Lots to Say: Conference Championship Preview and Boston Globe's Ben Volin

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots, we got lots to save.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
What Becker here and we hope you say because we
got lost, just say, yeah, we got lots to say.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that everybody welcome to the show. Hey, no
sprinter van today, go spring Brand today. No, I brought
the escalade, you know, I just wanted to mix it
up a little bit. That van is so large? Is
that hard to drive? Not at all. I told you
it's the easiest car to drive that we have.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
But to park it's you have many kids? Yeah, and
the van that you drive it is a monster. It
is what artists will use before they get a bus.
Here in Nashville, they're touring. Like, to go from a
van to a sprinter van is a big deal because
there's actually a room to do stuff and you don't
need a CDL to drive it. Do you guys go
on family trips that think?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yes, if we have like a longer say it's a
four or five hour trip or something like that, that's
about as far as I'm driving, by the way these days,
drive it. But I'll drive it. It's so easy to drive.
It's easier to park than actually my truck. I got
a dodgdraam. It's so much easier to park. Would you
let your oldest kid drive the family in the sprinter van?
She's fifteen, so now she has sixteen yeah? Right yet

(01:28):
not yet? Yeah, she's got our learners permit. There's nothing
scarer than the first time they get their learners permit
and they want to drive on the roads and they
really don't know how to drive because they haven't been
practicing obviously. And you get on one of these two
lane roads and they're going thirty two miles an hour
when it's a forty zone and you got four cars

(01:48):
behind you, and you're like, just honey, just stay the course,
just stay the course. But there is an acceleration right there.
It's it's kind of it's a little scary because you're
dealing with yielding and all these things that you take
for granted when you drive for all the time, right,
But then when you're a passenger and your daughter's driving,
you're going who it's pretty it's a little different, a
little scary.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Are you teaching her how to drive a standard at all?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
How to drive.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
What the old standard, the old stick shift.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, no chance, no chance that works.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Is that not a thing anymore?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's not a thing when we grew up, I think
it was a thing I had, Like my mom had
this VW bug that we had to do the full
stick shift, you know, clutch and you're stalling out at
every different stop sign. So it was kind of your
right of passage. I felt like when you start driving,
if you could get into a stick shift and kind
of become effishent at it, you felt like you're doing something. Nowadays,

(02:38):
I don't know the last time I even saw a
stick shift.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have any kids yet. I
learned to drive on a stick My stepdad taught me.
But I was driving at thirteen because we would be
in the woods and he would need to be let
off here because we would be, you know, running dogs. Yeah,
you're hunting, and so he'd be like, drop me here.
I cut the dogs off, and then I would be twelve,
thirteen years old driving in the woods.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Sick. That's awesome. Well, he just taught me for his
own good, right, But at the same time you're driving
it thirteen years.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Old, I was thirteen fourteen, and I drove a lot
and all I drove was a stick. And so by
the time we got to permit a fourteen in Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Oh, fourteen was the that was the driving age.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And so from fourteen on you could drive with someone in.
But my town was so small you didn't even have
to have someone in it.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Really.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean I bought an old like a eighty
six Subaru for like fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it did
not have uh, you know, the stick, so it felt
like it was the easiest thing in the world to drive.
I guess I didn't think that there were no sticks left.
I mean I haven't seen one in a long period
of time. You guys sticks anywhere else? Never know, they
don't make they don't make.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Even make them. I bet you they doing like those
luxury cars, like you know, like the Porsche and stuff,
right if you want one, But yeah, if you want to,
I know you got something nice. Do you even know what?
I have no idea?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay, maybe no, I've never driven to Maybe I can. No,
you're the ex pro athlete. You're the one thing I'm
not a car guy.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Though I'm not a car guy. You never bought a
big fancy car. No. No, I did have a dealer
car with Audi, one of those is it a eight
or whatever. That was my fanciest car that I've ever owned.
It was a nice car. And I don't even know
if that's considered like a sports car or anything like that.
I've never had anything like that. I'm not a car guy.
You're not. I know nothing about cars.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah you had n Now, yeah, I've had some nice
cars the last few years. When I was a just
a young lad, my dream was to get a Bentley.
And so I asked my business manager when I first
started to have some success, I said, can I buy
a Bentley? She said, I'll get you a Bentley. And
she bought me a remote control Bentley and she said,
I still have it. It's like right, it's literally right there.

(04:53):
And she goes, You're not ready for the Bentley yet,
and I said okay. And then like three years ago,
I bought a Bentley maybe less than that. Hell yeah,
I bought it. And it was large. Did it live
up to all the expectations of that thing?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Ever? Does? Really?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was amazing, but it was so large I felt
like I was driving a dead body in the back
like I'm in a procession driving a car and I
don't see well anyway, And so I was hitting a
lot of potholes just and here where we live, just here,
there's bottles everywhere now and so I popped like two
tires and my wife said, you gotta get sub see

(05:32):
you sit a little taller so you can see. And
I have a dealer. I have a Hunday through their partner,
and they're awesome. That's an awesome car because it's fully electric.
But I don't want to put a bunch of miles
on it because I don't want to be like, why
are you driving the crap out of our car that
we're giving you for free? So I keep that up
the whole point. Yeah, but I want to turn it
back in with one hundred thousand miles on it because
I never want them to go, ah, we don't want

(05:54):
to be your partner anymore. You're taking I don't know.
It just feels weird. It's not mine, but I have it.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Can I borrow it? Yes? I had a lot of
driving going on. My miles are way up on all
my cars. But the Honday that I have an Ionic
nine huh, fully electric.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It is technically technologically the best car I've ever had, really,
So I have that that's electric, and then I have
a Lamborghini US is what I drive normal like otherwise
that's the.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Suv I have.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
That's the suv, the Lamborghini suv. But that one, it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Doesn't look like anything crazy. That's why I like it.
I don't think so. Do you think it looks crazy?
How you do think that is awesome? Other other than
the stamp With the Lamborghini, it's like muted. Does the
doors come up, No, but it's loud. Does it get
a little yellowkay? It doesn't mean anything. I was never
going to get that. I had that car and my

(06:46):
wife said, you can't. You're hit too many potholes. And
I'm okay. She goes, let's go look at another car.
So I want to look at some SUV's. It was
pouring down rain. This sick sounds so stupid. The only
place that was open was the Lamborghini dealership, and so
we drove up to it because it was right beside
all these dealerships, and I went in.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I was gonna buy a car. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't want to look flashy.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Right, but you see you just walk into the most
random dealership, the only one that just happens to be open.
If it was a Nissan dealership, would have you walked in?
There wasn't a Nissan dealership right there. But I'm saying
if that was the only one open.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, because we went in like six places. Oh you did, Yeah,
we wanted to. It was the only one open that
we hadn't been to. Okay, the last one it was rainy.
We wanted to go inside. And so I walked around
and there's a suv and and I got in it,
and I was like, this is pretty cool. I didn't
wantly love the color though. What color we It's a blue?
Oh you look good and blue.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't like blue. Bring out your eyes.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I've been thinking about getting what do you call me?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Rap rap?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I was surprised you got that color. They only make
like five colors. Anyway, I want people felt sorry for
me my Lamborghini. I want sorry for I feel sorry
for you too. And the fact that.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's it's blue. Are you kidding me? Now? Yeah? So
it's a good car though, it's a great car. Great car.
So they convinced you just when you walked in. Didn't
like the color to right.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Then they didn't convince me of anything. I think in
those stores because I asked a lot of people come
in and just asked to drive stuff, and he's like, yeah,
we don't let them.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I wouldn't either.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
He goes, everybody wants to come in and like get
in a Lamborghini. I don't know anything about cars.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I I don't want to wreck somebody's car that I
don't own. For some reason, I want to put a
munch of miles in a car that I don't own.
And so I was like, that's interesting. He said, yeah,
people come in. I said, do they come in and
how do you know they haven't enough money to buy it?
He goes, the people that come in that look like
they have money never have money. The people that come
in and they're just like chilling that they're the ones
you know are on a show, not a facade. I

(08:45):
was in in a cutoff and like a pair of
old Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Short They must have thought I had to like elon money,
like this guy is going to buy a car to
it's a great car though, great car, Yeah, it's it's
it's good, it's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I had to to uh, I took it in because
I had a tail light busted or like a broken
tail light, and this dealership said, hey, you have a
nail in both through your back tie. It wasn't the dealership,
it was the place that I take it. I don't
think I had an in both of my back tires.
And if I did, why didn't they add buy two
new back tires. I think they Yeah, well I had

(09:17):
my truck kept turning off while I was driving it. Yeah,
if that's real, you're almost dying. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, Like my wife had told me a few times.
I was like, Okay, it hasn't happened to me, And
then it happened to me twice. I was like, okay,
I'm sorry, honey, I put you at risk. Send it in.
And then of course they send over the bill the
other day of what needs to be done on the car,
and they had a list of about six things. I
took it in for the one pen it was a
connector issue, whatever it is. And I'm starting to look

(09:44):
at this list of the five other items that the
transfer fluids, this, that, and the other. I had just
done this last year. So I went back, thankfully enough,
wherewithal the go back look at the last time I
took it in, I did every one of those things.
So I called the guy. I'm like, I might be
messed up here, but I had this all done last year.
I just need you to fix the pen. He's like, Oh,

(10:06):
it's just might have been an overlook on it, of course. Yeah.
And if I didn't check that, I would have paid
an extra twenty five hundred dollars to get something done
that I just had done last year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
People have to know, good man. People are upted.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Maybe it was a mistake they were coming after me, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Conspiracy theory. People have to know. Good Okay, I want
to lead with this conspiracy theory. The Bownecks didn't get
hurt during the game.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Uh, he played the whole game though.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, let's just say maybe in the locker room, maybe
they'll celebrate and fell down.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Heard his ankle. You guys heard that. Conspiracy theory. That's
pretty good. Yeah, that would have had to happen pretty
soon there. That's why I shot Peyton came out. Yeah,
he just was jumping up in the locker Room'm just
gonna tell me he broke his ankle. Do you think
that's it? Do I really think it. No, But when
the game was over he walked off the field. He did.
He was wincing a little bit on the sideline. But
even the play, when you watch the actual play of
him going down on the play that they suggest that

(10:57):
he got hurt of it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
They suggest, Yeah, they don't even.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Really, they don't even really know it. The triner didn't
even come out and he threw a sick ball down
the field for a passer for us.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right after that, and when they were in real time
talking about what had happened, it wasn't an ankle, it
was a knee or something. They were like, something's wrong
with his knee. I don't know, man, I think possibly
they're doing that stuff you guys do in the shower
after a game. I'm then going to ask he slipped
in the shower.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Come on, boys, don't feed out broken ankle. Oh, we'll
just tell people you broke your ankle. Already, we're moving on.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
How much did that have to suck for?

Speaker 4 (11:30):
It sucked?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Just have to say it then, but then have to
live it now, Like here you are AFC Championship and
you didn't every quarterback.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, you know what? I think that he ended all
the speculation on his team because I think he wanted
to get ahead of it and said, look, I'm just
going to come out and say it. Probably address it
with the team whenever he got an opportunity to, but
to have them realize, absorb the information, realize Bonnix is
not going to be there. But we've got to continue
to move forward and put that to rest and get
focused on the week without all the distraction of you know,

(11:59):
some of these teams a lot of times won't put
out the injury report or yeah, or they'll have him
limited or something like that, and then it's a game
time decision and then all of a sudden, but the
whole team knows. Instead, hey, let's rally around Jared Stidham.
Let's get him going this week. Have everybody on the
same page, not pouting for ourselves for feeling bad. We're
in the AFC Championship game, and we've got an opportunity

(12:20):
to go to Super Bowl. So I believe it was
the right call for him and the team, because it
can be more of a distraction if you let it,
let it linger on, especially in the media, because that's
all they're going to be asking about.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So you took over for a quarterback mid game, early game,
early game, first game of season, So with that, this
is different in that way, but he is having to
come in and take over for a quarterback. How much
leadership can you actually take when you are coming in
for the guy because you're not the guy, you're filling
in for the guy. You're kind of the guy, but
especially at first, you're not the guy. How much leadership

(12:55):
can you take.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, you've got to be a natural leader when you
get on the field as a quarterback, because you've got
to be able to get in and out of huddle,
you've got to have command, you've got to be able
to go in and show the guy that you're going
to have accountability. Part of that is he's a backup quarterback,
so they see him a lot. There's probably a lot
of interaction. He's throwing routes on air, he's probably not
getting a ton of reps in practice, but he's running
scout team doing all those things. So it's just a

(13:18):
position of leadership that you're in. But in order to
truly be in a position of leadership or for the
guys to see you, you got to go out there
and perform and that starts with going out there this
throughout the course of this week, what practice looks like.
And then as you get into the game at the
end of the day, all these guys care about is winning,
and so you're going to have to go out and
execute the game plan and hopefully not be a guy

(13:41):
that goes out and turns over the ball makes a
bunch of mistakes because that limits you on what you
can do.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
When you talk about not getting reps of practice, let's
say the starting quarterback just needs some water for five minutes.
Can you hop in and like sneak some reps?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Sneak some reps. So you're saying that the starting quarterback
of your team goes and says, hey, I'm a little thirsty, coach,
I'm going to take off a few plays real quick,
let's put him in. That usually doesn't work because you
have an offensive period and you have a defensive period,
and the offensive period the scout team is giving you
a look of what you might see from the opposition
that week, so you know that your period's coming up here.

(14:32):
It's very regimented in practice, right. You go from individual
drills to routes on air to usually a nine on seven,
seven on seven. Then you get into team period, so
you know the sequence of what it's going to look like.
So if you're wanting water as a quarterback or something
like that, I know, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
You got to run a pee and it's only three minutes.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
And pee on yourself. Let's get it going.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
But like, would that be a time where a player
would hop in or do you just wait till the
starter gets back?

Speaker 4 (14:59):
No, Well, if it was going to disrupt practice, you're
going to keep going practice for sure. Like say you
got a bump or you hit a helmet or something
like that, I get checked out. Second string quarterbacks are
going to come in. But if you're saying there's ten
twelve reps in a period, a backup, usually depending on
the time of the year, might not get any of
those reps. You're only twelve reps like say a seven
on seven period, because once again you're limited in numbers,

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so you're not gonna have your guys go out there
and run themselves to death. So say there's a seven,
seven on seven period for first and second down or
third down. The next day, you're gonna get about probably
twelve reps and those are going to be if you're
working red zone, it's going to be the ten to
twenty area. Then you're gonna work down into that ten
to goal line area, and you might have a few
at the five yard line, right, So you're trying to

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get all those reps because that's the only time you're
going to get those passes unless you're in a team period.
So you're trying to take all those reps because every
facet of the game plan, whether it's first and second down,
red zone, third down, you only get the limited amountain practice,
and you want those reps as a backup.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Can you gather everybody that would make it possible and
practice after practice, So like.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
The practice squad players and stuff like that. A lot
of times, if you want extra reps, and I used
to do this all the time, is get some of
these guys that maybe there were more of a special
teams player, didn't get a ton of reps in practice
or practice squad guys, and run through some route concepts
that we saw that maybe I didn't get a rep of.
I was there mentally checked in all that stuff, but
I just want to throw that route pattern and see

(16:22):
it myself. So yeah, you definitely have the opportunity to
do that. All Right, I defer to you it's crazy
to think about the Bill situation because Sean McDermott, I think,
is a really good coach and they're always on the cuss.
They haven't been able to devastating loss that they had.
I get it. But when you look at the candidates
out there, you sit here and for this job, I mean,

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your expectation now if he's getting fired after Sean McDermott
won what five straight AFC's championships other than this year
and go to the playoffs? Who you're bringing in that
is going to take advantage of Josh Allen in his prime?
And you know, I think about the candidates and there's
not a ton that you're looking at just that jump
off the page that you maybe Brian Daball I would

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believe would be a candidate that has experienced in Buffalo,
had success as a coordinator there, has head coaching experience,
and somebody that I think Josh Allen has a good
relationship with. So if they want to look opposite of
what they did from a defensive minded head coach and
go with an offensive coordinator, I would have to believe
that Brian Dables at the top of your list.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Do you consider the Giants so to be a franchise
that it's the giants fault, not the coach's fault, not to.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
The extent of when when you look at it like
you would the Jets.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
For instance, right or the Panthers.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Because the Giants have had a history of success, right,
and they have won Super Bowls in the past. I
don't think that they're with the same amount of dysfunction
as some of these other organizations because.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Dable didn't succeed there and you're bringing a guy in
didn't succeed. Yeah, I mean, obviously it was the offensive
coordinator for Josh Allen. We assume they had a good relationship.
But you're bringing a guy that did not succeed into
it's now the window you have to succeed this Josh
Allen wind do you have them for a while? You
signed up, right, so you have long term, but long
term is not ten years?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So I like Dable, but I'm wondering if some of
that shine is gone because he went to a franchise
we had a chance to win and didn't win.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Right, Well, he went to a franchise that had a
chance to win. But when he first got there, they
were terrible and they went to the playoffs their first
year with Daniel Jones, the healthy Daniel Jones, and that
went into signing Daniel Jones back on a bigger contract.
But then I believe he got hurt the next year
and then the year last year. But prior to this

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one they traded Daniel Jones away had disarray at the
quarterback position. This year, it felt like they were going
to be moving in the right direction, but you still
have Jackson Dart as a young quarterback. You lose mylak
neighbors early, you lose Scataboo. You have all these elements
that play in to being a factor of why you're
not successful continuously. And then I think that upper level

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management got You know, Brian Daball is a tough personality,
right when I say that, like, you know what, I
know him well. He was with me for four years
in New England.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Would tell me, would you want to hire him be
a head coach for you?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
I would, I mean because I was with him when
he was a wide receivers coach. He also was my
offensive coordinator and he's a brilliant offensive mind, brilliant offensive mind.
So he's going to put you in a position to
be successful. And like I said, he he knows Buffalo.
He grew up in Buffalo. He's got a passion for Buffalo.
I think that he would be a really good hire

(19:32):
for Josh Allen because he understands what this offense needs
to do to be successful. They've got pieces with James
Cook as well a good offensive line. They need to
add weapons on the outside and that's been one of
their biggest issues that they've had.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
So you would hire Brian Dable as a head coach
to the Buffalo Bills, let's go.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah. I would.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, that's a question. I'm not saying you are hiring him, No, not.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I would. You would risk it, risk it all. I mean,
I just don't think that there's a ton of candidates
that you're getting super excited about from an offensive standpoint
to come in and do you want a young coordinator
coming in taking over for his first time head coaching
job win all the pressures on you to win. Now,
Like I said, when you go out and fire a coach,

(20:13):
it's been as successful as Sean mcdertt. Now they haven't
won the big game. I get it. It's tough to do.
But at the end of the day, he's been wildly
successful if you look at his tenure with the Buffalo Bills,
and now you're saying you want a young coach to
take over this program, and that's where your starting point is.
It's be tough.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
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We got two games. It's championship weekend. Patriots a Broncos.

(20:50):
You two guys are Patriots the lovers. I like the
way you say that you love Patriots.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
The lovers.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't even know what to ask here, because the
Broncos are a big time underdog. They're like five and
a half points is what I last saw, almost a
full touchdown at home at home with that defense. How
confident are you?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Don't do that confidence like you don't want to jink yourself.
Let's just talk real here. How confident are you that
the Patriots can go take care of business.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Kevin, on a scale of let's say one to ten,
ten being most confident, most confident six and a half,
you are lying sixty five six and a half. Why
you think you think it's more? I think if it
was at home, I'd be eight eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think you're still lying about that. I think you're
probably at least at a seven seven and a half.
I was that a six last week against Texans.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
You were at home. I was at home. You're at
home or Patriot. I was also at home watching the game.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
He just doesn't want to jinx it.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
See.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I can't even talk with him. He doesn't want to
jinx it.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I know. I think he's one of those reverse psychology.
If I say something, I don't want to jinx it
this guy. What do you think I'm a seven? I'm
a seven. I do believe this game. When you look
at the defense for Denver, obviously they're one of the
top two defenses. Is in the lead. But you saw
what Houston did last week. They created three turnovers, trick

(22:10):
May through an interception, strip sacked twice. He had two
other balls on the ground.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So much snow, though it was so much factor like
cold wet.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I mean, if it's slick and wet, yes, one hundred percent,
but a lot of those happened within the pocket, right
They just got beat and so that is going to
be I think the biggest factor in this game is
one not turning over the ball. Obviously either side. It
seems very elementary to say that, but they've had some
turnover issues in those first two games. They've got to

(22:40):
take care of the football and they've got to be
able to handle the pass rush because vanc Jotsof, who's
the coordinator there for Denver, He's a beast and he's
gonna throw a bunch of different stuff out at you.
He's gonna muddy your looks, he's gonna blitch you. He's
going to try to put pressure on you. And you
can't afford to turn over the ball, especially because you're
playing in a stadium like that in Denver.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you think they're gonna try to Sam Darnold's did them.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
I think to a certain point, because they need to
get the run game going. They've got a good offensive line,
they've got a good run game that sets everything up
in that offensive structure with Sean Payton the way that
he does it, it's the stretch zone outside inside, but
then off of that, it's the boots and the movement.
And that's a great way to get a young quarterback
that hasn't played a lot. Now he's not young, but
he hasn't played a lot of football to get him

(23:22):
in a rhythm early. And so I think that you're
going to see a lot of that and they're hopefully
going to take a lot of pressure off of them
with the run game to set up some shots down
the field. Yeah, I think the Patriots win this one
going away. You think they cover that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Really probably late, but yeah, yeah, yeah, See if it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
If it wasn't for Sean Payton at the head coach,
I'd feel a little better. There's a few like a
Sean Payton, like an Amy Reid or something, but if
it was I don't know. The Mico Ryan's again offense
to him. He's done a great job, but he's not
Sean Payton. That's what I think makes me a little nervous.
He also loves it. I'm like, that's the first guy signed.
I think whenever he liked him, he wanted to keep
him there. He could have gone to other places, he
wanted to keep him there.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
But I think the other factor is you look at
Sean Payton. You go back to the Saints when Breeze
got banged up and Teddy Bridgewater went in there. He
won five straight games I think it was when he
was with the Saints. So he's dealt with backup quarterbacks
before that have come in and been successful, and he
knows he probably knows the strength and weaknesses. This isn't
a kid that they just picked up this year and
he's a rookie. They don't have any idea what they're

(24:22):
dealing with. He's been there since what two thousand and
a few years now, Yeah, a few years, so he
knows the system. He's probably comfortable in it and understands
the general philosophy.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Am I crazy to think that both offenses are going
to be so conservative as to not make mistakes because
they think one Denver has to be conservative with Cindema, right,
Drake May and Josh McDaniels, they're going to be conservative
because why would they not if the offense isn't scoring
a bunch of points On the other side, Like I
feel like both offenses aren't going to take big risks,
because why would you, Especially in the first half of

(24:54):
the game. I feel like that's two boxers just coming
out just seeing what the other person is going to do,
wait the counter.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
And I think that's the exact philosophy that a lot
of these offensive coordinators. When you're going in against a
defense like the Denver Broncos, you're coming out early on
and you're testing the waters. You're showing them different formations.
How are they lining up, are they traveling with that
slot receiver, are they playing more man? Are they blitzing
us and trying to get a beat on kind of
how the game's going to go. And then as you
get to that through those first few series, you start

(25:23):
to see, Okay, this is what they're doing to this formation,
let's counter with this. So it's it's that punch counter
punch type deal, and that happens, and then as you
get into the second half, you start to really understand, Okay,
this is what they're trying to do to us. They're
blitzing us heavy on first and second down with run
defensive blitzes. So let's throw the ball, let's go to
use our quick game do something like that. So it's

(25:44):
always that chess match, but it's particularly against a really
good defense that you don't want to get those edge
rushers going and get into big third and long situations.
You're trying to stay on track, run the ball, and
do what you can to limit those guys.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I would even say it's different than if you were
playing against the Josh Allen against the Mahomes, against a Burrow,
against Lamar Jackson, because you know they're going to score points.
Ought to go out and score points. I don't know
who you have to score that many points, right, I
think you just have to score some, and you play
conservative so you don't allow them to score a whole
bunch anyway.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I like I like it. No, it's true. That's exactly
how you I take it.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
To figure it out there the head coach in GM
right here, Yeah, yeah, bring me in.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Rams at Seahawks. The Seahawks are two and a half
point favorite. I'm surprised as of right now it's only
a two and a half point spread.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm picking the Rams.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I think the Rams had I think the Bears almost
had there. Yep, the Lord has anointed them all champions
of the World last week, yeah, and and and eight
times this year.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
The hail Mary at the end of the game. Are
you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
They didn't win with all of that. I think it's
the Ram. I'm just going to sign from above. I'm
taking the Rams, not even I don't need any points.
I'm just taking the Rams straight out, all right. The
best quarterback on the field when it's close is often
who I lean with, Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Matthew quarterback is the best quarterback on the field, and
that's quarterback left. And you know what, I think, I'm
going to go with the Rams as well, because they
split this year, right, but the split the second game,
they're winning thirty to fourteen, go in the fourth quarter,
thirty to fourteen. They blew it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Insane game.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah, it was an insane game. Seattle had to
have everything go right for them. They had the return,
they had that little what was it a two point
conversion or whatever that was like a fumble into the
end zone.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Picked it up, Yeah, they picked it up, and how's this?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Oh perfect, that's crazy. It was crazy. And then they
won thirty eight to thirty seven. But then you also
look at the first game and you go well, Sam
donald threw four picks. They won twenty one to nineteen.
They won by two points in the two games that
they played against each other, Sam Donald's throwed six picks,

(27:56):
So that that right, there is an area for concern.
And I just think that the Rams I'm going to
go with, Like you said, I'm gonna go with Stafford
Puka Nakua, who two hundred and twenty five yards receiving.
When they didn't have Adams last time, they knew that
he was going to get the ball. He cut the
ball for two hundred and twenty five yards. I don't
think they're intimidated.

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Speaker 1 (29:20):
All right, let's get on senior NFL rider at the
Boston Globe, Ben. Hey, Ben, it's Bolan, right, it's said Bolan.
Just want to make sure I get it right. I've
only have a read your stuff. I've never heard your name.
That's always what I was taught like. Okay, good. Here
as senior NFL rider at the Boston Globe, Ben Volan.
Ben's covered the NFL since two thousand and seven. He

(29:41):
joined the Globe in twenty thirteen after covering the Dolphins
and the Gators for years. He is as connected to
anyone when it comes to ending Patriots, which is perfect
for this show. And especially you know, just the NFL
in general. You can follow on Twitter at Ben Volan.
Big thanks to Ben for coming on.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Ben.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
What are you working on right now? Like this second?
What are you working on?

Speaker 5 (30:01):
My travel plans?

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Because first thing in the morning, I'm hopping on a
plane and go to Denver. I'm gonna be reporting behind
enemy lines this week. We've got a lot of reporters
here in Boston for the Globe to cover the Patriots,
but I'm gonna go out to Denver and get the
scoop on the Jared Stidham situation and talk to Sean.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Payton and everyone involved there.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
And my plan also is to go out and talk
to all the bartenders and waiters and whoever you know,
all the Broncos fans and get their temperature of how
they feel about the turn of events here at quarterback
and everything. So looking forward to getting out to Mile
High and having a.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Good week in Denver.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Ben, when you heard Mike Vrabel was coming in to
be the new head coach of the New England Patriots
last year, did you ever in a million years think
that this turnaround was gonna happen as quickly as it has?

Speaker 6 (30:51):
One hundred percent. No, I'm not gonna pretend like I
saw this coming. My prediction that I put in the
paper like an ink was eight and nine, and to
me that felt good, like, hey, double the wind total
from last year. A good start for the Patriots. They've
been covered in Unicorn duffs this year. Every move they've

(31:12):
made has turned out well. From you know, Vrabel was
a home run, which I did think that was a
great hire. I thought they should have hired him last year,
frankly when he got fired by the Tech Titans and
the Patriots had an opening.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
So I did think that Rabel would be a home run.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
But Drake may no, I never thought he would take
this many steps forward in his second year to the
point where he's legitimately in the top two for MVP.
I didn't think Josh McDaniel's offense with an entire new
staff who had never worked with him before would work
this well this quickly, when all we heard for years
was how difficult that offense could be, and especially for

(31:47):
wide receivers. I didn't think every free agent move on
defense would work out. From Milton Williams to Robert Splane
to Harold Landry has been great and Carlton Davis has
been solid, and Morgan Moses on the offensive line has
been you know, really solid at right tackle, and just
you know, and then the schedule has been very i
think accommodating. They didn't play many great quarterbacks this year,

(32:10):
and that's kind of holding true in the playoffs as well.
But just everything has fallen into place really really quickly.
And I definitely did not see this.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Coming being so close to the organization. What was the
first or first and first couple of culture shifts that
you saw happen within the organization.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
You know, Rabel has been very intentional about guys getting
to know each other, which I like Matt probably knows
this better than me, but I don't know how much
things were or weren't done under Belichick. But Rabel has
been very intentional about having guys like stand up in
front of the room and tell everyone about his whys
and who he's playing for and what causes are important

(32:52):
to him.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
And I think that's been a great.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Way to build cohesion in a locker room where it's
a lot of new guys this year, a lot of
free agents and rookies. He was also very intentional about
sweeping out the old leadership. They you know, if you
were a captain last year, you had a target on you.
You know, some guys were towards the end of their career,
but others like the long snapper Joe Cardona, he's still

(33:17):
an excellent long snapper. But Vrabel wanted his leaders in there,
and so he turned over the locker room leadership. And
I think that's you know, it's been helpful for them
this year to build their own identity and to really
move forward beyond the Belichick days and into now the
Mike Vrabel days. So you know, he's I just think
he's been very intentional about wanting to build a culture

(33:39):
and be player first. And you see him shaking everyone's
hand going into the locker room. I know he did
that when he was in Tennessee as well. But Rabel's always,
you know, promoting the players and making sure they get
time with their families.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
And they brought back the individual introductions.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Before the pregame. For twenty five years here, they always
were introduced as a team. Now Vrabel's had them being
introduced individually. It's okay to have a little spotlight and
to get a little you know, noticed from the fans.
So those are just some of the things I see
that certainly have been different from the Belichick days and
have helped Vrabel build his own culture very quickly here.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
You know, you hear a lot too with the Patriots
about the wide receiving corps, how they lack maybe that
top tier talent, but who are some of the guys
have really stepped up for this wide receiving corps this year.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
That's been one of the biggest surprises is how well
this offense has been going and how dynamic it's been
with not the same receivers because you know, Stefan Diggs
and Mac Collins are new, but you know, Kaishawn Booty,
all of a sudden, it looks like a.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Pro Bowl kind of player.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
And I mean that one handed catch in the end
zone at the end of the game the other night
was an all timer. So he's been tremendous all year
as an intermediate to deep threat. A guy they picked
up in the sixth round a few years ago, who's
really I think been a home run pick for them.
Tomorrio Douglas has been great, you know, Like I said,
the additions of Stefan Diggs and mccollins have been really big.

(35:04):
Diggs really more of a possession guy over the middle
of the field, but cracked one thousand yards. You know,
was in the lineup every week coming off in acl
last year. Maybe not quite the number one that he
was in Buffalo, but Diggs was a real solid presence
for them. It came up big and you know, showed
those strong hands in that game against the Texans the
other day. And then mac collins he played for McDaniels

(35:26):
before in Vegas, and he's been a real good addition
because his size, I mean, at six foot four, he's tenacious,
he's a beast as a blocker, and so when they
go you know, like thirteen personnel and he's the one
receiver on the field, that's basically like having a fourth
tight end. And so they haven't had him the last
four weeks, but he could return from ir this week
against the Broncos. So mac collins is a blocker, but

(35:47):
really as a receiver as well, he's been a really
good possession receiver. To me, it's just a testament of
McDaniels and his offense. The scheme has been tremendous. And
then Drake May. When you have a great quarterback, he
can make your receivers great. And I think that's what
we're seeing this year.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Can you give me any sort of insight as to
what Drake May's role is in the lockerow room or
how he's grown as a person there.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
I mean, obviously they're looking at him as the leader.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
And when I said they swept out last year's leadership,
you know, last year, Drake May was in a tough spot.
He's the number three pick and everyone's looking at him
as the future. But Jacoby Brissett was elected the captain
and he was the one that the franchise was looking
for to lead them in training camp and early in
the season.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
So both those guys.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Were doing a little bit of an awkward dance last
year about how much would they really be exerting their leadership.
Brissette was, you know, one of the guys who was
not re signed this year, even though you know, I
think he showed in Arizona.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Still has plenty of good football left. But that opened
the door for Drake too.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
And not to mention the trade of Joe Milton as well,
I think that helped Drake May really be able to
spread his wings and establish himself as you're the franchise guy.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Now you're the leader, and you're the one everyone's going
to look up to.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
And for someone who's twenty three, I think he's done
a really good job of establishing his voice, not being
overly demanding, still knowing that there are guys in the
locker room with more experience than him, Henry Milton Williams.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
He's not gonna be barking at them.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
But I think Drake has really shown the right kind
of leadership with you know, demanding attention to detail, with
being one of the hardest workers, saying all the right things,
being accountable. You never have an issue with Drake about
skipping a press conference or anything like that, you know,
for someone who's younger and not doesn't have a ton

(37:28):
of football experience, I think Drake May really started to
establish himself as the leader, you know, in the offseason,
and really as the season has gone along, and obviously
as he's played so well, has really grown already.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Into a great voice for that Patriots locker room.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
You know, Drake May gets a lot of the attention,
obviously and deservedly so, but this defense, particularly in the playoffs,
when you watch him throughout the year. They've been very consistent,
but they've gotten healthier with Milton Williams Christian Barmore's back.
But talk about this defense what they've been able to
accomplish over these first two weeks of the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
Yeah, the health has been so key, Matt. You know,
when they were without Milton Williams for five weeks and
Roberts splaine for four weeks and those are overlapping injuries,
not a coincidence that the run defense kind of fell apart.
That was the game, That was the period when they
were up twenty one nothing on the Bills and Josh
Allen the Bills came back to beat them thirty five
thirty one. So they got Milton Williams back in week

(38:21):
eighteen and Spalayne back for the wild card round, and
I mean, you can see it's night and day, especially
the run defense. I saw a stat where with Spalaane
off the field, the Patriots allow like four point five,
four point six yards per carry, and then with him
on the field, it's like three six, three seven. So
he's just, you know, a tenacious run defender. And you know,
the last two weeks it's helped that. You know, the

(38:43):
Chargers were banged up in the Texans c J.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Stroud. That was just a mess of a performance.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
But the Patriots defense has allowed one touchdown in twenty
five drives.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
In the postseason, which is just phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
You know, they took it to heart last week when
everyone was talking about the Texans defense, the Patriots defense
definitely came to play with those five takeaways.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
And I think it's gonna be some of this this week.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
I mean, obviously a lot of the attention is gonna
be on the Broncos quarterback, but the Broncos have an
awesome defense, led the league in sacks, you.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Know, tremendous pass rush upfront. And you know, the.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Patriots defense is still not the unit that I think
is getting a lot of attention nationally, so they'll look
for any edge they can find to motivate themselves. But
you know, the defense is excellent right now with Milton
Williams and Christian Barmore getting that push up the middle.
Clavon Chason has been a nice fine for them on
the edge. Spallane's been terrific in run defense, and then

(39:37):
I think they have an excellent secondary with Christian Gonzales,
Marcus Joon, the slock corner, who's to me the most
electric player in the NFL. And then we'll see about
Carlton Davis, who actually is dealing with a concussion.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
We don't know if he's going to play this week.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
But all three levels, the Patriots defense has played really well.
And other than Carlton Davis, they're about the healthiest they
could be right now and playing pretty well.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
He just talked about something that I wanted to shut
a little more light into, which is the Texans had
an awesome defense. The Broncos have an awesome defense, probably
the two best in the AFC. What do you think
the Patriots learned last week that they can actually put
into their game plan this week, because again they're playing
such a dominant defense for the second week in a row.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
And you know the key for them is Drake May
and limiting those turnovers. The Patriots have had five giveaways
in these two playoff games. You're not gonna keep winning
like that. Now they have to go on the road
play in Denver. You know, don't just assume that just
you know, just because Jared Stidham is playing that the
Broncos are going to lay down and it's not going
to be a game.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Sean Payton's a heck of a coach.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
He's got eight days to get Jared Stidham prepared and
he's gonna have a good game plan ready. If the
Broncos can, you know, run the ball and avoid those
turnovers and play defense, it's going to be very tough
sledding for the Patriots. So that turnover margin is huge.
The Patriots have to avoid them. Drake May all those
fumbles I think six in the postseason, He's got to
clean that up big time. And the Patriots have to

(40:58):
to keep the pressure on the quarterback. They blitzed the
heck out of CJ. Stroud I think thirty six thirty
eight percent of the time, which was more than what
they did during the season. So I think they've got
to go after Stindham, put the pressure on him to
make the right decisions, and they got to force the
ball out to, you know, to make sure that they
come away with the victory. But I think it really
starts on the offensive side and Drake May being cleaner

(41:19):
with the football.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
And I think Josh McDaniels has to move the pocket
a little bit more. He wasn't doing that. It's on
the other night and Drake May felt like a sitting
duck there.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
For Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter. So I think they've
got to get Drake May on the run a little
bit more and let him use his feet to loosen
up that Broncos defense.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
All right, pivoting a little bit, but was still within
the conference. I think you wrote an article about Sean McDermott.
He didn't feel like he should be fired. Can you
talk about his departure from the Bills and what that
was about.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah, that was a surprise to me. I was just
in the press box on Sunday in New England talking
to someone. How you know of the Bills issued this
year if they lost that you know when they lost
that game. Like, to me, coaching wasn't the issue this year.
It was talent and it was the quarterback who gets
a little sloppy with the football at times. And the Bills.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
You know, they lost the turnover battle five to one
the other day and Josh Allen was a.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Big part of that.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
And to me, they didn't have the right talent around
Josh Allen on offense. I mean they go out and
get Granny Cooks at the end of the season, the
one guy with speed, and they plug him in and
instantly he's their most productive receiver. So I just think
they had a very plotting, slow kind of offense around
Josh Allen. And like I thought in the past, Sean
McDermott deserve to be fired when they kept coming up

(42:29):
short against the Chiefs and with some of his.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Bad situational football. This year, I thought his coaching was fine.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
I thought it was the roster construction and the quarterback
who held the team back at times. I mean, obviously
Josh Allen's incredible. I'm not saying he holds the franchise back,
but in these games where they lost, he was a little.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Sloppy with the football and they didn't score many points.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
And you know, so I guess the owner just wants
to chan, you know, a new change after nine years
and new stadium coming next year. But of all the
years to fire Sean McDermott, to me, this wasn't it.
He wasn't the problem this year.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
I thought it was.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
More on the general manager and the roster construction and
lo and behold the GM with more power out of this.
So I guess the owner disagrees with my assessment. But
I did not think McDermott was the issue this year.
And he's gonna get one of these jobs and he's
gonna be a good culture builder for you know, whichever
team hires him.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
What do you think the threshold was then?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Do you think if they win this, they lose the
NFCY Championship or they lose the Super Bowl? Like, do
you think there was a way for him to keep
his job other than winning just the Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Well, getting there I think probably would have done it.
You know.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
I assume if you're Terry Pagoola, you're looking at it
like this is the one year that Patrick Mahomes wasn't
in our way and we still couldn't get it done.
But again, I don't put that on McDermott. I don't
think he coached the Bills out of wins this year.
I think it was the team was flawed, you know,
like especially on offense. They didn't have the right personnel

(43:50):
around Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
Can't say like what McDermott needed to do. I don't know.
I'm not inside Terry Pegoola's head. I don't know if
getting into an AFC Championship game this week would have
been enough to say McDermott's job. But I don't see
their failures this year as McDermott's problem. So you know,
he has had nine seasons there and obviously had a
very good run, and they didn't have success and so

(44:15):
they did keep coming up short timing again. So I
understand wanting to, you know, change course at head coach,
but this does feel like you're doing it just for
the sake of doing it, and so God speed finding
you know the right guy.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
It worked for the Bucks.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
They got rid of Tony Dungee, John Gruden got them
to the Super Bowl. So maybe the next guy can
take Josh Allen over the top. Maybe it's Brian Dable.
Everyone loves him back there. He's a great quarterbacks coach
for Josh Allen. I think to me that makes a
lot of sense bringing an offensive guy now to work
with Josh Allen. But good luck to the Bills because
I think they did have a pretty good head coach
there in Sean McDermott.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Would you say that the Bill's job then, whoever their
next hire is probably is a job that has the
most pressure on it. To win and now, especially with
that type of standard being set.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
I don't think it's you know, he'll probably get a
little bit of a runway, but Josh Allen's not getting younger,
and I know these quarterback you play for a while now,
but he's turning thirty and so this is your prime,
Josh Allen, and you haven't even been to a super
Bowl yet, So yes, there's gonna be a lot of
it is the best job because who wouldn't want to
coach Josh Allen? And I think you're guaranteed to at

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least be in the divisional round when you take that job.
But no question, is the job with the most pressure
them in the Ravens. I think the Ravens job will
come with some pressure too, because for same reasons you
have Lamar Jackson, a former MVP still in his prime.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
It's amazing these jobs.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
You know, you have the Steelers job on top of it,
three premier jobs open.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
You know at once.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
Is not something I had on my Bengo card this offseason.
But definitely that Bill's job will come with a lot
of pressure, but the type of pressure that I think
a bunch of coaches would gladly sign.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Up for.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Now. We're recording us on Tuesday afternoon, so a million
things can happen between now and when this gets put
out a few hours later. But if you were to
have to assign a coach you mentioned Abil, but judge,
like who else is in the mixing?

Speaker 6 (46:18):
In Buffalo, NFL teams like they always go for the
opposite of what they just had.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
So the Bills, coming from a defensive organization.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
I would think they lean more towards the offensive side,
wanting to get one of these you know, young coordinators
to coach up Josh Allen, And to me, that's that's
a smarter way to go, just because you're ensuring that
you're gonna have continuity on offense. If you have a
defensive coach, that offensive coordinator, if he has any success,
he's gonna get plucked away.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
By another team to be a head coach.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
So I'm a big proponent of the head coach as
also the offensive guy, just to ensure that you're not
gonna or you're gonna have.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
That consistency year after year. And with McDermott and the
Bills lived it.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
They had I think three different offensive coordinators during Allen's tenure, so.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
You know, dable to me makes too much sense.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
He's from there, He's from just over the Canada side
of the border there in Buffalo, and he was he
got the most out of Josh Allen. He's the one
who really turned him around, got his career going, and
his tables beloved there. So to me, that makes a
lot of sense. I know Rex Ryan was pushing for
Bill Belichick to join him there. I don't expect that
to happen, but I guess you never know. With Terry Pagoola,
that would certainly be a home run or an interesting hire,

(47:28):
I guess. But I would just think that the Bills
go offense just to find someone who could really maximize
the prime years of Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
All Right, I got to jump over to the NFC
side talk about this Ram Seattle game. What are your
thoughts going into this game? Obviously it's their third meeting
and both of the first two matchups were close, close games.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Yeah, epic games, and I feel like this one might
be as well. My first thought is that the Seahawks
really have the rest benefit. I think they get an
extra day of rest from the RAM. You know, the
Rams played Sunday night in Chicago. They got to fly
back and then go out to Seattle, which isn't a
long trip, but the Seahawks will be the more arrested team,
especially coming off the buye as well. And man, the

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Seahawks have just been blowing doors off their opponents lately.
Their defense is flying around like you know, the days
of old, and their offense looks really solid as well.
Sam Donald doesn't have to do too much. That's kind
of their their formula. As long as Sam Donald only
has to throw seventeen passes a game, I think that's perfect.
You know that said, I think the Rams are like

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the one team you do not want to see coming
into Seattle if you're the Seahawks, like a division opponent
who's not afraid of you, who's pretty ticked off away
about the way the last game ended with that crazy
overtime game or whatever it was. Stafford's got great experience,
Sean McVay great experience. Like I think it's gonna be
another tight, tight game, you know, two great.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Rivals going at it.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
I view both of those teams as probably the two
stronger teams remaining, and whoever wins, i'd probably expect them
to win the Super Bowl, but that's gonna be a real,
like black and blue kind of game on Sunday, which
the Rams just proved they can win going into Chicago
and winning in the cold there. I think that was
a real important win for the Rams, who struggled, you know,

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in elements and have looked I think a little soft
over the last few years. So that was they come
off a really strong win in Chicago, and now they're
gonna be galvanised going into Seattle. So that's gonna be
a really, really good game. I think I'm I might
take the Rams in an upset just because I like
Stafford over Donald, but that's gonna be a really fun
game on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
He's something else that you just mentioned where you're talking
about coaches coming in and you know you want it
to be an offensive guy, especially if you've got a
quarterback that you're building behind. We live in Nashville. We
just we like I'm on the team. But the Titans
just hired sala as the coach. Defensive guy. But they
have you know, Cam Wore going into a second year.
But you're right, like, you bring in a defensive guy

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and any sort of offensive success is going to lead
to that coordinator being plucked to somewhere else. Why would
they go with a Sala here, That's.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
A great question.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
I did think they would go offense, but to my point,
before you know they went, they did the opposite.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
They had a first time offensive coach and Brian Callahan.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Now they go to and experienced defensive coach in sala
You always see that with these teams, they just hire
the opposite of what they just had. Yeah, I think
Robert Salad is someone that they view as you know,
got a bad shake in New York and never really
had a quarterback, and that team is just dysfunctional and
swallows up good coaches. And you know, I don't mind
a coach. You didn't have a great record the first time.

(50:34):
Bill Belichick didn't either in Cleveland. You learned from your mistakes.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
The quarterback situation, I think is so is such a
big factor in how well a coach does. I guess
the one the one thing I can think of though,
is you know, when you're getting solid and he's coming
from the forty nine ers, I would assume the plan
is for him to bring a Kyle Shanahan coach and
bring that scheme to Nashville, you know, install that offense,

(50:59):
which I think has been a really good offense for
a lot of young quarterbacks and it's kind of the
hot offense around the league. So that's my guess is
that they liked Sala, you know, as a culture builder
and as an experience coach, and that he has a
plan to bring along someone from the forty nine ers,
from the Kyle Shanahan tree to go run that offense
and get the most out of cam Ward. And we've

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seen quarterbacks take a big jump from year one to
year two. Drake May is a great example.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
I don't think I got great coaching this year, not
that I was on the inside, but that team just
looked very dysfunctional this year. So you bring in Sala,
and I guess maybe the forty nine ers offense and
maybe that's a team that can turn things around. But
you know, the Titans have not made great decisions organizationally
the last few years. That they had a pretty good
setup with Rabel and John Robinson for a while and

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it's been a lot of moving parts since then.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
So we'll see if they've found the right mix this time.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
All Right, I know that you're an AP voter, So
like the big awards at the end of the season,
Number one, who's your MVP And what's the criteria that
you base that off of? Not just because you cover
the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
I mean they asked me not, They asked me not
to reveal it before it's uh, give us just.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
A wink, give us a wink.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Well, I'll tell you so I have.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
So for eight you also get to vote for the
All Pro teams, and those were announced and I voted
for Drake May for first team All Pro and Stafford
for second team. It's very close. Both had excellent seasons.
I guess I'm a Boston Homer, but I just thought
most of the stats other than like raw passing yards
and raw touchdowns obviously were in Stafford's favor, but every

(52:35):
other stat analytic was in Drake May's favor. The completion
percentage and specifically the completion percentage on top of his
yards per attempt, like he was pushing the ball down
field and still completing a very high rate of passes.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
The record was better. He won his division.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
You know, I know, the schedules not apples to apples,
but you know, like the advanced analytics like the expected
points added, all that stuff like Drake like Blue Stafford away.
And the one stat that I did find I looked
at down passes from the two yard line or closer.
Stafford led the league with eleven and no one else
had more than five. So to me, that's like a

(53:12):
little bit of stat padding. They get down to the
goal line and they get Stafford his touchdown passes. So
but I value team success, and Drake went fourteen to three,
huge turnaround won the AFC East. To me, I view
wins as a quarterback stat I think the quarterback is
very directly involved in a team success. So Drake had great,
great numbers, great success, and so that's why I've voted

(53:33):
for him for First Team All Pro.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
One final question, I know you spent a lot of
time with the Gators. Can you give me a epic
Tim Tebow story.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
I loved t Bow because he was pretty down to
earth for he was huge when I covered him his
junior and senior year of college. I mean, the guy
was a rock star, especially in the South, like in
the SEC. He could not go anywhere. It was like
living totally in a fishbowl. Environment for him, and so
many strains on his time between media. You know, ESPN
always wants a piece of him, and then he's always

(54:03):
doing community work and church work and things like that,
missionary work. Like the guy always had people pulling him
a million different directions, but he he didn't.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Learned everyone's name.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
He was very genuine, And when he got to the Patriots,
there was like he just tried out in preseason. He
got cut, but it was a third preseason game We're
in Detroit. He didn't play. So we went to him
after the game and said he didn't play, are you
worried about getting cut?

Speaker 5 (54:29):
And whatever? Blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
And after the interview ends, he like, I turned to
walk away and someone grabs me by the shoulder and
I turned around and it's Tim and he goes, Ben,
what's up, man? Like, how you doing? How long you've
been in Boston? Like this is so cool, And I, frankly,
I didn't even know that he even remembered who I was.
So he was just always thought he was a very
genuine guy. And I thought he didn't get a good
enough chance. I thought, you know, through for three hundred

(54:52):
yards in a playoff game, against the Steelers, like Tebow
deserved more of a chance in the NFL, But I
always thought he was a pretty genuine guy.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Who's your favorite Patriot that you've covered since covering the team?

Speaker 5 (55:03):
I mean everyone, it's always like Slater and McCarty.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Everyone always says those two because they're such And that's
Devin mccordy and and Matthew Slater just the.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Salt of the earth.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
Guys, great team leaders, you know, voice of the locker room,
always there too whenever things didn't go right to you know,
speak for the team. And Slater was such a great
guy to talk to you because he on special teams
dealt with so many of the you know, younger players
and guys who were struggling. So I loved, you know,
Devin mccordy and Matthew Slater. Martell's Bennett was always a trip.

(55:36):
You never wanted to miss a Martell's Bennett press conference.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
And I love drunk Man.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
I was the same things that what I said about Tibo,
same thing about Dronk. Very genuine guy for as big
and popular as he was. You know, I love the
fact that he was always going did a lot of
community work on tuesdays going to children's hospitals and stuff,
and the guy like when he got to Tampa, I
went down there to write on him. I didn't know
if he knew my name. Gets out of his golf cart, Ben,

(56:02):
what's up man?

Speaker 5 (56:03):
How you doing? What do you need? And gave me
like a ten minute interview.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Like Gronk was always a very genuine guy, never got
in trouble, and obviously it was a big superstar.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
So I love covering Gronk.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Then have a safe trip to Denver, and these guys
want you to come back with a w for the Patriots. Obviously, Uh,
thank you for the time, and we'll continue reading your work.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
You do a great job, so really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Awesome, Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Of the four quarterbacks a lot, which story do you
like the most if they were to win the Super Bowl?
Of the four left, whose story do you like if
they win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (56:53):
If you've got to go to Jared Sidham, are you
kidding me? It's a great story. It's a great story.
He gets drafted by the Patriots. He's kind of there
to take over after Brady leaves, but then they bring
in Cam Newton and that gets carb blanche. He's only
started what five games played for the Raiders a little bit,
been on the shelf for a little while, just keeping
that thing healthy, waiting in the wings. All of a

(57:15):
sudden boom AFC Championship game, guess what you're in? And
nobody even got to see him play last week. That's
the other crazy. How often do you see a starting
quarterback go down and the other games over after the
game's over, like finishes the game and it's not until
afterwards that you say, oh, guess what you're starting the
biggest game that this franchise has had in years.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I think it'd be a great story. There's going to
be so much media inquiry this week to him, and
if they win, he's going to be the guy that
when he speaks at the podium Super Bowl days, down
on the field, when it's just like a sea of
people around him, everybody. That would be an interesting story.
I would expect that from you. It's good because maybe
you see a little bit of you and him. Oh

(57:57):
I'm going to go Sam Darnold, Yes he was nothing,
went to the drafted by the Jets, went to the Panthers,
goes and chills with the Niners. Oh okay, well, I
think you're definitely a great, great little backup here. Yeah,
plays his brains out Minnesota. No, he's just a system quarterback.
He played well, but system goes and makes his money

(58:19):
in Seattle. I would love to see him win. Oh too,
because I think it also gives We talked about coaches
and like does it remove the shine? I think it
helps these quarterbacks that go to these organizations that don't
play well. That if a quarterback like a Sam Darnold
is able to go and play in these bad places
and still actually be good, they're just not written off right.

(58:40):
Baker Mayfield's another example of that. Like if you play
with the If you're a quarterback and you get drafted
early by those teams because you're always getting drafted early
by those teams because they're always bad. When it doesn't
work out and you leave, we shouldn't look any worse
at you. You're five years out, you're starting over one hundred.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Because some of these guys get labeled right, they're they're
a bust in. The next they draft the next guy
and they go through the same stuff. Because it's an
organizational problem. It's not always the player, and coaching makes
a difference. And that's why you see so many of
these guys, even Mac Jones this year going back playing
the five games, what was he five and one or something?
I mean four and one something like that this year,

(59:18):
but he's playing under Kyle Shanahan in a system that
has held true to being successful. Four quarterbacks. And then
a guy like Sam Darnold, because I know the adversity
that you go through, and I'm not talking about physical
I'm talking about the mental adversity that you go through
when you're a quarterback and things aren't going well and
you're the face of the franchise or the supposed face

(59:38):
of the franchise, and you struggle and you can't get
out of that, and then they all of a sudden,
you're cut and you're sent over to the label and
labeled to the Panthers, and you're backup at the Panthers
with Baker Mayfield and one other player was there as
well at the time, but gets to start because somebody
gets hurt. Same thing, team wasn't very good. Again, Now

(59:58):
you're reiterating that label that people put on you, and
sometimes it's just that fresh start. But he gets an
opportunity to fight through all that and to still have
that self confidence that you can go out and play well,
and then to go out and do it not only
last year, but now this year. It's it's a great
story and it's a great testament to just how people
can overcome those type of circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think at quarterbacks that had they been drafted by
different organizations, might have actually been good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Him Couch, Oh god, he got absolutely murdered when he
was with Cleveland. Guy was an absolute stud.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yes, and you know why he's not a stud in
our minds because he played for Cleveland. And then it
makes you look at guys like Cam Newton and go, dude,
you must have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Been real, real good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
He was unbelievad like, you must have been real real
good in order to take that poverty franchise and make
them pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Yeah, successful year in, year out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I'm Panther guy. By the way, for the record, I'm
big Panthers guy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Keeping put it in MVP. Take him to a super Bowl.
Keep pounding, yeah, keep pounding. I agree with you, because
when he walked in that building, that's when you know
some something's different. And then you go out in game
after game you watch him and go, oh my god,
he single handly willed this team to win and just
started winning consistently. And that's why you draft a quarterback
like that, hoping that you catch that same type of

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difference maker.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
They have to be such a such a difference maker
going to one of those bad organizations like look at Burrow,
because the Bengals are that, except they got Burrow right
and Burrow was able to elevate and took them to
a super Bowl. Yes, the Bengals are not an organization.
They're not rich. The owners of Bengals. Their money is
the team. They're not super billionaires that it's just kind

(01:01:40):
of their fun project and they throw money at it
like that. So they don't spend a lot of money. Obviously,
no outdoor practice facility for fifty years.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
We don't need one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
So the guys like Joe Burrow should be appreciated even
more because not only is he able to again transcend
the poverty organization, but he's able to win so much
he forces them to spend money on other things like
wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
So all right, I just it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
The most boring story no offense to you guys, is
Drake may what It doesn't mean it's not great. But
I'm telling you, Matthew Stafford went another super Bowl. I
think he's a top ten quarterback all time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yeah, I mean statistically he already is one, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Only one super Bowl, and I think that's what keeps
him out of that. In the actual list of people
going let me write the top quarterbacks, you give him
another one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I think he's in there because he does have all
the statistics. I mean, it's Drew Brees. Didn't he only
win one super Bowl, but he is. It was after
a hurricane. Yeah, he wanted he wanted for the city.
Yeah he went for the city. But I think Drew
Brees is one of the top quarterbacks that ever played
a game. He's only won one Super Bowl. Peyton Manning,
who arguably is number two on one, he won two

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super Bowls two different organizations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I guess my point with Stafford is he played U
with the Detroit We're talking about poverty franchises that don't win.
He just was not in the mix of being talked
about highly where Breeze was talking about how he won MVPs.
He was getting close. He was always in the conversation
of this guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
He just wasn't winning it, so Stafford didn't get that
because they were terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Yeah, it's like Miles Garrett, he's one of the biggest
freaks that we'll ever see play the game at his position. Yeah,
and he's in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
He could have left though.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yeah he took that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
You know, he took that money. Steve Miller did it. Yeah,
I'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, I agree. You guys pretty
pumped about this weekend. Oh, it's gonna be awesome. Yeah yeah,
I mean, how are you not? This is the best
about the Patriots specifically. I'm fired up about the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I'm super stoked from boy Braves And would you have
you texted him? Do you take? Did? He hasn't responded
yet though, sure you got like five hundred thousand text messages.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
But gets to that because I do. I don't care
what's going on if I don't get a text back.
I'm like, I don't because I'm a really bad textler.
Yeah you are, because text me before Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
And then you'll get it on Thursday, Like, hey, Bud,
sorry I miss this. I'm like, how do you mess
for two days? How do you messing for two days?
Just yeah. So I'm not a very good Texert and
so if somebody doesn't respond to me, it's totally fine.
As long as I let them know that I'm thinking
about him, that's good. Yeah, he's a phone call guy.
I'm a huge phone call guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
love if you were. If you call me, I'll pick up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Will never call you. I don't call anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
You'll never call me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I don't call anybody. Kevin, Have I ever called you
on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
The only time really is like after we record something
and you leave, You're like just for like a note,
or you'll leave a voice.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Yeah, he has.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
He has done a voice message, but that's just to
avoid any part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I just want to let you know something, and that's it.
I don't call people. I don't call people. I hate it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Really, I can't wait to call you. I want to answer.
I don't just leave you the most random voicemails.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I'll never check it. But I I know I don't
mind facetiming people. If I FaceTime you, yeah, because there
are social cues in facetiming. Yeah, And social cues are
what allows me to get off the phone earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
I am awkward if it's just talking, I'm awkward anyway.
I told there's a microphone on. It's not like I
come in a room and I'm the most garious guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
The what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
You lit this room up when you came in here earlier. Shoot,
I walked in. I was like, I feel great, guys,
I talk to me. The microphone comes on.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Let's go baby, Hey, baby, give me some juice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah, I don't call Brandon, do I ever? Do I
ever call you? Brandon and I have been friends for
thirteen years, and I know not to call you like ever.
It's just I won't answer.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
I don't think I've ever called you unless it's like
a hotel. Hey, I need this real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Other than that, no, never I think people answer you
need something well like emergency. Yeah, if I call anybody,
it's and I would say, if you guys call me,
it's answered immediately. Because I know this is not typical.
So something may be wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Oh so I can play off that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So I but now you've told me so answer damn it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
I know you ruined it. Yeah, Yeah, he doesn't want
to hear from me. Let's be honest, No I do.
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I used to text them out a lot and I
would never get a text back.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
All my texts were I would say timely, meaning can
I get an answer in the next I don't know,
twenty four hours, and then you get a message back
two and a half days later. You go, I don't
feel like I could sit a letter like you stay
up on a letter and get it there the same
amount of time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
I got this letter, man, thank you so much for
writing me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I think i'd get a letter back from him before
I got a text.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Here, Bobby, sitting by my pool right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Do you have a bunch of text on your phone
that you haven't read? Do you not read them or
do you just not respond to them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I've probably got ten or fifteen texts that I haven't
respond to. But if that would be like you scroll
down like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
But do they stay read? Do they stay dotted? They
say dotted okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Like or if I read it and I need to
respond at some point, I'll put unread. But a lot
of it is if I need to pay, like I
forgot to pay something or did this orther? It's somebody, dude, book,
he's going after you, coming after me so Houston last week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
The thing with Castle Too is if I text him
and said, hey, you want to get lunch Saturday, but
I send it on a Wednesday, I'm not going to
hold that spot on my calendar for two days. As
he comes back to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
No, but when the hell have you text me on
a Wednesday and said let's go to lunch on a Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Never, that's not true. That's just not true. Really, early on,
before I decided I can't do, we went to lunch together,
I know, and I had to hold a spot for
like two days before you responded. No, there's been time.
You all have our strengths. You're the great You're the greatest, nicest,
warmest human.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Like I said, call me dude. See your strength is texting.
I'm I would never call it. I want to talk
to more than I do on this spot. No, it's
not about talking. I just don't want to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I like talking to you, I like talking all everybody
in here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I hate talking on the phone. Oh man, your beard
looks good though. Yeah, I'm glad you're still letting it roll.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to shave this thing though, probably
before the super Bowl. Why, I don't know, kind of professional. Look,
you know you look at you. You got Bobby baby Face
on over there all the time. Perfect. You let your
cat Bobby Babyface, the cat like the by snoop, the milk.
Oh dude, the snowstorms coming. It's gonna be like epic.
It never is when they say it never is, but

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there they are saying potential, which always means least fifteen inches.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
That's it. Thank you, guys. You know what for you
guys say go pats.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Yeah, let's go past.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I would like some of my friends enjoying life. Thanks
to Ben Bolin for coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
It was awesome. He was great. Go follow him on
Twitter or X. That's what you say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I don't say X. Everybody still says Twitter. Yeah, so anyway,
go follow Ben. Thank you guys. And that's Matt Castle.
That's kick Off Kevin, that's Brandon right. We've had lots
to say goodbye to pay lots to say with Bobby
Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL

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