"More Like Read BY Jenna" (w/ Jenna Bush Hager)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, lost culture ding dong,
lost culturistas.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Calling lost culturistas in back pain. Well, this one is.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I feel so sad for my sister. You guys, he is.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And I don't mean to, you know, curry pity.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Is that curry pity? I don't mean to curry pity?
It does? It does sound like too much, yes, curry pity.
I'm just gonna.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Go ahead and identify as being in my forties. Not
that people in their forties all have back pain, but
I think I'm in an accelerated track of just of
needing light a cane and so you gotta light right now,
I gotta patch on.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Now, what can I tell the girls?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I did what's called a dumb bell good morning and
and good night and good night to all that good.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
So what is it done? Good morning? Is it one
of those things where it's like this because this is
my favorite thing my trainer does, and this is my
favorite thing anyone ever does in the gym, and you're
just supposed to do this ready. Podcasts are a visual medium.
Check us out on YouTube to say what the hell
I'm about to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
So when there's like the right here, yeah you hoist, Yeah,
you love that.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I mean I love it in theory, but like it
is like when your trainer just like whips out, Like
what did you call that? It's like a like a
like a squad squat to squat depress, squat depress. It's
the craziest ship you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, they're just showing off.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I love it. A street trainer, straight mail trainer. No,
I got to get yourself one of those gay male
gig oh Ian. I know we love Ian. Yes, check
out his SoundCloud. Hey, check out Bowen's gay trainer SoundCloud.
And remember your back probably isn't flat enough when you're
doing that back extra.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm saying this is was not under his guidance. I
did not get this. Oh this is important to say.
Disclaimer disclaimer he was Bowen was completely unattended doing in
almost every week. And that's also something that I should
be honest about.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
You are the accountability zone today. Absolutely, he's in his
mid forties, he's got back pain. But you know what
I've been doing a while whilst in bed with the
useless heating pad and these useless lyda king patches.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
That might be me. I don't think so, honey, later patches, patches.
I've been reading a lot. What am I reading? Various books?
Ursula kayle Gwin.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Do you read her? Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, hold on, my favorite thing is mess I.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well of course, well, of course you would actually gag
over Lewis, you would love gag Over.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, she's the differend friend. You know she's.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
There's some overlap there. She's great. You'll love our guests today,
you will love her. He loves books as well. She
has a whole book club. In fact, I go into
the Barnes and Noble picture of me there adrift, a drift.
I'm walking through not only one, not only two, not
only seventeen eighteen nineteen books with the Read with Jenna

(03:10):
a remark on it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It might as well be called Barnes and Read with Jenna.
No bigger name in books than and get this now
crossed over into movie stardom. She's here to promote the Devil.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
She is the star writer director of Devilwar's product. She
did it all. No really, She's got a cameo in
the movie and it made me smile. I love the
movie so much.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm so happy for all involved.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, and to top it all off, she's also one
of America's most beloved talk show hosts and television personality.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Someone who makes it effortlessly look effortlessly competent. She is competent,
makes it look effortless.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah. She's one of two people in the world in
human history who have had their grandparent and their father
the president of the United States. The other person is
her twin.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Get that, by the way, that's good, good history. I
was like, who's the person before?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Who's the other person?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
What I was wondering, have you know what.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
You both?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
That's what I was wondering.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm JQ.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Might have had children.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's actually better that we know less about the president's
I think you know what I mean, you have some
secrets to keep in the secrets.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well that was jaq A, but this is jb H.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I am so excited, so dearly everyone, please welcome our friend.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
My guys. I'm so happy to see y'all.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So happy now you're a guest on our show.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I know, I'm I love when Matt comes to my
host Joe, when he.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Is part of our show. I feel like everybody smiles a.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Little course he's my favorite things to go do.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
He's the best. We all are both the best.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You guessed it as well. You don't have to do well.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Thank you, by the way, I will never stop thinking
you for helping bring Adrian, my my high school teacher,
yes to the studio.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Of course I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
And we brought Matt's mom.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
My mom came on for her television debut. She was
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
She was really excellent, She really was.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
She was how do you hit her beats?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
She hit her bets because I have seen it up
close in my time, in my little moments there where
it's like, oh, people are just like nervous to be
on television live, like it is a really nerve wracking thing.
What are what are your little tricks to like bring
these people to like a grounded place.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I mean, I think just talking with them, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's also how you interact when you're live, which is
like you're just yourself, you know, and if you can
just be sitting in conversation with somebody and kind of
like letting them know it's all going to be okay,
usually they're like, wow, oh that wasn't so bad. You
know because they're like, you just were the exact same
when the camera was off as you were when it
was on.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And I was gonna say that that I remember one
of our one of my favorite TV appearances Bowen and
I have ever done was the when we were it
was you and I we went to go promote Fire
Island on Hoda and Jenna. Yes, and we went and
it was it was really one of the first like
big TV things like we did together. Yes, but you guys,
I'll never forget. What made it so fun and easy

(06:30):
was hearing you and Hoda come around the corner in
mid conversation, like not stopping talking, etc. And you sat
in the chair and you were like, hey, guys, what's up?
And then the conversation just kept going from there and
I was like, Wow, they really just walked in, sat
in the chairs and were the exact same And that
made us feel like we could be ourselves and it

(06:52):
really was a model of great hosting.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
What about when you sang Rockefeller Senna, You'll both were
You'll both did we did?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I didn't say you had a rap a rapper. People
know me as a rapper, I know you as a
movie star.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, you guys, I was prepared to be cut. Let's
be on.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I would imagine like that's one of those nerve wracking
things where it's like you do something that you know
is cobble, but then to still make it in.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And they kept it so that your whole name was
in it. Miranda Priestley basically, no, well it's been out
for a few weeks now, so come out Friday. No.
I know, but this is coming out.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
In a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Oh oh, you have.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
To understand that. So basically, like Miranda has people over
to Hampton Tom all fancy people and John Battis and
she goes Jenna Bush and Reality.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
I got there late because I was doing the show,
you know, and so I got there as soon as
I could, and they were like, okay.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
We need Jenna Merrill and Anne.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
And I I was like wait me Jenna, like ah,
And there was no script this part was unscripted. Yeah,
so they were like, okay, this is like here's the
director was like, here's the thing she's got in this interview.
She's going to introduce you because she's trying to like
bring her in the fold of like the media back
into the media, so you're just supposed to, like say, great.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Interviewer, good interview.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, And I was like versus Meryl Streets, you know, like,
can you imagine.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
By the way giving like the like of course she
gave the most incredible performance, but you just buy every
second of how that character has changed, not changed. You
see so many different shades of Miranda Priestley.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's just, you know, what blows my mind. And I
was reminded on this press run was that she was
supposed to retire around the time of the first movie.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Do you know that, she said? I interviewed them and
she said, for the first time, she turned down the
first movie. Yeah, and then and I couldn't believe it,
but she turned it down because she was like, they're
gonna need me for this, and they're not paying me enough.
So she asked for double what they offered her and
they and she said, yeah, they said, yes, we need you.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
You do figure though, like what makes that movie. It's
there's so many things about it that make it iconic,
but she is the center of why. I mean, she
comes on screen and you're like, that's one of film's
great characters, at least in modern history. And probably forever.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
She's so good.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
And she also said in the first one she method
acted because like the first she got there and she
was like playing around and Stanley's her friend and they
were having fun, and then she would have to be
cold and rude or whatever, and she just couldn't do it.
So she realized, like day two, She's like, I'm not
going to be able to hang out with them. And
then this time she was like, you know what, because.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I remember the bucket, because I remember when the first
movie came out. I was just on like Wikipedia and IMDb,
and like, I don't know, I think they like kind
of glossed over this fact because it is like it
is like whatever people think about method in a certain
way now. But apparently the press in the first one
was that, like you're describing, Meryl was having a little

(10:11):
too much fun. And then she goes She turns to
Anne Hathaway one day, like day two of shooting, and
she was like, this is the last compliment I will
give you for the rest of the shoe. You're an
amazing actor. I'm so excited to do this with you,
but that's it. This is the only nice thing I'm
going to say to you for the rest of the shoot.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
She would hear them like it kind of like was
a sad sort of like you know Great Gatsby, you know,
where they see the green light. That she would hear
them all like having fun together, and she'd be in
her dressing room like kind of mad because she wanted
to make sure there was like this distance between them,
which was so evident in the film. And then by

(10:51):
this time she's like she's kind of lost her footing
in the second one.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, and so and she's a little bit more grounded
as you all know. And whoever seen it.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I've seen it. Yeah, I don't think he's had the chances.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I have a physical therapist for you because I have bad,
bad back issues.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
What's do you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I'm afraid and this is personal, please, but for me
at least, was it your lower right like in here
or less?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
So sometimes it's that your ass muscle is not strong enough.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
You got you got to do those things I was
doing earlier.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
What were you doing it earlier?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah? The squats? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
No, it's this, it's here. So you have to do
what hiple know. You have to do like the clamshells,
the clam.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Shells, the hiplexer.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
No, I I like that where this is like, yes, right,
and that's.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
True issues she's saying, so so I'll send you there's.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
But also it could be that you over use your quads.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
You have you ever seen his legs?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
They're excellent.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Even John johnsona looks like a little bit compared to bone.
That's what they all said, to overuse you. But I
don't even think it's that. I think I just I
just pulled something we did.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I know, but this will help so that you don't
pull something out.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I need a pet so bad looks.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
It sounds like. And by the way, I always take
your recommendations because you know who I met through the show,
Doctor Dandy. Oh yeah, what's who's doctor doctor Dandee Engleman?
Hun about everyone at home about doctor Dandy.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Doctor Dindy's on our show. She's a dermatologist. I've seen
doctor Dandy Engelman remember what why?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
But I don't. It was the first week I was hosting,
which was ended up being a really fortuitous week because
is that the right word?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah? Sure?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know you read do you read. No. The answer
is no, a book you do? Can I say something
this narrative that I don't read mustand you push it.
I don't push it, just push it. No.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Book like wandering because.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I usually to a local bookshop that's right, or a library.
You can find me there most days of the week,
Monday through Thursday. I'm probably at my local independent books.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
We bring up Doctor Dindie, what was it? Because I
was saying that you what was fortuitous?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
What was fortuitous? Was? That ended up being an amazing
week because I think that's also the week I met
the dog Matt.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Roger, who got adopted right after.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I can still see Matt Rogers the dog because the
people that that adopted him follow me and I follow
them back of it. They post all the time. I'm
essentially on the dog's godfather.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
You follow Matt Rogers on Insta.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
They kept the name too, you DM Matt. No, I
don't well the parents, yes, because they'll be posting with him.
It's it's it's a relationship. But anyway, back to doctor Dendy. Yes,
so that was the week that I first guest hosted,
and I remember you. She came in to talk about
skincare solutions and secrets, whatever it was. She was so
nice and you guys were so warm together and that

(14:05):
you were like, you have to go to doctor. Gendy
went to her. Got my this done? What's this called?
Got my elevens a little botox?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Little?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
If I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna do you know
your dirty secret? It's not dirty. We all need it.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I'm upfront about the work.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I've had good, which has been very little.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
The nose, and I got a little in my elevens.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
That's it, you look, handsOn.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Now that the thing is minimalism, the dorms are gonna
are like, well, I'm a man, I'm a botox minimalist,
I know. And I'm like, that's so funny that you
can identify.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I'm always like I could use a little more, But
then I think everybody's so scared because we're on TV
that all of a sudden I couldn't move my face.
And my daughter the other day was like.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Mom, you know you could probably use a little botox,
And I'm like, I get both. Yeah, I know, man,
she really does. If you feel like you're like too
big for your breitches get a thirteen year old to
hang out with you for She's like in your hair highlights,
like I can see your.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Grace and I and by the way, really I do.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
By the way, I do like change accordingly, Like I
made an appointment and I just interviewed you, Rueen, and
I did her introduction and I read her the introduction
and she goes too much about you, mom, And then
I was like, come on, Mila woke up at four
in the morning and I was.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Like, it's too much.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
She's right, She's I'm going to insore. I'm going she's right.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
It's four in the morning. I'm like, I'm going to
go rewrite this introduction at four am.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
You think she actually was right or do you think
she just right? No?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think she was right.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
And I also think that thought of, you know, being
humble and not making everything about ourselves, like coming from
a thirteen year old. I was like, you know what,
if she says that at all, then I'm going to
go in there and.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Fix it totally. Are you as critical with her writing?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
See, this is I wish you could just skip the
teen years. The reason I'm not a parent is because
I got to sit through that.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I know, well, there's the horrible part in the beginning
to where they're where they're just little, you know, dreaming,
the horrible part where I guess their babies, Oh horrible,
just screaming. You never know what it is. You know,
our friend just had a baby, Sudi.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Don't you like like who? For some reason I thought
it was Dave, But Dave just got engaged.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Just go and you don't call him Dave, you call
him what.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
The tomato guy, the tomato guy. He loves he would
love that.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, he loves it. Dave.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I call him Dave Coma, the tomato guy.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Come of the tomato guys. We had to do this one.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
And in fact, I saw y'all's mutual friend and I'm like,
Dave got engaged.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know Eddie's Grocery, Eddie's I'm like, can.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
You believe Dave got engaged? This is what Matt is
done to our show. He's just infused his every little
part of it.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I bring the l c U too, Yes, sitting with
that's right. Could you ever believe? Could you ever believe?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Did you ever believe that you would have this impact
on today, his his his family big time?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I know, it is so fun.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I mean, and it's still gonna happen. That's like I
just went at time like is mad available? You could
sit next to a tree and have chemistry.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Literally, he already does.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I'm stumping right now because of your back.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm stiff like a tree.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
She stumped.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
She stomped.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Wait what were we just hanging though before we got
onto that doctor? Oh well yeah, you just you you're
a great connector of people.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh thank you?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
How is what was what was interviewing king? Or was
it just the queen?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
What the hell was that?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I was nervous.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, and we're calling her a queen?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
She is.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
As hell? I thought she was the Queen Consort. I
don't know what the more of what the word concert?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Was it all?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, I'm not sure either, but it is. But now
she's the queen. She loves books.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
So we were at the New York Public Library, but
and a wind tour was there, Sarah Jessica Parker. It
was all these sort of people that loved to read,
and then these authors whom I admire. So I was nervous,
you know, and I'm not really used to being nervous,
but I kind of like it, Like I kind of
like to continue to push myself to feel that because otherwise,

(18:23):
I mean, I've been at NBC for sixteen years, right,
so sometimes you can get complacent and be like, what
is what feels fresh, what feels new?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And so that's sort of like how it felt.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Can I say I went back into the building for
the first time last week?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
How was it fine? And also a little weird. And
what you're saying is something that I I guess I'm
gonna say I took for granted, like you would just
run into different kinds of people all the time, not
even like yeah, not even not even like high profile
quot unquote people who woul come in. I'm just saying,
like everyone, like just the cruise and everything. Yeah, all
the staffs and the like. I love that it's an

(19:00):
office building, I know. I love the SNL offices were
like or the studio was next to the Seth Meyers office.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
It was next to the gym, which I work out
in every morning.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I never did it once and every.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Monday that there's a live show, I'm like, it's kind
of gross. But there's like I'm like, they've used this bathroom.
I'm not sure for what, but like, yeah, I take
a shower, and like things are you know, all over
the place.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I'm like, who's been in here?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Who's described I don't know the shower area.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Shower area has been used, wawls are all gone, you know,
and it's like, did they not use the showers?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't think it's not the SNL folks don't really
use it. I think it's mostly people from downstairs who
come up.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Okay, wait, have you eaten at the Luke's Lobster?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I didn't know they I said they let everything down here?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I know.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Do they have everything in the concourse, especially real culture
number eight? I have everything in the cor.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The role of culture number fourteen. You don't want lobster
on a Monday though. You know you're not going to
get a lobster roll because you've had a long weekend.
You want a lobster roll to start a week start.
You can't start with Saturday. You know, like where you
feel free?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah? Yeah, well you feel free? Wait?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wait you know what I you know what the concourse
doesn't have. And I don't know how you feel about this,
but every day I've been begging for the hale and
Hardy soup to come back?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Get it?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
What happened to that Hale and Hardy? It just disappeared
out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
There's there's like one on like thirty fourth and lexing, Like,
who's going on?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, the sheer amount of options for soup they would give.
I've never seen anything like it. No, And you have
to understand I'm a huge soup me too.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I love soup so much.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I actually used to have the soup from Juice Press,
which is strange, and it's it's out of season.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
They stop it in the summer months.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's not because of great ingredients.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, I think because it's you know, people don't want
something hot when it's warm out.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I disagree entirely and anyone that's out there like it's
too hot for soup. No, you just haven't thought of
what soup to get exactly. You don't have like beef barley.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
A little mint, a little minty kind of pea soup
sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Now you're talking too crazy for me? Are you a
spot show queen?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I like, I'll have it once a summer and I'm like,
because it's too it's too.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I know you made soup.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
It's see, my mom never cooked. I don't know about
your your parents, but my mother did not.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Cook, so we would she would get that.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Bean with bacon was like Cambell's, which was like basically
your sodium intake for the year and open it up.
But like that with like those saltine crackers with the
covered in a little cheese melted in the toaster oven.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Oh I loved it.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
I mean that was it good for me? And and
probably not be with bacon? Probably not, but was it delicious?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Sure? Would you feed the kids now being with bacon?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I'm not sure that they still make bean with bacon.
But beans are one of my favorite food groups.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Beans.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I grew up in Texas, Texas. Beans are beans are texting,
and they're good.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
They're protein, Yeah, veggie protein.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know what always chased me away from beans?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Poem?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah? The poem?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
The poem beans means they're good for your heart. The
more you eat, the more you fart. I just don't
like it. It's not it's uncouth. It's untoward.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
This poem.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh God, I didn't know you guys.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Beans magical fruits. The more you eat, the more you toot,
the more you find the more you toot, the better
you feel to eat those beans at every meat Oh
my god?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Where is is this from the bean council?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Who made that?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
We don't know, but we learned it in like third grade.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Same. Oh, I love so frequent tooting. I don't feel good,
like the more you toot, the better you feel. I
don't think that's about Look and smell, like, why it's happening?
Will it stops all these beans?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean, how did I get y'all here? I'm not sure?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
But oh oh just come along, yeah, just sit down here.
We've invoked the name of Texas, yes, the name. We
have our guests.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Here, and it's a thrill to be able to ask
you the central question of our podcast. Baby ah, yes, Jenna,
what was the culture that made you say culture was
for you? Okay?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
It was nineteen eighty eight. It was the combination of
two things. It was Anne m. Martin's The Babysitters Club.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh wow, reading that logan versus Marianne, which was kind
of like as romantic as you could get, you know,
back in the eighties, and they were like, I was like, oh,
maybe I'm not just like a chubby little kid from Texas.
Maybe there is romance and entrepreneurship and a girl gang
waiting for me. Entrepreneurship waiting for me, like in my

(23:48):
you know, friend's backyard. And we actually made a babysitters.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Club, did you How did it go? Well?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Not great because we didn't have access to a phone.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's a huge part.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
And we were all so babies.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, baby's babysitting, Baby, I did, I babysat, but like
the whole club didn't really get in, you know, totally,
And why did we need a.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Treasure you know? Like what was a treasurer for? I
mean I loved Claudia, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
But then it's that coupled with the same year, Paula
Abdul's album Straight Up, but particularly the video for opposite
of track with Scat the Cat DJ Scat, the Cat
Damn scene with Praya, It's Scot Cat.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
It's definitely Scott Cat. I loved cats.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I had a Cat's And also that what's the one
that's like, oh, straight up?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now tell me you just having fun?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I don't know that album.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Which was a tape for me cassette tape, coupled with
reading the be Sitters.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Club said it's time to empower.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I was like, you know what, let's go, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Grow up, Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
You had a pop star, a cartoon cat, and these
little girls running a business, right, and that's that's.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Who you are.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
I was like, I am going, I'm going to take
my cats with me wherever I go, and I have.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
You are ready to enterprise?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Mango and Mazie shout out.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Two cats, two cats? Are you worried that they one
time are going to do what a lot of the
cats are doing on reels? Suddenly I've been.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
No, No, those cats are a I are you worried
what the cats are going to do?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
It's like this. It's this footage from like night vision
cameras where someone is sleeping and they have two cats
and the two cats start to like get into it,
and next thing you know, they're flying all around the room.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
See I see AI cats and my my I have
a different AI cats.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
The ones that are like do like the dives off
the diving board. We know we're that's no, I'm not
worried that they're going to do that. I'm not worried
about that.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Here's my AI is now all Donald Trump doing a
stank walk down during Bard up to the song One
Step at a Time by Jordan Sparks. I don't know
how it happens.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Well, that's a very specific algorithm.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Literally just him walking in. It's Ai Trump walking in
heels in hot pink shorts.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
To you.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because she's polluting her algorithm, because it's so oblique, because
now it's polluting all of ours, because our phones are listening,
and she's she's with him constantly, of course, and I also,
and whenever I get it, I send it.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I send it to people.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I become that person that sends real.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Memes, sending memes to people.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Are you getting the kids memes? No?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well they're not on their phones. No, they don't have
Thank God for you.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I'm holding out, but don't you feel me close? I
signed way till late. So Mela's close. She's thirteen, she's
the last one. Poppies, No, Poppies's the oldest.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Okay, So do you are you when you're referencing the
time of when you found Paula Abdul?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Is that around where Mela is now?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
No? I think I was.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
No, I was younger. I was like seven or eight, ten,
nine ten, that type of who's her Paula. Mila's Paula
is Olivia Rodrigo. She loves Olivia Rodrigo. It's her number one.
I mean, she loves Sabrina. We went to the eras
to her.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
She loves loves Taylor, she loves Gracie Abrams. We went
to that. You know, she loves her. But for whatever reason,
Olivia Rodrigo is her gold love it standard.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think it's because she very much is the one.
I think Olivia is the one rising.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
She stands out, she's doing something, She's in her own lane.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
She has some music that's like a little bit ragier,
which I think teens want, yeah, because they feel that
sort of angst and they want to you know. We like,
I was like Nirvana, you know, which is not a
I'm like we were kind of like. I went to
Countered Pearl jam and I looked up in my tiny
little sister, who's still really little, was like crowdsurfing and

(28:18):
I was like, oh no, and she has back problems.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I'm like, you know what, you have back problems? They
dropped you in that crowd surfing. But I think teens
want like an outlet for some of that ship.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. Yeah, and she provides that I do think that
what Billie Eilish does a little bit more esoteric. Yes,
it's a little bit more like emotional and like a
in a way that she's cerebral, whereas Olivia is speaking
directly to these emotions in the same way that Taylor did. Yes,
and I think it's it is a generational thing to me.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It's about like the the the depth in terms of
like Billy doing something like subconscious. It's tapping into something
like like I love that she's still us with like
sleep and like all this stuff. Yes, with Oliviate's like
this is right on, like right on, like my sleeve.
It's it's you. You get it you. I feel like
it's very legible to someone like thirteen years old. Yes,

(29:14):
well wait, wait, wait, hold on, Paula. Was that the
same album as Cold Hearted Snake or no?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yes, yes, it's Cold Snake. No Oh he's plays Oh.
I mean, by the way, how do we know every
word to that song that we haven't heard him?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
It's in here because you know why. The cassette is
like giving you a sense of place and time. Yes,
and you're reading Babysitters Club in your room. I'm sure
so vivid. Yes, Like now like everything's served up to
me in a way, and I'm sure it's a function
of age, like you know, neuroplasticity, imprinting. But I'm like, oh,
I don't, this doesn't I'm not going to remember like
the discovery of this new artist in the same way

(29:57):
I discover I remember where I was when I discovered
drive license. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I told him Mom, I was like, have you heard
of Olivia Rodrigo. He's like no. I was like, well
you might be hearing about it, hey, But on point
of order, it feels like nothing is what it says
it is anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Point of answer, it's because everything has a.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Catch, hey, or it turns out to be something else entirely.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Like a total catfish situation exactly except for hotels dot com. Yeah,
that one's pretty literal because it's hotels dot com. It's
in the domain. You go there, you book hotels, hundreds
of thousands of them, and hold up.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And when stays are booked as a member, rewards are
earned every time, every stay, every stay, no tracking or managing,
just rewards that can be used like cash on future booking.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Which, by the way, already feels nicer than most rewards programs.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Okay, yeah, members can also get up to twenty percent
off booking, so savings start right away.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Does that mean no weird restrictions.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
And no blackout dates? Book what works? When it works,
it's actually really fitting of real travel.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
So the name is honest you're saying, and the awards are.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Too exactly hotels dot com. It's all in the name.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
You know what my favorite Paul ab song is is
only a little ironic. Her ballad Rush Rush, Oh yeah,
that's never forget the bridge when she belt it for
the first and only time, So deep, so deep.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
But that's not I don't think that's I think that's
her first one, right, that's not the same album.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, See this is where she was then trying to
prove she could sing right right right, because she did
she did. Yeah yeah, yeah. Did you hear them? You
hear the mic? Go far away? Yes?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
How many cabinet positions were there in your babysitters Club?
Were you treasure was that what you were saying?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
I think I was. I can't remember if I was
treasurer or vice president, which is also a job.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
You would trust me, thankless job.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
I was like, guys, should we try to go around
door to door?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
What should we do here?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Were there four of you?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
It was my sister, our next door neighbor, Robin Oxford.
Robin my mom didn't allow. She allowed being with Bacon,
but she didn't have sweets in the house. So we
would climb through Robin Oxford's window and steal her.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Twinkies and such. Yeah, it was and then it was
a boy and yeah, two boys, brothers, and we actually
painted their little back house. We sponge painted it. How
eighties was that?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Sponge Paty? Sorry, they were babysitters in the club.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
They were part of our club. I don't know that
they actually boys.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Babysat young gay boys in the neighbor. You don't know
that they babysat.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Well, it was a club. I'm not sure they actually babysat.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I did you did?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
But were there four positions?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
President?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Robin, my sister Barbara. Did I mention her? I hope so?
Me and then Sissy Sissy?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
There were five of us secretary treasurer, vice president, president, and.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Probably surgeon her Arms pere j r surgeon in arms.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Surgeon in arms does neither something.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Because in the Babysitters Club there were four of them, right, yes,
And I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like this right Stacy, Claudia, Christy, Mary Anne.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I know there were more than four, wasn't there?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
And Don and Don?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Because Don moved from California? Did you ever read a couple?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Because so my contramand growing up as a little closet
and boy was just sneaking into my sister's room and
stealing her books.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
And did you read Judy Bloom?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I didn't read Judy Bloom, but you know, you know
what the big standout like thing that I had under
my bed was was Sister of the Traveling Pants.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I was like, I can't have anyone find. I can't
have her find. My parents would see him be like
that's weird, but she would immediately like, you're gay. You're
reading a girl's book.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
God, like, isn't that I love? Like a book that
you're not supposed to read? You know?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
And honestly, even when when Judy Bloom gave me are
you there? God, it's me Mark, which is Mela's real name.
I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to give that
to Mila. And she said, you can't give that to Mila.
You can't give it to Mila. She doesn't want a
recommendation from her mother. Kind it somewhere and let her
find it. And I think it's so right, Like kids

(34:14):
need to be empowered to find their own sort of way.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Like nobody gave you that book.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
You discovered it, and there's something really empowering about that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Well, then you are in you are in the business
of telling people what to read. Johnah Bushager, what's that about?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
That's heaven?

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yes, yes, it really is, and I love it so much.
And our mission is really to highlight newer voices. It's
really hard. I mean, y'all are writing a book. It's
really hard to be published. It's really hard to be seen.
Not all authors historically have been published, you know, And
so I think representation really matters and finding authors who

(34:51):
are just starting their way. Yeah, but it's such I
think it's such a lesson and like, if you love
something organically, you can kind of make it.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Part of your work. Like y'all are doing this.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
You're sitting around with your best friends having conversations like
done that feel like heaven.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Feels so nice.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, it really is. It's like I think we take
it for granted too, as like a thing that's given
us so much and we able to do. I do
think though, that what is what you're able to tell
from Read with Jenna and maybe people can tell from this,
is that we genuinely enjoy doing it. I always feel
like I think Amy Poehler said like if you're having fun, yeah,
they'll have fun. Yeah, something so like key to remember.

(35:30):
And I really what I love about Read with Jenna.
And I asked you this when I was co hosting
with you, because I've been there a few times when
you've debuted your pick and just how strenuously and how
much you really do care to make that selection. You
don't just read one and think oh this will do.
Like you read a lot and then I mean.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
I'm reading all the time. But that also is such
a gift, you know, to get to do.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
That, but it's very time consumed. It is like you're
already a really busy person.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I mean I read all the time, but like, also
how fun is that? You know?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
And there's I mean I can listen to books and
speechifies this app that I'm obsessed with. It's really helpful,
Like if you have to read something quickly, you can
speechify that, do you.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I For some reason, I'm so I'm so weirdly picked
with what makes it to the audio book stage because
it feels like something that's like easily absorbed, like dense
fiction can beat it For me, I don't know, Well.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I have to be able to see it and listen
at the same time. But like, yeah, I rarely just
listen to audiobook because it's I mean, this is also
like such a lucky thing. But I start to get
sleepy because my parents read to me before bed when
I was little, So even like if I'm driving or
something like hell no, because I kind of want to
just like that's it totally, so I have to be

(36:48):
able to read it at the same time.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Of course, I find that the way audiobooks are performed
really matters.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Well.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
I mean when we think about like Tom Lake, which
our queen and Patchet wrote, but Meryl Street read it
exactly that. To me, it's like, if you can have
those moments or you Lena Dunnan was on the show.
I'd love to listen to her read her own shit.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
We do it in the car Melissa and I, and
it's so it's her. She's just a funny person telling
her own story. Like Mariah Carey. We always say we
did a One of the only book clubs we ever
did on this was we we did Mariah. For the
meaning of Mariah Carey and just the way that she

(37:29):
informs the stories with her voice. It made me feel
like this is a whole other dimension. And I said
to them on the other day, like for our book,
I'm so excited to read it. Give it that dimension
because in a way, it's a whole other project.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's like the performing of it and the storytelling of it,
which is gone, you know, like that's the original art form.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Wait, this new one I want to read Caller Unknown.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, Color Unknown?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Is this the first thriller in a watch.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
It's the first thriller I've I've only chosen two thrillers before.
One is called All the Colors of the Dark, which
is so good and I wish I'd brought you books.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
It's like if it's like if Room, which maybe you've read,
and to Kill a mocking Bird because it's about like
this friendship and a small town, but it's also this
kind of thriller.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's so so good.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I rarely choose thrillers or mysteries come but I don't know.
I love them, but I do feel they become slightly formalaic.
I like I can kind of be a detective and
I'm like, wait, this is I you know, I know
where this is headed. So I think things that feel.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Fresh and interesting or have another dimension to it, I'm into.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, are you like that with everything?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Kind of yeah, the stuff that you can get ahead
of your like.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
It's sort of and I kind of I'm like I
paid too much attention to you know, like they're like
Chanelle will be like, how did you know that they
were going.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
To surprise us with that person? And once you know,
you know, my ears were open. It's kind of like
when you're.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
A huge out of reality TV. Yeah, like you realize that, like,
for example, Survivor, Yes, this season is Survivor fifty and
so it's like a huge season that a lot of
people are watching and a lot of like if you're
a fan of the show, you'll probably go on your
YouTube landing page and then there's like a whole bunch
of people that talk about it and they're like, Oh,

(39:19):
this person's gonna win. They're getting the winners at it,
and you're like, oh god, the winners edit. Once you
see it, you can't see it, and it's like in
a movie. Now, it's like once you see something mentioned,
you know it's gonna Those are just the rules. So
it's like the other side of being a huge fan
of something is that you then become someone who's ahead
of it without wanting to be. I love it so

(39:40):
much that you know the formula. So sometimes you have
to ask yourself, am I just someone who's very learned
about this thing? Or is this not so?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Like?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Am I the problem exactly?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
But the way he does I love it, I don't.
I'm not as I'm not as expansive in the way
that Matt is. I feel mad.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Do you have those third show I love I.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Love My Survivor, I Love My Love Howives.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yes, that's basically the Housewives across the board pretty much.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
We love Traders, we love Traders.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, and uh, that's basically it.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I'm kind of like, I'll watch I'll try and you
know what, I watched the Age of Attraction on Netflix.
What's that no one knew how old anyone was and
then they they all met up and that they did
a reveal.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Did that work?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
No, it's a little upset. It's a little upset.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
So it is. And who really gives a ship?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Do you know what I mean? You think? Because I
was like, I don't care, Like yeah, yeah, but here's
the thing like that. That's I think the point is
it's like you're like, oh, yeah, who cares? And then
the family comes in and this is revealed and that's
and then this thing about because it's it is an
interesting depiction of the way you perform on a date

(40:56):
about like because I don't know how y'all felt or
you felt when you were dating, or like how you
how like we feel now, But it's kind of like,
in the initial stages of dating, you definitely are, whether
you want to or not, you are performing. You're saying
things are permissible that actually they're not. And it's just

(41:17):
funny to watch in a truncated, you know, reality television program,
just how quickly, oh that thing you said wasn't a
big deal ended up being a big deal. That thing
you said about yourself ended up not being true. And
I appreciated this big thing of age being like, of
course it's just a number. Yeah, and then seeing people's
like real thoughts, insecurities, insights about that actually ended up

(41:41):
being kind of interesting as a social experience.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yes, I mean it's true. The beginning is so performative.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
You're like.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Nine, what you order, Like, think about what you order
a dinner. It's so different than what you would order
twenty years in. You're like, I'm not going to eat
the spaghetti.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Now you're like, pass me the spaghetti. You know, it's
like crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I think it's a baller move when someone on a
date is like I'm gonna have pork chop soup. I'm
getting soup. Yeah, I'm gonna side.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Because I didn't want to get the lettuce in my.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Bad.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
If you can't sit there and watch me slurp, we
have no business continuing. Do you remember what you how about?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Matt can find his camera anywhere.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Matt could be like perfect Mac could be like in
like four rooms away and he'd find that.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Do you see me? Do you catch me finding the camera? Well?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Hell yeah? And sometimes you say where's my camera? Were
you the type of little kid that when you would
go out to dinner or be in an elevator, you'd
look in the mirror.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Me too, can't you see baby?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
My mom says that. So when she when I was little,
she would cut hair in the house, and of course
like she had like a little little room for salon,
and so I'd go in the room and talk to
her clients that were in the chair.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
But just you can't you see it?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Can I say something? Yes, we're on zoom a lot recently.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Stop it. This is so mean.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
And he's just well just just just just when he
just the first log on, he doesn't do it the
whole time.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Which the first one is.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
He was like, Hi, Hi, Hi everybody.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Hey guys, like kind of primping, primping on zoom, you
know that old check.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Everyone does everything, everybody. She's a little adjustment. This is
a little maybe I need to smile a little bit more.
We all do it here.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
We all do it, but some of us like it
more than others.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Red Red with Jenna.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Jenna love that about you. You remind me of like
a little Disney print. He does. I was like, I
was like, I feel like I've told him that before.
Which is weird, but.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You do say it maybe twice a month. That's so
I love it.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
It's true you're handsome, but and you're like.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Oh my god, goofy, goofy, foofy the hell out.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, I don't want to leave. No.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
First of all, that was not where I was going.
I just mean like, no, stop, stop, we love you,
thank you guys. Well, so listen, I do have a
question for you, which is like, sometimes I'm there and
like it's such a natural thing at the show to
be like, oh okay and coming up next to this person,
how often are you gagged? How often are you like

(44:42):
oh oh no? And then are you really grateful to
have someone to do next to you?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Like freaking out because the person is there? Yeah, I
mean we had Goldie Han today. Wow, that's amazing, and
it's amazing. But I will say most of the time,
everybody is super kind, do you know, And so it
sort of lives up to your But I'm definitely a
team like I want a teammate, you know, I would
not want a solo show because I like to be

(45:08):
part of I like to play off somebody, I like
to laugh with somebody before the show, even starts. I
like having somebody to like. I mean, you know, Hoda.
I loved Hodas so much. I still love Hoda. I
see her all the time. I took to her all
the time. It feels really good to be in community,
you know, Like, I don't want to be solo by
myself because then I really would there be pressure there, because.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
That feels like a date where you're a first date
where you're performing yeah, something about yourself where you're like,
I would I want the spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yes, you're getting.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Greaghetti, spaghetti, and you can eat spaghetti when somebody like
Hoda is next to you, right, yeah, And if you're
solow it would feel it.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Does feel a little bit harder to eat spaghetti when
you're solo, because then you're like, oh, god, like, but.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Who was the week where you like we had Kelly? Wait? No,
was it?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Well, I've been lucking out a lot. I had Kelly Clarkson.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, Clarkson, and there was somebody else that we were
we were like bagged.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, was it Reese? Yeahese on the show and then
Reese came in and I was like, oh my god,
I get to hang out least twice.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yes, And the real house was of Rhode Island gage.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
We actually changed the date of that so that Matt
could be there. Oh my god, y'all love him, we do.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I needed his expertise.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Did you end up going to Coachella with that woman?
I didn't see her in any of your.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Picture Chelsea Swanson. We went to no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I just there's something about the way you phrase things
that is, so did.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
You go I end up going to Coachella with that woman? No,
it's you order spaghetti.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I didn't see her in your photos.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
We were in photos with her photos. Okay, it's fine,
we posted a couple, but like, the thing was, like,
you know, I also didn't want to. Like, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I know.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I was sensitive to them, and I was actually telling
them this because they came in the Rhode Island and
then they said.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
There was more than just there was more than her.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
No, I'm talking about in the moment of interviewing them
on the show, we walked over and literally I think
it was Alicia was just like, I mean, this is crazy,
this is said guy, any bigger than this, this is wild.
I can't believe you guys do this all day, but
this is crazy. This is absolutely insane. I can't believe.
We were like, we're nervous. What cameras do? Where do we?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Matt's like, that's your camera right there, and I know
that one's fine, don't take that one.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
That's but anyway, Like I was just like kind of
telling them in so many words, I was nervous for
them because I was like, I know how intense it's
gonna get.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
And they were nervous too.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
They were there's some sort of divide, and so that's
why I wasn't like she she was. I knew she
was coming to Coachella, but I didn't know how she'd
react to because I don't think you know how you're.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Going to react and people know who she was not there.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I think a couple of people came up and were like,
are you Kelsey from Rurala.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
But it was like the first weekend, it wasn't. It
didn't really like stick at that point. Now, I feel
like she's very much a protagonist of the show.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
When you're walking around with Bow and Yang, they tend
to catch him first.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I felt like I was pretty incognito.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Because it's not the fun to be like well, and
also those music fests, like you're right, people are looking yeah, yeah,
did y'all have fun so much?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
We always have fun. I will say this, we were
a little salty because we went the first weekend and
then the second weekend it was like Madonna came out,
I know, Olivia, Billie Eilish was there.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
You had oh oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Billie Eilish came out with Beabes the second weekend too.
I thought, why was that all the great stuff in
the second weekend. I thought the first weekend was supposed
to be the big one.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think they're flipping it this year. I think the
first weekend is now more the creator's influencer the time,
and maybe people I want to avoid that. I don't know.
There's a whole bunch of reads.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It seems like the artists are not shy about saying
Weekend one has a reputation for being not good because
it is a lot of Like what I was clocking
was that they they were feeling like the audience wasn't
into it. Yeah, And I think it's because the first
weekend is a lot of influencers, like the filming, the buzz.

(49:26):
I've heard amongst like what the artists say is that
weekend one doesn't feel as good this weekend two.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Okay, Well next year, y'all better books weekend.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
That's what we're going to try. But also it's like
with us, I.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Would come with y'all.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Really, I mean I'm a little scared of like where
you use the bag, Like I just like, lie, did
you get home super super late?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I would say, like like a sensible twelve thirty.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Oh, that's not bad, it's not bad.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Adam Scott was on our show, you know, Severance, and
he was saying that he couldn't get home till like
five in the morning.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Is he there? He went with his daughter. He said
it was coohela.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
You know, it's just it's it's very it's very sort
of arcane, esoteric the first time you figure out how
to leave and then once you know, so I need to.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Go with y'all because y'all have your roots down.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah exactly what. But Jenna, you know you're a tease.
Your tea's because you say you want to come to
the Culture Awards.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Well, I don't think I'm nominated this year.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Well, I don't know after three years of promising attendance.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I don't think I'm not.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
I watched all the awards this weekend, and I'm pretty
sure I'm not nominating.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Okay, so first of all, there's another half of the
nomination recording missive to come out, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I don't know if it's the kind of thing where
if you show up, you might go home with something's
not your year.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
He just told me it's not my ears.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
See, this is the.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Lucci but also she was nominated. I wanted to team tries. Sorry,
who's getting the Today's Show Award for Excellence?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's a category you told me that.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Was an iconic one, like the Alison Williams Cool Girld Award.
But the Today Show Morning Excellence isn't there.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I guess it's been won by the Best Look.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
We're well, I guess I can't make it.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I did love that about Devil Worst Product too, though,
I was, you know, oh, I know, I was. It
was a very realistic portrayal. I felt of what would
happen to those characters, where they would be not then
this is beyond just Miranda, but also the industry and
the vibe, even the end the way it ends is
sort of a happy ending for them, but it's it's

(51:45):
kind of bleak in the way that if you really
think about.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It, I know, you know, yeah, I mean there's it
would feel so dishonest if it was still the glitzy
sort of like I know.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Well, and that's she said this, and it's so true.
She said that they wanted to do a sequel like
nine years or like it was like three years and
then nine years, and it never felt like the right timing,
and that this part of it that obviously, you know,
magazines and publishing are having a really hard time, but
also journalists are needed more than ever to hold the
powerful accountable. So all of that made it really interesting

(52:22):
to dig into it, not just like oh, here's another sequel.
And I actually think that's what really worked about the film.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
It felt very motivated. It didn't feel like, oh, we're
making this sequel just to have a devil worst product too,
even if that was the initial idea. Yeah, because I'm
sure I'm certain that they were just like, oh, dollar science, like,
let's do it.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
But they also said that they, like the actors, wanted
to see the script to make sure that there was Yeah,
because you don't like, you know, what is worse than
doing a movie that, like, you know, everybody's been anticipating
just for the money, is like everybody hates.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
It, I know.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And that's more often than not. Yeah, which, thank god
it's not one of those cases.

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Speaker 4 (54:35):
I'm not an actor to be like I mean, I've
done I'm only ever played myself. But sometimes when there.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Are the lines, it's worse.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
We're like to We're not actors. I'm too worried about
getting the line right.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
It's easier for you moments on camera.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Also, probably they didn't want to give us lines and
know it was all going to be cut, you know,
right right.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I will say my favorite look in the entire movie
was what Anne War of the Hampton.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Oh that I loved that that kind of patch work.
That is very and you know what, it was kind
of a quilt. Melissa my styl is always putting quilt. Yeah,
you love a quilted a shocket. You love a shocket.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
What's the shirt.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Shirt, shirt shirt, a shirt in a acket or a
shirt jacket.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah. She was wearing like a like a like hatch
work patchwork quilt dress. And what I was a little
bit I don't think so, honey for me was in
the movie She's like looking at things to wear and
she sees this dress and we don't see it as
the audience yet, but Stanley Tucci is like, no, that's
inappropriate for this event. You're not wearing that. No, and
if it gets to stand on it now and then

(55:43):
she's like, I want it, and he's like, it's not
appropriate for this event. And then she puts it on
and gets on the bus and goes out to and
I'm like, she looks the sheikhets there.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
I know, well it wasn't right for I did say, like,
because I was like, what about styling. You know, it's
like the the costume is probably more important than anything.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Hampton's easy casual shit.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
That's what they said, do not dress up like And
if you notice, even Meryl was wearing like a button
down shirt, and.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I loved everything about her aesthetic. And one of my
favorite scenes in the whole movie was her a little
bit wine drunk in the kitchen. Yes, she gets like
a little wind and she's just the way that Meryl
was playing Miranda Priestley's joy. I know, I was like,
that's such an interesting because you see.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
It, because you don't see it very much.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
But it did get me thinking about, like, yeah, that
is the way that that woman would feel joy, the
way she like she sort of says something to Anna,
pours herself a big and like floats out of her
kitchen and her like mantello shirt and I'm like, damn,
she was just.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
In like a button down and like they said, to
keep it. You know, did you notice how many ties
there were in the film?

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Ties are back, are back.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
You look very handsome, thank you. I wore a tie
in the third grade, and I made my cat a
matching tie. I don't say I'm not talented.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Your own little staff cat, my little.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
And he wore a little tight and I had the
matching tie. And I even and I will try to.
I will show you this photo when we're done. Hat
went to the White House in a mustard yellow shirt
and the limited to a tie and a squirt a
matching squirt to the tie, which was just really a

(57:35):
look with mustard. John Quincy Adams were.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Which presidents were gay?

Speaker 4 (57:45):
And what?

Speaker 1 (57:45):
What? What do? What do people that are in the know,
I don't know. Do you know?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Well, because of oh Mary Mary in the Abraham book
in the in.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
The his roommate, you know, in Illinois or some stuffy Yeah,
but a probably all bottom. Yeah, well Marphin's Martin syndrome.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
No, that would be well, that would be the opposite.
Marphins makes you small.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
No, Marpins makes you long. Really yeah, Abe had it
for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
You know, Abe had Marphins made him so long?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
How tall do you think a boy six eight? Anybody google?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Wait? Didn't we see? We went to the Brooks brothers
and they had all they created a blinking how tall
was he tall?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
The Brooks brothers.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Had been like six two, which at the time was
like that tall guy time husband a six four, So
at the time that was like seven feet tall.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Okay the average Yeah, six was the average Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
So you're talking about the President of the United States
being almost a foot taller than everyone else.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Interesting, and the gay guy, I know, I don't I
remember Henry being that he's tall.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Was that the first thing you noticed?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I like it?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, you like a tree. You had to climb a tree.
I know, you Ti.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Chris, change your hours so you can swing a little, you.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Guys, even if I changed my hours, I'm too tired
to swing.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
I mean, honestly, I have reading to do. And also
I like.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
I mean, I'm not going to go there. But then
the people that I would have to choose to swing.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
With, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Was like your neighbors in Connecticut. No, thank you, No,
thank you? Come on, you're so fun about No. Like, honestly,
I'll never forget the day we first met you.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You hadn't met them before my no, no, because it
was Hodah and Maria Shriver. We hadn't met Jenna.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Oh my god. Yes, the first time we were on
Maria was in.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Your Queen too. I love Maria Shriver so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yes, what what what a legend?

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
She's so wise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
But but the first time we met Jenna was the
same time. Was when is what you're describing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And I remember this is when you had your length.
You've kept the bib bob since.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
You need to cut it again though, so you're.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
You're loving it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
It's easier to keep it short.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, I think this is your look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
We had an original draft of this bob sketch on SNL.
We had your name in it, Leslie Bibbs and and
Jennifer Shagger in it too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
You cut me. I'm out of the bob skin.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
No, it was you made it into proud to want.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Why did you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
We showed that I know you did, and I wanted
to text you and be like your name was? It
was like we answered a Leslie bib and Jennibah Shager
because you've.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Just gotten it cut me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
No, one, It wasn't. It was not a cut.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It was like it was between dress and arras, like okay,
we gotta lose like a minute from this or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I made it to the dress rehearsals.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
That's usually when Laurence steps in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That's when Lauren steps And.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Who is I don't think many people know who Jenna
bush Hager?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Is you kidding me? He knew about you back in
the day when he used to make fun of your ass.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I know, would you know that Amy Poehler played me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yes, do you believe? But think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You think it's taken a long time to shake off
the Captain Morgan in tequila thing, because that's not fair.
You never drink it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
No, I didn't drink Captain Morgan and tequila together.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
No. I mean, do you know that there was a
I was There was some cover of a magazine that
called me gin and Tonic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Did you like that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
I didn't really know me personal when I was nineteen
and twenty years old, I did not like it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
But I will say.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
As a forty four year old, thank god I had
parents that let me make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Man. And I was actually thinking about that the other
day when I was thinking about like you were coming
on the show, and I was like, this is someone
who even I as like a you know, a ten
year old man, I knew who you were, and this
is pre social media, but like you, thank god? Yeah,
well I was thinking about you with that too. I
was like, can you imagine if you were eighteen, nineteen,

(01:02:10):
twenty twenty one years old when your father is the
president and also like is a polarizing figure, Yeah, and
that gets transmuted to you and all the media is
harping on, is you know wild child partying? Yeah, that
had to be Were you shielded from that or how
was it possible to know?

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
I was not shielded from it at all because I
was in college, Like there was nobody to shield me,
even know what I mean. But I think no, I mean,
it was definitely hard. I also think, oh, well, like
people like if that's my you know, resilience that I
had to fight through, like people have a lot worse,
and I mean that. But also it's like, you know,

(01:02:51):
I think the media sort of held like they kind
of understood.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I mean, Chelsea had it bad too, Dea.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
And then by the time and I'm glad we Malia
and Sasha were there, there was this sort of like
rallying cri. I mean, Barbara and I wrote an open
letter in the West Street Journal which basically was like
leave them alone, lets to be kids. But they were
they were kids kids. And then by the time the second,
you know, then they were like in college like we were,

(01:03:19):
and I think, you know, I just think there has
to be some sort of we didn't choose it, you know.
And in fact, when our dad told us he was
going to run for president, we broke into tears.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Did you like say, please don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
We said you're going to ruin our lives, which we've apologized.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, but you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
He told him, he was going to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
You you're going to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
You can run, but you're going to lose.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
But I mean that we I think what it goes
to say is like we had parents that wanted us
to have normal, a normal life. Yeah, and people when
Barbara and I like walked down the street in New York,
people are like, we love y'all. Y'all are so normal,
and that I think is a compliment. You know, we'd
rather hear like y'all graid or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Doesn't this give you like such great perspective with with
Meal and Poppy and now it's like, well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I also just think all kids, like you, look at
the pressure that's on teenagers now to go to the
school or to like you know, do the thing, or
to make it in some way and and like get
the great grades. It's like none of that really, at
least in our house. I'm like, I want happy kids. Yeah,
who are kind like that's all you know, and I

(01:04:37):
think my parents did not. There was no rule book
like we when I went to like court when I
got that minor and possession of alcohol, I wore like
pants like this I didn't know and at my toe
ring and like nobody was like you need to get
dressed up because you're expected to be this person. It
was like, no, you're yourself, and that include to make

(01:05:00):
all I mean make mistakes then I don't know. I mean,
it's not like things could have been way worse. It's like, yeah,
at the time, it was not easy. But also like
that I have the thickest skin ever now and I
look back at that Amy polar Tina face kid and
it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
It is funny, especially when you realized it had nothing
to do with now. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Also, they're speaking in like a twin drunk language, which
like Barbara and I only wish we could do, do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
And how different my life really is than how it
was portrayed is also hilarious. There was one time in
college where we were watching Dawson's Creek and I get
a call from Katie Holmes to come. She wanted to
come and like shadow me and Texas first daughter, and

(01:05:53):
I was like, you guys, she would be like, wow,
your life is lame. You're going to the library to
like stay up all night and write your English paper.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
You know. Like I just was like, you don't want
to come shadow me? So no I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So while you're watching Dawson's Creed, it was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
It was weird, what's happening here?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Do you think that there was anything about because obviously
when you're you know, you're in the public eye in
that way you did not choose, and then several years later,
obviously you choose to go on this path of being
in the public eye. Do you think that that was
a genuine interest and attraction to wanting to be on
air and having that having that influence and impact or

(01:06:45):
do you think a little bit of it was like
I actually want to correct a perspective. Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
No, I mean I don't think like I don't who
knows subconsciously, like I would have to like really sit
with like my shaman and go deep there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
I think I was on the show for a book
that I wrote, and then I wrote a book about
the National Parks with my mom and I was on again,
and it was the executive producer kept coming to me
like I was like, no, I was a teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I was like, I love my job.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
And I taught in inner city Baltimore, and it was
honestly so hard that I was like maybe I should
go take this job interview, you know, like what And
I was a little performer, like I wanted to be
Baby Kazade and le Miz, but I like couldn't sing,
you know, I wanted to be I wanted to be
her performer. So I think like my sisters, like it

(01:07:34):
makes sense you like to make people laugh. But I
wouldn't like have pursued the job myself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
But in a way, like you already knew that you
could be in the public eye, and this is a
this is like a modular thing where now it's on
your urnms, you know, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
I mean, I think it has was helpful that all
of this happened when I was so young, because there
I do other people are like I read the comments,
like I would never read the comments. There's I have
a really good way of like compartmentalizing my work and
sort of the stuff that comes with it, and like
my actual life and the people that I love and

(01:08:11):
you know, and so there's I don't I don't get
caught up in like the that part of it, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I think this is the thing that like Miila and
the kids like should really go forward with it. Not
that you're not already doing this, but I'm like, you
know what, you know, what like weirdly gets me is
like the it's the performance now of like opening up
your college acceptances. I know, everything has to be like
for the camera one else and everyone else like they like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
And then and it makes all these other people feel
like terrible, you know. And it's so interesting because when
we were in high school, my sister won like the
math competition in Dallas. She was she is exceptionally smart,
but she also like she missed one math problem on
our SAT. She was this incredible student and I I

(01:09:00):
love to read. I had a different side of the
brain and it was funny and it was fine. And
my parents did not compare us, like they weren't like, well,
you know, if she did this. So Barbara gets this
perfect score on the SAT. And I read somewhere that
Stanford has like a twin policy that if one twin
gets in, the other one gets in, or they both

(01:09:21):
that thing. Yeah, and they may still have it, but
this was like you know, in two thousand or one
gets you know, doesn't get in, the other one won't
get in. So I read this and I'm like, great news, Like, family,
look what I read. I can ride Barbara's coattails all
the way and soapy myself. And it was like the

(01:09:41):
opposite of the college admission scandal. My dad was like,
hell no, don't ruin Barber's chances.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I was like, oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Like but I think I was like, you're right, You're right,
you know, And there was like in the early odds,
nobody I didn't care, Like she went to Yale and
I went to the University of Texas and it did
not matter, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Like that's good though, because honestly that was that was
not our experience. For myself. I would say that when
we were in high school, the peak millennial thing of
like who's going to get into the best school? Like
I remember, not one person in my entire high school
got into an Ivy League school, and we all felt like, well,

(01:10:24):
it's like equal parts, like we're all dud so that sucks.
But also, thank god not one of us is going
to get in so that we all feel like idiots comparatively.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Ya you know what, I know, we didn't have like
the social media to make it a thing. There was
no I also went to a big public high school
in Austin, you know, like, and it might have just
been like there most people stayed local, like there wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Barbara was sort of the outlier.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
You know. Well a few years after we would go
to school would become the prevailing narrative that you don't
have to go to the school just because it's reputable
and expensive.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Well, but I feel like there is such pressure on
children and on teens to like for what, you know,
like what it's like, you guys found your best friends,
like many of whom I know because of Matt has
brought them, and like you found your family, you found
yourselves Like that matters, So your school choice mattered.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
But I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
The sort of rat race to excellence because it's all
so public, is like, what what is that for? Is
it for finding your purpose? For finding your joy? Then
like sure, but if it's for like showing off that
you got into this great school, it bums me out it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
A bummer for me because it's like Asian immigrant parent
or just those communities throughout the country like at that
time were purely about the achievement and the elders of
these things, and like now it just seems like it's
writ large and it's just sort of blown out for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yes, you know, was that did that feel hard?

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah? Yeah, definitely, Like oh my god. I remember getting
into n Yu and then going back going to China
to see a family and like I was in the
other room sleeping, and then like in the next room
they were like my my dad's side of the family.
They all group farmers. They like most of them were uneducated.
And even they I over hear I ever heard them saying,

(01:12:19):
well that one just gone to school called n Y
like Nyu and it's it's not even that good and
it's not even like the top ten schools or whatever.
And my heart think, I'm like, oh, it doesn't even
measure up to these people who like yeah, didn't even
get to go to college, and like they must feel
a certain way about it, and I'm like, oh, right,
Like this is global, it's a global thing where you

(01:12:40):
end up going to college within like this specific arrangement,
and it's also all branding. Yeah you know what I like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Also, thank god you went where you went and you
found your people and your.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Which is the way they were branding. Stop at School
is like ours so that we could feel attractive to
people who Yeah, you know it's so ridiculous. It was,
it was ridiculous. But speaking of ridiculous, we're all about
to go crazy. I don't know what it's this voice.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
But uh, like, who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Next time I guest host, I'm just gonna start talking
like this is a dumb show, just kidding about.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
What are you? Who are you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Are you stoned and like chemist chemistry stoned mt.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I think that Colvilla and Bonds are pretty sick. Who
are you? I'm around my friends and I'm loose. All right,
this is I don't think so honey, this is our.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Wait are y'all timing me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeahs oh good good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
And you like I'm like, I'm like a star student.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
You are, so for all you star students at home,
this is our segment. We take one minute to just
tare something apart in culture that we don't agree with,
and that's putting it mildly. I'm going to do something
about Worst Prota two. It's my one problem with the movie,
and I do want this question answered. Okay, it's a
little bit of a spoiler, so if you haven't seen

(01:14:09):
Devil Worst Prota two yet, you can skip my I
don't think so, honey, And probably the minute or so after.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
It, Okay, great, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think
so many time starts now, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Don't think, so, honey. The end of the movie The
Devil Worst Prota two, it's a scene with Anne Hathaway
and Metal Streep and Anne Hathaway now works for Runway
and she puts something on the desk and Merrill says,
is there anything else? And then Anne Hathaway says nope.
And I just think, I don't think so honey, that

(01:14:36):
she didn't say that's all. That's all. Why wouldn't you
in the movie with that's all? And then I think
and I don't think, so honey. If this happened, it
must have been in the script and either Anne was like, no,
I think that's Merrile's line and didn't say it. I

(01:14:57):
can see Anne Hathaway being like that, or maybe Merrill
was like giving someone else my line and character. I
don't know, but it didn't happen. There was not enough.
That's all in the movie otherwise a perfect movie. I
was just like, it was right there. We could have
ended the movie with the iconic line I don't think
so honey that we didn't, not that I don't think
so honey in the movie, because I do think so honey,

(01:15:17):
just that part.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
I don't think so And that's one minute.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Don't you think to do it?

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I agree with you, although I bet Merril saw it
and was like, too cliche, No, it's so funny because
I thought it was gonna end that way too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I'm like, well, of course, so then maybe this is
the thing where they expect the audience to get ahead
of it exactly, and they are subverting the expectations exactly,
and it breaks the cycle of you you think now
that Andy is that runway, she would inherit this thing,
and yet she's choosing to break this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I just feel like had she said that's all turned
out and went away and you could have left, you
could have ended it on Meryl with that half smile
that she did in the first movie. And I loved
the last scene, the the tracking away of Beautiful was
that the movie was fantastic, but that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Last scene was so we were We said that I
watched it with Van and Hoddan. We said, where you
could see all of the people in the new it
makes you fall in love with why we lived, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
And actually I love a shot like that, just just
like leaving the characters that we love in process because
you know, there's still That was one of my favorite
things about the way the movie fired too, leaves us
on the dock like that. I was like, oh, there's
still there, and I just loved that. And another thing
I love from the movie was Emily bluntcoes, have you

(01:16:33):
heard of Christmas? I was like, that's my line, have
you heard of Christmas? No, I don't think she actually heard.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Do you think she heard the album?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
And then she I bet she she sent it to
alien Brush McKenna. You heard Jenna Chaka walk out the building? Yes,
she went, let's get Jenna.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
You're the reason I am in the devil anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Okay, this is Bowen Yang's. Where's my phone here?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
You want mine?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Yeah? This is bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey,
is he ready with one?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
It's gonna be a bummer. It's gonna be a bummer,
But it's ours.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Even as he's getting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Ready to know, I'm afraid it's about his back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
This is afraid. I don't think it's honey.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I don't think so, honey. What are the patches supposed
to be doing. I don't believe that the skin is
absorbing whatever the medicine is. I think you gotta take
it by mouth. I think all medicine should be taken
by mouth or ivy. I think on the kind of
a sham, sure, whatever, as long as there's an opening,
as long as you're breaking through, you're puncturing hole.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Topical, topical, anything, analgesic, whatever, I think it has to
I have to ingest it in. It literally has to
go into my veins. I've got too much dermis.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
The three of us have too much dermis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
The three of us have thick skins because of the
hardships of life. And so my skin ain't taking it,
you know what I'm saying. And so I also going
to spend the next fifteen second fifteen seconds saying, wow,
please give me the light of cane over the counter,
orally please, I'll take the sessions oral oral, oral, ou

(01:18:15):
out out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
And that's really good job. I do think though, you
might just need a good shot shot in the back.
What's what, Cornizon, what you're saying? I said? I said,
you tell Bowen he needs a backshot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You mean, but here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
If you get a backshot, yes, you're going to know
why it is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Because if it's a muscle imbalance, the back shot won't help.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Can you see my man, Jason?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I would love to see your man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
You've got to see my man, Jason. It may take
four hours, but you will be fixed two days later.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I have something on the books for next week. But
this is this woman. She's in demand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
No, you need to get next week. You're going to
be better.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
You need Jason tomorrow tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
I booked her this evening.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Can you do it this evening.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
We're figuring it out. They don't come at night to
these people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Jason Will.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Oh my god, it feels like we're going to get
Jason's information.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
I'm going to pass Jason P. And then you got
to see then you got to see doctor Jason p.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
T Jason, Jason PT.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You save people.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Yeah, he's very handsome, but he's wonderful. More than that,
I mean, he's married, but more than that, he's going
to fix you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
To a guy or girl to a woman because he
was married to a guy. It's kind of like whatever
six of one, six of one and a half a
dozen of what I know which cliche and six even happened?
Is when I was at Today Show, we were all
trying to figure out what.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Know, and then we just kept saying it so we
could kill it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
You know, It's like when adult start saying it, then
the ten year olds are like, my mom is saying instead.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Yeah, I think we killed it successfully.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
You're welcome for your service.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Are welcome. If there's anything else I can do for you,
let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Well, we have an idea, how about And I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
So okay, no, listen, I feel like I'm just the prefaces.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I didn't know we were going to talk so much books,
but it's in the book Vein.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
So let's go out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Okay, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
This is Jenna Bushager's I don't think so, honey, and
her time starts.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Okay, I don't think so, honey. Why are we banning
all these.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Books, y'all included book. Why are we banning the Wicked Book?
Why are we banning to kill a Mockingbird? I posted
a picture I don't think, so, honey, of my daughter
reading the summer I turned pretty, and you know what
people said to me. They shamed me. I don't think so, honey.
Don't we know that kids can find all everything on

(01:20:45):
YouTube dot com. We can give our kids iPads, we
can give our kids phones. But you're taking Beloved by
Tony Morrison out of our libraries. Guess whose job it
is to make sure it's appropriate for your children? Librarians?
They are trained. Now listen. I know I'm biased because
my mother was a librarian. She had a cat named Dewey,

(01:21:07):
named after the Dewey decimal system. I do think we
should name cats after things that belong in the library.
But I don't think we should be taking these books out.
Leave it up to the librarians. I want my kid
to read. Want to know why books start conversations. Know
what we're not having enough of in this convert conversations.

(01:21:27):
I don't think so, Honey's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Wow, Wow, we're sitting somewhere really deep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I love to come out. That's why it is a
useful tool for American conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
I bet honestly, I think if I was having a
bad back getting those types of things out, you know,
the body.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Keeping school school, you know, we're actually we're holding all
of our I don't think so Honey's in our.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Back one hundred percent, and our hips, in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Our in our root chakra, in our root chuck.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
I mean, I mean that did I felt it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
To come out my roots. Soon They're going to ban
books about the root chakra. Kids aren't even gonna know about.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Things like the little engine that could see.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Actually, I mean it's it's at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I mean, so I'm going to the Brooklyn Public Library
GAL on Wednesday and I rid a little speech and
I got emotions. I went to the library on Saturday,
wrote my.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Little speech in the library.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Yeah, I had to be on the nose about it,
but it was so wonderful. I was like, Oh, look
at this. There's like adult Jigsaw hour, there's maternity.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Libraries are the cornerstones of our community and when people
need a place that is warm to go and have
access to books. Also, like, what are we thinking, y'all?
We're giving anybody my kid can go to, like you know,
I don't know chemistry and get on her little laptop

(01:22:55):
and order ship from Amazon and not pay attention. But
we're worried about the books that we house in our libraries,
and as we know, representation matters, and a lot of
what they're taking out is necessary for people to see
themselves one, and librarians are not recommending things that are
inappropriate to like seven or eight year old what are

(01:23:18):
we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
But also what is inappropriate necessarily even mean it's it's
a goalpost that tends to move depending on what the
people in power need and how they can control people.
So what's inappropriate is by the way, debatable from the beginning,
from the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Before of the being, except to parents who are not
the ones that are actually banning the books. Ninety four
thousand books were banned last year in twenty twenty five,
ninety two percent of them by institutions, like you know,
by by NGOs, by people that are like big movements.
It's not a parent that's like, hey, my kid came
home with this. Because you're the parent, you can say, hey,

(01:23:57):
how like we should be reading Charlotte's Web instead jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Of course, like it assumes that there's like no monitoring
at any level for this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
But like, librarians are amazing too, that's their job. And
by saying we take these out, what we're saying is
we're not empowering you to do your work.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
The libraries are so radical, to the point that we've
forgotten as a society how radical they are, which is
you get free books and movies and resources and job
opportunities because of this like free thing that everyone is
entitled to. Exactly, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
I was with men Jen, this author who I love,
who wrote Pachinko, and she told me njinly Is. She
told me that books actually made her brave, and she said,
I'm so worried about kids not having access to books,
because where does that bravery going to come from?

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
And also it's not for nothing. But you know these
parents that think I want to control everything that my
kids are consuming, that's not the point of their life.
I know they are supposed to live their life at
a certain point of course, Like you don't want your
child to exposed to something harmful, but exposed to something

(01:25:13):
different is a good thing. Exposed to something empathy, Yeah,
I mean I just I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
But also we're living in a time where like five
and six year olds are getting on YouTube seen anything anything.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yeah, yeah, we're regulating books.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Right yeah, no, but never a tech company.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
What could be more inappropriate than what the president says
on his social media every day?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Right? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
What could be more inappropriate?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Why are we not shielding that from like innocent eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
In a world where we are doing this like hierarchy
of manners right like and morals?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
But like I but like just I wrote about how
like I was wandering the shelves of my library at
the age of thirteen, and I stumble across the CD
ROM original broad cast recording of Wicked, and I took
it home and it changed my brain chemistry, And I'm like,
I like, the library is an important part of that
story because it gives it gives you a sense of
place and time with the discovery of something. Now everything

(01:26:12):
gets served up on our phones, and I'm like, I
don't know, I don't remember where I was when I
discovered this new singer that I like, which is fine
how it is these days, but like, God, it's like
the original Third Space blah blah blah. I'm not saying
anything new, But it's just I think we think thank
you for letting us talk about how I genuinely think
libraries are like the most emotional thing for me and
my community. I go. It's of my favorite places to

(01:26:34):
go in Brooklyn. It has some of the cleanest bathrooms
in the whole city. It's crazy and that's and that's
something you can't count out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
And there are interesting, interesting guys there who who My
favorite bit is to go to the My favorite bit
is new bit is to go to the matom and
just point at the side and say, oh, that's where
they are, and then I and then I wink and
I go in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
That's where they keep.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
You say to all your friends like that you're having
dinner with That's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
My one bit. And then my other bit is whenever
you buy anything and they say the price, you just
go to the cashier my favorite price. And they laugh
every time. Yeah, it works right, every time they laugh
they laugh. Well, some people are truly mean people, so
they don't laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I can't imagine you don't get a laugh, yeah, because
then you know they're kind of laughing inside.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Well, if they don't laugh, that's when I go and
then they go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Wait when y'all met, were you automatically best besties?

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
There was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
It was just like, well, I we knew of you
the other person, but we went to the show together.
And I think there was like a bit of a
status mismatch when Matt felt like I had power over him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
He was in the comedy groups already at n y U,
and I was he not at the same age, or
he's actually younger than me, but he with the same
year in college. But he had auditioned for the comedy
groups the first year and got on the improv group.
And I didn't audition until my well delayed. Yeah, so

(01:28:14):
then by the time I was auditioning, he had already
gotten into the group, and we sort of knew each
other a little bit. And then they cut me from
the improv auditions, and I thought, Bowen maybe put a
hand in that, And.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Did you have a hand in cutting out Jenna Butchagger
and the Bob skit maybe Bowen did cut both of us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
But then the next day, the very next day, I
made it onto the sketch group, and then I suddenly
I was his equal and he had a deal.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
It's like I was also cut My whole award was
cut out of the last joist US Awards.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
It's interesting the interesting tactic you're doing, which is you
asked us about us and then you kind of keep
bringing it back to your award.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
And it's actually why I'm here today. I'm hoping, like,
have you already taped all of those? Those are all
taped in the can?

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Do you want to give an acceptance speech? Right now?
There's your camera it is I'd like to think you
gotta go. You're saying, okay, so do you want to
take us out with your acceptance speech.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
I'd really like to thank Bowen and Matt for the
Today Show Excellence in the Morning Award.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Is that the name of it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Yes, you got it. And now we're just gonna say
that this was so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
I love y'all so much. I will come back whenever,
and y'all both have to come back to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
We are coming. Oh yes, June seventeenth. We're going to
be there the day it comes out. So we're actually
going to get to be on the nine am hour
and the ten am hour.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Oh that seems like once Matt was on g M
A and I got real mad at it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I understand why it doesn't feel right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I went on g m A once and literally she goes,
the fuck, I.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Did you a host on this show?

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
It was before it was as it was, because you
want to know what that was, Nana, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
It wasn't there. We can look up the art. We've
been the host once.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Let me tell you something it was. I know what
it was because I was filming a piece of content
with you for roll Senna, and then I said, and
then someone was something and they go, Okay, we just
have to go because he has to go to g
M A.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
And then you were like, it wasn't even gm A.
It was g M A three, only.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Gm A three. G thank you. This has been a joy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
I'm obsessed with you and I love you guys so much.
I can't wait for Cohella Colla.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
We end and by the way, watch watch the Morning
Program Today with Jenna and Channel and I mean, I
love you, love you, And we end every episode with
the song what was the theme song when I was
guest hosting? Because now it's different, I know I can't
remember it was, what's the what's the Today Show?

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Theme?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
I mean I listened to it every day.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Oh This is Today with Jenna and From.

Speaker 4 (01:31:22):
Guest starring Matt Rogers comedian podcast Matt Rogers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Bye Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Last Culture Recis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big
Money Players in My Heart Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
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Executive produced by Anna hasby A and produced by Becka Ramos,
Edited and mixed by Duck Babe and our music is
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