"Gagged Up" (w/ Hilary Duff)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, may oh, I see you.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Look over there is that culture Yes, lost, dang lost.
Culturista's calling we're here lucky us or something or something.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well, the tour is called Lucky.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Me, Lucky everybody. They went like that.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, sorry, I mean well, I I was very slow
to the draw, and I kind of I'm sorry to myself.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You've already upset.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Now I've already upset.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
We have to earn back the trust.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
We've got to earn back the trust.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, how about this. I've been streaming the album NonStop.
I love it. It's like you didn't know how much you missed.
And then, of course Spotify does the thing where it's
like if you look at the if you go on
the top ten stream, it's like we're getting these new bops.
And then suddenly you'll just hear, well, there's a suggestion,
of a lyrical suggestion, let's go back back to the beginning,

(01:02):
at which point you have no choice but to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Uh, we've it's been documented on this program. It has
that the lyric of back to when the Earth, the sun,
the stars.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
All aligned kind of like today.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, that's poetry, that's subways did not align for me.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, anybody know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Can I get an amen?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Did you have a subway problem today? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh you're asking that, you're asking putting it to the room. Yeah,
of course, but it's fine, it's New York.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I don't want I don't really want our guests to
have to like really weigh in on this because it's
like it's it's I think it's a space that is
beneath her. But to have the the remix of Come
Clean on at the club at like, oh, like, I've
never known more joy and you've never.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Seen no I I've dead asked.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I've never been happier in my life, stone cold, sober.
It's four am. I'm sober, trust me. And I've never
felt more joy.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I never felt more joy. Just connecting about famed Los
Angeles eatery Cosa Vega with our guests just now, and
she might get me to do something called Buda, which
I mean the guest is spelled b O n d A.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Nope, she's shaking her hand.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, well let's call that. And more is going to
be revealed on this episode. This is truly, I mean,
every I know, everyone that listens to this podcast has
waited for this day. We certainly have. You've seen her
everywhere lately, because who wouldn't want to celebrate this moment
like back in HD, which I was like, I was

(02:45):
like seeing she did a concert last night and her initials,
I'm like, great, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
No better two letters together. You're happy to see HD.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Actually Mr is on my socks. Mister Maggie Rogers sent
me these socks. Oh that's cute. And because we're the
only people with MR. But we're not talking about MR. Today.
We're talking about HD.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
We're talking about a legend in the culture, a paragon.
We're so happy she's here. Everyone welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm feeling great about myself.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Prepare lock in.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Thank you guys for that. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Okay, it's a German word, I believe, or it's like
a German maybe it was born in Germany. The concept
of the workout bunda b U n d A with
the two little dots on top of the and I
think you need to say it liked there you.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Go, okay, Well it did live inside me. I think
maybe I put too much sauce on Bunda.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, how they.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
The show was awesome. It was a you know, it
was a cute like radio scaled down kind of little
fan experience, and it was great.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I mean, I don't know, I'm gonna come in hot
with this question. Okay, okay, so lucky me, first tour
since dignity. Yeah, you're as a parent, first tow as
a parent. Yeah, what are you preemptively annoyed about logistically
traveling with the family.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm absolutely terrified too. I'm going to tell you a
quick story. I'm trying not to like make it too long.
I was in rehearsals and surprises are tough for me, Like,
of course I love a surprise. We're talking like a present,
so excited Astrologically, I'm a libra.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, yes, I.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Need to have understanding understood of everything, and we understand
and then I can be really excited for the surprise.
But like, I've got to process it first. And so
my my husband and my tour manager stopped rehearsals and
they were like, we have a surprise. You got to
come outside. I come outside. We're walking down the street.
I see a giant tour bus and I was like,

(04:55):
is this the surprise? And they're like, yes, like, let's
go check it out because this is going to be
where we're living for eights during the summer. And I
was like I walked inside, I was like, there's no kitchen.
I know, there's just like slots for beds. Four of
us are going to be four kids, sorry, lots of
other adults. But like what it was? Panic all panic said.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
In So then I relate to this completely as a
libra rising. Okay, how do you express that without being
like thank you? This is so exciting? But also, where
the hell is the kitchen?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Okay? I had like a huge, like fake smile pastward
on my face and I was just like, I love
the slot. I'm looking for the storage. Like kids come
much so much shit.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
And also there's like no pooping on the bus. I'm like,
little kids just whenever they have to.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I know, you got a poop on the bus, Well
you can't.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It's a rule. It's a rain rule. So I'm like,
how many times are we going to be stopping throughout
the night. It's all terrifying.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
What are the age ranges?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Two to thirteen, yeah, come on, Wikipeda, almost.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Fourteen yeah, I have a fourteen year old son this month,
and a five year old this month, and then a
seven and a two. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna
figure it out. That thing's going to be everywhere, literally,
crumbs everywhere, guns n' roses everywhere. Yeah, exactly, that's right,
trashing tour bus. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I loved the video that you did with your son.
That was so good.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
He's so cute. I mean when he was punking my jersey,
I thought he was gonna be like, that's cool, and
he was like, that's not it, that is not it.
I was like, rude, rude, so rude.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
When the cameras in their face, they want to embarrass
the parents. I think that's what it is. I think
that's the kid same.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
All I want to do is embarrass him, to watch
him get shy.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And well you kind of got there. You were like
you like my music. You were.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Because it's mommy and daddy's music.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Not his dad. But yeah, he likes matth too. Yeah,
he's really into a hip hop you know.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, Oh, I was thinking back to when we were
like because obviously like walk down Memory Lane, it was
like you and then all this like hardcore like rap
and R and B were the charts. It was like
that was like, what was coexisting on that at the time?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, who was like jaw Rule?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
This was like no, no, this.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Job Rule Radio is amazing on Spotify.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I gotta just ride that out.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's a real happy, like yeah, flopping through this day
kind of vibe, of course.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
And jaw Rule was on Matt TV as a guest once. Okay,
she was legitimately great. He was, yes anyway, but it was.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, this is the time.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I'm like, was he in front of me on the
charts or blow me on?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
It was always about jaw Rule and Hilary Das you
know what I mean. It was like jockeying for position.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I remember, I don't remember what album it was, maybe
not Dignity, I don't know. Mary J. Blige was like
ahead of me, and then the next week I got
ahead of her, and I remember it being like, yes,
you also like love Mary J.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
It's like it's a thing of like you have so
much respect. You're like, god, I'm so happy to do
all in the charts. But Mary J.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's real love. That's like, that's that's Mary J. Blige.
But I feel like I feel like now, the the
concept of charts to me, you're on top of it,
you're in like a you keep track of it. I
don't really care, but of course I'm not on the
other side of it where I'm like you have people
from the label or whoever, like.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, what is the thing with charts now? Is that
is it like of paramount importance to labels and is
it important to you? Like how do you feel about
the charting of it all?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I think I if I said I didn't care, it
would be a lie. Yeah, but I have never that's
never been even like like radio singles. I never had
like a ton of love there. So mine was always
like fan connection and like touring, so the fans showed

(09:07):
up for me. I toured a whole bunch and like that.
That business like got very massive for me quickly. I
I do care. You want your work to be like observed,
But I don't think it's it's that important. And I
think a lot of things come into play, you know,
like every like every industry now it's a thing. But
the labels are excited when you know it's doing well.

(09:30):
It's it's hard. It's a hard industry. So yeah, any
kind of like accolade or exciting number that you land
on is great for morale.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, of course, Well okay. The thing that we can
liken it too is like this this little show breaks
into like the top eighty every now in fifty fifty,
you can get up there. But I so maybe, so
maybe just to like to make this about me for
a second, I think it's I'm with you. It's like

(10:02):
it's nice. I would be lying if I was saying
it didn't matter. But the like the connection among the
listenership and the fans in the community is is I
would take that over.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I agree with that. No, I agree with that because
that stuff comes and goes and you see it for
a week, you know, and it's just it can be
a great splash. But other than that, like the meat
is like the connection and the people that are showing up,
and that's the reason why you do it, right, You're
doing it because you love it.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
And yeah, have you remained connected to people that you
like recognize from like way back that have that were
fans And then like now you're like, I wonder if
you do any shows now and you're like, oh my god, wait,
hold on a second.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, like I definitely do this.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
There's those people.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like, you're still here. I can't believe
we're still here. It's profound, it is full, it is
and the amount of people that are showing up to
the shows with like literal old polaroids from my Meet
and greet used to be, you get a polaroid picture
and you say hi and you leave, so they have
the polaroid picture. Yeah, and it's really sweet.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's the best. And also for them, I mean for everyone.
I feel like on this album you're dealing with like
like you turn around and you're like, oh my god, yeah,
we are talking about our boyfriend who's now dating someone
that looks like twenty one twenty two years old. It's
like we actually did grow up and now have these
things in common too, huh. I just love songs that
just let your X know you have their number.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, I have the receipts.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, Like I actually know that you're out there like
doing the doing the cliche stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah yeah, and why are you doing Okay, clearly the
outside we're you're not doing You're not doing great.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah. Do you ever hear it's like topical?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
You're like, this is topical.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, my kink is Karma by Chapel Row.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I'm obsessed, obsessed, obsess. My kids love it, and I
am like, can we share this? Yes? I don't you
know that they don't really like read too much into lyrics,
but they say all the words.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Like that happened, And so then as a parent, you're
like listening to this, You're listening to your kids talk
about like these really deep concepts. These are concepts like
but it's nice to like that they're just detached from
it though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
May May's favorite song on my record, the one that
she always requests is Holiday Party. Oh I love It
starts out with like in my head you live another
life where you fuck all my friends. Like it's very
just like a very heady can I say that, of course,
a very heady song about like anxiety and you making
up what you know must be true even though it's not. Anyway,

(12:40):
she just blows to the lyric and I'm like, you know,
we're in the arts, so there's a time and a place.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Also, we have a teenager in the house. We have
a big spread of kids. I always joke that like
none of the moms at school will want their kid
to be friends with the baby because she's the fourth child.
She's going to know all the things the fastest, the earliest.
You know, she's gonna be the ones spreader than yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Charge. But someone has the charge. They do, they do.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
But I feel like if it was my first child
and I, like Luca had like all the kid glove handling,
that I would be like, stay away from that child
has all the siblings and knows all the things, you
know what I mean. So, but yeah, we handle lyrics
like that because we try to have a lot of
conversations in our house and just skirt around, you know,

(13:36):
some of the ones that they're not ready for yet.
But art is art, and you know, we're constantly listening
to music and writing and doing this thing, so they've
got to be exposed to it, of course.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think some of the serious ones on the record,
which was like giving head in the back of the
bar or whatever, people came for me so hard and
they were like, do you do that in front of
your children?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I was like this, no, yeah, yeah, bring them in.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That's a parasocial thing, though, I think I really do,
and I feel like you must experience that to such
a degree, because like when someone feels like they know you,
they get a little bit more like their guard goes
up about themselves about something like that, because we don't
contextualize like for any of these pop girls in terms
of lyrics like that. But I feel like when someone

(14:26):
because they don't have kids, maybe I projection happens when
you've grown up with the person, you know what I mean, Yes,
you must feel.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That way for sure. Yeah, there's parts of my I
mean I've said this before, but there's parts of my
identity to people that haven't grown because of the character
hasn't grown.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Parts of your identity that haven't grown.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, like in people's minds, yeah, yes, that they're like, oh,
she's that from Cinderella story or Lizzy or whatever, you know,
and that character never grows up. So like I can't right,
you know.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
That is It's an interesting thing. Like I remember, like
a few years ago, like when the Lizzie macguiree but
was happening. I was so on your side when you
were like, we have to have this person be an
adult woman.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, what do we think?

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I know?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Well, yeah, I mean just it was the only thing
that made sense to me, was like I gotta be
doing thirty year old things.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Not fourteen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Also, there's been an app this this press store. There's
been an absence of love for younger and I just
want to say shame on everyone, because that was a
great American television series.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Did you happen to see the clip of on my Instagram?
You weren't watching My Stories this morning? You kidding?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I was streaming the album this morning.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
As I have to say that I appreciate it that
we'll take all the streams we can get bad. She
cares my one of my best years friends in life
I made on that show. It's Molly Bernard. She's the redhead. Yes, Lauren,
she was at my show last night, absolutely going off
and some fan caught it on camera and it's so cute.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
The best.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Runs a pop star, I know because because she hadn't
been able to see that.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
No, that's no, she's only seen me and my mother
bearing my child bearing years and very different than that
part of my past.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
It was. It's so back though, Like I mean, when
you came in, the first thing we got to you
was how great you were on the tonight show and
you said you had fun doing it.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I did I'm having a lot of fun. I mean,
the amount of work is crazy. Yeah, and there are
days where you're.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Like, of course, now you're going to go do hot
ones I know, which I'm so excited about, but I'm terrified.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
And then the kicker of it all is I'm getting
on a plane after.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh so this is you can poop on the plane,
not like a bus, but.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
There there comes a point where everyone gets to it,
like a certain point where you're like, Okay, all my life,
I've not pooped on the plane. Today's the day.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Today's the day. And then you meet.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yourself in that moment and then you move forward.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I'm I'm I will keep you posted on what.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
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Speaker 3 (18:12):
And then I hate waiting in the worst.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
She goes in and there's like the seed is like
dappled and stuff, and then she goes yeah, and then
she was like in her mind, she was like, that
wasn't her, It was the person before and she, like
everybody else before him, squad discovered and squatted, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
And like, I have this weird thing that people follow
me to the bathroom my entire life.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, I would imagine, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, so I would, even if it wasn't mine, clean
it because I don't want people thinking it was me.
I do the same thing tons of toilet paper. It's
spotless and then sometimes fatless. When yes, correct, I feel
the same way. I will even wipe down the countertop
sometimes big thing. And then the other thing is what

(19:04):
if it was an unruly flusher that sprayed the suf,
Oh forget it.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's the hard times.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
If I can't see the color, I'm like, well it
was the flusher.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, tonight's show was phenomenal. You were saying earlier, like
unlike other things. Because we relate to this, it's like, oh,
that was actually fun, and you're saying you're having fun.
You able to identify like the different thing this time,
like this go around, like what is making it fun? Okay?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
One, I have a dream team sent from God. I'm
like loving everyone that's around me right now and that
feels really good. Not that it's been like bad before,
but just this is like I'm having fun. We hang
like we try to, you know, pepper in fun, normal
things that aren't just constantly like work and fluff. I'm

(19:53):
so tired of glam and I love my glam getting
makeup and hair done. Right now, I'm just like I know, yeah,
you dissociate, and complaining about that sounds so nade because
I know friends that would be like I would love
to have my glammed on every day. But there's something
about being stuck in the chair and unable to do
anything during that time that you're just like, feel really crappy,

(20:15):
especially as a parent. If I'm sitting in my house
and I want to be around so my kids feel
like I'm around that day and I'm getting glammed, I
feel like it's so tragic. I feel like they must.
I'm desperate for them to not look back and be like,
mommy got glammed all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
My memories of my mother where she was upstairs.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And yes, yeah, that bounce me a little bit. Never wait,
can we bounce to can we bounce back to fallin
for a second? Yes, this crazy like leg moment, But
let's zoom in on a picture from the leg at
some point, you guys, I have a sock mark, But

(20:55):
that doesn't sum up me trying to exist as a
pop star in Hollywood? Is my sock mark?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That first of all, the sock mark, no one was
ever gonna notice it because you know what was on point?
Your haiography cheer agraphy on ten at the Tonight Show.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Okay, that happened fast, the wind the right.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Light and it happened. It really like the hair landed.
And then of course we got the classic iconic we're
on all fours and we give perfect That was really
well done than you can.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I ask you, walking around in a house that's falling
apart while it's raining, is that a callback?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
It was this slight It was a slight callback. We
we grabbed a moment, well a little nod.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
To the past that Hoss was fucked up and falling apart.
I was like, girl, get out of there.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
The director built had his crew, by the way, we
filmed that right before Christmas, so there was like not
that many people around who wanted to work, and he
got this like skeleton crew together and they built that
house just like a four wall house. So we're in
like Pomona amongst like mustard greens, and the house actually
like fell apart. It was really cool, like on purpose.

(22:07):
It was like gagged, like rigged like that. I was like, whoa,
this still happens. People spend this money sometimes.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I love that it was gagged like that. That is
a new expression. You just created like the house was
gagged up.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Gagged up.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Maybe title of app gagged up? Wait market? Yes, I
wanted to ask one of my favorite parts of the
whole album is your blank sample?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
It was an inspired choice. I want to know how
this came.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, okay, Well blink is when I like close my
eyes and I think about getting my driver's license and
like my first taste of freedom, blink was on the radio.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
You're feeling this, yeah feeling.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So it's a real nostalgic wink. And and then I
actually Matt had the idea to sample that song, and
I was like, one, yes, So how do we do that?
How do we do we just pay them? Do they
have to approve it? Can they say no? After I've
like fallen in love with this song and We've written

(23:09):
this beautiful like love song to my best friend and
he's like, will we just give them all the publishing?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like okay, they can just have it.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
They just have it, And it was like worth it
enough to me to have on the record because I'm
I live for that song. Yeah, it does something.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
They're all so sweet. Have you have you ever like
connected with Mark Hoppins.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
They're so nice I run into Mark at Sushi the Valley.
Of course, often I feel like I'm driving off the
road constantly on Ventura because I like to redesign what
I would put, how I would design this strip of
the valley. I'm like, we could use this there. That
should be a private club, that should be like that

(23:49):
motel that's off of Cold Water and like Ventura, I'm like,
can't we make this like a cool dinner club and
have Like I just like to redesign everything.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
You really should be mayor Yeah, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like, how has this survived here for so long? This
went out of here?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I have these questions and then the good stuff leaves us,
like oil Can Harry's.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oil Can Harry's was such a vibe.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It was the definition.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Of don't try to bring your drink on the dance floor.
The people that go there every night are like, no, no,
get your drink off the dance floor.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Okay, So you were up in oil Can Harry's.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yes, Yes, I was.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
What what were your what were your years of of
this ten years ago? Like ten years ago? Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
That was the peak.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
That was like I feel like I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Walk into oil Can Harries and then it's like massive,
what I know this is hiding in here.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I've had some of my best like shouldn't have made
out with that person? Makeouts there? Yeah, and now I
never will again.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah. See you need these spaces. You should open this
up in on that strip.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
New oil can hair like Hillary.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Presents oil can Harry's two point Oh, like that's it,
that's I could see it all gagged.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Up then gagn that's my llcu.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Wait, I have a question about tonight show. Just to
go back to this, Okay, okay, this is my question. Okay,
because you're changing the lyrics because it's television from you know,
giving head kissing your neck?

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yes, did you giggle at that?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I think giggle.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I was like, oh, that's a great tasteful like alt,
but I am always terrified as the songwriter, singer person
while there's a camera in my face, I'm going to
sing the like the the the uncensored lyric.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Can I tell you what helped me?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So I did this every time. I great and it
helped me. That's not something I like, typically domonic queen
when I'm performing that song because I'm not singing that lyrics.
So I like did like you indicated, Yes, I indicated.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
And then with myself a mental note said, do you
still say touching myself?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I did because I was like the amount of jerk
off jokes that like comedians have probably had any show,
like come on, you're gonna let me do it?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
See when you when you fight for it, they just
they just want to see you fight. And then and
then once.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm spy, Yeah, but you're You're not like I would
be terrified.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
We're so funny. Of course, when you were trying to
figure out what the alt was for giving you head,
we were like kissing your friend of the other ones. Yeah,
it was like that changes the whole of the concept of.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It is funny when you kids bopify everything and it
becomes like.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Kids bopify, that's really what it is.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
The kids popify the album I have I've had to do.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, but kids popyfy is like a level below that
are beyond that where it's like it's about sleepovers and
snacks and you.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Know, sleepovers anymore bow and it's a sleep under No
unless their kids sleep over at anyone's house anymore?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Really?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I was going to say, look, I don't know because
I will say, what has changed and let me know
if you think this is true. Well, everything, well everything, yes,
but Halloween.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Oh like your kid, you can't just dive into your candy.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
No. I feel like what it is is it's like
but I will say, our friend Jared lives in Studio City,
so it is actually really cute over there because it's
like the mecca for Halloween and like trick or treating.
But it just felt like for a few years there.
I don't know if it's because people were a little
bit looking at each other's sideways a little bit because
of our you know, you know, political and social reality,
but it felt like trick or treating took a dive,

(27:35):
like kids were not like hid in the neighborhood like
they used to do. I used to run with my
little sack, like going by myself.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, it's a different time, but our parents have always
said it's a different time now, and now we're saying
it and it's just like I think something happens, but
it is like it's I would never send my kids out. Well,
Luca goes out with his friends now, and I don't
know how much like trick or treating they're doing. They're
just hanging out.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, they're just hitting the town.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, but like we can track him on his phone,
so right, you know. But like the girls, like we're
trick or treating with them, and you know, we do
that really lame thing where basically we like take their
candy away the next day and do it with that.
They call it eat it. No, they call it a
switch witch.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Or switch with a switch.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
With where you the kids get to have their fun
with the candy. Yeah, the night and they get to
like go ham and we let them. We're not a
household that's like restrictive. So but but if they put
their Halloween candy bucket like outside, the like witch comes
and like leaves them you sure stuffy or a toy

(28:41):
or whatever and takes like the candy.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
There's a value trade.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, And I we have a lot of treats throughout
the week, and I realize that treats are just like
you know, it's fun, but I'd rather it be an
experience that we're going out to like get a treat
and like do it with people that we have with. Yeah,
then just like dipping into a bag of candy for
the next month, because.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
That that's like stoner culture. We're not gonna We're not
We're not doing all that.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
In the family, we're doing all that, doing all that.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I think it's time to ask the question.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
We have to ask the question. The question, the question.
This is the central question of lost culture. This is
the big one. Hillary Duff, what was the culture that
made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I have given this question so much thought. I knew
it and I was like, what angle do I approach
because there are so many? There are so many, and we're.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Willing to hear all angles.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yes, Oh, I have one prepared. I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
The Spice Girls, thank God for you.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
You've done it.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
As someone else said the Spice Girls.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
In the history of the show, I feel like probably,
but not today.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
So of course I wanted to be Baby Spice. But
the Spice Girls. For me, it was my first concert
and the first time I saw women and all their different.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Vibes and like celebrating each other.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, but like their expressions like sporty, push this that.
I was like, oh my god, And you can be
all of them. It just depends on the day how
you wake up feeling. You could feel like one of
the Spice Girls. And I was like limited to And
then we started coming out to California and like would
hit Melrose and then I could basically like imitate all

(30:33):
of their wardrobe. And there was a store in Santa
Monica called Wild Pear, and I could. My mom wouldn't
let me buy any of the really like high slutty
shoes because I was, of course nine, you were, yet
I would try. It was like almost like Payless, how
they have like boxes of shoes out, but they were

(30:54):
high heels platforms and I could like strap them on
and like go for a walk and right be like
I'm a fucking spy scirll right now, because.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
That was such a huge part of the Spice Girls
thing was the platform yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
The platform sneaker, so like I could get that on
Melrose and my mom let me have them and it
was so fun. I was like hair makeup, All the
inspiration you needed was like within the Spice Girls. Yeah,
and then Spice World happened.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And then Spice World happened. And this is this is
well documented as well, but like if baby is number one,
who who is the more the most frequent sort of
person that you were would identify with in other moments
because you're you're you're waking up one day like most
of the time your baby. Yeah, do you feel like
you have I feel like you're Also maybe.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
The lollipops are thosebs and they were spice girls. Yes,
I would dig and dig and dig for the baby
spice ones. Okay, I think the other one would be
posh for me was a later like a slow agree
now everything right, yes, But back then the two parts

(32:05):
of my personality was baby and sporty.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, posh was advanced humor. Yeah, go with me here. Okay,
So like when Spice World happened, I had never really
been checking for posh because for me, it's like I'm
never gonna like gravitate towards an energy that's like removed
and aloof Yeah, especially at that time, I was like,
I'm excited. I want to be a part of things,
and look at the rest of these girls are really
going for it. But then but then watching the movie, okay,

(32:34):
I think my one of my answers to this question
is the scene where they're like doing like an obstacle
course in the movie and it just cuts to it's
just like showing them go over the obsticle course and
then you just see Posh in heels walking along the side.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I'm not playing this game.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And then all Pasha's line deliveries in the movie, like
when they fall in the water and she's like this
stress is dry clean only melody. I was just like,
there's something about her prioritizing her glamour and being so
like mean to the rest of them, but that's still
being their sister that I am like deeply envious of

(33:11):
the energy of that, Like this, you can't get me
to care. I am unbothered. Before we knew that word.
That was postpice.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I'm adding some of that to my personality right now.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, no, download it.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
But I think you also taught people to be unbothered
with so yesterday, Oh my god, thank you. I think
that's that is the original unbothered anthem.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Really you haven't heard this before?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
No, okay, you guys. Once I talked to this psychic
on the phone and she doesn't know who you are,
yes when you call, And eventually she figured it out
and she was like, are you Hillary Duff?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
How did she figure it out out? Despite her ps
psychic ability? Shouldn't you have known some of these people.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
How did she say?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
How did Andrew go for it?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Okay, okay, she figured it out, because, oh my god,
this is so I need to like call Angel and
make sure she's cool with me sharing this. I'm friends
with Aaron Carter's sister Angels. We go our kids go
to the same school. She's a lovely, literal angel of
a person. We're very close. We talk about Aaron often.

(34:26):
So I call this psychic and I like to dabble.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, I as well.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Two times a year. I get a little wild hair.
We're like a little bit like the I tabble forscope okay,
palm reader, cards, whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I like to do, any of the its.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Give me anything that can validate, like the path I'm on,
choices I'm making.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Give your framework, yeah, give me a little, give me.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
A little support. I'm not living by it like firmly.
I'm just like, let's have fun with us.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Okay, cool, Yeah, we're with you.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
So I call her. She's so hard to get a
hold of this woman. Okay, I track her down for
three weeks. She doesn't let you pay. She's like, this
is not my job. This has been a curse for
me my whole life. Because she has the gift her family.
Other people in her family have the gift. I guess
when she was in school, she'd look at the teacher
and be like, you and your husband are going to

(35:21):
get a divorce.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
And then she's like and she's in trouble right, but
she's like, I saw this happening whatever, like I can't imagine.
And then I think people with that kind of gift
maybe have to get it off.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I expel it.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
So she I get on the phone with her and
she's like, oh, She's like, you have like such bright energy.
I'm so excited to talk to you today. And I
was like, oh, thank you, that's so nice. How do
we start? I don't know. Should I just start asking
you questions whatever. She's like, well, people are going to
start showing up for you. And there's someone here, Aaron

(36:00):
A two A's Aarin And I was like, oh no,
I my heart. I was like, oh my god. And
she's like I was like, is it Aaron Carter? And
she's like sure, is what the hell's he doing here?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
And I was like, well, that's my childhood boyfriend. And
you know, I kind of that would make sense to me. Yeah,
and she's like, are you Hillary Duff? Like cut to
our lighter topics, and she was like, so yesterday helped
me through my breakup and I will never not love you.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's like, oh my god, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Thank you so much. Anyway, Yeah, a really wild experience.
But no, I didn't know the lure behind so yesterday
being what'd you call it.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
The unbothered anthem? Yeah, it makes sense, yes, absolutely, at
least not today, not today.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I feel like, here's the thing, the thing about you,
like in the way that like the place that you
held in culture, and I hope that you take this
as a compliment. It's like there were so many times
where because everyone looked up to you so much, you
were like, hey, this is important to care about. Like

(37:19):
I was thinking on the way up here. It was
two thousand and eight, when you're a commercial for Knock
It Off. Don't Say, Don't Say Gay came out and
I remember so we graduated high school in two thousand
and eight, and I came back from school from n
YU one time and there was like one of my
one of my friends older brothers, was always dogging me.

(37:41):
I was in the closet and he was always like
the one that was making comments and stuff. And I
remember that commercial had come out, and like there was
like a shift in the conversation that guy.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I know that I hope he gets a real issue disease.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
So he's extremely I haven't check. I think I hope
he's atching wherever he is. He certainly is now. But
there was there was a moment where my and my
one friend had never stuck up for me when these
things happen.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Usually it was like that thing brother that was your
friend never stuck up for you.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
To his friend, it was my girlfriend. It was like
my like like one of my girlfriends. I didn't have
a girlfriend, but like female friend. And it was her
older brother that was saying this stuff all the time.
And I remember she was like I was in the
other room and she, for the first time ever, was
like what do you care if he's gay? Like what
do you get? What does it matter? Like and no one,

(38:31):
no one was ever saying anything like that. So there
was like a turning point. Not to say that you
were single handedly because the reason why, but like I
think that, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Back then, it was like the word was even no one.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Was saying, yeah, this is not cool to say Everyone
was saying it's cool to say it. Like I remember
when we were in middle school in high school, like
Eminem was like the essentially the biggest pop star in
the world, like saying these types of things on the radio,
like it was popular to be homophone and then that.
I also remember a time when I was watching Lizzie

(39:03):
McGuire in my kitchen and it was the episode where
because it was just.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
On TV, it was remember that time, Yeah, like we're
tuning in because it's gonna be on TV right now, yep.
And if you miss it, you miss it.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
If you miss it, you miss it. And you had
to you had to tune in. But I remember it
was the episode where Miranda was dealing with stuff with
eating yes, and my dad was watching over my shoulder
and he was just like, what is this show? He's like,
I love this show. He's like he was a pe teacher.
He's like, I want to show this to my health class.
Like there was like a lot of messages and what
you did of Phillip, because we all respected you. You

(39:36):
were our age, but we respected you. And when you
said things that like held meaning, we listened.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. Honestly, I
hear it a lot, and sometimes you know, when you
hear compliments over and over again, you're like, oh, yeah,
thank you, but like I receive what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Well, this is different than like your hair was incredible
on the tonight show. This is that that holds value,
but this is like, it's your meaningful to our generation.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I think when you like it's nice to always like
have the compliment or somebody like this meant so much
to me. But when you get to have some framework
and like see the the picture of you and your
friend and this guy giving you the older brother giving
me a hard time, You're like, oh, I see how
that impacted you in a nice way and made you
not feel bad or whatever, so that it's stayed with you.

(40:23):
I'm starting to try to instead of try to deflect
from compliments, say thank you, I've received that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I have that struggle too. It's it's a lebri thing
because we have to balance it out with something. I'm trying.
I'm over identifying with you as a libra.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Rising, but it's well, isn't that how.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Well? Channey Nicholas Stroller uh does your reading based on
your rising and not your son. So so so my
reading every day is Libra rising. But it's I think
it's that it's like, oh, I have to You're giving
me something positive. I have to counterwegh that.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I love.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
My favorite part of the I say though, besides the
message of it is that you still end it with
I love those jeans that like cute jeans though, like
it's still complimentary. You're still showing you up to this girl. Yeah,
like like that'skirt as the top but you but these
jeans are good.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
That was like the young version of me. I don't
think I need to like round out with a compliment anymore.
Someone's being good. We're done here, we're.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Doing Can I share my quickly, I'll just share my
first exposure to Lizzie Maguire, which was has to do
with sleepovers. Incidentally, okay, it was fifth grade, heavily still
in the closet with all these boys, I'm feeling something.
I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on? But this
was it would be on TV. But it was also
my first experience with on demand where like it's like

(41:40):
one in the morning, we're all in this Danny Wetmore's basement,
and all these boys are like, we have to watch
the hottest girl. We're watching Lizzie McGuire. She's the hottest, prettiest,
this girl, Hillary Duff, She's so hot. So all these
nine year olds being like and so then we're putting,

(42:02):
we're putting, And then and then on this on their
giant home theater screen, they put on Lizzie maguire to
a video onto me and this guy's a whatever time
it is Lizzie McGuire and I'm.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Wild wild yet the pay per view and they have
no older brothers and.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Then probably earnestly watching you to we're earnestly watching and
like laughing, being like, oh my god, she's so good.
But it was my It was like it was like
a first closet moment for me where I was like
but it was safe.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Like I don't feel like she's hot like the rest
of them.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
No, no, no, I was like, she's beautiful, but I
thought I'm appreciating her in a different way than these
boys are.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I'm not like like all the boys crushes on you,
on you, so we all had sound.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Effect for the straight mail.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
But like I was but then I went, I'm not.
I'm not thinking the same thing these boys are. When
I look at this pretty girl, I'm thinking, oh, I
want to be.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Freshed, we want we need to go shopping together.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
We're doing but I just know in twenty years we're
all going to do Bunda. I just know we're heading
to Bunda. Oh.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Anyway, So that's that's my that's my one.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
You know, I really like that one.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Wait for for curiosity's sake? What are your other avenues
like in terms of the in terms of the culture
that made you said culture was for you because you
said you had so many.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
You talked about Olsen twins On.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Oh yeahs were a big brother for sale for only
fifty cents only.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
But just that that entire series, I'm like, they were
so adorable, so adorable.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
They're for sale with their big eyes like you were,
just like I want to be you.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
They had it. But that was that was your invited.
Well I got my first pair of pants from the row.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
When did this happen?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
This happened about four months ago.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
My stylust was like, and these are from the Row
And I was like, well, like I've made it. There
isn't there is a moment when you get something from
the row when you're like should.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I, Well you you're gonna have it for life.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
They are life cases because.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Pieces they're sturdy. You know what they're sturdy?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Oh yeah, sturdy. Yeah. They said dirty. I was like, yeah,
A good way.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Excuse me your mouth.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
What were my other options? Oh yeah, Grease. Grease was
a big one for me.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Do you ever play Sandy what I?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Or did I? Did you or I haven't ever played Sandy?
That would be a fun thing to do. Her and
the span X, Yeah, take me away. I was like,
oh my god, this I want to put high heels
on it, like strut around and it's about the it's
not the shoes. And then Michelle Peiffer did Grease Too,
which was arguably.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
People have very good.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah I'm not going to say better.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
We're not gonna argue, but people have sat in this
chair and been like, Grease Too is better, and they'll
stand ten.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I think I prefer watching it more. I'm not sure
I can say better, but I enjoy watching it more.
Her Michelle fIF are so hot. I can't deal.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
There's also like a theme here in like basically like
I think like women like embodying something bigger than not,
something larger than life.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Something in your face, yeah, something some yeah, turning point
in the woman's existence right coming into her own You
mean for me? The theme for me?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I mean I'm looking at I'm seeing threads.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yes, yeah, okay. And the other one, which also falls
under that category is Pretty Woman. Ah, and I watched
it way too young. This was like a real crazy
thing in the nineties that I think, Well, when we
got like snowed in, we couldn't which is weird because
I live in Texas, but we couldn't leave the house
because every once in a while it like freezes over

(45:49):
in Texas, right, And we had this house, like this
country house, and there was really nothing to do there,
and Pretty Woman was on TV and my mom was.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Like, well, well this is there's the day.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
We're watching it. And I was like, I'm obsessed, like
it was everything to me. And then the other avenue
was TGI Friday.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Oh ohf was massive culture, massive, massive. I can't believe
they named that. They named her after to Pega hair.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Her hair, Oh, her hair was everything. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
It was like Hillary Duff on The Tonight Show.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
The amount of the like pounds of hair I had
on the tonight show. Oh my, I can't have gotten
really used to just like pounds of hair laying around
the house.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's to me their memory of mommy.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Right, just extensions everywhere, not the glamor just just the extension.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Well we can only describe as to panger coated of course.
Wait uh oh god, it escaped to me. Never mind,
wait oh hold on, hold on, but see you watching
Pretty Women? Yeah, and like, look how everything turned out.
It's like, may make and listen to a song about whatever,
you know what I mean, about anxiety or about like
a mature you know song title, mature themes. It's not

(47:02):
going to pollute their mind, Necessarah. No.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I mean, there's always ways to have good conversations with
your kids, and I think it's totally okay to be like, hey,
I would love to explain that to you someday, but
that day's not today.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, I don't have.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
To answer every question you ask me about five questions?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Are are they questioning kids?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
May May is May stops talking May May.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
She's a conversationalist by trade.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Banks is not like as much of a talker until
we're having like night time, nighttime routine and like wine
down and she wants to do like rose and thorn,
and oh yeah she's and then I'll get a lot
out of her. Then may may just never stops talking.
We love her for that.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You have different styles, but like, okay, I'm just like,
just as.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
An example, let's go back. But maybe this morning I'm
facetiming her and she's like, I gotta tell you something?
Can I tell you something? I really am like, just
go out with that. Why do we have to ask
the question before the question happens? And she's like, I'm
eating a madeline. I'm eating a madeline. You gotta tell daddy.
And she's just talking into the camera and there's like
just crumbs coming out of her mouth. It's like a
dry madeline. Why do I need to know that? But like, also,

(48:17):
I'm obsessed with you. Keep telling me more. She's so funny,
so funny. Okay, I got you off.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Well no, no, no no, because this is all this is
all pertinent because and I'm sure you've been asked that
a million times, a million different ways. But I'm genuinely
curious that, like about if you've grown up in like
as a child, like being treated and handled by a
bunch of different people, Like does that give you this
extra dimension to like how you are as a parent,
how you talk to children now, Like are you extra sensitive?

(48:46):
You like cause you're because it seems like you're very
keyed into like how someone that age might take in
new information, Like we'll talk about this later, Like is
this something that you're like internalizing that you've internalized from
being like a child star.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Oh, I don't know. I haven't really thought about it
like that. I think I have four kids. Yeah, so
I've had a lot of practice, and I like say
sorry to Luca all the time because I'm like, we
just fucked up. I don't know, yea, Like no, it
just I think way too much like involvement, care care,

(49:27):
you know, doing too much for you just can't help it.
It's like this new addition to your life where you're like,
I do everything for you now, like I have this
thing to take care of. And then you have like
more subsequent kids and you can't do everything for them
and you can't always protect them and you can't be
there for their everything, and then you just you know,
you learn the dialogue that works for your family. Like

(49:47):
some kid that main banks sometimes says curse words and
we let her because it's so funny to old. She's seven,
and she she only does it like she doesn't just
want like willy nilly do it. If we're like, hey,
say this thing, we'll do it. And it's hilarious and
we love it. And she knows that can't happen outside

(50:10):
of the household. That it she knows boundaries. If you
have a kid that doesn't know boundaries, you obviously can't
play that game, you know what I mean. And different
conversation you your dialogue changes per child, and when you
start to know your child and banks cannot stop with sugar,
Luca will eat half a cupcake at a birthday party
and be like I'm done. So it's just like all

(50:30):
your kids are different.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Also, I think that like as you're talking about, like
you know, your mom sees pretty woman on television, sees
her daughter and is like, it don't matter, We're watching
it because this is my favorite thing.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
One of my favorite memories from when I was growing
up is I know my dad wanted to see the
nutty Professor to the Clumps so bad, so he said,
get in the car, We're going to the movies and
I was like, oh, okay, it was not up to me.
We were just going.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
One of my favorite memories of me and my dad
still to this day. And it was something that like
seeped through with his personality to me, Like wasn't a
way he was intentionally, it was just him being himself. Yeah,
And so I feel.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Like he's like, we're gonna do what I want to
do because I want to do it today. And it's
probably normally all about you guys. Get in, we're going, Yeah, get.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
In, we're going. And I remember, like I remember there
was something too about like watching that movie with him
and it was not quote unquote appropriate, but the allowance
that he was giving for us to enjoy that together, yeah,
made us feel closer. And so, your kids, how are you?
I was, I guess I had to be like really,

(51:38):
I forget exactly when that movie came out, but it
was certainly spiritually around that area, like certainly onger than thirteen.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
When your kids get to an age where they can
start handling more of adult life things, it's so fun.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
One, it's really important to keep like the conversations going,
you know, in the household, like constantly like checking in
and normalizing topics that yeah, you know they're ready for. Yeah,
but when you can start enjoying content of the world
that's like more adult and have their takes on it,
and it's so moving. Honestly, I love it. And Luca

(52:16):
and I watched a bunch of movies this year. What
did we just watch? We watched Hamnet and oh wow,
I know, and it was he was really into it.
He likes a period piece. Wow, I can't get Matt
to watch a period piece. So that was really fun.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, sophisticated.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
And the other thing that I did that was, like
your dad is I've started to make him watch a
holiday with holiday movie with me every year and this
year we did the Holiday and he really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
That's so sweet.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
I know, I know it's fun.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Especially you got to get those things in there too.
Before Like I just remember like being a fourteen year
old boy, like and that's when and I don't know
how different it is now, but like other their boys
start to become like it's it's that's when the toxic
masculinity looms and it doesn't have to be something that
people indulge in. And again, generation generationally we are different,

(53:11):
but I do remember that time, and I have like
a lot of like like compassion for the kid that
I was, but also all the other kids, the boys
around me, because it's like the world is yelling at
you to be a certain way. You don't want to
be that way. You want to be sensitive, like you
want to actually have access to and display of all

(53:32):
your emotions. It's just it can get loud when you
have a culture telling you this is the way the
boys are supposed to act.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It's absolutely infuriating. And now parents have to deal with
social media and like a constant stream of like like
Luca has YouTube. Is it called shorts?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Sorts?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
YouTube?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Shorts? Right?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
And that's his version of like social media, And it's
just like the things are you know, You're just you're
it's just the converse, because you're like, okay that they're
getting this fed directly into their brains and their brains
aren't as strong as ours yet and mine's not even
that strong anymore. When I see stuff, I'm.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Like, ooh, yeah, yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
A wild information dump on them. That wasn't something that
we had to deal with back then, Thank god, thank god.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Can you imagine I can't.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I mean, we're the last of them, I know. Yeah,
we're the last of the people that don't didn't have that, Yeah,
and it's really hard to keep it away from your
your kids.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
But you know, but hearing you talk about like get
in the car, we're going to the movies, and talking
about to go back to the bus, I think that's
like the antidote to any anxieties you have about them,
like consuming that because it's like, no matter how I'm
sure it'll be challenging throughout the tour, like have everybody
in the slots or whatever, but like you will, you
will probably I'm not telling you how to feel, but

(54:50):
you will probably look back on this moment and be
like really grateful, and it'll be so fond and like,
oh my gosh, like we grew up for like a
couple of months on this silly little vehicle.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I also feel like Matt and I get stronger every
time we get faced with something quite crazy like packing up.
You know, for kids, Luca won't be there the whole time.
He's a teenager now and he's like deep into soccer,
so he'll be like in and out. But like you know,
packing up a bus filled with kids and possibly animals,

(55:24):
and you know, and and we I feel like we
level up every time we tackle something like that, and
it's such a beautiful, like notch on the belt. So
I'm looking forward to it. And back on the topic
of you know, social media and our kids like getting
information from their friends or pressures from their friends or whatever.

(55:45):
We do this thing in our house, and I feel
like it's so important to just have your little family
quirks and stick to them and make your kids do it.
We on the weekends, we'll just start singing the song
in the house, Matt and I it's Amanda Tory Family Walk,
Amanda Tory Family Walk. And we just and everyone's like, no,

(56:07):
we live in the hills, so it's not an easy walk. Yeah,
We'll like get the dogs and we make everyone go,
and just like the conversations that happen are so nice
and everyone enjoys it by the end, but no one
wants to go in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, but you know that's part of the process too.
Now we have to act like we're put upon right
the walk in the hills.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Like people would like to go on a walk with you.
You don't have any idea.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Actually are people that are going to be doing a
meet and greet specifically to hang what twelfth of the
time you're going to get with me during this walk.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
And a polaroid and a polaroid and polaroid?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Will everyone in the family come to m S G though?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I think come. Yeah, Luca lived in New York with
me when I was shooting Younger, so he loves he
loves Brooklyn and he'll have to. He wants to come
for them as show. That's just a big deal.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
That's such a huge deal. You did play MSG back
in the day.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I think I only played it for like a jingle.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So it's your first time headlining and selling at Mathison
Square Gardens.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, it's so cool. It's awesome. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I just feel like, what what it must feel like,
or what it's going to feel like to go out
there after like being like, you know, living a different
life for so long. It's going to be it's an
extra special experience.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
The muscle memories in there. But I also am so
mean now that it's nice to have those two people
like collide is wake up.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
In the setlist come thank God?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Because I always am saying London Paris, maybe Tokyo when
we're booking the trip. I mean that's like, that's just
that's just part of those are always the.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Because to maybe because it's just kind of far. London
and Paris makes sense together because they're in Paris.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Maybe Tokyo is the hardest left. It's like, wow, we
were in London in Paris, but maybe.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Away.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
What day is the Madison Square Garden August?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's August something the publicist, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We have to google that. I can't keep dates. You're
you're doing everything. Wait, did Matt Wright on the album?
Besides roommates? What else did you write on the album?
We wrote the whole album?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Why did I think it was just roommates?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
No, we wrote the whole the whole thing, Okay. And
you can tell because I'm a fan of his work.
I love his stuff with Carly Ray, I know, I mean,
like he's really really.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Carly Ray record. Yeah, actually the one after.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
She's had so many I'm a huge Ray. But like
you're like you're referencing the Japanese house and like the
album and it's like what do I I'm curious, Like
what are you and Matt listening to in the house
like among you, because I feel like you were both
from these very wonderful, big like through.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Lines and music that are meaning together now in it's
like lush but still sparse like pop, like it's I
love this album so much in the way that like
talk about like how you guys arrived together at this.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I think sonically we were one looking at my old
catalog a lot, so I feel like in Weather for
Tennis you pick up some of that, very like Hillary
Duff Leaning Lane, But some of the things we were
listening to was like the Japanese House, the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Five, It's it's all in that world, like the Yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Even Harry's House for me, not so much taking inspiration
from that, but I loved putting that record on for
the first time and being like, oh I can just
like this is just a fantastic soundtrack live in it. Yes, Yeah,
I'm like I could be hosting a dinner party and
that's happening. I could be in my car solo and
this has happened. Like it was just a very like

(59:58):
Presen sushi restaurant, and then the rest was like really
trying not to listen to too much outside music, and
we have so many kids that it's not hard to
not do that because they kind of will steer the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And it's lots of like Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Cracy Abrams and Taylor and Kat's Eye and things I
love yea, yeah, but you know, I was not going
to go on the album necessarily. No, we really tried
to stay in like a Hillary Dufflin that's almost forty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I loved that it does. It does feel like it's
still like it speaks to a little bit that pop
rock thing that you were so like emblematic of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I feel like that it's dreamier. There's like a veil
of dreamy on top.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's like a nostalgic filter over that sound, but more contemporary.
And I love the way your voice sounds on it too.
Like it's just really like I think the choices like
are just so great, and I love the little pops
of humor that are in there. It's just like I said,
like it feels so me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
It's so like me coded and and it's weird to
say that, but it's like, you know, there's a lot
of there's a lot of like serious themes on the record,
but they're like disguised as like a going out night. Yeah,
and like maybe there's like a rhinestone brawn underneath that
oversized gesture, you know what I mean. Like it's just

(01:01:24):
that I feel like that is very a big part
of my personality, like oh, this is kind of happening
in it's serious, but also like we're having a great time,
and that I really wanted that to be expressed on
the record because that's being an adult, right, Like we're
handling so many things, we're moving through parts of life

(01:01:44):
that like are new to us, and and it was
like important for it to just be very like real
and raw.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I feel like that's the theme of the album to me,
is that like, oh, these are all like moments in
between or on the way to like a bigger conversation,
much like you know, talking like talking to the kids,
Like we'll talk about that later. It's like I feel
like Adult Size Medium is about that. It's like, oh,
it's like this is kind of deteriorating, but like we
can't really address it just yet. Or there's just a

(01:02:17):
lot of that on the album that I think it
like is really hard to capture that people don't really
take the time to like focus in on it's very
what you're describing where it's like I could put this
on at home, you put this on in the car.
It is it is all purpose but so specific, right,
So it's it's really fucking good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Thank you so so much. Also my voice, like it
was really fun to get on the mic again after
ten years, like really ten years. I recorded Matt and
I love Third Eye Blind and he was doing a
cover and I just happened to it was during COVID,
and I was like, are you really trying to cover
a Third Eye Blind song and not have me sing
on it? Like what the actual fun? And so I

(01:02:55):
sang that but I really hadn't sang on a microphone
in so long, and so to like arrive here and
now and you know, write this record and just have
my voice like I'm so much different now, I'm so
much more in my body that I'm not like I
don't need to seeing that note or be this thing.
I'm just I'm just me And like, you know, I'm

(01:03:16):
making this record because it feels good and it's just
an absolute cherry on top that like people are connecting
to it and like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
People love it, I mean us included, and like it's
just we're very, very very happy to have a Hillary
Duff album again, and we're so excited to see you
at MSG. We're definitely gonna be there August. It'll be
a hot, sweaty well, it will.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
New York when it's hot and muggy, Like, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
You know what, it's the worst when you're experiencing it,
and give me the memory.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Wait wait, wait wait, I want more of this because
people don't. This is thank you for being an apologist.
See's an apologist about muggy New York because people love
to shoot on it and I'm like, it's not We're out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I will tell you that there were times when I
lived in Soho and I was shooting younger that I
came to my apart. I got up my elevator like
open to my apartment and I just like sat down
and sobbed, like yeah, sometimes the humidity and he if
you're like trying to run errands and I'm an la girly,
so like I don't understand the concept of like shopping

(01:04:22):
small totally, like and I would just have like so
many bags and I'm like tough, and I'm like I
am you're counting the steps you know, and you're just like,
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I would I would identify as being seasonally depressed during
August or in the summer. Back in the day. I remember,
remember I was saying this. I was like, I think
I get seasonal affect of disorder. When it's August in
New York.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Dogs come out and you're sitting outside and you're just like,
now I'm eating alive by mosquito. It's horrible. There's something
I do. I romanticize it because like it's tied to
memories for me that I like, I love.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
It's like but it's like what you're just saying, it's
like you remember fondly the nostalgia filter over you sobbing
on a roof because because like you can't walk another step,
and then here we are, and it's what you remember
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
It's adult size medium.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, it's back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
And you're like, I missed those nights and you're like,
that night sucks, so and kiss so and so. Right,
You're right, we ended like tears in a toilet. It
was a horrible night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
You're like, oh, but if take me back, it's so
twenty whatever, it's the same.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, it's a time I think it's a tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It's time we've approached the moment. I don't think so, honey.
It's our one minute segment that we do where we
take a little something in culture and we just sort
of work it. We work it out on the remix.
With this thing, it's not necessarily a takedown, like, for example,
the one I'm going to do today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Do you guys go first?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
You go first? We demo, so I go first, boone,
and go second?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
What if you take mine?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I don't think they're going to do this one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Actually, do you have notes on your phone?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Just a timer?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Are you cheating?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And no, see it's not cheating if you do it.
But I will say, I mean, we say every time.
It tends to hit less hard when someone reads.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Off their phone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I'm not gonna read off my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
You're not good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I'll good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Do I want to? Yes? Well, we won't. Now, we
won't allow it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
We won't allow it, all right, okay something, Yeah, this
is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, Honey's time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I don't think so, honey. Crossword culture, I'm sorry. I
wake up in the morning. I don't even think about
it today. Thank you. So much New York Times today
last Culturistas is in the crossword, a huge honor. I
have been texted reached out to by more people than
if I announced my wedding, which probably will never happen.
But the thing is, like I old friends from high school,

(01:06:50):
like guys I used to date, like, Wow, this is amazing,
congrats on all you've accomplished. We just want to glad award.
And no one said any thirty seconds. But we're in
the crossword and it's like we've given birth to like
the of the Royal Air. And here's the thing. Bowen
did just walk me through a cross road right before,

(01:07:12):
and I see why it's fun. I just wish I
could be the kind of person that woke up and
thought of the crossword. And that is so many millions
of people. And I just want to know where we
diverged in the woods that I don't think of the crossword?
And y'all do was it my parents? Should my dad
instead of taking me to the natty professor showing me
the crossword? I don't know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Honey, And that's one minute.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I have so many thoughts. Go ahead, go ahead, okay,
I it's just too hard like I'm not good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Especially the ones in the New York Times.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
On a Sunday, I know that was the one I'm
talking about. But people wake up and do it on
a Sunday. Ever thought to do it before bed?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
He I that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Oh, that's interesting, like a wind down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
You know, it's cute. Might be fun for the family
on the bus, might be fun for you at home.
New York Times crossword puzzle Book of Mondays easy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Oh so so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
But by the days of the week, you know, like
the final boss is Sunday because it's bigger, it's not
necessarily harder. Saturday and Friday are like really tough. Monday
anybody can do it, Okay, truly anybody. And that's and
that's to wean you on. That's to like because there's
like hints that recur. There's like hints that there's like
things that like you're like, oh, that's from like a
month ago. Like you start to you really start to

(01:08:25):
get people get obsessed over it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
The culture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Oh, because it's slowly, like very gently brings you on board.
I understand that it seems very daunting. I am not
all the way there with all these diehards who love
the crossword.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
But you get funny also the things in our culture
that just hold the most weight to people, like the coolio,
the coolio thing that people have that like has a
choke hold on them, like the crossword. And you guys
made it in the crossword. And it's all of a
sudden You're like, did I get is it my birthday?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
What's with all these more text today then the other
day for my birthday? No, that's not true, but it
is a thing of I didn't realize this was so important.
Here's what bothers me about it. So we're sitting here
and we're doing it, and the one clue was like,
it's like a five letter word starting with an S.

(01:09:18):
And it was other word for pastry and a bakery.
And I'm sitting here and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
You already have it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Do you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
I need?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I'm just to let starts with us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
It's scone And I'm sitting here and I'm like, well,
of course I knew scone. And I feel like after
every single crossword thing, if I'm doing it with someone
and they get it first, my instinct is to want
to be like, hey, I knew, I did know that,
Like I do know Scone, like, don't think I don't
know Scone and it's like that with everything. But he's
so fast.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I literally looked it and I was like, you know it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
You I saw it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I saw it download in your brain and I was
like you and that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Can be the smart No, no, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I don't blame it, receive it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Or should we say now thank you for bringing back
now now? Because I really do think now now now
now that's very US culturist to say now now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
So there's no way that you're gonna do mine because
mine is inspired by a lyric. It's not coming for you. Okay, okay,
it's inspired. You've you've really gotten me thinking about this lyric.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Okay, okay, this is when think so honey as time starts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Now, I don't think so honey. The expression dying on
that hill, it's a lyric in weather for tennis. It's
a great It feels out the syllables, it fills out
the line the verse dying on that hill. How about
dying in the peace and comfort of your own home.
Come on, passing away in your sleep in bed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Dying on that hill. See, people say that's the hill.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I'm willing to die on. But remember when we used
to have opinions and not have steaks attached to them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
I'm gonna die on this hill. Trader Joe's has the
best orange chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, you're dying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
You're dying on that hill. Also, this isn't the Civil War.
It might be about to be, but this isn't the
old one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
There's no hills, there's no everybody. Keep the hills clear
of bodies. Seconds, Keep the hills clear.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
That might be public space, green space, public infrastructure. Keep
the hills clear of your corpse.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
And that's one minute.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, keep it open for the picnics, for the pics.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
But whether for tennis reminded me of that saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
That's so good, And I love that line in the
songs because it does fill out everything that's needed. That's
a song. There's not a lot of room to breathe
in that song.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I love how like It is a It's Mariah Carey
ask there's a lot of like thoughts. Full album full
of thoughts, Yes, lots of lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Lots of lyrics. Yeah, which has kind of always been
my music until I started going to like super Dancy genre.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Oh remember the era that was like the dignity era.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
It was like a weird turn, but not for nothing, with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Love, with love everything. Also beating my heart. Oh, don't
forget beating my heart. Before Z there was beating my
heart and that's just true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah. I love that one. Yeah, so very fun. That
one's in the in the Small Rooms, Big Nerves tour.
Oh it has to Yeah, it's been it's been fun. Okay,
is it my turn?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Okay, I'm just realizing how long a minute is and
it's giving me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
No a minute, You're just realizing. No, it's always been
sixty seconds. Nothing changed today when you came in. We
didn't elongate a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Okay, you can do it. You can do it. I
think you've done so many harder things. Yeah, okay, this
is Hillary defth I don't think so, honey. Her time
starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I don't think so, honey. The boom of the robots please,
I am not interested. I would like to talk to
a real person on the phone. Oh I am sitting there.
You know what's gonna happen as soon as I get
a real human on the phone, after I've pushed every
single button, representative, real human with a beating heart. Please

(01:13:11):
pick up. I need you. Okay, I'm gonna be in
Cold Water Canyon. My call's gonna drop. I'm gonna be
put to the beginning of the line again. I just
need to book my airline ticket. I need to talk
to a person. Okay. The other thing that's stressful for
me is these little robots that are delivering food in
the bucket. They are so stressed out. They're having an
anxiety attack. Watching them slam on the breaks every second,

(01:13:33):
I'm like the poor thing. All of a sudden, I'm
feeling empathy for this thing. They had to put eyes
on it and give it a name.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
They didn't have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Why they put eyes on it and give it a name?
I feel so it looks so isolating. That little thing's
slamming on its breaks trying to cross the road. Kids
are punking it, poking at it, thinking it can't defend.
Five seconds, that's all I have left. What's happening to
the pad tie inside of the bucket or it's been
slamming on its breaks a hundred times?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I don't think so, honey, that's one minute Sea. It's
because because my.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Other one was going to be. Why am I constantly
getting logged out of my streaming services?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
No process?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Oh forget who's that verification?

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
I'm done. I can't even watch to be tonight. I
don't remember who I am my past coode for that,
but I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Six two seven one eight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
That's my that's my one time passcode for box dot com.
It's too much that you didn't mention the biggest threat
to humanity in the Valley area, though, And I'm saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Tell me, way, MO, have you written in AA.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I refuse because our best friend Jared got an away
MO to go to a bar, and a bunch of
our friends were at the bar and they're like, oh,
look there's Jared in a way MO. And then Jared
got stuck the way Mow got stuck in an intersection
and the light changed from red to green and literally
try was going around him the WAYMO didn't know how

(01:15:01):
to figure it out. Yeah, so everything. He got out
of the car and went into the high tops lost
feelis and they were like, you that tried that WAYMO,
tried to kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I'm not into them. I'm not into I'm not into
all this. I want some human contact.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I absolutely know it's it's too much. First of all,
thank you for that. Second of all, you do not
Hillary Duff, have to feel any empathy for the robot
feeling anxiety.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Don't worry. But that is because they've manipulated us into
feeling that way because of these eyes. And one person
takes a photo of one of these. They give them names.
They named one after it, after me, but there's one
named Bowen driving around West Tyley when I.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Go get out of here. Should I sue this infringement?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
This is infringement on my name? No, I don't know
my name is. My name is not my own? But
isn't that weird? Though they want you to feel like,
oh it's Wally, you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Know Wally, and now it's having all kinds of feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
But you don't, don't have to, don't. But here's the thing.
Does a little part of you think it's cute.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
It's a little cute, but it's just a slamming on
the brakes that make me really sad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I don't like it at all. And also I don't
think i've ever had Can you choose if your delivery
is being on a bike or like a or you
don't think you can choose.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Okay, I don't think you're undy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
No, I don't think so, honey, you can pick. But
I just I want the autonomy here and I can't
with the way most because they are. I don't get
how that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
You guys saw the the Jimmy Kimmel's aunt went in
the way moo and they filmed it. Tell me you
saw that. No, Oh my gosh. She's screaming at the
top of her lungs and she's calling her daughter, who's
like the producer with Kimmel or whatever. She's like, I'm
in Nika and there's not a driver, and she's like
losing her mind. It's so funny, and she's like grabbing

(01:16:59):
the thing and the steering all was like turning and
he and she's like, what, I sent the car for you,
and she's like, I'm telling you, I'm in the car
you sent and there's no driver.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I only want to be in a self driving car
if it's at Disney's California Adventure Radiator Springs Racers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Oh, I lied to my kid and said that they
slowed the I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, but you have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Load it down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
You have to be the parent that's like, we're getting
on this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I know, you should see what kind of a
fight it turns into sometimes and then you're like, I'm
not that person, but I am right now. I know
like that Disneyland is get yeah, yeah today?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Are all four of them interested in doing the rides?

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
No? And I scarred Lucas so bad. We had like
a pretty big arm wrestle to get him on Scream in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
California or what Credit coaster.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
And he wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do it, and
he's like scarred for life that I like pressured.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Him and did he get on it eventually?

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Oh yeah, eventually not with me, with like his cousins.
And I was like, I'm glad you had that experience,
but we were here three months ago. I wanted that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Experience when my dad took us to Universal in Orlando,
like when I was young, like ten, and I had
been talking about the incredible Hull roller coaster for like
a year, like I can't wait to do it. You
get there and I'm start sobbing and he goes no,
and he's like, we're not doing this you because then
we're gonna leave and you're gonna talk the whole time
then how you didn't do it? Dragged me, dragged.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Me the thing that the things that those people have seen. Yeah, operators,
Oh yeah yeah. We went to Disney World for Christmas
and it was so much fun and Banks actually got
on a few of the little coasters, like the Slinky Dog.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
We love the Slinky Doll.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
So fun. Oh so proud himself, but we do, like,
you know, it's a small world, like fifteen times.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot to see a
lot of those little guys in there. You got to
you gotta say hello too. I want to pow dice
to everybody for uh being pro New York community.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Great for the skin, right, but.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
But to think of you sobbing is really tough for me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I think it's one of those things that makes you stronger. Yeah,
like I living in the city is hard, so hard.
It's not for the faint.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
No, it's not for the faint.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
But it's gives you that, It gives you that that
grit that it grows appreciation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Peters grew in the city.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
She did, she did. Do you think that Kelsey Peters
is like I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Think she works for Jenna Buschheger.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Now, oh yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
She's loving this backstory. Let's create it now. Did you
know that Jenna bush was my camp counselor it's what Texas, Texas,
she was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Your camp counselors.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
We love her, love her too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
She's literally out of a plus.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Yeah, she's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Texture love her.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
We've we've been on her show singing our camp song.
So cute.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
She does for Jenna.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
She's at Jenna's imprint or something, or she helps. She
helps with just publishing. She's like headbed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
She books the open book podcast with Jenna Bushager. She
is influential in the read with Jenna selections this. Yeah,
that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So Kelsey for me, doesn't I don't think there's a
lot of like personal growth that's able to happen there.
But like in the workforce, like she's a beast, cannot
be stopped. She's going straight to the top. But the
personal growth is a real tough thing for her.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, she's got a high pressure job.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Wait, before we let you go, I'm told I can't
you can't leave without Did you play a Russian? John
Cusack directed a film, Yes, and you played what was
the character you played.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
She was a like a I don't want to get
this wrong. She was a like Bulgarian pop star.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Huge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
He didn't direct, did he write it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
He wrote it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Okay, cool, he wrote it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Start in it. Yeah. There was a lot of people
in that like Ben Sir Ben Kingsley was in that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Yes. It was one of those things where it was
like an.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
In that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Family.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Yeah. Yeah, and I had to put like a scorpion
down my pants in that movie Horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
It was a big it was a big growing up moment.
We're looking for something with edge.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah, there's definitely parts of my career where I'm like,
she was really trying for something and maybe she should
have stayed home.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
But look where we up. One.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
I'm thrilled has been incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
You're at Lost Coach today, she knights at the garden
and the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Luck or something. But it's so much more than that.
It's you're such a star in every single way. We're
so happy that you came in, Like we were just
psyched for you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Well, I was looking forward to this for months and months.
Oh thank you for having me. You guys are an
absolute dream.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Do you remember when we met at Vulturefest. So do
you remember you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
I remember, no. We were so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
We were doing the interviews at Vulturefest when you guys
came through for Younger. We were in like matching matching suits,
and you guys came in and you were the only
celebrity that gave us a hug the entire day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
So thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I was like, I wonder iful. Ever remember that that
was us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
I was the only one that gave you a nice
You were.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
The only one who just gave us a hug.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I mean everyone was great, and like Sutton was great,
every like everybody on the Younger House was great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
But was it all of us?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
It was I think it was Nico, it was you,
it was Sutton. We were so like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Exactly one of my best Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Debbie Major was there as well. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I just watched Beethoven with my kids. Oh it was
so fun. It was so, so so fun. It was
actually Matt's call, and he did all six of them.
I was like, you're a better parent than me, because
after one and two they are.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
There's six of them. They become sequels.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Really really better. But one and two amazing, and Debbie
steals every single Seaede like she's such as legend, she's
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, all right, well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
I love that you're such a younger stance.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Oh no, love. And also it has I'm just saying
like it's it's gotten lost in the press tour. I know,
and we needed it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
But it had its moment once it like got on
Netflix and then people like so many more people got
eyes on it. Oh yeah, she's doing all right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
She's you can see your residuals checks now and be like, yes,
it's on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I don't think so, but really.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Call your lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
We love you, Thank you so much for coming, Thank
you so much for having We end every and now
you're going to go do hot ones. Oh my god,
we'll have to check in with you later. We end
every episode with a song. I think we have to.
We have to shout at the classic. Let's go back
back to the beginning, back to win the Earth, the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
Sun, stars, all land and for the rest of that
we'll see you at Madison Square guards one of those days.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
What happened six by.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Last.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Culture Racis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money
Players in iHeartRadio podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers
and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna hasby A and
produced by Becca Ramos.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Edited and mixed by Duck Babe, and our Music

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Is by Henry Komerski

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