"Gushy" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Escape from the bleak world into the gushy escapism of culture lately. 'Cause it's a culture catch-up with Matt + Bowen! "Wuthering Heights", the latest from Emerald Fennell, and Wuthering Heights, the latest from Charli XCX, are discussed! Also, Bad Bunny's Super Bowl statement, Ricky Martin's moment at Olympic Ice Dancing, and the question, have video games gotten harder or easier over time? All this, Netflix's Reality Check: Inside America's Next Top Model documentary, Bravo's Summer House and thoughts on gummies vs. pills. For inquiries into all Olympics thoughts, please refer to Two Guys, Five Rings! Gushy! We said it again.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look mare, Oh, I see you look over there? Is
that the culture? Yes, wow, lost culture, ding Doll.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Lost culture is calling talk about Oh yeah, what what
do you call that?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I call it a flourish, a flourish. I call it
a flour Is it flourish or flourish? I guess it's regional.
I would say American flourish.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
American flourish. Title of that, American flourish.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Oh shit, I don't know that that the words go together. Well, okay.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
The headline is we just got back from the Olympics.
Thank you to NBC and YouTube for sending us. And yeah,
if you want to hear specifically about them, you can
listen to Two Guys Five Rings, which sort of bookend
this by coming out on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But we talked a lot about it there.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
But being American nowadays, hmmm, in a word, hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
In a word, hmmm. Does your name show up in
the Epstein files? It does not.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I can confirm my name does not show up in
the Epstein files, And if it does, I have to
say it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
The other Matt Rogers.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
And I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else because, as
you know, I am like millions of Americans. My name
is Matt Rogers, but I'm if there's one in there,
it ain't me. Are you in the E files?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't think so, but I will also blame the
other Matt Rogers' is yeah, world, if it's them, Are
you the only Bowen Yang? No? No, there are certainly others,
you know. It was very like broad City, the episode
with Alana and Alia shawkat, like there's once. I was
once friends with another bow and Yang on Facebook. Remember

(02:02):
that era of social media where it was like your
only handle on a site like Facebook was your real name,
and you could search via other names like government, Christian,
religious names, like what you're like other people you can
find community And so I tried that with another bow

(02:23):
Yang and he seemed to be very weirded out by,
like my outreach.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
He was like, I don't want to just on the
basis of name connect with you.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's like, that won't be enough for me. And I
understand now he was he was way ahead in emotional intelligence.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I could shout out one other Matt Rogers who is
actually a Grammy winning country songwriter.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Mm hmm, not the one with the Christmas album different
Matt Rogers. Okay, so there's one that's a Grammy winning
country songwriter that's separate from the like sort of I'm
just gonna say, raunchy more conservative media. Yeah yeah, and
that's different from the American idol one Yes, which is

(03:08):
also different from me. This is into the spider verse.
This is this literally, I think there is like a
multiverse sort of action comedy. I think you could write
a Christmas a multiverse Christmas special with all four plus
a view.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, this guy, Matt Rodgers is a sports podcaster and
but but his handle is Politan Dope, which made me
think he was like a political person.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
But he's a dope fiend. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Just to to go back to the Epstein files of
it all for a second, I have been wanting to
say something, which is that I feel, in a real way,
what's kind of getting lost in all of this is
the fact that, yes, it's kind of becoming this like
political game of like can we get Trump.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
And all these horrible, awful men.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
But and then people have said before me obviously that
like there's real victims here. I feel like I just
want to put out there and just reach out to
everyone that It's not just the victims in this case.
This is like when things like this come out, it's
like incredibly triggering for anyone out there that has any
history or experience with being abused, whether whenever that happened

(04:20):
in your life. And so I have just like really
been wanting to say to everyone, like, because it feels
like an incredibly rough, dark, awful time. Obviously I know
we're all feeling it, but I just wanted to show
love to anyone that is feeling like really harmed or
triggered by this being casually in the news every day,

(04:42):
and I feel like we sort of get so numb
to every single moment, feeling like we have to be
on high alert when we watch the news or you know,
receive any information about what's happening in the world.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But I did just want to stop and say.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
This is not normal. This should not be in our
lie gives every minute of the day. This will they
are won't they about whether or not there's going to
be accountability, and this awful thing, which is I would
I would go out there and say the biggest scandal
maybe ever, And even that feels like diminishing what it is,
which is just sheer pain, and so I just wanted

(05:20):
to reach out to all of our listeners and say,
I'm sorry if this is hurting you and if this
is triggering something in you, because I really think it's
starting to become very cavalier actually, the way people just
kind of like but that's what dating files around, and

(05:40):
it's not okay. And I'm at the point now where
I'm just like, we need to burn the whole fucking
thing down at this point, because we need to start
creating and living in a better world than the one
we're living in where where we're still protecting these people.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's what's coming out though, is the casual like it
is the way that like these people like were joking
about openly calling themselves pedophiles monsters. But it's like they're
not even like hiding behind It's like no, there's there's
not even like an irony behind it. It's like they're like, yeah,
this is what we do anyway, what a great note

(06:20):
to start this body. No, but I mean like no, no, no, no,
I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm just
I'm just I'm just popping the bubble. I don't I'm
not like defe for sure what you're saying. We were
talking about this.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's been a time when the dark stuff is so
beyond anything. I think we've we've taken in direct succession.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Again and again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's not just like, oh that thing happened, that's sad.
It's oh that thing happened that's like devastating and would
never have been in our purview in other eras, like
where we were out here consuming you know, news and media,
and it's like this are to comment on pop culture sometimes.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I don't know if you feel like this lately, but
like I haven't consumed it.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I guess what I'm saying is like, well, I don't
know algorithmically, like maybe I've just pushed the wrong buttons
because now it's just all this like conspiracy stuff about
like the Epsteine of it all, and I'm just like
I have to put my phone away and back off
and like give myself a hug because it's also fucking crazy.
But I think that in a time when we're like
commenting on pop culture and stuff and it feels like

(07:28):
so blended in with our political reality and the dark reality,
I just feel like we have to say out loud,
like this is like it's been unbelievably bleak.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And I just want to show love to our listeners
and the readers and everybody, all everyone under the umbrella,
because I know I've been feeling like shit, Like shit, yeah,
I have sort of done the thing that I do,
which is I sort of ensconce myself in like, which
is I think what everybody is doing. It's like, oh,

(08:04):
let me just fully burrow and like comfort and like
I've been very like everyone's like, let's say, hey, like
we're going out to this plan. I'm like, no thanks,
It's it's everyone's being Christian Wige at me, being like, hey,
come over here, and I'm like, no, no, Well you
did go to that lunar New Year party. That was fun. Yeah,

(08:24):
that was very fun. I was, which I didn't know
until after the fact that it was Hudson Williams's birthday party. Wow,
this is where I go I've fully aged out of things.
It was like, did it seem like a young vibe? No? No, no, no, no,
it wasn't even that. It was just it's not that
I've aged out, it's just that I am fully in
my introvert a gore phobia bag Like h oh. I

(08:47):
was like, oh right, it's fashion Week and it's Lunar
New Year, and it's like just all these things are happening.
I felt like I was just in the thick of
things and like the the main event of the thing,
which was this the Olympics, and okay, so like this
is just taking stock of like what this year has

(09:10):
been for us. We did Oscars, we did I guess
you could say, we did Coachell, which also felt like
another like energetic nexus, energetically like a thing that like
people like talk about go to like just a meeting place,
a thing I don't know, and then like stuff over

(09:30):
the summer, right like us open like we've gotten to
like go to these great I would say, like fun
things and then like Olympics and then like SNL fifty
and then like just like just like we've like it's
it's just a very overstimulating year.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
We've been relentlessly plugged in, that's for sure. And like
something about going to going from like Olympics right into
like another concentrated burst of activity just made me go like, okay,
this is like.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
More than anyone is like meant to handle and I
actually and my heart goes out to people who like
work on this schedule of like having to be at
these like high concentration like biomassy events where like people
gather and people like because I'm like, this is this
is a lot. And you just see like the billboard

(10:25):
of the world everywhere. It's like you see every fucking
brand and thing, and then it makes you it makes
us kind of go like, wait, I guess like everyone's
job now is just to like say how much they
love like this this brand or that brand, including us,
Like I did a freaking super Bowl ad for goodness sakes,
Like it's just I am dealing with like like I

(10:48):
thought I had done like the post mortem of like
the big like flash point of my life in January,
and now I'm like, oh, it's still ongoing. There are
still things that we that like I'm about to go
to end art to get tomorrow, like there's there's just
stay like I am done being stimulated. To be honest,
I think you.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Need to make an active choice to just I've said
this to you.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
You need to learn how to be bored. I love
being bored. Oh my god, So what I've been doing
this is all to say, I have been like a
million things came out this weekend that I like wanted
to see or like wanted to engage with, and I
just haven't, Like I still haven't press play on the
Weathering Heights album. Oh my god, you haven't.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I also saw the movie I am like, I'm bursting
to talk.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So you're as usual, like and I'm grateful for you,
like you are like going out into the field in
the words of Wendy Williams, like you are in the field,
frightened of Kornova Nova, like you I just did that.
I mean, like, there's so many things to talk about.
I guess I think that what I'm delineating from what
you're saying, which I think actually is a pretty universal thing.

(11:55):
Right now, it's hard to show up. Yeah, showing up
is fucking hard right now, Like showing up is weird.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Showing up takes a lot of energy. I think everyone
in their life right now. It's also a weird fucking
time of year. People are not doing well. Things are
not great, and so everyone's dealing with their own saturation
at a certain level. And that's I guess why I
just wanted to get on here and just like try
and show love to people, and because it's been really hard,

(12:27):
like it's it's been a really weird, dark start to
the year because it's one system, our one soul, like
our one cultural soul right now is not happy. And
maybe that sounds woo woo or like bizarre.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
But the present condition is like extremely, extremely depleting. That's it.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I think that means that we can't or it's
very hard for us to show each other empathy. And
I think that it's just important that we do that
for each other, and that we do that for all
of you. And so with all that being said, I
did see Weathering Heights, which was devastating, oh in what way,

(13:16):
so sad, but felt right for the moment because it
felt a little cathartic for the moment, like this bleak
fucking portrait of tragic like romance.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think I loved it.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And you know, Emerald Fanella is a controversial figure on
this podcast because it actually was salt Burn and our
reviews of salt Burn, which caused Tina Fate to come
in here and do her authenticity is dangerous and expensive.
I don't think so, honey, because we've had I think
because when you go see a movie of Verse, there

(13:52):
is a lot to talk about. Yeah, like you therefore
leave with a lot of strong reactions.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
And I've realized that that is good and.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Maybe makes her one of my favorites, because I'm leaving
now with a ton to say and feel and more.
And I think at least that in the picture of
everything that's going on right now, has been kind of
a good thing because I did go to the theater
and for two hours and sixteen minutes, I didn't think
about anything else than what was truly happening on screen,

(14:24):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like it gave escape. And I think that.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Artistically, creatively, culturally that is what we need because of
what we're talking about right now, it being incredibly hard
to even show up in the bleak ass fucking reality.
I need more of this gushy type of movie like
fantastical reality stuff. And you know, I've even been thinking

(14:53):
more and more about getting into video games.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
What has is what's piqued your interest?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think just exactly what I'm saying, just like, what's
the way I can occupy myself.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
In another reality, in another dimension that has nothing to
do with really with social media and with reality. Yeah,
So to me, like it's no, like there's something intellectually
logically great about anytime someone's like, oh that person is

(15:28):
really into video games and they like and with that connotation,
it's like they are a shut in or they don't
socialize much or whatever. Right all my life, I've like
kind of reckoned with that, and I like, I'm a
little bit confused, and I push back on that notion
a bit where I'm like, I'm a social person and

(15:50):
I love video games and person and I've balanced I've
balanced those two loves like all my life. And then
as we're like as you and I are talking about
stuff where we're like, oh, like we're working on things
that are about like people trying to get in somewhere
and get into places or like who are very aware
of the way that things are stratified in this world.

(16:13):
Just even you talking about like going to a movie
and escaping for two and a half hours. I know
this is like well trod stuff where it's like this
cinema is in a scape, but either there's like a
really interesting binding right now of like people are either
staying home and isolating and like that's like loneliness epidemic
blah blah blah blah blah. Or it's like people are

(16:34):
ravenous about going to the right party, the right fashion show,
the right movie, the right concert, whatever. Yeah, Like it's
either about like complete curation of your own like internal space,
or it's about like aggressively needing access to something that's

(16:56):
outside of that.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, it's a higher anxiety around all of it, I
think as a result of the world being the way
it is, and also post pandemic, like us coming out
of the first couple of years of that, which we're
like a frenzy and now we're settled into just like, Okay,
this is now fully post COVID. Movie theaters are really struggling,
like it's hard to get people out, you know, And

(17:19):
then I go see this one. I can't believe you
haven't even listened to the Charlie album. I've listened to
the singles that have been put out, and I listened
to the full like the full album.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I laugh as that these words even come out of
my mouth, you guys, because I get what it sounds like.
So I'm not gonna say it's my favorite Charli XCX album.
I am gonna say I am blown away by her
a fucking again, and I don't understand how she did this.
Doing everything else she was doing the just impenetrable brat

(17:52):
machine that's been going for two years. She somehow found
time to not only do this companion album to Wuthering Heights,
but to completely crush it and push herself forward in
a way that she clearly like finds acceleration in being Busy.

(18:12):
Because the strings and Charlie XCX, we had heard that
this was gonna be what she was going to explore musically,
that there was gonna be orchestral, you know, elements the
push and pull of the strings on some of these
songs to create tension, to ride the waves of what

(18:34):
these characters are going through in the movie. I had
already loved it before I saw the movie, and then
I saw the movie and I enjoyed it even more.
She has real talent in terms of what she can
do cinematically with her music. She's got a huge future probably,
And she didn't score this movie, but she did the
music for it, but I would wager to get scored

(18:57):
that she is going to have a huge future. She
already has a presence in obviously Nicole film. Yeah, well
in culture obviously, but in film culture, what she's capable
of is so good in terms of atmosphere, cinematic atmosphere.
She clearly got this rendition of Weathering Heights because it

(19:20):
isn't Weathering Heights. It's like a bizarre sort of slalt version.
It's a slant version of Weathering Heights.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
But my god.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And it's like her lyrics are more poetic than they've
been yet. It's pure pop mm hm. But it feels
like it's for the movie theater. It's she's on one.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Of course she I think she was saying in interviews
for this project that during the chaos of brat Era
that she was like, you know, E'merald Texter and is like,
will you do a song? And she's like, I'll do
you want better? I'll write a whole album and then

(20:03):
she escapes into like the Bronte Sisters or I think
she like at least read Wuthering Heights, and that was
like the escape that she needed from this. Like I think, like, again,
we're not saying anything new about escapism, as if as
it like functions or as we like need it like
on a sort of like psychological level, but like I

(20:25):
think that is thematically like obviously like running throughout all
of these things in the current moment, as like you
and I are talking about all of these things kind
of wearing us down, like the world being like things
politically being completely helpless and powerless, like anytime, like we
try to think of things in terms of politics, in

(20:47):
terms of at the end of the day, it should
just be about making sure people are better off that materially,
Like even our Laura durt episode that like made me
come away from things being like wow, even she has
an aware of the fact that people do not have
the things they need to survive in them, Like that
is what is true. That is universal basically except for

(21:09):
like a very small group of like let's say, epsteiny people.
But like otherwise, like everyone needs this, everyone is tapping
into like escape. That's all. Yeah, I don't know, I'm
saying things that are like so no, I mean generally true.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
The opportunity to get this as an artist for her
was clearly leptad you know what I mean, Like I
feel like I don't like talking about them in the
same sentence because so much has been made about it already.
But it felt like what Folklore felt like for me

(21:48):
when I listened to it in terms of Taylor, whereas
this is like an experience outside of herself aka The's novel,
the novel and this film and it. But it's still
all the things that Charlie does best, Like it's incredibly
emotional pop on this landscape. It's just the landscape is

(22:11):
different from what we had come to find from her.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Did you ever read this book? No?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Never, Okay, I had never read it in high school either,
but people talk about it like it's one of the.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Ones people ride hard for Bronte's.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It's so dark and fucked, and Charlie was the perfect
person to ask to do it because there is this
like Poudy fatalism the entire time, especially watching it and
knowing it's gonna end incredibly badly.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I just John August said on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
He posted like a picture of the poster and this
is when I had just left the film, and I
was like, huh, And I'm sitting with it thinking about it.
And then John August said, Emerald Fanelle makes the movies
she wants to see. I fucking love it, And I
was like, you know what in that regard I'm actually
thinking about all three of her films differently, because you

(23:07):
can even watch the three of them. I haven't done
this yet, I think I will, but you could even
think of them as operating in the same it's the timeline,
like in the same universe, Like she has a color palette.
I really like watching again her departments are on ten,
Charlie now being one of them. She clearly has people
that want to give everything to what she does. I

(23:32):
think if I have an issue with this movie, it's
just the fact that because it is not actually Wuthering Heights,
like therefore the stories not doesn't feel like it's completely
on the screen, Like it's just maybe not enough happens
in Act three for me to be like really taken
over the top with it. But what I love about

(23:54):
this movie far outway is what I don't like about it,
Like I just love fucking choices. I think what I
needed right now is what we're talking about, which is
like this big Victorian cartoon with huge emotions.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
And like sex and like.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Blood and I just really heavy handed sound design, and
like I just loved again how gushy it was. It
felt like it felt like an entree sized dessert.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Whoa dessert for dinner felt like ice cream for dinner.
It felt like too much pie for dinner, and I
love that. Yeah, it was indulgent in all the best ways.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Like someone said that it's their favorite movie out of
the three she's done because it feels like it at
least has to be about something, whereas you know, like
Promising Young Woman is obviously about essay and about the
patriarchy and the poison that that is. And then this
is kind of just like, yeah, here's a tragic fucking

(24:57):
romance blown all the way out. You can tell it's probably,
you know, her favorite novel so much so that she
didn't try to remake it. She just said, I'm gonna
make yeah something in this image because I fucking love it.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, because romance you can do, forgive the term like
at scale, you can like you can blow out romance
all the fucking way, yes, and we appreciate it, and
we appreciate it and it works. It can be, you know,
romance can either be super small and intimate, or it
can be it can horse you around it being like
the grandest fucking overture thing ever, and it works on

(25:38):
whatever scale. Like I think if you're gonna do like
a class parable or like something about wealth, about wealth,
and if you're gonna do something about sexual assault like
that is those are those are big swings that I
think people really want to see, like The Landing Stick,
and they have intense reactions to those things, like I mean,
both both those movies garnered intense reactions, and it's because

(26:04):
what she does is incredibly bold. So she brought that
boldness to so much of this movie, but it didn't
feel like even the moments that felt like sensational and
that we've come to expect from her, they felt balanced
now because because they across the board, we were just

(26:25):
living in a heightened reality. That And not to say
that it wasn't about anything, because obviously it's about so
many things. It's obviously about trauma. It's about it's about trauma.
Jamie Lee Curtis.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, but it was funny because like you're just like,
isn't everything but in a real way.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But I guess what I'm saying is this.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I was excited to see her adapt in existing work
because I was like, now she can just focus on
putting all of her onto it. And I really liked
seeing all of her onto It and Jacob ELORDI, I
think his Oscar chances increased. I don't know if he'll whim,
but he's fucking great in this He's amazing.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, oh well, I can't speak to this movie, but
I generally find him to be unbelievably talented and great
at every like at what he's done, like almost pound
for pound, like role for role. I'm always like, well.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, I think I didn't really know, because, to be
honest with you, I'm kind of I'm kind of a
neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts
because I'm not a Euphoria girly and I'm not a
Euphoria girl.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It kind of makes me dizzy, of course, I understand.
I it took me. I think I watched the first
episode of Euphoria and then waited like a full two
years later to watch the rest of the show, and
he from the beginning is like, well, who's that guy? Right, right,
right exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning, like
it reminds me of being in like in like seventh grade,
when when like you were in health class and you
were seeing like like the day in health class when
I'll never.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Forget this one day. Maybe everyone had a version of this,
but there was a day in like seventh or eighth
grade was in health class where they were talking about
sti's and they were showing pictures of stuff that could
Maybe this was like a scared straight tactic, but there
was pictures on the board of like what happens to
your body when you get this STI or that one

(28:23):
or that one, and it just modeled those picks.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
It spun me out so much that I remember one day,
all the blood left my face and I had to
lay down on the table and then I was sent
to the nurses office for two hours because I couldn't. Like,
I just I don't know what happened to me, but
I get that feeling when I watched you for you out,
Like I'm just like, oh my god, this is so overwhelming,
Like I don't know what it is. It takes over

(28:48):
the systems of my body and shouts that it's body horror.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's body horror, but yet it's not. But it kind
of is, you know what I mean, Because it's teens
and these kind of situations and it's so stylized and
like I said casual. Well, I'm just like, oh, like right,
what do you think of this sentence? Sarah Sherman like
broke this open for me. We are all of us
human bodies that all have are governed by the same

(29:10):
processes that are at the end of the day, disgusting.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh and I think that the media that we're talking
about makes that extremely clear.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I have appreciated Sarah's work specifically because I'm like, oh,
this is like there is like a political commentary that
she is making about like shit coming out of her
like like hamburger helper, shit coming out of a butthole,
or like you know, like her nipples hanging all the
way to the floor. I'm like, oh, we're all just gristle. Yeah.

(29:48):
And I'm like, but she's doing it and in this
artistic way this I might just should I just start
a Sarah Sherman stand podcast, like I have, I have enough.
I could talk about this girl forever.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
If you did a Sarah Sherman podcast, it would get
listened to, like it would it would be in the
top two hundred. Oohen Yang Sarah Sherman podcast.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
But she's right and she should say it. And she
should keep saying it that you should keep saying it.
It's it's like that in in Saltburn. I mean it's
like that in Wuthering Heights too. It's like there's so
much like blood, well not even blood and Gordon at
the end, like you get like stylized stuff. I don't
think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film

(30:35):
ends in significant death and it is, you know, tragic
and stylized. And not to call it, not to call
it death romantic, but it is romantic.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Like it's in that in in the definitive way. It's
just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this
about her other films too, like she has a fascination
with the corpse.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Huh yeah, yeah, like in the first film. I'm not spoiling.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Well, this is a spoiler alert for promising young woman.
But at the end when carries.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, there's a moment.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, there's like a lot about her corpse and the
way it moves and sounds and the way they have
to break it down. And then that happens again in
Sulburn when spoiler alert, Jacob Elordi is found in the
maze and you hear the flies around his body and
you see, I believe it's Richard Y Grink goes up
to the body and tries to move it, and like

(31:34):
the sounds just make are very stiff.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's just it's all very I mean the.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
First scene of the of Wuthering Heights, I'll say a
spoiler alert for fifteen seconds is a man is being
hung in the town square and the entire crowd is
like ecstatically and euphorically looking at his erection while he
takes his last breaths, and you're like, okay, we are
at Emerald Finel's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues.

(32:02):
But it is this fascination with corpse that and like
like corporal function or lack thereof that kind of does
connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fanel And I thought you
didn't think that would happen there at that that.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
No, I love it any any anything that relates back
to Sarah Sherman. That makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
But it's but it is there, like it is like
there is I don't know, I would be interested in
the perspective on that, Like if we ever do have
Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question,
or Emerald Fanel, just like I would ask, like, where
are you coming from when you tackle the human body
this way?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Like I do think it's fascinating. Well, the thing that
I would genuinely love to ask Sarah is she draws
the line at what she will not boers, yeah, because
and then I'm like, Sarah, why why don't you like
to do booger stuff or why don't you like burger stuff?

(33:05):
And all she's ever been able to say to me is,
I mean, what are we, chuck, We're grown We're grown ups,
like Aretuly seven. So much of her humor is like
and then their head comes off, and yet boogers are like,
what are we children? She's She's like, con I.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Mean that episode with her, it's rare. We get blackout,
but we.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Didn't even drink that much. Can I say we had
one martini each, but we felt drunk.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well, it's kind of like that thing again, warped reality escapism.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
It's like we wanted to be drunk and so we were,
and so we were totally wait a minute, back to you. Potentially,
I feel like we've always been at the precipice of this.
If you wanting to try video games and it never
totally works well because.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I can't figure out how to plug it in really
or get the games on the on the thing. Once
I figure out how to load games onto the way,
it's over for you.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
You can easily. I think there's plenty of resources out there.
I think you have people in your and sort of
your network and your orbit who can help you with that.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
In the words of Charlie XCX, I want to be
taken out of myself, which is one of the new
songs on the album There you go, take me out
of myself, someone and show me it's possible to become
a little gamer, because I I really was one.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Like when we were at the museum, I was like,
I was this girl. I was that little girl was me.
It was me. Can you talk about I'm gonna give
you like a little Helix sleep quiz. Okay, do you
want narrative or does this story not really matter?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think this is an annoying answer because I would
get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
It doesn't matter. It would depend on the type of narrative,
Like if it's a compelling narrative one hundred percent. But yeah,
but also my entire history is in like achievement based
super Smash Brothers type Mario Kard type stuff. I one
time played the Super Mario r GP on the Super Nintendo,
which I thought was a great MARPG. Yeah. Yeah, yes,

(35:17):
I thought that was amazing. Uh huh. They re released it.
They remade it for Switch? Did they with the same narrative,
same narrative, They just updated the graphics. Wow. Cool. So
when we played Split Fiction a few weeks ago, what
did you think?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I loved it because you know what I loved about
it the fact that I felt like it was clear
what I was supposed to do and how I was
supposed to do it.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
It is that an example of a game for babies. No,
I don't think you need to worry about for babies,
because there's there's like a there's like a running joke
now among the gaming community that like games now. So
this might surprise you. Games from when you were a
video gamer as a child and in your younger years

(36:04):
were harder than they are now. Really, yes, and I
know that might be hard to believe. There's obviously games
that are there is like a genre of games that
are purely about difficulty and about like you are supposed
to die and fail, like roguelikes, elden Ring, Dark Souls
from software games. So Patty friend of the Pod, Patti

(36:26):
Harrison loves those games. That's where she and I differ,
like I do like a bit of handholding, and I
think you might as well. I think the perfect balance
for you is and I try to get you on
this is Zelda Breath of the Wild. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
So there's something okay, And I'm just gonna say this,
and I'm gonna it's it's just my truth.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
There's something about Zelda to me which is a shame,
which is that there's no humor in it.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I see what you're saying. I think I need things
to be a little sillier and dumber or more. Final
Fantasy is a great option. There's like a lot of
weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a
good option, which is what I've been playing in the
last seventy two hours exclusively. Dragon Quest is seven reimagined you,
I think, and I think this will this will motivate you.

(37:22):
I think Jared, our friend Jared loves the Spider Man
games Yeah, he does love the Spider Man and those
are wonderful experiences. Yeah, I think he would really love those.
Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. You really do
feel like Peter Parker or Males Morales as you swing around. Okay,
it's a wonderful time considering. And there's a great Asian villain.

(37:47):
Oh really Yeah, I'm looking for.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Something else to fill my time with as I head
on tackle the which I think we all must do,
the social media addiction and social media reliance, just having
the phone to not be a thing gotten, like the
reality that that really.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Needs to be more of my life, like got me
on this And so I'm just like I said, great cure.
It's a great cure. Take me away, take me out
of myself. What is it?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
What's the Charlie, take me out of myself. Yeah, it's
it's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it.
It's and every song is good. There's a song Goled
Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always everyway it's so good.
There's there's a wall of sound this song wall of
sound in the movie. It's like I said, the push
and pull of the strings and Margot Robbie and Jacob

(38:39):
ELORDI like, there's something about it where in the beginning
I was.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Like is this Do I like them together in this?
And then by the end I was like, yes, I
like them together in this. I think it. It's just
part of the stylization.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Again, like I did not expect myself to go in
and be like fuck yeah, but I'm leaving kind of.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Being like fuck yeah, okay, great this. Did you watch
Bad Bunny? I just, of course, of course I watched
Bad Bunny featuring as Stefania and Enrique Martine. Is that
his full first is that as like, I have like

(39:20):
no idea, He'll just be always be Ricky Martin to me.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
He's having a huge month when you count the Super
Bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice
dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky
Martin's greatest from the nineties.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So in the round of ice dance that we saw,
it was it was a nineties night, yeh. And so
it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of
waiting for tonight, not just Jlo, not like the broad
j Loo catalog, but it was like waiting for tonight.
Some of them mashed up with If You Had My Love,
but it was really staggering and you went, okay, okay,

(40:00):
here's another version of this. And then I mean I
loved UK doing a Spice Girls medley.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
They were so there were so many great choices. Again,
probably the best choice of song they would ultimately win
was the French pair doing Vogue because it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Gave you something to latch onto.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
But I will say every time you heard Oods, you
were never upset and we were living love.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, and I'm happy that Bunny brought on Oh my god,
you have to I'm still playing Worswaldo on that shot
of all the people at the at the house, still
people partying. I just I just thought it was like
what the billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous

(40:51):
explosion of love. I was like, that was Benito giving
everyone a hug. That's that's I guess what it is is.
It's like showing up now in a way that's that visible,
means like, Okay, here's your opportunity to send a message
to the world. And the fact that he, as a
person with a worldwide platform, said my message is joy,

(41:12):
my message is love, my message is togetherness. My message
is positive. My message is hope.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Like my message is not wow this Olympian that's speaking
out like in a way that is a loser, like whatever,
not to even bring out a given and because it
also fucking jokes, but bad Bunny shows up with a
worldwide platform and his messages. Hey, here's the most fun,
most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off

(41:42):
my album of the year. When here's everybody, here's a
literal party on stage. Here it is and received for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's like the tight shot of him walking through sugar Caine.
It's like it's into me. It's like it's like you're
following someone through like this like organic natural thing. It's
it's I don't know. I mean like we're already like
two weeks after the fact because we've been bouncing around

(42:14):
doing her various jobs. But like I think it's I
think it's it's truly one of the best. It's one
of the most indelible, one of the best. It was
up there for me with obviously Beyonce mm hmm, obviously
Goga and the Shakira in Jala one.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I always put respect on its name and I do
rewatch the Katy Perry one a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I actually love that Katy Perry halftime show someone. I
think I think there was a clip of it that
went around of like when she said I know a
place sing it, and then the whole stadium did sing
where the grasses are really greener. You gotta hand it
to her.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You have to hand it to her, like a whole
stadium doesn't lie. It's actually a real culture number twenty.
A whole stadium doesn't does it live?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
But you do go like Katie Harry and the current
day is tough, and this is purely, purely us retrospectively
being like that, what a what a lovely moment in
Super Bowl halftime show history, And that's and that's really it.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I mean, look, I am moving forward with arms wide
open for everyone that is in an evil fucking hag
Like that's that's that's the energy I'm moving forward with.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
And I think that's what bad Bunny would want us
to do.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I just I feel like all the little quibbles and quabbles,
like not to say that people shouldn't be like held
to account for like things that they've done, but like
I am mad at Katy Perry, like the world is
too the world is too much to hold, to hold
bad feelings in your heart against Katy Perry, I think,

(43:48):
I think, don't you think.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I just think about the nun fair? Just think about
the nun fair.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
But I'm saying the nun If the nun was really
walking in Christ, wouldn't the nuns say forgive.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Her dying breath? Katie Perry, please stop speaking of forgiveness.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
What do you think is gonna How do you think
this tyro top model documentary is going to pan out?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, the fact that we're talking about it as
much as in like you and I and like our friends.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Next week we have the highest anticipated events of the year.
For me, I cannot wait to see this shit. It
legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not
put this much pre promotion into something like this in
a long time.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Well, they don't traditionally. I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It does feel like there's been lead up to this
where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix, they kind
of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks slop, yeah, yeah,
it'll because of the way they move through their content.
But this does feel like it's being eventized and then
for her to come out and be like America's Top
Model Season twenty five, and she said, my work is

(45:07):
not done. I said, I couldn't be more interested, couldn't be.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
This was this what we were saying last time though Cycle
twenty the cycle that we were watching on VH one.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I mean we we watched the last one that was
on at all. And by the way, I never told
you this, but there was one contestant I won't say who,
but I remember watching it because we actually we recapt
it for Vulture, but I was watching it and there
was one girl who all of a sudden was just
kind of gone, like she was like she was she

(45:48):
was like maybe made it to I don't know, Top
six or something, and then she just left and it
seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her.
Four and that we covered, yes, And last year, I
walk into a coffee shop around where I used to
live in Queens and there's this girl talking to the
barista and I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from?

(46:11):
And it was her, and so I had sort of
a friendly relationship with the barista, and so I'm looking
at her and then I look at him and I
communicate with my eyes like I think I recognize her,
and the look that he shot me back was.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Don't no, don't, don't bring it up. Don't And I
was like, well, I wasn't going to, by the way,
I because once I cost you you yeah, yeah, well,
because I feel like, especially with top model like those
girls like you, don't, I would never want to get
into it with one of them because it's so clear
that it was not a healthy atmosphere like it.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
That's the entire conversation around it. Now, that's why we
have this documentary, so I would like. But I was
thinking in that moment, like it was so wild that
his reaction to me was to shake his head with
wide eyes, because clearly people were affected by their experiences,
to put it mildly adverse ways. And so now it's

(47:12):
it's to see it occupy the news again, especially at
a time when we're talking about how young women have
been subjugated and treated in trafficked across the world. I
don't know, if it were up to me, probably wouldn't
be bringing it back.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
But you know I do. We think that Tyra is
eager to return to it because she feels like there's
something redemptive. I think she wants to do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I will say that about I really do think that
she probably thinks, you know what, I hate.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
That this is the narrative around this. I too was
once a young model.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I know what it's like to be treated, you know,
in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavor
and like we can't even begin to know. And I'm
sure she doesn't want her name and something that she,
you know, brought into this world to be associated with
destroying the psychees of young women trying to work in

(48:15):
the very same industry that she made it it. I'm
certain that she feels like there's an opportunity here, and
I really don't believe and don't want to believe that
it's just about her image. Like I I hope that
she wants to restore what she broke here.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Right, because there was a time when that show was
at the forefront of reality television. I mean, yeah, you
could argue that it defined that we wouldn't have a
drag Race without top Model or yeah, because it was
because drag Race. There was a time when drag Race
was just was like very actively parodying Top Model.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Well, yeah, the entire the entire set is based on
that format.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
HM that Drew and Drag was Tira and We Out
of Drag was Tim Gunn pretty much.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Project Runway meets meets Top Model
and you get drag Race.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
You get drag Race totally. Which is to say that
like image saving like I think is part of it
for Tira, But I don't think that's like a totally
inadmirable I don't think that's like a bad thing necessarily,
Like she I don't know, I don't know, we don't
know her, so it's hard to say.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
But it's like I at this point, I would just
want to assume that with everything we know about how
dark the world is and how fucked like, at this point,
it's like you wouldn't you wouldn't consciously bring back that
television series to make things worse of like you know,
you're not gonna like line them up and be like,

(49:57):
all right, which black girl, we turn in white?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
You know what I mean? Like it's never going back there.
But I would imagine and I would hope that they
just try to do an honest depiction of what it
would be like for people to come and try and
make it in the modeling industry and not sensationalize it
for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also

(50:22):
not sanitize and go all the way out of the
way and make it.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Toxically positive because Loki, those are just not fun to watch.
So make it competitive and make it, make it edgy,
and make it relevant to what the industry is. But
let's not chop a girl's ear off because the challenge
requires it.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Sure underrated gem. I think people must watch OMG Fashion
hosted by Julia Lux with Law Roach Yep and rotating judges.
It's just your in and out and Julia put me on.
I think you put us both on it. It's like
Julio's favorite show. It's like, yeah, every episode is twenty
five minutes. You see, it's like three contestants per show.

(51:06):
It's a breeze. It's a breeze. Oh, it's just delightful
and you see people like make fashions. It's so fun,
Like it's really good.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
You want so have you been exclusively on the video
game tip or have you been watching any Bravo.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I've not watched much Bravo out. I not know you're
watching Summerhouse or you want to talk about Summerhouse.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I'm watching Summerhouse and it's hard because I love Kyle
and Aman a book I know, and I feel like
one thing I really don't like is when couples fight
in front of people and their friends, like it was
happening already. I'll never forget. Oh god, it's just like

(51:45):
it's so thick. It's really what it is is it's
just two people who and we can say this because
we've been around them, we know them. They clearly love
and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together, which
we know is happening. But it's why watching people in
real time kind of realize like the anxiety is creeping

(52:06):
up in different ways for both of them, which is like,
oh my god, this isn't working, and now I have
to decide to extricate myself from this situation and that
is so stressful.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean, should we say that, like when
we were with them before they started shooting, that things
seemed okay. They seem like they love each other. It's
just that that is different. And we also were hanging
out with them in like a heightened act and a
very cartying and camp you know what I mean. Like,

(52:40):
but then but we were with we spent time with them.
Oh yeah, no, definitely a lot of time. I was
like they It was funny.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Because like I had never really watched Summer House for years,
and so I got into it in the last couple
of years. And when people were saying like, oh, the
whole you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah blah.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Blah, I'm like, that feels like really blown out of
proportion to me because I was just like around them
and like they're they're they seem great. And then yeah,
you watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that
thing of when when the cameras are rolling and it's
let's roll on reality, you kind of have to be
real and it just feels like either they.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Grew apart or yeah, or it's just that thing of
you know, you're realizing who someone is growing into is
someone that they can they can no longer do.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Anything right in your eyes.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Like it's it's that thing of like when you're at
the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss
you and you're just like, oh, like it's the smallest thing,
and I feel like they're there and it bums it
bums me out to watch.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling, you
are performing to them, but it's it's very hard to
be dishonest, do you know what I mean? Yes? And
the thing too is like you can tell they have.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Two different responses to that, where Amanda's kind of being
like fuck it, I don't care, yeah, and like she
doesn't really care the way she comes off, and Kyle
is sort of like being a bit petulant and his
like some of his behavior, I'm like, okay, well that's
not okay, But then some of the way she talks
to him, I'm like, well, you know, we can understand.

(54:18):
They're just in a cycle where it's like you guys,
it's never it's it's unless there's.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like a two week inpatient.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Like couple's counseling, Like you're not gonna get to the
bottom of this.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
And this is just overall like a comment not again,
not a new one, but a comment on reality television
or like documentary filmmaking, just non fictional, non narrative. There's
cameras around for a long period of time, so on
traders just to just to rebut Sarah Sherman, it's like, yeah,

(54:55):
people are gonna act crazy and say you're being evil
because the cameras are rolling for like fourteen hours a day,
Like you're going to start act You're gonna start behaving
within the world of the show in a very particular way.
That's why housewives act out on these on these shows,

(55:15):
on these trips. That's why drag race girls like start
to like you know, like spin out when like things
don't go there where it's like the behave human behavior
under observation like that is is bound to like collapse.
It wears itself out in eroads so quickly, you know

(55:38):
what I mean. And I know, like we kind of
understand that culturally, but I don't think we fully realize.
Like I have to be reminded of that. If you're
watching Kyle and a Manna like sort of start to
freight the edges, I'm like and I'm like, but they
were so fun and can I'm like.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Oh right, because it's like, of course, yeah, because we're
not watching a documentation of this that's then edited for narrative.
But it's just I don't know, it's there's the whole
rest of the season and then they have the show
in the city, so I'm like wondering.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
How that develops out. But it's funny because like.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I am watching the show and I'm like, I'm falling
into the thing of like I'm like, oh, I could
be friends with all them, like I in a way
that I never really was with vander Pumper Roles.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
With vander Pumproles, I was kind of just like, Okay,
these you know, these people doing these things, these creatures,
acting like those towards each other.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
But with Summerhouse, I'm kind of like I feel like
a little parasocial towards it to the point where I'm like.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Okay, I got a vacation. I think they're it.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
And also there's like there's like it's even more voyeuristic,
like I get it now in a way that I
was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
If it isn't like, you know, middle aged women plus,
But now I do get it. But vander Pump it's like, oh,
Jack's and James and like, no, all these these I'm like,
I would never be around these people.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Whereas it's not the same with Kyle and I feel
like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to
like totally dunk on Kyle.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
No, but I'm sorry, Like I do.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time,
like talking about like you know, of course on face value,
like him being out djaying when Amanda has said for
years like I don't want you out doing that, like
I want you to prioritize being home with me, less drinking,
et cetera. But then him giving the shade that like
it's something he's had to do professionally because lover boy

(57:32):
is having a tough moment and he gets paid to
go do this stuff and it's easy money. Like that
does that does create a new shade to it. However,
by the same token, if she's asking for one thing
and she's not getting her one thing, and then you're
gonna turn her around on her and say she smokes
too much weed, it's like, dude, you can't go there.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
It's like she's living her fucking life the way she
wants to. That's different from like James Kennedy like being violent,
you know.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Oh god no, Like I would argue that Summer House
is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them
are lad people right, Like on other shows there are
full blown bad people existing. And yeah, it's funny when
you now because now.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
You see like they get one opportunity to cut someone
from some of these shows and they're like bye because
we don't want to deal with your Yeah, bullshit. But
Summerhouse is, like, I really do feel like one of
the reasons why it's a great show is because I
get wherever one is coming from in a way that
I think is more interesting to watch because you can
actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate

(58:38):
here because there are no devils. Yeah that's great. I
love man's advocate, complicated person advocate. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Well, I think it's time. I think it's time. I'm
looking down on my list. I did make a list
of topics here.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I just want to shout out just because I haven't
said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Tokyo trip, we all just we all discussed our highs
of the trip, and I just wanted to share my
high with the readers, which is that I got to
do the last ever Jaws ride in Universal Studios, Osaka,
and I'm going to post pictures from it. I haven't
posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been
so like I was, like, there's so many pictures here,

(59:18):
and also I'm trying to take the importance out of
posting about it.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it.
But I did want to share with everyone who's been
following along from the beginning that I did reconnect with
in many ways the culture that made me say culture
was for me, which was the Jaws fucking Ride, which
was done by a legend, an amazing skipper. She was,
you've you've had female skippers before, we had a female skipper.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I had never had a female skipper in my years
in Universal Orlando. So if we go to Osaka, I'm like,
oh my god, we have a female skipper. I'm like,
she's about to pull out a gun. She pulls out
a fucking gun. She did the whole thing. She was
giving acting, she was giving small acting, she was screaming, firing,
just feeling that that fire on our face to know

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they were doing the pyrotechnic effect. Still from my childhood,
going into the boat house, hearing the score, watching that
fish pop out of the water.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I mean it just gave me everything. It was so
healing and I needed it badly and it gave me
such joy. And so that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
And I have to say, if you're a fan of
this culture, it might not be over for us, because there's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Light light light light light.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Rumors that it could potentially be possible, like this is
wish fulfillment, really, but that it could come back to
Universal in Orlando because they're going to knock down that
horrible Fast and Furious Supercharged. You know that god awful
Fast and Furious ride, and Universal in Orlando.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
It's like where the bus like lines up with Yes, yes,
it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
So they're knocking it down because they're putting a Fast
and Furious rollercoaster in that's replacing the Rip Ride rocket.
So now there's that whole area that they could do
something with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
And I was watching this video the other day. I'm
back on Lexapro and on my bullshit on YouTube, which
is like watching the park construction, and they were saying
that there's a possibility they could knock it down and
recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
But I'm just going to continue to put it into
the atmosphere because of what I just experienced Universal in Japan,
Like it was so good and we all got off
of it, and it was by far our favorite thing
because it was like practical and fun and stupid and narrative,
and it had a live actor which rocked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
And the live actor, I think was the thing that
really was the binding. Yes, like it just she really
she made you go, oh, thank god that wasn't just
a screen or thank god that wasn't like yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Because that's what Universal was Like. That's what was so
cool about that theme park in contrast to all the
Disney parks back in the day, was that you had
you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted
and interfaced with you that made you feel again. The
slogan was initially ride the movies, and so it put you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
In yes, because you had a proxy exactly the actual environments,
and that was a lot of the attractions, whereas now
you know, it's different. But that was what I loved
and appreciate it about it so much and I felt
like a boy again. Oh my god, I love that.
I enjoyed it. So I wouldn't say equally as much
because it was. It just had a different emotional valence

(01:02:42):
for you. But I really I was like, oh yeah,
this is what I love about theme parks about it.
It was so fun. Okay, this is I don't think
so many This is where we take one minute to
again something in culture, not do you have something I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I'm gonna be returning to the Weathering Heights of it
all because there's an unsung part of it, and I
believe she's an unsung part of culture. And I want
to talk about this Hung Chow. It's not Hung Chow,
but Hung Chow is great in this movie. But I
feel like everyone already knows Hung Chow is great, Oscar Nominee, etcetera.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I'm gonna call out someone else who I've mentioned before. Okay,
this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so Honey's time
starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I don't think so Honey that this name is not
on the tip of tongues. Alison Oliver So she is
in this movie Wuthering Heights. She's also in Sultburn. She's
the sister Venetia in Sultburn and in this movie. In
Wuthering Heights, she plays Isabella, who's the ward of the
dude that Margot Robbie marries for wealth. She is like,

(01:03:52):
imagine like Anna Paquin, but like cracked, like she's essentially
doing clownery in this Mordy so many ways. She gets
into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Belordi, which is really
insane to watch. She barks like a dog and crawls
on the floor. She has it right behind the eyes.
She's a nut. And I love this actress. And she
was so different and incredible in Saltburn. She had that

(01:04:16):
bathtub scene in Sultburn that was so good. She's got
She eats this movie up. This is I really liked
this movie. She's my favorite thing about it seconds and
I need her cast in more things because it's really
just Emerald putting her in a lot of shit. More
and more and more of this actress, Alison Oliver.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Oh, that's one minute. I love it. I love that
Emeralds mss are Jacob and this queen and Alison Oliver. No,
she was great and sulfurd. I'm telling you her performance
is my favorite in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hasnie,
our producer says, she's really good in the show tasks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I see. I didn't even know what that is like,
and I didn't know much about her, but I saw
that she was in this, and I'm like, oh, that's
the actress that I really liked from Saltburn, And now
I think I have to adopt her. Mmm, how old
is she? How old is she? No?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
You know what, I actually know. She's twenty eight, Ali
oliver her. Let's see, she's twenty eight. She's twenty eight
and five to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
And her boyfriend is Josh O'Connor. Oh, oh my god,
how gad are you for that? And Anna says she
she was at the SNL after party.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I did corner her. Oh okay, so I'm not the
only person on this train. So it does feel like
there should be a moment to celebrate her. I can't
might even get a Cultural Award nomination.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
She might get a Culture Award. I I might have
even said hello to her as well, and I spaced
What a great couple.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
You know what, though, she looks way different in person
than she does in either of these roles, which is
another reason why I really like her, Because you look
at a red carpet photo of her and you're like,
that's not but that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Is that is, but that is well, you must adopt.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
I think I'm adopting. This person is seven years younger
than me. Okay, bon Yang, do you heaven? I don't
think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I believe so. Yes, Okay, this is boon Yang. I
don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't
think so honey. Gummies, I think we've gone too far
with them as a vessel as a delivery system. You're
a grown up. Take the pill. You can swallow a pill.

(01:06:34):
It doesn't have to come in gummies. Okay, you can
take the melatonin in a pill. You can take the
vitamin in a pill. Because this is what happens when
you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy.
It starts, it starts to taste like shit. Leave gummies alone, them, candy,
don't don't put a bunch of stuff in them. I'm

(01:06:56):
even gonna say, don't even put weed in them. Don't
even put shrooms that. Don't even put drugs in a gummy.
Because you're a grown fifteen, you have to walk through
the crucible of your choices, and you cannot infantilize yourself
by making these things that are adult consumables and putting

(01:07:20):
them in candy and in a childlike delivery system.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
And that's one minute peak behind the curtain.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
There's too many shapes. There's too many shapes, there's too
many animals. That's good for candy, it's not okay for
things that like we might need for our joints. Okay,
let's not play. Let's not play. And also it's like
grow up and swallow the pill. Swallow the pill and
guess what. Cut it in half. Cut it in half.

(01:07:47):
Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you
can hydrate more as well. And I'm sure I'm sure
that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know.
It's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Someone's gonna like send it Aaron DM be like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I have a disease where I can't swallow, so you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Guise me just please it's okay, then put it up
your butt, put it up your butt?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Kind of does I did want to just peek behind
the curtain.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
We have an episode coming out with Money Exchange next
week that we already recorded, and I do an I
don't think think so honey about something you mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Oh I spoiled?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Well, can we bleep that out, bleep it out, but
don't cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take
it was in a gummy? It was in a gummy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I don't think it would have been better if it
was in a pill in terms of my experience, but.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
At least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did
want to come out and say I had been using
blank gummy. I'm not blaming you, no, but I had
a bad experience because it didn't taste good. It didn't
feel good in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
And also another thing is when these things get hot,
they will get all gushy oushy together.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Said Gushie so many times this time, I know Gushie
really has been like gushing out of me. Gushie. Is
it the same as Gushie, Gushie, gushy Gushie? Who knows
gushi is the title of this episode? G u s h.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Y Gushie, Gushie gushish how gushi?

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
The things we didn't get to today?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Harry Styles aperture, I Love It Era Grammy's Best New
Artist goes to Olivia Dean and JFK and Carolyn America
love Story. Did you see that viral clip of his
big dong.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You were telling me about this, I You've just been
playing video games. I've been playing video games. We're gonna
find out if that's a real dong. We're gonna find out.
They want us asking the question. I think you would
like Final Fantasy ten. I can't cause I think just
you're hearing you talk about story. It's one of the
best stories in all of and we talked about it

(01:10:01):
with Monet and I kind of sat there and like,
let my sisters really rally. It's a great episode with
money exchange. It's a great episode anyway. For now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
By the way, I just want to end this by saying,
oscar for Charlie XCX for Wuthering Heights. I'm not kidding,
give her the oscar for Chains of Love.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Love that support, Okay, we in every episode with a song.
Shame to hear more of that. Listen to Wuthering Heights
by Charlie XP, Chains of Love by Bye Last Culture.

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