Lots to Say: NFL Combine, Free Agents, and SB Champion Victor Cruz

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel recap some of their off time before turning their attention to the NFL Combine.  Matt recalls that time of his career and doing private workouts for teams.  What do you expect to see from Fernando Mendoza at his Pro-Day?  Bobby asks Matt about the teams that showed interest in Matt before the NFL Draft.  

Matt loved wrapping up the Olympics with Team USA winning hockey gold!   Bobby gives his review of the John Elway documentary.  Matt wonders if Bobby could survive on a show like 'Alone' on Netflix. 

Free agency is about to get underway and Matt looks at some of the available players. What will happen with players like Kenneth Walker, Mike Evans, Deebo Samuel, Tyreek Hill, and George Pickens?  Plus, Super Bowl Champion Victor Cruz joined us in San Francisco and talked about being named to his first Pro Bowl and his connection to Puerto Rico!  

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Mattcastle is a
production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts We got.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Lost, Just.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lost? Just what a bragger?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
And we hope you say because.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
We got lost?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, we got lost. Just now here's Bobby and that.
What's up everybody, And welcome back to Matt Castle, who
celebrated his nineteenth wedding anniversary.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Thank you, thank you. Yes, it's good to be back.
But it was so amazing to get away for a
few days. So I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
No kids, right, no kids?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
This, Yeah, I told you on our tenth anniversary with
no coverage, four kids and a pregnant wife was not
the most romantic.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
This was definitely romantic. It was wonderful.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
To get away for a few days and be adults
and good food. We went on hikes, one of the
most strenuous hikes I've ever been on in my life.
I know how to read a map, but we got
We were up there for about two hours and thirty minutes,
and I don't think I read the map very well
because I didn't realize there was a V on the
sections that were very strenuous.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I'm not kidding you. We basically scaled the mountain down.
We could have repelled it could have been like bear Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
We went to the same place and got lost once
and we kept coming to this There's like it may
have been different trail, but there was like a center
where there were maps right somewhere in the mountain, and
we kept coming to that place, but it was the
exact same place. We kept getting wrapped around. We'd be like, oh,
there's another map and it was the same one we
had just been at. They also gave us walkie talkies

(01:42):
at this place, and we didn't take the walkie talkies.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
We didn't take the walkie time now they told us,
and my wife's like, is this a bad idea not
to take the.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Walk I was like, babe, I've been hunting up in Montaigne. Dude,
I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I had the map, no idea where we were. She
kept saying, where's the trail head? Do you see paint
on the trees? I was like, I'm really hoping I'm
going the right way, but I can't convincingly tell you
that I'm going to get you home right now.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I have because of your anniversary, your nineteenth wedding anniversary,
let's look back at sports and pop culture from two
thousand and seven, the year you got married.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Two thousand and seven. Here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The number one movie was Spider Man three. Now, the
thing about the Spider Man movies, that's got to be
the Toby maguire version, right, because there it's got to
be multiple Spider Man's at this point. They're all like
small twirpie white guys. But I think that was probably
our spider.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Man, right, and Toby worked out for that role, There's
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Number one pop song Beyonce is Irreplaceable? Can you sing it?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah? Irreplaceable?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Isn't that? To the left? To the left, to the left,
Is that that's that song?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right? Yeah? Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
The number one rap song Soldier Boy cranked that.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Oh crank that I used to crank that just listening
he was doing boy here.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, yeah, I'm a big old school hip hop. Don't
kid yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
The iPhone debuts was priced to five hundred bucks for
a four gig model, six hundred bucks for an eight
gig model. The number one TV show was American Idol?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Were you on that?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And seven? No?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
No, no, no, I thought you were contestant?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
The NBA MVP. Can you just reach out of nowhere
and grab that two thousand and seven MVP Kobe Brant
dark Novitsky, Yep, I knew that the Mavericks did not
win the championship that year, though, Who did.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Kobe Brant? No, it was the Spurs.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, Jimmy Rollins wins MVP and baseball and in football.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Tom Brady the MVP, and the Giants won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, it was there.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
They were really good until until we weren't. Yeah, thinks
you love that to just won a super Bowl? Right? No, No,
that was the one.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Initially, when I googled did Castle ever win a Super Bowl?
It said yes, and I showed you where it said that,
So I thought you just won a super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
No, I mean, like I said, it was the only
backup in the history of the New England Patriot run
from the two thousands to the twenty twenties did not
be part of a Super Bowl team.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
But there is a positive to that. The reason that
you didn't continue longer as backup is because you've got
a starting job somewhere else. That's where you went and
maje your money.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's all perspective.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
No, that's a perspective.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's the real. That is the reality. That is the real.
Would you have rather going to back up and want
a championship with no?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
No, I'm proud of you.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
If I have to tell you that, I'm proud of you.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Thank you. I'm proud of you too for the man you've.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Become and the man you were, the man you are.
Happy nineteen anniversary, but thank you, buddy. I got a
couple of things I did see. I was looking at
Fernando Mendoza and he's gonna go to the combine, but
he's not gonna throw. And his whole thing was he's
going to throw to his own guys during pro day? Right,
you didn't go to the combine?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Did not go to the combine?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Was it because you weren't invited?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's pretty fair to say.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, you know, normally they invite people that have had
quite a few starts or's some experience.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Me on the other hand, No, I did not go
to the combine. Was not invited.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
So, but your pro day was interesting because you had
a pro day but with a lot of other people, right, right.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
So it's all the collective athletes at your school at
the time that are coming out to the pros, and
we just happened to be absolutely loaded, right. We're coming
off of two national champions championships, and so every scout
comes to your pro day, especially a high profile school
like USC at the time, and I just knew I
was going to get a chance to go out there
and perform and show my skill set.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So that's really what made or break.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Was kind of a make or break day for me
to go out and perform well and run all the
drills and then be able to throw at the end,
and that's what sparked interest. That's when all the scouts
came up to me after and surrounded me like.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Tell us your story. Who why didn't you play this?
That and the other.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I was like, it's pretty obvious. There's a guy Carson
Palmer did pretty well. He's a number one draft pick.
This other guy, Matt Leonard had a pretty good year.
He won the Heisman Trophy as well, and I kind
of got stuck in between it. They decided a week
before season that they're going to go with lineart. So
but it sparked interest and got me some private workouts
and all that stuff. But I think that's the smart
play for any quarterback that's come out that's already established

(06:02):
and have it has achieved what Ferananamen does, it has
to go out there and throw to your guys in
a very comfortable environment. Because he's not the play speaks
for itself now, he's just going out there and throwing
in shorts and showing everybody that he's got a canon
for an arm.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, and he wants to highlight his guys, he said.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Right, because Elijah Stewart's coming out, and they've got Omar Cooper.
Omar Cooper's coming out as well, So he's got two
guys that are coming out in the draft as well
that guys are gonna want to look at those guys.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
So I think it's a good decision.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Who was that your pro day? Because you guys were loaded,
but who also was showing off?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Who was out? Kerry Kolbert, we had Lofa Tatupu. We
had Daryl Patterson, We had Sean Cody. These guys were
all first and second round picks. We had Ryan Khalil
was coming out, Sam Baker left tackle. We had a
ton of guys coming out that year that were all
high draft picks.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Whenever there are that many guys. Does everybody do it
at a specific time so all scouts can watch every
single person or is it all happening at once and
people have to go around and like pick and choose.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
They kind of pick and choose. Because the defensive linemen
are going to go do defensive lineman drills. They're gonna
have one coach come out and run the drills, and
coach Ojoron was running the drills for the defensive linemen.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
But they want to look at their get off.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
They want to see their transitions and their agility ability.
They work their hands a little bit, then you've got
the dB drills are much different. Right, They're going to
see how they transition out of their back pedal and
do all these different types of agility drills, and watch
how they catch the ball.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Are they one of.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Those that go up and catch the ball with their hands,
that catch the ball on their chest. You know, they're
evaluating all those movement patterns for each group. And then
for the quarterbacks wide receivers, we get together and go
through what we call the route tree. Right, you'll start
with a slant, you'll start with a hitch, and then
it gets to comebacks. And there'll be usually be a
quarterback coach there that will run you through drill, so
you'll have some movement patterns. It won't just be five

(08:00):
step with a hitch, five step in rhythm. It'll be
all these different types of throws that you might see
in a normal game, and.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
But you would do them not at the same time.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Maybe at the same time.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Everybody has a chance to see everybody.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Everybody has a chance to see anybody.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
And if you're more focused on the defensive line group,
because we were loaded at the defensive line group, then
a lot of those guys would kind of go and
valuate over there and there might be another drill going on.
We actually happened to be the last position group to go,
and I was like, no, wait, wait, I see some
of these coaches starting to leave because they probably didn't
have me or some of our wide receivers on their
radar at that time. And so you're hoping that you

(08:36):
spark enough interest. But they're also not just coaches, GMS
people like that. There's scouts. So those scouts primarily are
there to look at everything holistically and give their evaluations.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
How many guys there or after that told you, hey,
we may draft you.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well, it was interesting because I had four or five
private workouts after that. Yes, it was the Bengals, it
was San Diego, it was Oakland, it was one other.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Team and do you go there?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
They came to me at USC So we would go
in and that was always an interesting part of the processes.
You'd go in, you'd sit in a room like this,
and they want to get to know you. They talk
a little bit about your story, and then they want
to put on film and see what you know and
what you retain, how you call a play and can
you tell me why you're working a certain route concept.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Here versus here?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
And so you sit down and they kind of get
to know you in the film study room and formationally
they want you to call out formations. Why are you
doing this? You know what was this motion called? So
they're going to try to test you in that way.
And then you go out on the field and they'll
run you through a rigorous workout. It's usually about thirty
five forty five minutes of all different types of throws.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
They want you to go through cadence, and they might even.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Tell you a play that how they call it for
their offensive unit and They want you to be able
to recite that play as if you're in a huddle
and get to line scrimmage and then run the route
concept that they want to run.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Could you tell.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Which coaches or which teams were a little more on
it based on what they wanted from you.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
A little bit, but it was it was pretty detail
oriented with every coach because they sent their quarterback coach
out and that quarterback coach knew exactly what they were
looking for in the type offense. Some of it was
more movement patterns like boots and sprint outs.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Some of it was more play action deep down the field,
deep in cuts, deep comeback routes, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So every team was a little bit different in that way.
The one team that did not come and work me
out was the New England Patriots.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
And so before the draft, before the third day of
the draft back then, I started getting phone calls and
a lot of these teams wanted me to come out
come in as a free agent. Said hey, look, you're
definitely on our radar if we don't draft you late. Now,
if you don't draft me late, I get that, and
I was planning on going somewhere and to my picking
as a free agent.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Did you have an idea where you wanted to go?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Probably San Diego? Yeah, probably San Diego.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I mean it's close, it's right down the road, right,
And so at that point, going into that last day,
my agent asked me to come down to his office
because he's.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's going to happen quick.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
You're gonna feel calls and we're going to make a decision,
and then because they'll fill that slot. So I went
down and then all of a sudden, we got a
call from actually it was in the morning that day,
Scott Pioli called me and said, hey, I want to
let you know, and we're really interested in you. We
have a late seventh round draft pick. If we take you,
we're going to take if we take a quarterback, we're

(11:26):
going to take you. If not, we want you to
consider coming to New England. And they weren't even on
my radar at that point, but then they made the
phone call and Belichick called and said, hey, we're going
to take you next in the NFL draft and said
it in that voice and I thought he was kidding,
And I was like, are you messing with me?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Who is this.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
How did know?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
There was a scout at my pro day, Matt Russell,
who I got to know really well when I was
back in New England, and he was the one that
went and stood on the table for me and vouch
for me. And I'll be forever grateful to him because
he's one of those area of scouts that was there,
like I said, watching the pro day and evaluating talent,
and he said, hey, we've got to check this guy out.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And then I.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sent out film of spring ball. I spent out film
of the thirty two passes I had in college. I
was sending them whatever I had to send them because
I didn't have a lot of film.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I have your numbers from your pro day.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Oh gosh. I didn't run as well as I thought
I was gonna run.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
What did you think you'd run?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I thought I was going to be a four to
four to seven guy, Love four to seven guy?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Do you remember what you ran?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Four eight? Yeah? Four eight, Yeah, that was terrible. It's
like linement speed.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Now, no slignments speed. I don't think then it was.
Then it was just mildly.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
No. I had some boozies, dude, I could go I
believe you. I ran away from people.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Before eight then with a little faster than it is now.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Not when you saw Carson Palmer two years before, you
run like a four or five?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
He did.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, he's a big dude too, two six five, two
thirty scooting down the track.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Your vertical was thirty four inches?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Could you dunk?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
No? I never have been able to dunk. I never
really tried. Ay your size.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Maybe I maybe I could dunk every now and then.
Thirty four is pretty good though for six four?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I think? What was that put me out? Does that
put me in love?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Ten feet with your arms? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Exactly, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I could dunk basketball,
but you never have. Huh No, I never will. I
never was a jumper. I never had a jump. My
My position was keep your footing, stay solid on the ground,
keep a good foundation, a good base, and rip it.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
You and Fitzpatrick basically same speed.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Really, that makes me feel better.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Would you have thought he was faster or slower than you?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
He's shorter than I am. Stock here, maybe a little
bit faster. Yeah, all right, I just want to start
my three cone? What about my three cone?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
But I don't know I have, but I don't know
how to value your shuttles out one hundred and fifteen inches.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, dude, that's outstanding.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't know if it is.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's that's you tell me if I should like Spider Man.
He talked about Spider Man earlier. That's basically me sending
out my web.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
A three cone drill. What's a good what's a good number?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Whatever I had was yeah, seven point two.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Three cone drill. Yeah, I don't. I didn't bring that
up because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
How Honestly, I don't either, Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
But I knew, I knew. I felt like I was
moving around those cones pretty well, all.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Right, So I wanted to just start with your anniversary
and pro Day and Mendoza. So I'm over to you. Now,
what do you got?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
What do I got? Did you watch the Olympics? At
least tell me you watched the hockey game?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Watch the hockey?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Did you watch the whole thing?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It was epic, was it not? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'm not a hockey guy, but I'm an America guy.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I'm a big America guy, and there was not a
better way to celebrate the ending of the Olympics than
when the hockey US hockey team won against their art
tribal Canada, and then the just the celebration, the pure
joy in those dudes' faces.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I think anytime you're missing teeth and smiling, that's what
makes you look awesome. If you're missing teeth and crying, ah,
if you're missing teeth, or if you're if you're smiling
with all your teeth, you're just happy. But if you're
missing teeth and you're smiling, there's something special about you.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
And you lost teeth during the game.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I took a high stick.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Dude took the high stick, and the other guy took
a high stick and chipped his teeth out.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But how defeated did Canada look?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I had a problem with, just generally speaking, how long
they made them stay on the ice after they could
have let them go back to the locker room, because
they had to stay out there for twenty eight minutes.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
And just watch the joyous celebration of the Americans who
just beat them. And then they also gave them that
little doll which they little stuffy, and nobody made a
face about it either. What was the stuffy I kind
of want to. I'm interested to know the significance.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Of this stay. They gave it to every person on
the metal stand for the entire Olympics, and the people
that won the first place was always all happier. The
people that weren't they didn't much care about the stuffy,
So yeah, I think that was just something they did.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
They should have given it with the metal.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Well, especially hockey guys, like you're sitting there giving do
you give it to your daughter or something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But it was just an interesting momento to walk away with.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
I didn't feel like they needed to go back down
the line a second time and do a second diploma
handshake to give a stuffy, right, they could have given
them the metal and then hand them the stuffy and
then shake a hand.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
What did your kids call stuff animals?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
We've got everything from pink Bunny, like literally named pink
Bunny since she was a little kid that she calls
well that's actually my son was handed down one called
it pink bunny, blue bunny. We had piggy, and then
some of my kids don't care less about stuffies?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Is that generic term? Was it stuffy with your kids?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Stuffed animals, stuffed animal, stuffy ken, what about.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
You guys, Yeah, stuffed animal. But would you say, here's
your stuffed animal?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, we called it lovey back in the day.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
All things like this is all stuffed or called what, yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Stuffed animals? Yeah, no matter what, here's your dinosaur stuffed
animal or your bear, but it's all stuffed animal.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
It feels like too many syllables. I have nieces and
their parents call them stuffies, like get your stuffy Yeah,
to take Kevin's like, get your stuffed animal, or approximately
six point.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Two do get your dinosaur stuffed animal? Get you go
play with that.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I did watch the John Elway documentary on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So Wat's pregnant and so she was just down and out,
so I was just searching for shows. And also I'm
not traveling at all because of her being pregnant, and
I'm just bobbing through Netflix. And it's so hard to
find something to watch when you have no idea what
you want to watch. It's way harder now than it
used to be whenever you would just flip the channels
because you knew that thing would like peter out at
like eighty six and start over. So you knew as

(17:46):
you were getting to the end, well, I'm about to
start over. So I got to make a decision. There
is no Industralian platforms, oh no, because you go call
Netflix or All Amazon, all Paramount Plus. So I made
a commitment to get on Netflix and find something. And
I was gonna find something in sports on Netflix, and
I said I was gonna watch the forty nine Ers
docuseries or the Lway documentary, And so I decided on

(18:08):
the Lway documentary, and I thought it was pretty good.
I had forgotten he lost three Super Bowls before he
ever won one. Oh yeah, three, three, and that when
he went to his fourth, his mom was like, oh,
we sure we want to go back because he had
been through three losses, including back to backs.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, he was trending toward Buffalo Bills. Jim Kelly like.
He was trending that way until the very end of his.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Career and then he hit two hit two back to
back and then he retired. I thought it was pretty good.
It does not seem like he's a good guy though, really,
because the documentary definitely didn't make him look like a
bad guy, but they did not make him look like
a good guy.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Was it because of the controversy when he was coming
out and he didn't want to be drafted by.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was it the Colt you know? Not really?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, it was Baltimore, right, Not really That part was
kind of understandable because they were talking about and I
didn't know this and he may have looked this up, Kevin,
but how the owner of the Baltimore Colts had been
some controversy because I think he fired a coordinator sort
of call and plays himself from the sideline like he
was just like crazy, and so nobody wanted to play
for that organization. So Elway, number one draft pick is

(19:11):
picked by the Colts. Elway goes to the press conference,
and I felt like he was pretty well spoken for
a twenty year old, and he said, hey, I we
told them before not to draft me. I didn't want
to play for them. I didn't want it to come
to this, but now we have some decisions to make.
The Yankees also drafted him Yankees, so in the end,
you know, he gets traded to the Broncos. They really
didn't make him look like a jerk there. It was

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just his family didn't do him any favors either, because
they'd be like, you know, if we lost, we just
wouldn't go around Dad at all. The house was so
hard to be in. And then it would be like, yeah,
Dad wasn't here much. He was more football than family.
It was just saying all this stuff really and it
just kind of all piled in and I was like,
John Elway, not.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
A good dude. This is this is overwhelming for me
right now.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, athlete A plus plus, like one of the greatest.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Ever ever, Like absolute cannon for an arm.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
What do you see over there, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, Robert Ers he made a bunch of different decisions,
including benching players, calling plays, firing all the assistants one
year himself.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's amazing, wow, and.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Even credited himself for calling a play on a touchdown
pass once.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Hey, he credited himself. Hey, that would be pretty cool, though.
If you're the owner and you're like, dude, I'm calling
this play.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
I would want if I were the owner, I was
hire me to call the plays.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
And that's what his granddaughter is, the one that sits
on the sideline out right, and she wants to.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Listen in with a notepad. Y.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
She listens in to the place.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
She keeps the headset on the whole time.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
You seen that, No, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, yeah, come on, and and while they're winning, it's
really cool. While they were winning last year, I was like, wow,
look how dolled in she is. And then when they
started losing.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Then your question, and it was like, why why, why
why are we doing this? Do you understand what's being taught?
Are you in the meetings? Do you see the intricacies
of the game and why he's checking this play?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, you don't, You're just hearing random words in your
in your ear.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I thought the document was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Pretty good. Yeah, I didn't realize I don't know that bad.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
He lost those Super Bowls either. I knew he had
lost a couple of the man he got blown out.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I didn't think it.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
May as a person didn't make him look any better really. Yeah,
as an athlete athlete, he had no idea. That's before
we were around, Like he was playing for Stanford in
like seventy nine, eighty eighty one whatever whenever that is. Yeah,
he was crazy. He Uh, there's a story because his
dad is a football coach, right and grew.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Up in Granada Hills, right down the street from where
I grew.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Up whenever his dad was i think fired from like
Washington State up there, and they were driving down and
he was like, hey, what position you're going to try for?
And John I was like running back, and he goes,
now you're going to be quarterback.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And then he got lucky that his high school quarterback
was like so far ahead and maybe Stanford at throwing
the football because they actually threw the ball, which back
then it was just run, run, run.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Play action. A little little you know what show I've
been watching on Netflix. Have you ever seen the show alone?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
They literally take these people one hundred and some miles
past the Arctic Circle.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's like a survival type show.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Right, do you think you could actually survive out there?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I mean, there's grizzlies, there's moose and and I'm not
saying that, but these people are gnarly. The shelters that
they make, the skill set that they have, and it's
fascinating to me and makes me feel like such a
less human that I don't know how to do anything
that they know how to do.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
These people are crazy and they they're crazy and they
have such a skill set. It is an odd combination
unbelievable that they can go. I worked with the producers
of that show, really because when I on my show,
because I moved to South America for a month and
a half to go and do a show in the
jungle on Peacock, and some of those producers worked on

(22:41):
Alone and Naked and Afraid. It's all those like they
like share it because they were that's a similar type show,
and they would talk about ho those people were just insane,
Like you had to be insane to even want to
do it, to agree to do it right, and then
you had to be like insanely good and wildly smart
to also exist on a show like that.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
To actually survive it.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
And the one thing about Alone is they truly are
in the middle of a wilderness. At least in Naked
and Afraid, you've got somebody there that you can kind
of compete with and do that alone. You are by
yourself and the demons. You can see it just after
a while, when they're malnutritions and all that stuff, they
start to get emotional. And these people aren't emotional. They
are backcountry woodsmen. These women are just as strong as

(23:22):
the men.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
It is wild not the same. So no, I don't
think I would survive in the situations they're put in. Yeah,
so no, my answer is no, I would die. I
die sad and I die crying.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I definitely would make sure that I had that radio
that they said, look, if you want to tap out,
push it.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
When I did Bear Girls the first time, we went
to Norway, and so was it cold. It's freezing cold
and rain and it was raining the whole time. It
wasn't snowing, it was freezing cold and raining. So we
were constantly wet. And it's a two day deal. And
my flight was delayed like fourteen hours at different places.
So as soon as I landed, I didn't get to sleep.
We went right into action. So I'm exhausted. When I

(23:58):
land we start, I am like crevicing however they were,
and Bear joins me in the middle. That's how it is.
Like comes in on a helicopter and so we're climbing
these mountains, going down on ropes, all these things, and
there's this water that we have to go across, and
I'm thinking we're gonna make a boat or something, and no, no, no,
we're gonna wade through it. But again it's you're freezing freezing,

(24:20):
and so we're wading through it and he's like, hey,
we have to find food. So it could be any
kinds of animals. Yes, we're looking for it, or yes, anything,
and so he's like, if you see anything, it counts.
We just want to have it on camera. And so
we're going through and I see something, some animal's carcass

(24:40):
floating and I'm like, there's something and so we go
over to it and flip it over and it's on
the top because it had been exposed to air. It
was a dead sheep and the whole top part of
it had been rotted. And you see this on the episode,
but because the bottom part was under the water, it
was preserved.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So you cut out the meat for so we pulled it.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
To the side. And this is where my skills comes through.
I grew up in Arkansas. I can clean an animals.
Still it's been a while so but still I would
still give me probably a B minus after having not
done it. And to bear, all he knows is I'm
like the nerdy guy who is funny.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, never never been out in the wilderness.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Just and he's like, what we're gonna do here with
this boy? We're going to do here with this sheep
is we're going to clean I was like, oh, I'm
pretty familiar and I know where to go. And he's like, oh, Krocky,
He's like Australia. I was so shocked at the fact
that I knew how to clean this animal. I wouldn't
have because so much was rotted. I wouldn't have thought

(25:38):
the bottom half is preserved. The top half is rotted,
so I wouldn't have thought that. But once he said, hey,
that's fine, then I totally cleaned the bottom half, like
seventy percent of it. I didn't want to get too
close to the rotted meat, but that's all we had
to eat, and that's literally cook it forty hours. We
cooked it and it wasn't great because there was no seasoning.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Or anything, but it was so hungry, so hungry.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
When I tell you that that show is exactly what
it is for forty eight hours, it's exactly what it
is forty eight hours.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I like that though.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
So that was the food that we ate, and then
we made we cooked extra and just kept in our pocket.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I love it beef turkey.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
There is a scene on the very end. If you
go to Disney Plus all this is up. So the
first one that I did in Norway, because I did
two episodes. At the very end, we're standing on this
thing and they bring a helicopter in to get you.
We have to stand on the side of the helicopter
as it goes and like flips around a mountain. We're
standing up, We're standing holding onto the side.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
The shot it was crazy, are you buckled in? At
least we're clipped clipped in?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
But I could still have let go or fallen off
and I would just been dangling by a clip.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That would have been kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
No, yeah, if you would have sold that for the television,
like did you falling at the end, just like hanging
off and eating beef jerkey out.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Of your pocket and cool.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I hate And I was like, I'm never doing this again.
They called me like, we do another episode, absolutely, and
I was like, I don't think so. I don't have
anything else to do, anything else to say, And they
were like, well, we'd love for you because I was
about to launch a show on that go and it'd
be great for you to launch your show. And my
wife was in a good place and she was my
fiance then, and they said I said they want you
to do it with me. And she's extremely athletic, but

(27:15):
she doesn't want to be on TV. And luckily she
had been to her therapists, and her therapist is like,
if you're going to like suffer, like the negative things
from his career and the people, you should also get
take advantage of some of the fun stuff. I just
happened to catch her on.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
A good day. Oh, she did it. She did it.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Our second episode is Me and My wife, like the
Sierra Nevada Mountains.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Was that easier obviously than the other one. I'm thinking
just because weather conditions and stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
We did a lot more high things on that one. Yeah,
that and Norway was water and cold and animals and
this was just coming off the size of high cliffs.
As soon as we land, this bear comes in on
a paraglider and then a helicopter comes in and bear
just clips us. You know how you get on the
rope right the hell the ladder? Ye, he says, hold

(28:01):
onto the ladder. He clipped us one clip to the
ladder and we're flying over the mountains, just hanging off
the ladder. Dude, they do some you don't know, and
they don't tell you what you're gonna do, because you're.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Not just sign away your life. I'm guessing like if
you die, did anybody? Has anybody really been heard on
those things?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I think they're safe because and I want to say
this and and understand how ridiculous is when I say it. Okay,
it's a celebrity show, right, so for the most part
finger quote, celebrities aren't going to agree to do something
where it looks like they might die.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, they're going to die.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, So I was the very bottom of the barrel celebrity.
I get it, but I was still considered that the celebrity.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
So stop stop throwing. Next episode you're going to fight
Kamoto dragons.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Next episode is celebrity Will of Fortune.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
You still have nightmares about when you're in third grade
and you have to go up and spell something and
go spelling.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Huh I was good at spelling.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh well then you'll be fine out will Fortune bad? Bad,
always bad. Are you good at crosswords?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't think i've done enough.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, I mean crosswords throw me for a loop. When
they ask those questions and you're supposed to know how
to answer, I'm like, I have no idea where they're
going with this.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Good jeopardy player. I was quiz Bowl captain from seventh grade.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I could see you being a good jeopardy player.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Okay, what what are you saying, Nerd, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like you looked at me like that.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
So I'm glad you said it. In seventh grade, I
was captain of our twelfth grade team.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
And so I was captain in seventh grade.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Oh yeah, I was done. I was the prodigy for
like three years because I'd be by far the youngest
and dominating seniors, dominating seventh and then as I got older,
I just started to be somebody who was good because
I wasn't always so much younger than everybody else. But yeah,
that was kind of where I got my credit in
school because I was kind of beat up a little bit.

(29:43):
I got to be an okay athlete, like around eleventh
grade my junior year. Not a good athlete, but okay
athlete that I was good for my team, but my
really thrived quizb.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Was it a gifted school for the like a magnet school.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
No, I went to a terrible school to the worst.
I went to bad You didn't depression everybody from Arkans
on that, and you know.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
What better than Australia English. They do sound very familiar.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
At least those accents are kind of the same.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Is there nothing better though than an accent? I mean,
if I could speak in an English accent, I would
be thirty times sexier.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Three best accents go number one.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Australian is definitely up there.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna go British at one.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
British.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
We'll do a draft, so you can't take British now
I got.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Like, okay, then I'll go Australian.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Okay, let's start over number one first.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Overall, pick you take Australian, Okay, I'll take British, and
then I can't pick another one.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
You can't pick one of the two that we picked.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay. French it's just kind of I.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Feel like it's stinky, yeah, stinky cheese. Like I'm going
to go with. This is not going to be a
popular pick.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Let's hear it. German, German, German German speaking English.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I just the accent.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
All I want to do.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
And this is even right, it's Russian. If you die,
you die that all my get mixed up. But I'm
gonna go I like the German accent. Second of all.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Your talents, you're way off.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
And then what's your third accent?

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I think a good country just like deep They were
just doing me as that.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, That's what I'm saying. I like it.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I think it adds a little something to you know,
just not just a normal but Russian. I don't think
I would go with Russian or Middle Eastern, you know.
Sometimes I don't know if I do that either.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
I like a good island, like Jamaican accent.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh good call on that, all right, I'll go. I
like that for you.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
That seems friendly.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That does seem very friendly.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Jamaican seems friendly.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Me try one. I just I don't even do.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Anything other than say mon after everything.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I was rehabilitation for my ankle. I'm still going through
that process where I had surgery on my ankle.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
You're pretty deep into that.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, I think I'm getting close to being done. Yeah,
I'm not running on it still. But have you done
the anti gravity treadmill ever?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's awesome. You get into this.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Thing, you step into two holes and you pull it
up around you kind of like skirt, and then you
zip yourself in and then it blows air. To fill
it up, and so it almost lifts you up off
the ground. And then you do your percentage, and so
I ran on seventy percent yesterday for fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh dude, bag Oh you're getting after it.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, big, big growth.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Who are you blowing?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
My cardio is bad because I haven't been able to
do anything like.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Can I just can I walk it out in an
incline for fifteen minutes? Then once you run.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I was trying to watch my phone while doing it
and knocked it down into the treadmill too. It's in
the middle of it. Yeah, but I'm getting there.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, I'm almost.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
See pickleball's coming. It's right around the corner. Springs come in.
You're gonna be on the pickle ball court again. Just dominating.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Talking a little PTSD about that.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Smack the people that try to write you.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I know, I got a little PTSD about playing pickleball.
My wife thinks I'll get back at it, but I'm like, man,
it sent me back five months.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh you did it while playing pickleball the tournament. I
didn't know that I was playing a tournament. Did you
finish the tournament? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Finished third, gangster. I did it like the second game, played,
the whole tournament, finished third, lost, lost the semi finals,
and then won that the.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
The grudge match for third.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah whatever, what is that called?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Because Olympics too that they're playing for third place. There's
a name for that game. But yeah, I won that game.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
You're so you played for bronze, but you won won
the bronze.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I won the bronze.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Did you have it like wrapped up?

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I didn't want to acknowledge it killed me if I
didn't want to acknowledge it or show anyone else that
I was hurting, So I did not wrap it up.
That's it. The Consolation game. Yeah, so I lost in
the semis to the eventual champion and then won the
Consolation game. It's prodest. It's prodest. Third place metal ever, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's awesome, especially on a hurd ankle, on a herd ankle. Yeah.
How about my.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Buddies was skiing last week. He's literally standing at the
bottom of the hill on his skis waiting for his
family and a fourteen year old snowboarder runs into the
back of.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Him, tears his knee apart. Ncl pcl ACL.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I was like, what day of the trip literally their
first full day skiing.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Was he in like the skiing avenue, I don't know
what you call.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Ski I have no idea where he was, but I
guess he was off to the side, close close to
the lifts down at the bottom, and he was probably
turned around, probably checking his phone or something like that,
waiting for his family. And a fourteen year old snowboarder
came in behind, rolls him up, and then the best.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Part about it, he says, she got up and took
off all didn't wait, didn't say anything, it just left.
I was like, that's pretty good right there. It's a
long recovery, all right?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
What else you got over there? What else do I
guess somewhere?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Good? Oh gosh.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I mean, I'm looking at some of these free agents
coming up, because March eleventh we got free agents, and
I would have to say, when you look at it,
I mean, I don't know whether or not. We talked
a little bit last time about George Pickens being franchised.
He's if he goes to the free agency market, I
think he's going to be highly valued. But Kenneth Walker,
the third, do you even think that Seattle could potentially
let him walk?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Out of the building.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yes, they have Sharbonnay, they have sharbon A, but Charbona's
coming off an ACL injury.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, but I he doesn't catch. He's not good in
the back not Charbonnay, but Kenneth Walker. He's great, by
the way, dynamic. We saw him really play well whenever
it was just his ball, because him and Sharbonay split
snaps a lot this year, I thought, and I think
that because he doesn't really pose a threat out of
the backfield receiving that they could possibly let him go
because just running backs Diamond dozen.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
I don't know if he's a Diamond dozen. He just
was Super Bowl and VP and also the fabric of
who they are offensively. They want to run the rock
and he sets the tone for them. He lose their
leading rusher, touchdowns, yards, everything else. I don't think they
let him walk.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I don't think they do now because he was Super
Bowl MVP. But it was a weird Super Bowl, and
it was a weird Super Bowl MVP where there really
wasn't a player that was dominant. It was who can
we find that actually was the most pretty good?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
He was really good. He rush for over one hundred
and touchdown did he scored a touchdown? He scored?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I don't think he scored a touchdown?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Did he? You better? You better find it, Kevin, hurry up.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
I thought he was just the most pretty good. I
can be wrong.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
No touchdowns, but one hundred and sixty one total yards
total yards total, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
One hundred and sixty one's a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, he deserved the MVP. But because there wasn't there
wasn't a dand out MVP.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah, because Barner was the only one that scored a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
They can't let him go.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You can't, like you, Superowl, Okay, you can't let him go.
Mike Evans, what is Tampa Bay deal? I think you
got to bring him back, like you're not going to
let him walk and go and be on another team.
He's all he had pretty much money, he won reductive Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
So I think it's a contract situation.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
It will be a contract situation. Deebos Emuel's another interesting one.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Deebo Samuel's Body's interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
His body is one hundred percent interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
He looks like a fat guy, but he does not
play like a fat guy.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
He looks like a running back. That's a little bit overweight.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, he looks like James Harden when he wanted to
get traded.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, but he's a hell of a football player.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, I love Debot. How old is Debo though? He's
got to be mid thirties at this point, right, Like,
and he's not a running.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Back, No he's not, but he's so VERTI it's a
hybrid thirty.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
He's only thirty, just turned thirty this year.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I don't think I can sign him to a long
term deal. But he's also not running back thirty because
he's a wide receiver. Right, it's a little and if
you're a hybrid, I think that's thirty three. If you're
a hybrid, that thirty is thirty.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Three, right.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
And then Kyle Shanahan's system that they ran in the
forty nine ers when he shines so bright, it was
because they utilized the skill set, like he wasn't just
a wide receiver. They would put him in the backfield,
they'd run the jet sweeps, they'd let him get the
ball in his hand in space and do great things.
So somebody's got to pick him u and give him opportunity.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Then you got the Tyreek Hill sweepsake.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
So it sounds like they're going to release him and
another guy coming off a major injury. And also, how
motivator are you to go out there and play. I'm
guessing he is motivated because he wants to get back
in the league.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
And show everybody that he's healed.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
But he's another guy that's an interesting wide receiver that'll
be out in the market this year.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
His speed at some point, though, has to start going backward.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Even if it does, he's still going to be from
a four to two to a four to three to
be four to four.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
But a four to four with that size is not
a four to two because he's not a big wide
receiver like he was able to get by because he
was so fast.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Right, But that's the question mark that everybody's going to say, I.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Don't want to on my team. He's a distraction, he's aging,
he's so good, he's coming off. I don't want Tom
on my team. Do you want Tyreek Hill on your team?

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I mean, if he goes out and runs routes like
that and wins off the line, I would love him
to be on my team.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And I put up with that's it. That's it. That's
a big f right.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Now you're the g saying Tyreek Hill says, he'll come
to your team for.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It won't be the same money he was making.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Which was what thirty a year for twenty five.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
If you're a desperate team at the wide receiver position
and you also have the ability to bring in a
superstar wide receiver, that might change the dynamics of that
room and give your quarterback an opportunity to go out
and perform better and your team offensively to be more explosive.
Somebody's gonna take a chance.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
What if you're the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh, I just I've.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Seen too many guys DeVante Adams, like so many guys
Antonio Brown, they all have gone there and the next thing,
you know, because of the character issues and because of
this functional Vegas.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah it's Vegas in Miami's Vegas though, right.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
But that's why he had problems there, even though he
was successful and really productive. I think it was the
same problem when you're disjointed in terms of your management
and who's in charge and everything else, and you do
have a new head coach, but it takes time to
build chemistry as a new head coach with a new
roster and all the different things going on you have
to have strong leadership on that team to bring somebody

(40:04):
in like that who is headstrong and has a strong
personality and has also have some off the field issues
as well.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I think Tyreek to me is James Harden in the NBA.
Like they can be extremely dynamic, but they can also
be so distracting.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yes, because they're because of their personalities.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Jane Carden's been playing really well with Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
By the way, He's a really good basketball player. He is.
I mean, as much as people want to hate on
him and this, he does win.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
He doesn't win the big ones.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
He hasn't won the big one, but he is a
hell of a basketball player.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Kevin, would you want Tyreek Hill on your team?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
No?

Speaker 5 (40:37):
If there is no injury, then probably. But the injury
also scares me that the age, all that isn't worth
it to me.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
How about Tyreek in Kansas City?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
See, I think that's an interesting call.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
I feel like that's the only place he's going to
really be successful again.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Because it's the only place he'll listen and respect. Yes.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, Well, Patrick Patrick Mahomes the Enemy, is back as
their offensive coordinator, who has dealt with him in the
past and been able to suppress some of those things,
and I'm sure he respects the hell out of out
of Andy Reid. And sometimes when you go someplace like
Miami that has some issues and then you come back
to the organization that you left to go chase money,

(41:14):
you have more of an appreciation for what you had before.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
That could be a great fit.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
But if it doesn't work, then you just look look
like you're grabbing old guys with names to try to
make it work.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, but you don't know. If it's not going to work,
he could be come back and be that dude. Again.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
That depends on rec Rice because he keeps getting in
trouble too.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I know, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Do you want to add another character problem and you
already have character problems that we know of, not the
ones that we don't even know about.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I think it always goes back to the GM
and the head coach. How can you manage the situation,
because that's the question that they have to answer at
the end of the day. You can bring in It's
many guys that are skilled and impressive athletes and great
football players, but if it doesn't match the culture that
you're trying to create, and it's more of a distraction
than it is a help on the field, because you
can show up on Sunday and play. We know that,

(42:02):
but it's all the rest of stuff that happens throughout
the week and whether or not you're going to be
available because you did something stupid off the field that
is going to directly impact your team. That's the question
that it comes down to those guys making that final decision.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I'm going to go know on Tyreek, No on Tyreek.
I'm gonna go yes on Pickens. I hope he stays
with the Cowboys because I think he is able to
play with The Cowboys have a lot of veteran leadership there.
They do, and there's somebody even crazier that's an even
better wide receiver, so he can't even he's not even
the best wide receiver on that team.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Ceee Lambas.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yes, I hope Pickings says with Dallas they'll have to
tag him.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I believe that they're going to have to tag him
because he's going to do. Every guy that has a
year like he had is going to want to go
out and test the free agency market to see if
somebody will give him that four year, twenty plus million
dollar deal and see if he can get his bag
of cash. But at the end of the day, for
the Dallas Cowboys, as we talked about before, I don't
think that they're willing to commit long term until they

(42:58):
see that the way that he behaves on game day
and throughout the course of the year is going to
be consistent with somebody that's going to do it long term.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
They did sign Jontay Williams.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Yeah, three years.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Good for him, you know, coming off an injury when
he went over to Dallas, like out of Denver, I
played extremely consistent last year.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
If he was outstanding.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, we have another interview we're gonna play now from
when we were in San Francisco. And so this is
former NFL wide receiver Victor Cruz. Victor played in the
NFL for seven years, had over for three hundred catches
twenty five touchdowns, won the Super Bowl with the Giants

(43:38):
in twenty eleven win they beat the Patriots. Thanks to
Victor for coming in here. He is Victor Cruz. Thanks
for joining us, man.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
No problem, man, thanks for having me. Appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Whenever you got to the league, could you come in
undrafted yep, when you get to the league, when did
you know, oh I can do this.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think it was a two parter.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I think in practice, right, like you get to go
up against the guys. That was my biggest test, like
early on was going up against guys like Terrell Thomas,
Corey Webster, you know, Aaron Ross, Like just measuring my
talent levels up against those guys, seeing if I can
win on route, seeing if my quickness and my ability
was able to win on certain route combos and things
like that. And then I was anxious to do it

(44:17):
against an opposing team or just another team. What we
prepare and we scheme and do the whole you know,
week of practice and do those things. So it was
again the week one against the Jets when I was like,
I did it in practice, Can I do it against
another team when they know it's coming or when they've
prepared for us as well and they can see it coming.
And when I performed against the Jets and in that

(44:39):
first preseason game, I think that's when I knew like, Okay,
I can play at this level and if I stay
focused and stay locked in, I can really have a
good career here.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
You know, in twenty eleven was like your breakout year.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
What was it about that year that made you guys
so exceptional?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Was it the chemistry with Eli?

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Was it certain things that you worked on in terms
of routeriting, like just talk about that year because it
was amazing.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
I think it was a couple of things. I think
it was definitely the connection with Eli. I think for
me specifically, the year before that was a lockout year
and I was the only guy that was local that
Eli could throw with.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And yes, yeah, I was like.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
I remember him calling me and I was like, is
somebody pranking me? Is this Eli on my phone right here?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Like what?

Speaker 6 (45:23):
And he says, come up to Hoboken. I want to
throw And I was like, okay, We're about to go
to some plush football field and Hoboken and like throw
the ball around. Let me bring my cleats, and like bring.
We were in the dog park in front of his
Hoboken establishment, playing catch and throwing the ball around and
people were looking. It was like eight am and people
were looking at us walking their dog like is that
Eli throwing the ball over there? And I think I

(45:46):
got to ask him a hundred questions on how he
likes the routes to be run on, you know, just
understanding that offense a level deeper, and I think that
helped me once I became a start of the following
year that like I already had a leg up and
understanding the offense through his lens and how he wanted
it ran. And in that particular offense, being a slot receiver,
there was a lot going on, a lot of different options.

(46:08):
You got to you almost have to be an extension
of the offensive line when blitzers are coming. You just
have to be aware of what's happening. And that wasn't
always easy. So to have kind of a head start
on that was really really beneficial. So that helped early
on and foremost, and then just the confidence level that
the coaching staff had in me, in us and they

(46:29):
really put their all behind us. Coach Coffin, our receiver coach,
coach gilbrid who was our OC. He really believed in
what he saw in all of us and put that
to the forefront when he was scheming up plays weekend
and week out and putting us in the best positions
to win for elow to hit us and make big plays.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
When we've talked to people about Coach Coughlin. They love them,
but they definitely say it wasn't a player's coach.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
What was he like? You know, the first day he
came in, I never forget.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
He was like, I love all of you, but I'm
gonna treat you all differently. And I was like, okay,
there's one way to go about it. But I love
the guy man. I think he would never he never
hit who he was. He was always a straight shooter.
He always wanted the best for all of us, and
I think he cared. I think, contrary to what it
may have looked like, I think he cared about the

(47:15):
well being of you individually if you were going through something.
I remember I had my injuries and he would come
up and ask me if I was okay, and I
would get scared. I'm like, I'm doing great, I'm coming back,
I'm feeling better this week. And he was like, I
don't care about that, Like, how are you as a person,
how are you emotionally doing? How are you at home?
How's your family dealing with your injury? You being home more?
And he wanted to get to know me. He wanted

(47:36):
to know that stuff. So I think for me, I
love the fact that he was a hard nosed coach.
That's all I ever had leading up to that point
were guys that were expected the most out of you
and would curse you out a little bit if they
need to. And if they didn't curse you out, that
means they didn't love you kind of thing. So I
enjoyed that coaching style, and Coach Coffin brought it each
and every week.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
You know, we talked about that you were undrafted, But
what was it like when you got the phone call
that you made your first Pro Bowl? Because that's a
special honor that not a lot of people to say.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
That was huge. I think that was the biggest thing.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Obviously, coming from winning a Super Bowl the year before,
the next goal was like, all right, let's make a
Pro Bowl and let's be all pro, and like let's
get on that list and to get that phone call.
And this is when the game was still in Hawaii
and it was still helmets and shoulder pads and like
a game, and it was just everything I wanted it
to be. It was you know, I grew up watching
the Pro Bowl. I grew up watching Sean Taylor, the

(48:29):
cleat punters.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
In the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Grew up watching Ray Lewis move around, and just like
it was respected. It was a rite of passage to
go to the Pro Bowl and bring your family in.
Just that whole week was always so special and I
really embraced it and loved it. And to be one
of the guys to say I was a Pro Bowler
was a special moment.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
What's Puerto Rico like?

Speaker 6 (48:50):
It's incredible, man, There's so much energy, so much vibes.
The food is incredible, the beaches are stunning. I think
it's a place where I still have family there. I
still try to go once a year and visit them
and hang out with them. A place where you can
go and do all of the things that you want
to do and all of the things that that you want,

(49:11):
and you'll be in a.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
T shirt the whole or T shirts are optional in
Puerto Rico. You have to wear a T shirt. The
weather's great, so that helps.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
But Puerto Rico is just a special place, and I
think Bad Buddy is going to do a really good
job of bringing us into Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I haveltime with the Super Bowl, Victor, appreciate the time,
no problem.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I love watching you in the league and appreciate your
time here.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Thank you so much. Man go.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Before we go. I liked to say something to all
of our listeners out there. There is something called the zipper.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
You're familiar with the zipper not on the pants, Oh,
the zipper, No.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I'm not whenever you are merging in traffic, okay. And
other countries do it way better than we do in America. Yes,
it is called the zipper. One in one go, one
in one go.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
They're better on the East Coast because of the roundabouts.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
The interest. I was watching some bad zipper today.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
You feel it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Well, some people want to be mother Teresa and let
three people go, just let one. You're not going to
get an award for letting three people go. Then some
people will get right up on the butt if somebody
else and not let.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
A person go, what's worse the person letting three out.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
No, I hate thee.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Because that's worse because there's gonna be accidents, at least
the one with the butt that's up on the butt.
That's annoying. You're not a good person, But there's not
gonna be no accident because no one thinks they can
pull out.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I'm on the opposite side of that.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I hate the people that won't look at you and
just ride the bumper and act like you're not even there,
and you're just like, are you seriously?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I don't like them either.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I want to jump out of the car and beat
the living you know what out of them.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
But I feel like that's safer than the people that
are letting multiples because that second persons like me go
guess break gues break. There's something called a zipper. When
you're going into traffic or you're letting people in traffic,
let one person.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Go, one person in, one person go go.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Let one in, you go the next person, let one in,
they go, don't let two in and don't keep all out.
It's just amazing how incompetent people are on the road.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I sometimes will let two people go. I hope that
we get into a situation.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Where you're trying to come into my lane today and
I'm gonna be like.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I always admire people that will just stick their car
nos out in front, even if a car's coming, Oh.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Yeah, and just like, hey, look if you hit me,
it's on you. I do I do appreciate the aggressive.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Driving, Yeah, I can admire it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I don't do that I don't either. I really don't
want to get my car hit or anything like that,
and I have to deal with that same. Yeah, I'd
just be like, okay, did go.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
So that's what I want to leave you with.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Respect the zipper, Respect the zipper.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
One in, then you go, one in, then you go,
respect the zipper. That's all all right. That's zipp for
this week, my Castle, God bless you. Kick off Kevin,
Brandon Ray and Bobby Bones. We will see you guys
next week. Thanks to Victor Cruz for being on with us,
although he did it like three.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Weeks ago, so yeah, who wants to come back then?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Thanks in the past at Victor Kruz. We will see
you guys next week. We've had lots of say aodbuyer.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
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