“Wordsmith” (w/ Candiace Dillard Bassett)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look may oh, I see you my own mind and
look over there is that culture. Yes, lost culture, dig
down last culture. Rasta is calling we. So here's the deal.
We're we're speaking to you the day after the Academy Awards.
And so it's now a world where we can say

(00:21):
Academy Award winner Michael B. Jordan, we can say Academy
Award winner Amy Madigan, we can say all these things.
But there's highs and all I can think about today
is the fact that there's an award winner with us,
a Record of the Year winner.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The inaugural Record of the Year winner. That part it's
which you. I'm sorry I have to call you out
because Lata Lata Tory.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Call you out positive positively.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You had to as if she needed a reminder. You
were like, we do this thing called the Culture Awards.
If you like you don't want to be a part
of that. And I was like, Matt, you're talking to
a Culture Award winner, a Record of the Year.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
We're starting to tease this year's Cultural Awards. Maybe our
guests will.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Appear, perhaps a traitorous return, chance for chance to dream.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Suffice it to say that this has been a moment
highly anticipated. We've been so thrilled with the sort of
resurgence of our guests on our screens because the screens
have lacked. But I'm saying about our guests.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
But she, and we'll get into this, but like she
never went away. Meanwhile, this so this woman was giving birth,
heard of it, heard of it, raising a child, and
lest we forget, while she was promoting deep Space, she
was getting.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Her fucking mba.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, like she like this, This woman doesn't pause, you.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Know, accomplished revenue streams. Learn from the guests, Learn from
the guests. I mean if.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, if only you knew, if only you, and
after this episode you will know, so you may know
our guests from again an iconic turn on The Traders.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Prior to that, Real Housewives of Potomac, a storied legacy
on that show and a fabulous singer. We were streaming
Deep Space. You should be to the new single if
only and again it needs to be said and stated
and remembered that drive Back is the song. When I
heard it, I was like, wait, it hit on something

(02:23):
deep in why I love music.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
We were watching the music video from the trailers on
the Fire Island movie.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes we were.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It was a part of our part of the Lord
and the process. It was a set song. Okay, yes,
she's We're so honored to be here. This has always
been a basset Hound podcast. Yeah, everyone, please welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Cand of still looking guys direct.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Look at these you know Visa, They've they've been through
some things. I think I spilled like some something on them.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
But you know what, they'll give them miss to here.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yes, they have a you got I like, I'm plotsing,
like I just say, you all are so famous, your
famous bitches.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
What does that even mean of you?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I can't, I just can't. I'm like, I'm in off.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
First of all, I've never been so excited to go
into the watch what Happens live clubhouse than when we
were off. I know you really had.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Time and from there I got to see you perform
show in DC.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, the only time I got starstruck and nervous and
almost my words, no, you did you mess up? First
ballot in the show. Have you heard of Christmas? I
sang the second verse as the first verse, and I
was like, only I'm gonna know, but.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Damn it, we did not know.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
I had such a time like yes and like.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Y'all are famous.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
No no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Listen The Wicked of It, The Wicked of It.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, link and you'll freaking miss me in both of
those films.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
You are there, if you have to pause to look
at you and all your glory, we know.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, I don't know if we've told this story on
the podcast yet, but we went to Japan and we
were at we we had this amazing experience of a
geisha dinner in Kyoto. So it was like these three Geishas,
who were they live the life.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
They live the life there. They're completely off the gaard.
They take their phones away for like the entire seven
years that they trained to be Geishas. Like they don't
have really much interfacing with the quote unquote like outside world.
They like, they're like Jedis, they're monks. It's like a monastery. Yes,
but basically yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
She one of them was like, I know you and
ran and got the little Wicked book and had him
sign it, and then before we left, she goes, this
is my treasure fame.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Listen, that's famous.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
You know what though, Like I feel like you experienced
this too, because the thing about housewives And then Bravo
at large is a listers come up to you and
completely gag.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
It's so strange. Yeah, it's like, why are you watching
this foolish, but they are like it's my escape, It's
how I unwind, which I love. I love that Housewives
is this thing that like people go to to like
forget their troubles.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, because I even right now, I must say being
in the same space as you is really powerful and
I'm super like she knows this. I so I have
my thing with is with Housewives. Yes, I really. I've
seen every single famous person and in the world come

(05:30):
through the halls of thirty Rock. This is extremely different wild.
This is like I'm like, I'm blushing, I'm nervous.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I see it.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I call it like you're because Chris blushes and' like
you're turning White people read.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Like white people.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
This is yellow people people read like, no, you got it.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
It is such a phenomenon that like I still don't
get because I'm like, these bitches are just regular assholes, Like,
are just regular people writing memoirs before they're supposed to
write memoirs, hiving tables and cussing, and I'm like, we're
not doing anything but just stirring up dust.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But I think like, okay, we're saying before the mics
went on, and we will go on record to say this,
like since your departure from the show, this this, this,
you know, Potomac, It's like I have a hard time
watching it because I am not finding a foothold sort
of morally narratively, like, because I've always held the same

(06:33):
side as you in terms of the people that we
let's just say we dislike I've got, I've gotten I've
got a little too hard in the pain for against
certain people. And it's it's the reasons that they.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Give you, many reasons.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Don't just don't get fined for liking the wrong tweet? Fine, fine,
so I don't get fined.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
No, no relegiousness, No, please don't.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
No, it's you know you you you leave those those
people who shall not be named, Yes, where they belong.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Exactly the curve. But then tell me this in a
post reunion of Traders World where Rena is doing front
facing videos in the car being like, it's so nice
that we've all come full circle, that we're all friends now?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Is this mostly.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
True for me on my former cast.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Not of Potomac, but if Trader Traders is.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yes, Oh my god, the best vibe. Like when I
was leaving, I was like, I love your guys.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
And even like.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Immediately after, like when we all got home, we were
all on the phone, like we weren't supposed to be talking.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
We were on the phone like.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So what happened and like when did and how and
oh my god, and who was a trader we were doing?
And they were all like apologizing to me, which you know,
saying sorry, they didn't like pick up my crumbs. So
it just made me feel like, Okay, I'm not a
blobb idiot. I'm not like crazy for writing down Rob's name.

(08:04):
People were just like we should have listened to you
and blah blah blah, and it just it made me
feel better about the way that things ended. Yeah, no,
I'm I still talk to Tara. I talked to Johnny,
I talked to Mark.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
We saw her, so we were in Milan doing some
Olympic stuff and we saw them together just the sweetest
like Tara and her Tara and her kids. Like it
was just very sweet to see like them together because
it's like a real genuine friendship with Sarah and Johnny.
And then her just being like a mom running around
with her kids, and then like seeing her like dressed

(08:42):
to the nines that night, like doing it all.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
It was. It's amazing, Like even in the castle, they
don't know who they thought they were fooling, Like, so
you were not fooled, you know, Yes, I mean I
knew before, but like I didn't say anything, but it
was weird that they were kind of not who they
are because they're always holding hands. Yeah, and I'm like,
why aren't they holding hands?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
And I really And then of course I realized later, Okay,
they're trying to like play a different game. But like
I say all the time, I love their love. Like
that is such a such a beautiful friendship.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, it's also the thing of like when two people
don't want you to know something about their relationship, they
are moving in a way where it's like, okay, why
are you guys ignoring each other? Like it's like when
people don't want you to think they're a couple. Yes,
and you just have to at some point be like
are you what looked at her? Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, it was weird, Like we know most of us.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Knew too, Yeah exactly, Yeah, I mean, is it confounding
because I feel like, what is happening now with a
lot of traders discourses, A lot of the cast has
to come out and be like, guys, it's a game.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, everybody needs to chill out.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. And you know what's crazy to
me is I know the Housewives fandom. I know that
we are you know, we get a little little rowdy,
it's a little bit, yes, yeah, but the gamer those
people they need a box of cryingles. Yeah, they just
why are you crying? They were just really emotional, like

(10:10):
just I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Think they're expecting the dimension that you guys bring to it.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I think because they are so cold about the game. Yes,
once they're reminded like that there is an option correct
to have an emotional angle. Yeah, you're like totally caught off.
You know who I still struggling with that Natalie Anderson,
who I stand from Survivor and then all of a sudden,
there she is surrounded by all this emotion.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
It was just like, yeah, this is a different way
to like play a game game.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
There's more than a way to skin a cat. Like
you you can't just like think that you all are
like the end all be all of gameplay because we
are good at this game. We being housewives, we're good
at this game and we do it with like a console,
a full bee and a heel and our edges.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Like, Okay, you're sweating. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
There's a difference.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, like you said that, I took some convincing for
was an NBC or Suet Lambert to be like you
would be great at this, but you're like, I'm running
around outside if there's flies, there's bugs, I'm not like
what was like what took you over the yet what
brought you over my.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
So I'm still really close to my NBC executives and
they were like, we just think this would be great
for you and it's just a great opportunity and you'd
be great, And I'm like, why why I want?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
The whole time, I bet they were like.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Oh, I never asked I wanted to be a trader
because it's like, okay, I'm going to play the game,
Like sign me up for the game. The game is
called The Traders. I want to be a trader. But
I was just like, m I don't. I don't know
why you want me to see me run up a
hill with a bale of hay or like.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Slash around where you say it like that and we
do want.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
To see Yeah, no, but I didn't like, you want
me to submerge my koochie in this murky water.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
So it wasn't registering. But I was like, hey, you
know what, this is a challenge, like I can I
can do something hard. Yes, it's pageant maybe, yes, it
is a little bit of pageant brain. It's like, Okay,
this is a challenging moment. Let me like train a
little bit aka like watch the show and like take
notes and learn like the you know, the riggors of

(12:12):
the game, and then you know, go in there and
get on stage and do a we turn.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes, just a little bit of this. It's also type
a person, which I'm assuming you are. It's kind of
like they give you a challenge and even if on
face value you're like no, it will sit there yes,
and it will be like yes, now I'm living in
the world where I'm not doing this thing, and yes, right,

(12:38):
the voice says you got it right?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yet if only yes, only so then you're saying that
like when when the when? When they're texting you like
why we should have followed the crumbs that you left,
like you're saying, oh, I'm not thankfully, I'm understood. Was
there an internal thought where you were like, oh, did
I make a mistake? Like, because I want to say,

(13:03):
you played it brilliantly the entire time, Like Matt and
I are watching this being like she is, she's like
up there with the survivor gamers.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have known. I feel
like you were playing it as yourself. People were like, yeah,
oh the thing about it, because here's the thing is
like I knew from watching you for years and knowing
you that Like I was like anyone who knows Candice
knows that trader or faithful, she would have come in
here saying the thing. Yes, yeah, and so you have
to be right and you couldn't have done what Eric did, yes,

(13:33):
which is sinking the back.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Right. Yeah's a trainer. Yeah, yeah, No.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
I I didn't go and look with a strategy.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I went in like, Okay, let me assess the room,
see who's here, and then like figure it out as
I go. And it worked until it didn't. But no,
and to answer your question, I felt good about my choices,
and I felt like in the moment, I made the
right decisions for the situation. But I felt like when

(14:02):
I when I found out that rob one, I was like,
so wait did was I not clear?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
You guys didn't pick it up.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
I mean these were like huge crumb the whole oreos
like not even crumbs, brisk off disc off cookies.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
You wanted to delta one, have a handful.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Crumbl and leave them. Y'all don't like cookies.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Was like, I was like, the thing about Candice is
she's if she goes, she's not going to go quietly.
And you didn't you But that is the power of
let's just say it, a tall man with the eyes
that look like that and that floppy little hair. I
really think they were digmatized.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
They were. I mean, it was a really brilliant social experiment,
and I think that it did a great job of
holding a mirror up to society like this is this
is life, this is this is how it is in
real life.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
The mirror is ugly and shattered and fucked up a
little bit. It's a bad mirror.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
It's society tends to get digmatized. It's actually real culture.
Number twenty society tends to get digmatized. And now that's now,
that's in the rules forever.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Somore, I'm screened.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
We're just saying saying, but that moment, that moment between
you and Rob, that that's that seems so cinematic. I'm
not saying it was produced or anything that I'm saying
like that was.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
It didn't feel like that. No moment, It did not
feel significant.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
No.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I was literally just like, okay, I know, you know
I'm about to be packing by things. I knew, I
knew it was happening night, and I said, okay, so
as I'm as I'm packing my things, being my bags,
I'm clearing this desk and that one, I'm taking this
plant with me quote the agent African proverb from our uncle,
our uncle Denzel. I'm leaving here with something, yes, okay,

(15:57):
and this something is my dignity in my pride. Okay.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
So I'm clear this desk and you go hear from me.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
It was really just like I'm gonna make sure you
know that you will be shaking in your boots all
the way to the end if I have something to say,
and and but I didn't. It didn't register that it
was going to become this like huge moment.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Vocal point in the in the season, in the Yeah,
so in the tur your last turret with you and Rob,
because you've been saying, uh in interviews that like it
was the choice between murdering Coulton or recruiting Kristin. Yes,
and you were just convinced even in that last turt
that you weren't going to make it to recruitment. Is
that is that? Is that what? No?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
I So it was just like, Okay, I can either
recruit or murder get rid of Coulton. Either one would
be good for me. It didn't matter, like I really,
but what I said was my regret was that I
didn't push harder to recruit Kristin because I when he
said no, I was like, okay, fine, let's just do Colton.

(16:55):
And I do wish that I had like pushed her.
But my my my worry was is we would be
at a stalemate and then neither would happen and we
would just leave the turret with no murder and no recruitment,
and then it's like, Okay, now we're in limbo and
we got to keep the train moving.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's so hard.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, like that I watch it and I'm like, again,
you see, like, for example, Maura at the very end,
seeing how gaged she was, how hard I can't want cracked.
In that moment, I was like, that is truly, and
then I felt bad because she was really internalizing like
I'm a dummy, like I'm a fool, and I was like, no,
I really think it's exactly what you said.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
It is truly mice in a little maze. It's it says.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Something about the human brain that I think we haven't
seen a reality show say in a long time. And
that's why it's so interesting for people.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
And yet and I love Maura, but Maura, she I
wanted her to wear a thinking can.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
We just need to find the designer one? Yes, I
think we need to find one a designer.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
I said it a million times. The Faithfuls needed to
go to Faithful School. Yes, they didn't pass a single class.
They need to go to summer school.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Would you do an All Stars or another like competitive
reality show?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
If Traders does a and All Stars and they don't
call me, I'm riding.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
This is what I know.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
We really do.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I don't. I don't see another show like this that
I would do, like I'm not doing the challenge. I
don't want to do House of Villains. I don't want
to run anywhere else. I would run in Scotland because
I've done it already, and like terrain, I know the terrain,
but like I don't, don't ask me to sweat no more.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
That is tough because it's not just sweating.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think the thing that would bump me. And they
approached us for the show. They did, yes, they did.
What do we do what? I feel like we can't
go on together.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
It's a Johnny situation. Because we cannot go on together.
It's a matter of doing it or and or doing
it together. I don't think I think at this point
where like we'll do it. I don't think we can
do it together because they're gonna knock us out.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
No, not necessarily, like you, well, you guys probably can't
play that. We don't know each other game, so you
lean into it. Yeah, exactly, they don't know like you.
There's no way they're gonna think you're both traders. You're
both like they don't know. Like the combinations are too,
but we're voting there right right right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Here's what I think though, and tell me if this
is possible to happen, okay, because I do think it.
The worst thing that could ever happen is you go
in with like a relationship that you have and they
make one of you a trader and one of you isn't.
And then you're like, fuck, I'm now burdened with this
because I have this person sitting here who knows me
really well, not just like we've met, I've seen them around,

(19:49):
you know, we were on a say, the same series
or whatever. It really knows you. Yes. Do you think
it would be possible for you as the trader to
go to that person or is this against the rules
and be like, I'm a trader if you just maintain
this ruse that I'm a faithful and I'll recruit you later.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Is that against the rules?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Then then, but I'm not to say that it can't happen.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I thought the only rule was traders can't out other
trader can't be like I'm a trader and Rob is
also a trader, Like.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
You can't do that either, right, I thought that was
the only rule.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, you you can't, like, if you're a trader and
you're a faithful, you can't like like do telepathy and
be like I'm a trader.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, so you have to go right away.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
But what you could do is you find a way
to recruit him later. So you just have to play
the long game. And you all are actors, you could
do it and it would be fucking hilarious. You would
know right away if I was a trader.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Okay, so bad, but that's good TV.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
So you find you go, you skulk off to the billiard,
the two of you, and you give that you like
do like one eyelash and then you giggle and then
you go back to the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But nothing happened. You think maybe there was some eyelash
winking and giggling happening in the in the in the mansion.
She's indicated, she's indicated.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
I cannot say the pearls are clutched.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
What I will say is that I know what I
was told, and I was told that somebody.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Was told that it was somebody told this great Yes
I was.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
So there were many phone calls when we left the castle.
Coulton was one. He called me and he literally was like,
among other things, he was like, yeah, Rob told me
you were a trader. Ah, So I mean what do
you what do you want me to think?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I mean you can once you're once you're explicitly
given information, you then can't be mad that the person
is said I was given this information?

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Now was it told?

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I was?

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I was under the impression that it was like said
within the confines of the game, because you can say,
like I feel like Boen is a trader because he
was like scratching weird, or he sneezed funny, or you
give a reason. So I was waiting all season to
be like, what where, where's the evidence? And there was

(22:17):
never a moment. So I was like, Okay, this is weird.
And I'm being like dragged and hung from crosses and
wearing scarlet a's and t's on my.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Chest because you are accusing.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
No, I'm literally just like processing information I was given.
But crucify me, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
You are one of the great verbal processors. I really
really are.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Wait hold on quickly, we got to go back to
a box of cry and goals. Why aren't we.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
So there there is movement, Yes, it's not not happening there.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, this is so exciting. And then did you so?
And I'm sure you've talked about this before Are.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
They pre folded? Where do those?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Where are those coming from?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Are you I fold them? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
They're beforehand or as the tears are coming.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
As they're coming. I'm like, I'm swift, I'm quick with you. Yes, yes,
I'm at work, I'm doing side work.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah. Now there there are situations like right now in
my purse there is one folded.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Okay, find them everywhere emotional.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Well, because I save them because it is a lot
of work and sometimes I just you want to have
one ready, so I probably have one in like every pocket.
Like I was doing laundry and you know when you
like put tissue in the laundry and it gets everywhere,
it's like, ohh a crying.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, the casualty of the laundry is this is prepping
them beforehand. Like mom brain, now is this a new thing?
Ever since the baby or.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Mom brain would dictate that I wouldn't be doing shit
because I forgot.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Did that happen? Like did like once mom brain sets in,
like how did you change?

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Oh my god, well I'm always sweating.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's like, is this postpartum? Is this paramenopause? Is like
is the devil trying to smite me, like what's going on?
My My edges fell out, so I was fine, and
then all of a sud I woke up one morning
and just like bald right on my sideburns, they were
just gone. I was like, this is who is writing
this book?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
This is terrible.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's not good. I think your feet will grow, that's
what happens. I think I'm into now because I will
still I'm going to shove my foot into my wire.
I don't give a damn my he will be hanging
off the edge. Which I think my feet grew a
little bit because my shoes are a little more snug
some of them. What else you pee is not the same.

(24:46):
You can't hold it the same way. You gotta go
right away. And and I have a beautiful boy, Yes,
the best, most perfect boy everything.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
He's so cutee. But then you went on this like postpartum,
which I didn't realize. Were this this like wonderful necessary
thing for new mothers where you're like, yes, go and
like the retreat convalesce.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yes, yeah, Sanu was the name of the retreat. It's
in Tyson's Corner of Virginia. They are like when I
started hearing about these retreats years prior and they were
only like in New York in LA and I was like, well,
how do I can I like close up my COUCHI
and like run to New York after I give birth

(25:33):
to the baby, Like how do I do this? And
then they Sanu opened one in Tyson's and we partnered
and I was we were there for like four days.
They give you massages. I had like like engorged breasts,
and they have this this Chinese medicine doctor that came
and like gave me all these herbs. She literally like massage.

(25:56):
She spent an hour on each breast. Wow, just massaging
the milk out because it was stuck and it wasn't
coming out. And that's you can get mestitis, which is
an infection, and it can you can die from my
possmidum is getting.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, though I feel like no one really understands or
because when you're growing up as especially as a boy,
growing up, Yeah, it's just like oh woman, Andy, it is.
And then you become an adult and you realize what
you have to go through and you documented so much
of it on the show too, just in terms of
getting progress.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yes, and that as another layer like when you are
dealing with fertility issues or like me, you want to
provide insurance for yourself by freezing eggs or embryos. That's
another layer that you're adding on top of that, because
now there's this physical part where you're having to like
give yourself shots of hormones. You have reactions to the hormones,

(26:49):
you have emotional physicals. There's all these reactions to this medication.
And then when after I got pregnant, I had to
do ten weeks of something called progesterone and oil just
to like tell my body that I'm pregnant so that
the baby would stay. So for ten weeks, I had
to give my selfie shots every day. At the same time,

(27:10):
I traveled my whole pregnancy, so at least four times
I had to give my selfie shots on an airplane.
And one time I took a video of me going
in the bathroom and it was like turbulent. So We're
like no, We're like bank head bouncing while I'm trying
to squeeze my ass and stick his needle in. It
was like what is going on? Yes, the trials and

(27:30):
like the women that do this because they have no
other choice, because you want a baby, you want a family,
this bad. I'm like, we are literal superheroes, we are wizards.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Of I also think that's one of the things about
Housewives that I think is one of the most important,
is the way that so many more people understand IVF now,
Like I wasn't seeing any conversations about IVF, about the rain,
emotionally preparing to get pregnant, baby, like all of that.

(28:05):
I think that because of the Housewives franchise, a whole
couple generations understands this, and mostly gay men that can
now relate to their female friends in a way that
they could not before because of the household.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yes, yes, it's and I think there was like an
element of shame because it's like it's created for women
that cannot have children on their own. That was the intent,
and there's shame attached to that. It's like, why I'm
a woman. My body was made for me to be
able to give birth, that's the thought. And especially coming
from the South, it's like we are baby making machines,

(28:42):
Like that's the thought. So when you can't do this
thing that is supposed to be natural to you, it's like,
what's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
And even if you tell yourself that's not a rational thought,
you still have it.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Like society says, like, you're a woman, you've got to
be able, what are what are you good? Or if
you can't have a baby, that's what the world tells you.
And women who don't want to have kids, it's like,
why don't you want to have kids? And it's like,
because fuck you, it's my uterus. I wanted to say empty,
like that's it. That's also a choice, yes, And there's
just there's so many stigmas attacked. We live in a
patriarchal society and everybody gives a fuck about what the

(29:17):
men say, not the women, and so it's just there
were so many narratives that me talking about it and
everybody else who's had the chance to discuss it, it
just brings it all to the kitchen table. And I
love that my story is like perpetuating all these different
narratives that can be discussed and make it make it sexy.
It's like I always say, you have to make things

(29:39):
sexy for them to then become like a part of
the conversation. And we're now talking about it.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, so you made it's sexy.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
It's sexy needles are sexy guys.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Also, I think it's like just hearing someone else say
out loud these things. Now people are like, oh, now
I at least know how to even say that out loud. Yes,
you know, I could watch someone go through something and
be like, well if I couldn't think of a way
to verbalize that, I now have an option, yep, because
like people don't. So many people are not externalizers like

(30:11):
the three of us. Yes, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yes, And that was it.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
That was another question I had for you prior to Housewives,
because obviously you come on Housewives, it had been an
established thing at that point. You know that the whole
gig of the show is conflict and resolution. Were you
always someone that was comfortable with conflict?

Speaker 4 (30:29):
No, Oh my god, I I always said this. I
came I was a pageant girl. I came from a
space where everybody loved me and I loved everyone, and like,
you don't argue. I don't argue with people. I'm not
like cussing people out. So like people will come up

(30:50):
to me and be like, can you read me? And
I'm like, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Don't you know I did? It would be good right,
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
That is not at all my nature and it's so
funny that that is like who I've become known as,
like during my time on the show is like this
like feisty, like reading person.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Canvas.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, and yes, that is a part of who I am,
like I you know, I'm I can be feisty, I
can have spice. But that's literally just one part of
who I am. And this idea that like I am
the resident like yes, was so weird to me and

(31:35):
it just but it worked because I became I understood
my role on the show totally and yes I was
the spoiled princess who reacted and I'm good at reacting
and I found that Okay, well, you know this is
not my everyday life, but like for the for the
purposes of this space, I can enjoy like reading a

(31:57):
bitch down who tries me, or as I would say,
like if you come to my porch, my porch light
is on.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yuh huh, come in, that's down, Yes you need Yes,
the light is on for you to come in.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yes, I'm also identifying with this thing of like it
might not be natural to who you are, but you
come in and they tell you this is really good.
You're doing really well doing this. Yeah, you're kind of like,
all right, well, I'm getting high marks, so.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm gonna keep going. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (33:58):
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Speaker 1 (34:00):
I never said that. I just said it was good.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
But this is I think this is like a thread
if you'll let me like about you where like people
will put you in a box and then you are
always going to wonderfully break out of it, right pageants, Yes,
Housewife and like like you've you've you've really done a
remarkable job of like going to the next thing.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I'm trying, but you are.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm like, how does it feel? Because I think drive
Back and Deep Space started this conversation among people where
we were like where everyone was like, oh, like these
Housewive songs can be great, Like that wasn't a thing before,
Like how does it feel to have like the first
Like I think you like broke ground there by like
having like genuinely great and loved all the other housewive

(34:47):
songs and you don't you don't have to comment on
that comparison, but it's like these are like you can
have this very like intentional visually sort of like curated
artistry about yourself.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah, that was that was a part of my evil plan,
Like coming onto Housewives, I wanted to make friends. I
wanted to like, I love I'm a pageant girl, I
love a sisterhood, I love fellowshipping with women, like that's
a part of who I am. But I was also like, okay,
like I see what this platform can do if you
use it the right way. I see how this could

(35:23):
be like, you know, a springboard, how it could almost
be like a cheat cod to like break into these
entertainment spaces. That's what I wanted out of it more
than anything else. Is like okay, and even the song
was kind of an accident, Like my first song, I
was getting married on the show, and I always knew

(35:44):
I wanted to perform a song for Chris at our reception.
I always knew that, and I was like, okay, let me,
Like what would I do, and I wanted to do
Tony Braxton's what is the I forget what the name
of it is, Let me be I'm I want to
be your baby. Yeah that song it's from her Libra album.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Culture because I feel like say, oh yes, oh.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes, So I love Tony and we were Chris and
I were at the gym and that song came on
and I was like, I looked at him like this
is what I'm gissing. So then I go back to
the producers and I'm like, Okay, I want to do
this song. And they were like, oh no, bitch, we're
not giving We're not paying forty million dollars for this.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
And I was like, oh ship.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
And then they were like, you need to do something original,
an original. I don't have anything yet, so I had
it forced me to sit down and write Oh I
See You, which was my first like R and B ballad,
but then turned into Rest in Peace Chuckie Thompson, the
Go Go song that it was like my love letter
to d C which is where I became a woman.

(36:54):
And then it was like kind of off from there,
but that's how it started.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, that was I'm getting flashback. That was my first
episode of Potomac was your wedding, and was like, oh
my gosh, this is this is this is the last
I'll say a Potomac is that. Uh. I used to
say this is my favorite franchise because I would hang
out with all of these women because they're funny and
they're they're so dimensional. And now it's like, I can't

(37:19):
say that about these women except except for well a couple.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean, we're stay Stacy for president for president.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
But on the QVC stuff, all this podcasting, I have
to check out our QVC video.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
So crazy because she's my kind of crazy, but she's
she's quirky, funny, and yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
layers there.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And also at the end of her first season, when
it turned out that you know, maybe TJ wasn't actually
her boyfriend after all, come.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
On, I was thinking, see, there's gonna be a school.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Of thought that says, get her off the show. I
was like, this is we have to.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Give me her, yes, and they made their choice. And
then like also the there was a lot of like
because I saw there was a clip from the reunion
where she's they're talking about her QVC stuff and and
somebody's like, well, you were acting on there and there's
just always like a pylon I feel like with her
and so all like and they're they're upset with her

(38:19):
then being the rest of the cast, but you all
made her famous because you you like willfully hated on her. Yes, right,
if you had just ignored her, which she probably would
have still because she's she's she's she's kind of that girl.
But like you helped to like build these yes, yeah,
and you stoked these fires.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Telling I was telling Matt, but like the reunion, like
Annie's bring up the KVC videos and then he throws
it over to Kiana and he's just like like Kierana,
like like don't you enjoy the QVC videos? And she
goes I think she was just like trying to come
up with an answer and she was like that would
be a no, but I do enjoy them.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Did they have beef?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Kan goes after station oh right with the my man
thing thing that was that was a great moment, my thing,
I think. But even in that clip, it's like like
Andy was asking her do you enjoy this videos? And
then Kara goes, no, but I enjoy them. So it's
like she even has to like she had to admit
to be like, oh no, this is the thing that
people love.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
It's because I knew her from our Fox local station
in DC. She used to do like the traffic and weather.
Oh yes at Fox shout out to w t t G.
I was an intern there, so that's my station. She's
she's always been that.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yes, and you can't.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
You just can't deny her.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Some people are just gonna be yeah, they are yes
and some and that is meant for stardom.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yes, yes, of who you are and and and stardom.
We I think it's the time to ask Canna's the question.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yes, So Canda still heard Bassett, What was the culture
that made you say? Culture was for you? This is
what pointed you in the Candae direction?

Speaker 4 (40:02):
So the thing that came to mind. And I don't
know if I'm like if.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
This is now we have to say, like.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Is Tiffany New York collared god bless, like thank you
so much, so much you because they know this is
one of our north stars. I remember just like watching
her the flavor of love of it all and being
like wow, like that's me, yes, yes, just she was

(40:39):
just herself unapologetically no holds, just like I'm going to
show up fully as myself. I don't care what you think,
I don't care what you say. And it was like
I'd never seen that, like a dark skinned black woman,
like living fully in her in who she was, even

(40:59):
if if it was like some of it was cringey
or like weird or there were a lot of opinions,
but like, you don't make history if you're not polarizing,
and she didn't. She didn't apologize the household name literally yes.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I mean you're and you're she's a fellow wordsmith like
you yes.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Oh you know what?

Speaker 4 (41:18):
And I you know, okay wordsmith title, I love my
I love Ama Rosa that line and I don't. I
wasn't even that was that House Villains was Yeah, so
I used to like I used to watch it like
late at night, and I was like rolled over this
way half a sleep when I said, what, I have
to rewind it because what do you mean? I can't

(41:40):
even repeat the words because I'll go to hell. But like,
how do you come off with these things?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And the thing is that's not that that's like that
obviously is in the pantheon now, but it's not even
in the top ten right. Things that she has said,
even just recently with the z Way interview, Oh my god,
one of Barbara Walters could never now her by the way.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
The would I was like reading her lips to try
and see what the bleep.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
You got z Way of all people.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
To bleep you the way like she's like pulling things,
She's trying to get you to go there. She was
like almost like uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I was.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
I was like, let me just see if I can
like see through the bleeping can I like? And I
couldn't get But we need to call the what's the girl?
She's she's she's definitely, yes, we need her. She can
read the lips. What Kelly Rowland said down to the

(42:40):
what was that they were in France when Kelly was
like the film. One of the assistants was like along
and she was like, don't put your hands on me.
She got it perfect.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
I love her.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Another name invoked legendary you.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
She One time I was singing the national anthem at
a Clippers game and she was there and ied on.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Oh my god, did you get to interact with her?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
No, because she was like over there and there and
I can't talk to again.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But you know there's no It's like it's like me
and you. It's like I can't you can't do it.
Wait and this is you and Tiffany both iconic moments
with knives, waving a knife around what knife which she
flavor of love season want to Pumpkin?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know auto.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Hello Bowen here from the future relative to when this
episode was recorded. Here with the shameful correction, it was
not Pumpkin who Tiffany Pollard waved her knife hat. It
was Hottie in the kitchen, giving birth to the phrase
New York is in the motherfucking house. There is also
another famous knife moment when New York was upset that

(43:57):
Flave was flirting with Goldie on their joint and day
and she was brandishing a big, big sharp knife. Hope
that clear things up as you were. But she had
a stack knie and need a better knife. So it's
just different. But your mother, But I will say this

(44:18):
is a significant moment in media. I'm gonna say, like
in just media portrayal, representation, something where it's like it
was we got I got to school the next day
after after this the spit moment, Oh my god changed
because I wasn't watching season one. I didn't have cable,
but I was like. We got to school the next
day and everyone was like, did you watch Flavor Love
last night? I was like, no, Like what it's like,

(44:39):
it's a show and VH one Pumpkin Spin on New
York and then I like, I got the entire mythology
and one sitting and I was like, something really important
has happened. Turn it on. And so I would go
with my dad to his business trips to Wyoming to
just stay in the hotel road so I could watch,

(45:00):
so I could binge Flavor Book because would do these marathons,
and it was just it was my jaw was on
the floor. It's like, this is a star. We've never
seen anyone like her.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
She is She's a wizard, is.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
A very Also, you know we both are friend of ours.
Just gave us as a gift a mug and on it.
It's the whole speech of pretty much. I would let literally,
oh my god, I can't say it. I literally now
we both own mugs. I got mine. Okay, So now

(45:37):
there's no excuse to not be off book. Everyone out there,
you can put it on a mug.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yes, but it's like she's she's a wordsmith like you.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
She she has a very uh interesting mother.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yes, I was thinking that, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Patterson, she I saw a lot of my mom and
that was the other thing, was like wow, and her
mom is like mine, Like, how want mom? And she's great.
She's a grandmother, honey, she is. She calls me and
she's like I'd be like hey, and she's like, where's Jet.
I mean, I'm okay, you know, I ate today. Thanks,

(46:15):
My interest are going back. Thanks, But here's here's Jet.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
And when she she comes to visit at least once
a month, and I don't see Jet. They sleep in
the same bed. She's feeding him. He's like gab but
he can't say grandma, so he says gap ua. And
now that she's gone, every morning I would get him
up and he would like go to the top of
the stairs and look down, and she'd be sitting in
the living room like drinking her coffee and watching sherry

(46:41):
and he'd be like yabba. So now every morning he
goes and looks down and yeah, buck, get butt and
like she's not there. She is at her house. We'll
see her later. But they are just like they don't
tell you like that. Part of being a parent is
like the it's such a special, weird feeling to like
see your child old with the person that birthed you.

(47:03):
It's like, oh my god, this is special.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
What happens there when you see that, it's.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Like it's I can't describe it yet, it's just it
just feels like it's almost like you're watching yourself with
your mother. It's like you get a glance into what
they might have been like with you, but nicer.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
It's like in a moment where you see like, oh,
it's almost like an appreciation, Like now that I can
visualize literally you caring for this person, Like I have
an extra gratitude because you cared for me.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like if for no other reason, do
it for that, like just to give give grandparents that moment.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
See, yeah, I don't think either of us are going
to have children.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
But but but hearing you describe it is like perfect,
its beautiful.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, have one, of course you can share them.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
At this point, are there songs about.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Now, there's a song. There's a song on my impending
album Impending.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, what can we have any details about this? Well?

Speaker 4 (48:05):
There is a new remix, so if only is out
now stream download all those things. There is a remix
that so I teased it today on my socials with
a very special someone that we all know and love,
that will be coming out. I think in like two

(48:26):
weeks you should know the date, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
So it's a surprise.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yes, the remixes.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
The remix is a surprise. The special guest is a surprise.
The remix is not. The remix is out, the teaser
is out today, got it? But the special guest is
very special.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Oh I want to find out off the wait. But
speaking of music, because I love that you said tifty
New York Collard. But I as a musician, one of
the things I love about deep Space is I feel
like I can draw a line to it too, really
really important music from when I was younger. And then

(49:02):
looking you up a little bit, I know that you
like are a late nineties r and before. Oh yes,
So I just have to say that you know that
I was thinking about never say never.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Oh my god, of course, honey, and.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I hear just like obviously lots of Tony, but like
the tone of your voice like speaks to yes, Tony
but obviously Brandy, Ye, like I can just hear it
in the way that you sing. I can hear it
in the way that you approach words like I wanted
to know about like your musical inspirations and wondering if
I'm onto something there.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
You know what is so you know, like when you
do something and it's intentional and you don't know if
people are going to get it, thank you forgetting it,
and I it just it validates. It's like the little
girl in me that was like in her room dancing
till she was sweating with her hair brush. I want
to dance with somebody and knowing like somehow, some ways,

(49:59):
so day like she would be here and like we'd
be talking about her music. I used to so do
you guys remember like the big CD, the like six
disc CD changer, the two big speakers and it had
the two cassette tape because we still had by one
of those and I had it was always a Winnie

(50:20):
Houston CD Butterfly or Rainbow Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I never.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Monica. What's her album with the Blue the Baby Blue
Angel Angel Mine.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I'm back with another correction. It is not Angel of Mine.
That is the name of another single off of that album,
but it is called The Boy's Mine, of course, and
I knew that that was wrong when I said it, as.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
You were that one.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, that's that's the album title.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yes, I think it's yeah. Yeah, misunderstood pink when pink
was still kind of.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Black, black pink.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
We love that.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
We love pink today, we love we love, we love
black pink today. Yes, yes, we love yes all yes,
all invited. That was in there, oh dirty.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yes, the Stripped album was the album and no she she.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I don't not to say she never got back there,
because like she's got so much incredible work since then.
But the reason I say that is because we were
in the midst of a moment with Stripped and we
didn't even realize.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
No, right, it was a phenomenon that we didn't know.
And I would like, I studied back when music videos
were still like a thing, yeah, and making the video
and you we'd spend like three four days like and
spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to like give the
world this art that we don't have. Nobody is spending

(51:57):
that kind of money anymore. Nobody is like investing in
that part of the artistic process.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Anymore.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's such a shame.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Yes, I try. I did do it.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I did it. My favorite visual of mine is is
it enough? And I spend a lot of money on that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah. The people don't realize these are like for a
music video, it's like fifty sixty thousand dollars if you're
rocking and rolling.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Yes, I think I spent like forty thirty five forty
and it was over two days. Yeah, but I don't
I'm not mad. I don't regret it, like.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
No, because you'll always have it. Because I also feel like,
especially you, as someone who's like wanted to do this
for so long and like has inspirations and a vision
of what this looks like, you can't just do your
album without music video, like.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
And my team was like, girl, we don't need that.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
I said, we're doing it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, we're doing it. I want this.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's for you.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yes, yes, it is for me. I don't care if
any nobody else watches it. But even on my new project,
I know right now what song will have a visual.
I don't care what you and there will be an
eight count YEP. Okay, I'm gonna oil my knees up
real good. Yeah, it's going to happen and if nobody
watches it, I will have lived my life, yeah, and done.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
The things I needed to investing in yourself. What is
this about, uh, you being a rock star on your
past life because you're bringing a rock sound to this album.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I hear talk about it.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Was there a rock album in the rotation of the
sixth CD player or like what, like what are you
drawing from personally?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
If so, it is still a goal of mine to
do like a rock R and B version of Under
the Bridge.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I love the Chili Peppers, Yeah, come on.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I love him Calvin, I love Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah he was hot too, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
He was cute. Yeah he's kind of weird now now
it's tough.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
He's just cute then.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I mean, you know, I love what. I love when
our the straight guys who do our show like like
sort of like interact with the one random straight thing
we say and Anthony Keta scot them to laugh. Today
it was David Fincher.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Anthony, so we're back, Yes, yes, welcome.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So you want to do Under the Bridge? Es?

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Wow, I I love that song.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I love that song. I love like led Zeppelin, I
love what is his name?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
What is with the teeth, mister the teeth, with the teeth,
with the.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Teeth, Freddie Mercury, Yes, yes, you know you know him
with the teeth.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That's a great flattering way to refer to him.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Because that that was just.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Like the teeth. It's the dark hair, it's the white tank,
it's the.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Situation.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Even Prince Brand is probably like rock star my rock idol. Yes,
I like I want to be Prince I just he
he did it right and like it was and it
made no sense like no business man did, like none.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
It is crazy. It's like one of those ones that
you're like, can we go back? How did this happen?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
This happened? Because it just it happened so fast and
if he didn't even get like he's just due, Like
it was just like okay, he's gone, what's next, Like
we we need to go back and like honor him properly.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, because it was he just dropped that last album
with like the three sort of ye lensed glasses and
then that was yeah, you're right, it didn't feel Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
There was it. We I don't because he's such a
monumental influence forget about artist in his own right, influence
on the most important artist of our generation, like namely Beyonce, who,
by the way, shuts everything down yep to I'll never forget.
It was the Formation World.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Tour at Queen's and she's.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Stopping everything to make sure that at her concert, Prince
was going to get a full on you know, like moment.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Tina Tina is like the female version. They are like
each other, opposites in gender, Like I if I could
be Tina, Tina's knees are better than mine, Like if
you even though she was like it was.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
There would be.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
There are like videos of her where I'm like, is
this sped up she created? And it wasn't she It
was insane to me and I'm not even this is
how I know, like I'm going to be here for
a while because I haven't even like touched the surface
of of that of what I want to do, of course,
Like I feel like Deep Space was amazing and it's

(56:31):
my baby. It was my introduction, and I was like timid,
and I was like kind of like doing what I
thought I should do and listening to my trusted team,
listening to them this next album, I was like, no,
I'm not doing that. I was a little bit more vocal,

(56:52):
but I even I still even still like even now
I'm this project is like mostly done. There's I'm recording
a few more songs, but I I'm already thinking about
like what I want to do next.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah. Good.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
And it's like I'm like slowly coming out of my
shell and like eventually I'm going to do like whatever
the fuck and it's going to be what it's going
to be, and I like I can't wait to get there.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
This is what I'm saying. Cannas like you you you
will keep coming out of your shell because this is
what you do. This is this is so exciting, and
like I'm even hearing you talk about like the Rob
conversation moment not to go back to this, but just quickly,
I'm like, oh, you have such an understanding of narrative
and like you knew that wasn't like you like you
knew in the moment. You didn't know in the moment

(57:35):
that it would be such a moment, right right.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
And then what Matt's kind of bringing about bringing up
with like the Patgeant stuff where it's like, oh, you
weren't sort of conflict oriented back and you're in that
sort of yeah, sort of origin. It's like I think
you I'm like, oh, you could be like a producer,
Like you could be like behind the scenes. You're such
a star, you should be in front of the camera.
It's like that's the thing. But you know, I think

(57:58):
I think the world's your oyster.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I really do.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
I receive it.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I mean, also, the thing about you is are you
a voice notoer? Oh? Yes, because you write when you speak. Yes,
that's that's something. I recognize it because I'm like, I
feel like you channel ah do you have to have it?
Just your hand has to be on that voice note
because I feel like sometimes I don't know how you feel,
but it's hard for me to sit down and like

(58:26):
actually write and log. It's easier to handwrite. Yeah, you,
like I said, one of our great verbal processors. You
literally write when you speak. It's good. You know, it
is quality enough when it comes from your brain through
your mouth. That's why it's caught on so many times
on Housewives. But that if you channel it like that,
there's so much that can go into the work.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I receive that.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Yeah, my Jet because I do talk to text all
the time, and now Jet will take my phone. He
calls a stone, stone, stone, it takes my stone and
he'll like hold it up to his mouth and go bit.
I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm like, oh
my god, he's mimicking me, because I do that all day.

(59:11):
It's it's insane. But yes, I'm I'm working on a
piece of literature, and so much of it just a.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Little literature, a little tomb yet.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
And some I do type because I do, like depending
on the day that I'm writing. Some days I do
just want to, like I want, I want the energy
to come out of my hand. But sometimes I'm like, no,
I'm just about to hit this button and like speak
the words of this book and and it just it
goes in it.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
And yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
It's because I read a lot as a kid, always
reading a book, a goose Bumps book, Baby Club.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
This is the box Car Children, box Car Children, Oh
my god. Oh yeah, that's that's this is all. It's
all foundational. I've always wanted to tell you what did
you do at the White House? What was your job
at the White House.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I wasn't intern in the Offices of Public Engagement and
Intergovernmental Affairs, so I was a liaison, So my office
liaise between the White House and mostly the black community.
So like we would do all the tours, we'd bring
people in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, first term, second.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
First term in the first term, and then when I
did the campaign that was the second yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yes, twenty twelve. What a time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
We were lucky enough to get a tour right before
the old switchover. But we I was on tour in
DC this last note obviously not this last but the
year prior, and it was I had to be it
had to be you know, December fourth, fifth, sixth, so
they moved holiday. So yeah, so it was the holidays
at the White House, but it was obviously a month

(01:00:55):
after the election and a month before the changeover. So
they were like, yeah, if you want to come in
for a tour. They literally go, I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Think I did that too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Yeah, we was like and I took jet that was like, that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Was like, let me get in here before.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yeah, he had been like three other times when he
was in utero, and I was like, let's go so
you can like see it and get to get a
picture in here, so you know, if it all burns
to the ground, but we can say we were in
here and it basically and its ashes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, they said as much, though I remember feeling so
frustrated but obviously understanding because you know, the lovely women
that were giving us the tour there were like, because
you know, who knows if we're ever coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
It is grim in there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
And then recently I was invited for a tour and
I was like, now I've seen it, thanks no, thank you. Yeah,
and you know somebody was like, well, you know it's
it's still the way Hell's like, it's not my white house,
and I don't and then it's just the energy. I'm
gonna go in there and like I've heard about the

(01:02:00):
out of spite the changes that have been made, it's
just gonna piss me off. I'm gonna end up like
underground in a bunker or something because I'll like kick
a door.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I don't need to go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
No, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Oh, I have to
really point out quickly point out. We forgot to say undomesticated,
domesticated Michael. I've read his book when it came out,
which one can't take Jesus, oh, that is my book.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
That's how I slid in his DMS. Like wait, this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Book is like my life actually excellent, just the way
he writes the way that I think, yes, and like
all of his books are this way. But like you
just you feel like you're sitting like with a friend,
like just talking about your life when you're reading his book. Yeah,
And I remember my best friend was like, I'm reading

(01:02:47):
this book and I feel like you really like it,
and it's like like it's just a line with your life,
and it's okay, sure, I'll read it. And I was
halfway through and I just I've never never done it before.
I was like, I need to tell him how I'm
amazing his writing is. And I slid in his d
MS and I was like, you know, I just like
everything you're saying about, like your mom, your relationship with
your mom, and like your life and being from the South,

(01:03:09):
we both went to Howard Yeah, so I was just
I was like, I have to tell you this, and
we became friends from that genuine like I just he's
he's a brilliant He's like too brilliant for the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
He's wonderful. He writes all about how like he calls
it Betheism, like his love for Beyonce, but how like
is because he came up Catholic, I believe, and like
he was he was Catholic, and like he like maybe
he was going to be a priest I think, I
don't know, or a man of the cloth in some way.
And then like he just writes about how like loving

(01:03:42):
someone like Beyonce is a better sort of lens to
which through which you like evaluate your own self concept
or worth or whatever, like that is a bit more
meaningful in the current day, Like look at a pop
star like Beyonce or any or just any artist that
you love and just be like, oh, this is this
is telling me something about self. It's very it's so
it's it's very beautiful. And like I've always I've been

(01:04:04):
such a I love that you guys have this wonderful
podcast together.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Yes, just it works. And he's I mean, he he
lives up to his name. His name on Instagram is
young Syne. So he's going to give it to you
very straight and tell you the truth. And I'm not
far behind. But I love how we like we find
different ways to like approach the same topic. He's going
to be like, yeah, I bitch just fucked up, and

(01:04:27):
I'd be like, yeah, she is fucked up. But you
know maybe in her childhood her daddy was, you know,
I will find a way because I have an honorary
m D. Yeah, my parents are physicians, so you know
I will I will diagnose. I was just talking the
other day about something somebody's like blood pressure or something,

(01:04:47):
and my mom was like, are you a doctor?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
I say, yes, girl, isn't that how it works?

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Okay? Like, yes, yes, you've been around it enough. You
have an m D honorarily, you know what the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
You do pick up some things. Part of why I
think I'm doing this is because I heard my mom
talk to women in the chair when she was cutting
her hair. So you're a doctor.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
It is the same. Yes, and your oprah, Yes, you
see that's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, absolutely, okay, and not then I think it's time
we move on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Before we before we move on to I don't think so, honey,
I do have to ask you one question, which is
what is your favorite Brandy track?

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
There's not one the entire entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I just I die to talk about her all the
time on this podcast, and we rarely have people that
are like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
They are people don't respect brand. They never get the
respect she deserves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
They took her for granted.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yes, but no, it's not even that. It's it's just
that you don't have the range, like when you don't
get Brandy's because you can't sit with us, like you
don't get it. You have to put your ear on
the speaker to really appreciate Brandy the vocal Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
So you used to really I read this about you.
You used to really put your ear to the speaker
so you could hear all the stacks, every.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
On, every stack. Yes, and like I want like six harmony,
I want six part harmony. Yes, because Brandy did it
first on the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Door Show Arianna could Spring.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Kalani too has talked about how she is like that
is her mother and they be sick of me in
the studio like okay, we no, no, no, it's one
more in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Let's let's find let's find it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Let's find it because it's in there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Yes, like you, I the fullness of sound is because
of Brandon. Yes, a cappella from Human. I love the
entire Human album. Yeah, but a cappella is probably one
of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
I think it's a I'd never say it never comes
at in ninety eight, So that's like right around when
Butterfly happens. So this is when I was like telling myself, Okay,
this is the music. I like. Yeah. But then also,
you know, album gets Lost is aphrodisiac. Unfortunately Kanye is
on talk about our love, but I do love.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I also.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
The latest one that she did with Camper that everybody
was like, this is weird. What was that album called?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
You're talking about B seven B seven? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
I appreciate B seven Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I appreciate anything she does.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Yes, yeah, yeah, Like people were like this is it
was different? And I mean Brandy is known for a
specific sound. I get I respect that she wanted to
try something else.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Yes, of course, and I lived for it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Yeah. Last year when we were putting our Culture Awards
together and so we heard that Brandy and Monica were
going on tour together, and I remember I said, wait,
I was like, there's no better moment in life I
can ever think of than them for the first time,
or at least for a long time, performing The Boy's
Mine together. I wrote them a letter. Do you remember this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Because they were pitched to us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
So basically, like we saw that there was a possible chance,
and I was like, stop everything. I've never done this before.
I'm writing a letter to the talent, and I gotta like,
I gotta find it and keep it because by the
end I was emotional because I realized like I was
speaking about something that had such a bigger impact than
I could ever know, just like the lore of their

(01:08:06):
relationship that all went right into that to the vocals
in that, like just the the wildness of the riffs
and the choices, but how they spoke to each other,
the tension in that the very adult tone and Monica's
voice contrasting with the girlish airiness of Brandy's voice gave
personified POV.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
One of the great tracks ever ever is that song?

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Whenever dated never never never.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
They can't or they should try, because we'd love to
hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Yes, No, I want to see them at essence like
they're I'm happy that they're continuing like that. They're not
sick of each other yet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, because you do you do worry?

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know, ever so slightly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
When you're tied to people in that way through the years,
it's like you never know what the what the tone, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Let's let's keep it going.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
And this ever since they're versus, that was like what
got me into the verses stuff it all? Okay, is
this like child's play? What's happening? And then they said
they got Brandy and Monica to come do it, and
I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Oh, this is real.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
And then they had that one moment of tension and
I'm like, no, pack it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Up, please, don't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Please, We're all living at home.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
They're amazing together and I'm just And it's also just
like it's very grown women of them to be like, Okay,
let's put this all to the side. The fans want this,
let's give and we need.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Healing in the world right now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Okay, So if the girls are not fighting, everything is good.
The other girls are fighting, let.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Them fight, y'all. Yeah, okay, it's I don't think so, honey.
Time This is where we take one minute sort of
you know, workout feelings on something in culture.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I can I might start this time. You want to
start this time because because Cannice has inspired something in me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Then LFG okay, I'm gonna put one minute on the
clock for the one and he's gonna tear it up.
This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey, and
his time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I don't think somebney. Oh, you're still on your dad's
plan for X y Z. Yes, I still have a
Chase College debit account because my father started it in
my name. Right over here we have the iconic candas
Stealer Basset saying yes, I'm still on my father's phone
plan and I will never get off of that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Why for? Why would be the reason?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Because like, it's not like a thing where with like marriages,
let's say, where it's like, yeah, of course you like
kind of combine you you combine your things. There's nothing
wrong with someone in the family, no matter what the
age is, to be within the plan of some arrangement.
I don't think there should be stigma around that. I
don't understand. I'm not there's no existential functional difference in

(01:10:53):
me having this Chase College under my dad's name. It's
under my name, but it still has his name in parentheses.
He doesn't have any visibility into it. But I'm like, yeah,
why not? It connects me in my college days. I
think of myself two thousand and eight, moving to New
York with a dream and ten dollars in my account.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And that's one minute. I remember the moment that the
Chase representative walked up and said, what about a credit card?
And my parents turned to me and said, I guess
we're getting your credit card. Wow, it's a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Yes, I'm also my So my first checking account that
my dad opened was like under his name. Yeah, I
also still have that account.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Yeah, So, like if he needs to like transfer money
or take money out, because like I think you know
how you can do the you pay for the phone
and installment. Yes, yes, so he makes me pay for
install you're still it's still yours and it comes out
of that account exactly, and I just pay him like
the forty seven dollars or whatever it is a month,
and he set up the automatic trance, so it's like, yes,

(01:11:54):
but if he wants to slat a couple of dollars
in there, he can do that too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It's fine, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yes, their parents having access to that kind of account
is so funny because when I knew I had to
end it was my mom goes to me, I just
wanted to ask about because I can see it and
I was like, Okay, don't look at that. She's like,
that's only fans. What I was like, I'm supporting the arts. Yes,

(01:12:19):
I was like, don't look at this anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
You are technically it's artful.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Art is a loose term.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
And this my got today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Okay, fabulous and more, thank you. I spoke to a generation. Well,
I don't understand this around it. Okay, I have one.
This is you know, it's not directed to anyone in particular,
but we're talking fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Now, I don't think so, honey, men in sheer now?
I'm is this a little bit me? Just scared to
do because I feel like, you know, when hud Sit
and Connor hit the carpet and they're in a look,
you have to think, is this now a fashion trend?
And they were in sheer last night at the Vanity
Fair Oscar party, and I said, please not this, because
then we might have to explore sheer. That's not happening

(01:13:12):
for me like the way it is on Hudson and Connor.
And I think this may go the way of shirtless
under a blazer. If you think can think back to
six years ago. A lot of people doing shirtless under
a blazer on red carpets dates, It dates the look.
It dates the look, and I just think classic. Maybe
what if we returned to classic. I think about this

(01:13:34):
a lot. I just kind of want to see. You
showed up the other day at the Glad Awards in
like like a black tux. Yeah, I said classic, remember
those return to Hollywood Glamour five seconds. I'm just saying,
let's call out these things before they become mainstay trends.
Sheer I don't think so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
And that's one minute in sixteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Oh wow, I really went over Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Problem.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
You had a lot to say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
I just because you know, when you see it's to
catch on and you're like, okay, now you have to
wrap your mind around it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Yes, Yeah, I love shere though, I do shere often.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
That's you though. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
I do like a bra and I do like a
sheer top.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
But for men, it's like it's like, if you're gonna
do shear, yeah, it kind of means you're showing nipple.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I mean, but they're just they're just little nips.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
They are totally little nips, like huge areolas.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
You know, but not every nipples made the same. They
are not like some nipples are like you see a
nipple out on the wild and you're like, oh wow,
and then well mine have the little points mine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I'm like, yeah, I got and get the massage for
an hour perbue.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Got to yes, get the milk out.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
It's important alone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
The shaking of the heads that are happening. Okay, so
here we go. We're we're ready for the moment that
is canics? Do you have thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
I have a thought?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Okay, and you can't read off the phone if you
would like, wait.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Do I want to use this one? Because I feel
like I already.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
See now this is how the notes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Be popping on my phone, like not even kidding. Wait,
I might I want to find one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Take your time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Wait, I wasn't prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Prepare you need to be prepared. Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
My mother called me Scar once why I don't know.
We were talking about the Lion King and it was
like around the time of my wedding and she was like,
you have an attitude, you're acting.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
And she's like, you're Scar Star.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
She was like, oh whatever, Scar, She said, like that.
My best friend never lets me forget.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
That, okay, Scar, Yes, and I will never forget.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
By the way, you would never do have CI villains
because you're that's that's predicated on you being a villain.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Exactly, and I'm not a villain.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
I'm just misunderstood.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Also I think I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yeah, it's the last phraser if he wanted to do it.
I'm like, you're not a villain Villa.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Frasier like blow Deck.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Yes, yes, uh huh, he's not a villain.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
No, he's not a villain.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Well maybe that's the lore in it, Like he's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Just like blonde and icy and British, and so they
try to like there. Jack t told me that they're
always trying to push him in a villain direction, and
he's like, but that's not really what I can what
I can give you naturally, and so yeah, I feel
like you know something about that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Yes, that's how I feel often. Okay, I there are
so many things I could say, and they're all just
escaping me. That's okay, Oh, I've got it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Okay, Okay, lock in for candas, this is okay, stealer baskets,
I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. But
again one last time. As we mentioned at the top
of this episode, we recorded this the day after the Oscars,
when Matt and I were blistfully unaware of this whole
Bachelorette fiasco. Obviously a lot of things have happened since,

(01:16:57):
including the TMZ video and the cancelation of the season.
At the time of this recording, as in this little
memo insertion, it seems like it's still developing anyway. That's
just helpful to know. Okay, enjoy Candice is wonderful. I
don't think so, honey.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I don't think so, honey. But y'all in this new Bachelorette,
miss what's her name, Frankie Taylor, Taylor, Frankie Paul, she's ghetto.
And I'm just gonna go on the record and say
as much. I've said it already, But the Bachelorette used
to be this like girl next door. You know, she's
pulled up, she's straight and narrow, she's got all of

(01:17:38):
her marbles, she keeps her legs closed, she sits pretty,
she's she gives you, she gives you sashang of the
shoulder thirty seconds. And now we are fully like embracing
the direction of hood rat, like she she's been to jail.
She is she's been she's like beating up her husband allegedly.

(01:18:02):
She's she's a mess. And I'm just like, how did
we get here? The bachelorette is going downhill fast. I'm
gonna be watching, but I will be watching with just
just like a squint in my eye because how are
we here? What do we do? The man came out
the other day saying that he slept with her the
day before she left to go do the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
We are in the ghetto and that's one minute and
ten seconds. So I didn't realisten until last night watching
the Oscars when they were playing the commercials for ABC,
I was like, that's Mormon girl. Yes, I didn't realize
we were dipping into the other, into the other.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Property, dipping into the ghetto.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I have not wait, who is this person? Who is she?
Frankie Taylor Paul?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Taylor is Taylor, Frankie Paul?

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Is her name Taylor Frankie?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
And she's just she's a mess.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Well, she's just a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
You TA doesn't have a good history with people with
the last name Frankie.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Oh, is that who she is?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
So there was also Thatchlore.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
That's it. Wow, how do we get here?

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
You know what I think, honestly what happened is I
think Dancing with the Stars had huge success with Whitney.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Levit yes, whom I love and yeah I love her.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
And and real talent, and then they said, okay, well
this is a property that people clearly are hungry for.
It's both ABC and so they probably said because the
Secret Rives is on Hulu.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Right, yes, yep, yep. And the umbrella there you go
is that called Senergy Synergy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Line.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I was unaware she was selected for such a role.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
I think it's started already or it's starting soon. But
I'm just like she just I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
just I'm going to be open, but I'm very much judged.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Do you feel like, as as someone in unscripted television,
that you must be very literate and very caught up
on the general landscape of it to a degree, it's
a lot a lot of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
I think you have to also like kind of protect
your peace and decide like, Okay, I'm gonna step away
for now. But it's also like, if you are at
all on socials, you can't you can't escape it, like
if you're on TMZ or in the shade room, which
is like that's the Devil's door TMZ. The neighborhood talk
like these are I follow these these behemoths of social

(01:20:25):
and you're like you you're going to see even people
like all of our like reputable, like journalistic, all are
like in the smut of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
There's something did happen. I well, obviously we know what happened,
which is fucking a reality star became the President of
the United States. But then I do think everything kind
of collapsed in on itself where it was like there's
no it's hard to tell what's an A list star
now and and and like people.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
People lose their minds in the airport for reality stars, yes,
but like Angela Bassett.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Is standing, yeah exactly like.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Real talent is. You know, they don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Well, it's the paraso reality of it. It's like I meanwhile,
for me, whatever, I'll analyze myself later. But it's like
people feel like they will know you, and so they'll
like come up to you and sort of break down
the familiarity walls a little too quickly, whereas if they
see someone more quote unquote reputable artistically and whatever whatever

(01:21:28):
that means.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
They're there and another echelon I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Relate, unreachable. I yes, I don't know too many details
about their life firsthands.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Right, but do you before you were you and you
were you? If you saw like Tiffany Pollard on the street,
that's different.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Well when you when you have also like an occasion
to speak to them, yes, that's different. So there was
something like that happened where once I got in the
rooms as and I was invited to the room, I
was like, now I feel like I can say hello,
because like there I always say since I was little,

(01:22:10):
like my idol was Kelly Clarkson, oh idle idol, and
I remember when you performed on her show too. I
was so proud of you. I was like, yeah, Kelly,
even though it was COVID and virtual. Yes, But I
had gotten to the point where like there were a
few times where I could have gone up to her
randomly and said hello, but I was like, no, I

(01:22:31):
have to wait because I knew I was manifesting like
interacting with her like in some way. And then I
got to meet her on her show when I was
a guest so I was just like, I'm happy I
waited because I never think anyone's gonna want to talk
to me anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Like why why?

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
And it's not to say that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
I My friends call me a friendly hoe because I
will stop and talk to everybody I love, Like when
people want to come to me talking, that's me. I
don't think I'm with you that anyone wants to hear
my from me story about how I was crying because
you when you threw your butter knife, maybe one for
my butter knife.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Like I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Permission right your I was liberated to throw butter knife,
But I don't think you care.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Have you been in have you had that occasion with Tiffany.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
I've never met Tiffany. I've never been in proximity to her.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
So if you are in like a room with her
where everybody's sort of like like the social glue is there,
would you go up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
To the would because like you, I feel like I'm in
a space where I've arrived enough.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Enough.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I still have more arriving to do, but I've arrived
enough where it's like okay, we are, like we're there's
synergy here where like in a similar zeitgeist, of things,
and yes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
I need to We need to see you guys in
conversation next year. Variety Actors on actors, I want to
see everyone moves up and then in timpany. This is
what I'm saying, and I know we can make it happen.
This is a place where things get manifested.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I'm a manifestor. However, I will say a good friend
of mine, Cammy Crawford. Do you know Cammy?

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
She was Miss TENUSA, She was on she hosted Catfish
with No She has a podcast called Relationship. She recently
did a post where she met a woman like randomly
at the grove. The woman was like, do you say
do you manifest? And she was, of course And the
woman was like, well stop, you need to women fest.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
White a damn minute.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Sure If that's not.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
So, I'm no longer manifesting.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I am a woman. Yeah, okay. It is Women's History
Month and I think we have fully gay guy infested
A full banger of an episode with you today.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
I could talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I swear like we have always like looked to the
screen and just had so much fun watching you. You're
so just like you carry the light and we love
watching you crush. Of course you're the star of the Traders,
like when you and Rina pulled off those cloaks to
see each other. Know that that was also the response

(01:25:16):
we were having at home and I called you like,
I can't deal with who they pi. I pumped my
fist ye and hated it in the moment it does.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
That was brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
We adore you. Are you going on tour with Tamar
family values?

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
You know, we are the Braxtons and you'll see what
is the song? We are the Braxtons and you'll see
we are not like and I don't know the words
Tony Tracy, why not teach yes?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
And she's no, yes, no.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
I long long live the Braxton But I will say,
I know we have to go. But like they say,
you're not supposed to meet your heroes, I actually like
would be terrified to meet Tony well level, I would
be terrified. I've obviously met Tamar. I toured with Tamar
on her Love and War tour, and then I have
a song with Tracy Braxton mast and she's probably my

(01:26:16):
favorite Braxton because she is just just insane, like the
just the funniest, most hilarious person you will ever meet
in your life and so kind and so just sisterly
and a mentor. And Tamar is that to me as well.
But there's there's no one I would I don't like

(01:26:40):
get starstruck. I would like melt into.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
The carpets Tony Braxton.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
I would just rather adore her from afar.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I understand, you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Know, like she's I would I would convulse.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I saw her in on Broadway and I yeah, this
was like two thousand maybe right, but I'm telling you.
She went in as one of the replacements and I
was like, we're going a little ten year old, like
little closeted gay wipe by. I was like, we have
to see how you do to my parents and they
were like okay. And I believe Dina Mendel was m Nerris. Yeah, sure, sure,

(01:27:16):
yeah it was. It was star studded. I think it
felt like that. Anyways, we love you. This was you
last and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Stream it all. I hope you've watched the Traders, otherwise
you're spoiled today. But if not, you know, it's still fun.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
It's still fun if only stream it. Because it's all
about the streaming numbers and the upcoming impending album. She's
not going to give us the scoop tonight, but we're
going to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Oh, you'll get it soon.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
We end every episode with the song it's really thank
complain remember this one. The conversation, Trust me, that's not what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
You want them back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I want oh because you know how disrespect Oh every.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Week got my bet out of the diet, got me
pissed up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
From my head.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Juice voice over you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Number right back. You can put it down now. We're
we're gonna we're gonna promo stream the rest of it.
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Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
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