January 11, 2026 • 31 mins
A blizzard, a death, and a case that instantly split the public in two. On this episode of Killer Thriller, Katie Cassidy joins us to talk about stepping into the role of Karen Read while the real case is still unfolding, the pressure of portraying a living, polarizing figure and staying grounded amid a true-crime storm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here back with a new episode
of Killer Thriller. Today we are diving into a true
crime story that completely took over the headlines and honestly
the entire Internet for years. In twenty twenty two, Karen
Reid was charged with manslaughter and second degree murder, accused
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of killing her boyfriend, a Boston police officer, after a
night of heavy drinking during a brutal snowstorm. Prosecutors claimed
she hid him with her car and left him outside
in the snow. The story absolutely dominated local news and
became a national obsession. After a twenty twenty four mistrial,
the case was retried a year later and Karen Reid
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was acquitted of murder charges. But between accusations of a
police cover up, massive public protests, and true crime fandom,
the verdict only fueled the fire. So today we are
talking with Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in Lifetime.
This new film accused the Karen Reid story.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Amy Roboc and TJ.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, today we are talking about Karen Reid, and I
am here with my producers.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To lay it out for you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So Lifetime is doing a movie about the Karen Reid
stories starring Katie Cassidy, who will be joining us for
somebody listening, including myself. Can you set up who is
Karen Reid? I know the name? Did what is the story?
What did she do? What did she not do?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, first of all, to be clear, and this speaks
to how so many people know about this case. I
remember first being aware of it by someone standing on
an overpass on the freeway in LA with a big
sign that said free Karen Read.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And I was like, Who's Karen Reid and who is that?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that made me look it up and I went,
oh my god, this woman. So she What happened is
this woman lived in Boston with her boyfriend. It was
a blustery winter, snowy night, they all went out drinking,
and then she was accused of hitting this man with
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her car and leaving him to die and freeze to
death in the yard of a friend. Now there is
so much evidence to the contrary, and in fact it's
about like police cover up. All of these people believe
that the Massachusetts Police Department was is a conspiracy against her.
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And then the more that you read and see it's
really true. They gathered evidence in a solo cup. There
was some evidence that wasn't actually put into the proper
places until March. This happened in January. No one ever,
they never went into the house and questioned any of
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the people that were in the house at the time
they went there, which was about twelve thirty at night.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now what's important to know is the.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Owner of that home was also a member of the
police department. And they have text messages from a state
trooper who becomes the head of the investigation, where he says, oh, yeah, no,
those guys aren't gonna suffer at all, essentially to the
extent like, oh no, We're not gonna be a part
of it. He's a part of the team too, like
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these very clear cover ups.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Was a boyfriend also a police officer?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, sorry, he was a police officer.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And is there any once he definitely hit with a car.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, This is the other part. The entire the prosecution's
case rests on the fact that he was hit by
a car and that Karen said over and over, I
killed him, I killed him, I killed him. That becomes
a big part of the case. But then it's revealed
that she never said it. They have no footage of
her saying this. But because everybody was so drunk and
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it was freezing cold, and they're all of these extenuating circumstances,
there's a whole thing about where he has these All
the injuries he had were scratches on his arm that
they likened to. They had an expert, the defense had
experts come in saying those are from a dog, that
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there's no evidence of him being hit by a car.
And then they find out the owners of the house
had a huge German shepherd who was known as quote
not good with strangers, and then they gave the dog
away like a month after this happened.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That this guy was.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Dronk and like just passed out in the snow and
froze to death.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Karen says that she saw him walk into the house
and then she left, and they are saying he never
went into the house. However, the police department and the
state troopers, they never investigated the house. They never interviewed
anyone who was in the house at the party.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How's at this party?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So they went they all were at a bar and
then they went.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Back to this like the after party at this Yes,
the after party at this was his body found at
this house? Yes, his body was found at the very
front end of the front yard by the street.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Could he have tripped, hit his head and then froze
to death. I mean he could have, yes. So what happens.
So then there's this Karen Reid trial. So she gets
accused of this crime.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yes, so they they say that she which also doesn't
make any sense, because they that she dropped him off,
you know, hit him with her car in an angry fit,
and then drove off and went home and went to
sleep and then woke up and was like, where is he?
He never came home. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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No one would do that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And there's also no evidence that she that he was
hit by a car.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So then there's they accuse her, She goes to trial,
and what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So she goes to trial.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
She first of all, there's a trial in twenty twenty
four and it ends in a hung jery. It's a mistrial.
So she goes back. They try her again in twenty
twenty five, and she has found not guilty on all
counts except for driving under the influence or one version
of that of drunk driving.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Knowing what you know? Do you also, and you've watched
this lifetime version, do you feel like she.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Is not guilty?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know, it's so interesting. I do think she's not guilty, Definitely,
I do. I mean in watching these I've watched documentary footage,
well in court footage, and when you see these witnesses
for the prosecution on the stand, they're they're not believable.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They're not credible, got.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It, They are not credible, and they all keep repeating
the same things. And then when you get down to
the brass tacks of it, it literally it doesn't make
any sense that she could have or would have done this,
And they rely heavily on her voice males that she
left for him, which were like saying, I hate you.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
She was like drunk and angry because she went back
to his house and he never showed up and where
is he? And she thought he was sleeping with someone else?
And you feel like the volatility of this woman, but
that's also understandable. They had been arguing for the weeks prior,
they've been having problems, and sure they had a very imperfect,
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you know, relationship like most of us do, but you
can understand that. So then they use her words in
an emotional state to make it look like she was
angry enough to kill him. It seems very clear that
they put up the quote blue wall right where the
police are just saying this happened on our watch. Whether
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they someone beat him up, it looks like he was
beaten up and has scratches on his arm. However they don't.
No one talks about those things. They keep pressing that
he was hit by a car, which the experts say,
this is none of this fits with someone who is
hit by a car. And then they also have pieces
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of Another part of it is that her tail light
was broken, and then they find pieces of the tail
light where he was lying on the front lawn, but
they don't find those until over twelve hours later at night,
after they have brought her car in to be investigated,
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and they have it at the facility where they check
for evidence and things like that, and they have footage
where the police that sent the footage they reversed it
so it looks like you're looking at the one side
of the car when you're actually looking at the driver's side.
Like it's nefarious it's really really bad.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
As extraordinarily convoluted.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So I get why people are fascinated and also super
confused because I'm trying to keep up here.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, it's also you know, I think a big part
of this is, which I find fascinating and also pretty concerning,
that all of these people who have become her followers
and supporters, they're getting their information from this Turtle Boy
guy who has turned this in and I mean, bless him.
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I hope his intentions are good and he certainly it
seems like he has helped to at least shine a
light on this, but you know, it's very self serving.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's you know, now he's got a movie deal.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Right, quite likable. Is that also people seem to be
so supportive or is it just so clear that something
is a miss here and she's being wrongfully accused.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I mean, I don't think anybody would disagree that something
is a miss. I think what they disagree on is
what exactly is it that is a miss?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And you know, a big part of this is when
people are that intoxicated and it's snowing and it's late hours,
you know, and the investigation was botched so severely, but
that feels like that was intentional.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, let's get into this with.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the new Lifetime
movie Hused the Karen Reid's story. All right, Katie, it's
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so great to meet you. Thank you so much for
speaking with me today.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I just finished watching the movie, and I mean, I
don't even know where to begin, so I'll just start
by saying, you're like channeling her in a crazy way
where you actually your facial expressions and all. It's like
you completely transformed into this person. So I just want
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to commend you for that.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Thank you saying that. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I definitely it's interesting because it happened. So this movie
happened so quickly. I had like seventy two hours or something.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh my god, you're kidding to prepare.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, And so I basically just did a huge deep
dive and just like flooded myself with as much information
on the internet as I possibly could research and watched interviews,
read things like I just I completely.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Immersed myself into in it.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
And I was also actually at the time, I was
sick and I was lying back from Miami to LA
And when I got the call from my agent, my manager,
and I was like, can I let you guys know,
I'm like not really feeling been sick. And they were like, yeah,
you can let us know by the time you land,
because you need to start filming Monday.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
And it was a Friday.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh, And I was like, okay.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I let me give me the flight at least so
to decide. And yeah, I mean I was very intrigued
by the story itself, by America's obsession story.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, so you had heard about it before you knew
Were you familiar with the case, were you following it
like everyone?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
No? Oh, I actually didn't know about it at all.
Everybody else did. So I don't know if I live
under a rock or what's going on, But you know,
I was just I was just very intrigued by it.
And then I paid a lot of attention to her
mannerisms and her facial expression and her dialect and lack
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there like her accent and lack thereof. Sometimes she has
an accent, I've when I was listening, and sometimes she didn't,
And so it all sort of it's like it all
happened the way it was supposed to happen, the universe
wanted it to happen, and being sick, you know, it
actually lended to the character, I think because she going
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through that was pretty you know, run down.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Run down, exhausted. Yes, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So even though she was eventually found not guilty obviously
of murder, she's currently facing a wrongful death suit and
her attorney, Alan Jackson, who is obviously famous for defending
Kevin Spacey Harvey Weinstein and was going to defend Nick
Reiner for the horrific murder of his parents, but he
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has about out of that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Do you in how he's going.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
To also represent her in the civil case? This is
always a question when you're playing someone real, right, and
it's so present. I mean, Lifetime is known for making
these ripped from the headlines movies, but this is literally
happening as you're doing.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
It, and it's still not over, and it's.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Still not over.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So how much did you feel like a responsibility to
do her a service? Obviously when you're playing and when
you have to kind of invest yourself in that person regardless,
but did you feel like any kind of real personal.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Feelings about this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Like of how you wanted her to be seen, did
you want justice for her? Did any of that play
into how you played her?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I guess to be honest with you, Playing Karen, I
had to think like Karen and believe what Karen believes.
And I was asked this question, what is your opinion?
And the truth is is I don't. We wrapped in November,
and I had no I didn't really have that much
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time to prepare, and I really just threw myself into
this character and it was so intense, and we finished
in November. And after I come off of a film,
especially something like that, it takes me time to decompress
and sure almost still processing, Yeah, because it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That long ago.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah, So I haven't really even been able to inform
an opinion myself. I just know, thinking like Karen, portraying
her being sort of becoming her, I had to think
and believe what she did. And that's why it influenced
my personal opinion at least for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
There are so many elements of this I think that
made people just so obsessed with it. It sort of
has everything. I mean, first of all, they're all drinking,
everyone is drunk. There is a blizzard in a massive snowstorm,
a complicated relationship, like all of these things are so.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Just chock full of intensity that I you know, did
you have at.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Any points when you were going through it where you
thinking this is bananas?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did this really happen? Like this is crazy?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I mean it is it is crazy, But again, like
I couldn't really form my own opinion on it.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I just had to throw myself into what into it?
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I couldn't really question if did
it happen?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Did it not? I mean, well she did at one point. Yeah.
I just had to just go for it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Right, I Mean, there are so many I also watched
the documentary part at least that the one that has
come out, as I'm sure there are a million more
that will come out, but where they really show you
all of the evidence and how just kind of failed
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the whole investigation was And even as a person like
myself who clearly is not involved in law enforcement to
any degree, I was watching it, going how was this
allowed to happen? You know, how to carry getting blood
samples in a solo cup and the fact that they
just never investigated the people who were in the house
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that night I just think that's so unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean I think the film shines a light
for me or like, you know, just on the complexity
of our legal system.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yes, and.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
I mean it is wild the way it all went down,
and it is sort of like unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
The Dixie Cups.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, I saw a woman wearing dixie cup ear ring,
you know, like solo cup earrings, talking to someone in
the press like people have they just like jumped on
this bandwagon to support her. Did you ever come to
your own conclusions about what you think really happened.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
It's really hard to to form an opinion of my
own when for over a month and a half, I well,
I guess it was a month or just over a month,
I had to believe what Karen believed.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So that's gonna.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Influence no matter what I think. If I were to
be able to have an opinion, it's just not correct. Yeah, exactly,
So I don't and personally, like again, like decompressing and
then processing is it takes it takes time.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
It's going to influence no matter what. Yep. So I
don't think it's fair to say one way or another.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Right, So let's talk about how we all all actors
are always interested in playing you know, people that have.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Interesting stories and something you know, high stakes, and this
purpose person certainly has all of those things.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I mean she.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think about this from a female standpoint in terms
of how we just want to like the press, if
this were a man would be so different then it
has been because she's a woman. The things that they
called her, well, from a cold blooded killer to escape
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go to a whack job, and then saying she's also
a babe. Like I just I first of all, how
do you kind of or do you try to incorporate
all of those things into the character, and then also
how do you I would have a hard time, I think,
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not really feeling like I wanted justice for this woman
in playing her, because I just feel like she's been
you know, mischaracterized, and everybody has sort of feels free
to say so many things about her that again, I
just don't think that would happen if it was a man.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I agree with you, I don't think. I definitely
think it would be a different situation.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
But again, like playing her, I couldn't let anything exterior influence,
if that makes sense, Like I'm playing this character so
I felt how probably she felt. When I mean, I
definitely felt how she felt when those words were being
said in courtroom.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
And I felt for her because I was portraying her.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, my version and my interpretation of her based off research.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, I do find there. I really appreciated both in the.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Obviously in the reality of what happened in the trial,
but in the film also there was something really important
about making those witnesses actually say the words that they
had the audacity to text, the horrible things they said
about her. This is a man running the entire investigation.
I mean, it's absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
And yeah, authentic. Yeah, yeah, yep, I appreciate. I appreciated
that too.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I saw the movie for the first time I want
to see I think it was yesterday or two days ago,
but yeah, it was. I appreciated how authentic it is
and it's great. Yeah, and I think Linda Lisa Hayter
did a fantastic job our director. I certainly couldn't have
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done this without her and she I just again, I
had to just flood myself with information and then just
blindly trust.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Right, do you think that you know?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm sure you're aware there was a huge social media
part of this that really got the word out to
millions of people about this case, and everybody's the ground
swell that happened. And I wonder if you either have
you already or I wonder if when this airs, because
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we're talking before it premieres, but when this episode will
go up, the movie will already have premiered. So I'm
curious if you're going to hear from any of these people.
You know, I'm sure you will.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean I try not to get again, just
as a creative type, I don't get caught up in
the social media as much as you think, as everybody
else may, I think it could be very toxic. I
don't allow myself to go scrolling trolling. Yeah, I'm like
it robs me from being present. Yes, creativity and learning
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and I love learning is something that I love. And
instead of like looking at what somebody's doing on a Tuesday,
I just don't care.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Not that I don't care about those people.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I just when I if I know them, and when
I see them, when we catch up, we'll catch up,
hopefully in person, and I'll find out what they've been
doing on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I mean, right, this is what is so crazy to
me because I feel similarly to you in that regard.
It seems to speak to that there is like a
real underbelly and a serious corruption in the mass Chusetts
Police Department.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I feel like that's what a lot of the people.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Are because I don't know how else you could get
so on board with something like These people feel like
it's personal to them. This Turtle boy have you Are
you aware of this person? He's in the movie. He
is a a blogger who basically turned himself into a
character in the case.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean, this guy just he had live streams.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Did these rabbit hole quote unquote investigations? I mean, did
you look at any of that coverage or have you
since seen any of it?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
I mean from what was I really tried to focus
on Karen and becoming Karen and what I found that
was interesting in doing that. You know, this whole thing
happened because a man was robbed of his life, John O'Keefe,
And from what I've learned, he was a really good man.
He took over his sister's kids and became their parent
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because his sister passed away, and he.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Seems like a very good man. But there's not a
lot on it.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
There's not that much on him, and that's what this
is about, and this person lost his life, and let's
I'm hoping people will take away from this movie like,
I hope it's almost like a tribute to him and
his life.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I think Love did a great job.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I mean, that's what I'm hoping people will sort of realize.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I guess what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think that they do.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Not the Turtle Boys or yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I think that that really comes across in the film
that because so he is somewhat lost in a lot
of this story and you're like, this is actually about
this man, and I think they the film really shows
that while their relationship was complicated, as most are to
some degree or another, you still see that these people
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had a true bond and that they certainly loved one another,
as imperfect as that was. And I do think that
I really was glad to see that, you know, and
that she Karen is saying, I'm the only person who
actually is looking for justice for this man, Like that's
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what we're doing here, right exactly?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So, because over the course of the movie, it feels
like she's there are moments like when she's unsure of
her innocence and then sure, and a lot of that
has to do with the alcohol impairment. And do you
think that Karen ever had any true doubts about whether
or not she did this?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I think there was a moment she it's almost like
it's a it's gaslighting almost, It's like yeah, sure, yeah, yeah,
you're like, wait, questioning my own your own reality.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I think she was. But then I think she thought
about it and was like, wait.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
A minute, I didn't know, right.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
I Like, so it's like they were. It's like she
was gas lit in a way that's just like a
whole other.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Thing, right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I think again that speaks to as women, we generally speaking,
are always much more able to say, oh, oh hold on,
was it my fault? And I really need to think
about this and look at that like we're a little
bit more willing to investigate ourselves and sort of be
self reflective.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And you know, again, I don't know if a man
would have done that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Do you think if Karen read watches this, what do
you hope that she sees in your performance.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Authenticity as much as possible?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
And I hope you know, honoring the story, honoring you know, her,
and and the way in the amount of time that
I had to prepare and hopefully flattered.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, when you were filming it, did you feel like, oh,
the world is invested in what we're doing right now,
Like did you I know, I'm sure that you felt
the responsibility to do justice to Karen and those things
when I'm wondering if you felt any you know, the
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kind of broader feeling of.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
People are obsessed with this, like that they are.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
It's something I learned when I was doing research, and
I was fascinated by how obsessed America was. But that's
not that was like a thought that went in and
out and then because I had to again stay focused
on becoming her in a way.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, well you did an amazing job, as I said,
and I you know, we we've never met before in person,
and so when I saw it, I was like, there
were moments I said before to one of the producers,
just your expressions in the courtroom, in those scenes especially,
I was like, this person is she is channeling her?
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And I was so glad that I had known before.
It just is like you did a really beautiful job
and it's such a compelling story.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You're welcome. It's true.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I'm like I put a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Of hard work to it. It's clear.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Thank you for acknowledging that. I appreciate it's clear.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And so the movie premieres on January tenth, but start
streaming on January eleventh, and you all should watch it.
Accused the Karen read story on Lifetime. Thank you so much, Katie.
It was a pleasure meeting you, and I hope the
film does really well.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Have a good
day too.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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that will wrap us up for today until next time.
Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here back with a new episode
of Killer Thriller. Today we are diving into a true
crime story that completely took over the headlines and honestly
the entire Internet for years. In twenty twenty two, Karen
Reid was charged with manslaughter and second degree murder, accused
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of killing her boyfriend, a Boston police officer, after a
night of heavy drinking during a brutal snowstorm. Prosecutors claimed
she hid him with her car and left him outside
in the snow. The story absolutely dominated local news and
became a national obsession. After a twenty twenty four mistrial,
the case was retried a year later and Karen Reid
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was acquitted of murder charges. But between accusations of a
police cover up, massive public protests, and true crime fandom,
the verdict only fueled the fire. So today we are
talking with Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in Lifetime.
This new film accused the Karen Reid story.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Amy Roboc and TJ.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, today we are talking about Karen Reid, and I
am here with my producers.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
To lay it out for you.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So Lifetime is doing a movie about the Karen Reid
stories starring Katie Cassidy, who will be joining us for
somebody listening, including myself. Can you set up who is
Karen Reid? I know the name? Did what is the story?
What did she do? What did she not do?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, first of all, to be clear, and this speaks
to how so many people know about this case. I
remember first being aware of it by someone standing on
an overpass on the freeway in LA with a big
sign that said free Karen Read.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And I was like, Who's Karen Reid and who is that?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that made me look it up and I went,
oh my god, this woman. So she What happened is
this woman lived in Boston with her boyfriend. It was
a blustery winter, snowy night, they all went out drinking,
and then she was accused of hitting this man with
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her car and leaving him to die and freeze to
death in the yard of a friend. Now there is
so much evidence to the contrary, and in fact it's
about like police cover up. All of these people believe
that the Massachusetts Police Department was is a conspiracy against her.
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And then the more that you read and see it's
really true. They gathered evidence in a solo cup. There
was some evidence that wasn't actually put into the proper
places until March. This happened in January. No one ever,
they never went into the house and questioned any of
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the people that were in the house at the time
they went there, which was about twelve thirty at night.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Now what's important to know is the.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Owner of that home was also a member of the
police department. And they have text messages from a state
trooper who becomes the head of the investigation, where he says, oh, yeah, no,
those guys aren't gonna suffer at all, essentially to the
extent like, oh no, We're not gonna be a part
of it. He's a part of the team too, like
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these very clear cover ups.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Was a boyfriend also a police officer?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, sorry, he was a police officer.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And is there any once he definitely hit with a car.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, This is the other part. The entire the prosecution's
case rests on the fact that he was hit by
a car and that Karen said over and over, I
killed him, I killed him, I killed him. That becomes
a big part of the case. But then it's revealed
that she never said it. They have no footage of
her saying this. But because everybody was so drunk and
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it was freezing cold, and they're all of these extenuating circumstances,
there's a whole thing about where he has these All
the injuries he had were scratches on his arm that
they likened to. They had an expert, the defense had
experts come in saying those are from a dog, that
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there's no evidence of him being hit by a car.
And then they find out the owners of the house
had a huge German shepherd who was known as quote
not good with strangers, and then they gave the dog
away like a month after this happened.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That this guy was.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Dronk and like just passed out in the snow and
froze to death.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Karen says that she saw him walk into the house
and then she left, and they are saying he never
went into the house. However, the police department and the
state troopers, they never investigated the house. They never interviewed
anyone who was in the house at the party.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How's at this party?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So they went they all were at a bar and
then they went.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Back to this like the after party at this Yes,
the after party at this was his body found at
this house? Yes, his body was found at the very
front end of the front yard by the street.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Could he have tripped, hit his head and then froze
to death. I mean he could have, yes. So what happens.
So then there's this Karen Reid trial. So she gets
accused of this crime.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yes, so they they say that she which also doesn't
make any sense, because they that she dropped him off,
you know, hit him with her car in an angry fit,
and then drove off and went home and went to
sleep and then woke up and was like, where is he?
He never came home. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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No one would do that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And there's also no evidence that she that he was
hit by a car.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So then there's they accuse her, She goes to trial,
and what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So she goes to trial.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
She first of all, there's a trial in twenty twenty
four and it ends in a hung jery. It's a mistrial.
So she goes back. They try her again in twenty
twenty five, and she has found not guilty on all
counts except for driving under the influence or one version
of that of drunk driving.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Knowing what you know? Do you also, and you've watched
this lifetime version, do you feel like she.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Is not guilty?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
You know, it's so interesting. I do think she's not guilty, Definitely,
I do. I mean in watching these I've watched documentary footage,
well in court footage, and when you see these witnesses
for the prosecution on the stand, they're they're not believable.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
They're not credible, got.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It, They are not credible, and they all keep repeating
the same things. And then when you get down to
the brass tacks of it, it literally it doesn't make
any sense that she could have or would have done this,
And they rely heavily on her voice males that she
left for him, which were like saying, I hate you.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
She was like drunk and angry because she went back
to his house and he never showed up and where
is he? And she thought he was sleeping with someone else?
And you feel like the volatility of this woman, but
that's also understandable. They had been arguing for the weeks prior,
they've been having problems, and sure they had a very imperfect,
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you know, relationship like most of us do, but you
can understand that. So then they use her words in
an emotional state to make it look like she was
angry enough to kill him. It seems very clear that
they put up the quote blue wall right where the
police are just saying this happened on our watch. Whether
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they someone beat him up, it looks like he was
beaten up and has scratches on his arm. However they don't.
No one talks about those things. They keep pressing that
he was hit by a car, which the experts say,
this is none of this fits with someone who is
hit by a car. And then they also have pieces
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of Another part of it is that her tail light
was broken, and then they find pieces of the tail
light where he was lying on the front lawn, but
they don't find those until over twelve hours later at night,
after they have brought her car in to be investigated,
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and they have it at the facility where they check
for evidence and things like that, and they have footage
where the police that sent the footage they reversed it
so it looks like you're looking at the one side
of the car when you're actually looking at the driver's side.
Like it's nefarious it's really really bad.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
As extraordinarily convoluted.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So I get why people are fascinated and also super
confused because I'm trying to keep up here.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, it's also you know, I think a big part
of this is, which I find fascinating and also pretty concerning,
that all of these people who have become her followers
and supporters, they're getting their information from this Turtle Boy
guy who has turned this in and I mean, bless him.
(10:01):
I hope his intentions are good and he certainly it
seems like he has helped to at least shine a
light on this, but you know, it's very self serving.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's you know, now he's got a movie deal.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Right, quite likable. Is that also people seem to be
so supportive or is it just so clear that something
is a miss here and she's being wrongfully accused.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I mean, I don't think anybody would disagree that something
is a miss. I think what they disagree on is
what exactly is it that is a miss?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And you know, a big part of this is when
people are that intoxicated and it's snowing and it's late hours,
you know, and the investigation was botched so severely, but
that feels like that was intentional.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, let's get into this with.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the new Lifetime
movie Hused the Karen Reid's story. All right, Katie, it's
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so great to meet you. Thank you so much for
speaking with me today.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I just finished watching the movie, and I mean, I
don't even know where to begin, so I'll just start
by saying, you're like channeling her in a crazy way
where you actually your facial expressions and all. It's like
you completely transformed into this person. So I just want
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to commend you for that.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Thank you saying that. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I definitely it's interesting because it happened. So this movie
happened so quickly. I had like seventy two hours or something.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh my god, you're kidding to prepare.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, And so I basically just did a huge deep
dive and just like flooded myself with as much information
on the internet as I possibly could research and watched interviews,
read things like I just I completely.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Immersed myself into in it.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
And I was also actually at the time, I was
sick and I was lying back from Miami to LA
And when I got the call from my agent, my manager,
and I was like, can I let you guys know,
I'm like not really feeling been sick. And they were like, yeah,
you can let us know by the time you land,
because you need to start filming Monday.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
And it was a Friday.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh, And I was like, okay.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I let me give me the flight at least so
to decide. And yeah, I mean I was very intrigued
by the story itself, by America's obsession story.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, so you had heard about it before you knew
Were you familiar with the case, were you following it
like everyone?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
No? Oh, I actually didn't know about it at all.
Everybody else did. So I don't know if I live
under a rock or what's going on, But you know,
I was just I was just very intrigued by it.
And then I paid a lot of attention to her
mannerisms and her facial expression and her dialect and lack
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there like her accent and lack thereof. Sometimes she has
an accent, I've when I was listening, and sometimes she didn't,
And so it all sort of it's like it all
happened the way it was supposed to happen, the universe
wanted it to happen, and being sick, you know, it
actually lended to the character, I think because she going
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through that was pretty you know, run down.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Run down, exhausted. Yes, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So even though she was eventually found not guilty obviously
of murder, she's currently facing a wrongful death suit and
her attorney, Alan Jackson, who is obviously famous for defending
Kevin Spacey Harvey Weinstein and was going to defend Nick
Reiner for the horrific murder of his parents, but he
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has about out of that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Do you in how he's going.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
To also represent her in the civil case? This is
always a question when you're playing someone real, right, and
it's so present. I mean, Lifetime is known for making
these ripped from the headlines movies, but this is literally
happening as you're doing.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
It, and it's still not over, and it's.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Still not over.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So how much did you feel like a responsibility to
do her a service? Obviously when you're playing and when
you have to kind of invest yourself in that person regardless,
but did you feel like any kind of real personal.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Feelings about this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Like of how you wanted her to be seen, did
you want justice for her? Did any of that play
into how you played her?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I guess to be honest with you, Playing Karen, I
had to think like Karen and believe what Karen believes.
And I was asked this question, what is your opinion?
And the truth is is I don't. We wrapped in November,
and I had no I didn't really have that much
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time to prepare, and I really just threw myself into
this character and it was so intense, and we finished
in November. And after I come off of a film,
especially something like that, it takes me time to decompress
and sure almost still processing, Yeah, because it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
That long ago.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah, So I haven't really even been able to inform
an opinion myself. I just know, thinking like Karen, portraying
her being sort of becoming her, I had to think
and believe what she did. And that's why it influenced
my personal opinion at least for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
There are so many elements of this I think that
made people just so obsessed with it. It sort of
has everything. I mean, first of all, they're all drinking,
everyone is drunk. There is a blizzard in a massive snowstorm,
a complicated relationship, like all of these things are so.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Just chock full of intensity that I you know, did
you have at.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Any points when you were going through it where you
thinking this is bananas?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did this really happen? Like this is crazy?
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I mean it is it is crazy, But again, like
I couldn't really form my own opinion on it.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I just had to throw myself into what into it?
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I couldn't really question if did
it happen?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Did it not? I mean, well she did at one point. Yeah.
I just had to just go for it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Right, I Mean, there are so many I also watched
the documentary part at least that the one that has
come out, as I'm sure there are a million more
that will come out, but where they really show you
all of the evidence and how just kind of failed
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the whole investigation was And even as a person like
myself who clearly is not involved in law enforcement to
any degree, I was watching it, going how was this
allowed to happen? You know, how to carry getting blood
samples in a solo cup and the fact that they
just never investigated the people who were in the house
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that night I just think that's so unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean I think the film shines a light
for me or like, you know, just on the complexity
of our legal system.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yes, and.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
I mean it is wild the way it all went down,
and it is sort of like unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
The Dixie Cups.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, I saw a woman wearing dixie cup ear ring,
you know, like solo cup earrings, talking to someone in
the press like people have they just like jumped on
this bandwagon to support her. Did you ever come to
your own conclusions about what you think really happened.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
It's really hard to to form an opinion of my
own when for over a month and a half, I well,
I guess it was a month or just over a month,
I had to believe what Karen believed.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So that's gonna.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Influence no matter what I think. If I were to
be able to have an opinion, it's just not correct. Yeah, exactly,
So I don't and personally, like again, like decompressing and
then processing is it takes it takes time.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
It's going to influence no matter what. Yep. So I
don't think it's fair to say one way or another.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Right, So let's talk about how we all all actors
are always interested in playing you know, people that have.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Interesting stories and something you know, high stakes, and this
purpose person certainly has all of those things.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I mean she.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think about this from a female standpoint in terms
of how we just want to like the press, if
this were a man would be so different then it
has been because she's a woman. The things that they
called her, well, from a cold blooded killer to escape
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go to a whack job, and then saying she's also
a babe. Like I just I first of all, how
do you kind of or do you try to incorporate
all of those things into the character, and then also
how do you I would have a hard time, I think,
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not really feeling like I wanted justice for this woman
in playing her, because I just feel like she's been
you know, mischaracterized, and everybody has sort of feels free
to say so many things about her that again, I
just don't think that would happen if it was a man.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I agree with you, I don't think. I definitely
think it would be a different situation.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
But again, like playing her, I couldn't let anything exterior influence,
if that makes sense, Like I'm playing this character so
I felt how probably she felt. When I mean, I
definitely felt how she felt when those words were being
said in courtroom.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
And I felt for her because I was portraying her.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, my version and my interpretation of her based off research.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, I do find there. I really appreciated both in the.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Obviously in the reality of what happened in the trial,
but in the film also there was something really important
about making those witnesses actually say the words that they
had the audacity to text, the horrible things they said
about her. This is a man running the entire investigation.
I mean, it's absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
And yeah, authentic. Yeah, yeah, yep, I appreciate. I appreciated
that too.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I saw the movie for the first time I want
to see I think it was yesterday or two days ago,
but yeah, it was. I appreciated how authentic it is
and it's great. Yeah, and I think Linda Lisa Hayter
did a fantastic job our director. I certainly couldn't have
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done this without her and she I just again, I
had to just flood myself with information and then just
blindly trust.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Right, do you think that you know?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm sure you're aware there was a huge social media
part of this that really got the word out to
millions of people about this case, and everybody's the ground
swell that happened. And I wonder if you either have
you already or I wonder if when this airs, because
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we're talking before it premieres, but when this episode will
go up, the movie will already have premiered. So I'm
curious if you're going to hear from any of these people.
You know, I'm sure you will.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean I try not to get again, just
as a creative type, I don't get caught up in
the social media as much as you think, as everybody
else may, I think it could be very toxic. I
don't allow myself to go scrolling trolling. Yeah, I'm like
it robs me from being present. Yes, creativity and learning
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and I love learning is something that I love. And
instead of like looking at what somebody's doing on a Tuesday,
I just don't care.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Not that I don't care about those people.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I just when I if I know them, and when
I see them, when we catch up, we'll catch up,
hopefully in person, and I'll find out what they've been
doing on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I mean, right, this is what is so crazy to
me because I feel similarly to you in that regard.
It seems to speak to that there is like a
real underbelly and a serious corruption in the mass Chusetts
Police Department.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I feel like that's what a lot of the people.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Are because I don't know how else you could get
so on board with something like These people feel like
it's personal to them. This Turtle boy have you Are
you aware of this person? He's in the movie. He
is a a blogger who basically turned himself into a
character in the case.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean, this guy just he had live streams.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Did these rabbit hole quote unquote investigations? I mean, did
you look at any of that coverage or have you
since seen any of it?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
I mean from what was I really tried to focus
on Karen and becoming Karen and what I found that
was interesting in doing that. You know, this whole thing
happened because a man was robbed of his life, John O'Keefe,
And from what I've learned, he was a really good man.
He took over his sister's kids and became their parent
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because his sister passed away, and he.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Seems like a very good man. But there's not a
lot on it.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
There's not that much on him, and that's what this
is about, and this person lost his life, and let's
I'm hoping people will take away from this movie like,
I hope it's almost like a tribute to him and
his life.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And I think Love did a great job.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I mean, that's what I'm hoping people will sort of realize.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
I guess what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think that they do.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Not the Turtle Boys or yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I think that that really comes across in the film
that because so he is somewhat lost in a lot
of this story and you're like, this is actually about
this man, and I think they the film really shows
that while their relationship was complicated, as most are to
some degree or another, you still see that these people
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had a true bond and that they certainly loved one another,
as imperfect as that was. And I do think that
I really was glad to see that, you know, and
that she Karen is saying, I'm the only person who
actually is looking for justice for this man, Like that's
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what we're doing here, right exactly?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So, because over the course of the movie, it feels
like she's there are moments like when she's unsure of
her innocence and then sure, and a lot of that
has to do with the alcohol impairment. And do you
think that Karen ever had any true doubts about whether
or not she did this?
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I think there was a moment she it's almost like
it's a it's gaslighting almost, It's like yeah, sure, yeah, yeah,
you're like, wait, questioning my own your own reality.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I think she was. But then I think she thought
about it and was like, wait.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
A minute, I didn't know, right.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
I Like, so it's like they were. It's like she
was gas lit in a way that's just like a
whole other.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Thing, right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I think again that speaks to as women, we generally speaking,
are always much more able to say, oh, oh hold on,
was it my fault? And I really need to think
about this and look at that like we're a little
bit more willing to investigate ourselves and sort of be
self reflective.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And you know, again, I don't know if a man
would have done that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Do you think if Karen read watches this, what do
you hope that she sees in your performance.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Authenticity as much as possible?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
And I hope you know, honoring the story, honoring you know, her,
and and the way in the amount of time that
I had to prepare and hopefully flattered.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, when you were filming it, did you feel like, oh,
the world is invested in what we're doing right now,
Like did you I know, I'm sure that you felt
the responsibility to do justice to Karen and those things
when I'm wondering if you felt any you know, the
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kind of broader feeling of.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
People are obsessed with this, like that they are.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
It's something I learned when I was doing research, and
I was fascinated by how obsessed America was. But that's
not that was like a thought that went in and
out and then because I had to again stay focused
on becoming her in a way.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, well you did an amazing job, as I said,
and I you know, we we've never met before in person,
and so when I saw it, I was like, there
were moments I said before to one of the producers,
just your expressions in the courtroom, in those scenes especially,
I was like, this person is she is channeling her?
(29:55):
And I was so glad that I had known before.
It just is like you did a really beautiful job
and it's such a compelling story.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You're welcome. It's true.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I'm like I put a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Of hard work to it. It's clear.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Thank you for acknowledging that. I appreciate it's clear.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And so the movie premieres on January tenth, but start
streaming on January eleventh, and you all should watch it.
Accused the Karen read story on Lifetime. Thank you so much, Katie.
It was a pleasure meeting you, and I hope the
film does really well.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Have a good
day too.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Okay, I want to hear what cases you all are
interested in hearing about. What are you watching that you
want us to talk about. What actors or producers or
directors do you want to hear from? Hit us up
at our dms at Killer Thriller Pod on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And let us know.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Make sure to follow the pod on socials and subscribe
to Amy and TJ Resents wherever you listen to podcasts
that will wrap us up for today until next time.
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