Our Makeup Artist Tells ALL! | Capítulo 277

This week, Locatora's makeup artist & Diosa's longtime friend, Roberto Rios, joins the show as a guest host! They go way back: to his personal relationship with Diosa, his journey with Locatora over the years, and what it's really like behind the scenes of the photo shoots and events. They also talk beauty trends, the "clean girl" look, and when to splurge on a beauty product. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
When it comes to your art and your career as
a makeup artist, Like when did it start for you
this inspiration to go into hair and makeup.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I always loved drawing and art and stuff like that,
and I am also growing up always dress Emily up,
like I'd like to dress her up and.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Like outfits and your sisters.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Younger than me, and I would do her hair and
I would just like pick out her clothes things like that.
And then but one day I was like, I think
that my art skills could transfer into like makeup skills,
and I think I wanted to do like magazine editorial,
like you know, we grew up watching Top Model and

(00:39):
all those things. So I was like, I know, I
know what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I could do that.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
J Menwell, I'm j Manwell all the j's, all the
j's combined.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I took a.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Course at eLAC. It was like a certificated course.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
And then that's all I needed.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
And then I started like bullying friends and family to
let me do their makeup.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Radiola, I'm the Osa and I'm Ala.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
You're listening to Lokata Radio.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
A radiophonic novella, which is just an extra way of
saying a podcast, and today we have a third Loka.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
We are starting something new.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
We are bringing some of our favorite past guests, our friends,
to join us and host an episode of look At Radio.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
So today we have.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
The illustrious, my longtime friend and our makeup artist, Roberto Rios.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's me, Hi, Hi, thank you for having.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Me, Thank you for joining. We love your look today,
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It has been a long.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Time coming, and it has been We've known each other
practically our whole lives and then you have been doing
our makeup.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Or quite some time since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, sounds very eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, some of our most iconic look, some of our
most beautiful days are thanks to Robert.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, we're going to talk about all of it, but
I want to go back to like the fact that
it's a long time coming. When you got the invitation
Robert to come and be our third look at Dora,
what went through your head? Were you like, finally.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Say which time? And I'm just like no, I was
really excited.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like when you guys ask like would you be interested,
I was like, well, of course I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
I have to admit I am so scared to tell
our best friend Jackie that I.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Was giving you a guest before she is.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I have not told her, Okay, I will tell her
before it drops. But she has been asking to guest
star on look At for years now, and so she
will get an episode eventually. We actually tried last season
and scheduling didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
But there you go.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Now they will come. But here you are today, little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Then we're so happy.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
He was true. And when we were talking about we
were in our production meeting, who's going to be our
third loc Who's going to be a guest host? Did
I not say Robert?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Immediately?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Immediately? Imiately, I said Robert. Because every time we're in
your chair, every time we sit down with you and
you beat our faces, we have the best conversations.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Good, I'm glad you know what Those times are some
of my favorite times, like ever really And it's so
fun to see like the the behind the scenes or
be a part of it and then see like the
spectacle and show that it is and to know that
like I helped create it, even if it's in just
a small way. You guys give me a lot of

(03:43):
leeway with the looks, Like sometimes I get little to
know direction or instruction, and they're like you sometimes I
don't know what you're wearing till the day of, So
I do plan them out. I do like put them
on myself before I put them on you. Yes, and
then I'm always like, what's look better on them?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
What's going to look better on that?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
If I remember correctly, You've told me that you do
like one side me.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh, I'm lazy because I don't want to do it all. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I feel like this eye is the osa and
this eye is malat and I like think about like
your eye shapes and all that and the colors.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, and artists, Yeah no.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
A true ARTI is a true professional. And I just
have such vivid memories of sitting in your bedroom in
your director's chair, Oh yes, up against the window, the
natural yes, dogs around, oh yes, sleeping, barking, gallivanting, you're
beating our faces, and on your TV. Maybe it's a
Jalo music video, maybe it's Kylie Mino, yeah yeah, but

(04:39):
it's always a fucking vibe.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yes, Okay, I love that you guys like that too,
because I don't know you guys could like put your
own music or do whatever. I just like there to
be something, and then I need something to keep my rhythm,
my timing, and I'll be like, oh, every song is
about three minutes. And then I'll be like, Okay, this
is taken forever or whatever the case is. Yes, And
then hair always takes the longest. It always always does,

(05:04):
no matter what it is, even if it's simple, forever.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Because you have so much hair, so much.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
I'm in and I'm like done in life.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Sure, yeah, and it's Robert. Robert does our hair and
our makeup.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Not today, Yeah, no, not today, not today.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I did my hair in my and he looks amazing,
looks fab But for our most like our Spotify campaign,
our Times Square billboard, you know, like the Current show
art for our iHeart show, like Robert did her hair,
Robert did our makeup, and very creative each time with
each look, and like, really, you really took your time
on each of us. And sometimes you're like, okay, give

(05:43):
me a time check because we have so much time.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
How much is left? Yeah, And I'm like, well, there's
I haven't put the lashes on yet or whatever. Right.
I think my favorite.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
One was the La Times one that's such a good spread,
good photos, the makeup.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I just love it so much.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, that was you know, pandemic days. It was twenty twenty.
So you did our makeup in the backyard, in my backyard.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Outside it was only US three US three.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
You were messed up.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
We were messed up until we were getting our faces done. Yeah,
we like were doing. We were doing, taking as much
precautions as we could, like during considering the circumstances, right
and so, and then the shoot was in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Fabulous.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, in the La Times, we've.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Done a couple of fun shoots in your backyard, including
our lemonade stand shoot. What season was it?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
That was season six?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Season six, and Robert makes a cameo though.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yes, you did her hair and makeup, and you also
made a camera and.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I was in the video.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, we had you working like criple oversh. We're like
do our hair, door makeup and star in the video.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think you guys did tell me in advance I
would be in it.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah we did, we did it.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
You were not that bad.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Please no, but you were working hard.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
You were working hard.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And I think like one of the comps was like
give us like a Priscilla Pressley.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's kind of like, okay, like when people ask for
that look, I'm like, this is extra work. It's more work,
like yeah, but it looks good. It speaks for itself.
Look at the photos, look at the hair. It was
very like sleek, sleek sixties, like not as big, not
as like frazzle, but like also very like within your

(07:20):
like pop like colorful.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yes exactly, no vibe yes.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, And I love the setup.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Who made that, Red Jessica Redheart Media.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Really she designed the set, she she took photos.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, it was gorgeous, photo video, audio, lighting, set design,
she did everything, very lean crew. It was really always
it's truly impressive.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
The talent, the talent, your talent, it's truly very talented.
And your talent. I'm very curious about your origins when
it comes to your art and your career as a
makeup artist, Like when did it's start for you? This
this this inspiration to go into hair and makeup.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I always loved drawing and art and stuff like that.
And I am also growing up, I would I was
always dress Emily up like I'd like to dress her
up and like outfits. And your sister she's fs younger
than me, and I would do her hair and I
would just like pick out her clothes things like that.
And then one day I don't think I wasn't putting

(08:29):
her a makeup. I not, not for not till like
twenty fourteen or later later. But one day I was like,
I think that my art skills could transfer into like
makeup skills, and I think I wanted to do like
like magazine editorial, like you know, we grew up watching

(08:49):
Top Model, yeah and all those things.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So I was like, I know, I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I could do that J Manwell I'm j Manwell all
the j's, all the the j's combined.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah. I took a course at eLAC.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It was like a certificated course, and then that's all
I needed. Like I I think I took like an
entire paycheck, which back then I was a teacher's assistant.
I think it was like five hundred dollars, and I
spent it all at Mac, Like I just I spent
it all at Mac.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I remember the salesperson was so happy.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then they gave me like all these extra things
and I was like, well, I did just spend five
hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
But I had a list that I had compiled.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
From like YouTube videos of like this, they're saying to
buy this, They're saying to buy this. And this was
like the still the olden days. It was like pre
the twenty sixteen makeup, so it wasn't like as out
there yet.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was still like.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Real people making real tutorials of like this is what
works versus like influencers or whatever. Yeah, and then I
started like bullying friends and family to let me do
their makeup. I think one day I did, I did
yours in your room.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
It was that was very early day, very early day.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I tried to do this like Gaga Lott I remember,
I remember it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, what was the event.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
It was just practicing, Like he just came over to
my house like Friday night.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
With all those all.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
The mat bags, did my makeup and then spend the night.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I think so yeah, fun.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, but yeah, it's been like serious, serious, since you
guys asked me to do the film, I think, and.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Since Lookitha's anonymous, Yes we have a short film. Robert
did all of the hair and makeup for the entire.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Also one of my faves.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, yes, yes, and that one was so fun because
it got to be like funky and like futuristic, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like built another world.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was like, well, what would these girls, what would
these women look like in this world where they're like
have to be hyper feminine but also like want to
be individuals. And I think that's why it was like
the hyper femme was like blush everywhere, blush everywhere in
the matching lips, and then the individuality was like in
the stones and like different patterns and different stones and

(11:05):
like also the colors that were chosen were like for you, I.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Guess, yeah, absolutely, it was like a drunk blush, yes, yes,
and then you did sort of a because it's a
science fiction movie, and so the face gems like I
remember the us as almost looks like a Wi Fi signal.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, like a like a star spiral thing out. Yeah,
and I think I did, like everything blown out, like eyeshadow,
just blown out, like you just put it on, you know,
and put on your blush like that.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, that's that's on YouTube. You can watch Lokitha's anonymous makeup.
Look at the makeup. That's all Robert and so you
you do have known each other since middle school. Yes, yeah,
take us back.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I don't want to go back, but yes, we have
known each other for that long.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I feel like those times, like what I mostly remember
is like hanging out at your house? Would we me
and Jackie were always at your house, like twenty four
to seven. It feels like like you said, but just
spend the night.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Like I don't even know what we didn't do.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
We didn't do anything. It's like you were just hanging out.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's pre like everything that.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
We have today, right, but it's like, yeah, we were
just talk and laugh and watch things.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
A lot of like How to Lose Your Mantendes.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
We watched a little queer films. I feel high school.
This is in high school.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Once we got to high school, we started like well
I was, I think you were too, were like looking
up movies and then we would buy that search for them.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
And we would find them at like the stores that
used to exist what do they call blogbusters Blockbuster They
would buy them.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Remember when that mall the.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Off brand blockbusters kind of thing where you could rent videos.
I think like it was the end of the videos time,
I think where we did vice and we would buy
them and it was like bad like BC gay movie vs.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
That, Like yeah you know that, but.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
They were like cannon you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely yeah. But we met in the sixth grade. We
went to a Catholic school, Catholic middle school, and then
maintained our friendship, like through high school. Robert I was
Robert's prom date.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yes, I love me and Jackie.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Two girls prom. We had two dates.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Someone texted someone who was that It was to Jackie
that was like you were part of that trio, and
that was like that was.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Us, that was us. We were the trio.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Do you have a prom photo?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, we do, I'll send it to you.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, and it's you with both of your prom dates.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yea, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Photo from the photographer. And then like I have that
one that we framed.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Did this raise eyebrows at the prom?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I think it was stunty on my part? I did?
I had I made prompt core I was top five.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can I ask where did you at high school?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was called St. Paul High School?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Oh, yes, Catholic high school, co ed high school, one
of the only like coed Catholic were you.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Can I ask were you openly gay in high school.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Towards the end, yes, like I would say maybe like
at prom, yes, yeah, definitely, we're like I think I
got to junior year and there was still people that
would be like like this guy next to me and
I forget which course was like hey, you like guys
and I was like that day, I was like yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Then and then he didn't say anything like like that
was the end of it.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So I think from then on I was just like, oh, yeah,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
But I remember us because that was after the tenth grade. Yes, yes,
when we went Okay, that school, that school used to
do something called March for Hunger and it's like a charity.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Was even thinking of that, but okay, I was thinking
about we who pride we went to?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
We went to.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
The first pride that we went to was together.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Your dad or your mom know, your dad didn't want
us to.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Go or I don't remember that I really there was
my mom dropped us off because.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Your mom was defending us.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
She was like, it's a festival, They're just gonna go
and be it's a parade. And she kept telling you
they're going to a parade.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's a parade.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And then we were like you were like the American
apparel AM yes, tube tube top, it's mostly why with
rainbow stripes.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't remember what I was.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Sorry.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
I was wearing little like tiny shorts and a little
tube top.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yes, yes, fun, yes, And we went and we were
both like, we're not gay.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
No no, no, that's not how I read.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
So we went to who Pride. I took my then
like you know, high school girl friends.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
That was the drama, really, because didn't you I remember
your dad did was upset, don't go.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Anywhere, locomotive, We'll be right back, because.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Because she was going because they like maybe.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
But the reason that I we went to Pride was
because I, you know context sophomore year of high school. Okay,
I don't know what I know now, but I remember thinking, well,
I was out to myself and I had a girlfriend,
and I remember thinking like, I think Robert is also queer.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
But Robert hasn't said anything. Yes, and so.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Robert hasn't told me yes, Cla, Robert hasn't told me anything.
I want him to know that, like he can tell
me anything, and that I'm supportive and like it's fine,
you know, And so I like planned a weeho Pride
and my mom dropped us off because again.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
We didn't have a license.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yes, and we're like walking through the little fest and
I remember like holding Roberts hand and saying like you
can tell me, like it's okay. In retrospect, like I
should have just waited for Robert to tell me when
he was ready, right, But at the time that felt
like what a friend should do, Like a friend should
let you know, like it's okay to tell me, you know,

(17:19):
And that was that was.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
That very sweet.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It was you like took him to the Macy's Day
Parade of yes queer event.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I love that you went all that. We went big,
We went big.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I remember we did talk about it that date.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was going to tell the story about March for
Hunger and then you were with We we found each other,
right because we went to different schools, but all these
schools did the march together. It's like this charity thing
where you want twenty six.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Months, you do a marathon, but you're walking.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
It starts in East La and ends in Santa.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah okay, and there's like a trail marked and then
they have like volunteers that like can pick you up
and drop you off a little bit further ahead or whatever.
But there was this party where it was just you,
me and your then partner, I think, and I wasn't
with anyone from my school, and we were like under
a freeway overpass and you're like you should scream out

(18:12):
loud that you came out or that you're getting You
told me to say something, and I was like, I'm
not going to do that, and I did it. I
don't remember that that was after I did because Musphroger
is at the end of the whatever, it doesn't matter.
But yeah, I think after we talked that day, it
was just we were new.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
We just knew.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, so it was we ho pride, But there was
not a coming out.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
That was like that was like the coming out like
for like him, yeah, like him telling me or affirming.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like did you did you have like a formal coming
out or was it just.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like I, like she said, like, it's not like I
could hide it or you know that I wasn't very obvious.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
My overplucked eyebrows.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
But beautiful eyebrows and.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I perfectly blowed up hair.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, but I told my parents not till I was
nineteen where I was like, hey, I just want to
make sure you guys like no, like I don't know
if I did have to tell you, but I'm telling
you now, and my mom like cried a little, I think,
and like hugged me, and then my dad was like, yeah,
I knew.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And it was just that because you've always been yourself, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, I've tried to be other people, so it didn't
work out.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like I'm just I can't imagine you like putting on
a facade or trying to be someone you're not.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, it's always been this, but it would be like
if there would be like, hey, you like boys, right,
and I would be like no. And that was like
literally like I don't know seventh, eighth, and ninth grade.
You know, it's like when my child child. Yeah, but
I was lingering in the underwear aisle looking at the
the pictures.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
And then okay, so when was like your first real
like out and about open gay love, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Okay, So for a lot of gay people, because like
if you didn't come out early, you're like in high.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
School, you don't have like all those like early.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Things, so like kind of when you do start and
then and you're older, you throw yourself into things. I
would say that, like at the beginning, I slept.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Around a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
What does dating look like for you? Now?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I'm seeing someone right now. His name is Jared. I
really like him.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
We love Jared.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, he's lovely.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's been it's been maybe to I don't even know.
I'm sorry, Jared, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's been like two years. It's going really well.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
He's met my friends, he's met my family, and it
took me a long time to start seeing someone.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Full disclosure, Jason passed away, so.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
After that it was quite a few years until this
is my first relationship after that, and Jared is aware
of that too.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I'm really happy where I am right now and like
what I've found and I want to continue on that path.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I think it's really difficult to date in general, like
for anyone. But I don't know if you guys know
how men are. But it's even worse when there's two
of them in the relationship. So it's like all the
same stuff, but also like you understand it, so it's

(21:42):
really weird.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Where like I.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Don't know, sometimes from your point of view, you might
be like why did you do that? Where I'm like
I think, I think I know why.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Does that almost make it worse? Or like you know
exactly why?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
They're also why people like a lot of like gay
relationships are famously like you get together and you're like
moved in in two weeks and then like break up
three months from then or whatever. I think queer people
have like a lot of shorthand, and I think it
is easy to jump steps just because you're like, oh,
you both you want this, you want this, Yes, I

(22:15):
want that too, and it like you just sort of
leap ahead.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I've been trying to not do that.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Sounds really healthy, like you're self aware and like you
you know you want and how you're going to move.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
And I'm just sort of treading with caution because I mean,
miscommunications are so easy, like when it's something like as
simple as like what you want to get to eat
or whatever, So why wouldn't it apply to like when
you're talking about relationships stuff or what you want or

(22:49):
or sometimes you don't know what you want.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, even even the tone that you use to answer
a very simple question, oh yeah, can like yeah change
an entire mood an entire day, an entire evening.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Not what you said, it's how you said it.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's how you said it.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm guilty of that.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, it's tough. I am too. I think sometimes I'm
very matter of fact. I don't know if you notice,
and it just.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Comes out or comes up monotone and yes, sounds like
I'm being sarcastic or something, but.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I try to present myself as genuine.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I've always found you to be extremely genuine. Like I
know that, like if I'm sitting in your chair, Robert
is either going to say nothing or everything, which I
love and appreciate.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yes, yes, yes, you know what. That does depend on
my mood.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
But I'm like, I don't like when I get in an
uber or something, I don't don't talk to me, like
don't look at me. But also things like when I
get my nose done, please don't talk to me. If
you're cutting my hair, please don't talk. I really love
the guy that cuts my hair.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
He doesn't talk to me. It's great.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
You do you say this at the onset?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, okay, I catch the vibe.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
We're like, you know, when they try to make small
talk's because some people want to sit in the chair
and like spill their guts or talk about their day,
and and that's like an outlet for them.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's not the case for me.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, So I think they realize eventually because it's.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Your, it's it's your, you're in transit, you're doing self care,
you're thinking, you're not socializing. I need to learn how
to present myself this way because every time I get waxed,
it's like where have you been? Where are you going?
What are you doing? That's to distract them, to distract
me and them from all of us from what's going on.

(24:43):
They're like getting butterfly, put your knees, your jass, blah
blah blah. But sometimes I just want the whole thing
to happen in silence. But that might be worse.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
It might be maybe it m might be worse.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah if they played like.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Just a little and yeah, which okay brings me too.
Every time we're in your chair, you always not only
have a playlist, but if we're at your house, you
put up music videos on your TV, which I've always
I love that touch. It's a great time.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Do you guys know that that gay people are famous
for this?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, okay, good for music videos.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Like like music video parties, like playing when we just
sit around watching.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Oh sure, yes, because music videos are artistry and incredible
and like I think about you and I think about
slo music videos. I think about Britney again, Kylie.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I mean all the icons.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I think queer people.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Really appreciate the like all the work that went into it,
and also the visual like does provide a lot of.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Like meaning and context.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Sometimes I always think of I always think of the
VM A Beyonce Drunk in Love. She's like she's on
stage like soaking wet, and I'm like, that's what the
song is about, and that's why she like visually had
to present herself as like like her was her hair
was wet, her hair, And I think that another artist

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wouldn't have cared about that or not put as much thought.
But it always stuck with me that like to her
that that's what is the song is about, and that's
what the visual is.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I love it. It's a lost to art. The girls
just are not doing music videos like so many other
things that have been lost.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
They don't make any money.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
No, they don't make money.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, and like people like I mean it depends on
the genre. But I feel like artists like will release
a single, like the build up of an album is
not the same.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Right before it was like in.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
The olden days, it was like you release your single
on the radio and that gets played out and then
it's like album release and then if you're like a
super fan, you're gonna buy the album and you're like
you're gonna learn like the album front to cover, right,
But now it's like a single.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Maybe you get an album.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Hopefully you get an album, but like you don't always
get an album, and so the resource says to make
a music video. I just feel like it's not allocated
in that way. It's not given that it's due. It's
like the artistry for the artistry that it is.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
We're not going to get another era of Gaga, Bad
Romance or Judas or Alejandro Oh Good. I mean the
production value, yeah, exactly, the set, the actors, the costumes,
it's just not happening anymore.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, And like I said, I think it provides context
to like the grandness of those songs. Like each song
you just stated, some people might think, like, oh Gaga,
it's just like pop or.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
That doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
But I think that those are like really big songs
of like a lot of meaning, and I think that
her visual is like just as grand. She's saying, like
this is how big the song is. It's like this world.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, like the if you maybe aren't catching the
symbolism or the metaphor and the song, you're visually going
to see it on the music video.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Exactly exactly speaking because you brought up j Lo I do.
I play that video a lot the waiting for Tonight one.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Oh yes you do, ye yes. It's so good. It's great.
The makeup is good.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
The makeup was by Kevin Nakuan, who is like world famous,
like kind of everything we do nowadays is like from him,
as we like. He made up the like highlighting, contouring
and cut priases like like everything. And then that video
I love the like when she has like all the
glitter on her face and all the rhinestones like each

(28:31):
one was individually placed on. Oh wow, I'm sure some
people have seen the behind the scenes of that.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's really good.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So when you're watching, so we're talking about all these
music videos of course, and like the big picture of
them and the grandness and how it relates to the music,
but you're breaking down, like the makeup, looks, the glan Oh.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, well I look at everything, and that's like what
I said about queer people appreciating appreciating everything. It's like
the outfit and the hair and the makeup. Like I
always go back to the to Brittany Hit Me Baby
One More time. It's like, yeah, how many looks is
she in in that? Like each cheek is different, and
like the make the makeup is so good. It's like
that frosty pink lip and like just white on her eyelid,

(29:15):
and and that like all her hair is pulled back
and they put that wig just on the back of.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
It hem to make to make it look like it's
a bumpet almost. It's not.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's a wig.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
It's not a bumpet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah. And you you might look at that look and
this is I think, what's so beautiful about like putting
together a production like this. You might look at Brittany
Hit Me Baby One More time and think like, oh,
it's so simple.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, but a simple look.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
But it's anything but simple exactly. It's like such high
production value and it's really very high glam. Yeah, but
it's not like, you know, twenty millimeters lashes exactly. It's
it's the one hair piece. It's the straight hair. It's
like you're saying, like the white on.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
The Yeah, the like architecture, the design of it.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
The design of it, like it takes a lot to
look that sleek and simple.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, Dolly Parton says, takes a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So it's cheap.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, Yes, we just talked about on the last episode.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, Robert, were you listening, Yes, I love thank you,
thank you listening to our maxing episode. Yes, speaking of
maxing now that you're here, Yes, what's your take on
like the beauty maxing, the style maxing? Like where is
it going? What are we doing with it? Are we
doing it well? Are we doing it wrong? Like how
should we be working this?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think I think you guys touched on that, like
it's a new label. That's like we're like that, but
nothing about it is new. It's like, well, what have
we been doing this whole time? And then also like
I always.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Take it back to like.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Don't go anywhere, lokomotives, We'll be right back, Like, well.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
If you get regularly, is that looks maxing? Or like
if you brush your teeth, is that looks max hygiene?
Is it? I don't think so, because.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
We might we might maybe underestimate how little people are doing.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I think sometimes we underestimate like actually, like we may
be doing our we're maybe doing a lot, and maybe
like most people are not even doing you know what,
that's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know something you know, like when well and what
I do in work. It's like some people like they're like,
no I don't use sound screen, or no I don't
wear face.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Cream or like that. I'm like, well, then I'm doing
a lot more than you, I guess. But I think
the maxing thing.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Is specifically about trying to attain something you don't have,
versus like taking.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Care of yourself.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, like to answer my own question earlier, I was
being facetious about brushing your teeth.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
But but there are people that don't brush their teeth.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I see, I see it.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
I've seen it online.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like, yeah, I think it's just about marketing, and but
I think maxing is about something you don't have, Like
like those guys wouldn't need to hammer their.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Faces if they had a chisel.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Jael already, like they would just be chiseled, right, So
at the end, it's about maxing is about going to
an extreme to get it versus like getting your haircut.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Again, I was joking.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I remember once we were I don't remember where we
were coming from or where we were going, but we
were in a car with you, Robert, and we were
talking about plastic surgery, cosmetic surgery, and you were like,
plastic surgery is about taking an eight to a tent.
It's not about like taking like a two to a ten.
That's not what it's about exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's like a like a terrible way to put it,
like rating people one to ten. But but what I
meant is that, like you can make small changes, like
you can change your hair, and you can I don't
know where high heels are put the for the men
they put the things in the shoe.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Right, yes, yes, an insert whatever.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
But will you ever be taller?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And like can you get surgery to do that? I
think there's one that exists, But like why that? To me,
that doesn't make any sense. It's like you're trying to
get from point A to point Z. But like maybe
if you I don't know, we're.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
More accepting of yourself. You could get from point A
to point B.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah. Yeah, So I feel like this to me is
tying into the idea of maxing or like you don't
have it. Maybe you're not going under the knife, but
here's like little ways that you might get closer to
this thing, this ideal, this next level.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't like the whole concept of it, because I mean,
it's just like you I think you talked about, like
the capitalism of it all. It's just like something that's
being repackaged. And at the end of the day, like
anything that is a trend or something new, it's like
usually they're trying to sell you something it's and that's
why trends change, Like that's why skinny pants went out

(34:16):
so that they could make you buy baggy ones, and
then baggy ones will go out and they'll make you
buy skinny ones, right.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I always think about I don't know if I have
all the dates right, but I think that I read
in the nineteen twenties they started marketing razors to women
because they weren't selling enough razors because only men used
razors to shave their faces.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Okay, so they.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Started a marketing campaign to tell women that they should
shave their arms and legs and to look whatever, more beautiful,
more youthful, whatever the case was.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And since then that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yes, yes, And so I think the maxing thing is
just to get you to buy more stuff to like,
someone is like, we need to sell more hammers. So
we need to tell guys to go build a house.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Are building?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
We're not building houses.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
We need another reason for hammers. We need to recreate the.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Ham big hammer. Doing this, it's.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
The big hammer industrial complex.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
And who doesn't love a big hammer?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, so this this leads me to my next question, Robert,
what are some because you work you work in beauty
not only as a makeup artist, but you also work retail.
So what are some tips from you for the audience
about like what they should not be spending their money

(35:42):
on that is just like being pushed on them visa
v sales and maxing and trends versus. What are some
real sustainable essentials that people should be investing in for beauty.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I think I'll start off by saying that if you're
gonna do nothing at all, you should have a face
wash and you should wear sunscreen, and that's kind of
like all you really need for makeup. It's like so
dependent on each individual person.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I like to tell people that.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
They should spend money on what's important to them. So
like someone that like never wears eye shuttle, you shouldn't
be buying expensive eye shuttle or big palettes, like there's no,
you're not gonna use it. Don't do that. But like
if you always wear like a signature red lip, then
that's when I would be like, maybe you should get

(36:36):
the Door nine nine nine most famous red lip or
the mac Ruby wou or you know, like that's where
you should spend your money, and that's where you'll you
won't regret that you spent it and you'll actually use it.
And I think in terms of like the retail space,
and like when you help people.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Just know know.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
More about your it's like what do you want to
achieve and what do you feel about it throughout the day.
Like a lot of people don't know if they're oily
or dry or normal, and they.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Don't know what they want to achieve. They just know
they want to look better.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And that really makes it difficult because I'm like, I
there's so many things here, and a lot of them
do work, But I don't know how to direct you
if you don't know like what your desired outcome is.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
But yeah, I would say just wear sunscreen and you'll
be fine.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yes, where sunscreen.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
When I have a question about a shade, I like
will text Robert. I'm like, Robert, do I get this
shade or that shade? And Robert will text me back
like this is your shade? Yeah, this is not your shade.
Don't do that one.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
How do you determine what your shade is?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
They do train us a lot at work, but it's
a lot of it's visual. And then like once you know,
like I've been looking at stuff for a long time,
so like I know where I fall in each range
because like essentially you know, like in shoes where like
you're like I could fit in this size all the
way up to this side. Oh absolutely, and you like

(38:11):
know which brand is which and so on and so forth.
It's kind of like that scale in like foundations where
it's like I know that I'm in like usually the
first four colors, and I know that I'm un neutral,
so I'm usually around three or four neutral or whatever
variation of that sometimes it's a four hundred neutral or
it's a number four neutral or whatever the case is.

(38:32):
And then I know where she falls as after me,
and she's leads neutral but slightly all of and.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Then yeah, I don't know, I just know it.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yes, it's amazing. It's very helpful.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah. And then sometimes with certain things where it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Know, there's like only four colors in the powders and
I'm like, well you're number two. Then like cause you're
not three and you're not one.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
If you know a little color theory, Yeah, yeah, you
can apply it here, which comes from.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Like the artistry from the beginning where it was a
lot of like shading highlight in terms of like graphite
on paper.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Like it's from painting and drawing, painting, drawing.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, just the color wheel and so on.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Apply apply to the skin. So yeah, it really is
has its founding. Makeup has its foundations, and like the
classical visual arts.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, well people have also been like in their variation,
like painting their faces since the beginning of time.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, the eyeliner, the lip like makeup is also not.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Use they were.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I hate that they were and now and like the
little like stars and like the stickers that the girlies
are putting on their faces, like they were doing that
in like the Victorian era, but to cover up like
small pops.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
So like the beauty trend comes from a practical necessity
that's like tied to the historical moment, which I find
very fascinating. And how like what we consider like a
beautiful makeup look today is so different than a beautiful
makeup look at any other time period, or like powdering

(40:13):
their face is white, you know, and then like super
super pigmented blush, yeah exactly, and that's like that.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Was the height of beauty, the standard, Yeah exactly. It
is really interesting, especially because well, like I said about
the pants, where like things go the pendulum swings the
other way because you know, they want you to buy stuff.
But also like our idea and our vision of like
what is beautiful evolves, and I think nowadays I like

(40:49):
where it is. I feel like, like I know a
lot of people are like over the clean girl thing,
but there's something that's so like that I really like
about like, well, I'm wearing a lot less. It's just
it's just what I look like. And maybe maybe that's
why it's boring.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I was going to say it.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I thought you didn't I like the cleaner because it
was boring. You came around to it.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, But the thing is like everything's all jumbled together,
like you know, like people are still walking around with
like the sixties cut preest'size or like eighties blush everywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I think there's no definable beauty trend at.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
This I think it was. For a moment it was
like I don't know if you hear my stomach.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I heard it, but I don't know, can you hear
it listener?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
For a while it was like wet skin? Yes, really
are doing? Are you doing?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I read somewhere that like humans like the look of
like that sweaty look, and that's why it's so attractive
to us because.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
It's like you're working, you're laboring, you're in labor.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, they used to say that, like that's what blush was.
It was like the flush of like after you've had sex.
And what why people find it attractive?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
The post coitus glow fascinating, isn't it? Yeah? You know
what when it comes to for me, like a minimalist
or like clean girl, look like I in my life
have embraced it because I had this moment where my mom,
she is a teacher at a Catholic school, and so
they take a different photo every year. And she's been

(42:22):
at her Catholic school for like almost twenty years, so
she has twenty years worth of photos, and she like
at one point was like looking at some of them,
not all of them, and she like pointed out to me, like,
look how each year, like my face just changed just
a little bit, just a little bit, just a little bit,
just a little bit, just a little bit. And like

(42:44):
in her own words, right, she's like the skin is
just like slightly less firm, Like the glow is just
slightly different.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know, that's what she's singh, that's what she's.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Seeing in her own vision of herself documented and she
and because she's a performer and has worn like stage
makeup and false slashes and the hair like to perform
for so many years, she always emphasized to me, like
it's for the performance because what you're performing with will
take away from what you naturally have. So you have

(43:16):
to protect your natural lashes, you have to protect your
natural skin, you have to protect your hair, and like
don't take away from what you naturally have for the performance,
like give it its time, but like let your natural
beauty live because every year it's gonna fade just or
change ever so slightly, like this is her own wisdom,

(43:38):
you know. And so for me, I like took that
and said like, well, yeah, it's and she always was
very very much with me, like don't cover it because
then you're gonna lose it and then you're gonna miss it.
It's gonna go anyways, So like why are you taking
from it actively? Why are you actively covering it in
your everyday life. So when I think of like a

(43:59):
clean girl thing, like I feel like that was her version,
but she never used that term. It was more like
embrace what you have when you have it, because when
it's gone, it's gone.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, you know, I love that.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I think also, like you know, like how in the twenties,
like not everybody was a flapper.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It's like, yeah, it's always been that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Like there's definitely a large group of people that like
don't subscribe to like weary makeup ever at all, like
throughout time period, right, And I guess the clean girl
thing is like a repackaged makeup thing to get you
to buy stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
It's still makes up.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think that the idea of you, like what you're
saying is like, well, this is just me, and like
I don't have to put a lot on. That's nice
to just like be able to like walk out your
front door and not not care so much about it
because I mean, I don't know who who you're worried about, I.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Guess, but ourselves. We are our greatest enemy.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Is literally well I think too.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
There's so many like cultural things at play there, right,
Like my mom grew up in the era where it's
like it doesn't if you went to the grocery store,
it didn't matter if you were going to go buy
one little thing, like you shower at the Brenavas de Machiavas,
you dress nice, and you would be on your way
like none of this like running out in ath leisure
wear and your workout clothes like she's and she still

(45:24):
does it right. And so for my mom there's just
like and I think her era there's so much of
like pride and like how like you can be quote
like presentable or like put yourself together. And my mom
still says this about her own mother, like she will
like in admiration.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Be Like my mom used.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
To wear these like beautiful suits and we would walk
down the street and like all the men would just
like turn and look at her, and I just thought
she was so beautiful and like she always had her
hair done.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
She was like and so that was her.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
I feel like for my beauty lesson, it was like
you have to leave the hose like put right. And
I've like learned to like take what works and leave
what doesn't and like make it my own. But I
think that that's also like another way, like women have
also used like different.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Beauty tools to like feel better.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Power or yes, Like.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, what's interesting too is now at leisure can be
so high end. You're at leisure. It can cost you
five hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah you're still in sweats, but you're.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Still in sweats. But it's it's it's it's brand name.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I think there's nothing wrong with either path.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I think that like it would just be nice to
like alleviate the expectation of that and being like, I,
you know what I do want to be presentable, Like
when I want to maybe I'll put more effort.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
That is what I do.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
I'm like, Mom, I'm running to the store and my
workout clothes. It is what it is, you know, And
I'm like, can you hurry up? Like you're going to
go by like chicken, like you know when you're taking
forever because you're getting ready and I respect it.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
But I'm like, girl, yeah, because I think also today,
like you just said, Robert, like I work out, like
looking like you work out and like you go to
the gym and shop at Arawan is a status symbol
as it's a way of looking like, look at my calves,
look at my calves and veryle yeah, you know, and

(47:21):
it's it's it's going back to the idea that with
the times, like style and beauty standards change and what's
important to others and to us like evolved.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Absolutely yeah, yeah, oh my, I love that.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I like guys in these Nike socks.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
You look so good, Robert, And look at your super
clean sneakers.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Oh my gosh. I've been really into I just bought them.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I've been really into like the men's fashion shows lately,
and like ussle, short shorts are back. Short shorts are in,
thank you, not just the gay people wearing them. You'll
see the ciss gender straight guys wearing short shorts. Yeah, everywhere,
And I ye, butter yellows out, Butter yellows out.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's gonna be what is tell us? Red purple and
red for fall, like I don't know, like a plum.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I believe like a plum and like a vibrant red.
That's like gonna be the new thing.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Red is always in In our opinion, red is a neutral.
Red is a neutral, as is leopard. I wore this
in your honor is a new Leopard is a neutral.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
And denim is a neutral too.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Of course, Well, Robert, this has been so fabulous is that?
It Isn't that? No, I mean, it's this has been lovely.
It's it has been a long time coming. I mean,
if you ever thought we were fabulous and beautiful as Lok,
like in our shoots, in our videos, in our campaigns historically, like,

(48:51):
it's very likely Robert was there putting the looks together,
the hair, the makeup, setting the tone, creating vibes, giving
us confident. And so I'm just like so thrilled that
you were here with us today on Mike.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm so glad. I'm so happy to
be here.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I've been wanting to do this for a well, and
it does feel like we're just talking to each other.
I always say when people, people always say stuff like, oh,
the makeup is so good or the campaign is so good,
and I always say, you guys do make it really easy, like.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Like so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It's you know, I know your face is now too,
so that makes it a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
And yeah, yeah, I'm like, there's a mala. Look, there's
a deal a little.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
It's true.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Yeah, I do want to I do want to tell
the story of like the Spotify campaign before we leave.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
That was because our Times Square moment.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Our Time Square moment. Robert did our makeup. He did
a beautiful purple cut crease.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
On me, and I think it was green on you.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
You asked me for big and colorful?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
What we asked for big and colorful? I don't remember
what we asked for. They said, come as yourselves. They
come as yourselves.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
You know you're jumping.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
That's basically the story story wine.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
You guys sent me a mood board. Probably you guys
send mood boards.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
And I think you guys, I don't remember the words
you used, but you did us for like bright, colorful, big,
makeup like ultra glam.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yes, you were wearing pinks.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Yes, you're wearing pinks.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
So you did like a really beautiful purple no blue.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Oh, you did a blue cut crease on me.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yes, it was like colorful like blue and purple. And
you had.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Because I was wearing these bright green drops green, so
I was wearing like a pink like a matching sat
and then you gave me a green cut crease put there.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yes, So I did like a lot of makeup and
we did a cut crease and we did like big everything,
like like full on, like you know the rules of
like you just do eyes and the natural lip, or
you just do bright lip and natural eyes.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
No, we did everything.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yes, And then I just was following the prompt what
you gave me, what the moon board was, and then
I like, I literally finished, you guys are about to leave,
and I was like, I think I asked you guys,
like what did they ask you guys to come as?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Like what did they tell you?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
And then that's when you told me that they were like, oh,
they said to come as ourselves And I was like, what.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Was that.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Told me different?

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Look, just come as yourself.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
That would have been boring.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Naturally have a blue cut creeze. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah? And then to be fair, you guys are really glamorous.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So you yeah, it looked great.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
It looked me great.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
It photographs so well, it was beautiful on our times
for Billboard. It was huge, it was fabulous.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, that was a great moment and that was fun.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
We got ready at my house.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
And your sister went and took photos for us because
we couldn't.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
In sure.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And then she went to Times Square and took photos.
And if you ask the New Yorker to go to
Time Square, they will tell you no.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
But she went, she went for it.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
She bought the photo.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
That was a beautiful time.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's a fabulous time. So, Robert, if you could now
twenty twenty six, if there was a look that you
would love to see us try, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Girls, there's so many feel like I don't know something
something different. I feel like I have I have some ideas.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I want to give it away.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Give me one, give me one, like just one little one.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
What do I mean?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Did like like a bleached brows?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Like to say that no eyebrow?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, you know I've considered it like a whoopie, like
a whoopy old situation.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
When you had your pixie, you sent me photos of
a woman who had a pixie and she had bleached brows,
and you were thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah, that trans kind of over, but there's no I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
There's no trends anymore.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I also I thought about you, remember when I painted
you purple, Like I thought like, if like you were
blue and you were teel or something like like, that
would be fun paintings.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
If we do something very high fashion and avant garde.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Like HALLOWEENI yeah, okay, I was not expecting these, but
I like it.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
You're giving us things to play with, and you're.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Like I'm not bleaching my brother.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I might not even, but I might. I might do
like a lighter shade I'm dead like I would do
like he.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Doesn't mean really bleach, he means look.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I know he doesn't mean bleach that I could play with. Yeah,
it's like concealer that I could exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Okay, Our next shoot, Robert our next shoot, I love.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, we'll be like bald aliens.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
With bleached eyebrows. And I love that.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Well, this has been fabulous, Robert, thank you so much
for joining.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Thank you for joining. You're welcome anytime.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Subscribe the whole thing and follow Robert. Where can people
follow you and hire you for your makeup, looks and services?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I got locked out of that other Instagram. I just
have my main Instagram. It's going to be Robert Carlos
and yeah, that's all.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
That's all I do. I don't even post.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
No more because you're DMU for if they want to
be yes.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Message me. Oh I'm always here.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Fabulous, amazing. We love you, we love you.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I love you, we love you, we love you.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
All right, thank you for listening to another Capital Radio.
We'll catch you next time.

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