I think I'm having fun with you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Oh are you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
That's good at least I'm having fun are you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Are you you psycho?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Psycho? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
You Psycho came over to me and talked about how
much as you were giving me this come hither look?
Was I really oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, oh maybe that's just the way I look.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I saw you touching yourself. You kind of wooed me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Out, you did, you did not see a little You're
a little tea. This is what you are, Gerardo. I
was turned on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
This didn't really feel like an alpha pussy movement. No,
but that was really fun. Yeah, it was kind of
a dick right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
You were great, and the way it was you were.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You disarmed completely. It is I don't think anyone can.
Clearly not everyone can do alpha pussy, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I think listen, being alphabusy is not just about it's
about It's like if someone comes you say, hey, you
know what, your career is all wrong? You know what
you should be doing, you should be doing blah blah
blah blah, and you're just like, oh, thinking like do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You work in the industry, Yeah, I know how to stand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Might say I'm your agent, okay, saying you know what
all this what what are you doing this thing for?
This is bullshit, Like, honestly, we need to put you
in bigger movies, We need to make some more money
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
This is not you help me with all my big projects, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I just think you're going about this. I think you're
wasting your time doing this this project. I think you
should probably do it anymore because I have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I have retorts from my actual agent where I'm like, oh,
I got wicked for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Right there when I'm saying this, it's you're like, it's like, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Tell me what and that situation, I'm totally like, oh,
you have no leg to stand on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Right, Like that's being as is just standing up for
your own like don't let someone tell you what you
should be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Of course, I think I guess you just have to
be like preemptively sure of your your own convictions, and
that is probably the thing that people have to like
arrive at themselves. You can't teach them that alpha pusy
is a beautiful modular thing. They have to start out
knowing that they are or.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Or you have to know what doesn't feel right. Like,
you don't have to know everything, but if someone's saying
something or saying, hey, let's go here, let's go to
that club there, and if you're in your body, you're
like and you're like, no, thanks, something good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, you get a lot better at listening to that voice.
Though as you get older, I have found, like, because
when you don't know, you just don't know. And everything
about youth is you a don't think anything bad is
gonna happen to you because nothing has and be you
trust people. Yeah, I remember when I first came to
New York. And also Hollywood tells you stories and they

(01:03:15):
you're allowed to believe them. When you're a kid, such
as you might just get discovered on the street, you
know what I mean. I remember when I was walking
in front of our dormant and I tell you that, well,
that's what they tell us when we're young. Jennifer Lawrence
was discovered in a yeah, like Cameron Diaz, you know,
you know Brad Pitt drove to Hollywood forty three bucks

(01:03:35):
and then he booked them in Louise not long after.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
But I was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Walking on the street our freshman year on fourteenth Street,
in front of a dorm that I was at. A guy,
handsome guy in his forties, comes up, you should really model?
Have you ever thought of modeling? And I'm like eighteen,
like very very thin. I ran track and I looked
young and I was just like, no, but I guess

(01:04:01):
it's happening. I'm being discovered on the street. They set
me to a rooftop where a guy had me take
off my shirt after about three pictures of me with
clothes on, took pictures of me for almost an hour,
and then he said, great, we're going to really try
to expose you. And I went home and I was like, cool,
is there gonna And the last thing I asked was
is there gonna be like a website where these photos

(01:04:22):
are on? He gave me the website. I remember. I
looked later it was all just shirtless boys my age
and no names.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And that's when I realized, only a few years ago
that what that probably was was sex trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
And the only thing I thought at the time, as
an eighteen year old, even someone that had proximity to
New York and wasn't an full idiot, just was young,
was that that kind of thing can happen positive lauda Tory,
you know what I mean, not the story, which thank
god we're hearing now about the many ways in which
you can get snatched up like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Oh yeah, for sure, because you just don't know. That's
when you're young and you want to work. I do
have that story. The one of our cheerleaders is missing story.
When I remember being so like, I didn't have an agent,
and I was like, oh my god, like I just I,
you know, have my head shot and I'd read in
the backstage like, you know, looking for an athletic girl

(01:05:21):
eighteen who could be you know, scared and you know
and happy and cute, nice figure, you know, bubba, all
these things. I'm like, I could do all of that,
you know, like sixteen or fifteen, I'm like, I could
do that. I didn't really think about the eighteen part.
I mean, you send in your picture, they're like thank
you for responding. To know what is now called one
of our cheerleaders is missing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yeah, so this is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
A this is a tour de force part where you
know the force part where the where the girl has
to be chained to a brick wall after she's been
kidnapped and she has to her and her deranged kidnapper
who is played by me, the writer, director, editor, producers,
not tour the I'm like, what's our tour me? And

(01:06:08):
it just sounded pretty bad. It's like, come to this
place on Vendor Boulevard. There's a little parties like it's
a lead in a movie. It sounds like a good part,
and it's like sounds kind of dodgy, you know, And
I remembered, luckily, I had the thinking, God, this is weird,
and I told my cousin, you know who was in
the business at the time. He's really a singer, but

(01:06:30):
I think he wanted to be a manager. His name
is Benny Medina, and I remember him telling and he's
like what, He's like, You're not going there alone. I'm
going to go there with you. And you know, I
think he was like, I'm going to kick this guy's ass.
He was very protective, and I remember thinking, yeah, this
sounds kind of dumb, let's just not do it. And

(01:06:51):
I didn't go, but I never would have gone by
myself because it felt but how do you know? And
also I think if you're a guy I talked to,
it's different because you think I'm a guide. This is
it's just there's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
No narrative about especially when we were that age, there
was no narrative about like what men in Hollywood we're
doing and continue to do. Sorry to young gay men. Yeah,
and there is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Be sorry about saying no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
It's not a happy topic, but it still happens, and
it happens with people who are still.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Powerful women to make. I have like friends of mine
who are like very successful. Now. When I started talking
about all this stuff, he was just like, this happened
to me too, you know, as a young actor from
women and from men. Yeah, And it's just it's, you know,
it's kind of gross when you're young and people, that's

(01:07:40):
when it's the most important. And that's what I just think.
I was really lucky, Like I sometimes think my brother
was kind of insane, you know, because you tie me
up and hang me up on the you know, chin
up bar. If I didn't get out of our Houdini
game and just like leave me there. And so I
kind of like hat got an instinct of like, oh,
like let's deer away from that right now. In this

(01:08:02):
so I was always a little bit on my toes, right,
and as a young person, if you didn't have to be,
then you're going to learn the hard way exactly. And
that's that's every every experience like trains you for the
next hopefully and hopefully you know, but sadly sometimes those

(01:08:22):
experiences are really fucking bad and people aren't lucky. I
was lucky that nothing really bad happened to me. Lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
So that then when you get into a situation and
we just I just wanted to like mention this and
we don't have to get too in depth, but it's
like I connect that to you doing Show Girls and
Paul demanding things that were probably very strenuous and difficult
for you when you just wanted to do a good

(01:08:50):
job and like make this role like Margot Channing, make
Crystal Connors the new Margot Channing. And and meanwhile he
just kind of, like Gabe like pushed you to a
limit where you finally pushed back and were like I
am someone with you can't put me through this indignity. Right, Like,
there's a moment in the book where I'm like, oh
my god, this is so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah. I mean I think the biggest mistake, or not mistake,
the biggest uh. Like. I went into that movie thinking
it's one thing, and I was like, whoo, this is
gonna be amazing. It's to be dark and it's to
be this. And I walked on it set, I'm like,
holy shit, oh my god, there was like it was
a totally different ballgame y. Yeah, And you know, as

(01:09:32):
an actor, it was a good lesson thinking well, I
can't do what I was gonna do else I'm gonna
look like an asshole and it's just not gonna work.
And then I'm acting with someone who's in a totally
different sort of movie that than was in my head.
And also what he was directing was so right and
colorful and like whoa bit booboo, and I thought it
was gonna be like m right, you know, so right away,

(01:09:54):
but I was in it and I wasn't gonna give
up the part. But right away I started lying about
a lot of things just because when it was you know,
I thought I had my first really good idea, and
I'm like, oh my god, I got a great idea,
you know, because I really wanted to. I saw the potential,
and I'm like, this is a big break for me,
and it's also great part. There's a lot you could
play with in it. And I remember saying, you know, like, oh,

(01:10:18):
it's so cool. Like when we first see her in
her dressing room. Everything should be fake, you know, like
she takes out her fake boobs and I rub off
my fake nose and take off my fake eyelashes, and
I take off some fake hair, I pull off my nails,
and then I go, hey, can you bring this thing in?
I said, I said, even my voice is fake. She's
not like, oh, the Southern Beil, you know, the Texas

(01:10:40):
Golden whatever she was, I said. And then she's like
some from Brooklyn or something. I said, that's so great.
Everything is fake. And he was just like, what are
you talking about? And he's like, no, no, no accents.
I said, what do you mean, no, no, no accents.
I don't go into any accents in this whole entire movie.
I'm like, she's she's doing yellow Rose from Texas, you know,
like I say, Darlin, like every other word like I

(01:11:02):
have to have you know, yeah, I have I have
to have an accent, Like this part doesn't work without
an accent, and he said no. Then I just started talking.
I said, well, I'm just going to use my accent
because I was born raised in Tennessee. My sister lived
in Nashville. It's not exactly Texas, but I think it's
And I just started talking like that, and then I
just had to start lying about everything just to protect

(01:11:23):
the integrity of the part, which I already knew what
I wanted to do and how to play it. I
saw it so clearly. And but at the end of
the day, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Can navigate that situation after understanding like the things, the
parameters that are put on, like an actor, an actress
in a movie very male, gayzy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Yeah, Like, well, that moment hit I really that moment
really became apparent in a rehearsal when we were doing
the S and M number. You know, I just know
that there was I was like in some S and
M outfit and all these dancers were kind of naked
below me, and I'm hanging on a rope really high
up of the ground, and it just like this weird soliloquy.

(01:12:07):
I was just like, oh my god, I studied the classics.
I wanted to play check Off, I was going to
play Medea, I was going to do Masha. It's like,
how the fuck did we get here? And it became
really crystal clear at that moment. It's like, we need
to be really fucking good in this movie else our

(01:12:28):
career is over before it began, and so up there
and then all of a sudden, you know, I was like,
it was this weird moment up there, you know in
the musical that would be like the big like song
of discovery of how did we get here?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yes? Yeah, ding ding ding, you know, and then you
really internalize that moment, I feel, because because then right
after that you do Bound, and that is like that
is just something that is so still so fucking great
and important, and not that the other work isn't, but
I'm like that was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
An important well that was that was a real kind
of apple see thing too, because right after show Girls,
at these agents, oh, we're going to make you do
a big star. We're gonna get this, I said, I
need a movie right now, right now. Before this, I
was like, you just don't get what's gonna happen. This
isn't gonna be what you think it's gonna be, because
and I was panicking and they were sending me weird

(01:13:19):
things and I saw I read Bound, and I remember
going like, first of all, a, this is kind of genius,
like and be like I want to do this, like
I really want to play this. It's totally the opposite
of that. And they're like, we can't let you play
this part. It's a lesbian. Like you just played a lesbian.
I'm like, okay, First of all, Crystal is not a lesbian,
she's by or whatever. I said. Secondly, so who gives

(01:13:41):
a fuck? I said that this is more about you know,
I went through my whole thing. They said, you know,
new directors and I met them and I'm like, let
me just tell you something. These directors are motherfuckers. They're
really good. And then it just kept going on. They said,
we can't let you do this movie else. Uh, you know,
you'll ruin your career. We can't represent you. I said, really,

(01:14:02):
and so I left.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I left agents incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
I love that, which I really was so like, wait,
why can't you Why is this going to ruin my career?
And at the time, you know, you weren't allowed to
play a lesbian ELT type cast. You know, I didn't
even look at it that way, right, which was weird
because you could have gay men on the screen, gay
women was seemed more taboo. It was more reason.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Etched in your filmography or something, or I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
There'd been a couple of powerful I think I think
the men making decisions, whether it's subconscious or not. At
the time, there's something about like women in love you
don't need any men, so that threatens their ego. I think, yeah,
you know what I mean. It's like Bound is two
female protagonists and they weren't like fucking each other either

(01:14:50):
for the male gaze. They were making love. They were
strong in it. They were doing it because they wanted
to do it, and I think the men were like
I think, I think, you know, anyway, the decision making
men and at that time, we're probably not seeing the
value in that, right because it didn't involve.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Them, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Well, it's also interesting you should say that because I
remember when we got to the love scene, which was
supposed to be a love scene between the two of them,
and it was all done in one take. I mean
it was really it was like the four of us
having sex, because it was like move your foot, one
wall comes up, one wall goes down. I mean, there
are genius filmmakers and Bill Pope, who was so incredible

(01:15:30):
doing the cinematography. Is it was all very choreographed, and
so we had to get it in one take, and
so we would watch it after each take, and there
was one that Jen and I did and it was
so beautiful. You didn't see it, by the way, you
didn't see any boob, you didn't see anything. You didn't
see any female part of a body. But our looks
towards each other was so intense. We were so locked

(01:15:52):
in that it was you could feel it, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Was felt more explicit, even though it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
It was a love scene them falling in love, and
it was so intense that all of us were like,
holy shit, that's the one, and they were like, that's
the one. Mm hmmm. When the board or the you know,
the ratings, people are like, no, you can't use that one,
you can use this one instead, which, by the way,
you saw a little bit of boob, you saw a

(01:16:18):
little bit of this, and it was a fucking scene,
the love scene, mm hmm, exactly what let us do?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
It was like, wow, so they give you an NC
seventeen on the one that was more love making, Yeah,
but the one where women were fucking you guys got
the r even though there was nudity.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Yep, see yep.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
That's that's so interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yeah, is the love making scene? Is that cut anywhere?
Like that? Like that take?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Does that exist in a cut?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Uh, I'm sure it's somewhere. I mean, I wonder if
they did the director's cut. I'm going to see them.
There's a bound thirty year anniversary and they see Jennifer
and Joey I think on the seventh, like in two
days whenever, in a couple of days from now, whatever
day this is, and one of the directors is going
to be there. I think I'll ask her. Wow, yeah,
because it was really we were all like, that's it

(01:17:11):
and it's not in the final cut.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Oh, but it's criterion So.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I don't think. I don't think they changed that. I
don't think they added anything. I think we had comments
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Sure, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
I have to ask, but I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
So fascinating that like that that there's that hurdle to clear,
which is then the ratings board, and they get to
actually make like a creative decision like that right away.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Look, the same thing happened. Look at Show Girls, the
same thing in a way. It was like, I mean
that was NC seventeen, which I do think it was
its downfall, and it's like cut out five seconds of
whateverness and make it an R. And it's like, oh,
because there was too many tits. Like it's like in America,
especially at that time, maybe still now, like you know,

(01:17:54):
if you show too much nudity in the female body,
like oh too much, too much, but if you like
cut off of tit, Oh yeah, that's okay, we can
make that or all right, that's cool. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Violence is always like I can't believe some of the
things that I saw, like in PG thirteen movies and
and what's not allowed that maybe it's it's totally different.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Look what's going on tape on the TV now, I
mean it's just I mean all across the board, it's
like soft core.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Right wait, I could do I don't thinks money on that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I think this is I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
So this is our I know we could talk to
you for ever.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Oh no, this is so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I know we love having you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
You've done it all, but I could be your go to,
like someone can't showing out that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Bowen and Gina. That's what they're all going to be
saying after this, I'll sit in the corner and be
like Robin.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
We should do check ins like Robin, I'm robbing. We
should do check ins where we do alpha pussy like
progress trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
We need to work on yours. I really I didn't
understand it until today.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
And I didn't understand your research.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
You're not a very sweet and I think it's something
in your DNA, right, you have a cultural thing of
being very nice, I think, and you have something in
your your Canadian Yeah, okay, there you go, there you go.
I mean that's a it's a built in niceness.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
And you know I'm from the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Yeah that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Where are you from Long Island? We have a big
personalities and attitudes. Yeah, yeah, I got what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
But it's it's really hard when you're it's like, you know,
the same as when you're raised to always be nice
to people. Like it's the and kind and not contradict
people like that's like a built in thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
How I describe why I communicate the way I communicate
because the way I learned My mom was a hairdresser
on Long Island. So I send the women talk to
each other, and this is the this is the way
I learned how to communicate. My mom would finish the haircut,
and then her client, which is a Long Island woman,
we'll go to tip her. And if she was a
good client or a friend of my mother's, my mother
would go, stop it. You're ridiculous. Get out of here. No,

(01:20:07):
I'm not taking that, Trina, let me pet. Come on, No,
this is ridiculous. You do such an amazing job. Why
can't I tip you? Get out of my house? I
swear to God, I don't want to see you again.
I love you so much, goodbye. That's why. That's because
it's it's a it's one hundred words for every one word.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Mash your face and if you don't get out of
husband's ass, like get out exactly. And that's why I
think like that that downloaded to me. It's a thing
that where you never have enough to say. But it's
also a defense mechanism. Yeah, in a way of communicating.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
It's so interesting. I mean the way you grow up
and people grow up, you know, you see. I mean
I remember like I was the youngest and I couldn't
get a word in edge why so it was always like,
you know, the person talking really fast because like no
one would let me speak ever, uh huh. And and
I couldn't even put sentences together because I was like,
by the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Time you process what you wanted to say, it was done.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
It's like, you know what I mean. It's like you think.
I remember doing my first like round table like press tour,
and they're like, you know, this is really everyone asked
you questions. They're all gonna and I would I would
they'd asked me a question, and I'd start talking fast.
I realized, no one's interrupting me, like this isn't they
actually want to hear what. I loved it. It was

(01:21:26):
like therapy. I'm like I could slow down and actually
start talking, and I literally kept waiting for someone to
tell me to shut up. I'm like, this is amazing,
Like I know it went on and I'm like, no,
you don't understand. Like I've been waiting for this, just
to like say something and not have to rush because
you know I wasn't allowed to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Well you're right at home on a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
But now we are going to rush to talk. Okay,
but but it's good. There's a lot of space to
get what you want to say. It's a minute long segment.
This is I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Wait, can I look at my little note?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Of course are going to yeah, and mine is related
to ratings and all that. So I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
This is not rotters. Don'tink so many time starts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Now, I don't think so, honey, you're gonna give a
movie or TV series of rating. I want to see
who was on the board have decided that I want
transparency in the motion picture arts and scientists. Whoever does
the ratings, I believe it's them. I want to see,
show us the board, show us the jury that watched
this film, that watched Bound and said I want the

(01:22:31):
one where women are fucking. I bet you're a bunch
of nasty guys. If I look at you right in
your eyes and said why you like that, you little freak,
you would look right away, and better believe you would crumble.
In the face of me, Gina and even Bowen Yang.
By the time we're done with him, we're gonna get
him making eye contact all the duda day, just like

(01:22:51):
I am right now, and I'm looking you in the eyes.
You at home who are rating our films and keeping
us out of the cinemas, you will win because by
the time I'm done with you, I will make sure
I know all of your names and now have your addresses,
and I will have you know that Bound, in my opinion,

(01:23:12):
should be PG. Thirteen. Get to the cinemas re release
the Criterion film Bound, and I want to see Bound too.
And that's one minute one o nine. I went over,
but I had a lot to say.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
I always want to do one of those documentaries on
the board, like and they're probably like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Old kind of like there was one dude, this film
is not yet rated. I believe that was on I
think Netflix. Does anyone know about this? It was called
this film is not urrated. It's about the rating process
and specifically about how it killed a lot of YEP
movies that were artistically pushing things forward to queer films,
you know, films with diverse casts because they're not speaking

(01:23:52):
that language or whatever it is. It's happening on screen,
so it must be scary and bad to them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Well, guess what we have coming towards us now that
Hollywood's being bought up. That that'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
It's like a new Haze code situation. But like totally
I'm thinking about remember The Hills Have I I think
we talked about this sport like The Heills Have Eyes remake,
where like a woman gets fully sexually assaulted.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Yeah, but it's a mutant and you they don't cut away,
they don't cut away, and it gets I mean, I'm
sure it's an R but it's like that. But you're
gonna like that cow Girls in NC seventeen, Yeah, like
that is fuck. It was a brutal scene of sexual
assault that was in a horror film and it was
it was literally trauma porn.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Yeah, it was trauma porn. I was traumatized by that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
It's horrifying, it's it's scarring, it's it's It genuinely makes
me like interested slash super concerned about what we downloaded
as kids watching the crazy amount of violence and specifically
sexual violence, and then to put a label on something
that would suggest you should fear something like lesbian love

(01:24:59):
making is obviously it will.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
I think you're right. I think it was too threatening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah yeah, it's like definitely at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
And why do you think they're putting all these you know,
kabashing so many things, and it's gonna keep happening more
and more, just all these like old white dudes like
you know, this is the way why it's like, just
let people do whatever the fuck they want. Are you
that insecure? You have to control everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
So I mean, even to those people, I would say,
you'll be happier to have yourself even if you feel
like all stodgy and like concerned conservative the moment, like
let yourself you'll be happy or just drop your shoulders, babe,
like stop being the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Sue we're too scared because they are that exactly. It's like,
you know the ones who are like, oh homosexuality, just
like Queen, like yeah, girl, let your freak on, like really, girl,
girl girl?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Yeah? Okay, So Bowen, are you ready to absolutely shred?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I'm ready to shred?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Okay, here is bow and yangs. I don't think so, honey.
As time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I don't think so, honey. Luck, I am a boob gay.
I love the things love. This is one woman with
boobs who is doing a little too much and too
little at the same time. Lauren Sanchez, stop wearing the
same fucking dress in the same fucking silhouette every time

(01:26:18):
you step in front of a camera. Mix it the
fuck up for God's sake, you boring motherfucker. I can't
believe you are misusing your boobs, which I don't care
how you got them. You have to use them for good, yeah,
but it's impossible for you to do any of that
with anything that you have access to because it will
never be benevolent. You have been corrupted by the thing

(01:26:42):
that has just made everything follow in this business. We
are feeling it now. I have in front of me
someone who has only used her boobs for good, and
I don't mean to keep talking about them, and I
feel like I'm constantly apologizing to you, which is not
an alpha pussy about how much I artfully appreciate your breasts.
I love that, and I will only ever make them

(01:27:03):
feel beautifully appreciated, even though you've lived a whole life
where people have devalued them and made you feel cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
And that is one minute in fourteen seconds, well spent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Thanks, well done.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I totally agree with that, because as soon as you
started demonstrating like the covering, I felt guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
I was like, oh, I hope I've never made Gina
feel this way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
You've never made me feel like wait once. You're so
nice and even in your head you're like saying, oh no,
I'm sorry, like don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
You're too nice and you're too You're so sweet. But
do you never made you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Have such beautiful breasts?

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I know, thank you. I love my voice. I love
them and I do. It's like I really but you know,
when you're growing up and you're not used to them,
you're just like, what are people really change their their
opinion towards you? Which is so interesting, you know, because
they just were thrust upon me, you know what I mean.
And then I it's well, this is a whole other

(01:27:58):
thing when you see all these people now like getting
these big boobs right and like making boobs and like, okay,
it's a choice. When I was younger, I was like,
oh my god, I want to be twiggy. I want
to be flat, and like I just wanted to be
like and to actually want that it's such a different mindset.
You know. Did you see all this stuff that went
on from last night with the met gala, the people

(01:28:19):
projecting like the workers onto the buildings behind the bottles,
and it was a kind of incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
No, absolutely, I mean I think that the reaction that
everyone is having is really important. Yeah, and I really
feel like I've never seen so it was kind of
fascinating on social media too as it was all coming in,
because it was relentlessly coming in as content the way
it every does every year. But every comment was just

(01:28:47):
this you know, rage, and it's you see it right there,
and I think we need to learn from it for
the future.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
It's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Yeah, you know, listen, I didn't feel sometimes you know,
you think, oh it was invited this year to the
well whatever, last night, I could have cared less.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
In fact, I kind of love the people who didn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
There's god, I have back pain. Huh, thank god, I
have back No no, no, no, no, no no no no,
but no I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Because you're back saying, bitch, you ain't going no matter
what exactly, don't even think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Also, it's like at a certain point, it's like, you know,
there's there's the ways in which you have to play
ball in industry, and then there's just choices you can make.
And as long as you can live with the choices
that you're making and you can justify it, then that's fine.
But people are also entitled to their response and their
critique and their you know, platform as well. Yeah, so, okay, okay, platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Okay, I'm just gonna wing this because I don't know
what else to do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
You are a natural orator. I'm so excited for this.
This is gena.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
I don't know how original this is, but it's like
what came up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
It doesn't have to be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Okay, try, but I really feel strongly about it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
That's all that matters. Okay, this is I don't think
so honey, and her time starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
I don't think so honey. Way, mo, are you fucking
kidding me? I'm sorry. So far, they've killed cats, they've
killed dogs, they don't stop for them. They even hit
a kid because they keep going near school buses and
they don't stop. Yeah, they've hit kids. Now. The thing
that's happening is like they're snatching luggage. Guy gets off
at the airport, closes the door and the car way

(01:30:25):
Moo drives away with all his luggage like I don't
think so, honey, are you fucking kidding me? And not
only that, it's like people are like oh when they're talking, like, oh, well,
you know I like way Moon because you know, I
don't have to like listen to anyone, or I could
hear my own music, you know what. Tell someone you're
a big girl, just say hey, can we have silence
or put on your fucking iPods and listen to your

(01:30:46):
own music. And they're like, well, then I don't get
a stinky person, you know what, Like you might get
a one of some motherfucking stinky person came into the
car before you. And then it smells like does way
Moore have a smellometer or something like that that doesn't exist,
And then they're like, oh, I don't want how to drive.
It's like you know what coming from the valley like
it was a badge of honor. It was it was

(01:31:07):
rits of passage, learn how to fucking drive. It was independent,
it was freedom. And if you can't drive and you're drunk,
that's why they have ubers, that's why you have sober friends.
There you go fuck you waygo why wait wait, And
I didn't even say the best part. Can I just
go on and I'll tell you something else. It all
starts like this, but in my head, all I keep
hearing is like the way Mo murders, because it's always

(01:31:30):
a good idea until some motherfucker's like, you know what,
I'm gonna fuck with the system, and the next thing
you know, the doors are locked, you are taken to
some isolated place and never seen from again.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
It's a good idea for a murder.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Yeah, it's a great idea for it's a good idea,
and tell it is not.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
It was a great idea. Sounds like a great idea
for a mer serial killer to get away with my
grand plans.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
I mean the only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
You look those way mods. I just saw them in LA.
It's like you think, like the Teletubby family are going
to come bouncing out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
It looks for real and it's and it's also an eyesore.
It is ugly, as if La needed to look uglier. Yeah, no,
now you have these crazy looking machines on the road.
It almost killed our friend Jared, did it? Yes, poor Jared,
who should live more than anyone I know this person. Basically,
it was going to make a left turn at an intersection,

(01:32:22):
and it stopped in the middle of the intersection, and
the lights went different, and everyone that was waiting for
him at the gay bar one of something else that's
going extinct. They were standing around waiting and they were
looking out of Jared in the intersection and they were saying, girl,
we thought that it was trying.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
To kill you. And any old person at waymo HQ
customer service can buzz in and say please put on
your seatbelt. Sure, but I'm saying, there is something fucked
about the surveillance of that where you were being watched
when you were in them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Yeah, there's something super creepy about the whole thing. I'm
against it, honey, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Thank you here and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Free Jared still in that intersection right now. We want
you to live. We willant you to live. Jared nominated
for Best Gay Guys Somewhere in Between this year. Free
Jared Jared our friend Jared won awards. He won Best
Gay Guy Normal last year, and so now as a
result of winning Best Gay Guy Normal, he gets nominated
for Best Gay Guy Somewhere in Between. Because he's not

(01:33:21):
best gay guy famous three different tiers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
What you say normal like not a famous person.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Nurse or like your teacher, teacher, gay people can be
when you see on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Why No, I just didn't know what you mean by
normal normal meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Like meaning not famous because famous not the.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Normal because famous people are so normal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, this has been so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
This is so fun. I want to just keep talking
on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
The good news is the podcast may end. This three
threesome goes on forever.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I want to go to Vegas with you, even traumatic
Vegas is my whole potentially.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Oh no, no, Vegas. I haven't been there in so long.
Have you been to the sphere yet?

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
No, I'm dying to go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
What about Wizard of Oz? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Now, so I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
She's doing She's doing Paris, Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Not wait a second, Wait a second. I listened to
the Brandy one. Oh my god, I meant I was
going to text her before. It was so great. And
when you guys are talking about that, I'm like, I'm
going with you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Watch when it's just like us and all the last
one hundred and fifty guests on the podcast, Because it's
going to be a topic every time, And who doesn't
want to go see Selene? Like, let's go, let's really go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
We can go to I guess can I just tell you?
Can I give you guys a compliment? I mean, and
I hope you take this as a compliment. But you
know how sometimes like you have in the podcast or
the thing is like yo, and if you want to
you know, uh, you know advertisement free you have to
buy into the You're never going to have that. Your
ads are so incredible it makes me want to get him. Ways,

(01:35:00):
how good you are?

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Some preparation is just laway your life's like be nice
to your but like, yeah, I want to be nice
to my butt. You like is it burning? Oh yeah,
you make it sound sexy. You're too good at those things.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
I all of a thing. I would definitely give it
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
You could sell you could sell the ship out of anything, non.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Genegy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
We love you so much, my good friends.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
And she's gonna can I show the book look it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
I also brought you each and alf a pussy t shirt.
I designed them myself, so good, only medium. I hope
they fit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Oh my gosh, this is for you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
This is for you. I'm going to sign your book.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Yes, and and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
So glad the book is phenomenal. I loved it so much.
We're in a great memoir space right now with everybody
got good here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
I mean, what do you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
And Miley Cyrus, Yeah, no, Miley's is insane. It's as
so nice.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
A riot, as electric as she is as Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Yeah, she's so nice. And James, he was a nice
one too. People are so nice. I'm glad they're liking it.
And thank you for talking about it on the show.
Because you know, you got to sell the book.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I guess you got to move product.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
You got a move, you gotta product.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
But I want to do this podcast ever since, you know,
before when I was like, I want to do your
guys podcast. When we met, yes at all.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
You know, the first night we met was at s
n L fifty where you were sitting with Lori and
then the then we met again.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Anderson, Yeah, I think you were fifty at the fiftieth.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
I remember concert.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Oh at the concert, but then I remember being backstage
and we.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Were we were talking about the storm. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Talking so much, so I think Bad Bunny was there
and then I missed him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
You know what, that's my god. I'll remember the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Yeah, sorry, sorry. I was just like, I must really
like these guys. Sorry, he said, where did you go?
I was like, I was talking to the boys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
We cock blocked from Bad Bunny.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
It's okay, fine whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
We end every episode with a song. Oh no, no, no, no,
we do need to cabaret.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Oh yeah, I do cabaret.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Maybe this time I'll be lucky. Maybe this time is
stay lady, lay happy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
That's to be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
I'm really proud of our dynamics, my fame. Something's bad
to beginn For the rest of that, you gotta listen
to the cabaret sound track by Last Culture.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Racis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
and iHeart Radio

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang,
executive produced by Ana Hasnier, and produced by Decca Ramos

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