August 12, 2026 • 59 mins
This week Diosa and Mala bring back their beloved Oye Locas segment! Fellow listeners ask a range of questions, like, what's an unserious hill we're willing die on and how to handle the scaries of starting over. They also answer questions about art that's moved them and setting boundaries across relationships. Diosa and Mala also read a listener email about a recent business breakup and what to do when Latina CEOs enact lateral violence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As latinas and creating businesses that are like Latina specific.
If and when we are creating things that are specifically
like Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then
like putting ourselves into a funnel? And do we then
(00:20):
sort of create like the possibility for limitations for ourselves,
knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
latinatm you know, does it do us some sort of
a disservice down the road, because are we like too niche?
(00:45):
You know? And then does that then kind of make
us feel like there's only ten opportunities for Latina specific things,
but there's forty of us, you know, and so we
are competing for the same ten spots. And is that
like a real limitation or is it imagined?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
O la la loka motes, I'm diosa.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And I'm Mala. We are Loca Tora radio, a radiophonic novella,
which is just.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
An extra way of saying a podcast. We are back
in studio today with one of our favorite segments. But
before we get into it, I want to ask you, Mala,
how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm doing so well, Yasa, thank you. How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm doing well too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I just got back from a trip, so I'm feeling refreshed, rejuvenated, relaxed,
all the ways that I feel when I come back
from Mexico.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, you were in a couple different places in Mexico, right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I went to started in Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That was like our quote home base, because that's where
fitting on my husband's my partners.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I hate saying.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Husband except Clockett that. We got a comment on our
episode with Vicki, and this woman writes, I will not
be taking it from a panel of unmarried women, and
I'm like, at theosa is happily married, honey.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, I will claim the husband when I need to, Yes,
in those moments, Yes, But I wanted to respond to
that comment and say, you know, I married, Mala's partnered, vicious,
currently single. I think that's a fabulous points of view
to get from a panel of women.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The full range, the full range. You're so right.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, but you know when people comment things like that,
they're not actually commenting because they want to learn or
have a productive conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know, they're just trying to hate.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's so true. Yeah, it was very clear. Yeah. And
then I looked at her profile and it said like blogger, Yeah,
but I saw no such blog. Where is the blog
the work? Where's the work? Yeah? But no, I think
I like your perspective. You should weaponize your matrimony when
it suits you. Yes, I will, good, I.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Will do it in those moments.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I do that when I'm alone and someone like a
man will talk to me and like, oh, my young
waiting for my husband, right, you know, which all women do,
whether they're partnered or not.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of course two men, it's like this is my out.
There's a man waiting for me, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, And it's the only thing they respect, I know.
And sometimes like I've had that experience where someone will
ask are you married? Yes, yes I am.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I am married.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes. It's the only answer that is going to make
you leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Literally. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, well all that to say, briefly, we were in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, we were happily married in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hapily married in Mexico. We were in Mexico. We were
in Mexico City. We stay with his family when we visit,
and then we like popped over to different states or cities.
We were in, and then we were in Thasco, which
is in the state of Guerrero, and it was lovely.
Thascal Is was a mining town. There're no for their
(04:00):
production of silver. Sonando was shopping, bought practically brought all
of fascal back with him amazing, bought lots of jewelry.
And then Puebla was I mean for its historical, for
its history right as being like the Battle of Puebla,
which is where some people knew I know our listeners know,
(04:22):
but you know, it's how we got Like the Cinco
de Mayo celebration was because of the Battle of Buebla
against the French, and so we were there and it
was lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The food is so good in Puebla.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I mean, the food is great everywhere in Mexico, but
it's really fun to visit different parts and taste like
all the different regional dishes. That's one of my favorite
parts of traveling, of course, the food, but also you
know how each state or each little pueblo does something,
does it differently?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You posted as yes, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, yeah, So in Tasco there is a mole rosa.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did I was so curious, like what's the base. So
it is a beat base.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's still on the sweet side.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's not spicy at all. But I had like.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And it was delicious, and I'm surprised it hasn't really
taken off here the molerosa just because of like you know,
the quote aesthetic of it. It's you know, it's pink, but.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It was it was delicious.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, okay, I think you're calling it now, am That's
going to be the next food wave. Bria had its
moments is the next thing it is?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, you heard it here, first heard it here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
First. I'm curious, did you buy silver jewelry because you're
famously a gold girl.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I bought tiny little hoops like that I can put
on my second piercing because I always lose the ones
that are go on the second. So I was like,
let me buy because silver is a little more affordable
than gold, So I bought a couple like little small
pieces just so that I can have in the rotation,
because as much as I love gold, it's not as
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accessible for me to buy constantly, right you know. So
I do have like my quality gold pieces. I have
like quite a few, like gold plated pieces, and so
right now I am kind of in that energy mindset
of like, okay, well, silver's a little bit more in
the budget if it's quality, like and I like it,
like I'm going to buy it. So I have been
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expanding my silver collection a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And mixed metals are very in.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It is, it is very in. So I'm trying to
like get on that as well as the mixed metal.
I love, Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm so glad you had fun. That was great. I
love keeping up with your posts. Whenever you travel, you
have very aesthetic carousels.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I try.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You do a great travel, A lot of a lot
of thought that goes into it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It seems very effortless. I want to ye.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, I'm like, let me give a little bit of
everything that we do.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's like the culture, the museums, the books that I
come across, the food, the drinks, the beautiful baisahe you know,
let me capture all of that.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's like what I think about when I'm going to
post a carousel fabulous.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, we're so happy to have you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Back, I thinks, girl, and happy to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, And we have a very fun episode planned for today.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
We do.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
We're bringing back our beloved segment of O Lokas where
we answer listener questions, and our first question is so
funny and unseerious that I want us to start with it.
I love this question, what's a hill you'll die on?
And that's completely unseerious.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm obsessed with this question. What's what's your hills that
you would die on? That's completely unseerious.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's so hard because I'm such a serious person.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's this question dumbfounded me in a way because I'm like, damn,
there's so many hills that I would die on that
are so serious. Sure, so I have to think about
an unseerious one.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't know. Let me let me think about it
some more. Okay, I have mine, what's yours?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I have mine. I cannot stand when people crack an
egg and get rid of the yolk and cook only
the egg white. Okay, let me tell you why. Number One,
The yolk is where all of the flavor is, and
I feel like you are only getting like less than
(08:14):
fifty percent of the egg that you bought. You have
to crack so many eggs to make one egg white omelet,
and you're throwing away the nucleus of the egg. And
it's so wasteful, and if it's flavorless, and it's like
the and I understand there's protein in the egg white.
(08:34):
I understand the cholesterol in the yolk. I get it.
I get it. I get it. But they make like
egg white cartons that you can buy at the store.
If you want nothing but egg whites, get the carton.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And then you don't have to waste fifty percent, sixty
to seventy five percent of your egg. Yeah, like my
partner does it. Like I will make hard boiled eggs.
This is this is because of him. I will make
hard boiled eggs, and he will leave the yolk. I
eat all of the yolks. I will eat all of
his yolks. I refuse the waste. It is like an
(09:09):
abomination to me. It is against God. I can't stand it.
I just don't. And then and then when I see
recipes online and they're you know, they're getting red. Separate
the yolks, separate the yolk. No, don't separate the yolk.
Don't separate the yolk. Just get a carton of nothing
but egg whites. I agree with you because you already
know your you only want the egg whites. You already
(09:30):
know that, so so skip, skip the whole egg. Don't
even touch the egg. Leave the egg alone, leave the
egg for me, and go get a carton of egg whites.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm with you, especially with egg prices. I'm like, we
cannot be wasting a whole egg.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, yeah, no, people are dying. Yeah, we have to
eat the whole egg. If you're gonna buy it, eat
the egg. Going to the farmer's market and buying a
dozen mixed eggs and then only eating the whites a sin.
So that's mine.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Do you feel better?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's been weighing on me. I feel so much better.
Thank you for that question.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Okay, while you were talking about eggs, I thought about
my unserious hill that I'm willing to die on. Okay,
and I'm going to say it in a way that
does not allow me to go on a tangent of why,
in a way that'll make it more serious.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Please, I love a good tangent oka, especially for me. Okay,
let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But I want to keep it. I want to keep
it light and funny.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, So it really grinds my gears when people are
referring to music in Spanish as Spanish music. For example,
for example, I'm talking about bad Money, I'm talking about
sin Bandera, I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Any of the artists that I enjoy listening to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And someone says, oh, I don't really listen to Spanish music,
and I'm like me either. I also don't listen to
Spanish music unless you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, a specific artist.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Correct, But just because it's in Spanish does not make
it Spanish music unless it's from the region of Spain.
Unless it's a Spanish artist from Spain or from a
diaspora that is Spanish, it's not Spanish music. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's music in Spanish, and that grinds my gears.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
People do the same thing. They'll say Spanish food, yes,
Spanish people no, But they're not talking about Spain. They're
talking about the food and people of Latin America.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But you see why this could go in a serious direction, right,
But I'm going to keep it light and I'm just
going to say, grinds my gears. Don't do it be specific.
Is it music in Spanish or is it Spanish music.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, you could get real specific. Is it Colombian music,
is it Peruvian music? Is it Mexican music, is it
Puerto Rican music?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, but if it is in the Spanish language, it
is music in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And that is a hill that I'm willing to die on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's a good hill. There we go. You're teaching the people.
I think you're teaching the people I feel like some
of and this sometimes I think Latinos all like do that.
Latinos are guilty of this. And I noticed I think
a lot of New Yorkers do that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, I have heard that. I mean I have not
been around East Coasters the way you have they do that,
but I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, New Yorkers will refer to Spanish people, Spanish food,
Spanish music when they're talking about Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans.
But it's like Spanish is the stand.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In because of the language, because of the language.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, and I get and I get that, no
shade to that, no shade. I'm I'm like, you know,
very specific about my annoyance of music specifically.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, you also have a beautiful command of grammar.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I try that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Not all people have this is fair. Yeah, and I
think that in your speaking you you are very precise
and specific.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah it's annoying, it's good, but yeah, yeah it is good.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It is good. Yeah, be better, do better, stop upsetting
my friend.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Okay, this next question is lovely. This person is asking
how to overcome the scaries of starting over in your thirties.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Ooh. I see this a lot online where people are
a lot of people are on this journey of pivoting
starting over, starting something new in your thirties, whether that's
like a new hobby or a new career, a new degree,
just like a new way of living or moving. And
(13:34):
I think it's a beautiful thing because when you're in
your thirties, I feel this sense of security in Myselfeah,
that is like, oh no, I shouldn't be afraid to
start something new, Like I can have a grasp on myself.
I can do this without losing who I am in
(13:57):
the process. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, And I think something that I've really been sitting
with is like time is going to pass anyway, So
whether you do or don't do the thing, whatever that
may be, the time will continue to pass. So like
the thing you said you were going to do, at
the top of the year, whether you do it or not,
the calendar year is going to end.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I've really been sitting with.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That type of energy and wisdom that you know we're
starting August, when by the time you listen, it'll be
like halfway through August, and it's like the years flying by.
And I think as we get older, we realize, wow,
the years really do fly by, and the time will pass,
and so make the most of the time that you
(14:40):
do have. And if that means like pivoting, if that
means starting over, I don't know exactly, like what is
driving this question, whether it's like starting in your relationship,
ending a relationship, moving a career pivot. But I think
that energy of time will pass anyway, So just do
the thing you want to do, you know, whatever that
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might be.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I think what's scarier than starting over in your thirties.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Don't go anywhere, lokomotives, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
The scarier thing is living with regrets, is having like
those thoughts that you didn't try, you didn't give it
a chance, you didn't give yourself a chance. I can
only imagine being a woman in my sixties and seventies
and thinking oh my god, I didn't try it when
(15:34):
I could have. I think that's much scarier than taking
the leap and trying the thing, So like, why not
why not take a crazy chance, you know, why not
do a crazy dance? Why not make that up? Credit
to Lizzy Maguire of course, where all of my great
(15:56):
ideas come from. Yeah, I think. And speaking of which,
Hillary Duff is having a resurgence. Yes, she's like come
out of her I don't think she was retired. She
was just maybe resting or I think we calibrating.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She was focusing on acting right.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And she's also a mother, yes, and I think in
one of her interviews she talked about like realizing how
I think specifically the role of mother like could envelop
all of her other identities and like using that as
like really seizing that and thinking, Okay, this is my
chance to get back into music. And she started with
(16:35):
a small tour, very small theaters.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Sold out. Yeah, everyone wanted to go viral.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And so now she's having an even bigger tour, bigger venues,
you know, which I think is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yes, I love that for her. And she's like weightlifting
and she's getting press and like choreography that people used
to make fun of her for, like everybody is doing
and it's super viral right now, So I think, yeah,
like oddly perfect, you know, I think she's she's Here's
the other thing too, about this idea of starting over
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once you're in your thirties, Like your foundation is there.
You know what you've done and what you've experienced, and
the life you've lived is behind you. It's underneath you,
and you're building on it. It's I don't know if
I even would think of I don't, like you said, Yosa,
I don't know what this person, this listener who submitted
(17:30):
the question what life changes they're going through. But I
think that unless you are completely like changing your identity
and disconnecting from everything and everyone you've ever known, like,
you're probably not necessarily starting from the ground up, but
you're probably just building and growing based on what you've
(17:51):
already done, which is a beautiful thing actually, So don't
be afraid of like just growing. I think it's good.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, it is good. Yeah, And I agree with you.
Ideally you're not on the round floor anymore. You're a
little higher up, you know, whatever that may look for you,
and hopefully you have, like the support from friends, family,
a community to like also help you in whatever This
starting over quote starting over looks.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Like yeah, so yeah, don't be afraid of starting over,
but be afraid of regret. That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I don't think we want to live a life full
of regrets or get to like a decade from now
and think like I could have done this, you know,
I should have done this instead.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a beautiful thing to be
able to one day look back and say, wow, I
did it all. I tried it all. It wasn't all
for me, but I gave it a shot and I
found out on my own.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
All right, this next question, I love it. It's I
watched American Butchuko and was deeply moved. Thanks for the wreck.
Have you experienced art recently that has had an impact
on you?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
This is a great question. American Pachuco. We just did
a whole episode about this documentary American Pachuco, The Legend
of Luis Feldez. Go back and listen to that episode
if you haven't already, and go watch the film. Have
you experienced art recently the asa that has deeply moved you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Art that I recently experienced that moved me was actually
an exhibit that I saw in Mexico City and it's
called Atslan to Nell del Tempo and Atslan is spelled
with the la the Los Angeles like capital, and it
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is an exposition of Chicano art.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And for me, what was so impressive and moving about.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It is that it's at Beas artis fab, which is
an incredible iconic space for Mexican art in Mexico City.
It's where our fave Juan Gavriel, you know, they had
an incredible performance. It's now revered his performance in Beas
Artes Uh Diego di Veras murals are in Beas Arts.
(20:10):
It's just an incredible place of like culture, art history
within Mexico City. And the fact that there's an exhibit
of Chicano art there. It's like a four room exhibit.
It's multi media. It's the I got to see like
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a couple art pieces by j Salez, the creator of
Itana Cirrucas.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Now, like the art was there.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's so cool, you know, And I thought, like, for me,
what was so impactful is that there's obviously like a
lot of feelings in like the Chicano community, the Latino
community of like constantly feeling like maybe an insecurity or
like having to measure up to like a said identity.
(21:00):
And we have of course this concept of nidiaki nidiya ya.
And so to see this Chicano exhibit at such an
important place in Mexico, for me, like combined all of that,
it was like, here's the like the not the reprieve,
but like the resolution to this like searching and like
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trying to find like where do we fit in as
a community, and where do I fit in if I'm
like not from here and not from there. And then
to see it all come together in this exhibit for
me was so moving, and especially because there was so
much emphasis on la art and like la Chicanos who
were making art in the seventies in the eighties, there
was a timeline of like the migration to Mexico and
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of course acknowledging that California was once Mexico and the
Treaty of Walla Lupe Ago, and there was even mention of.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
The zootsuit riots.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Like to see this whole timeline of our history as
either Mexicans or Chicano's in Los Angeles specifically in bas Artis,
I thought was so cool and I was just deeply
moved by all of it. And one of the sponsors
of this event was Ultimate, and it just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Was like, what just so fat, It's just so wild.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, it's like someone visiting mex who visits Mexico
City often. Of course, I'm from La I knew some
of the artists that were I've followed some of the
artists whose work was displayed, and so it just felt
like this really beautiful bridge that I got to experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That's so dope, and it's you know, bas Artis is
the Fine Art Museum, It's the pinnacle of fine art
in Mexico City. And I think like, at the same time,
there's a Mexican American Cinema exhibit at the Academy Museum
that's going on. So it's like the Academy Museum is
recognizing our filmmaking. Bais Artis in Mexico City is recognizing
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our art we've made it folks. Like I think as
much as we are justified in wanting more and advocating
for more, I think that it's important to recognize when
we're being recognized and say, like yeah. You know, back
home in the Motherland, they are celebrating us and embracing us,
(23:19):
and here Stateside we are being celebrated and embraced in
certain ways in certain pockets. I mean, there's so much
work to be done, but we have to celebrate our
victories when they happen. And I think that's huge.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, And this felt like one of those victories.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
This felt like, yeah, just so for me gratifying as
a lover of art. And I can only imagine, like
the what the artists whose art was being exhibited, like
what they were experiencing and what they were feeling to
know that their art was that baas.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Artis Yeah, and some artists who it sounds like, uh,
this is art that's spanning decades. Yes, And you never know,
like what you make today, how it might reverberate decades later.
And some of our most prominent artists I think, don't
get their flowers until way down the line. That's also
(24:11):
so much of creativity and art making is you might
be greatly underappreciated in your time. So true, but you
just have to keep going. Yeah, she said to herself.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I'm like safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I know, we say to ourselves we keep going. We
just keep going.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
How about you, Mela, is there art that you recently
experienced or seen that has impacted you?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yes? Okay, So one of my favorite things about La
in the summer is all of the outdoor music. Yes,
so jazz at Lacma Grand Performances. There's salsa also downtown
all summer long, at La Plasa and at Jerry Moss Plaza,
like it's everywhere. Like La is just activated with music
(24:54):
and dancing, and I live for it. So I recently
went to Grand Performances and they were doing Roy Ayers tribute.
Roy Ayers was born and raised in La He went
to Jefferson High School, and he is considered like the
most sampled artist in hip hop. So he was a
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producer and a musician, and he made music that has
just basically like provided a foundation for hip hop. So
like Black Star and Jay Dilla and Erica Badu and
Kanye West. The list is very long of artists who
have sampled his work. So you all might be most
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familiar with that song Everybody Loves the Sunshine. And there
was an incredible twelve piece band with vocalists that performed
his repertoire and they did a little remixing and took
us on a musical journey, and it was incredible because
you can hear how he took jazz and I love jazz,
(26:00):
I'm a big jazz fan, and how he took jazz
and made it funky, and you can really hear when
you're listening to the compositions, you can hear that foundation
for hip hop and the foundation for things like house
and EEDM. So it was just cool to like, oh,
(26:20):
this is like original, this is origins, this is going
back in time to like the creativity and the sounds
that really define the music that we listen to and
love today. And people are dancing and people are vibing
out and the singers were so incredible, and me and
my partner went and he loved it, and I was
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so happy that he got to experience that because I've
been trying to get him to come to these outdoor
concerts all summer and finally we went to one and
it was just great. It was great, and it just like,
I don't know something about live music and a live band,
especially in an outdoor setting. There's just something about it
that just is really fulfilling. And it just sounded very
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la it felt very La and I like when you
have those moments where it's like a truly, truly, truly
Los Angeles creative experience, right, it's like there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, yeah, I very much feel like live music, whether
indoor or outdoor, is such a spiritual experience. Especially as
someone who does not go to church anymore. I'm like,
this is the beauty of like you're in a congregation essentially,
like as concertgoers, as people supporting the arts, to experience
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the energy behind like the music, and to feel it
in your body so much that you move right, it's
making you move, it's making you dance. There's something so
spiritual about it that I very much enjoy the live
music experience. And there is definitely like so much beauty
to it when it's in La in the summer because
everyone it's just activated in such this beautiful way. And
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I will say post World Cup, like I think a
lot of us went through like some blues, you know,
like there was so much to do that whole month,
Like everywhere you looked, it was activated. And then there's
like a little bit of like a wampwomp, like a
down like a down, like a downward like turn yeah,
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and so, but also keeping in mind like there's still
programming happening. Oh yeah, there's still so much to do
in La for free in the summer.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Absolutely, checkout Jazz at Lakhma. Checkout Grand Performances. There's a
Richie Forever night that's coming up at Grand Performances. Yes,
so it's going to be a richievalance tribute. I'm so excited, amazing. Yes, yeah,
checkout Salsa Laplasa and Jerry Moss Plaza. I mean there's
no shortage really.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, And I'm actually heading to the Music Center.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
They're having this proof be in Gumbia band called Los
Mirlos on August fifteenth, and Los Mirlos like blew up globally.
I mean they've been known globally, but they received i think,
like global recognition because they were the first Peruvian band
to perform at Coachella last year. And so they're a
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Cumbia band, Like they're the Kumbia band that like your
parents listen to, you know, your grandparents listen to, the
theos listen to. And so they've been going on like
worldwide tours and they're going to be here in La
and the Music Centers hosting them, and it's a free
concert and I will definitely be there.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh my god, it'd be great, so fun. Where else,
even in front of City Hall, there's Sunday sessions Every
Sunday there's live music or DJ at least in dancing
at Gloria Molina Grand Park. And then there's the CACRW
summer nights, and there's stuff in Chinatown like go to everything,
go to everything, enjoy La get out and enjoy the city.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, yes, and take public transpert if you can.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's it's better, it's better, it's better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
So this question is about boundaries. What do healthy boundaries
look like across all your relationships?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Oh god, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, I can't like summarize what they look like across
all my relationships because they feel so contingent on who
the person is and like what their relationship relation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
To me is, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Oh yeah, Like the boundaries I have with my dad
are very gonna look so much different than the boundaries
I have with my mom, which I'm still working on
there probably they've been like very few boundaries that I've
had with my mom. Where as I've gotten older, I've
had to learn like to place boundaries. And it's okay
to have boundaries with your with your mother, with your parents,
but they look different with each parent.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
For me, don't go anywhere, locomotives will be right back,
you know.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So I couldn't say like that I do ble things
with them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, it's definitely uh, person by person, and it's situational
because also, like you know, maybe there's maybe there's a
firm boundary one day, but then this person might need
more from you, you know. And so I'm in this
place with a family member where like this person needs
more and I want to give more. And so this
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idea of boundaries is kind of like irrelevant now, you know,
because there's just a there's more important things in this
particular relationship absolutely than like my personal boundaries, you know.
And so I think that with like work and with
like strangers, right with maybe dynamics that are not fully relationships,
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you know, I think that it's really healthy to protect
yourself and have been boundaries and I'm not going to
let people talk to me a certain way or push
me around or like encroach on my personal space. Like
it's all about self preservation in those instances absolutely and
not being afraid to like speak up for yourself and
stand up for yourself. And it was my grandma's ninety
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second birthday this weekend, and after we saying happy birthday
to her, we asked her, like if she had words
for us, and she said, never let anyone humiliate you.
And she was talking about her own experience, like being
an immigrant who came here when she was like fourteen fifteen,
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and she went from like you know, living with her
family and going to school to like working for a
family in their home, you know, and doing like domestic
labor sort of work at a very young age. And
how a dynamic like that for a young woman I
think can set you up for abuse and humiliation. And
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so one of her takeaways from just her life is
don't let anyone humiliate you. And to me, that's like
such a word you know about about setting boundaries and
protecting yourself. And I think it's also situational, right, like
who you're dealing with and how they're dealing with you.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I love that piece of advice.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
And I think, you know, as women and especially like
as latinas, like there's so much cultural messaging we are
not taught to have boundaries, so even a lot of
us don't cultivate them until you know, we're in our
twenties or thirties or.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Maybe even never or maybe never, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And the reason I share the gender piece is because
you know, my partner fedanand Tho, like he has very
firm boundaries, and there's in some ways like I really
admire his the way that he has really firm boundaries,
Like if he doesn't want to go somewhere, he.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Will not go.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Sure, right, if he does not want to do something,
he will not do it. You cannot pressure him to
do it. Now, there's of course a give and take
of like, hey, this thing is really important to me,
you know, or I want to go to this thing
for this reason, or I just want to go of course,
like we have that conversation. But if I'm asking him
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to attend something that I don't even really want to
go to, but I'm going out of Gombromiso, out of
family obligation, He's not going to go to that because
he doesn't want to because his boundaries are I will
not be in a place where I'm kind of unwelcomed
or I feel bad vibes. So I'm going to remove myself,
and I think for me that has really taught me
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a lot. But the reason I bring up the gender
piece is that it's very easy for men to remove themselves.
It's very easy for men to say I don't want
to do that, and nobody questions it, and nobody says,
oh wow, look at this. You know, bad daughter or
bad woman, right, who's not showing up? And so it's
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definitely not that black and white in our culture, in
our community and as women. But I will say, like,
I have learned a little bit more about boundary setting
from him, and like have learned to apply it in
ways that make sense for me, for my life, for
my relationships. But yeah, men, I mean men get to
get away with not doing a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, that reminds me of my dad. It's like, no,
I'm not going, I don't want to. And we're as
like with my mom or yeah with me, with me too,
it's like, well, you know I should, or this is
how we can make it happen, or this is how
we can accommodate. We'll figure it out. Saving face representing
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what will they say? What is the message.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Women are nuanced?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Queens.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Okay, Whereas this is of course in general statement, but
in my experience, men are able to just very much look.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
At things as very black and white.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
This is not to say men don't have nuance or whatever,
but it's like, in my experience, it's the women who
are asking those questions.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yes, And then there's also something about like there's also
like a dignity pride piece, Like, Okay, let's say in
an instance where I know it's a sticky situation. I
know I'm not completely welcome here, I know that I'm
not one hundred percent embraced in this space. There's something
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about showing up anyways, you know, and looking amazing, right,
and so what I'm here and now you're going to
deal with me, right, there's also kind of a fighting
spirit in that. So I don't know, there's a again,
it's situational.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It is situational.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
It's so hard, and there's all these family dynamics at
play in everyone's family's right, and so it's hard to
say like what boundaries look like across all relationships, but
I do think that's important to have boundaries, right, it
is whatever that may look like for you and for
each relationship, that you have.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, great question, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So our last question is not really a question, right,
This one's juicy that it's an email. So if I may,
I'm going to pull up this email from a listener
and she shares her experience with us, And because there's
no question, I think what she wants from us is
to one acknowledge this phenomenon that she's describing, and two
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wants us.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
To discuss it. Yes, yes, So this is what she says.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Hey, malandiosa love Q And as I'm coming out of
an eight year business breakup, gonna meiga all my professional career,
I've been guarded from white men, only to find out
the ones who have hurt me the most are the
Latina CEOs and directors. I have so many friends with
bosses that are women of color, and we swear they're
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white men in disguise. It feels like a double grief
for the career path you thought you were creating for
yourself and all that comes with it being done by
another woman of color. Gladoque Latina power all day. Also,
how do we acknowledge the lateral violence? Someone taught me
that term recently and it felt validating lateral violence. The
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decolonization and healing still needed in our community because so
many are running on survival scarcity mindsets and that's what
creates these types of CEOs.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, rant done, cabriasos.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Great, Rant great great. And this reminds me of a
scene in Real Women Have Curves where America Frere's character
Anna and her sister Estella, you know, they work in
a sweatshop and they sow gowns that they then sell
to Bloomingdale's and it's a sweatshop because they're barely getting
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paid anything. It's horrific conditions that they're working in. And
it turns out that the CEO that they are reporting
to and who is like you know, that they're completing
orders for, is a Latina CEO. And there's kind of
a confrontation. There's a showdown between Anna and this Latina CEO.
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And I think that in the movie they don't realize
she's a Latina. They assume she's a white lady. So
Anna's character is kind of like talking about her in Spanish,
and of course the CEO is a Latina and can
understand everything, and so she turns around and says to
them like you and I are not so different. And
I worked really hard to get to where I am,
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and I put in an order and you better fulfill it,
and you have you have ten days ten days sister,
you know. And it's like in that one scene and
in that one moment, it's these two very different but
kind of similar women with competing interests. And the CEO
has like worked her way to the top of this
major fashion brand and so she's trying to get her
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job done and wear the power suit. But then you
have Anna and Estella who are barely making ends meet
and who are like making the items that make this
woman tons of money. And that email just reminds me
of that of the lateral violence. You know, they're working
under her, they're working for her, but there's in theory
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shared culture and language between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I mean I think what she says is like what
this listener says in her email is so important about acknowledging,
Like there's so much scarcity mindset that when even within
our own community one of us gets to the top
or there's some type of like upward mobility, that there's
still a type of exploitation that can happen and also
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a type of lateral violence. And this email really makes
me think of what we now consider like the fall
of The Girl Boss, which we've talked about here on
LOK in so many episodes in different ways. But I
think what rings true about The Girl Boss and now
how we can look at it with this type of critique,
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is that there were women CEOs were being celebrated for
being groundbreakers and for being these like powerhouse CEOs and
raising the funds that they needed for their businesses.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Which is still true.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
However, they were then exploiting their workers, enacting like hostility
in the workplace.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
There was a workplace.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Violence happening, and there's now been exposes written about some
of these women CEOs. Are they held to a different
standard than all of the men who are CEOs, Absolutely,
and that has to be stated. However, I think the
critique of The Girl Boss is also about how.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
These women were just in acting.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They were acting like quote men in the sense that
they were violent, they were exploitative, they were still swing
like the patriarchy within their business practices.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
They were still exploiting.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And so that's what this makes me think of is
that even it goes back. I think also to this
idea of like representation right, Like representation isn't enough if
like the Latino's at the top are acting like white people,
like if they're you know, looking down on their community,
or if they're not leaving the door open, they're actually
being gatekeepers.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
It's like all of this like lateral violence, like she
mentions that can be enacted across communities.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yes, and it begs the question is it the person
or the position? Can there be an egalitarian CEO?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Does the job allow for it? Is it even possible?
And it goes all the way up to the office
of the president. Does the person in the position actually
make a big enough difference that that like one president
can actually uplift everybody? Or is the office itself so
rigid and so you know, it's it's meant to do
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a certain thing. Yea, So it's kind of plug in play.
Does it actually matter to the people at the very
very bottom and the most vulnerable, Like how big of
a difference does the person in the position of power
make when the position of power is still the position?
And I think in capitalism, the job of a CEO
is to make as much money as possible for the
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company that's the job.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say exactly that. Like
under capitalism, I don't think that there's like an egalitarian CEO.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think there are people who.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Try to enact better business practices, who you know, support unions,
who support fair wages, who are trying to minimize their
footprint you know, on the planet. But I think by
way of capitalism, it sets everyone up, you know, to exploit,
if possible, for the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I think about small businesses, you know, small businesses remains small,
I think in large part because of resources and how
much it costs to employ someone, right, and so so
many small business owners end up doing everything themselves because
to have a full time team of employees with fair
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wages and benefits is very expensive, you know, And so
scale also has so much to do with like the
size of an like with the operation and how many
people are involved, and like how everything stays afloat, And
I feel like businesses like this, like like these girl
boss businesses. I think Nasty Gal was one of them, right,
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that was like their CEO was being hailed at the time.
But the bigger and bigger and bigger it gets, it's
like Yeah, well, now we really need to look at
costs over people. And I don't know what the answer is, right,
you know, because either you keep it like small and
family owned and people are treated like family, or it's
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huge in corporate. What is the in between?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Oh man?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Because even those small businesses where it's like we're family here,
I mean, then there's also so much exploiting that can
happen under that guy's a family, right, because you would
do it for your family member, right, Like it's that
type of positioning of like we're here to support each
other because we're a family. Yes, but then there's still
like exploiting that can happen there.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It happens in the nonprofit industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
That is a whole episode within itself.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Mission driven do it for the mission, do it for
the cause. But no, this is a job. We all
have bills to pay. We each have had our own
experiences in that realm. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's I
think nothing is nothing is true ethical under capitalism, and
it's not like an excuse, it's just an unfortunate reality. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
It it requires like an entire paradigm shift, yes, you know,
an entire restructuring or takedown of everything that we know
for something new to be created, there are That is
not to say though that we shouldn't try right, or
that we shouldn't that business owners or CEOs or folks
leading an organization like shouldn't try to be better or
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enact good within their company, but acknowledging still that there
are under capitalism, the.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Pressure is like growth.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And money and that that is what will always like
win under the system.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah. And you know, we're thinking about a United States
context where we're discussing like latinas and positions of power.
But then if we go to Latin America, where in
theory everyone in a position of power is a Latin American,
there's still exploitation. Absolutely, It's not like the demographics change
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necessarily the unfair dynamics or the possibility of exploitation. So
I don't know, it's like you said, a paradigm shift
needs to take place.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, and I think, yeah, I think what this
listener also wants is and what can also lead to
change is like acknowledging that this happens right within our
community or even like within like letting out businesses and
CEOs that this happens and there is like an entire
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like unlearning that we have to do that scarcity mindset
can lead us to then maybe be exploitative or harmful
in our work practices.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And it makes me think.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Too about how like so much so many businesses have
been impacted by all the federal funds that have been
cut or contracts have been lost, right, and how that
is also contributing to some type of shift within businesses
who have had to downsize and have had to you know,
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do things differently because of lack of funding.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And then how that then contributes to this.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Type of cycle of harm within within a workplace, even
like for marginalized communities.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, there's not enough for us specifically, so I have
to hoard or gatekeep. I think also it's like as
Latina's and creating businesses that are like Latina specific. If
and when we are creating things that are specifically like
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Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then like
putting ourselves into a funnel and do we then sort
of create like the post stability for limitations for ourselves,
knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
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what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
Latin ATM you know, does it do us some sort
of a disservice down the road, because are we like
too niche? You know? And then does that then kind
of make us feel like there's only ten opportunities for
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Latino specific things, but there's forty of us, you know,
and so we are competing for the same ten spots.
And is that like a real limitation or is it imagined?
Is there more out there that maybe we don't necessarily
consider for us, Like do we sometimes limit ourselves as
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far as like our possibilities and what we're reaching for,
you know? And is there a way for us to
like expand our thinking so that we think about like
possibilities actually being limitless and the opportunities being abundant rather
than that crabs in a bucket. There's only so much,
you know. So I don't know. I think like we
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on the show are like also trying to find like
those spaces and those opportunities outside of the norm. And
it's hard, you know. I think it's like a lot
of searching and like instead of like fighting over one thing,
like we have to go out and look for other things.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, right, or create your own opportunities whatever that may
look like right, there's no like that. I think that's
one of the challenging things for us is that there's
no blueprint because ask any other like podcast production company,
multimedia production company, they all have had a different path.
They've all done it so differently, each one of them,
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and we've done things differently, right, And so I think
when you are creating your own life or creating your
own blueprint as you go, there's so much. You learn
so much while you're doing it. You know then, and
you learn from that and continue to grow from that.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much for this question or
this statement, this reflection. I think beautifully written, and it's
something that a lot of our listeners are probably dealing
with and experiencing in their own world. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I really appreciate the vulnerability in this email and you
willing to share your experience with us. Before we sign off,
I also want to address something that she said in
the email, which was Latina Power.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Oh, and we have.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Not talked about that. We've talked about it, but we
have not talked about it on the show. Something recently
that happened at a congressional hearing with Latina Power like
making national news.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
What is Latina Power?
Speaker 2 (51:52):
What is Latina Power?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
So I want us to briefly discuss this because it.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Feels and it was like a cultural zeitguy's moment.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this happens every like ten years. It
feels like, but remember when Justice Sotomayor was sworn in
and they asked her like, what is a why is Latina?
And that was its own like Zeitgei's making moment and
we're back. We are so back. What is Latina Power? Yes?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Okay, So for those not familiar, there is this brand.
They're on Instagram, it's at shop j ZD and we
have been following them for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
They've been creating merch.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
They have their own brand since for about ten years,
so about the same time we started. And what's great
about this brand in particular is that they're a married couple,
they're queer, and so they make just a lot of
really beautiful merch for the community but also you know,
for queer folks within the community and abroad or more
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broadly speaking, And they were one of the first brands,
the first Latina brands to be included in a Target
Pride collection and then Target received all that pushback, all
that flak from like conservatives about even having a pride capsule,
and they were on the receiving end of that.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Here they are again. So much love to them.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
They have faced so much public scrutiny that's so undeserving,
and here they are again. Because a couple of weeks ago,
Representative Brandon Gill was holding up pictures of their merch
that is at the Smithsonian gift shop. It's been there
four years and it's a hat that says Latina Power,
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and he was questioning the director of the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
As to what is that.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
He also referred to the merch as paraphernalia, which of
course has a very negative connotation. You know, paraphernalia is
like illicit us. Yes, no, it has that connotation of
something that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
You do bad things with it.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
You do bad things with paraphernalia.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
So he called their merch their Latino Power merch paraphernalia.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Wow, and it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
So dangerous, and you know, they were shocked and they
took it in stride. They posted about it. It felt
like a digital community of Latina's like rallied behind them
and we're showing like, well, Latina Power looks like and
it's all the things that we know were.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Possible we're capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, and I just.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Wanted us to briefly talk about that and acknowledge that
that happened, because.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
What Yeah, so this is amazing because it's like Latina
power could be this like speaking truth to power and
representation and like making waves even at the congression level.
But then Latina power could be used like in these
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negative ways like our listener wrote in about and it's
Latina's have power. How are we wielding our power?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
It also reminds me of the episode that we did
several seasons ago about the Chingona Industrial Complex.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh yes, oh yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
And so we talked about the concept of a Chingona
and how that's been very much embraced by the by
our community, by certain members of the community, and we
used like Neri Martinez. We're a council member Neri Martinez,
who was a champion of like the chinonas.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
A self identified Chingona.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And how you know she was using her position of
power to disenfranchise black voters and black power in Los Angeles.
And so that is an example of using Latino power
for harm.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, no, very true. I mean that's the question I
think always at the core is you fight for power,
what do you do with it? Whether we're talking about
Caesar Traves and the way that he used his power
to abuse women and girls in the movement, or you're
talking about like a LATINX politician who is using their
position of power to disenfranchise or a Latina CEO who
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is using her position of power to exploit. When you
fight for the power, and then what do you do
once you have it? And that's really like the ultimate question.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, Yeah, And then I think we have this like
very benevolent example of this brand who makes merch to
empower their community and have a Latina power line and
then are on the receiving end of vitriol and questioning
by a representative.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Of the US government.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
You know, it's just so striking, these two ends of
the spectrum that we see.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
But it also is so interesting because you might think like, oh,
I'm making my art to my Latina art, you know,
and it's for my folks and it's for my community,
and then you don't know who's going to see it
and what they're going to do with it when they
see it, and how they respond. Yeah, And that's also
very striking.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean, and it's you know, zooming out.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
It is.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
It just shows us what elected officials in the US are,
what they're doing to our like cultural institutions, how they're
scrutinizing the exhibits that they have, the merch that they have,
because the Smithsonian is a national institution, which I think,
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you know, is also another example of like wait where
did they do that again?
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Like, oh, fascist did that?
Speaker 3 (57:49):
In fascist countries, they're doing that, we're doing that, And
so it's also like zooming out like yes, it went viral, like.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Within our community.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yes, we were talking about Latino power, and a lot
of us were you know, like tongue in cheek, you know,
making comments, but like zooming out like.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh, this is actually really serious.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
You know that there's so much scrutiny of the our
cultural institutions and how under threat they are.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
The policing and it even goes back to like what
we've talked about in the past few episodes, like the
zoot suit riots and servicemen attacking and stripping the zoot
suitors of their zootsuits and you know, fashion as a
political statement and wearing your culture as an act of
Resistance and it's like all it's all related, and which
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is why we talk about it on the show. And
then it makes it into a congressional hearing and that's wild.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Well, all that to say, keep making your art, keep
making keep making it. It might end up at beasts,
it might end up at a congressional hearing.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know, it might stay within your community.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
You know, we don't know where our art will travel, too,
and that's one of the powerful things about art.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
So yeah, keep making it.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Keep making your art, and keep listening to look at
Thought Radio.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
We will catch you next time.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Besit us Loclumnia
As latinas and creating businesses that are like Latina specific.
If and when we are creating things that are specifically
like Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then
like putting ourselves into a funnel? And do we then
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sort of create like the possibility for limitations for ourselves,
knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
latinatm you know, does it do us some sort of
a disservice down the road, because are we like too niche?
(00:45):
You know? And then does that then kind of make
us feel like there's only ten opportunities for Latina specific things,
but there's forty of us, you know, and so we
are competing for the same ten spots. And is that
like a real limitation or is it imagined?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
O la la loka motes, I'm diosa.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And I'm Mala. We are Loca Tora radio, a radiophonic novella,
which is just.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
An extra way of saying a podcast. We are back
in studio today with one of our favorite segments. But
before we get into it, I want to ask you, Mala,
how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm doing so well, Yasa, thank you. How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm doing well too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I just got back from a trip, so I'm feeling refreshed, rejuvenated, relaxed,
all the ways that I feel when I come back
from Mexico.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, you were in a couple different places in Mexico, right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I went to started in Mexico City.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That was like our quote home base, because that's where
fitting on my husband's my partners.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I hate saying.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Husband except Clockett that. We got a comment on our
episode with Vicki, and this woman writes, I will not
be taking it from a panel of unmarried women, and
I'm like, at theosa is happily married, honey.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, I will claim the husband when I need to, Yes,
in those moments, Yes, But I wanted to respond to
that comment and say, you know, I married, Mala's partnered, vicious,
currently single. I think that's a fabulous points of view
to get from a panel of women.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
The full range, the full range. You're so right.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, but you know when people comment things like that,
they're not actually commenting because they want to learn or
have a productive conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know, they're just trying to hate.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's so true. Yeah, it was very clear. Yeah. And
then I looked at her profile and it said like blogger, Yeah,
but I saw no such blog. Where is the blog
the work? Where's the work? Yeah? But no, I think
I like your perspective. You should weaponize your matrimony when
it suits you. Yes, I will, good, I.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Will do it in those moments.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I do that when I'm alone and someone like a
man will talk to me and like, oh, my young
waiting for my husband, right, you know, which all women do,
whether they're partnered or not.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of course two men, it's like this is my out.
There's a man waiting for me, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, And it's the only thing they respect, I know.
And sometimes like I've had that experience where someone will
ask are you married? Yes, yes I am.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I am married.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes. It's the only answer that is going to make
you leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Literally. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, well all that to say, briefly, we were in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, we were happily married in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hapily married in Mexico. We were in Mexico. We were
in Mexico City. We stay with his family when we visit,
and then we like popped over to different states or cities.
We were in, and then we were in Thasco, which
is in the state of Guerrero, and it was lovely.
Thascal Is was a mining town. There're no for their
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production of silver. Sonando was shopping, bought practically brought all
of fascal back with him amazing, bought lots of jewelry.
And then Puebla was I mean for its historical, for
its history right as being like the Battle of Puebla,
which is where some people knew I know our listeners know,
(04:22):
but you know, it's how we got Like the Cinco
de Mayo celebration was because of the Battle of Buebla
against the French, and so we were there and it
was lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The food is so good in Puebla.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I mean, the food is great everywhere in Mexico, but
it's really fun to visit different parts and taste like
all the different regional dishes. That's one of my favorite
parts of traveling, of course, the food, but also you
know how each state or each little pueblo does something,
does it differently?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You posted as yes, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, yeah, So in Tasco there is a mole rosa.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did I was so curious, like what's the base. So
it is a beat base.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's still on the sweet side.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's not spicy at all. But I had like.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And it was delicious, and I'm surprised it hasn't really
taken off here the molerosa just because of like you know,
the quote aesthetic of it. It's you know, it's pink, but.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It was it was delicious.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, okay, I think you're calling it now, am That's
going to be the next food wave. Bria had its
moments is the next thing it is?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, you heard it here, first heard it here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
First. I'm curious, did you buy silver jewelry because you're
famously a gold girl.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I bought tiny little hoops like that I can put
on my second piercing because I always lose the ones
that are go on the second. So I was like,
let me buy because silver is a little more affordable
than gold, So I bought a couple like little small
pieces just so that I can have in the rotation,
because as much as I love gold, it's not as
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accessible for me to buy constantly, right you know. So
I do have like my quality gold pieces. I have
like quite a few, like gold plated pieces, and so
right now I am kind of in that energy mindset
of like, okay, well, silver's a little bit more in
the budget if it's quality, like and I like it,
like I'm going to buy it. So I have been
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expanding my silver collection a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And mixed metals are very in.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It is, it is very in. So I'm trying to
like get on that as well as the mixed metal.
I love, Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm so glad you had fun. That was great. I
love keeping up with your posts. Whenever you travel, you
have very aesthetic carousels.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I try.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You do a great travel, A lot of a lot
of thought that goes into it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It seems very effortless. I want to ye.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, I'm like, let me give a little bit of
everything that we do.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's like the culture, the museums, the books that I
come across, the food, the drinks, the beautiful baisahe you know,
let me capture all of that.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's like what I think about when I'm going to
post a carousel fabulous.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, we're so happy to have you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Back, I thinks, girl, and happy to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, And we have a very fun episode planned for today.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
We do.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
We're bringing back our beloved segment of O Lokas where
we answer listener questions, and our first question is so
funny and unseerious that I want us to start with it.
I love this question, what's a hill you'll die on?
And that's completely unseerious.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm obsessed with this question. What's what's your hills that
you would die on? That's completely unseerious.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's so hard because I'm such a serious person.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's this question dumbfounded me in a way because I'm like, damn,
there's so many hills that I would die on that
are so serious. Sure, so I have to think about
an unseerious one.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't know. Let me let me think about it
some more. Okay, I have mine, what's yours?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I have mine. I cannot stand when people crack an
egg and get rid of the yolk and cook only
the egg white. Okay, let me tell you why. Number One,
The yolk is where all of the flavor is, and
I feel like you are only getting like less than
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fifty percent of the egg that you bought. You have
to crack so many eggs to make one egg white omelet,
and you're throwing away the nucleus of the egg. And
it's so wasteful, and if it's flavorless, and it's like
the and I understand there's protein in the egg white.
(08:34):
I understand the cholesterol in the yolk. I get it.
I get it. I get it. But they make like
egg white cartons that you can buy at the store.
If you want nothing but egg whites, get the carton.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And then you don't have to waste fifty percent, sixty
to seventy five percent of your egg. Yeah, like my
partner does it. Like I will make hard boiled eggs.
This is this is because of him. I will make
hard boiled eggs, and he will leave the yolk. I
eat all of the yolks. I will eat all of
his yolks. I refuse the waste. It is like an
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abomination to me. It is against God. I can't stand it.
I just don't. And then and then when I see
recipes online and they're you know, they're getting red. Separate
the yolks, separate the yolk. No, don't separate the yolk.
Don't separate the yolk. Just get a carton of nothing
but egg whites. I agree with you because you already
know your you only want the egg whites. You already
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know that, so so skip, skip the whole egg. Don't
even touch the egg. Leave the egg alone, leave the
egg for me, and go get a carton of egg whites.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm with you, especially with egg prices. I'm like, we
cannot be wasting a whole egg.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, yeah, no, people are dying. Yeah, we have to
eat the whole egg. If you're gonna buy it, eat
the egg. Going to the farmer's market and buying a
dozen mixed eggs and then only eating the whites a sin.
So that's mine.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Do you feel better?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's been weighing on me. I feel so much better.
Thank you for that question.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Okay, while you were talking about eggs, I thought about
my unserious hill that I'm willing to die on. Okay,
and I'm going to say it in a way that
does not allow me to go on a tangent of why,
in a way that'll make it more serious.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Please, I love a good tangent oka, especially for me. Okay,
let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But I want to keep it. I want to keep
it light and funny.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, So it really grinds my gears when people are
referring to music in Spanish as Spanish music. For example,
for example, I'm talking about bad Money, I'm talking about
sin Bandera, I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Any of the artists that I enjoy listening to.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And someone says, oh, I don't really listen to Spanish music,
and I'm like me either. I also don't listen to
Spanish music unless you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, a specific artist.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Correct, But just because it's in Spanish does not make
it Spanish music unless it's from the region of Spain.
Unless it's a Spanish artist from Spain or from a
diaspora that is Spanish, it's not Spanish music. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's music in Spanish, and that grinds my gears.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
People do the same thing. They'll say Spanish food, yes,
Spanish people no, But they're not talking about Spain. They're
talking about the food and people of Latin America.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But you see why this could go in a serious direction, right,
But I'm going to keep it light and I'm just
going to say, grinds my gears. Don't do it be specific.
Is it music in Spanish or is it Spanish music.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, you could get real specific. Is it Colombian music,
is it Peruvian music? Is it Mexican music, is it
Puerto Rican music?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, but if it is in the Spanish language, it
is music in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And that is a hill that I'm willing to die on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's a good hill. There we go. You're teaching the people.
I think you're teaching the people I feel like some
of and this sometimes I think Latinos all like do that.
Latinos are guilty of this. And I noticed I think
a lot of New Yorkers do that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, I have heard that. I mean I have not
been around East Coasters the way you have they do that,
but I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, New Yorkers will refer to Spanish people, Spanish food,
Spanish music when they're talking about Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans.
But it's like Spanish is the stand.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In because of the language, because of the language.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, and I get and I get that, no
shade to that, no shade. I'm I'm like, you know,
very specific about my annoyance of music specifically.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, you also have a beautiful command of grammar.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I try that.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Not all people have this is fair. Yeah, and I
think that in your speaking you you are very precise
and specific.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah it's annoying, it's good, but yeah, yeah it is good.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It is good. Yeah, be better, do better, stop upsetting
my friend.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Okay, this next question is lovely. This person is asking
how to overcome the scaries of starting over in your thirties.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Ooh. I see this a lot online where people are
a lot of people are on this journey of pivoting
starting over, starting something new in your thirties, whether that's
like a new hobby or a new career, a new degree,
just like a new way of living or moving. And
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I think it's a beautiful thing because when you're in
your thirties, I feel this sense of security in Myselfeah,
that is like, oh no, I shouldn't be afraid to
start something new, Like I can have a grasp on myself.
I can do this without losing who I am in
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the process. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, And I think something that I've really been sitting
with is like time is going to pass anyway, So
whether you do or don't do the thing, whatever that
may be, the time will continue to pass. So like
the thing you said you were going to do, at
the top of the year, whether you do it or not,
the calendar year is going to end.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I've really been sitting with.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That type of energy and wisdom that you know we're
starting August, when by the time you listen, it'll be
like halfway through August, and it's like the years flying by.
And I think as we get older, we realize, wow,
the years really do fly by, and the time will pass,
and so make the most of the time that you
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do have. And if that means like pivoting, if that
means starting over, I don't know exactly, like what is
driving this question, whether it's like starting in your relationship,
ending a relationship, moving a career pivot. But I think
that energy of time will pass anyway, So just do
the thing you want to do, you know, whatever that
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might be.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I think what's scarier than starting over in your thirties.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Don't go anywhere, lokomotives, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
The scarier thing is living with regrets, is having like
those thoughts that you didn't try, you didn't give it
a chance, you didn't give yourself a chance. I can
only imagine being a woman in my sixties and seventies
and thinking oh my god, I didn't try it when
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I could have. I think that's much scarier than taking
the leap and trying the thing, So like, why not
why not take a crazy chance, you know, why not
do a crazy dance? Why not make that up? Credit
to Lizzy Maguire of course, where all of my great
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ideas come from. Yeah, I think. And speaking of which,
Hillary Duff is having a resurgence. Yes, she's like come
out of her I don't think she was retired. She
was just maybe resting or I think we calibrating.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She was focusing on acting right.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And she's also a mother, yes, and I think in
one of her interviews she talked about like realizing how
I think specifically the role of mother like could envelop
all of her other identities and like using that as
like really seizing that and thinking, Okay, this is my
chance to get back into music. And she started with
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a small tour, very small theaters.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Sold out. Yeah, everyone wanted to go viral.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And so now she's having an even bigger tour, bigger venues,
you know, which I think is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yes, I love that for her. And she's like weightlifting
and she's getting press and like choreography that people used
to make fun of her for, like everybody is doing
and it's super viral right now, So I think, yeah,
like oddly perfect, you know, I think she's she's Here's
the other thing too, about this idea of starting over
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once you're in your thirties, Like your foundation is there.
You know what you've done and what you've experienced, and
the life you've lived is behind you. It's underneath you,
and you're building on it. It's I don't know if
I even would think of I don't, like you said, Yosa,
I don't know what this person, this listener who submitted
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the question what life changes they're going through. But I
think that unless you are completely like changing your identity
and disconnecting from everything and everyone you've ever known, like,
you're probably not necessarily starting from the ground up, but
you're probably just building and growing based on what you've
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already done, which is a beautiful thing actually, So don't
be afraid of like just growing. I think it's good.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, it is good. Yeah, And I agree with you.
Ideally you're not on the round floor anymore. You're a
little higher up, you know, whatever that may look for you,
and hopefully you have, like the support from friends, family,
a community to like also help you in whatever This
starting over quote starting over looks.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Like yeah, so yeah, don't be afraid of starting over,
but be afraid of regret. That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I don't think we want to live a life full
of regrets or get to like a decade from now
and think like I could have done this, you know,
I should have done this instead.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a beautiful thing to be
able to one day look back and say, wow, I
did it all. I tried it all. It wasn't all
for me, but I gave it a shot and I
found out on my own.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
All right, this next question, I love it. It's I
watched American Butchuko and was deeply moved. Thanks for the wreck.
Have you experienced art recently that has had an impact
on you?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
This is a great question. American Pachuco. We just did
a whole episode about this documentary American Pachuco, The Legend
of Luis Feldez. Go back and listen to that episode
if you haven't already, and go watch the film. Have
you experienced art recently the asa that has deeply moved you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Art that I recently experienced that moved me was actually
an exhibit that I saw in Mexico City and it's
called Atslan to Nell del Tempo and Atslan is spelled
with the la the Los Angeles like capital, and it
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is an exposition of Chicano art.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And for me, what was so impressive and moving about.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It is that it's at Beas artis fab, which is
an incredible iconic space for Mexican art in Mexico City.
It's where our fave Juan Gavriel, you know, they had
an incredible performance. It's now revered his performance in Beas
Artes Uh Diego di Veras murals are in Beas Arts.
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It's just an incredible place of like culture, art history
within Mexico City. And the fact that there's an exhibit
of Chicano art there. It's like a four room exhibit.
It's multi media. It's the I got to see like
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a couple art pieces by j Salez, the creator of
Itana Cirrucas.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Now, like the art was there.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's so cool, you know, And I thought, like, for me,
what was so impactful is that there's obviously like a
lot of feelings in like the Chicano community, the Latino
community of like constantly feeling like maybe an insecurity or
like having to measure up to like a said identity.
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And we have of course this concept of nidiaki nidiya ya.
And so to see this Chicano exhibit at such an
important place in Mexico, for me, like combined all of that,
it was like, here's the like the not the reprieve,
but like the resolution to this like searching and like
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trying to find like where do we fit in as
a community, and where do I fit in if I'm
like not from here and not from there. And then
to see it all come together in this exhibit for
me was so moving, and especially because there was so
much emphasis on la art and like la Chicanos who
were making art in the seventies in the eighties, there
was a timeline of like the migration to Mexico and
(21:47):
of course acknowledging that California was once Mexico and the
Treaty of Walla Lupe Ago, and there was even mention of.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
The zootsuit riots.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Like to see this whole timeline of our history as
either Mexicans or Chicano's in Los Angeles specifically in bas Artis,
I thought was so cool and I was just deeply
moved by all of it. And one of the sponsors
of this event was Ultimate, and it just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Was like, what just so fat, It's just so wild.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, it's like someone visiting mex who visits Mexico
City often. Of course, I'm from La I knew some
of the artists that were I've followed some of the
artists whose work was displayed, and so it just felt
like this really beautiful bridge that I got to experience.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
That's so dope, and it's you know, bas Artis is
the Fine Art Museum, It's the pinnacle of fine art
in Mexico City. And I think like, at the same time,
there's a Mexican American Cinema exhibit at the Academy Museum
that's going on. So it's like the Academy Museum is
recognizing our filmmaking. Bais Artis in Mexico City is recognizing
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our art we've made it folks. Like I think as
much as we are justified in wanting more and advocating
for more, I think that it's important to recognize when
we're being recognized and say, like yeah. You know, back
home in the Motherland, they are celebrating us and embracing us,
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and here Stateside we are being celebrated and embraced in
certain ways in certain pockets. I mean, there's so much
work to be done, but we have to celebrate our
victories when they happen. And I think that's huge.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, And this felt like one of those victories.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
This felt like, yeah, just so for me gratifying as
a lover of art. And I can only imagine, like
the what the artists whose art was being exhibited, like
what they were experiencing and what they were feeling to
know that their art was that baas.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Artis Yeah, and some artists who it sounds like, uh,
this is art that's spanning decades. Yes, And you never know,
like what you make today, how it might reverberate decades later.
And some of our most prominent artists I think, don't
get their flowers until way down the line. That's also
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so much of creativity and art making is you might
be greatly underappreciated in your time. So true, but you
just have to keep going. Yeah, she said to herself.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I'm like safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I know, we say to ourselves we keep going. We
just keep going.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
How about you, Mela, is there art that you recently
experienced or seen that has impacted you?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yes? Okay, So one of my favorite things about La
in the summer is all of the outdoor music. Yes,
so jazz at Lacma Grand Performances. There's salsa also downtown
all summer long, at La Plasa and at Jerry Moss Plaza,
like it's everywhere. Like La is just activated with music
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and dancing, and I live for it. So I recently
went to Grand Performances and they were doing Roy Ayers tribute.
Roy Ayers was born and raised in La He went
to Jefferson High School, and he is considered like the
most sampled artist in hip hop. So he was a
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producer and a musician, and he made music that has
just basically like provided a foundation for hip hop. So
like Black Star and Jay Dilla and Erica Badu and
Kanye West. The list is very long of artists who
have sampled his work. So you all might be most
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familiar with that song Everybody Loves the Sunshine. And there
was an incredible twelve piece band with vocalists that performed
his repertoire and they did a little remixing and took
us on a musical journey, and it was incredible because
you can hear how he took jazz and I love jazz,
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I'm a big jazz fan, and how he took jazz
and made it funky, and you can really hear when
you're listening to the compositions, you can hear that foundation
for hip hop and the foundation for things like house
and EEDM. So it was just cool to like, oh,
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this is like original, this is origins, this is going
back in time to like the creativity and the sounds
that really define the music that we listen to and
love today. And people are dancing and people are vibing
out and the singers were so incredible, and me and
my partner went and he loved it, and I was
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so happy that he got to experience that because I've
been trying to get him to come to these outdoor
concerts all summer and finally we went to one and
it was just great. It was great, and it just like,
I don't know something about live music and a live band,
especially in an outdoor setting. There's just something about it
that just is really fulfilling. And it just sounded very
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la it felt very La and I like when you
have those moments where it's like a truly, truly, truly
Los Angeles creative experience, right, it's like there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, yeah, I very much feel like live music, whether
indoor or outdoor, is such a spiritual experience. Especially as
someone who does not go to church anymore. I'm like,
this is the beauty of like you're in a congregation essentially,
like as concertgoers, as people supporting the arts, to experience
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the energy behind like the music, and to feel it
in your body so much that you move right, it's
making you move, it's making you dance. There's something so
spiritual about it that I very much enjoy the live
music experience. And there is definitely like so much beauty
to it when it's in La in the summer because
everyone it's just activated in such this beautiful way. And
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I will say post World Cup, like I think a
lot of us went through like some blues, you know,
like there was so much to do that whole month,
Like everywhere you looked, it was activated. And then there's
like a little bit of like a wampwomp, like a
down like a down, like a downward like turn yeah,
(28:25):
and so, but also keeping in mind like there's still
programming happening. Oh yeah, there's still so much to do
in La for free in the summer.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Absolutely, checkout Jazz at Lakhma. Checkout Grand Performances. There's a
Richie Forever night that's coming up at Grand Performances. Yes,
so it's going to be a richievalance tribute. I'm so excited, amazing. Yes, yeah,
checkout Salsa Laplasa and Jerry Moss Plaza. I mean there's
no shortage really.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, And I'm actually heading to the Music Center.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
They're having this proof be in Gumbia band called Los
Mirlos on August fifteenth, and Los Mirlos like blew up globally.
I mean they've been known globally, but they received i think,
like global recognition because they were the first Peruvian band
to perform at Coachella last year. And so they're a
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Cumbia band, Like they're the Kumbia band that like your
parents listen to, you know, your grandparents listen to, the
theos listen to. And so they've been going on like
worldwide tours and they're going to be here in La
and the Music Centers hosting them, and it's a free
concert and I will definitely be there.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh my god, it'd be great, so fun. Where else,
even in front of City Hall, there's Sunday sessions Every
Sunday there's live music or DJ at least in dancing
at Gloria Molina Grand Park. And then there's the CACRW
summer nights, and there's stuff in Chinatown like go to everything,
go to everything, enjoy La get out and enjoy the city.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, yes, and take public transpert if you can.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's it's better, it's better, it's better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
So this question is about boundaries. What do healthy boundaries
look like across all your relationships?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Oh god, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, I can't like summarize what they look like across
all my relationships because they feel so contingent on who
the person is and like what their relationship relation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
To me is, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Oh yeah, Like the boundaries I have with my dad
are very gonna look so much different than the boundaries
I have with my mom, which I'm still working on
there probably they've been like very few boundaries that I've
had with my mom. Where as I've gotten older, I've
had to learn like to place boundaries. And it's okay
to have boundaries with your with your mother, with your parents,
but they look different with each parent.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
For me, don't go anywhere, locomotives will be right back,
you know.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So I couldn't say like that I do ble things
with them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, it's definitely uh, person by person, and it's situational
because also, like you know, maybe there's maybe there's a
firm boundary one day, but then this person might need
more from you, you know. And so I'm in this
place with a family member where like this person needs
more and I want to give more. And so this
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idea of boundaries is kind of like irrelevant now, you know,
because there's just a there's more important things in this
particular relationship absolutely than like my personal boundaries, you know.
And so I think that with like work and with
like strangers, right with maybe dynamics that are not fully relationships,
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you know, I think that it's really healthy to protect
yourself and have been boundaries and I'm not going to
let people talk to me a certain way or push
me around or like encroach on my personal space. Like
it's all about self preservation in those instances absolutely and
not being afraid to like speak up for yourself and
stand up for yourself. And it was my grandma's ninety
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second birthday this weekend, and after we saying happy birthday
to her, we asked her, like if she had words
for us, and she said, never let anyone humiliate you.
And she was talking about her own experience, like being
an immigrant who came here when she was like fourteen fifteen,
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and she went from like you know, living with her
family and going to school to like working for a
family in their home, you know, and doing like domestic
labor sort of work at a very young age. And
how a dynamic like that for a young woman I
think can set you up for abuse and humiliation. And
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so one of her takeaways from just her life is
don't let anyone humiliate you. And to me, that's like
such a word you know about about setting boundaries and
protecting yourself. And I think it's also situational, right, like
who you're dealing with and how they're dealing with you.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I love that piece of advice.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
And I think, you know, as women and especially like
as latinas, like there's so much cultural messaging we are
not taught to have boundaries, so even a lot of
us don't cultivate them until you know, we're in our
twenties or thirties or.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Maybe even never or maybe never, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And the reason I share the gender piece is because
you know, my partner fedanand Tho, like he has very
firm boundaries, and there's in some ways like I really
admire his the way that he has really firm boundaries,
Like if he doesn't want to go somewhere, he.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Will not go.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Sure, right, if he does not want to do something,
he will not do it. You cannot pressure him to
do it. Now, there's of course a give and take
of like, hey, this thing is really important to me,
you know, or I want to go to this thing
for this reason, or I just want to go of course,
like we have that conversation. But if I'm asking him
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to attend something that I don't even really want to
go to, but I'm going out of Gombromiso, out of
family obligation, He's not going to go to that because
he doesn't want to because his boundaries are I will
not be in a place where I'm kind of unwelcomed
or I feel bad vibes. So I'm going to remove myself,
and I think for me that has really taught me
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a lot. But the reason I bring up the gender
piece is that it's very easy for men to remove themselves.
It's very easy for men to say I don't want
to do that, and nobody questions it, and nobody says,
oh wow, look at this. You know, bad daughter or
bad woman, right, who's not showing up? And so it's
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definitely not that black and white in our culture, in
our community and as women. But I will say, like,
I have learned a little bit more about boundary setting
from him, and like have learned to apply it in
ways that make sense for me, for my life, for
my relationships. But yeah, men, I mean men get to
get away with not doing a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, that reminds me of my dad. It's like, no,
I'm not going, I don't want to. And we're as
like with my mom or yeah with me, with me too,
it's like, well, you know I should, or this is
how we can make it happen, or this is how
we can accommodate. We'll figure it out. Saving face representing
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what will they say? What is the message.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Women are nuanced?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Queens.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Okay, Whereas this is of course in general statement, but
in my experience, men are able to just very much look.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
At things as very black and white.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
This is not to say men don't have nuance or whatever,
but it's like, in my experience, it's the women who
are asking those questions.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yes, And then there's also something about like there's also
like a dignity pride piece, Like, Okay, let's say in
an instance where I know it's a sticky situation. I
know I'm not completely welcome here, I know that I'm
not one hundred percent embraced in this space. There's something
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about showing up anyways, you know, and looking amazing, right,
and so what I'm here and now you're going to
deal with me, right, there's also kind of a fighting
spirit in that. So I don't know, there's a again,
it's situational.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It is situational.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
It's so hard, and there's all these family dynamics at
play in everyone's family's right, and so it's hard to
say like what boundaries look like across all relationships, but
I do think that's important to have boundaries, right, it
is whatever that may look like for you and for
each relationship, that you have.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, great question, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So our last question is not really a question, right,
This one's juicy that it's an email. So if I may,
I'm going to pull up this email from a listener
and she shares her experience with us, And because there's
no question, I think what she wants from us is
to one acknowledge this phenomenon that she's describing, and two
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wants us.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
To discuss it. Yes, yes, So this is what she says.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Hey, malandiosa love Q And as I'm coming out of
an eight year business breakup, gonna meiga all my professional career,
I've been guarded from white men, only to find out
the ones who have hurt me the most are the
Latina CEOs and directors. I have so many friends with
bosses that are women of color, and we swear they're
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white men in disguise. It feels like a double grief
for the career path you thought you were creating for
yourself and all that comes with it being done by
another woman of color. Gladoque Latina power all day. Also,
how do we acknowledge the lateral violence? Someone taught me
that term recently and it felt validating lateral violence. The
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decolonization and healing still needed in our community because so
many are running on survival scarcity mindsets and that's what
creates these types of CEOs.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, rant done, cabriasos.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Great, Rant great great. And this reminds me of a
scene in Real Women Have Curves where America Frere's character
Anna and her sister Estella, you know, they work in
a sweatshop and they sow gowns that they then sell
to Bloomingdale's and it's a sweatshop because they're barely getting
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paid anything. It's horrific conditions that they're working in. And
it turns out that the CEO that they are reporting
to and who is like you know, that they're completing
orders for, is a Latina CEO. And there's kind of
a confrontation. There's a showdown between Anna and this Latina CEO.
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And I think that in the movie they don't realize
she's a Latina. They assume she's a white lady. So
Anna's character is kind of like talking about her in Spanish,
and of course the CEO is a Latina and can
understand everything, and so she turns around and says to
them like you and I are not so different. And
I worked really hard to get to where I am,
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and I put in an order and you better fulfill it,
and you have you have ten days ten days sister,
you know. And it's like in that one scene and
in that one moment, it's these two very different but
kind of similar women with competing interests. And the CEO
has like worked her way to the top of this
major fashion brand and so she's trying to get her
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job done and wear the power suit. But then you
have Anna and Estella who are barely making ends meet
and who are like making the items that make this
woman tons of money. And that email just reminds me
of that of the lateral violence. You know, they're working
under her, they're working for her, but there's in theory
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shared culture and language between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I mean I think what she says is like what
this listener says in her email is so important about acknowledging,
Like there's so much scarcity mindset that when even within
our own community one of us gets to the top
or there's some type of like upward mobility, that there's
still a type of exploitation that can happen and also
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a type of lateral violence. And this email really makes
me think of what we now consider like the fall
of The Girl Boss, which we've talked about here on
LOK in so many episodes in different ways. But I
think what rings true about The Girl Boss and now
how we can look at it with this type of critique,
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is that there were women CEOs were being celebrated for
being groundbreakers and for being these like powerhouse CEOs and
raising the funds that they needed for their businesses.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Which is still true.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
However, they were then exploiting their workers, enacting like hostility
in the workplace.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
There was a workplace.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Violence happening, and there's now been exposes written about some
of these women CEOs. Are they held to a different
standard than all of the men who are CEOs, Absolutely,
and that has to be stated. However, I think the
critique of The Girl Boss is also about how.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
These women were just in acting.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
They were acting like quote men in the sense that
they were violent, they were exploitative, they were still swing
like the patriarchy within their business practices.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
They were still exploiting.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And so that's what this makes me think of is
that even it goes back. I think also to this
idea of like representation right, Like representation isn't enough if
like the Latino's at the top are acting like white people,
like if they're you know, looking down on their community,
or if they're not leaving the door open, they're actually
being gatekeepers.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
It's like all of this like lateral violence, like she
mentions that can be enacted across communities.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yes, and it begs the question is it the person
or the position? Can there be an egalitarian CEO?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Does the job allow for it? Is it even possible?
And it goes all the way up to the office
of the president. Does the person in the position actually
make a big enough difference that that like one president
can actually uplift everybody? Or is the office itself so
rigid and so you know, it's it's meant to do
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a certain thing. Yea, So it's kind of plug in play.
Does it actually matter to the people at the very
very bottom and the most vulnerable, Like how big of
a difference does the person in the position of power
make when the position of power is still the position?
And I think in capitalism, the job of a CEO
is to make as much money as possible for the
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company that's the job.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say exactly that. Like
under capitalism, I don't think that there's like an egalitarian CEO.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think there are people who.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Try to enact better business practices, who you know, support unions,
who support fair wages, who are trying to minimize their
footprint you know, on the planet. But I think by
way of capitalism, it sets everyone up, you know, to exploit,
if possible, for the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I think about small businesses, you know, small businesses remains small,
I think in large part because of resources and how
much it costs to employ someone, right, and so so
many small business owners end up doing everything themselves because
to have a full time team of employees with fair
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wages and benefits is very expensive, you know, And so
scale also has so much to do with like the
size of an like with the operation and how many
people are involved, and like how everything stays afloat, And
I feel like businesses like this, like like these girl
boss businesses. I think Nasty Gal was one of them, right,
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that was like their CEO was being hailed at the time.
But the bigger and bigger and bigger it gets, it's
like Yeah, well, now we really need to look at
costs over people. And I don't know what the answer is, right,
you know, because either you keep it like small and
family owned and people are treated like family, or it's
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huge in corporate. What is the in between?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Oh man?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Because even those small businesses where it's like we're family here,
I mean, then there's also so much exploiting that can
happen under that guy's a family, right, because you would
do it for your family member, right, Like it's that
type of positioning of like we're here to support each
other because we're a family. Yes, but then there's still
like exploiting that can happen there.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It happens in the nonprofit industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
That is a whole episode within itself.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Mission driven do it for the mission, do it for
the cause. But no, this is a job. We all
have bills to pay. We each have had our own
experiences in that realm. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's I
think nothing is nothing is true ethical under capitalism, and
it's not like an excuse, it's just an unfortunate reality. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
It it requires like an entire paradigm shift, yes, you know,
an entire restructuring or takedown of everything that we know
for something new to be created, there are That is
not to say though that we shouldn't try right, or
that we shouldn't that business owners or CEOs or folks
leading an organization like shouldn't try to be better or
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enact good within their company, but acknowledging still that there
are under capitalism, the.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Pressure is like growth.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And money and that that is what will always like
win under the system.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah. And you know, we're thinking about a United States
context where we're discussing like latinas and positions of power.
But then if we go to Latin America, where in
theory everyone in a position of power is a Latin American,
there's still exploitation. Absolutely, It's not like the demographics change
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necessarily the unfair dynamics or the possibility of exploitation. So
I don't know, it's like you said, a paradigm shift
needs to take place.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, and I think, yeah, I think what this
listener also wants is and what can also lead to
change is like acknowledging that this happens right within our
community or even like within like letting out businesses and
CEOs that this happens and there is like an entire
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like unlearning that we have to do that scarcity mindset
can lead us to then maybe be exploitative or harmful
in our work practices.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And it makes me think.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Too about how like so much so many businesses have
been impacted by all the federal funds that have been
cut or contracts have been lost, right, and how that
is also contributing to some type of shift within businesses
who have had to downsize and have had to you know,
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do things differently because of lack of funding.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And then how that then contributes to this.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Type of cycle of harm within within a workplace, even
like for marginalized communities.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, there's not enough for us specifically, so I have
to hoard or gatekeep. I think also it's like as
Latina's and creating businesses that are like Latina specific. If
and when we are creating things that are specifically like
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Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then like
putting ourselves into a funnel and do we then sort
of create like the post stability for limitations for ourselves,
knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
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what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
Latin ATM you know, does it do us some sort
of a disservice down the road, because are we like
too niche? You know? And then does that then kind
of make us feel like there's only ten opportunities for
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Latino specific things, but there's forty of us, you know,
and so we are competing for the same ten spots.
And is that like a real limitation or is it imagined?
Is there more out there that maybe we don't necessarily
consider for us, Like do we sometimes limit ourselves as
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far as like our possibilities and what we're reaching for,
you know? And is there a way for us to
like expand our thinking so that we think about like
possibilities actually being limitless and the opportunities being abundant rather
than that crabs in a bucket. There's only so much,
you know. So I don't know. I think like we
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on the show are like also trying to find like
those spaces and those opportunities outside of the norm. And
it's hard, you know. I think it's like a lot
of searching and like instead of like fighting over one thing,
like we have to go out and look for other things.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, right, or create your own opportunities whatever that may
look like right, there's no like that. I think that's
one of the challenging things for us is that there's
no blueprint because ask any other like podcast production company,
multimedia production company, they all have had a different path.
They've all done it so differently, each one of them,
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and we've done things differently, right, And so I think
when you are creating your own life or creating your
own blueprint as you go, there's so much. You learn
so much while you're doing it. You know then, and
you learn from that and continue to grow from that.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much for this question or
this statement, this reflection. I think beautifully written, and it's
something that a lot of our listeners are probably dealing
with and experiencing in their own world. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I really appreciate the vulnerability in this email and you
willing to share your experience with us. Before we sign off,
I also want to address something that she said in
the email, which was Latina Power.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Oh, and we have.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Not talked about that. We've talked about it, but we
have not talked about it on the show. Something recently
that happened at a congressional hearing with Latina Power like
making national news.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
What is Latina Power?
Speaker 2 (51:52):
What is Latina Power?
Speaker 3 (51:54):
So I want us to briefly discuss this because it.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Feels and it was like a cultural zeitguy's moment.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this happens every like ten years. It
feels like, but remember when Justice Sotomayor was sworn in
and they asked her like, what is a why is Latina?
And that was its own like Zeitgei's making moment and
we're back. We are so back. What is Latina Power? Yes?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Okay, So for those not familiar, there is this brand.
They're on Instagram, it's at shop j ZD and we
have been following them for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
They've been creating merch.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
They have their own brand since for about ten years,
so about the same time we started. And what's great
about this brand in particular is that they're a married couple,
they're queer, and so they make just a lot of
really beautiful merch for the community but also you know,
for queer folks within the community and abroad or more
(53:00):
broadly speaking, And they were one of the first brands,
the first Latina brands to be included in a Target
Pride collection and then Target received all that pushback, all
that flak from like conservatives about even having a pride capsule,
and they were on the receiving end of that.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Here they are again. So much love to them.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
They have faced so much public scrutiny that's so undeserving,
and here they are again. Because a couple of weeks ago,
Representative Brandon Gill was holding up pictures of their merch
that is at the Smithsonian gift shop. It's been there
four years and it's a hat that says Latina Power,
(53:45):
and he was questioning the director of the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
As to what is that.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
He also referred to the merch as paraphernalia, which of
course has a very negative connotation. You know, paraphernalia is
like illicit us. Yes, no, it has that connotation of
something that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
You do bad things with it.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
You do bad things with paraphernalia.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
So he called their merch their Latino Power merch paraphernalia.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Wow, and it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
So dangerous, and you know, they were shocked and they
took it in stride. They posted about it. It felt
like a digital community of Latina's like rallied behind them
and we're showing like, well, Latina Power looks like and
it's all the things that we know were.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Possible we're capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, and I just.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Wanted us to briefly talk about that and acknowledge that
that happened, because.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
What Yeah, so this is amazing because it's like Latina
power could be this like speaking truth to power and
representation and like making waves even at the congression level.
But then Latina power could be used like in these
(55:03):
negative ways like our listener wrote in about and it's
Latina's have power. How are we wielding our power?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
It also reminds me of the episode that we did
several seasons ago about the Chingona Industrial Complex.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh yes, oh yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
And so we talked about the concept of a Chingona
and how that's been very much embraced by the by
our community, by certain members of the community, and we
used like Neri Martinez. We're a council member Neri Martinez,
who was a champion of like the chinonas.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
A self identified Chingona.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
And how you know she was using her position of
power to disenfranchise black voters and black power in Los Angeles.
And so that is an example of using Latino power
for harm.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, no, very true. I mean that's the question I
think always at the core is you fight for power,
what do you do with it? Whether we're talking about
Caesar Traves and the way that he used his power
to abuse women and girls in the movement, or you're
talking about like a LATINX politician who is using their
position of power to disenfranchise or a Latina CEO who
(56:20):
is using her position of power to exploit. When you
fight for the power, and then what do you do
once you have it? And that's really like the ultimate question.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, Yeah, And then I think we have this like
very benevolent example of this brand who makes merch to
empower their community and have a Latina power line and
then are on the receiving end of vitriol and questioning
by a representative.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Of the US government.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
You know, it's just so striking, these two ends of
the spectrum that we see.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
But it also is so interesting because you might think like, oh,
I'm making my art to my Latina art, you know,
and it's for my folks and it's for my community,
and then you don't know who's going to see it
and what they're going to do with it when they
see it, and how they respond. Yeah, And that's also
very striking.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean, and it's you know, zooming out.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
It is.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
It just shows us what elected officials in the US are,
what they're doing to our like cultural institutions, how they're
scrutinizing the exhibits that they have, the merch that they have,
because the Smithsonian is a national institution, which I think,
(57:42):
you know, is also another example of like wait where
did they do that again?
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Like, oh, fascist did that?
Speaker 3 (57:49):
In fascist countries, they're doing that, we're doing that, And
so it's also like zooming out like yes, it went viral, like.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
Within our community.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yes, we were talking about Latino power, and a lot
of us were you know, like tongue in cheek, you know,
making comments, but like zooming out like.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh, this is actually really serious.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
You know that there's so much scrutiny of the our
cultural institutions and how under threat they are.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
The policing and it even goes back to like what
we've talked about in the past few episodes, like the
zoot suit riots and servicemen attacking and stripping the zoot
suitors of their zootsuits and you know, fashion as a
political statement and wearing your culture as an act of
Resistance and it's like all it's all related, and which
(58:40):
is why we talk about it on the show. And
then it makes it into a congressional hearing and that's wild.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Well, all that to say, keep making your art, keep
making keep making it. It might end up at beasts,
it might end up at a congressional hearing.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
You know, it might stay within your community.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
You know, we don't know where our art will travel, too,
and that's one of the powerful things about art.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
So yeah, keep making it.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Keep making your art, and keep listening to look at
Thought Radio.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
We will catch you next time.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Besit us Loclumnia
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