“Overqualified” (w/ Becca Ramos AKA Producer Becca!)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look madder.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh, I see you.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Look over there is that culture.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Yes, goodness, wow loves culture.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Dang los cultures calling. You know what, I just realized
it is for me and I didn't understand it to
be this type of day today, but it is. It's
a multiple liquids day.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
You are your water signed classically? Oh yeah, it's And
the moon is new, babe.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I think the moon might be new right now, but
by the time this episode is out, the moon could be.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Old as fun.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
But I'm just saying, you are.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You are filling yourself up to be dictated by the
pole of the lunar pole.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Did you know that actually, when we drink water now,
it hydrates us. You okay, let me let me, let
me be careful about this. So the water that we
drink now is the hydration that we have in three
weeks and.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
The but the the piss that we pissed tonight is
from the water that we drink today.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Correct, So when you piss, when you piss later, it
will be water you've had recently. That's often why you'll
you'll find that you drink a lot of water and
then like a short time later, we'll have to pee.
That is that very water. But the hydration station is
what do you drinking from? A while back? You know
who told me this, Doug Peck.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Our vocal genus.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Who knows about hydration and quite frankly drinking water. Also,
room temp is best.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Now what do I do if it burns.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
A little when you pee?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
When was your last STI? Oh god, we're going there
at this point, we're gonna ask a question.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Question. I'm gonna say the last time I got on
like a doc sea thing because someone called, like a
few months.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Ago go, someone called and said, hey girl, hey.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Girl, I'm so sorry. I regret to regret to inform
you respectful. So no he was there, was Shane there,
and I was like, there's you truly have no reason
to be shamed. Thank you for you know, and like
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go get the doxy. So
that was a few months ago. But then like it
was just the pill and I've gotten like the shot
in the ass, and I'm like, oh this, we're not
we're not joking around.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
What about you. I've never taken doxie pep, which for
everyone you know't no for the what we're gonna call
the ninety nine the percent, which is the women that
listen to this doxie PEP would be uh, like a
prophylactic the day after for for your your bacterial things exactly, yeah,

(02:44):
get it, get it, get them eliminated. Never taken that,
but never had to. I just had one gnarally gnarly
STI back in the day, Like a lot of people that,
a lot of sexually active people I talked to, are.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like, yes, I have. It's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like I get, I've got a series of the whatever.
I've just had one nasty one. And syphilis, Oh, sif
is tough. I was twenty six and I got the
pirate STI.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I said, syphilis is like the pink of STIs. It
has always been here and it will always remain It's
Miller Culture number twelve.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Syphilis is like the pink of STIs. It has always
been here.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
And it will always remain. Love pink, love pink.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I love our guests.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You want to know why She's family truly, and I
feel like I love the joy of the readers. Katie's
Publicist finalists and Kyle's Whenever producer Becca joins the fray
and I feel as though this is an auspicious thing
because not only is our beloved producer Becca Ramos joining us,

(03:56):
but it is for a terrific reason, which is the
launch of her very own podcast right here, and it's
called Welcome to Albario. It is out on February third.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right here at iHeart right here at I Heart Big Money.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
No, no, it's on the Michael Tura Network.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Okay, it's on the Michael Tura Network. And I I
would just go ahead and say, can they hit pre subscribe.
I don't know how podcasts works.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yes, when this episode comes out, the trailer will be out,
so you can save the show and come back next week.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Are you getting used to doing this? Like and subscribe?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Like and subscribe?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I covered your face, I think, oh no, no, no no,
I just want to make sure and subscribe.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
What brow we got to bring her in? This is
our beloved producer who's to join us on our benchmark episodes,
chimes in for very important reasons.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Oh yeah, she famously said every thirty seconds? What was
what did she say?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Dig and DG dig.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
For the iconic the Chicha occasionally work.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Oh, the mother of Chicha mother of Teacher the Amazing Dog.
She is the host, creator, producer of Welcome to Abario
at Every Third As we said, everyone please welcome Becca Romo.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, producer Becca.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now guess Becca, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's what you to sit there usually and then now
be here in the lights and the cameras and the action.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Welcome to your public life.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Might I know it's it's scary.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I posted my first front facing camera video yesterday in
promotion of the show because I was like, oh, we're
a little less than a month out, I probably should
start posting about it.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And it was well received, but it is nerve wracking.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Now I have to like not just hide behind everything
like I normally do, making sure everything happens and go smoothly.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Now it's like my job to also be the face.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
You're the face you were never hiding behind. You were
always pulling the levers.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, I'm suretrategically making everything happen, the man behind the curtains.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right. Also, on any given day, you are the best
dressed person. Yeah you know that.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh no, it's always nice to hear.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Though.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Do you identify as someone who has like a tutorial?
Would you say you you identify as someone with good
fashion or your own fashion.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I would think good fashion, yeah, because I don't think
I'm I'm tacky, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I would never use to describe what are the words
that would describe the aesthetic colorful? I would say I
was just colorful.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm wearing brown, which is like not normally, but I
have a color color color.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
And if you're full of the red and the brown
and the black I'm seeing picked up on the boots,
I'm normally.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think a monochrome look or a color block look
is kind of my style.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And like one print, maybe.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Prints can be deceiving because you might see that print
and say, that's an interesting print, and then you find
out when you wear the print that print is not
for you.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Absolutely, And I do have a couple of pieces like
that where I was like, oh, you know what it
might be trying to hear of this.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Why do we Why are we hedge for so long
on certain pieces? I have shit where I'm like, that
should have been out years ago.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
They should have left that on the rack.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I think it depends if like you bought it or
if it was gifted to you, because sometimes I'll buy
something and it was a little more expensive than I
probably would have wanted to pay for that. Yeah, and
then you bring it home and you're like, I don't
love it, But now you're.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Like, well, I'm kind of stuck with it. It was
at a thrift. I can't return it.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You know what? Those are the things you wear on
the podcast? Ye, because I feel like now that podcasts
are a visual medium for real, don't we know? Probably
told the prophecy was so foretold, it's not even funny.
But like, I do find that it's a good place
to wear like your bold stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I mean I almost wore a really bold pant today,
but then I decided against it because I wanted to
wear the vest. I bought the best pretty recently at
a thank you at a into chop up State, and
then I was like, I don't know how to wear
this vest, and so, like you just expressed, I was like,
I will wear this vest on this podcast.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I will wear this best. As you just expressed, I
was like.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
This needs to be worn, but I don't know how
to wear it.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
And I went through so many iterations and then I
ultimately was like, Okay, I'm just gonna do a monochrome look,
but I don't want it to be boring.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
So I wore the red and you gotta have a
iconic neckerchief.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yes, so I wore a little gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Specifically, the Beyonce levice is that schif. Yes, I bought
it for Cowboy Carter. But also it is the ones
you wear in the commercial.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
So this is this is dove telling into another question,
which is when an artist like Beyonce, who is the
icon like sort of like where we know we're going
to be in the midst of a new era, which
is accompanied by our merch drop, how quickly do we buy?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I know the answer for you immediately.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm pretty immediate on it. I immediately bought the Cowboy
Carter jacket you wore to the show. Still have the
ash tray in my kitchen counter. It's a great jacket
and various uh you know, ribbed t shirts. So I'm
very quick on it, which isn't It's good, but it's
also not great. It's I am fast fashion to me.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yes, And also I hate.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
To be someone who's like, yeah, I'm wearing the merch,
but with Beyonce, I am that person like no other artist,
and I love lots of artists and I love going
to shows, but Beyonce is the only one that I'm.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like, and I have to buy the merch No, no, no, no no.
See that's the thing is, it's like I'll get militant
very quickly about like supporting, like when the rock album is,
when when the topic is not just like you know,
just something that's floating around. I'm very excited to have
a rock era.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm very excited. I'm very intrigued.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I can't wait to revisit Lemonade, to re enter the
rock era, because that's where we got got a first yourself.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Do we think the motif so if Renaissance was like
silver and metallics, yes, Cobocarta was denhim.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Do you think rock is gonna be leather?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I feel like it has to be you.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You better stuck up on the leather now, all of you,
all of you on talking people.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, she's been hinting, but I will say, actually, Beyonce's
first rock moment, this is a performance, this is one
of her best life before prinds. No, well, obviously that
obviously that right. But I feel like when she explicitly,
like in her own individual way, was like I'm going
to do a rock song. Do you remember when she
performed If I Were a Boy and did a medley

(10:35):
with you Ought to Know? Wow? Wow. So she came
out and she did it was If I Were a Boy, which,
by the way, it's not a Beyonce song that everyone
talks about, No, but I do think it's one of
my favorites, and it's one of her number one hits.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I would concur that she also made it in Spanish.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yes, she certainly did.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
You did.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I used to listen to it in Spanish.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Just because my Spanish is really bad, and in college
when I was Takingish, I would listen to like all
these songs that Beyonce would flip like the Spanish version.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yes, specifically when an artist does that gives you bilingual Yes,
it doesn't have to be my own thing. There's any
gentle whispering Maria. She does English video, she does Russian
video sometimes. I always watch the Russian ship for rest.
I'm like, give me that. But with beyond with the
Spanish thing, like I guess like we haven't really and

(11:27):
I think it's okay that we haven't really like zeroed
in on that, but it's like that was that was
a great risky I guess quote unquote not risky, but
like I think she.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Knew her audience because she's from Texas. Yes, so there
is like a I think she has an homage to Selena. Yes,
I think there's a lot of overlap in the like
Tehano community with her, especially because she comes from Houston
the Rodeo. The Rodeo famously has lots of Tehano artists.
That's where Selena also got her big break was at
the Rodeo. Weirdly, also Bruno Mars and lots of other

(11:57):
people if it was his big break, but I definitely saw.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Him other rodeo currency the Rodeo. Yes, lots of roots
in the Rodeo.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
A lot of black and brown artists have roots in
the Houston Live Suction Rodeo.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So I do think if you.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Are from the South and you're like trying to figure
out different avenues to break. I did notice a lot
of artists will do a couple country or not country,
sorry excuse me, I do a couple of Spanish songs
because Casey muck'sgrave covered.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yes, yes, it is like weird.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, is Casey mos Graves from Texas.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
She is from Golden Texas.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
She's from Golden Texas.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
I just read this because you know, I don't know
if you know. A twenty four has like two books
about two states, specifically one for Florida and one for Texas.
I bought myself with my like a twenty four membership
discount whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
The Texas book because I was like, well, I'm a
girl from Texas.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I want to buy this book.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
And I was sliving through. Kasey Muscaves does the pro
what's it called the prolog?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
The pro the app forward, the forward.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Kasey Muscaves does a forward and it's a beautiful.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
She does like her little mauge too, coming from such
a small town Texas because she is she's from like
central middle of nowhere Texas.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Golden Texas is like I.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Think, don't quote me on this West Texas like west,
like central west, like I think west of Waco.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
And I should know. I went to Baylor, but yeah, small.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Town, speaking of Texas. What is the biography there for?
You give us, give us the give us becaamo's diaspor life.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
So I was born in Los Angeles, California, believe or not.
My parents are both Puerto Rican but from different ways
of life. My mom grew up in Puerto Rico. She
was born and raised on the island. My mom's mom
is New Yorrekan. She was born in New York, moved
to Puerto Rico, had kids in Puerto Rico, so my
mom has a more traditional Puerto Rican diasporic experience. And

(13:55):
then my dad, he was born here in Brooklyn, but
then moved to California when he was very little, and
he's like a valley kid. He sounds like John Stamos.
He's a very strong, like La accent, which is probably
why I don't have much of a Southern accent. Between
the two parents, but they end up in Texas, both
of them, when they're like in their early twenties, and

(14:17):
meet via their families, and they.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Both were in Texas in Houston Great and they.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
And they bond over their hatred of living there, and
so they get married and they move back to California.
They're like, fuck this, we don't want to be in Texas.
Our families can figure it out without us, and they
go back and they have my brother and I in California,
and then life just got too expensive, too hard, My
parents went to college in their thirties, so they didn't

(14:42):
have like a tditional career path or income, and so
they're like, well, maybe in Texas's cheaper. Our parents are
still in Texas. We can figure it out in Texas.
So then they move us when I was two to Texas,
and then I grew up in Texas and I stayed there.
I'ment in Houston the whole time.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I ended up at.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Baylor, and then I I lived in Dallas for a stint.
I like dabbled in Austin, and then I ultimately when
I graduated, landed an internship at a big ad agency
in Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
But I was like, I love port landing.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I was like, yeah, because you saw in Portland I
was a new world.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's where young people go to retire total. So I
was like, I'm a young person who wants to like
have a chill life. So I moved to Portland. I
enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
It was a cute little stint I was. It was
my first time.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, well I had smoked a couple of times in college,
but I was such a goodie two shoes, I was ara.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's kind of both of us to relate to the game.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Well, you have immigrant parents. I have very brown parents.
They were like fear of God and me like, if
you do anything wrong, your dad.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
So I was.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
And then I went to a private Baptist college, which
not to say there weren't. There are plenty of drugs,
like rich kids doing cocaine.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Every religious fine ways to do drugs no matter what
exact access or yeah yeah it's it's.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I mean it was a dry campus. We were technically
not allowed to drink. You could get expelled for being
drunk on campus, even if you are of age.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
And does that make you want it more and to
get up more?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I was in a sorority. I like did the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I was like real like southern girl, Like I was
a zeta, Like I was in a white sorority, and
I lived like in a sorority house off campus. And
I feel like if you were in the greek life,
you partied hard. Like that was just I was like
typically the DD because I or not DD, but I
was at least.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
The one keeping it a little because and not.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
To get too dark. But when I went to Baylor,
it was kind of like a scary time to be
a girl.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
At Baylor.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
There was a lot of like rape culture at Baylor,
like a lot of what ye twenty I was there
twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen. Okay, so this is like
peak art Briles gets fired because and this is when
Baylor's at their peak for football, right, So people in
the like in the conversation before I went to Baylor
in twenty thirteen, it was like the Branch Davidian like
that like cult did the mass murder. After I started

(17:02):
going to Baylor, it was like football, we became a
football school, like we were like this underdog that became
a big football.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Football filled the vacuum of Branch Davidio.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yes, it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Because people would be like, you go to Baylor Raco
where that like cultest And then it became like, oh,
Baylor Bears football.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
It became a big deal.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
And while I was there, though, it was like while
Baylor was like scoring high in football, it was also
like we're covering up all the football players raping people.
So then it became this big thing. Like by the
time I graduated, our brios got fired. They fired our
president who was the lawyer against Bill Clinton, Montic Lewinsky,

(17:43):
he's the one who convinced like like whatever was defending
Bill Clinton. He was our president at the university. He
gets fired for covering up the assaults happening on campus,
and then they still let him do our commencement.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Speech, which is crazy. He was just graced president.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
They fired him while I was there and then brought
him back to do our commencement speech.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Crazy. But all that to say, the culture at Faylor
was wild.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
At that time, like you think, and Trump got elected,
you know, like the assault culture was at its peak.
They're doing they're teaching us as the sorty girls. They
would have us do these seminars. They were like, yeah,
just make sure you're like not too drunk and like
don't wear short skirts and like be better.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
And then it's like, what are you telling the guys
that's right?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Right? So do you think that's an assumption that they
just won't change boys?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
And they were like definitely taking fraternities off campus because
it was like in tandem as these like football players
were being covered up, these frats were getting really rowdy
and they were getting like flagged by nationals to be like, hey,
this chapter hazing is really bad.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
This chapter is hazing is really bad.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
So I was at a time in the Greek culture,
especially like what that ex movie was out, whatever, the
party movie.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, So I.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Feel like that's like where the culture was, like they
were Baylor was like trying to compete with UT to
be like the big party school.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
That was like it almost felt achievement based. Yes, to
be the biggest, biggest party of rowdiest Yes.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
And it's like, Lol, You're a private Baptist college in
the middle of nowhere, Texas.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But they they were part of you know. It wasn't nothing.
It wasn't that small, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So you're making a d D choice.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
So I was like not always like sober by any means,
but I definitely was like keep an eye on my girls.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I was like, especially because one's I gonna have to
get to dark.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Being a brown girl at a very white university, I'm undesirable.
I didn't know I was hot until.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I left Texas. Fact, I truly was like I'm ugly,
like no one likes.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
And then I moved to Portland, organ of all places,
and then I was like, oh, I was an ugly.
I was just ugly for like a private Baptist University
in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Texas, so it looks the same.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
So I was protecting my girls, and my goals were
white mostly, and so you know, I would see them,
I'm like swatting them off. My best friend because she's
like peak beautiful, like brown, long, luscious gorgeous hair, like
teeny meany little thing love her, it does.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
She's sill my best friend. But the men flock to her,
you know.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
And so I'm just like standing down only two drinks
and being like, do not put anything in her drink
or I will take you down.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, And so you're seeing attention being given in
a new way. You're looking at it from the outside
and therefore can see it the most clearly.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
So I had like fun at my house, Like I
live in a house of like five sorty girls, so
we party.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And it wasn't community, it was. It was good.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I had a great, like Greek life experience, even though
there was obviously like mean girls bullying, like whatever, You're
gonna have that at any school age of eighteen to
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Year olds, you know, totally.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
But I ended up building a really strong community of
like girlfriends I'm still best friends with two of the
girls I lived with in college. There's still my girls
this day. And I think had I gone to somewhere
like ut it actually would have been worse because the
Greek life, I think is more toxic at other public universities.
I think Baylor because of the religious aspect, it actually

(21:13):
was way more tame for the sororities, not for the forgeries,
but for the authrorities. So yeah, I it was not
the most pleasant experience, but it's a story.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, but just like on an environmental level, like of course,
that like starts to be pernicious and you start to
like think these you start to live in the system
of like the whiteness of it all.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, you're like, I obviously didn't have the language we
all have now with like assimilation, like learning what it
means to be a person of color, all these things.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
These are not conversations we're having in twenty thirteen, twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I didn't find out what afri Latina meant until twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was like, oh, that's me.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I just was like, I'm Puerto Rican and then people
were like you're black, and I'd be like, well, no,
and then now I'm like yes, But then I didn't
have that language. So at that time I was just like, well,
if I'm just the best at everything, I'll be accepted surely.
Like I was like on the executive council with my sorority.
I was a Dean's list student. I I mean, I

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went to a private Baptist college. I was like, I
if I just if I'm good enough, they'll like me.
And then I dated this guy in college though this
he was five years old than me, which was already
a problem of itself. You know, if you're twenty, don't
date a twenty five.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Years Oh no, certainly, no one older than that. Either.
You don't know what's weird until.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You don't know what's weird. TI, you're a yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
And so he was my ta, so already bad.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Were you attracted to the fact that it felt like
a yeah hierarchy?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Like, well, I because all semester when he's my ta,
I thought we were flirting, But I I took it
as like, t he this is so fun. This is
like a fantasy. There's like, hey, a rivalry.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'm not really supposed to be doing something horny about it,
right exactly, I watched Rivalry back in the day.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, of course I know.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
It was no, it was fantasy to me, right, So
when I would go and I would go back to
my girlfriends and be like, oh my god, no, I
think he's flirting with me. And then I got really
drunk in the summer with one of my friends because
I stayed in Waco for that summer because I was
interning or something, and I got really drunk and I
added him on Facebook because that's the time we were
living in Instagram was not like that, but I like

(23:23):
found his name, his full name, and I added him
on Facebook and then he messaged me asking to take
me out because I was no longer his student anymore,
and so he was like, well, we can like go
on a date. And then we went on a date
and the next thing, you know, we dated for like
almost three years. I dated from like twenty twenty to
twenty three till I moved to Portland and then like

(23:43):
it kind of fizzled out from when I was living
in Portland.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
The long distance, many of the things, but.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I sailed as a say, as we were dating my
senior year, he is a grad student, he is older.
I had to get a fake idea to go out
with him because he was embarrassed to take me out.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Like should have known.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
He was on the lots the things that you ignore
when you were just simply attracted to something. Yes, and
I was assuming a lot about that He's gonna take
care of yes.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
And so we're out one night and he was like, oh, well,
you know, my family doesn't.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like love you.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
And I was like huh. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait,
I met your family. I've gone to Virginia to meet them.
This is before get out came out, which he related, yes, okay,
very much.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
So he's like.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
East Coast family of lawyers.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Dad went to Georgetown like old mondayless like probably he
was so to me, I was like, this was also
exciting because I was like, oh, he's like elite, Like
he's like he's special. You know, I'm just a bumpkin
from Houston, Texas. He's like from the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's culture. And so I need my papers.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah literally, and so I actually he was a geology ta,
which is like I had to take.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
One last time.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
He brought in the rocks.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I care literally, and so but we're out and.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Make sure there's no dirt on this one. I'm going
to sit in the corner.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Now, we love you geology tas, we respect you geology scientists,
just not for me. No.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But and I was like, what do you mean your
family doesn't like me. He's like, well, you're just not
like a rich white D one athlete. And he said
this to my face. And then he was just like
and it was nagging. Of course, now we have this language,
we have the language.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now I know we have all these words.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
But at that time I.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Was like, and it was like the first moment that
I was like, Oh, it doesn't matter how much I
try to assimilate, I will never be enough like for
these like I can be the best I got. At
that time, I had already landed my job at the
ad agency, which is the number one ad agency in
the industry. Like I was like, I was the best
of the best of the best in every category, and
it was not enough for this family because simply I'd

(25:51):
not come for money and I was not white.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Do you think it never would have been enough even
if they did spend a lot of time with you.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yes, I don't think it would been enough because I
remember so distinctly. His mom came into town for something
like for work, and my mom happen to also come
in town, and I was like, oh, we should get dinner,
and so our parents or our moms met, and I
remember feeling so at that time uncomfortable with how loud

(26:19):
my mom was and how much of a like Puerto
Rican woman she was, And it was because I was
like shrinking myself to fit into this space that was
so clearly not meant for me. And now I look
back feeling so sad that I even ever felt that.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Way looking at my mom.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
But I know where it came from, because it was
just like it was so clear the writing on the
wall that I was just never going to.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Be accepted by this person.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
And I think if I had rotten it out, we
would have gotten married and divorce, like I do think
like had I not moved to Portland, I would be
married in divorce.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And your whole relationship to what I think we might
be getting at, like on like the pathway to you
starting this postodcast, yeah, is like you probably developed a
very wonderful sense of quote unquote, like what the lineage is, right,
and like how you had both of your parents are
also diasts for Puerto Rican who then went like you

(27:16):
know who now like and now you go back and
like you revisit and you have this beautiful appreciation and
this like connection to it, like you got to root
yourself in that. Yes, after this fucking lish like this
thing crazy.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
The thing about my past life in Texas because now
I've lived outside of Texas for almost a decade. I
moved to Portland in twenty seventeen, so I was in
Portland for like three years and I've been here for six.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So I've been almost out of Texas for a decade.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
But it's like I kind of put my Texas life
on a shelf.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Sometimes.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
I feel like after Cowboy Carter came out, it was
like the first time I was like, Okay, it's okay
for me to be Texas.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like I was wondering how connected you are to Texas.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I was very traumatized. I think from my upbringing.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
And now I've had enough distance and I've lived out
of Texas long enough that i can have a deep
appreciation for the beautiful parts of my upbringing.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I'm still.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Never going back, right.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
It's something I'm trying to get my parents out of there,
and they've even looked at me. I think when I
first moved, they're very sad and they were like, of course,
like we wish you could just get a job here.
But I always knew, like even from when I was little,
like something in me I was like, I'm not meant
to be here, Like I meant for bigger and better things.
I want to achieve this big, grandiose life. I don't
know what that looks like, but I know I can't

(28:31):
do it here in Texas. And I think those a
few years they were like come home. But then when
I moved to New York, they were actually like stay
there because they're like you're happy, you seem like this
is where you're.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Meant to be, and they have roots here.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Okay, my mom is she loves New York, she loves visiting.
She grew up in her summers here in New York
because my grandmother was born in Spanish Harlem, and like
grew up in Spanish Harlem and the Bronx, like we
have family the Bronx, we have family Spanish Harlem. So
my mom spent summers in New York because she would
go as her grandmother, who still lived in New York,

(29:05):
but my dad has no connection to New York. He
is very like, he is a California dude.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
He loves La missus La opposite's truly attractive.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, he's like, please take me back, if you could pay,
if you make enough money back, please retire us in La.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And I'm like, I hope, so we.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Will get there.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think people with the right idea think of like
California as a retirement. My parents are in Florida, and
it's it's tough, yeah, because it's.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Like it's like you're like, oh, it's it's so warm
and sunny, and Disney's right there.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
But then it's like it all.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Fades right away when you realize that is not the same.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Because I know you love Disney, but does your family
are they Disney.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
The reason that we loved Disney is because we were
we that was the at the time, affordable vacation.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Because my family's a Disney family too, and that was
like the only vacation.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
It is becau at it then, Yeah, so now it's
not affordable.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Now they're very bald about it being about the bottom line,
and it's almost better for them to just be honest
about it. They're put like a Disney Mickey smile on it,
and they didn't take all the money from the families.
But this was not how it was back in the day.
The reason why we were going down there so much,
and I think one of the reasons why my sister
went to college in Florida is because we had like

(30:25):
an experience going there once a year, and it was,
of course a warm state. It didn't have the political
reputation that it has now.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
It didn't have sort of we weren't thinking about it
like that.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
No, it wasn't like that.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
And also we were young, and like I was just
excited to go on vacation because we couldn't afford like
probably similarly to you, like it was not we weren't
going anywhere fancy.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
No, and like basically we because I grew up fairly
poor up until like I was in middle school, because
my mom was a stay at home mom up until
I was like seven, and she finished her degree while
I was like she was a say at home mom,
and I went to her college graduation in second grade,
I think, And it was after that it was like
a huge change because then my parents became a two

(31:07):
income household, and my mom became a teacher, and all
of a sudden, by the time I got to high school,
like freshman year, we started to like get to go
to Disney and like go on vacation. But my dad
is he's a very particular person and he likes only
certain things in certain ways, and so the only vacation
he's willing to go to is Disney. So then we
just became a Disney family because it's like the only

(31:29):
place my dad was willing to.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Travel to order what are the things that particular is
about Disney that I think.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
It's because it's so Americana. You know, my dad and
my mom are very different diasporic and Puerto Ricans. Like
my dad is like very He's like, I'm an American.
I grew up in California. I love hot dogs and
pizza and burgers. He's like, I'm proud to be an American.
Where it's like my mom, I think she is more
enriched in the culture because she actually grew up on
the island. But I say all that to say, when

(31:57):
we're at Disney, I think he likes the Americana of
it all, likes it. It's like and it's like he
doesn't have a thing and he doesn't have to think.
You go and you just you eat the food, you
go on the rides. There's no planning. I mean, it's
just like you just show up and everything's done for you.
It's the Disney way, the magic. And I think he
likes that.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
At least it was the way it was.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
And we went last year.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
It was like the app and you need you need
like all this, you have to plan for months in
order to my.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Mom is shout out, if you want a Disney vacation,
hire my mom.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
She does do like does she really yes?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Oh so we could jam out about this.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yes, no, absolutely, she does all the bookings that my
mom's booked all our trips. But she also is like
an official like Disney vacation planner. She retired as a
teacher and then became like a little Disney vacation planner.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's really fun so and she loves it. She's a
great because it discounts to go to Disney totally.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Like people call up and they're excited about having their
vacation and the fact is it is overwhelming and difficult
to navigate like.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
And she loves doing that. She loves a plan organized type,
a kind of woman's.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
About your mom though, and about like you feeling embarrassed
that you know about her volume. Yeah, this reminds me
of this thing someone said. I forget who, but it
was like they were talking about like the way people
talk about movies and TV and just culture nowadays, were like,
I didn't like it because the characters are unlikable. And
then it's this thing where it's like the thing you
don't like is usually the point, yes, And like the

(33:23):
thing that we feel shame about with particular parents, because
I'm relating to this on some level, like the things
that I would be very embarrassed about, like and you
would just have this merriment embarrassing because of white supremacy
or whatever, or just living in America, Like I'd be
embarrassed about the food that I bring to school or
something like that. And now I'm realizing that's that's the
reason the food is, Like the reasons for being ashamed

(33:46):
of like the way our parents behaved or the way
like our culture gets brought into these places is the point. Yes,
that's the quest.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's the beauty of where you come from, because then
you're not like everybody else and there's I think it
takes like growing up to realize that. I think when
you're hosed to be when you're young, you're.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Like, oh my god, I just desperately don't want to
be perceived in a way.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
You're like, I want to fit, especially when you like
already look out of place, right, Like I don't look
like any of the other kids.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I am.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Also have the experience that many Porto Ricans have where
your family just all doesn't look the same because we're
from an island that's like so mixed. Like my dad
is like very white Puerto Rican and my mom is
much more dark skin but like I am like Afro Latina,
Like I don't look like either of my parents, at
least when I was growing up. My hair was much curlier.
My hair is like jet black. I was always darker.

(34:36):
I am shades lighter than I grew up because in Texas,
the sun's always out, So I was very dark when
I lived in Texas, like my whole life because the
sun was always out.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
So I just looked not like my family.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
So I think that was like already a problem, Like
people used to just so fucked up. My mom used
to tell me this as like a haha, and then
you think about it, you're like.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Wow, that's like really messed up.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
But people used to stop my mom and be like, so,
it's like Becca's dad the same as you hurt your
son's dad. Because my brother and I are only a
year and a half apart, but he and I look
very different. He's got like light brown hair, He's much
more fair than I am. And yeah, people used to
ask my mom all the time when we were kids
if we had the same dad, and Mom's like, they're

(35:20):
a year and a half apart.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
You think I'm crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
You think I'm just stepping out of my husband like
that eight months.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Part of the comfort that people had second he that
is Yeah, that's that's very telling.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Wild.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, you just got back from Puerto Rico Records exactly
episodes of the podcast. What was that like?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
It was so much fun. It was actually kind of
an interesting experience because this year. If you had asked
me before twenty twenty four if I would go to
Puerto Rico five times in a year, I would have been like,
no way, I would never have the privilege to be
able to do that.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
But in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Five I went four times or three times three or
four four three.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
This is my fourth time, but maybe maybe the pinky
went up.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Because we went for my birthday the three plus times.
We went for my thirtieth birthday, which is a lot
of fun, and then we went for my partner's birthday
in July. And then I had a good friend that
was like, I'm selling my bad Bunny tickets. Do you
want them? And I was like, and it was like,
but we're literally in Puerto Rico right now. Do we
book a trip to be back in three weeks?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
We did and.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
August it was it was the first weekend. It was
the like non local residency, because we ended up there
the first weekend of the local residency, not because we
had tickets, because we just wanted to come for my
partner's birthday. And then we try to get tickets and
we couldn't get them. And then at the same time,
my friend's like, I can't make my trip. I'm going
to sell my tickets, but obviously I wanted to talk

(36:53):
to you first, and I was like, yeah, it's the
ones in lifetime opportunity.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm going to buy those tickets.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
And so I brought my mom for that last trip,
so I went three times and then I just went
this past week in January twenty by six, so four
times in less than a year. I would have never
thought in my lifetime that I'd be able to frequent
the island like that.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's been such a beautiful, like.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Healing experience to like go to Puerto Rico to network,
to like build community. I like now have friends on
the island, I like live there, and like I can
see and it doesn't feel like I'm like on vacation
so much.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
It feels like I'm coming.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Home purpose exactly about the seasons, even though it's like
this temperate thing all year, but yes.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yes, and this is my first time going in the winter,
which was very interesting because it definitely is colder than
you think.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's rainy.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
There are these things called sand fleas, which I experienced
when I went in March many many moons ago when
I was in college, but I didn't experience in them
all summer. So I'm thinking I'm putting my thinking up
on perto Ricans. Let me know, are the sand fleas
worse in the winter, because I am like eating.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it's it's a fad. It looks like have chicken pox.
So did you prepare at all for this or do
you I did not anticipate that at all.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I was like doing a photo shoot on the beach
and they literally I didn't even get in the water
or like sit on the sand.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
They were jumping from the sand to bite me.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Do you identify as someone that and a lot of
people do identify as this someone that mosquitoes love like
some people are like you do.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I do identify someone.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That I've been lucky about this. I have this privilege which.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I was gonna ask you, Oh.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
That's you? Is that a thing always?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Maybe it's an old wise tail positive? So so what
is it?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You guys are the universal donors? Yes, I think I'm
a universal receiver.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I say you're a universal receiver.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Any old person can as.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
But yes, we're universal donors. But I do think that
there's God, but the sam Fleas are. It doesn't matter
who you are. Everyone got say where they are.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
They will eat coup, which I am. But this is
beautiful because you're going for work, yes, you're going for
personal occasions of like it's my birthday, it's my partner's birthday.
And then before we to ask you the question, like
talk about the experience of going to the like these
these these shows because of this album W two Must

(39:27):
Photos is like, oh my god, historic, gargantuan, changing album,
like the best.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
So I was there in July, which was like the
PA It was like the beginning of the tour, and
the energy in the island was like electric.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Because it was the beginning of the tour.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
For the residents who live in Puerto Rico, it was
before the tours, and a lot of people did ask us.
They're like, are you here, like snagging tickets from locals,
and We're like, no, we came because.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
We were thought of that.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yes, So this is something that I'm going to tackle
on the show. But it is there's a lot of
tension between Puerto Ricans that are from the island who
live on the island and those of us who live
here in the States, because there are socioeconomic struggles between
the two cultural divides. Like it's purposeful the way the
government has divided the communities. And I am hoping with

(40:16):
the show to kind of pridge that, but I come
up on that every time I show up. I am
trying to be like, no, look, I might be from
the States, but I am like here in liberation of
Puerto Rico to love and care for this island and
respect you those who are like here, because it.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Is hard to live in Puerto Rico. And they were
very excited in the summer.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
I feel like in the summer people were like so
jazzed about the tour and about what was going on
on the island because that bunny did have like a
lot of stuff for locals to be able to do.
Like he was not only like surging the economy, but
he did like have all these events like he did,
like an art gallery at the a Museum of Fine Art,
like of like this Adidas collection that he did, of

(40:56):
all these shoesies designed for Adidas, like archival ones that
have never seen the light a day. He like did
this exhibit he did, Like in the plaza at Alcholi
is like the the concert hall in Puerto Rico that
he performed at. But in the plaza you didn't have
to have tickets to go and experience stuff outside, so
there was like food and drink and.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Like gift bags and like.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Photo ops and so like you could enjoy the show
if you couldn't get tickets to the show, and then
they would give away tickets every night, like if you
waited in line, like there were like a handful of
tickets for those who weren't able to get them.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
To get tickets.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
So he was doing a lot for the people of
Puerto Rico, which is like I don't think people realize, like, yes,
it's capitalism, Yes it looks good for him to be
so for Puerto Rico, but I'm like, he really is
doing that, like he is like for the culture and
he's outside.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Like one thing I've.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Learned coming back and forth between Puerto Rico, what's the
expression can you tell me my partners in the room?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
But how did you say it? In Spanish pertot.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Which means everybody is everybody's in bed with everybody? I
have like and I'm not exactly I've not been in
bed because I am loyally monogamous.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
But so what did you say? You said that bad
bunny is is out, he's.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Outside like people everybody knows each other, like I would've
learned going back and forth between Puerto Rico so many
times this year, is like every like it is a
small island, like it's a powerful there's like or something
happening that like we're able to like amass such a
following and like have community in so many places and
like be such a loud voice in such a small place.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But everybody does know everybody like it.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Truly, I am like one degree separation from Bad Bunny
on like multiple accounts, like my designer for the show art,
which hopefully I'll be able to release this coming week.
Well obviously by the time this episode comes out, the
show art will be out. But I'm working with Nannette
who did the Choli Residency art for Bad Bunny.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
My good friend who's gonna be the first episode of
the show, Doro Melendez Barrio and his wife rosantea Ertiz.
They worked with Bad Bunny to do the visualizers for
his albums and their academics and the academics. I am
good friends with somebody whose cousin is like one of
Bad Bunny's main directors, and now we're in contact, we're chatting,

(43:20):
so it's like it's crazy, like he really is for
the people I say it to say, he's outside, he's
outside in the community networking with real Puerto Ricans and
he is really doing the work.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Like well, the presidency was like, oh, yes, bring it back,
said that I was saying. It was like it was
practical in the sense that it was like, there's fucking
and there's there's a violent assault on brown people in
the mainland of America. Yes, I'm not touring there. Yeah,
and putting those people in dates absolutely come to me.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yes like that, and it's I feel like Puerto Rico
is a safe haven for a lot of like migrants
in the United States who can't go home. Yeah, because
it is a US territory, so they can legally travel
to Puerto Rico and experience like a Latin culture when
they can't go back to their home countries because of

(44:10):
their citizenship status or whatever. So I find that very
beautiful that because it is like Puerto Rico. Yes, they
speak English there, but all the signs are going to
be in Spanish, and Puerto Rico, the locals do not
want to talk to in English.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
They will look at you with full disdain that.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
You're not speaking them in Spanish. And yeah they are like,
it is a Spanish, a fully Spanish speaking country. I
don't think a lot of people understand that. I think
they think, well, it's like Hawaii and it's like, well,
that's why he had the song about Hawaii, because he's.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Like, we don't want to be like Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
We don't want to be a state and then end
up with our culture being like American.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Washed, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
But to talk about the shows, yes.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
You guys know, I'm behave down. You guys know.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
You're about to say something.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I'm about to say something crazy. It was better. It
was better than and y'all know I had pit seats
for Cowboy Car of.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Course, I know.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I remember the lead up.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Yeah, I was in the in the nose bleats of
dibitis and I had a ball. It was the best
concert I've seen in my life. Wow, it was so
much fun. It was like the whole energy in the room.
It was like a true party. And honestly, what was
really beautiful about the show. Everything was really cheap, like

(45:24):
like the food and drink and everything. He did not
mark up. They did not mark up for the locals.
They really kept it very affordable because like, we go,
what do we went to Madison Square Gardens.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
He Sabrina two drinks. It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, yeah, I got two drinks fifty bucks terrible.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
You know, I was able to get drinks for everybody.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
It was fifty all you know and Fraser and I
think it was like it was truly like twenty of us.
It was like over it was. It was three figures,
yes for drinks, for drinks.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Whereas like we were able to feed me my mom.
I also brought on a to Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
For the show.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I remember that you guys had because we're.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
A producing team. I love that you guys have become
such friends. Oh yeah, that's my bestie.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yes, girl, because my girl, but no, I took her
with and we had such a ball.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
It was I did get COVID. I did fully. I
will say I totally got COVID like the concert absolutely,
Like it was totally fine.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's nice to get it somewhere memorable. It was like
I got it in Mexico City.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, it was. It was bad because I was like,
there's no way this is the flu.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It was like because I am because you were.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Like one hundred plus fever. Like I was.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Like, we were at a restaurant and I was like,
I don't think anybody believed me. I was like, I'm
heading south, but they're like they're like, you haven't eaten
all day and I was like, because I am sick,
I can feel my body is like actively shutting down.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I was my fever was so bad.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I was like, because a lot of Puerto Rican homes
are like concrete or tile, I was laying on the
tile because I was so hot, Like I could feel
myself sweating and like nothing could break my fever. But
it was worth it. It was bad money, it was
worth it.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
It was worse for you to sit in the nosebleeds.
And because his show is so like it's it's the
tone of it is so warm and inviting and it's
like a bath. He's like, yeah, the fact that he
can convey that to you, like up in the nosebleeds
and bring you in that is I mean that he's
such a perfect show.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Again, it's such a cool venue because it reminds me
a lot of Barclay Center, not that it's easy to get.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I don't like going to Barkeley Center.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
I do enjoy a show at Barklay Center because I
do feel like there's not a bad seat at Barklay Center.
And similarly, it touly it was like there was not
really a bad seat, but it was very cool.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Because he had two.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Stages right, which I'm sure everybody knows is by now,
But it was cool because where we sat, we were
able to see both stages very well, so I didn't
feel like I was like missing out on anything from
being in the nosebleeds, like we were able to see
like the main like stage that looked like al and
then the house stage was the one that was like
kind of in front of us, so we couldn't see
the front of the house, but the cameras were facing
so like you could see it on the prompter the house,

(47:58):
so you weren't missing out on that house.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
We were there the day. What's the movie he was
in with?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
No, the other one?

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Uh, the the cos there when the cots stealing.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
People were there.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh fine, it's Butler.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But and he so like he was obviously he did
all these viewers after being like I was high on
ship out an edible he did like when you were
actively watching it, you were like, oh my god, he's
trying so hard to be cool, like it like looked
like he was like, yeah, I'm like cool he was,
But instead he was just song and probably like INTI
that he didn't speak any Spanish because like when the
perell started, it was grat the way people were grinding

(48:41):
in every aisle, to.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
The point my mom was like, y'all grind and I
was like.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Carol d absolutely not. You are my mother. I Am
not like gonna pereo in front of you. This is
this is not what I was taught growing up. At
the end of the day, you raised me in the South, we.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Didn't raise in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
All of a sudden, her what came out and I
was like, love Orlando and I were like, but.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
You're like, okay, now you see your parent as they
have been, as they were.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I was like, oh, this is who you were. I
was like, you went out, my dad, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
That's fun.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
But yeah, it was. It was a time of my life.
It truly was like such a like eye opening and
heartwarming trip because that trip also we went to LaSala Libre,
which was like this project done by Mikey Correro, who's
one of the first interviews I do for the show,
but he is part of this project called Asparico, which
is bringing or not bringing, but highlighting the stories of

(49:35):
Dasperricans like those Porto Ricans and the Daspara that are
making a pilgrimage back to the Puerto Rico and building
a life in Puerto Rico and kind of highlighting like
the struggles but also the beauty of like reclaiming the
island and how difficult it can be because you can
feel very rejected, like I am.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Definitely saying like this felt very rejected between people who
are who live there and people who don't.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
But you have to like kind of build a thick
skin and kind of get over it and know you
are building something for the greater good of Puerto Rico.
I think when I had visited Puerto Rico younger, I
was very intimidated by that.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I felt very hurt.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
But now that I have more knowledge about why the
people Puerto Rico feel that way and like what I
can do to be it's almost like gentrification, right, It's like,
how can I be of service to this community instead
of like actively gentrifying it. And so I think you
have to, like with gentrification and people being upset with
you about being in the neighborhoods, you have to like
take it on the chin and then also be like
how can I actually help you, know, like I have

(50:29):
to live here or I have to be here or
I want to be here. So how do I not
be a parasite to this community? How do I be
a part of the good in this community? And so
I think I've become more comfortable in my skin and
being Portourian. I think if I ever nailed down my Spanish,
I'll no longer feel like an outsider.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
But my Spanish is still masclementos.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah. Well, language is so interesting because I've gone through
stages of this with the Mandarin of it.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
All, and like do your parents be English?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
They do.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, they are trying to like like get me back
on the path of like let's just keep it to
Mandarin between us exclusively. And I got to say, going
to China this past summer, I was like, ooh, like
this is this is like just the way, this is
the means of communication literally, and of course that is

(51:23):
the most important thing to preserve. It is also something
that like is completely on your own pace because your
brain is your brain.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, you know what I found out as an adult.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I'm super dyslexic raly yes, and I have severe ADHD,
which I'm sure maybe you guys knew.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I didn't find this out until this year.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
You've never represented yourself as being thank you out of
control with your attention.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Well, yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Because all my friends were like, girl, you didn't know,
and I was like, no, I was never diagnosed until
this year.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Not the friends being at brunch. People's funny. I would
never think of. I would never think of.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Literally every one of my friends was like, we thought
you knew, and I was.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Wait a minute, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
But I'm also severely dyslexic, and I found out there
is a correlation between like struggle with learning language and
dyslexia because I've always.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Struggled trying to learn Spanish.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
I have been taking Spanish classes since I was in
seventh grade. I even during COVID, went out of my
way to pay for like a really expensive program Spanish
and bena. I guess it's not that expensive, but it
is like I spent my own harder money to pay
for a class as an adult to try to learn Spanish,
and I still like I understand it a lot more
like I feel like if people were speaking to me,
I can pretty much pick up what you're saying, but

(52:36):
I totally freeze, like communicating back this.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
This is what I did before before this China trip
was this is not an ad prep lely where it's
just like one on one like video lessons where these
tutors are so good. At least you know the Mandarin ones.
But I'm sure this christ applies to all the languages.
It's like they they will very gently guide you back
to being like, so you just said this, and you
actually meant to say this, and let me write that

(53:01):
down in a document for you, and I.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Will be because language, and then I can't spell.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Anything right right right.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I often say my words wrong.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
I didn't even figure out I was dyslexic kill I
was dating my partner. We were dating probably like a
year or so, and I was like looking up somewhere
we were going and I was like reading a street sign.
He's like, that's not what that said at all, and
I was like what And he's like, are you dyslexic?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
And I was like and then I got tested and
I was.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Like, oh my god, I am, which honestly makes so
much sense. I always struggled with like different things in academia.
I was like always a really hard achieving student. But
I think that was just like my own familial traumas
and expectations, so.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That was that was a different kind of pressure exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
So it was like I I succeeded out a survival,
but not without intense challenges. And I definitely had remembered
flagging to many people being like I am struggling, Like
I alway struggle with critical reads, even though English is
my favorite class, and I like always was an amazing writer,
but a reader, I was always struggling. And so many
doctors though as a woman, as a woman of color,

(54:07):
I think as a child, they just like dismiss you.
They're like, yeah, yeah, but like you'll figure it out.
You have good grades, so like there's nothing to worry about.
But then in reality it's like it's now I'm looking back,
I'm like, oh yeah, it was so prevalent my issues.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
There's like a fundamental thing. The other thing about language
is it's this like raw opening you sorry for people
to like for people to like assess how much of
the culture you are part of. And it's so interesting
because you understand it on some level. But it is

(54:44):
the thing of like I don't know, like.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Well, I think a lot of people hold on to
the language because it is so attached to your culture,
and so to look at you and you don't speak it,
it's like almost to be like the privilege you have
to not have not learn our language because you are
in these other spaces and you're able to navigate these
other spaces. And I think the not knowing English is

(55:08):
like also attached to like not just your assimilation, but
like your socioeconomic status, like your.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Ability to.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Blend into these different circles that they do not have
the same privilege. So it's like I have much more
empathy now to those who have given me.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
A hard time.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
But I will say for many years it was a
deep rooted, like ough like pain of mind that I
did not know and something I like held against my
parents for many, many many years.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
But now with enough.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Therapy and age, I'm like they were doing their best,
you know, Like I can't fault them for the choices
they made to hopefully give me a better life. You know,
it was a conscious choice they made to not teach
me Spanish, but it wasn't like out of malice, you know,
And I have to remember that totally.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
It's like being a beneficiary of a system or a
circumstance that you had no control over. It, Yeah, and
that you did not design yea, and you all you
can do is just have an understanding of like where
it all comes from. And the fact that you're doing
this podcast, going there seeking out people who will we'll
be able to like fill in a shade of knowledge

(56:18):
for you.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, is like I mean, this podcast, it's been I've
had this idea for many years. Like I actually got
my job at iHeart because of this podcast. In a
little like circumvent way. I Heart did this fellowship that
our producer Anna created, call Next Up about four years ago.
I had seen it because I was a listener of
the Daily Zeitgeist and heard an ad for it. And

(56:42):
at that time I was an advertising still and I
wanted to get out advertising.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It was Covid.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I had these big dreams. I was like, I can't.
I mean, it was radicalized by Covid. I was like,
I cannot be selling ads for there were my life.
This cannot be for me.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
But I had worked on this podcast at the agency
I worked at in Portland called Anchigo's and it was
a woman to color travel platform podcasts and it was
really fun. We had won an iHeart Award at an
independent show which was really cool. But I just was like,
looking back during COVID all the things I enjoyed doing,
and I was like, I liked doing that, I liked
curing it, curating events in Portland.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
None of the things I.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Enjoyed doing had to do with advertising, So I was like,
how do I get to do those things? And I
knew I had to be a producer of sorts. But
then before all that, I hear the ad and I'm like, Okay,
I think I'll just pitch a podcast idea. And so
I had two ideas. One of them I'm like, oh, well,
that was such a stupid idea. But one of them
was this Puerto Rico podcast. It didn't look the way

(57:36):
it looks now, but it was like, oh, a podcast
about the history of Puerto Rico. That was like my
soft pitch because the application didn't require you to do
like a crazy pitch. It was like getting people who
were not in the industry to be in the industry.
And so I had applied and I didn't get it,
and I was so.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Don't worry. Don't worry because what she had said, because
I remember I was talking to I'm pointing to I
don't know but I had talked to you about Becca,
probably like a like six or seven months ago, just
about how amazing you are. And she was saying like
that you were in the fellowship, but it became so
clear that you were overqualified. Omost immediately yes, So then

(58:15):
you became our producer.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Yes, because basically I had bullied Ana entiring me because
I was like, this is going to change my life.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
This is what happened. I was like, this is this
is going to change my life.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I was like I know in my heart, A heart's
like this is going to change my life. I need
to like figure this out. So I had applied it
and get it. I email Anna and I'm like, hey,
like why did I get it?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
There was some mistake.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
I was like I was like please, I'll do anything.
And then she was like you're overqualified.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Oh that's why.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
But I still tell you that when you don't get it,
nod too many people.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
She had, she had so many people to notify because
then I helped out the next year and I was.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Like, I see gotcha.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
I I was like, okay, well, if there's any way
I can like work here, like this is what I
dream and so on, and I just stayed in conversation
for months and finally she was like, I actually am
hiring a part time producer, Like that was the offer.
They were like, well, I've been begging for help. They
finally greenlt me to hire a part time producer, and
so I had submitted something to like be in contract,

(59:14):
and then they were like, you know what, let's just
hire you full time. And then and then and then
I became your host.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Producer and we're we the first and only show you.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
It was you and The Daily Zeit guys, because I
feel its a lot of people when you're hired on
the LA team, you end up on the Daily Zeit
guys because it's a well oil machine. It's Jack show,
you know, the head of development, and it's I think
a great intro show for anybody because it's daily. So
you really are just like from the beginning having to
like be on it, work it, figure out what's going.
There's all these moving pieces. So it was you guys.

(59:46):
It was Daily Zeike geys. And then I had hopped
on in a couple shows that like you know, had
one to two seasons. I did Blair Sockey Show, which
was like a lot of fun. I did this is
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, December twenty one.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I just we met you on zoom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
We met on zoom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Zoom. Do you remember your first episode of Last Culch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I don't remember the exact first episode, but one of
was a virtual Julio Taurus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yes, because at that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Time, his uh, his little oh what's it called location
scout was scouting my apartment for Problemista.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Oh my god, yes, because like I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Remember going downstairs one day and I see this little
crumpled up note in like the cinder block that we
used up prop the door open, and I was like,
and I clearly nobody else in my building gave a
funk about this like note, but I was so curious
and I was like, what is this? And so I
pull it out and it's like this typed out letter
that's like, hello, I am working on a project for
Julio Taurus and we would love to use the second

(01:00:47):
floor unit of this building.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
And I just know well and and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
So and it was like, please contact whatever whatever and
mind you. I had like a really kind of like
interesting landlord at that time. He was this older man
who was like an ex cop and like it was
a small building. It was like only four units, and
he definitely like operated like a cop, you know, he was,
what that's time, Yes, okay, yes, yes, And so it

(01:01:16):
was like a black owned building. It was like all
black tenants, and so I think he like thought like, well,
like I'm helping you guys out, you help me. But
it was like very like con like between the two
of us, this relationship that I was like, why do
I feel like I'm like talking to my dad every
time I talk to you, that I'm like gonna disappoint you,
and that you're mad at me all the time and
I can't ask you for anything. It was very strange,
and so I knew that he would not bite like

(01:01:37):
doing this. But I texted the second floor because it
wasn't my you. Now I was on the third floor.
I texted the second floor guys because there are these
two young guys who I think work in tech and
they were smoking so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
We'd our apartment small like we'd but I text him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
I was like, yo, like they're gonna pay you to
like run this unit. He was like you should do it,
like this is cool, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Never reached it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Yeah, but I could tell that that that s where
like what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
My unit was supposed to be filmed for in the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Based on watching the movie, I was like, oh, this
scene is in Bedsteye and definitely this scene was meant
to be my apartment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Like like like where he goes back to the apartment
like all of his roommates.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
No, no, that is the scene with the guy who tries
to hire Julio.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Oh yes, yes, yes, to clean his house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, to clean his house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yes, yes, his house. So yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Also a Loss Spookies fan, like yo, I'm I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
So, I was like so excited when I saw that,
but I was like, I, it's not my unit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I can't really do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
And I was like and my landlord is definitely not
going to buy about this. So I was like, I'm
not even I'm not touching this with Tempa Pole. But
I was like, in theory, this was very cool. It's
a thing that happened to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
But and for that to be one of your first
episodes of Lost Coast, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And then I was like, oh my god. And the
Julio because I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
A fan of Julio for years and before that, I
just think he's such a fun and interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I love like the weird Latino community.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I think he represents like the weirdos in the Latino community,
which I love because I was like, I think when
you are a misfit and wherever you grow up, you
end up leaning in this emo world, which I was
like a full emo, like like warp tour, going topic
like like black eyeliner, tumbler girl, straight bangs like emo.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I want I want to meet that Beca. I want
to I want to meet sorority back up er. We
haven't even asked. Were just shooting the fucking breeze. You know,
we got to ask you the question, Beca Ramas. What

(01:03:43):
was the culture that made you say culture is for you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, okay. I have two kind of leaning into the emo.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
They're both leaning into the EMO, and I kind of
just mentioned one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
The first one is Twilight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Do you mean the books? I mean everything, everything Stephanie
Meyer was a weird walk for you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Yes, yes, I because I was never a Harry Potter
by my brother was big Harry Potter. Even my parents
like read all the Harry Potter but it would.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Be a slight generational thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Yes, my brother and I are only a year and
a half apart. I think though he was an early reader.
My brother is kind of he's very very smart. My
brother's like stupid smart, like like maths savant, like double
major and engineering and math like he is like we're
like this like like no Ven diagram oil water in
terms of how our brains work. And so he was

(01:04:34):
like an early early reader, and he loved Harry Potter,
and my parents started to read Harry Potter because they
wanted to make sure that like the books were like
okay for children, so they read them before and then
they fell in love with them. But I was like,
I tried. I read the first book like three times.
I was like, I can't get into it the movies
because of cinema, but you know, I couldn't get into
the books. And now it doesn't even matter because she's disgrace.

(01:04:54):
So I feel I feel dedicated. Not that seventy Myers
any better, but you know, she well, she's just like
deeply Mormon, and I think there's you know, it's not
as black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I say, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But what was it about Twilight?

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I think it is inherently pretty horny for a young
girl they're reading it and because I actually, okay, do
y'all know that she wrote another book during COVID, except I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Think I had heard this and it was not it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Was It was called Midnight Sun and it is a
star Larson.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Wow, it's a mirror.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
It's a mirror of the first book, Twilight, but from
Edward's perspective. And I during COVID, because we were in
lockdown and shambles, like conspiracy theories that happening on TikTok,
people were like, why do Stephanie Meyer has a website
up and a countdown? And sure enough she was selling
the book during COVID, and I pre ordered it on
Amazon just for shits and giggles. And then one day,
three months later, it showed up out my door and

(01:05:50):
I was like, I didn't order anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I forgot how to order the book.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
So I read it during COVID because I had all
this time on my hands, and then I was transported
to like eight or ten of your old backa and
I was like, I should not have been reading this
because it is like the power dynamics at play. It
is like, as an adult with like a fully formed brain,
You're like, no, it's like weird that this hundred year
old vampires into like seventeen year old you know, Christmas

(01:06:16):
sewer Bella Swan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Right, Like you've been manipulated by men older than you
as well, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
And so you're like, oh and but like as a child,
who is like at this time in my life, I'm
so like, I'm boy crazy, right, hormones are crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
But also no one likes me. So I'm like, I'm
hormone crazy. I no one likes me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
So I'm like reading this book and it's like this
deep love story where it's like you're convinced this control
is love. Right, So you're reading this like codependency, and
you're like, it's so romantic. He's so enabbered by her,
like he's just like his her smell is so intoxicating,
like she can't be with anybody else. You know, as
a child you're like, oh my god, that's romance, And
as an adult you're like, that's dear to be consumed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
That actually sounds kind of good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Yes, And so I was like, and I think I
also just like really love that fantasy realm, Like I've
never been into like sci fi, but like true fantasy,
like the vampires, which like that was my le I
liked that type of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Stuff, supernatural, supernatural.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yes, I natural your girl, but.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yes, I loved all the supernatural stuff. And then the
movies come out right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
And they're cold classic.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I was at the premieres like I was Midnichael, Team Edward,
like aggressive team Edward.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Maybe I just had a crution on Robert Pattins.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Saying we'll look back fondly on those movies now, like
even rewatched a sequel.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I take a rewatch every fall of all them, of
all of.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Them because it's fun, especially Twilight specific, because Twilight was
an indie production and it is a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Remember those soundtracks Alex Pasabas music supervisor, f Form, the
oc Grays Anatomy, incredible sound American.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yes, yeah, absolutely underrated, so good underrated soundtrack and like
mind dude. This is also then connected with hot talk
every floods hot topic because you know Parmors in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
The sound draft, this hot topic your second culture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Well, no hot topic was just where Twilight lived.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
You're talking about to the mall.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Culture emo.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
You know, I think if you were like in the
if you were Twilight heavy, you were also very emo.
It was just kind of and then my second culture Tumblr,
and and you were deep on the tumbler edits.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You were deep on the shirt list Edward.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
But this is a remember I remember an image of
him like walking out into daylight. Yes, that broke the internet.
It was one of the first examples I remember of
the internet breaking. It was like a leaked image of
Robert Pattinson with no shirt walking out of I believe,
like some sort of cathedral or church into the sunlight.
And everyone was like, can can we breathe? I don't

(01:08:48):
think anyone I can breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I can breathe. I was you love you were teams
I was, I were down.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
I did not give a fuck about Taylor Lawner. I
was like my my friends were I think team Jacob.
But I was like, I'm team out because like the
romance was between Edward and Bella, Like if you're reading
the books, the actual love story, love love story is
between the two of them, So I think I was
a very romance spear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
It would be like being like I like Gail in
the Hunger Games. It's like we all know Cantinas and
Peter are going to be like exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
But when you say tumbler culture, Yeah. Do you do
you agree with the following statement Tumblr had monoculture or
do you agree with this statement, which is Tumblr was
different lanes. We were all in our different like it
was at the beginning of like the Algorithm, where it's

(01:09:43):
we all have our special corners of the Internet. What
do you think it was all streamlined in one.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
That is a hard question because I do think it's
a little bit of both. I think as Tumblr became
more mainstream, it did become like there was a idea
of what tumbler culture is and tumbler aesthetic. But I
think at the beginning, if you were on in like
twenty ten, like I was, then it was very silo,
which it's almost like why I think gravitated TikTok when

(01:10:07):
TikTok kind of took off, because it was kind of
feeding your algorithm. And same thing with Tumblr was like
I was following these blogs that like were like these
different fandoms that I enjoyed, and I was reposting. I
was reblogging those things, but I also was like writing
on Tumblr. Like I was never Tumblr famous, but it
was like a true outlet for me as a young kid.
I am left handed, so I'm not very good at writing.

(01:10:30):
I was never taught properly to write, so and I
think my undiagnosed ADHD. I had a hard time pen
to paper. My brain was moving faster than my handcut,
so I would type. I would like write in ten
stories on Tumblr, like and more like like biographical memoir,
like journal entries, but like I was a journaler on Tumblr.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I was writing, writing, writing a heartbreak, like all these
different things going on. I would love access to it.
Oh yeah you do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Oh yeah, only I think I've shared with one or
two people my whole life my Tumblr, Like I'm like,
do you know it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
You've seen it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
He's special enough, but it took years in stating for
me to give it to him, Like years, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I told him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I was like, what's opening your heart? When you tumble,
you open your heart. That's real culture number of thirty.
When you open your tumbler, you open your heart.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
No, it was because like it is like fourteen year
old me sobbing on the keyboard about like my first love,
you know, like it is like intense the things I
would write on there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
But yeah, but like in fan fiction on tumb reposting,
it is like the key thing on Tumblr that I
think are re sharing what was it called reblogging blog?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I mean it's all the same ship.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
They all all the tech companies remade the same terms over.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
They are rereading red between. But reblogging was interesting because
what said tumbler apart from I want to say, like
blogger like my Space, my Space, let's throw it all
the way back to fucking zanga. Ya's like, oh, there's
a rate of like pro liftferrate what one person puts
out there, whether it's an image, meme, video, anything. Yeah,

(01:12:06):
Like Tumblr kind of like gave the right like delivery
system for like what would come and like TikTok and
then regressively somehow Instagram, how Instagram became like snapshot.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Because now also but on Instagram now you have the
carousels or are doing the screenshots which are basically the reblogs.
Literally some of them are screenshots of reblogs on Tumblr.
Because on Tumblr, I think the beauty of it other
than like other forums, was like when you reblogged, you
could like add your own little clip to it and
then that goes viral. Yeah, all the notes it's like,
oh my god, you got eighty thousand notes she's crazy

(01:12:39):
but never made.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Yeah, I was never find hard to pop off. Honestly,
I was like I kept that shit to myself. I
liked Tumblr.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
I think in the way that I enjoyed TikTok for
a while that it was very like, uh, I could
hide behind it sure, like people didn't know my Tumblr.
Like it was like my tumbler wasn't your profile, it
wasn't your face. It was like, you know, whatever my
Tumblr url was, and like whatever I wanted to, I
could be whoever I wanted in this blog space.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
So I like the anonymity of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
And that's how I viewed TikTok for me, because I
wasn't following people back or anything. I was just re
like reposting whatever in my own feed, and I liked
the anonymity of like I could have content without following anybody. Yeah,
I could just like be fed things that I enjoyed
and like, no one needs to know that I'm on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, similar to the way I was on Tumblr.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
But but I guess me asking those two separate questions
earlier is like I'm not I'm still My thought is
like oh yes, wi tumbler feels so romantic because it's
like TikTok is purely.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I mean a mess.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
It's a mess, and it's but it's it's cool, but
it's also like completely individualized in the algorithm, and sometimes
there's moments of like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
There's not a community on TikTok where there is community
or was on Tumblr. But I think with Tumblr that
was also really interesting is yeah, you have these monocultures
where it's like the on a delrays the skinny, like
the red pil skinniness. So of Tumblr, like where you
were like being fed to be like thy gap culture

(01:14:10):
and like all these if you were a girl on Tumblr,
it was like depending on what side of tumbler you
were on, really rough like cause and I was like luckily,
I mean now, I am a very curvacous woman and
I am proud of that. But I wasn't growing up
and I was naturally very like tiny, like I was

(01:14:31):
very skinny, so I didn't fall susceptible into the skinny culture.
But because I was already luckily, it bene fishery of it.
And I do think if I was the size that
I am now, then I would have been wrecked. But
that was that was Tumblr culture, like the Dancing, the
Skinny Girl, the ballet, Like. The goal was to be
as like slender and emo and like cigarette Like I

(01:14:53):
wanted to smoke a cigarette so bad as a Tumblr,
but I like to have my deep anxieties.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I was like, I can never go up being the
kind of person that you were in high school. No,
because your parents could never have found out the cigarette. No,
I'd be murdered, the worst thing in the world. But
I wanted to I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
To be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I wanted to be like Alana Race cigarette smoking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Are you a Lona Giry? Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I was a lot of girly, absolutely like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
And but I feel like I was Lana a little
bit after the mark because I was so emo for
so long on Tumblow, Like I was like deep pair more.
I was like in these bands that like were touring
Warped Tour, like Mayday Parade and like, uh, I don't
even know other like uh, Black Parade, my Chemical Romance,
Panic at the disco, We're like okay, Like that was my.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
World for Katy Perry when she was on warp I
went to work.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Tour in Katy Perryes, I worked to her that was
a lot of fun. And then she like, I mean
she was with three oh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Three her whole first album, not first album, because the
first album was the Christian one under Katie Hudson. But
then the first album is like one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Of the boys, I was there, what's the other ones?
Cora Starship?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Is that good girl's God with Lton Sir?

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
No, that was me for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
And then I probably hit the Lana streak when I
got to college.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
So what is that like? Ultra violence? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Like, what is it? Cherry Cola? My eyes are wide
like Cherry pap love that I was and I saw
her at a city limits.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Yeah, because I was an a c L girl for
all of college because like, if you're in college, I
think it's a right of passage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
If you are a college student in Texas, you have
to go to a cl That's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
When we discovered Lana del Rey on this podcast. You
probably were in the corner, like cheese this fucking christ.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
I was like I was on some random dude shoulder
because my boyfriend at the time abandoned me to go
to a Texas Baylor football game. Different boyfriend, by the way,
but I literally we bought tax a cl took out
as a unit, me, him and his roommate and they
were like, we gotta go to the coach football game.
And I was like, uh, we're here for a cl
and they're like, we're just gonna go to the game

(01:17:10):
and then we'll meet you later. Of course there's no service.
It's like a different era of phones connectivity. I phone dead,
couldn't access anybody, didn't know how I was gonna end
up where I was gonna end up, and so I
was just like, well, I can't have anxiety about this now,
I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I run.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
There some man who flew into.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
A CL because he had like he was like a
festival junkie, had all these festival ristbands.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
He saw me standing there, my little five two ask
couldn't see ship.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
He was like, do you want to get on my shoulders?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
And I was like yeah, So I saw Alna del rayan,
some random I think British man's shoulders.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
It was kind enough to let me see the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
That man was Robert Patton.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
And if only it was Robert Pattinson. That's a dream,
a girl.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
I bet I bet you that this fucking guy and
all his friends couldn't tell you a single thing now
about what that fucking game was. Like, you're not gonna
don't ditch ACL for a game? Yeah, I mean so,
So the podcast comes out February third.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Podcast comes up every third.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
February third is the day, and so like, how many
episodes do you have? Like, like, where are you at
with it? This is a big it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
I mean, like I had said, this idea came into
fruition in summer twenty twenty one, and I had put
it away for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
A long time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
And then as I became a better producer and I
felt really confident in like my skills, I was like, Okay,
I think it's time for me to like redevelop this idea.
And I did, and I pitched for a long time
and now we're here, And obviously now four years I'm
making is incredible. But February third, I already have four
episodes done. The first episode is going to be narrative.
It's gonna be very vulnerable, it's gonna be me telling

(01:18:48):
my story. Why am I making the show biographical? But
from there it's gonna be talk show. So I have
three talk show episodes recorded in Puerto Rico. It was
very important to me to come back all the way
to that to record the first few episodes in Puerto Rico,
because I want the listeners to understand this is a
diasporic experience and that I think as a New Eurekan,

(01:19:10):
as someone who's Putrican lives in New York. It's very
easy when you say you're doing a show abut Puerto
Rico that people assume it's about New Yorkans and New
York Puerto Rican culture because New York is such an
important piece of Puerto Rico. But I wanted this to
be a bridging of the diaspora. So I wanted it
to be intentional to be shot partially in Puerto Rico,
to show that, like I am coming there, I want

(01:19:33):
to bridge this gap. I want people to know that
this is what it's about. And I interviewed Jorel Melendes
Barrio and or Santiago Ortiz. They're both professors, authors, incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Folk to talk to. We talk about a little bit
about the history.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
The connection of the states and of the island, and
then also we get a little bit into the connection
between Puerto Rico and Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
I know that's hot topic right now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
We're not going to get into that on this podcast, but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
There is one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
But I don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I do think this is what I wanted to start
talking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Yeah, no, but it's it's even outside of like the
current events of it all. There is historically a strong
connection between Venezuela and Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
And Jorell is a historian.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
I want him to talk about that because I was like,
it's so relevant right now, like people need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
And then the second episode is with Ali Marifuerra and
she is a writer, like a culture writer, but she
has lived in the Daspara between she went to grad
school here at NYU and I think somewhere in Boston
or no, not at NYU, but she went to grad
school in New York, I think Upstate, and then also
in Boston and now lives in Puerto Rico. She's doing

(01:20:50):
a boozy book club in Puerto Rico where she's trying
to like build community on the island. And she's also
just so smart, she's so funny. She taught me about
the Socialist college in Perto Rico that had no idea existed.
It's like one of the only publicly funded universities or
schools because I think she went there from like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Middle school through college.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
It's one of the only publicly funded schools in Puerto Rico,
and it's also the only socialist school, so it's like
one of the only schools that talks about liberation of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Puerto Rico, like history of Puerto Rico.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
A lot of the school's state side and in Puerto
Rico do not talk about Puerto Rican history, and that's
purposeful because the less we know, the less angry we
are for the freedom in liber region of Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So Alan Marie was great.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
And then I talked to Mikey Cordero, which I already
talked to you guys about, and all the amazing, incredible
activism work he's been doing. But he's also from Bushwick originally,
so he's like kind of like slowly throughout his life
rebuilt this connection with the island, Like he grew up
spending summers in Puerto Rico, and then eventually he became
a part of this giant activist artist group in college

(01:21:55):
and then just stayed in Puerto Rico, and like well
slowly was I think spending more time split between New
York and Puerto Rico, and now he lives fully in
Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
But yeah, that's amazing. I mean these are also these
are all such like three sixty narratives on diasporic experiences
within the Puerto Rican community, where it's like it just
it comes just radially from all angles and it just
converges back very beautifully, like on the Island where you
got to talk to them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Yes, And what I really wanted to do with the show,
I wanted to show that like kind of filled a
gap I needed growing up where I felt very even
though I was fully Puerto Rican, I never had a
question about being Puerto Rican because I had.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Two port Rican parents.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
But I think just being somewhere where there is no
Portrigan culture, I did feel very removed. I felt almost
like I think a lot of mixed race kids feel,
where you're like I'm neither this nor this, Like I'm
living here, but like I'm clearly othered by everyone around me.
But I also don't feel like Puerto Rican enough, And
so selfishly I like build this podcast to meat really
dope Puerto Ricans doing really incredible shit for the island,

(01:23:00):
for the community, for the liberation of Puerto Rico, and
just like highlighting what they're doing and like the incredible
art they're making and yeah, and then I get into
like their badrio stories, which are like moments that they
felt like they really connected with their identity, like the
first time they recognize they were really Puerto Rican.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
I feel like mine.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
One of the examples I have is like I was
asked to be in this kinse when I was fifteen
by this person who was Dominican. We were not friends,
Like she was a classmate of mine and we both
knew we were like Latino, but we weren't really friends.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
This is in Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
This is in Texas, and so she was like, I
want you to be my kinenessa because she didn't enough
people for a kinse. But then like in joining her kinse,
I got increasingly bullied for not being Puerto Rican enough.
And I'm like, you asked me to be here because
you needed more bodies, and now your whole family's gonna
bully me for not being Poturin enough. So then we're
in the hair salon getting our hair done for these

(01:23:55):
keense photos, which mind you being a part of Kanse
is like being in a wedding, and I did not
know that because this is my first can say, and
so then I was like, okay. And now all of
a sudden, my parents are mad that we're spending all
this money to be in this woman's ken say that
we don't really know this family that we don't know,
And I'm texting my mom because these women are ferociously
bullying me fourteen and in Spanish also, and I recognize

(01:24:16):
it because my mom also chose to speak in Spanish
when she didn't want me to know something. So I
was like, the tone I'm hearing is making fun of Becca.
So I'm texting my mom like holding back to yours,
like everyone's being.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Fun of me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
And because I don't speak Spanish, and then she comes us,
she's like where are you? And so she comes barreling
in and she's like, nobody will make fun of my
child for not being Puerto Rican enough, for not speaking Spanish,
and she's yelling at everybody in Spanish, or I think
she started yelling at everybody English, and she's like, and
I can yell at every band in Spanish because I
speak both languages and so that she started yelling at
everybody in Spanish and then she pulled my.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Little ass out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
And then she looked at me later and was like,
you don't have to do this. If you don't want
to be in this kiinse, you don't have to be
in this kin se. And so then I didn't. I
went to work to her.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Yeah, and saw miss cat Kate and I probably did
see Katy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Perry Katy pre But yeah, that was like a moment
where it was like, Okay, being being Porto Rican was
like very important for the story. And so I wanted
to hear more stories from other Puerto Ricans of the
DASHPA that were like, what was a moment that was,
whether it was silly or serious or whatever, that really
rooted you in your identity and made you like the
boutiquo you are today.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
And then yeah, and then they.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
Give me recommendations of other art and cool shit that
Portorigans are doing. I ask at the end of every episode,
I want to hear from them, like, who do you
think is really cool? Like give me a recommendation of
like a book you're reading, an artist you're listening to,
an exhibit you're going to so that the listeners can
also like find.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
This other stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
And also I guess before that there's a cheesemake corner
called cab where I just asked them to bring in
a little bit of like Chief May, whether it's serious
or not. That's how we kind of talked about Venezuela
because when we recorded that, I had just landed right
after they had closed the airways of Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
They had closed for twenty four hours, you know, because.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Of everything that happened, and so I was like, well,
the perfect person to have on to kind of talk
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
And so we talked about it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Uh, one of the guests we had talked about her
cheese May was actually like her piece. She was like,
I'm not in the cheese May, and that's actually my
cheese May, which was like a really interesting take. And
then we on one of the episodes talked about Romeo
Santos on that New York Times podcast. And I won't
get into it here because I get into it plenty
over there. But yeah, so it can be as like

(01:26:34):
serious as Venezuela or as silly as like you're protecting
your peace and you're like, I'm not going to be
in the mix because at the end of the day, Puerto.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Rican sis student and size bed, So you gotta be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
There's enough drama twin. That's how that's Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
No, It's like I started, like when I found out
that expression, I started asking everybody I saw that week
and they're like, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
And You're like, so, who have you And they're like,
there really is workout.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So this is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
I mean, it's so validating to like hear that from
you guys, kings of podcasting, and also to be here,
to be given this seat to talk to you guys,
is like, I couldn't be more grateful, honestly, like a
big brainedd it was like, I can only do this
when I feel as the perfectionists I am.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I was like, I must wait till the perfect time
to release this podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
And I do feel like now more than ever, even
though this podcast has been in my mind for four years,
Bad Bunny really did like put Puerto Rico on the
map in this way that kind of gave a lot
of opportunity to the people I'm interviewing to be the
platforms they are because like a lot of the people
I'm interviewing have been doing this work, and because of that, Bunny,
they now have a new platform to like high tail

(01:27:48):
their work to the world. And I'm so excited to
be a part of that movement, to be a part
of those conversations and Esubefishally, I'm like just really grateful
to be making you know, a lot of new friends
and like meeting port Rican's They're making me feel at home.
They're making me feel like I have this extended family
because I didn't grow up with a huge extended family.
We're pretty removed from my extended family. So it's been

(01:28:09):
like really beautiful to build this like new kind of family.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah, that is beautiful. Congrats on like doing this thing.
And it's also like you're going to enjoy every second
of it because it is your interest, it's your culture.
It's like it's it's just perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, I'm very excited. I'm very excited for you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
A listen right there, baby, but you can watch the
trailer and listen to it out now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Listen to you. You're already doing this well, you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Know, it's funny. It was like it's almost like I've
been behind the scenes for years. You guy as my
partner who produced helped produce the episodes we did in
Puerto Rico because we couldn't book a studio space because everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Was on vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Because if you know anything about Puerto Rican Christmas is
the longest Christmas of any coming.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
It's like a month long.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
And I did not take that into account when I
went to Puerto Rico, uh to try to capture some
content because I had never visited Porto Rico during the winter,
and I was like, no, everyone's truly like check the
fuck out. They are like not doing anything. So my
gracious partner, who is a video editor and producer by trade,
set up our whole setup in like two different airbnbs

(01:29:17):
for us to record these episodes and make them happen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
They're not going to be fully on YouTube, but they
are going to be clips and all that stuff. But
that first episode was so nervous. Y'all like a lot
of editing in that first episode because I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
But we all do it, we all edit all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
We gotta edit. But I feel much better now now
I'm here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Now you're here, the hearts over you you start, but
I'll still.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Be your listening and She'll still be here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I will still be producer. Becka of loschesays, I'm not
letting that go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
No. One of the things characteristic of Law School Teresa's
episode is, of course, I don't think so honey, So
this will be your first I don't think so much.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
So let's just like if you forgot for some reason,
will m It's a sixty second segment in which I
don't think so honey gets said, and it gets meant
about something in culture and I got something because you know,
we got to get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
We got to get into it. This is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think so many time starts.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Now, I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
That the tallest and fastest roller coaster in the world
is at six Flags Kadilla City in Saudi Arabia. So
I'm not going there to going there to go do that,
and that's a shame because I am interested in it.
It is over, it is over six hundred feet, toll
is one hundred and fifty five miles per hour. The
layout of the roller coaster actually goes into the natural

(01:30:46):
cliffs in the region. You have to go online and
just low key incognito moti if you really don't want
to thirty seconds, but just take the POV of it
and watch people doing it. It's fucking insane and it's
just Soudi Arabia. So I'm not one of those people
that's going to be like, shoulder shrug, let's go. I
ain't going, but I will say it looks like quite

(01:31:09):
the ride, and I don't think they're are going to
be able to one up it because I don't think
it is. It is a bespoke coaster built into the landscape,
So I guess you know, if it's if that's for you,
go off, it's not for me. I'm watching from home
and I'm disappointed about it because I would like to

(01:31:30):
rocket ship off, blast off, warped tour.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Into a cliff that's one minute. Have you seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I've seen it one again. Book a world record.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
It doesn't it's not even a it's it's clear away.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Far away. It looks crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I have to look this up now. It's completely absord
go that far.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Of course, this is my thing with coasters, though, it's
like we're plateauing. Once you hit a certain threshold of
like speed, heights, drops, whatever, it's like it's basically the
same velo the coasters. You So then what happens is
what you need to do is you need like your
bespoke elements in order to make these things extra special.

(01:32:09):
In this case, it is a bespoke element in the
landscape in Saudi Arabia, So we can't be going there. Yeah, yeah,
but I would say, like, I don't know, I guess
I look to like the Alps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Now they is just a it is a faint whisper.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Still still never understand fear of horror movies, love of
roller coasters.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
I don't know. Like I I think sometimes it's just
the idea that I'd be trapped in a room watching
something so I can't move.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
What about the idea that you were on a speeding
vehicle that people sometimes die on?

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
But I think I think it's scarier would be being
in that country. I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I'm talking about just people are afraid of roller coasters,
understanding because something is happening to them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
I can I say something. We're more likely to die
right here right now than on a roller coaster from anything.
Because I a roller coaster. I am protected on a
roller coaster I am. It has actually been battle tested.
These things are like they you know that for an
order for a roller coaster to run, it has to
do something like a thousand continuous hours without incident. And

(01:33:25):
so it's like how they say, like when you're on
a plane, you're actually safer than you are in a
car because this is something that has been proven tested
as over to be safe. Otherwise it would it would
be crazy to let it or put it into action.
So you are safer on the velocy coaster then you
are walking the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Is that no regulations? Because I feel like growing up
being in.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
Aster World and water World, sure they were definitely not
safe at all.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
I mean, yes, I think that what was it welcome
to was there's there was a there was a There
was an HBO Max documentary a couple of years ago
about a particular water park which was like known for.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Like yes, I know what you're talking about. I don't
remember where it is, but yeah park a park, Action park,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
So basically it's action park and it's it's kind of
an interesting documentary because it's just like bodily injury was
almost a surety.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Yeah, it was a day to day Yeah, but that's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Not how it is at these at these big ones.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
I bring this up to sort of synthesize all of
this and say, I don't know if people who've died
from watching a horror movie, and I think you're safe
for watching a horror movie than.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
For sure. So is so important because you got me there.
But I will say I do feel like I'm gonna
die more when I'm watching Welcome to Derry.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Okay, I watch.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Yeah, so all my friends decided to watch to put
on it Welcome to Darry the other day and I
was like, okay, well you want to do this more
than hang out with me though, because I am leaving,
and they were like okay, see yeah, all right fair.
It was Stephen, Dave, and Jared and I was just like,
you guys really pick the show over me. They were like, yeah,
we want to watch it. I was like, okay, I
guess I'm abnormal here because I will have a heart

(01:35:19):
attack watching this. I will see myself out. And I
think I went home and watched like I don't know
could maybe I tried to watch Beverly Hills this season
and was like, this is boring. It's rough, every every
every opportunity, like this is an invitation to enjoy the
genre weapons. Doing well at a ward Weapons is really
Great is an invitation to enjoy the genre. Well, I
told you I did watch it by force because the

(01:35:42):
person in front of me on the plane was watching.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
You didn't watch it. You didn't you didn't hear the sounds, see,
and that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Makes me feel like the sounds are like it sounds
the soundtrack was released.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
There's just one moment where the soundtrack is one moment
where the sounds are terrible. That the facetab yeah yeah, yeah,
I'm not even the face stabbing, not not even with
my Tomasa I see, I know, or something else.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
It's just like I just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
I mean, Terry so haunts me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Little diva head, come off, Little diva head, come off.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Fucking love that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
You actually can get your little divahead. Come off. Merch
on the store. It is an evergreen item until yeah, right,
which at this point, why not come are you ready?

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
I'm ready? And this is gonna This is gonna upset
people in this room. People in this room, this is
bowen or they'll feel validated. Oh god, yeah, this is
bowing youangs. I don't think so honey his time. Sorry,
now I don't think so honey, toxins. How can you
be so cute and so damn loud, so damn loud

(01:36:50):
at the same time. It's such a fucking raw deal,
isn't it that the cutest dog breed there is, in
my opinion, is also so easily angered, so damn cute,
and yet so fucking loud that I would go crazy
and go into psychosis. Thirty seconds there was a beautiful

(01:37:13):
docs and named Nut that I knew in college. G
n Ut Nut, so cute, and then I realized, oh
he's crazy. Shea she's the most beautiful dog I've ever met,
just a legend, and she actually I don't find that
she just very well behaved. And yeah, you guys, as
the owner know it's you know something besides me, everyone

(01:37:35):
in the room, this is this is this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
She's a bad legend.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
Tortuous tension of doctions is that they're so adorable, but
fuck are they allowed? And so so so tough? Is
the scream just really hits you Primarily you're like, that
needs to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
No, okay, I'm not upset with you, because you're not wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
I made the mistake of getting a dogs in and
now it's become my personality. But if you ask my partner,
he doesn't forget her. I mean every day that we
made a bad choice, would love we We love Chicha.
She is our tyrant, she is our overlord. Yeah, she
runs the house and she has a lot of rules.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
What you do today? What are the rules? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
She doesn't like it when one of us is traveling,
or if we travel at all and we drop her
off at daycare. She hates staycare and she makes everyone
at daycare hold her the entire time because she doesn't
like to play with the other dogs because they're beneath her.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
And oh god.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
She also just like I think, is sad and she's like,
I need someone to cut up with me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Twenty four seven.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
If I'm doing my makeup for too long, like today,
she will start circling me and then barking at me
because I'm not sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
She can't sit in my lap. She's like, you're already beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
She's like, you're already beautiful, and you're taking up my time,
which is for my lap. So she she doesn't like
it when I'm spending too much time doing getting ready.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
She doesn't like it when it's too loud.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
So like at daycare, they send me a video of
her barking at all the other dogs were playing too loud,
like they're doing too much. She doesn't like it when
either of us travels. She'll be like a real like
bad dog. When we're one of us is gone, like
she'll just start acting out, like barking like crazy, being
very reaction bad and then famously lately the crazy thing.

(01:39:17):
Because now I have two dogsins one of them is
good for the most part. He's a full size standard
wire hair. His name is Jack, and we adopted him.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
We only kept his name because it seemed like he
really like responded to his name because we got him
as a puppy, like he was like eight months when
we found it. Yeah, I was like, it seems like
he really learned Jack. So I was like, Okay, we
have Jack and we have Chicha. But I will say behaviorally,
those the full size are much better than the minis.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
The minis are the bad.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Man, but they're so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
But Jack is a little bit more dense than Chicha.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
She just so smart. I don't smart.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Well, I was gonna say they fight over this on
Bone often, and she has now gotten so smart will
she'll like rile Jack up and act like someone's at
the door and start like barking, like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
My god, someone's at the door.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
And so then Jack will be like, oh my god,
someone's at the door, and he'll start running to the door,
and then Chicha will turn around like she'll like run
with him to act like oh yeah, we're we're chasing
the door, and then she'll turn around and swoop the bone.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
For Traders season five, No, she would be a perfect
addition to Traders because she she would.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Be jamming out with Lisa on Canvas right now. She
would have big plans.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
She's so manipulative because Jack, he just wants to do good.
He just wants to be loved, He wants to be
pet and he's a little demanding for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Doesn't seem like a German dog, right, it's just so
like and.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
She just particularly loud. You're not wrong, Like specifically, I've
been told by many people like four docks in, Chicha
is loud, and people think she because her bark isn't
just loud, but she has like a big girl bark,
like behind the door. People will and they'll be like,
what the fuck, Like that's what was boring, Like we
thought a big dog was there, and it's just like
a little pound three inches off the ground, big pod,

(01:41:09):
little thing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Sabraina carpenter. She's a little package choice exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
So you're not wrong, though, and I respect your choice.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Well, we know that Chicha is. I don't think so
honeying all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
She absolutely She's never letting me not know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
It's time for you. I don't think so, honey. This
is a moment in time. Are you ready.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
I'm ready. I'm nervous. I don't know why, but I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Okay, this is Becca Ramos's I don't think so, honey.
Your time starts now.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
I don't think so. New York City apartment hunting, Okay.
I have lived in this city for six years, and
I don't know if the landlords are scared of them
on Damie and they're making it harder.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
For you to get an apartment.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
But I have never in my life had such a
hard time finding an apartment than I am this year,
in twenty twenty six, I've already applied for two apartments
and been declined. One of them said, my guarantor didn't
make a hundred times the rent.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
And then the second one they were like, you have
two dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
Absolutely not after I have a deposit down, which meant
they should not have shown that apartment to anybody else.
They considered other people and let it go, and they
told me I was a perfect candidate. One apartment told
me that I was approved and then declined, like it
is insanem here. It's also crazy that like it's expected
that in one month you're supposed to find an apartment, move,

(01:42:20):
pack your shit and like whatever. It's it's crazy because
other places they know, the landlords know three months in
advance that you are leaving that place, so they should
put the market three months in advance.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
That's what you're overqualified.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I overqualified and their mom, I took a deposit and
then took the.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Places have taken a deposit and decline the apartment they
did to get a back. The second one, they're being
a little shady about it, but luckily I put on
my credit cards, like cancel the payment.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
That's all real.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yeah, it's like and they all these landlords are trying
to be or maybe not landlords but the realtors are
trying to be like, yeah, this is no fees, isn't
that great?

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
And I'm like, no, that's the law now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
That don't make me feel like you're doing a favor
that it's no Like it was insane. It was inhumane
beforehand that I had to have three times a rent
just to put down on this apartment. Don't actly you're
doing me a favor now that I don't have to
do that, But then you're also not giving me apartments
like it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Absolute fucking hell. Yeah, I'm so sorry that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
I will find a place, but yes, you will.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
It's insane because I have lived in Texas in an
apartment and I've lived in Portland, Ore in an apartment.
And obviously I'm not even talking about the price point.
Those are different cities. We live in New York. We
live in a New York price point. I don't even
care about that. Yeah, it's like I could find an apartment,
like sign a lease three months before my lease was over,
you know, because it's like you have to tell the landlord, hey,

(01:43:41):
I'm moving ninety day in advance, and they're like okay, cool,
assuming that they would they do with that information is
put on the market. No, they won't put They know
which apartments are going to be available in three months,
and yet they will not release them until the month before.
And it's crazy because it's like, how is it expected
that I'm supposed to hopefully find an apartment by January
first to move in on February first, Like in that

(01:44:03):
month you have to then pack your stuff, get rid
of stuff, move.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
Yeah. It's insane, but you know what, as a result
of this, I don't think so, honey, you're getting a
You're getting you're getting a mansion.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Someone give me an apartment please in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
We're moving you in on We're moving you into Gracie mansions.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
That'd be gorge I'm like, I just need someone to
let my two docsins in. Please.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
They know they're loud, but they're cute and they are
good and they will love you fiercely.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Just let me let them in as.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
We love you fiercely. And we've so loved this episode.
I mean, just like, I know that this is going
to make the reader's tickled pink and February third.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
February third, Welcome to a Barrio stream on all platforms,
and right now you can tune in on ig you
can find us out Welcome to a Barrio on TikTok,
and you can find me at bex Ramos wherever you
can find.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Me, and the tumblr that there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
If you find it, honestly, congrats if you find it,
you deserve to read. You deserve to read it if
you can find it, because it's not under my name,
so I'd be shocked.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I have googled myself and many times hasn't come up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
So okay, I keep googling yourself and stop that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Can I can? I give you a.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Disaster trust because I was what featured on Daily zeit
Geist years ago, like when I first joined podcasting and
I had the audacity to look myself up on Reddit
and I made one comment about a pop star that
I'm sure everyone can assume.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
And it wasn't even that bad. I apologized immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
It was like, don't come for me, and then it
was like she hates women, So I know better. I
will not be googling myself after this venture. Now that
I am a public personality, I will never google myself again.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Just in time, Just in time.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
We end every episode with the song.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Myes a Lie like cherry By.

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