December 18, 2025 • 24 mins
Nick Reiner has officially been charged with two counts of first-degree murder.
Emily and Shane are diving into new details about his strange behavior the night before the murders, the bloodied hotel room he left behind and the surveillance video showing his arrest.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
will be your host, Emily Simpson with Shane with Shane. Okay,
so today we're going to do an update on the
Rob and Michelle Reiner case. We have done a previous
episode when there was just breaking news. So obviously, because
this is huge, everybody's talking about it. There's new information
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that's coming out quickly, rapidly each day. So we're going
to do an update. And obviously this case will be ongoing,
so they'll probably be lots of updates in regards.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To this all the way through the sentencing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So the New York Times reported on some of the
latest updates. It was a good article because they broke down.
You know, I take information from a lot of places,
but this was a really good article. So Nick Reiner
made a brief initial court appearance Wednesday morning, but did
not enter a plea, one day after prosecutors charged him
with murder and the stabbing deaths of his parents. The
Los Angeles County Medical Examiner has confirmed that Rob and
(00:56):
Michelle Reiner died Sunday from multiple sharp force injuries. Now
we talked about earlier. I believe that it was reported
or speculated. Maybe, I don't know if it's been confirmed
that it was that they were slit.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Like their throats were.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The LAPD Assistant Chief Dominic Choi told police commissioners on
Tuesday that investigators quickly focused on the couple's younger son,
Nick Reiner. Within hours of the discovery, he was taken
into custody Sunday night without incident. You know, that was
also a question I had. We still don't know the
exact timeframe of when they believe the murders took place,
but we talked about in this previous episode because again
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I always question how someone overcomes to people. So we
do know that the bodies were found in the master bedroom,
even though they have not give us given us a
timeframe of when the murder occurred. I'm going to speculate
that they were sleeping and that it was sometime during
the night.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I thought that they were in their bed.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
They were they were in their bed, So I'm going
to guess that it was sometime in an hour when
someone would be in a deep sleep. And that's how
you can overcome two people at one time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Emily just pictures herself as no one could ever get
her she would be so fast. I would I'm telling you,
if they killed me first, she would get.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Away absolutely so, yeah, no, yes, I'd be out of there.
I'd be out the window.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why wouldn't you go out the door? Why are you
going out the window?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Because if I go out the door, they can chase
me in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The murders can I escape through windows.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I just feel like I have a better chance if
I go out the window, all right, because then I'll
be in the dark in the backyard and I can hide.
If I'm running through the house, they can you know,
there's this more room in the house for them to
get me anyway. That's the way my mind works. These
are things that I literally lay in bed at night
and think about, all right. So, prosecutors formally have charged
Nick Reiner on Tuesday with two counts of first degree murder,
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and the Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hawkman is
seeking special circumstances, which could make Reiner eligible for either
the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility
of parole.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't get the special circumstances. I know, I understood that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think it's because it was with a knife, but
it's like, how else do you murder me?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, it was double homicide.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh that's what makes it a special.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think that's part of it anyway, and maybe with
the knife. But it's like, it's like, murder is murder, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Whether it was if it was one or two people.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was fetanol and he died well in his sleep,
and you know, and so it was kind of he
made No, it's still murder. Yeah, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So you're saying, why tack on a special circumstance, regardless of.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
The they're all they're all special.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
They're all special.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Reiner appeared in Los Angeles Superior Court wearing a suicide
prevention smock. I like how they called it a smock.
I don't feel like I've ever heard of it called
a smock before.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, we're going to talk about that in a minute.
But and he had been expected to enter a plea. However,
his attorney, Alan Jackson, and we all know how I
feel about Alan Jackson. I love Alan Jackson. The court
it was too early to do so, adding that both
sides agreed to postpone the arraignment until January seventh. What
do you think about postponing his plea? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I think I I don't know, as long as
he's still in jail.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And well, he's still in jail because he has no bail.
The four million bail is gone.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now it's why was there four million in the first place.
So there's four million dollars bail and then they're all
and Jackson gets hired and then there's zero bail, zero bail.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
There's no bail.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That says something.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, So a sus let's talk about the smock.
When I think smock, I think like pottery and.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think smock. I think what is the smock? I
think I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I feel like a smock like you wear when you're
painting or you're doing pottery. You don't want to get
your clothes dirty, so you put a smock on an
apron like yes, but they smock, I don't know. So. Notably,
an anti suicide smock has been worn by notorious criminals
in the past.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
How does the smock protect oneself?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Okay? An anti suicide smock is a vest that is
specifically designed to minimize the risk of suicide amongst higher
risk individuals. This is according to the suicide Prevention Company
PSP Core per their site, the vests are typically used
for military personnel, inmates and those who are on suicide watch,
and mental health facilities. Maybe it's because if you have
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regular clothes on, you can even rip your clothes up
to make like a noose or something, so like this
type of vest can't be torn or manipulated in any way. Okay.
They are colorless, sleeveless gowns with adjustable openings at their
shoulder and down the front, which are closed with nylon
hooks and loops or similar fasteners. They are made with
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the same material as blankets. It's thickness makes it impossible
to roll or fold the material into a noose.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, So it's to not have thin material that they
can use.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Type.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It is also meant so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They're wearing like a mattress. It's basically not a mattress
what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's also meant to provide warmth without impeding the mobility
of the person wearing it. It makes me feel like
it's like a weighted blanket that like calms you down,
but you can't rip it or tear do anything with it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
In a way. It kind of restrains you a little.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't know, but it's called an anti.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Swe Nonetheless, they were worried about in order to wear
the last they were worried about suicide.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Suicide.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yes, so that's what we get.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And I believe that's why he didn't make it to
his first court appearance, because Alan Jackson did a press
conference and said that he was not medically cleared yet,
which I assume medical.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Line of defense. Oh, he's insane, Yes, put a smock
on him.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I have a feeling that that's going to be the defense. Right.
That's why they pushed back his arraignment to January seventh, because.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I imagine, So I don't imagine the defense is going
to be they attacked him first year honor.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, I'm going to say it's going to be reason
of insanity or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So they're all insane if they're killing their parents in
a layman's term, yes, not an illegal sense.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Later Wednesday, the siblings released their first public statements since
the deaths, asking for privacy as they grieve. Quote, words
cannot even begin to describe the unimaginable pain we are
experiencing every moment of the day. The horrific and devastating
loss of our parents, Robin Michelle Reiner is something that
no one should ever experience. They weren't just our parents,
they were our best friends. I don't know that that
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makes me sad they called him their best friends. I mean,
I think that's lovely that older kids found their parents
to be their best friends and wanted to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Hang out with them. Lived across the street from.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Ye, the daughter lived across the street, so.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But sat all the way around regardless.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
All right, let's just go through a little bit of
a timeline. Since we have more details of this case
now and what happened, and you know, we know he
was arrested, let's just go through some of this timeline.
So on Saturday, December fourteenth, Nick Reiner attends Conan O'Brien's
holiday party with his parents. He's wearing a hoodie while
the rest of the attendees are dressed in tuxedos at
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the party.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was it a black hoodie?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Was it a band's hoodie?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I knew I should have gone to the party. I
was too tired that I should have gone.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, next time Conan invites you, Oh yeah, I'll.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Be on the lookout, Nick.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Was allegedly approaching a list guests asking what's your name,
what's your last name? Are you famous? This is according
to the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
When I first read this that he that he went
around saying that to people.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay, he went around the party asking people if they
were famous.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And that's why they're at Conan O'Brien's I know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I was like, what party do you think you're at?
This is why you have a hoodie on. Anyway, Allegedly,
Nick interrupted Bill Hayter. Do you remember you know who
Bill Hayter is from Saturday Night?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He was the dayline guy.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, while he was in the middle of a private conversation.
An insider told NBC News that Nick stared at Hater
before storming off. I don't I guess he was just
off the whole night, and I guess he was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It didn't matter that it was Bill Hayter, it could
have been anyone. He was obviously not responding, right, he's.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
In a hoodie. He's walking around asking people if they're famous.
The hoodie Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to leave the
hoodie out of it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'd wear one too if I could. I know you
are well aware that you would.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Due to his behavior, Nick was asked to leave the
party early. Sources have said that Rob and Michelle brought
Nick to the party to keep an eye on him
amid concerns of his history with drug addiction. And I
don't know if it's known if they all left together
or else. Nick was asked to leave because he was
disruptive or he was kind of freaking the guests out,
and then I and then his parents were embarrassed and
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they left later. I don't know, but we know that
they all left. So then early morning of Sunday, This
is the next day, December fifteenth. According to La District
Attorney Nathan Hawkman, Rob and Michelle were killed in the
early morning hours on Sunday. Investigative sources told The Daily
Mail that the couple was found in bed with their
throats cut, and that they may have been asleep when
the murder occurred. Sources say rigamortis had begun to set in,
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suggesting that they had been dead for several hours when
their daughter found them around three pm. A source adds
that Nick may have returned home after the party and
killed them during the night.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, what a horrific scene that their daughter had to see. Yeah,
Griga mortis, Yeah, which is unsettling. Yeah, I'm sure there
was a lot of blood. And then if it was
the throats, which we think it was, that's even more visual.
Right then stabbed I don't mean to be griston, but
then stabbed in the torso and they have like clothes
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on or something. Yeah, so it's just it's just red blood.
This is like gory.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. I also read I think this was the New
York Times that we know the masseuse went to do
their massage appointment and then they didn't answer, they didn't
open the gate. So then the messuse became concerned, which
we talked about earlier.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That auviously would have been like yeah, your messuse, Yeah,
charge him full price.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He's not here, he said, no show. But the messuse
became concern. Yeah, which makes me believe that they this
is someone that they used often, probably.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That they've maybe they saw maybe the messius saw cars.
I had a reason to think they were home. Maybe
she confirmed he or she confirmed the night before it
comes there's cars there and they're like, okay, something's wrong.
I know the daughter lives across the street.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So they reach out to the daughter and say, you
know that their parents aren't answering. So the daughter comes
over with a roommate to check on her parents. She
goes into the house. She goes into the bedroom, she
only sees her dad and she screams, runs out, tells.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The roommate in the room together.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
No, they both are, but she doesn't see her mom.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay, she saw one and father, but not the mother.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So she screams, she's obviously, you know, frantic and traumatizing
all the things, runs out, asks the roommates call nine
one one. The roommate calls nine one one. When the
police come, then I believe the police confirm with the
daughter that actually both of her parents were in the bed.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I got worse news for you. It's both of them. Yeah,
that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Around four am on Sunday, this is so the son,
Nick checks into the peer Side Santa Monica hotel using
his own credit card. Witnesses have described him as looking
tweaked out. This is per TMZ.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Wait there you go. He's using the credit card. That
might have been how they tracked him.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, because I was asking you, how did the police
find him so quickly? Well, first, well, this is what
we were talking about earlier. In order for them to
arrest him, they had to have probable cause.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So I don't know what they.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Discovered when they discovered the bodies that led them so
quickly to him. I don't know if maybe there's doorbell footage,
ring footage.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
If there's, it would have to be in the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But yeah, well a lot of people have I mean,
he has to enter the house because I believe he
didn't live in the house. I think I read that
he lived like in a guest house. It's a huge house.
It's thirteen thousand square cubs.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And goes, and it shows on the footage.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That I don't know. I don't know how big the
house is. It's just a big house in Brentwood.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
If it can if it showed that it came, he
came and left, I don't know. That's not probable cause.
That's enough to say he's a person interest, let's reach
out to him and see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I'm just wondering what the evidence was that they
found when they first arrived that allowed them to immediately
look for him, find him, and arrest him. So I'm
sure we'll find out those there are more details that
will come.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Out of that was written in blood on the wall.
So this is what I'm gonna guess. Then how how
they maybe this is the probable cause, is they're gonna
they're gonna obviously kind of sweep the area. Maybe they're
like maybe the daughter saying, look into our son and
my brother, right, there's an altercation. So then they look
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up his credit card charges or whatever. They find him
at a hotel. They go to the hotel to try
to investigate, and then staff reports blood or this and that,
and then they go And that's quite a bit of
probable cause.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I still have a question whether he murdered his parents
before he checked into the hotel or after he checked
into the hotel, because they claim when he checked into
the hotel that he didn't have any blood on him anywhere.
So I don't know if he checked into the hotel,
leaves the hotel, goes back, or when he checked into
the hotel, he cleaned himself up, or he had a
jacket on, so maybe he was covered, yeah, covered the blood.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But do we know that they arrested him or do
they detain him for questioning and then maybe later while
he's detained they're investigating, and people are reporting blood and
this and that, and then they say, okay, now we're
gonna press charges because you can detain without pressing charges.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
They had three cop cars that pulled up when they
found him, and he put his arms up in the air.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And the due time, due time will find out.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Also when Romi, this is the daughter, after she went
over and she found the bodies, I do know she
contacted her dad's longtime friend, Billy Crystal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I think the first person I read yea, she had
reached out to right.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And first responders pronounced both victims dead at the scene.
Later that day, Romy tell's authorities that her brother also
lived on the property, but Nick is not found in
the guest house. From there, the LAPD issues an alert
for Nick Reiner. So so there must have been we
don't know the details, but there must have been other
things that point towards him. At around nine to fifteen
pm on Sunday, Nick Reiner is arrested approximately fifteen miles
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from the Hiner's Brentwood home at a Los Angeles gas
station and exposition park. My question is, how did he
get from the house to fifteen miles away. Maybe there's
a train.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well, probably a car was he was at a gas station.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I thought he wasn't driving though, I don't know. He
didn't have a car uber. I don't know. I feel
like an uber driver would have come forward. He walked
fifteen miles, I don't know. Video obtained by The New
York Post shows a multiple shows multiple unmarked police cars
surrounding him. Nick appeared calm raising his arms in surrender
immediately before being taken into custody by homicide detectives and
(15:19):
US marshals. They show video footage of him. He went
into an Arco a gas station. Yeah, he's I don't know,
he's his like walking around like a normal person with
a backpack and a jacket. He bought a blue gatorade.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, people say that about murders all the time. What
are they supposed to be doing, I don't know, sweaty
and stressing it would be.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I don't know. I don't know how you murdered your
parents in the middle of the night and then you
leave their house and then you just walk around LA.
You go into a gas station, you buy a gateorade.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's a blue Gatorade, by the way.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, GATORAE light. That's what our kids like.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I know. Nick is being held without bail at Twin
Towers Correctional Facility and has been placed on suicide watch.
Authority state there is no indication that was under the
influence of drugs at the time of the murders. Well
that's interesting because I would have guessed that he would
have been extremely Authorities have not yet disclosed what evidence
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they are relying on, nor whether a weapon or forensic
evidence has been recovered, you know, and I understand they're
not going to release all that to the public, but
it leaves so many questions as to timeline, when it
was done, how he got to the gas station, what
probable cause they had to arrest him. There's a lot
of questions, still a lot of questions. So who is
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Nick Reiner's defense team? Prominent criminal defense lawyer Alan Jackson,
And if you have listened to any of our previous podcasts,
you'll know that I'm a big fan of Alan Jackson.
He's represented many high profile cebrities. I don't know, just
in the Karen retrial, and when he did his opening
statement in his closing I was like, he's just he's
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going no, no, No, that's the other attorney. I like,
can't keep up and there wasn't a trial.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well no, but there, you're right, there's litigation.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Jackson confirmed outside the downtown Los Angeles courthouse Tuesday that
he is serving as Reiner's attorney, and was also seen
that day at the family's Brentwood residence. Okay, I have
so many questions about how Alan Jackson is his attorney.
First of all, Alan Jackson is such a high profile
attorney that he has to cost a lot of money
a ton, Like, you know, he's expensive. He's probably one
thousand dollars an hour at least. Who reached out to him,
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like whose idea was?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
No one? I think no one reached out to him.
I imagine he reached well, I don't know, because they can't.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
They can't do that Chase. That's unethical. So I don't know.
I'm saying who within Nick's inner circle, I don't know.
I know what my question is is who recommended Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Probably took your advice, listened, He listens, that's it, and
he thought Emily is a huge chance for Alan Jackson.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So I'm gonna I'm going to hire Alan Jackson, and
I wonder where the money's coming from to pay Alan
Jackson's fees, because there's no way that he's doing this
pro bono. That man does not need to do anything
pro bonout.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, people don't do pro bona because they need to
do promoning.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I'm saying, I'm saying such a no. But I'm
saying some people would take a high profile case like this,
as you said, profile again, high profile case like this
for free because they would get so much publicity and
their business would probably most likely that boom. But I'm
saying he doesn't need that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'm gonna say if he's doing it without pay, One,
the pay might be deferred, so if he's found not guilty,
he'll have an estate and then they'll bill him and
he'll pay that way. Or two. Alan Jackson probably has
such such a well fine tuned law firm that's lucrative
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and successful that he takes these high profile cases out
of passion and to do what he loves to do.
And as a result, his name is out there and
people call his law firm, and then he gets more
cases that way for his other attorneys.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, but then you're saying that he's doing it, then
he's not doing it for a fee.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I said, two options.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I need more information on that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So well you d m him.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I've tried.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
He doesn't know who you are. Actually request a cameo
from Alan Jackson. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
If he was on cameo, I order, I don't care.
I would pay for it and I would order it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Good looking or something.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, he's good looking, and he's smart, and he's just
he's powerful, and he's he's a he's a good attorney.
I don't know. I don't like. I don't fangirl over
movie stars. No, not really, Okay, I like rip a
little rip here and there, little Charlie Hunham. Over the years,
Jackson has represented a number of widely known clients. Most recently,
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he secured an acquittal for Karen Reid. He also defended
actor Kevin Ski.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, that's another question. How did he How did Karen
Reid pay his bill?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
She mortgaged her house and her foot and she's so
the cash out her four to oh one k and
her retirement and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Man, no shame in Alan Jackson's took her for what
she's worthing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, she also had a fund that people donated to
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So maybe he's anticipating some funds coming his way, some
opportunities coming his way. He might get something out of
the will if he's not found guilty of homicide, things
like that, and so it's a risk he takes to
have a high profile case.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Jackson was also part of the defense team for film
producer Harvey Weinstein during his Los Angeles trial, which resulted
in Weinstein's conviction on multiple felony counts, including rape, and
a sixteen year prison.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
S Oh, this definitely sounds a guy you.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Would find well, you know, I mean, you can't all.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I wonder how Harvey paid his bills.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
In addition, Jackson is currently representing Fraser Michael Boehme, who
is accused of killing the four Pepper Dye University sorority
sisters in a twenty twenty three crash on Pacific Coast
Highway in Malibu. So, you know what, some people sent
me dms because I posted in my Instagram stories you
know that Alan Jackson was representing Nick Reiner, and then
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some people DMed and they were like, Oh, that's disgusting.
Why would he do that? You know, like he shouldn't
do that. At the end of the day, if you're
a defense attorney, that's what you do. And everyone deserves
a defense. I don't care who you want.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
To keep prosecution in check, you do.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's a check and balances. Everyone deserves a good defense.
And that's how I mean, that's how the system operates.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, it doesn't mean he's he's going to get
him to be found not guilty. It could be you
you make sure it's a proper sentencing, or the charges
aren't outrageous, or you know, and you keep prosecution in check,
because then it'll be the next one, the next one,
next one, the next thing. You know, prosecutors could single
handedly start to just steamroll everything. And so it's checks
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and balances. So the prosecution team, that's case why you
need to judge one had to throw them in.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Jail, right exactly what you're saying, really that thought is
there should be no due process because this guy obviously
killed his parents, but we have to go through the
legal system. Everyone deserves a fair trial and everyone deserves
to be defended. So the prosecution team includes veteran attorneys
have been I don't have to say the last name,
Ballion and Jonathan Chung, both of whom have handled high
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profile homicide cases under intense public scrutiny. Bil On previously
played a leading role in opposing resentencing efforts for Lyle
and Eric Menendez, who's nineteen eighty nine murders of their
parents resurfaced in the public eye after the recent Monsters
series that was on Netflix. So this prosecutor was very
anti recencing. But I mean, we know they got resentenced.
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They're just still in prison and maybe they'll get paroled.
That's a whole other episode was the recentencing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
What was the end result?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Remind me, well, they're eligible for parole now based on
their recent saying. Chong meanwhile obtain a f eleni conviction
last year in a widely watched case involving a man
who broke into the Los Angeles home of Mayor Karen Bass.
So there we are. That's the most recent updates on
the Rob and Michelle Reiner case and their son, Nick Reiner.
(23:16):
We will continue to follow this case because I find
it so interesting and I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
About do you have any predictions.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think he's going to plead not guilty by reason
of insanity, and that's my prediction. Right now, Okay, because
he does have a history not only of drug use
and drug abuse, but also of mental illness. And then
I think the fact that he was at that party
with so many people and so many people are talking
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about his behavior, I think they're going to have expert
witnesses come in that talk about like he was going
through psychosis or something and he wasn't, he wasn't in
his right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
State, talk about what the sensing is.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, the special circumstance allows you to seek the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, and so death penalty is on the table. Yes,
they haven't said they're going to pursue that yet. Right,
that's available. It's an option. That's an option, and then
the other option is a lifetime I think without parol.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys for listening
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Speaker 2 (24:31):
Thank you,
Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
will be your host, Emily Simpson with Shane with Shane. Okay,
so today we're going to do an update on the
Rob and Michelle Reiner case. We have done a previous
episode when there was just breaking news. So obviously, because
this is huge, everybody's talking about it. There's new information
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that's coming out quickly, rapidly each day. So we're going
to do an update. And obviously this case will be ongoing,
so they'll probably be lots of updates in regards.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To this all the way through the sentencing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So the New York Times reported on some of the
latest updates. It was a good article because they broke down.
You know, I take information from a lot of places,
but this was a really good article. So Nick Reiner
made a brief initial court appearance Wednesday morning, but did
not enter a plea, one day after prosecutors charged him
with murder and the stabbing deaths of his parents. The
Los Angeles County Medical Examiner has confirmed that Rob and
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Michelle Reiner died Sunday from multiple sharp force injuries. Now
we talked about earlier. I believe that it was reported
or speculated. Maybe, I don't know if it's been confirmed
that it was that they were slit.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Like their throats were.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The LAPD Assistant Chief Dominic Choi told police commissioners on
Tuesday that investigators quickly focused on the couple's younger son,
Nick Reiner. Within hours of the discovery, he was taken
into custody Sunday night without incident. You know, that was
also a question I had. We still don't know the
exact timeframe of when they believe the murders took place,
but we talked about in this previous episode because again
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I always question how someone overcomes to people. So we
do know that the bodies were found in the master bedroom,
even though they have not give us given us a
timeframe of when the murder occurred. I'm going to speculate
that they were sleeping and that it was sometime during
the night.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I thought that they were in their bed.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
They were they were in their bed, So I'm going
to guess that it was sometime in an hour when
someone would be in a deep sleep. And that's how
you can overcome two people at one time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Emily just pictures herself as no one could ever get
her she would be so fast. I would I'm telling you,
if they killed me first, she would get.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Away absolutely so, yeah, no, yes, I'd be out of there.
I'd be out the window.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Why wouldn't you go out the door? Why are you
going out the window?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Because if I go out the door, they can chase
me in the house.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The murders can I escape through windows.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I just feel like I have a better chance if
I go out the window, all right, because then I'll
be in the dark in the backyard and I can hide.
If I'm running through the house, they can you know,
there's this more room in the house for them to
get me anyway. That's the way my mind works. These
are things that I literally lay in bed at night
and think about, all right. So, prosecutors formally have charged
Nick Reiner on Tuesday with two counts of first degree murder,
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and the Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hawkman is
seeking special circumstances, which could make Reiner eligible for either
the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility
of parole.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't get the special circumstances. I know, I understood that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think it's because it was with a knife, but
it's like, how else do you murder me?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, it was double homicide.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh that's what makes it a special.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think that's part of it anyway, and maybe with
the knife. But it's like, it's like, murder is murder, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Whether it was if it was one or two people.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was fetanol and he died well in his sleep,
and you know, and so it was kind of he
made No, it's still murder. Yeah, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So you're saying, why tack on a special circumstance, regardless of.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
The they're all they're all special.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
They're all special.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Reiner appeared in Los Angeles Superior Court wearing a suicide
prevention smock. I like how they called it a smock.
I don't feel like I've ever heard of it called
a smock before.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, we're going to talk about that in a minute.
But and he had been expected to enter a plea. However,
his attorney, Alan Jackson, and we all know how I
feel about Alan Jackson. I love Alan Jackson. The court
it was too early to do so, adding that both
sides agreed to postpone the arraignment until January seventh. What
do you think about postponing his plea? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I think I I don't know, as long as
he's still in jail.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And well, he's still in jail because he has no bail.
The four million bail is gone.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now it's why was there four million in the first place.
So there's four million dollars bail and then they're all
and Jackson gets hired and then there's zero bail, zero bail.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
There's no bail.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That says something.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, So a sus let's talk about the smock.
When I think smock, I think like pottery and.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think smock. I think what is the smock? I
think I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I feel like a smock like you wear when you're
painting or you're doing pottery. You don't want to get
your clothes dirty, so you put a smock on an
apron like yes, but they smock, I don't know. So. Notably,
an anti suicide smock has been worn by notorious criminals
in the past.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
How does the smock protect oneself?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Okay? An anti suicide smock is a vest that is
specifically designed to minimize the risk of suicide amongst higher
risk individuals. This is according to the suicide Prevention Company
PSP Core per their site, the vests are typically used
for military personnel, inmates and those who are on suicide watch,
and mental health facilities. Maybe it's because if you have
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regular clothes on, you can even rip your clothes up
to make like a noose or something, so like this
type of vest can't be torn or manipulated in any way. Okay.
They are colorless, sleeveless gowns with adjustable openings at their
shoulder and down the front, which are closed with nylon
hooks and loops or similar fasteners. They are made with
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the same material as blankets. It's thickness makes it impossible
to roll or fold the material into a noose.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, So it's to not have thin material that they
can use.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Type.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It is also meant so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They're wearing like a mattress. It's basically not a mattress
what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's also meant to provide warmth without impeding the mobility
of the person wearing it. It makes me feel like
it's like a weighted blanket that like calms you down,
but you can't rip it or tear do anything with it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
In a way. It kind of restrains you a little.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't know, but it's called an anti.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Swe Nonetheless, they were worried about in order to wear
the last they were worried about suicide.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Suicide.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yes, so that's what we get.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And I believe that's why he didn't make it to
his first court appearance, because Alan Jackson did a press
conference and said that he was not medically cleared yet,
which I assume medical.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Line of defense. Oh, he's insane, Yes, put a smock
on him.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I have a feeling that that's going to be the defense. Right.
That's why they pushed back his arraignment to January seventh, because.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I imagine, So I don't imagine the defense is going
to be they attacked him first year honor.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, I'm going to say it's going to be reason
of insanity or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So they're all insane if they're killing their parents in
a layman's term, yes, not an illegal sense.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Later Wednesday, the siblings released their first public statements since
the deaths, asking for privacy as they grieve. Quote, words
cannot even begin to describe the unimaginable pain we are
experiencing every moment of the day. The horrific and devastating
loss of our parents, Robin Michelle Reiner is something that
no one should ever experience. They weren't just our parents,
they were our best friends. I don't know that that
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makes me sad they called him their best friends. I mean,
I think that's lovely that older kids found their parents
to be their best friends and wanted to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Hang out with them. Lived across the street from.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Ye, the daughter lived across the street, so.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But sat all the way around regardless.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
All right, let's just go through a little bit of
a timeline. Since we have more details of this case
now and what happened, and you know, we know he
was arrested, let's just go through some of this timeline.
So on Saturday, December fourteenth, Nick Reiner attends Conan O'Brien's
holiday party with his parents. He's wearing a hoodie while
the rest of the attendees are dressed in tuxedos at
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the party.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Was it a black hoodie?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Was it a band's hoodie?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I knew I should have gone to the party. I
was too tired that I should have gone.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, next time Conan invites you, Oh yeah, I'll.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Be on the lookout, Nick.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Was allegedly approaching a list guests asking what's your name,
what's your last name? Are you famous? This is according
to the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
When I first read this that he that he went
around saying that to people.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay, he went around the party asking people if they
were famous.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And that's why they're at Conan O'Brien's I know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I was like, what party do you think you're at?
This is why you have a hoodie on. Anyway, Allegedly,
Nick interrupted Bill Hayter. Do you remember you know who
Bill Hayter is from Saturday Night?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He was the dayline guy.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, while he was in the middle of a private conversation.
An insider told NBC News that Nick stared at Hater
before storming off. I don't I guess he was just
off the whole night, and I guess he was.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It didn't matter that it was Bill Hayter, it could
have been anyone. He was obviously not responding, right, he's.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
In a hoodie. He's walking around asking people if they're famous.
The hoodie Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to leave the
hoodie out of it.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'd wear one too if I could. I know you
are well aware that you would.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Due to his behavior, Nick was asked to leave the
party early. Sources have said that Rob and Michelle brought
Nick to the party to keep an eye on him
amid concerns of his history with drug addiction. And I
don't know if it's known if they all left together
or else. Nick was asked to leave because he was
disruptive or he was kind of freaking the guests out,
and then I and then his parents were embarrassed and
(09:20):
they left later. I don't know, but we know that
they all left. So then early morning of Sunday, This
is the next day, December fifteenth. According to La District
Attorney Nathan Hawkman, Rob and Michelle were killed in the
early morning hours on Sunday. Investigative sources told The Daily
Mail that the couple was found in bed with their
throats cut, and that they may have been asleep when
the murder occurred. Sources say rigamortis had begun to set in,
(09:44):
suggesting that they had been dead for several hours when
their daughter found them around three pm. A source adds
that Nick may have returned home after the party and
killed them during the night.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, what a horrific scene that their daughter had to see. Yeah,
Griga mortis, Yeah, which is unsettling. Yeah, I'm sure there
was a lot of blood. And then if it was
the throats, which we think it was, that's even more visual.
Right then stabbed I don't mean to be griston, but
then stabbed in the torso and they have like clothes
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on or something. Yeah, so it's just it's just red blood.
This is like gory.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. I also read I think this was the New
York Times that we know the masseuse went to do
their massage appointment and then they didn't answer, they didn't
open the gate. So then the messuse became concerned, which
we talked about earlier.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That auviously would have been like yeah, your messuse, Yeah,
charge him full price.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
He's not here, he said, no show. But the messuse
became concern. Yeah, which makes me believe that they this
is someone that they used often, probably.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That they've maybe they saw maybe the messius saw cars.
I had a reason to think they were home. Maybe
she confirmed he or she confirmed the night before it
comes there's cars there and they're like, okay, something's wrong.
I know the daughter lives across the street.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So they reach out to the daughter and say, you
know that their parents aren't answering. So the daughter comes
over with a roommate to check on her parents. She
goes into the house. She goes into the bedroom, she
only sees her dad and she screams, runs out, tells.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The roommate in the room together.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
No, they both are, but she doesn't see her mom.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay, she saw one and father, but not the mother.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So she screams, she's obviously, you know, frantic and traumatizing
all the things, runs out, asks the roommates call nine
one one. The roommate calls nine one one. When the
police come, then I believe the police confirm with the
daughter that actually both of her parents were in the bed.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I got worse news for you. It's both of them. Yeah,
that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Around four am on Sunday, this is so the son,
Nick checks into the peer Side Santa Monica hotel using
his own credit card. Witnesses have described him as looking
tweaked out. This is per TMZ.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Wait there you go. He's using the credit card. That
might have been how they tracked him.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, because I was asking you, how did the police
find him so quickly? Well, first, well, this is what
we were talking about earlier. In order for them to
arrest him, they had to have probable cause.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So I don't know what they.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Discovered when they discovered the bodies that led them so
quickly to him. I don't know if maybe there's doorbell footage,
ring footage.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
If there's, it would have to be in the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But yeah, well a lot of people have I mean,
he has to enter the house because I believe he
didn't live in the house. I think I read that
he lived like in a guest house. It's a huge house.
It's thirteen thousand square cubs.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And goes, and it shows on the footage.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That I don't know. I don't know how big the
house is. It's just a big house in Brentwood.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
If it can if it showed that it came, he
came and left, I don't know. That's not probable cause.
That's enough to say he's a person interest, let's reach
out to him and see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I'm just wondering what the evidence was that they
found when they first arrived that allowed them to immediately
look for him, find him, and arrest him. So I'm
sure we'll find out those there are more details that
will come.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Out of that was written in blood on the wall.
So this is what I'm gonna guess. Then how how
they maybe this is the probable cause, is they're gonna
they're gonna obviously kind of sweep the area. Maybe they're
like maybe the daughter saying, look into our son and
my brother, right, there's an altercation. So then they look
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up his credit card charges or whatever. They find him
at a hotel. They go to the hotel to try
to investigate, and then staff reports blood or this and that,
and then they go And that's quite a bit of
probable cause.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I still have a question whether he murdered his parents
before he checked into the hotel or after he checked
into the hotel, because they claim when he checked into
the hotel that he didn't have any blood on him anywhere.
So I don't know if he checked into the hotel,
leaves the hotel, goes back, or when he checked into
the hotel, he cleaned himself up, or he had a
jacket on, so maybe he was covered, yeah, covered the blood.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But do we know that they arrested him or do
they detain him for questioning and then maybe later while
he's detained they're investigating, and people are reporting blood and
this and that, and then they say, okay, now we're
gonna press charges because you can detain without pressing charges.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
They had three cop cars that pulled up when they
found him, and he put his arms up in the air.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And the due time, due time will find out.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Also when Romi, this is the daughter, after she went
over and she found the bodies, I do know she
contacted her dad's longtime friend, Billy Crystal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I think the first person I read yea, she had
reached out to right.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And first responders pronounced both victims dead at the scene.
Later that day, Romy tell's authorities that her brother also
lived on the property, but Nick is not found in
the guest house. From there, the LAPD issues an alert
for Nick Reiner. So so there must have been we
don't know the details, but there must have been other
things that point towards him. At around nine to fifteen
pm on Sunday, Nick Reiner is arrested approximately fifteen miles
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from the Hiner's Brentwood home at a Los Angeles gas
station and exposition park. My question is, how did he
get from the house to fifteen miles away. Maybe there's
a train.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well, probably a car was he was at a gas station.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I thought he wasn't driving though, I don't know. He
didn't have a car uber. I don't know. I feel
like an uber driver would have come forward. He walked
fifteen miles, I don't know. Video obtained by The New
York Post shows a multiple shows multiple unmarked police cars
surrounding him. Nick appeared calm raising his arms in surrender
immediately before being taken into custody by homicide detectives and
(15:19):
US marshals. They show video footage of him. He went
into an Arco a gas station. Yeah, he's I don't know,
he's his like walking around like a normal person with
a backpack and a jacket. He bought a blue gatorade.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, people say that about murders all the time. What
are they supposed to be doing, I don't know, sweaty
and stressing it would be.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I don't know. I don't know how you murdered your
parents in the middle of the night and then you
leave their house and then you just walk around LA.
You go into a gas station, you buy a gateorade.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's a blue Gatorade, by the way.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, GATORAE light. That's what our kids like.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I know. Nick is being held without bail at Twin
Towers Correctional Facility and has been placed on suicide watch.
Authority state there is no indication that was under the
influence of drugs at the time of the murders. Well
that's interesting because I would have guessed that he would
have been extremely Authorities have not yet disclosed what evidence
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they are relying on, nor whether a weapon or forensic
evidence has been recovered, you know, and I understand they're
not going to release all that to the public, but
it leaves so many questions as to timeline, when it
was done, how he got to the gas station, what
probable cause they had to arrest him. There's a lot
of questions, still a lot of questions. So who is
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Nick Reiner's defense team? Prominent criminal defense lawyer Alan Jackson,
And if you have listened to any of our previous podcasts,
you'll know that I'm a big fan of Alan Jackson.
He's represented many high profile cebrities. I don't know, just
in the Karen retrial, and when he did his opening
statement in his closing I was like, he's just he's
(16:57):
going no, no, No, that's the other attorney. I like,
can't keep up and there wasn't a trial.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well no, but there, you're right, there's litigation.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Jackson confirmed outside the downtown Los Angeles courthouse Tuesday that
he is serving as Reiner's attorney, and was also seen
that day at the family's Brentwood residence. Okay, I have
so many questions about how Alan Jackson is his attorney.
First of all, Alan Jackson is such a high profile
attorney that he has to cost a lot of money
a ton, Like, you know, he's expensive. He's probably one
thousand dollars an hour at least. Who reached out to him,
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like whose idea was?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
No one? I think no one reached out to him.
I imagine he reached well, I don't know, because they can't.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
They can't do that Chase. That's unethical. So I don't know.
I'm saying who within Nick's inner circle, I don't know.
I know what my question is is who recommended Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Probably took your advice, listened, He listens, that's it, and
he thought Emily is a huge chance for Alan Jackson.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So I'm gonna I'm going to hire Alan Jackson, and
I wonder where the money's coming from to pay Alan
Jackson's fees, because there's no way that he's doing this
pro bono. That man does not need to do anything
pro bonout.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, people don't do pro bona because they need to
do promoning.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I'm saying, I'm saying such a no. But I'm
saying some people would take a high profile case like this,
as you said, profile again, high profile case like this
for free because they would get so much publicity and
their business would probably most likely that boom. But I'm
saying he doesn't need that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'm gonna say if he's doing it without pay, One,
the pay might be deferred, so if he's found not guilty,
he'll have an estate and then they'll bill him and
he'll pay that way. Or two. Alan Jackson probably has
such such a well fine tuned law firm that's lucrative
(18:58):
and successful that he takes these high profile cases out
of passion and to do what he loves to do.
And as a result, his name is out there and
people call his law firm, and then he gets more
cases that way for his other attorneys.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, but then you're saying that he's doing it, then
he's not doing it for a fee.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I said, two options.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I need more information on that.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So well you d m him.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I've tried.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
He doesn't know who you are. Actually request a cameo
from Alan Jackson. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
If he was on cameo, I order, I don't care.
I would pay for it and I would order it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Good looking or something.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, he's good looking, and he's smart, and he's just
he's powerful, and he's he's a he's a good attorney.
I don't know. I don't like. I don't fangirl over
movie stars. No, not really, Okay, I like rip a
little rip here and there, little Charlie Hunham. Over the years,
Jackson has represented a number of widely known clients. Most recently,
(20:01):
he secured an acquittal for Karen Reid. He also defended
actor Kevin Ski.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, that's another question. How did he How did Karen
Reid pay his bill?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
She mortgaged her house and her foot and she's so
the cash out her four to oh one k and
her retirement and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Man, no shame in Alan Jackson's took her for what
she's worthing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, she also had a fund that people donated to
as well.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So maybe he's anticipating some funds coming his way, some
opportunities coming his way. He might get something out of
the will if he's not found guilty of homicide, things
like that, and so it's a risk he takes to
have a high profile case.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Jackson was also part of the defense team for film
producer Harvey Weinstein during his Los Angeles trial, which resulted
in Weinstein's conviction on multiple felony counts, including rape, and
a sixteen year prison.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
S Oh, this definitely sounds a guy you.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Would find well, you know, I mean, you can't all.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I wonder how Harvey paid his bills.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
In addition, Jackson is currently representing Fraser Michael Boehme, who
is accused of killing the four Pepper Dye University sorority
sisters in a twenty twenty three crash on Pacific Coast
Highway in Malibu. So, you know what, some people sent
me dms because I posted in my Instagram stories you
know that Alan Jackson was representing Nick Reiner, and then
(21:14):
some people DMed and they were like, Oh, that's disgusting.
Why would he do that? You know, like he shouldn't
do that. At the end of the day, if you're
a defense attorney, that's what you do. And everyone deserves
a defense. I don't care who you want.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
To keep prosecution in check, you do.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It's a check and balances. Everyone deserves a good defense.
And that's how I mean, that's how the system operates.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, it doesn't mean he's he's going to get
him to be found not guilty. It could be you
you make sure it's a proper sentencing, or the charges
aren't outrageous, or you know, and you keep prosecution in check,
because then it'll be the next one, the next one,
next one, the next thing. You know, prosecutors could single
handedly start to just steamroll everything. And so it's checks
(21:57):
and balances. So the prosecution team, that's case why you
need to judge one had to throw them in.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Jail, right exactly what you're saying, really that thought is
there should be no due process because this guy obviously
killed his parents, but we have to go through the
legal system. Everyone deserves a fair trial and everyone deserves
to be defended. So the prosecution team includes veteran attorneys
have been I don't have to say the last name,
Ballion and Jonathan Chung, both of whom have handled high
(22:24):
profile homicide cases under intense public scrutiny. Bil On previously
played a leading role in opposing resentencing efforts for Lyle
and Eric Menendez, who's nineteen eighty nine murders of their
parents resurfaced in the public eye after the recent Monsters
series that was on Netflix. So this prosecutor was very
anti recencing. But I mean, we know they got resentenced.
(22:47):
They're just still in prison and maybe they'll get paroled.
That's a whole other episode was the recentencing.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
What was the end result?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Remind me, well, they're eligible for parole now based on
their recent saying. Chong meanwhile obtain a f eleni conviction
last year in a widely watched case involving a man
who broke into the Los Angeles home of Mayor Karen Bass.
So there we are. That's the most recent updates on
the Rob and Michelle Reiner case and their son, Nick Reiner.
(23:16):
We will continue to follow this case because I find
it so interesting and I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
About do you have any predictions.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think he's going to plead not guilty by reason
of insanity, and that's my prediction. Right now, Okay, because
he does have a history not only of drug use
and drug abuse, but also of mental illness. And then
I think the fact that he was at that party
with so many people and so many people are talking
(23:45):
about his behavior, I think they're going to have expert
witnesses come in that talk about like he was going
through psychosis or something and he wasn't, he wasn't in
his right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
State, talk about what the sensing is.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, the special circumstance allows you to seek the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, and so death penalty is on the table. Yes,
they haven't said they're going to pursue that yet. Right,
that's available. It's an option. That's an option, and then
the other option is a lifetime I think without parol.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys for listening
to this episode of Legally Brunette. You can find us
on our own feeds, so make sure that you do
that and listen to us there. Please. Also, you can
always leave a review, and again, please continue to send
me dms and suggest cases. I always love to hear
your feedback, and thank you so much for listening. We
appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Thank you,
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