January 7, 2026 • 47 mins
Denise Richards guest hosts and spills everything with Caroline Stanbury: Beauty, heartbreak, and life unfiltered. You won’t believe what they reveal.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Miss Spelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey everyone,
welcome to a very special episode of Miss Spelling. I
am Denise Richards, your guest host for today because Tory
is sick, so I'm wishing her a speedy recovery tea.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I hope I make you proud, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
This is my very first time ever hosting a podcast
and I can't be more excited about our guest today.
Our guest is the fabulous the Caroline Standard. She is
a huge reality TV star, she is a beauty guru,
fashion icon, entrepreneur, she's a mother, she's a wife, she's
a friend of mine, and we are going to talk
(00:52):
about everything from beauty, wellness, divores everything, So everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Please welcome Caroline. Hi Carolina.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm so excited that you are my very first guest
hosting any podcasts. And I think our friendship started actually
when I was a guest on your podcast, and I
feel like we became fast friends right away.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We did, and thank you so much for choosing me first.
I can't believe it. And you look beautiful as usual.
You know what you coming on the podcast was so
amazing for me. We clicked straight away, and obviously I'm
a massive fan of Youles likewise Apps.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm so happy to be here today. Thank you, and
hopefully this is the start of many for you.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm excited and Okay, First of all, Caroline is the
person that you go to for everything.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I tell everyone, if you have you do it all.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
If you have a question about someone about beauty, this
or that, wherever in the world, Caroline has the answer
for that person. And also Caroline is very First of all,
she's tiny in person, and she's even more gorgeous. And
I say, if Margot Robbie and Rebecca Romaine.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Had a baby, that's Caroline went away. You look.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I call myself the FIXERX. I've always liked to
fix things for people. I like to make people happy,
maybe too much so. And I like to, you know,
fix things and help people if I can. And you know,
I'm an open book. So I wish more people would,
as I say, pay it forward.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, I think that's what people. White people are so
drawn to you too, besides being so beautiful, and you're
just so approachable and you're so open and honest, and
it's so great and I will say. You are a
true friend that will tell you like it is. After
you had your face lift, you told me I need
(02:58):
to get a face lift.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was like, okay, then you go, no, you.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Need to get a facelift. I go, okay, I'll do
my nut and you go, no, darling, you must.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I did need to work on that. So I
had a facelift this summer.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And Caroline, aside from my family and my publicist of
thirty years, because you always have to tell her everything,
give her a heads up, you're the only other person
that knew.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And so right after my surgery, this was in June,
I sent you pictures right away. I was so scared
to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So you inspee, don't let them out. She was like,
don't let the pictures out. The pictures were amazing. I
still have those pictures and they'll go to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
The grave with me. That I love about you. We
should leak them. Well, I'm unbelievable. I will. You must,
but you are you should be. But that's what I
love about you. She's not a friend that will say, oh, no,
you look good. She's like, no, you have to get it.
And I was like, okay, God, I will.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And I'm so glad I did so thank you and
you are and that's you know, obviously, that's what I
love about you. And also that you share and you're
so open and honest because a lot of people and
that's fine, people can be private about, you know things.
I respect that, but I love that you and you've
inspired me to be more open and honest.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just forthcoming about certain things.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Denise, Denise, I would like you to be a little
less honest than well, there's certain things that you know,
you you walk in and go I'm Denise, and know
that these things have happened to me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm like, oh no, really back.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, you know what, when stuff's out there, it's uh,
I actually it's so much and so bad that I
forget sometimes that you know, and actually, you know what
also right after and a lot of people don't know this.
I haven't mentioned much about my divorce publicly, but Caroline
has been there through it all and privately, you know,
(04:53):
late night talks with you and always checking in and
I really so appreciated that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But it's U.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yours just you've been so supportive, you know, telling me
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Don't listen to this and it's it's really great.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, of course, I mean I think it's as we've
discussed it before. You know, like you're obviously very much
in the public eye, and you know, this is sort
of he's made it scandalous in a way. But actually
he shot himself in the foot. And that's the one
thing I will say is he made it so much.
I don't think anyone really took it on board. It
(05:30):
was just ridiculous. It was just also, you know, it
just didn't it felt a little bit contrived.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He feels a little bit desperate.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And I just think, you know, you remained graceful, which
was the one thing that we said, or you said
you wanted to do and quiet, and you've done that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
There's nothing else you can do. And that's it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's unfortunate that you are so public, but you've handled
it as in the best way I think anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Could thank you. I didn't think it would go the way.
I mean, I don't think anyone did.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And uh, I you know, I really want to get
through my actual divorce and then I will share I
will say over the holidays, this is where it crosses
the line that I learned his family started a go
fund me, which is fine, start whatever you want, but
do not say whatever you want about me, which they have.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'll deal with that after the divorce.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But when you cross the line and bring my youngest
daughter into trying to get money from strangers, that's where
it's it is so so.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't even have it's outrageous so that I think
I think it really crossed. I think it really crossed
the line a bit before that, Denise, to be honest,
a lot of times bring my daughter into it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's ye. Now, yes, not.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Mom of bear comes out, no, But I think you know,
you just have to understand desperate people do desperate.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Things, and you know they are now.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Unfortunately they have nothing to lose, so you know she's
collateral damage at this point. So I don't think anyone's listening.
I think exactly that is. I did read this just now,
and I think I just rolled my eyes. I don't
think it even goes in or you read it and go,
oh my god. I just think you think, what disgusting
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humans bring a child into it, Because we all know
how much you care for your daughter and all the
things you do for.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Everybody around you. I just don't think it sits or
sinks into anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I would just you know, for me, it's not so much,
and I'm so grateful that I have so much support
by so many different people that I haven't even met.
It's more about, you know, it's hard not going through
divorce and the loss of that, but then to discover
who this person really is. That's what is beyond hurtful.
(07:52):
And then to go to this level to bring you know,
my daughter into it. That's it's more a personal thing.
It is shocking, but it's.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like it's like sleeping with you, but you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're not the first, so you know, it's like many
women go through like this, and I always describe as
sleeping with the.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Enemy because you don't see what I said.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, you don't see the real person until the gloves
come off, and you know, at the end of the day,
as I said, not many men stoop to this level.
And that's why I don't think he's gained any traction,
nor do I think anyone feels particularly sorry for him.
And I think that you have gained a lot of
support because you've held your head up. You haven't really
(08:33):
said anything, and you could say a lot, and you've
maintained dignity and continued on and it must be incredibly hard.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But you know you need to also.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Think about your future and all and what you need
to do, which we've discussed and you know, making you start,
which you have and you have to leave that behind
so you can't sit and think about all of those things.
It's the past. Thank oh yeah, god, it's the past.
I just want to get through it. And it's fine
what it is. And you know, I want to see
(09:03):
Denise two point zero with the facelift and the new dating.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Thank you mentally, he is an artist, so I'm very
grateful to him, and thank you to you because you're
the one that really not even you didn't even say
you shit, you were like you have to, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Look, I'm going to clear this up. You were beautiful
before and you're beautiful now. It's just that we are.
I mean, we did this podcast together and we get
Resting Bitch Face.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
This was about it. Yes we did. We did.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We had Resting Bitch Face. And there's not a lot
that you can do with Philla and the other one.
You begin to look on and look at you now,
I mean like aren't you kissing me around so excited?
Why would we wait for this?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I was scared to do it, to.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Be honest, because we've all seen uh, you know, bad facelifts,
and I've never done stuff except you know, on my breast,
which I've talked about. So I was just scared because
I just I just wanted to make sure I look
like myself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You look like wild things, that's what you look like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's looked fetal, for fuck's sake, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now have you always been into all the beauty because
I have since I was a kid basically. Or was
there a shift as you are getting older and you
know that?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Total shift. I wasn't the prettiest at school, for sure.
I had I even had to wear hit gear. I
had freckles, brown hair. I was just everyone's best friend,
and you know, I just never felt I think, you know,
as you get older, obviously you have money to do things,
and I haven't done.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean, obviously I've had a facelift now, but even
before other than you know, even dyeing your hair is
really expensive. When you're young, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I had like plain brown hair and I'm much better
as a blonde. There are just little things that you
can do to yourself. And now I have money, obviously,
and I work. I can do whatever I want to myself.
And I always say, you know, my skin is better,
my hair is better, my teeth, you know, everything that
I've done.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I feel like I look better. I'm turning fifty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This yey, No, I look better now. Yeah, you better
come than I do it did in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's no way. I don't even want to look back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And yeah, it's funny because I, first of all, I
was a fan of yours before I did your podcast,
watching you on Ladies of London.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You are so great and looking at you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Now and you look gorgeous then too, and you are
You're so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
What made you, by the way, decide to start getting
into reality? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean I didn't decide. I said no for a
long time. I had a very big company in my twenties,
late twenties. I spoke called Gift Library and we were doing,
you know, and as ten million dollars a year or
something ridiculous turnover. And the guys came in and they said,
we want you to double it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to
do that, because this is after I raised a lot
of money from a fund. I'm like, how do you
do that?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then I was like, okay, maybe you either buy
a billboard or you go on reality TV.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And they were casting for business women. I didn't know
what house this is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Back in the day, we were one of the first
housewife ladies of London in England and it was reality
TV for us was like the lowest of the low
in my country.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
In our country in England, nobody did it.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think we only had Snookie from whatever Jersey Shore,
so we didn't have anything like you guys had.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And so everyone told me not to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And I was a businesswoman and that you know, I
shouldn't do it, and that's they I said, look, I'll
just try out.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I'm not going to get it. I tried out, I
got it, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I thought to myself, well, I guess it's easier to
get in and to be able to get out then
get you know, then to regret it and try to
go back. And I ended up on the show. And
that's really why I did it, to try and sort
of like boost my business.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
But it really didn't do that. Just took my eye
off the ball, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But anyway, well it did a lot for you and
you also, and this is the thing I love. You
know you've been through a divorce too, and you talk about,
which I think is so inspiring, how you also had
to rebuild after everything. Yeah, and can you share. I
know that you and I've talked privately, but for you know, no.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
No, of course no. I mean I got divorced.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I also married a twenty four year old and I
was in an eight year legal battle for my old company,
which was with my civil liquidata. So that was it
was me or him going bankrupt. And I think when
I ended, I had about twenty five thousand pounds left
in my twenty five thousand dollars left in my account.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean, I was like, I don't know what I'm
going to do. But I always say there's.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Nothing more There's nothing more determined than a woman that
has no choice, right.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And that's what I always say to you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I got back, and I would like to say
today I am the most successful I've ever been. I'm
currently actually developing over fifty million dollars worth of real estate.
I do my you know, my women's retreats where I
teach think, yeah, you've got to come teach women financial
independence and how to get back on their feet. And
(14:25):
I built all of this back with you know, like
literally one hundred thousand dollars to do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It to that scale. I did it. But I mean
I know lots of people that I've taught to do
it on a smaller scale. But what I'm just super proud.
I just super proud of myself when I sit here
today and go, I don't know how this has all happened.
But what I do know is I never sat down.
(14:53):
I just continued some things.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Failed some things when you know, And that's why I'm
so excited for you in that way, because now you've
cut those ties and you don't have anything holding you back.
I believe that in these two point zero will be
more power.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, I do think I do. I do because you
are a grafter.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You're not scared of hard work nor a muk right,
And some people just expect.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Things to happen. They don't.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You have to go knock on every door and how
did you get into doing your retreats? And I'm so
excited you have one coming up in February, in.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The seventeenth of February, which is weird because you know,
that's the day of the Horse.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, and that's my day. Yes, So I wanted I
really want you to come, so basically, and you know
what it means, connections, adventure, new beginnings and like community
and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So it's very weird that I had not picked the
day like this, and I literally picked it because I'm
in lle.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'm so excited for the Year of the Horse. I'm
done with that snake here, I'm done with shutting.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I actually think it's a big one. I really think
it would be good.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
For you want to come, So can you tell me
about what it is? And yeah, again I know you said, well,
but I want everyone else to hear what you're doing.
And it's because I think it's so exciting and how
you started it, because that's the thing that I think
sometimes people do want to do something and they're like, well,
how do I even begin?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I literally just started.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And I remember thinking, because it was a long time
ago that I used to do well when I started
talking on a podcast, obviously, but people started listening, and
I remember one of the husbands of one of my
best friends said Caroline, you should really teach women things
because whenever you talk, people listen, right, And I was like, oh, okay.
I didn't really think about it. And also I had
(16:44):
a bit of a shit time, so I'm like, he's
just gonna want to learn from me. But actually, that's
why they want to learn from you. That's why I
want to bring you to this one because I feel
that your determination and the things that you will teach
these women as well is so important. Those are the
things that make people want to follow you, not because
you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth,
(17:05):
which I was. But I've been up, I've been down,
and I've had every which way, but I didn't give up,
and nobody handed me anything. And I've learned how to
play back the black, play the blanks by the real estate,
ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I've woken up and done some of the biggest deals.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I can't talk about it yet, but I've got some
pretty major deals on the pipeline. If I pull it off,
we're going on holiday. And you know, because I wake
up and I think, fuck, I've just thought about this
great idea. So I teach women Basically a lot of
women sort of either after the divorce becomes stuff, they
get too many ideas and they don't know which way
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to do. I get a lot of like I've got divorce,
I've got no money left, I can't do anything. And
let me tell you, you'd be surprised how much money
you have when you look around your house, because I've
had to do it right. Like look on your walls,
look in your closet. You don't need that bag, you
don't need the watch, you don't need what you can
scrape together. The money distract trust me. I had one
(18:05):
woman who did a coaching call with me, and she's like,
I've got nothing left and he's got everything over the road,
and you know, but I've got all this stuff in
my garage. I'm like, what stuff And she's like, well,
this antique stuff. And I'm like she's like, I can't
let it go, and I'm like, no, No, You've got
to change your mindset, change your mindset, change your life.
What are you holding on for it for? What is
it going to do in there other than gather dust?
(18:28):
Or you can start your new life. You know, maybe
you can get ten thousand dollars out of it, or
five that you know, you can get a mortgage in
America for ten thousand dollars. You can do Section eight housing,
you can do There are so many amazing things side
hustles today that you can get on and start with
no money.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know, look at my branding.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know how I started with even bus the label right,
I just started went out there and started building my
products and now we're on the shopping network right right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't know how. Thank you, but I have no
idea how I do that? Did it?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So it's so we start. No, it's just me and
one other speaker, which is hopefully going to be you
this time, but.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Or you know whoever treatments or is it just it's no,
we did.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We did treatments and things like this and activities, but
everyone asks not to. I love spending the time. So
basically I try and say to you, if you're coming
to this retreat, ladies, try and come on your own,
because I would say to you when you go with
friends too many friends, you kind of get cliquy and
you don't get into it. Everyone gets very nervous. I
have people that come from Australia from you know, Dubai
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from all over the world, so many different nationalities. They've
flown a long way to be there. And I always
choose remote spots so that you're kind of out of
your comfort zone. The Year of the Horse, out of
your comfort zone. And when we get there, we have
a welcome dinner. Everyone's really nervous.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I make a speech. We all get to say.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Then the first day is where I introduce all of
you to each other, okay, and then everyone says what
drew you to the to the retreat. So I'm not
saying that I'm Yoda. I may not have the answer
for you, but someone in that room, well, right, And
you know, you have some women that have made a
lot of money and they want a new life. You know,
they've outgrown the place that they they're from. Maybe their
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friends don't understand them anymore. There's a lot of women
that want community and connection. And I think when you're
out of your comfort zone, you're an insertain age. And
you've answered something like this. Everyone's taken a big risk
to be there. Everybody is in it, right, So we're
going to you know, and this one is in Sequoia,
so with the big trees and it's got this. I've
(20:39):
always oh, I've always wanted to do the vans. You
know what they call the silver streets air streets, yeah,
air streams.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
That said, I've always wanted to do these.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And so every night we do a different dinner than
we meet everybody individually. And while I'm doing that, the
ladies get to know each other, and then we have
a round table where we're all in the same room
and we all discuss why what drew people there, and
then we sort of say you can sort of either
men what they were asking the question that they wanted
(21:11):
to ask, or a lot of the women want to
do business together or want to make a life change,
move country, or some of them want to know how
to get started. So one woman wanted to start buying
real estate over here, so she actually I got her.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I introduced her to everyone.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Some people just want connections, you know, all very very different,
but it's it's a community of women and they all
stayed in contact, and yeah, it's it's sold out every
single time. So I guess we're doing something right. And
I think it's only going to get bigger, to be honest,
and actually, I think you'd be great at it.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And in it. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I know, I love it and I love how
much it's grown for you in such a short and
you've only been doing it for a couple two a
couple of years, right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
This is my second year.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I was I was scared to do it because I
was thinking, you know what if nobody turns up? Right
then the women that turned up too, one woman was
running for Congress, one woman. You know, we had like
loads of designers, lots of one woman that had restaurants
in Mexico, one woman that had beautiful clinics in LA
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and they all just wanted to either. You know, just
sometimes when you've run a business for a very long time,
you get tired and you just don't see the woods
through the trees, right. And other women have grown it
and may have ideas or can take you from A
to B. And I think it's just it's like a
think tank too.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know, I can't wait to go and experience because
I've heard about it from you first.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So you're in a great You're in a great position
because you really are somewhere right now that you get
to choose. You're in like a sliding doors moment you
can go left or you can go right and no,
but it's really exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm excited. I'm excited for rush start now do Sergio
will go with you to the retreat.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I wasn't going to have him ever, and I was
very strong about it. But he did come with me
because the cameraman couldn't come to the second one, and
he's like, look, I'll just do it, but they won't
even notice I'm there.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So he always yeah, I know, he was never he's
not in the one on one Bravo Khan.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Caroline and I we are in line and people are
coming to see us and Sergio all the women running
up to him taking pictures with him.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It was really cute. He's so sweet. Well, that's where
it happened. When I'm doing the one on one, the
ladies love talking to it because Sergio also does a
lot of social media. He does all this stuff for me, right,
and a lot of women don't know how to do this.
So he ended up putting it down that if you
guys want to speak to him about marketing and how
to set up your reels and all the things he
(23:54):
does for me, whilst I'm on the one on ones
that he didn't mind doing that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
He was more full than me.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Every single woman both time with him, I was like,
oh my god, he goes No. I meant just like
four or five of them, you know, twenty six of
them booked in. He was busy as anything helping them
redesign their page of it. Yeah, and he's so so
like supportive and so helpful. And you know, there's not
a lot of attention around your guys is the age difference.
(24:23):
And I have to say, being around Caroline and her husband,
you don't even there is no age.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It is so you guys have such a connection. It's
so it's infectious being around you both. It's you guys.
It's lovely.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I love it well, we're best friends and we do
everything together.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's just, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Don't I even hate saying it because I'm also one
of those very pragmatic people like I. You know, you
and I talk about because I always go, you know, look,
who knows what will happen in the future. You know,
who knows? As I get much older, maybe things change,
you renegotiate things.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't know what the future looks like.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Because I see it every day because I've interviewed so
many couples over the years, and look, you know, a
couple of years ago, you thought you were in life.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
It's like, shit happens.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So I don't want to be the stupid woman that
goes you know, everything's perfect and then suddenly gets a
giant slap around our face. But you know, for now
everything is perfect, right, and you know, and now it's
good enough, you know what I mean? Like that is
what I was saying to you, like I don't know why.
And it's funny that we get so lost in our
relationships because you know, every ending is a new beginning, right.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And even you know, my relationship with Charlie, I don't
see that as a failure or it was our journey.
We were mented it be together for our daughters. And
by the way some people thought when I said in
his documentary that I love Charlie, I don't love them
(25:58):
in a way romantically. I love them as the father
of my daughters. I'm always gonna have that connection with him.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I it's the same thing like you have you
and your ex are always gonna have that bond with
your kids, and now did you how was the transition
with blending.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And I know everyone else, Yeah, because it's hard to
blend your.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Family when you're you know, no, I mean, anyone that
says it's easy, it's not, you know, I mean. And
and just because it's like you, Denise, I mean, you've
just got your relationship ship back with Charlie and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We've actually always over the years, it's just uh, he's
been really quiet, trying to get things back going. But
you know, we've had our ups and downs, trust me,
over the years, but we've we've been good.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
For a while actually yeah. Yeah, but when it's fad,
it was bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, So you know, that's that's the thing. You know,
you just some days it's really good.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Some days it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The kids, you know what the problem with kids is.
What happens is they carry things back between the house that.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
They don't even know. They're saying. You can't say to them, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Tell Daddy you saw this or you know, or don't
tell mommy you saw this in the house. And were
when you and Sergio got together, they must have been
eight or nine, that's ages two. Yeah, So and Yasmin
of course, so that's the boys.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So Yasmin's whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Twelve, so you know, eleven, it's a very difficult age
and she understood a lot more than the boys obviously.
And you know, look, we're all in a really good
place right now, and it's we've surpassed it, thank god.
But I don't wish it on anyone. Blending a family
together is not easy. I don't care who you are.
And there's no child that goes, oh, this is great.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I love my new dad. It's very true.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And that's the thing, right that, just when women ask me,
were trying to maintain a relationship with Charlie, And you know,
I've always been one that it's not the kid's fault
that we split. I would never talk badly about Charlie,
to the point where the kids were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like, why didn't you tell me this about I don't.
It's not my place. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I want you to discover your own relationship and it's
not fair for me to put my feelings about our
relationship onto you kids. So and that's a very I
think hard thing to navigate when you're going through divorce,
not letting out of the kids.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's so involved in knowing things especially well again, yeah,
I was about to say, you're in a very different predicament.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I wasn't that public.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean, not public enough that they were digging that
deep into my eggs or those kind of things. I mean,
you were married to one of the most famous men
on the planets at the time, so you know, obviously
shielding your children from that. I don't know how you
do that, I really don't. So you know, that's all
you can do. All you can do is tell your
(29:02):
children he's a good father, he's a good person, he's
doing his best, and that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's what we all do.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Because I always say, in any marriage, and that's what
I wish more people understood, there is no such well,
if you have children, there is no such word as
divorce because divorce has such a finite sort of connotation
to children. It feels like someone's died, right, So you're
not you can never divorce them. You're going to children's parties,
(29:31):
you're going to graduations, you're going to weddings. You're like,
it's not like walking away. You can't walk away from
the father of your children, no matter how much want to.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
As soon as that hits you and you really take
that in. There is no leaving the father of your
children regardless. I think it becomes a lot easier because
you just have to go.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Exactly and it makes it it's best for the kids
to keep the peaceful as possible and.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Not and you and who for the rest of your life.
You know what I mean. It's not going away, that's
not true. It's not like an.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Ex boyfriend you go, oh, you know, fuck you, I
never ever see you again. You do, you do, you
absolutely do. Unless you're not going to the graduation, You're
not going to the parties, you're not going to the
bum mitzvah's, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
You know, you do.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So at the end of the day, you need to
get used to that. And that's was when that hit me.
It was actually so freeing because I was like, oh, okay,
it's only me that's going to get upset.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I remember I had a huge fight with my ex
husband just before one of my sons, my son's bum
mitzvah over.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Here, and I was like, that's it, I'm not going.
I called my parents.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm like, none of us are going, and my mom
just said to me, well, there's your pictures for the
rest of your life, right, you know, and he's going
to be there, and his family's going to be there.
The children are all there, and you're gonna be the
only one. But we won't go, none of us will go.
If that's what you want, we'll respect it, but you're
going to regret it. So I got dressed, danced on
(31:09):
stage with him, took all the pictures, made the speeches,
and went home and then said, that's what you do.
You know what I mean, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You suck it up, get through it, and then you can.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Suck it up. Friendly with each other.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Are they ever around each other at any kids events
or holidays.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Or anything, Well, I mean, my ex think Sergio is
a kid, so like that's how he treats him. So
we just laugh because you know, like when he comes over,
he like orders our food, he's like, you know, and
and it's just very funny.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So I think we've just got used to it. And
Sergio kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Lets him lead, and which is kind of, I guess,
an easier dynamic. And I think I always think of
it if my ex husband was faced with another adult
telling him what to do. I think maybe that would
be hard of him, as he doesn't consider Sergio an adult,
or he probably does now, but back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
In the day, he didn't. You know, I think it
was just the easier dynamic. He'd be like, oh well.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
He probably thought, Okay, it's gonna last, she's gonna have
her fun and one.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hundred and he was like, well watch this exactly, let's
watch this explode, showing along with half the world.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's all right.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I was, you know, forty three, having a midlife crisis.
To all my friends, they were like, uh, that's one
that you jump on and jump off.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And how did you guys meet? And were you right
away wanting to go out with him or did he
have to did it take some convincing? How long were
you separated? So I was separated, we'd agree to do whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We wanted for the summer kind of thing. My ex
and I. I was living downstairs, he was living upstairs.
But look, when I met Sergio, I actually thought of
him for a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I was in Newport Beach and he was in the audience.
But I think we just and because I wasn't looking
for myself at that point, I really really did think
of him. My girlfriend's going to know exactly what I'm
talking about. But she didn't really fancy him, but I
was like, oh, he's hot. I don't think I thought
(33:24):
about it that clearly, and I just think so, I
think the connection was there. We just started talking, you know,
and we just talked and talked and talked, and I
just think that, you know, I wasn't looking him at
him that way, and I wasn't looking particularly yes, so
you're kind of like in that place where you're just
it just hits you, I suppose. And then when I
(33:46):
did find out his age, I was like, oh, no,
this is not happening. I actually sent him on a
date with another girl, and which is hilarious. And we're
all good friends now, and I just I don't know.
I guess we're soulmates somehow. I broke up with him,
and everyone used to think I trapped him. I didn't
(34:06):
trap Sergio. Sergio trapped me. I broke up with him
a million times.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know. And I don't know if you heard him
or when we were at Brabl Khan he said something
he said, and it's true.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I think he said, the man has.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
To love the woman more than the woman loves the man,
and it's like, I love that he knows that.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You know, and it's so true, so true, all of
you ladies men out there, It is true.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The man must you a little love, must love you
a little more than you love him. My mom taught
me that too, and I didn't know the meaning of
that until now. I think.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I love how supported you guys are of each other
and secure with each other.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Were you and your ex that way too?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, not like this, like I'm super relaxed and we're
super comport. Look, he was so excited when you when
he first met you, remember he was he just he
was like yanked me, Yeah, so cute, and you were like, oh,
do you mind.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm like, I don't care at all, Like I love you,
you know, and I am secure in myself.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I feel that. That's what I always say. You can't
hold on by holding on, No, you can't. No.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So if someone's going to do something, they're going to
do it regardless of anything, right, and it's in their nature.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's not if you're looking. You're looking. So I feel
I know the way I see him, the way we
are together every day.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I feel his phone is open I can pick it
up anytime, you know, when someone's being a bit dodgy.
You know, all of these things, I've never felt that
I've needed to question anything with him. And you know, again,
I've always said to him, I only want to be
with someone that wants to be with me. I don't
want to have to chase someone around wondering where they are.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
How awful would that be?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I also love that he lets you shine, and
he Tully's really like, genuinely, really proud watching him with
you and watching people come up to you and take
photos with you. It's so genuine, it's really it's unusual
actually from from my experience.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, it's different, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Like again, I think all of these things work because
of the age difference, right, I think as a as
a man that's the same age you can have competition
with each other.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I thought mine was supportive.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I learned more about him during this divorce, so it's
refreshing to see that Sergio is so supportive of you.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I thought you were, you know, I have watching him back.
I thought he was supportive. I mean a little bit odd,
but I thought he was supportive.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think he was supportive for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Actually, well, I mean, now we all know I found
out really is after but whatever. Yeah, but like again again,
I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but thank god,
oh thank god, more more damage has been done.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I learned relatively about him and who he really is.
That I think was the hardest thing for me is
that finding the deep betrayal is unlike I can't I
don't even have words for it. It's almost numbing. So
that's been the hardest thing.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I truly think it's so scary and I don't want
to say it, but like I you know, I'm sure
you have been to the bathroom and scrubbed yourself a
million times. It's just get the man off me.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, no, I feel like he's a stranger. I feel
he didn't love me at all or even like me.
Quite frankly, you.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, let's just pray, let's just pray he did at
the beginning, Okay, well just when the first six months.
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's not
like your liver. I just I can't you like.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
To do what he did publicly and the stuff he
has said about me is desperate. I know that you
don't do that to someone that you even remote. I
wouldn't do that to an enemy, let alone someone that he's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Nine years he hasn't got to it was it nine years.
We were married six and a half, but we were
together nine years, Denise. He never got a job in
all that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yes, he had a job, he had a business, and
so I don't understand all this. We were you know,
we got married in our forties. So anyway, that's a
whole I will talk more about this when my divorce
is final. Okay, let's get divorced and then we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Hopefully very soon.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Ship yeah, oh my gosh, really quickly though we were
not going to say who it is.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Caroline. It was good for everyone. She wanted to set
me up with someone, but she was.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Like, we can't tell him who you are because I'm like, well,
I don't want to just tell them. Just meet me
and be like what fu didn't you tell me it's her.
She's like, no, darling, no, you google you and no
that that is the red flag and they're not gonna
well you know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I'm like, that's why I love you. You're so honest.
I'm like, okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm so used to how bad the ship is out
there about me, and I'm like, I'm like, it's just nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But but you're like on paper it's bad darky. Oh
he has to meet you at person and get to
know you. We can't tell anyone I know who you
are when we set them up with you.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Even my friends came to lunch, they were like, oh,
she's so lovely. We weren't expecting that. And I said,
I told you, like, I'm I'm a good egg.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I pick. I've got to do nothing. I picked. I
pick good people.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And you know, I was like, Denise, with older respect, with.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Respect, you're very blood sugar coat. That's what I love
about your British ass. And that is why it's so
funny and why there I love you because you're just
you know, when you say something nice and complimentary, I
believe you because you don't hold back with anything that
could be perceived as bone.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Denise.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Denise said to me one day that she wants to
do her and I crossing America and like, you know,
like a Paris and Nicole, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Uh, no money.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And I grew up in with a silver silver spoon,
and you grew up around castles in England. The castle
I saw growing up was a Disneyland, you know, so
I want to see how.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You really grew up and you can see how I grow. Yeah,
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
But one thing that you did say was somehow I
know I'm going to be carrying your.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Bags and and being your bitch.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And she would by the way she would carry her bags,
you could be fakep Yeah, for sure, your hair out.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think we could. We've talked about so long.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh before I forget to we have to talk about Traders.
You are on one of my very favorite reality shows, Traders.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You and I talked.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Probably I'm so excited to see you on there.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You're so perfect for the show. So it starts. It
airs tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The eighth, but I'm coming to LA for the whole
month of February, so I'm going to see I'm excited.
You'll stuck with me for a while for the reunion
as well, so that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But it was one of the best experiences of my life.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I loved every minute of it, and it was really
essentially my summer holiday because it took place in June
and I was locked in a castle. So it was
really fun.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Now if you can't say this, that's fine. Do you
stay in the castle that we see on TV?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Okay, okay?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Is the breakfast is that looks on television? Because my
dad's a breakfast person. And as soon as I saw
an episode of the show, I call my dad, I go,
you gotta watch Traders because that spread they have in
that castle. I want to do the show just for
the breakfast.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Let's just put that out there. If anyone's listening. Denise
Terrible want to be on well, that's for.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Sure, traitors so that she can have the breakfast. Yes,
you you will be like you know who really made
me laugh? Because actually I will. I don't know if
I can say. I can't say this, Tara, she used
to go, She's to ask everybody who's talking about me?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Who's talking about me? And I?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Tara, Tara, it's traitors. Everybody's talking about you. Everybody is
talking about you. Everybody's talk about everybody. Let's just put
it there. You have to go in and not be sensitive.
I don't know if you're sensitive?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Are you kidding me? Look at what is that about me?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't I I can't.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Even you could say anything.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
When you're in the same house, when you're in the
same house together, you take it.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh yeah, I don't. I mean, I've had the worst.
You might be here.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I don't know what the stuff that has just said
about me just in the last six months.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's I know, all right, whatever I did tell you
not to google yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I don't know myself. It's it's pretty it's my ex
saying that stuff. So I'm dealing with court stuff, so
I kind of know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I have to read it. Well, I would say, I
do think you should go in.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I think if anyone is listening, if the traits ferries
are out, they actually did.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Ask me to do it.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It was I had already committed though, uh to Special Forces.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So oh yeah you should have done this. Yeah that's true.
We can do it as well. Get on and do it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Denise, you'd be absolute TV gold and take take the
jacket with you.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm going to take my jacket anyway. Well, I did
not have an affair, by the way with the guy
from Special.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean, there you go. I've got a divorce. But
I never thought after I wrapped that.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Show, so oh that's all right, everybody we all have
nice male friends. You're allowed a male bloody friend. Everyone
is loud to friend. That's ridiculous. I have brothers.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
We all can have well, but.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
It's I mean, whatever it was. You know, I was
trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well there you different different. I didn't do any that.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Look, I would like to say that women and men,
when you're at the end of anything and nothing, when
you've had a long term relationship ends beautifully, one persons
before the other, and you do the best you can.
That's it, right, And I don't think you owe anyone
in explanation.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
No, no, no, I mean I question didn't even have said that,
but whatever, And it's not the reason why I got divorced,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And by the way, blood you wish you had run
off with somebody at this point, me too. Yeah, so
I don't think, especially since.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I found out my ex. It's funny like when you
split with someone, everyone comes out of the woodwork and
a girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
He didn't have a girlfriend. He definitely there was multiple. Thanks, yeah,
not girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I would exactly call it whatever, Yes, a.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Multiple, fantastic fantastic.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, but usually when someone maps accusing someone over and
over and over.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
It's a mira exactly, it's a mira.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But you know again, you can beat yourself up and
go how stupid was I?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Or you can just say you know you trusted and no.
It gives me such clarity.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
If there's ever, if there was ever I want, there
has never been that during this I've learned more during
the divorce than I did, you know, during the marriage.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
So it's actually I'm in a very good place. I
always say the biggest lies are in marriages. It's amazing
how good.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
People can become a lying Oh yeah, one person they're
meant to love the most. It is scary, It is
very scary. Yeah, but you know again, we've discussed this.
You won't do it again.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I'm never gonna get married, and I anyone that says
never say never. And I wish I had something that
my mom and dad had. They were married until my
mom passed away. I will never have that because I
will never get married again.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And that's okay, That is okay. I chose I like
partner with that, but I will never get married again.
And more and more women, by the way, it' choosing
that life anyway, So you.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Know, yeah, exactly, thank you, But I need some time
before I get into a relationship.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, you need a minute. I want to at least
be divorced, Chris, Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Thank you so much for my dear dear friend for
being my very first guest of my very first posting
of a podcast.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And I couldn't have a better guest.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
I'm so proud of you, and I'm so excited for you,
and I'm really excited to see what's next for Denise.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I don't wait to come and spend February with you,
and thank you for having me as your very first.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Thank you, and thank you for Torri for you know
whoever had the idea to ask me to host Tom
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yes I'm a massive Tory fan too that she's been
through it, so sending my love.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Thank you so much for hosting me. Than thank you,
thank you, I love you. Thank you than you. Bye.
Miss Spelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey everyone,
welcome to a very special episode of Miss Spelling. I
am Denise Richards, your guest host for today because Tory
is sick, so I'm wishing her a speedy recovery tea.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I hope I make you proud, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
This is my very first time ever hosting a podcast
and I can't be more excited about our guest today.
Our guest is the fabulous the Caroline Standard. She is
a huge reality TV star, she is a beauty guru,
fashion icon, entrepreneur, she's a mother, she's a wife, she's
a friend of mine, and we are going to talk
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about everything from beauty, wellness, divores everything, So everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Please welcome Caroline. Hi Carolina.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm so excited that you are my very first guest
hosting any podcasts. And I think our friendship started actually
when I was a guest on your podcast, and I
feel like we became fast friends right away.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We did, and thank you so much for choosing me first.
I can't believe it. And you look beautiful as usual.
You know what you coming on the podcast was so
amazing for me. We clicked straight away, and obviously I'm
a massive fan of Youles likewise Apps.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm so happy to be here today. Thank you, and
hopefully this is the start of many for you.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm excited and Okay, First of all, Caroline is the
person that you go to for everything.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I tell everyone, if you have you do it all.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
If you have a question about someone about beauty, this
or that, wherever in the world, Caroline has the answer
for that person. And also Caroline is very First of all,
she's tiny in person, and she's even more gorgeous. And
I say, if Margot Robbie and Rebecca Romaine.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Had a baby, that's Caroline went away. You look.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I call myself the FIXERX. I've always liked to
fix things for people. I like to make people happy,
maybe too much so. And I like to, you know,
fix things and help people if I can. And you know,
I'm an open book. So I wish more people would,
as I say, pay it forward.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, I think that's what people. White people are so
drawn to you too, besides being so beautiful, and you're
just so approachable and you're so open and honest, and
it's so great and I will say. You are a
true friend that will tell you like it is. After
you had your face lift, you told me I need
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to get a face lift.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was like, okay, then you go, no, you.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Need to get a facelift. I go, okay, I'll do
my nut and you go, no, darling, you must.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I did need to work on that. So I
had a facelift this summer.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And Caroline, aside from my family and my publicist of
thirty years, because you always have to tell her everything,
give her a heads up, you're the only other person
that knew.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And so right after my surgery, this was in June,
I sent you pictures right away. I was so scared
to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So you inspee, don't let them out. She was like,
don't let the pictures out. The pictures were amazing. I
still have those pictures and they'll go to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
The grave with me. That I love about you. We
should leak them. Well, I'm unbelievable. I will. You must,
but you are you should be. But that's what I
love about you. She's not a friend that will say, oh, no,
you look good. She's like, no, you have to get it.
And I was like, okay, God, I will.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And I'm so glad I did so thank you and
you are and that's you know, obviously, that's what I
love about you. And also that you share and you're
so open and honest because a lot of people and
that's fine, people can be private about, you know things.
I respect that, but I love that you and you've
inspired me to be more open and honest.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just forthcoming about certain things.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Denise, Denise, I would like you to be a little
less honest than well, there's certain things that you know,
you you walk in and go I'm Denise, and know
that these things have happened to me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm like, oh no, really back.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, you know what, when stuff's out there, it's uh,
I actually it's so much and so bad that I
forget sometimes that you know, and actually, you know what
also right after and a lot of people don't know this.
I haven't mentioned much about my divorce publicly, but Caroline
has been there through it all and privately, you know,
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late night talks with you and always checking in and
I really so appreciated that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But it's U.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yours just you've been so supportive, you know, telling me
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Don't listen to this and it's it's really great.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Well, of course, I mean I think it's as we've
discussed it before. You know, like you're obviously very much
in the public eye, and you know, this is sort
of he's made it scandalous in a way. But actually
he shot himself in the foot. And that's the one
thing I will say is he made it so much.
I don't think anyone really took it on board. It
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was just ridiculous. It was just also, you know, it
just didn't it felt a little bit contrived.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He feels a little bit desperate.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And I just think, you know, you remained graceful, which
was the one thing that we said, or you said
you wanted to do and quiet, and you've done that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
There's nothing else you can do. And that's it is
what it is.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's unfortunate that you are so public, but you've handled
it as in the best way I think anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Could thank you. I didn't think it would go the way.
I mean, I don't think anyone did.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And uh, I you know, I really want to get
through my actual divorce and then I will share I
will say over the holidays, this is where it crosses
the line that I learned his family started a go
fund me, which is fine, start whatever you want, but
do not say whatever you want about me, which they have.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'll deal with that after the divorce.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But when you cross the line and bring my youngest
daughter into trying to get money from strangers, that's where
it's it is so so.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't even have it's outrageous so that I think
I think it really crossed. I think it really crossed
the line a bit before that, Denise, to be honest,
a lot of times bring my daughter into it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's ye. Now, yes, not.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Mom of bear comes out, no, But I think you know,
you just have to understand desperate people do desperate.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Things, and you know they are now.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Unfortunately they have nothing to lose, so you know she's
collateral damage at this point. So I don't think anyone's listening.
I think exactly that is. I did read this just now,
and I think I just rolled my eyes. I don't
think it even goes in or you read it and go,
oh my god. I just think you think, what disgusting
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humans bring a child into it, Because we all know
how much you care for your daughter and all the
things you do for.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Everybody around you. I just don't think it sits or
sinks into anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I would just you know, for me, it's not so much,
and I'm so grateful that I have so much support
by so many different people that I haven't even met.
It's more about, you know, it's hard not going through
divorce and the loss of that, but then to discover
who this person really is. That's what is beyond hurtful.
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And then to go to this level to bring you know,
my daughter into it. That's it's more a personal thing.
It is shocking, but it's.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Like it's like sleeping with you, but you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're not the first, so you know, it's like many
women go through like this, and I always describe as
sleeping with the.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Enemy because you don't see what I said.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, you don't see the real person until the gloves
come off, and you know, at the end of the day,
as I said, not many men stoop to this level.
And that's why I don't think he's gained any traction,
nor do I think anyone feels particularly sorry for him.
And I think that you have gained a lot of
support because you've held your head up. You haven't really
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said anything, and you could say a lot, and you've
maintained dignity and continued on and it must be incredibly hard.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But you know you need to also.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Think about your future and all and what you need
to do, which we've discussed and you know, making you start,
which you have and you have to leave that behind
so you can't sit and think about all of those things.
It's the past. Thank oh yeah, god, it's the past.
I just want to get through it. And it's fine
what it is. And you know, I want to see
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Denise two point zero with the facelift and the new dating.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Thank you mentally, he is an artist, so I'm very
grateful to him, and thank you to you because you're
the one that really not even you didn't even say
you shit, you were like you have to, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Look, I'm going to clear this up. You were beautiful
before and you're beautiful now. It's just that we are.
I mean, we did this podcast together and we get
Resting Bitch Face.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
This was about it. Yes we did. We did.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We had Resting Bitch Face. And there's not a lot
that you can do with Philla and the other one.
You begin to look on and look at you now,
I mean like aren't you kissing me around so excited?
Why would we wait for this?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I was scared to do it, to.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Be honest, because we've all seen uh, you know, bad facelifts,
and I've never done stuff except you know, on my breast,
which I've talked about. So I was just scared because
I just I just wanted to make sure I look
like myself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You look like wild things, that's what you look like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's looked fetal, for fuck's sake, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now have you always been into all the beauty because
I have since I was a kid basically. Or was
there a shift as you are getting older and you
know that?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Total shift. I wasn't the prettiest at school, for sure.
I had I even had to wear hit gear. I
had freckles, brown hair. I was just everyone's best friend,
and you know, I just never felt I think, you know,
as you get older, obviously you have money to do things,
and I haven't done.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean, obviously I've had a facelift now, but even
before other than you know, even dyeing your hair is
really expensive. When you're young, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I had like plain brown hair and I'm much better
as a blonde. There are just little things that you
can do to yourself. And now I have money, obviously,
and I work. I can do whatever I want to myself.
And I always say, you know, my skin is better,
my hair is better, my teeth, you know, everything that
I've done.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I feel like I look better. I'm turning fifty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This yey, No, I look better now. Yeah, you better
come than I do it did in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's no way. I don't even want to look back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And yeah, it's funny because I, first of all, I
was a fan of yours before I did your podcast,
watching you on Ladies of London.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You are so great and looking at you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Now and you look gorgeous then too, and you are
You're so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
What made you, by the way, decide to start getting
into reality? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean I didn't decide. I said no for a
long time. I had a very big company in my twenties,
late twenties. I spoke called Gift Library and we were doing,
you know, and as ten million dollars a year or
something ridiculous turnover. And the guys came in and they said,
we want you to double it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to
do that, because this is after I raised a lot
of money from a fund. I'm like, how do you
do that?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then I was like, okay, maybe you either buy
a billboard or you go on reality TV.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And they were casting for business women. I didn't know
what house this is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Back in the day, we were one of the first
housewife ladies of London in England and it was reality
TV for us was like the lowest of the low
in my country.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
In our country in England, nobody did it.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think we only had Snookie from whatever Jersey Shore,
so we didn't have anything like you guys had.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And so everyone told me not to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And I was a businesswoman and that you know, I
shouldn't do it, and that's they I said, look, I'll
just try out.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I'm not going to get it. I tried out, I
got it, and then.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I thought to myself, well, I guess it's easier to
get in and to be able to get out then
get you know, then to regret it and try to
go back. And I ended up on the show. And
that's really why I did it, to try and sort
of like boost my business.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
But it really didn't do that. Just took my eye
off the ball, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But anyway, well it did a lot for you and
you also, and this is the thing I love. You
know you've been through a divorce too, and you talk about,
which I think is so inspiring, how you also had
to rebuild after everything. Yeah, and can you share. I
know that you and I've talked privately, but for you know, no.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
No, of course no. I mean I got divorced.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I also married a twenty four year old and I
was in an eight year legal battle for my old company,
which was with my civil liquidata. So that was it
was me or him going bankrupt. And I think when
I ended, I had about twenty five thousand pounds left
in my twenty five thousand dollars left in my account.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean, I was like, I don't know what I'm
going to do. But I always say there's.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Nothing more There's nothing more determined than a woman that
has no choice, right.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And that's what I always say to you.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I got back, and I would like to say
today I am the most successful I've ever been. I'm
currently actually developing over fifty million dollars worth of real estate.
I do my you know, my women's retreats where I
teach think, yeah, you've got to come teach women financial
independence and how to get back on their feet. And
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I built all of this back with you know, like
literally one hundred thousand dollars to do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It to that scale. I did it. But I mean
I know lots of people that I've taught to do
it on a smaller scale. But what I'm just super proud.
I just super proud of myself when I sit here
today and go, I don't know how this has all happened.
But what I do know is I never sat down.
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I just continued some things.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Failed some things when you know, And that's why I'm
so excited for you in that way, because now you've
cut those ties and you don't have anything holding you back.
I believe that in these two point zero will be
more power.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, I do think I do. I do because you
are a grafter.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
You're not scared of hard work nor a muk right,
And some people just expect.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Things to happen. They don't.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You have to go knock on every door and how
did you get into doing your retreats? And I'm so
excited you have one coming up in February, in.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The seventeenth of February, which is weird because you know,
that's the day of the Horse.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, and that's my day. Yes, So I wanted I
really want you to come, so basically, and you know
what it means, connections, adventure, new beginnings and like community
and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So it's very weird that I had not picked the
day like this, and I literally picked it because I'm
in lle.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'm so excited for the Year of the Horse. I'm
done with that snake here, I'm done with shutting.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I actually think it's a big one. I really think
it would be good.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
For you want to come, So can you tell me
about what it is? And yeah, again I know you said, well,
but I want everyone else to hear what you're doing.
And it's because I think it's so exciting and how
you started it, because that's the thing that I think
sometimes people do want to do something and they're like, well,
how do I even begin?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I literally just started.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And I remember thinking, because it was a long time
ago that I used to do well when I started
talking on a podcast, obviously, but people started listening, and
I remember one of the husbands of one of my
best friends said Caroline, you should really teach women things
because whenever you talk, people listen, right, And I was like, oh, okay.
I didn't really think about it. And also I had
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a bit of a shit time, so I'm like, he's
just gonna want to learn from me. But actually, that's
why they want to learn from you. That's why I
want to bring you to this one because I feel
that your determination and the things that you will teach
these women as well is so important. Those are the
things that make people want to follow you, not because
you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth,
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which I was. But I've been up, I've been down,
and I've had every which way, but I didn't give up,
and nobody handed me anything. And I've learned how to
play back the black, play the blanks by the real estate,
ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I've woken up and done some of the biggest deals.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I can't talk about it yet, but I've got some
pretty major deals on the pipeline. If I pull it off,
we're going on holiday. And you know, because I wake
up and I think, fuck, I've just thought about this
great idea. So I teach women Basically a lot of
women sort of either after the divorce becomes stuff, they
get too many ideas and they don't know which way
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to do. I get a lot of like I've got divorce,
I've got no money left, I can't do anything. And
let me tell you, you'd be surprised how much money
you have when you look around your house, because I've
had to do it right. Like look on your walls,
look in your closet. You don't need that bag, you
don't need the watch, you don't need what you can
scrape together. The money distract trust me. I had one
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woman who did a coaching call with me, and she's like,
I've got nothing left and he's got everything over the road,
and you know, but I've got all this stuff in
my garage. I'm like, what stuff And she's like, well,
this antique stuff. And I'm like she's like, I can't
let it go, and I'm like, no, No, You've got
to change your mindset, change your mindset, change your life.
What are you holding on for it for? What is
it going to do in there other than gather dust?
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Or you can start your new life. You know, maybe
you can get ten thousand dollars out of it, or
five that you know, you can get a mortgage in
America for ten thousand dollars. You can do Section eight housing,
you can do There are so many amazing things side
hustles today that you can get on and start with
no money.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know, look at my branding.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know how I started with even bus the label right,
I just started went out there and started building my
products and now we're on the shopping network right right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't know how. Thank you, but I have no
idea how I do that? Did it?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So it's so we start. No, it's just me and
one other speaker, which is hopefully going to be you
this time, but.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Or you know whoever treatments or is it just it's no,
we did.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
We did treatments and things like this and activities, but
everyone asks not to. I love spending the time. So
basically I try and say to you, if you're coming
to this retreat, ladies, try and come on your own,
because I would say to you when you go with
friends too many friends, you kind of get cliquy and
you don't get into it. Everyone gets very nervous. I
have people that come from Australia from you know, Dubai
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from all over the world, so many different nationalities. They've
flown a long way to be there. And I always
choose remote spots so that you're kind of out of
your comfort zone. The Year of the Horse, out of
your comfort zone. And when we get there, we have
a welcome dinner. Everyone's really nervous.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I make a speech. We all get to say.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Then the first day is where I introduce all of
you to each other, okay, and then everyone says what
drew you to the to the retreat. So I'm not
saying that I'm Yoda. I may not have the answer
for you, but someone in that room, well, right, And
you know, you have some women that have made a
lot of money and they want a new life. You know,
they've outgrown the place that they they're from. Maybe their
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friends don't understand them anymore. There's a lot of women
that want community and connection. And I think when you're
out of your comfort zone, you're an insertain age. And
you've answered something like this. Everyone's taken a big risk
to be there. Everybody is in it, right, So we're
going to you know, and this one is in Sequoia,
so with the big trees and it's got this. I've
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always oh, I've always wanted to do the vans. You
know what they call the silver streets air streets, yeah,
air streams.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
That said, I've always wanted to do these.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And so every night we do a different dinner than
we meet everybody individually. And while I'm doing that, the
ladies get to know each other, and then we have
a round table where we're all in the same room
and we all discuss why what drew people there, and
then we sort of say you can sort of either
men what they were asking the question that they wanted
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to ask, or a lot of the women want to
do business together or want to make a life change,
move country, or some of them want to know how
to get started. So one woman wanted to start buying
real estate over here, so she actually I got her.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I introduced her to everyone.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Some people just want connections, you know, all very very different,
but it's it's a community of women and they all
stayed in contact, and yeah, it's it's sold out every
single time. So I guess we're doing something right. And
I think it's only going to get bigger, to be honest,
and actually, I think you'd be great at it.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And in it. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, I know, I love it and I love how
much it's grown for you in such a short and
you've only been doing it for a couple two a
couple of years, right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
This is my second year.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I was I was scared to do it because I
was thinking, you know what if nobody turns up? Right
then the women that turned up too, one woman was
running for Congress, one woman. You know, we had like
loads of designers, lots of one woman that had restaurants
in Mexico, one woman that had beautiful clinics in LA
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and they all just wanted to either. You know, just
sometimes when you've run a business for a very long time,
you get tired and you just don't see the woods
through the trees, right. And other women have grown it
and may have ideas or can take you from A
to B. And I think it's just it's like a
think tank too.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know, I can't wait to go and experience because
I've heard about it from you first.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So you're in a great You're in a great position
because you really are somewhere right now that you get
to choose. You're in like a sliding doors moment you
can go left or you can go right and no,
but it's really exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm excited. I'm excited for rush start now do Sergio
will go with you to the retreat.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I wasn't going to have him ever, and I was
very strong about it. But he did come with me
because the cameraman couldn't come to the second one, and
he's like, look, I'll just do it, but they won't
even notice I'm there.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So he always yeah, I know, he was never he's
not in the one on one Bravo Khan.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Caroline and I we are in line and people are
coming to see us and Sergio all the women running
up to him taking pictures with him.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It was really cute. He's so sweet. Well, that's where
it happened. When I'm doing the one on one, the
ladies love talking to it because Sergio also does a
lot of social media. He does all this stuff for me, right,
and a lot of women don't know how to do this.
So he ended up putting it down that if you
guys want to speak to him about marketing and how
to set up your reels and all the things he
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does for me, whilst I'm on the one on ones
that he didn't mind doing that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
He was more full than me.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Every single woman both time with him, I was like,
oh my god, he goes No. I meant just like
four or five of them, you know, twenty six of
them booked in. He was busy as anything helping them
redesign their page of it. Yeah, and he's so so
like supportive and so helpful. And you know, there's not
a lot of attention around your guys is the age difference.
(24:23):
And I have to say, being around Caroline and her husband,
you don't even there is no age.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It is so you guys have such a connection. It's
so it's infectious being around you both. It's you guys.
It's lovely.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I love it well, we're best friends and we do
everything together.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's just, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Don't I even hate saying it because I'm also one
of those very pragmatic people like I. You know, you
and I talk about because I always go, you know, look,
who knows what will happen in the future. You know,
who knows? As I get much older, maybe things change,
you renegotiate things.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I don't know what the future looks like.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Because I see it every day because I've interviewed so
many couples over the years, and look, you know, a
couple of years ago, you thought you were in life.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
It's like, shit happens.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So I don't want to be the stupid woman that
goes you know, everything's perfect and then suddenly gets a
giant slap around our face. But you know, for now
everything is perfect, right, and you know, and now it's
good enough, you know what I mean? Like that is
what I was saying to you, like I don't know why.
And it's funny that we get so lost in our
relationships because you know, every ending is a new beginning, right.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And even you know, my relationship with Charlie, I don't
see that as a failure or it was our journey.
We were mented it be together for our daughters. And
by the way some people thought when I said in
his documentary that I love Charlie, I don't love them
(25:58):
in a way romantically. I love them as the father
of my daughters. I'm always gonna have that connection with him.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So I it's the same thing like you have you
and your ex are always gonna have that bond with
your kids, and now did you how was the transition
with blending.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And I know everyone else, Yeah, because it's hard to
blend your.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Family when you're you know, no, I mean, anyone that
says it's easy, it's not, you know, I mean. And
and just because it's like you, Denise, I mean, you've
just got your relationship ship back with Charlie and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
We've actually always over the years, it's just uh, he's
been really quiet, trying to get things back going. But
you know, we've had our ups and downs, trust me,
over the years, but we've we've been good.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
For a while actually yeah. Yeah, but when it's fad,
it was bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, So you know, that's that's the thing. You know,
you just some days it's really good.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Some days it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The kids, you know what the problem with kids is.
What happens is they carry things back between the house that.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
They don't even know. They're saying. You can't say to them, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Tell Daddy you saw this or you know, or don't
tell mommy you saw this in the house. And were
when you and Sergio got together, they must have been
eight or nine, that's ages two. Yeah, So and Yasmin
of course, so that's the boys.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
So Yasmin's whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Twelve, so you know, eleven, it's a very difficult age
and she understood a lot more than the boys obviously.
And you know, look, we're all in a really good
place right now, and it's we've surpassed it, thank god.
But I don't wish it on anyone. Blending a family
together is not easy. I don't care who you are.
And there's no child that goes, oh, this is great.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I love my new dad. It's very true.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And that's the thing, right that, just when women ask me,
were trying to maintain a relationship with Charlie, And you know,
I've always been one that it's not the kid's fault
that we split. I would never talk badly about Charlie,
to the point where the kids were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like, why didn't you tell me this about I don't.
It's not my place. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I want you to discover your own relationship and it's
not fair for me to put my feelings about our
relationship onto you kids. So and that's a very I
think hard thing to navigate when you're going through divorce,
not letting out of the kids.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's so involved in knowing things especially well again, yeah,
I was about to say, you're in a very different predicament.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I wasn't that public.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean, not public enough that they were digging that
deep into my eggs or those kind of things. I mean,
you were married to one of the most famous men
on the planets at the time, so you know, obviously
shielding your children from that. I don't know how you
do that, I really don't. So you know, that's all
you can do. All you can do is tell your
(29:02):
children he's a good father, he's a good person, he's
doing his best, and that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's what we all do.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Because I always say, in any marriage, and that's what
I wish more people understood, there is no such well,
if you have children, there is no such word as
divorce because divorce has such a finite sort of connotation
to children. It feels like someone's died, right, So you're
not you can never divorce them. You're going to children's parties,
(29:31):
you're going to graduations, you're going to weddings. You're like,
it's not like walking away. You can't walk away from
the father of your children, no matter how much want to.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
As soon as that hits you and you really take
that in. There is no leaving the father of your
children regardless. I think it becomes a lot easier because
you just have to go.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Exactly and it makes it it's best for the kids
to keep the peaceful as possible and.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Not and you and who for the rest of your life.
You know what I mean. It's not going away, that's
not true. It's not like an.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Ex boyfriend you go, oh, you know, fuck you, I
never ever see you again. You do, you do, you
absolutely do. Unless you're not going to the graduation, You're
not going to the parties, you're not going to the
bum mitzvah's, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
You know, you do.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So at the end of the day, you need to
get used to that. And that's was when that hit me.
It was actually so freeing because I was like, oh, okay,
it's only me that's going to get upset.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I remember I had a huge fight with my ex
husband just before one of my sons, my son's bum
mitzvah over.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Here, and I was like, that's it, I'm not going.
I called my parents.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I'm like, none of us are going, and my mom
just said to me, well, there's your pictures for the
rest of your life, right, you know, and he's going
to be there, and his family's going to be there.
The children are all there, and you're gonna be the
only one. But we won't go, none of us will go.
If that's what you want, we'll respect it, but you're
going to regret it. So I got dressed, danced on
(31:09):
stage with him, took all the pictures, made the speeches,
and went home and then said, that's what you do.
You know what I mean, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You suck it up, get through it, and then you can.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Suck it up. Friendly with each other.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Are they ever around each other at any kids events
or holidays.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Or anything, Well, I mean, my ex think Sergio is
a kid, so like that's how he treats him. So
we just laugh because you know, like when he comes over,
he like orders our food, he's like, you know, and
and it's just very funny.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So I think we've just got used to it. And
Sergio kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Lets him lead, and which is kind of, I guess,
an easier dynamic. And I think I always think of
it if my ex husband was faced with another adult
telling him what to do. I think maybe that would
be hard of him, as he doesn't consider Sergio an adult,
or he probably does now, but back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
In the day, he didn't. You know, I think it
was just the easier dynamic. He'd be like, oh well.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
He probably thought, Okay, it's gonna last, she's gonna have
her fun and one.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Hundred and he was like, well watch this exactly, let's
watch this explode, showing along with half the world.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's all right.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I was, you know, forty three, having a midlife crisis.
To all my friends, they were like, uh, that's one
that you jump on and jump off.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And how did you guys meet? And were you right
away wanting to go out with him or did he
have to did it take some convincing? How long were
you separated? So I was separated, we'd agree to do whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We wanted for the summer kind of thing. My ex
and I. I was living downstairs, he was living upstairs.
But look, when I met Sergio, I actually thought of
him for a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I was in Newport Beach and he was in the audience.
But I think we just and because I wasn't looking
for myself at that point, I really really did think
of him. My girlfriend's going to know exactly what I'm
talking about. But she didn't really fancy him, but I
was like, oh, he's hot. I don't think I thought
(33:24):
about it that clearly, and I just think so, I
think the connection was there. We just started talking, you know,
and we just talked and talked and talked, and I
just think that, you know, I wasn't looking him at
him that way, and I wasn't looking particularly yes, so
you're kind of like in that place where you're just
it just hits you, I suppose. And then when I
(33:46):
did find out his age, I was like, oh, no,
this is not happening. I actually sent him on a
date with another girl, and which is hilarious. And we're
all good friends now, and I just I don't know.
I guess we're soulmates somehow. I broke up with him,
and everyone used to think I trapped him. I didn't
(34:06):
trap Sergio. Sergio trapped me. I broke up with him
a million times.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know. And I don't know if you heard him
or when we were at Brabl Khan he said something
he said, and it's true.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I think he said, the man has.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
To love the woman more than the woman loves the man,
and it's like, I love that he knows that.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You know, and it's so true, so true, all of
you ladies men out there, It is true.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The man must you a little love, must love you
a little more than you love him. My mom taught
me that too, and I didn't know the meaning of
that until now. I think.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I love how supported you guys are of each other
and secure with each other.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Were you and your ex that way too?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, not like this, like I'm super relaxed and we're
super comport. Look, he was so excited when you when
he first met you, remember he was he just he
was like yanked me, Yeah, so cute, and you were like, oh,
do you mind.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm like, I don't care at all, Like I love you,
you know, and I am secure in myself.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I feel that. That's what I always say. You can't
hold on by holding on, No, you can't. No.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So if someone's going to do something, they're going to
do it regardless of anything, right, and it's in their nature.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's not if you're looking. You're looking. So I feel
I know the way I see him, the way we
are together every day.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I feel his phone is open I can pick it
up anytime, you know, when someone's being a bit dodgy.
You know, all of these things, I've never felt that
I've needed to question anything with him. And you know, again,
I've always said to him, I only want to be
with someone that wants to be with me. I don't
want to have to chase someone around wondering where they are.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
How awful would that be?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, I also love that he lets you shine, and
he Tully's really like, genuinely, really proud watching him with
you and watching people come up to you and take
photos with you. It's so genuine, it's really it's unusual
actually from from my experience.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, it's different, it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Like again, I think all of these things work because
of the age difference, right, I think as a as
a man that's the same age you can have competition
with each other.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I thought mine was supportive.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I learned more about him during this divorce, so it's
refreshing to see that Sergio is so supportive of you.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I thought you were, you know, I have watching him back.
I thought he was supportive. I mean a little bit odd,
but I thought he was supportive.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I think he was supportive for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Actually, well, I mean, now we all know I found
out really is after but whatever. Yeah, but like again again,
I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but thank god,
oh thank god, more more damage has been done.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I learned relatively about him and who he really is.
That I think was the hardest thing for me is
that finding the deep betrayal is unlike I can't I
don't even have words for it. It's almost numbing. So
that's been the hardest thing.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I truly think it's so scary and I don't want
to say it, but like I you know, I'm sure
you have been to the bathroom and scrubbed yourself a
million times. It's just get the man off me.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, no, I feel like he's a stranger. I feel
he didn't love me at all or even like me.
Quite frankly, you.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, let's just pray, let's just pray he did at
the beginning, Okay, well just when the first six months.
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's not
like your liver. I just I can't you like.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
To do what he did publicly and the stuff he
has said about me is desperate. I know that you
don't do that to someone that you even remote. I
wouldn't do that to an enemy, let alone someone that he's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Nine years he hasn't got to it was it nine years.
We were married six and a half, but we were
together nine years, Denise. He never got a job in
all that.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yes, he had a job, he had a business, and
so I don't understand all this. We were you know,
we got married in our forties. So anyway, that's a
whole I will talk more about this when my divorce
is final. Okay, let's get divorced and then we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Hopefully very soon.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Ship yeah, oh my gosh, really quickly though we were
not going to say who it is.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Caroline. It was good for everyone. She wanted to set
me up with someone, but she was.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Like, we can't tell him who you are because I'm like, well,
I don't want to just tell them. Just meet me
and be like what fu didn't you tell me it's her.
She's like, no, darling, no, you google you and no
that that is the red flag and they're not gonna
well you know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I'm like, that's why I love you. You're so honest.
I'm like, okay, I think.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm so used to how bad the ship is out
there about me, and I'm like, I'm like, it's just nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But but you're like on paper it's bad darky. Oh
he has to meet you at person and get to
know you. We can't tell anyone I know who you
are when we set them up with you.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Even my friends came to lunch, they were like, oh,
she's so lovely. We weren't expecting that. And I said,
I told you, like, I'm I'm a good egg.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I pick. I've got to do nothing. I picked. I
pick good people.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And you know, I was like, Denise, with older respect, with.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Respect, you're very blood sugar coat. That's what I love
about your British ass. And that is why it's so
funny and why there I love you because you're just
you know, when you say something nice and complimentary, I
believe you because you don't hold back with anything that
could be perceived as bone.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Denise.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Denise said to me one day that she wants to
do her and I crossing America and like, you know,
like a Paris and Nicole, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Uh, no money.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And I grew up in with a silver silver spoon,
and you grew up around castles in England. The castle
I saw growing up was a Disneyland, you know, so
I want to see how.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You really grew up and you can see how I grow. Yeah,
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
But one thing that you did say was somehow I
know I'm going to be carrying your.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Bags and and being your bitch.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
And she would by the way she would carry her bags,
you could be fakep Yeah, for sure, your hair out.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think we could. We've talked about so long.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh before I forget to we have to talk about Traders.
You are on one of my very favorite reality shows, Traders.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You and I talked.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Probably I'm so excited to see you on there.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
You're so perfect for the show. So it starts. It
airs tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The eighth, but I'm coming to LA for the whole
month of February, so I'm going to see I'm excited.
You'll stuck with me for a while for the reunion
as well, so that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But it was one of the best experiences of my life.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I loved every minute of it, and it was really
essentially my summer holiday because it took place in June
and I was locked in a castle. So it was
really fun.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Now if you can't say this, that's fine. Do you
stay in the castle that we see on TV?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Okay, okay?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Is the breakfast is that looks on television? Because my
dad's a breakfast person. And as soon as I saw
an episode of the show, I call my dad, I go,
you gotta watch Traders because that spread they have in
that castle. I want to do the show just for
the breakfast.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Let's just put that out there. If anyone's listening. Denise
Terrible want to be on well, that's for.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Sure, traitors so that she can have the breakfast. Yes,
you you will be like you know who really made
me laugh? Because actually I will. I don't know if
I can say. I can't say this, Tara, she used
to go, She's to ask everybody who's talking about me?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Who's talking about me? And I?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Tara, Tara, it's traitors. Everybody's talking about you. Everybody is
talking about you. Everybody's talk about everybody. Let's just put
it there. You have to go in and not be sensitive.
I don't know if you're sensitive?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Are you kidding me? Look at what is that about me?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't I I can't.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Even you could say anything.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
When you're in the same house, when you're in the
same house together, you take it.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh yeah, I don't. I mean, I've had the worst.
You might be here.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I don't know what the stuff that has just said
about me just in the last six months.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's I know, all right, whatever I did tell you
not to google yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I don't know myself. It's it's pretty it's my ex
saying that stuff. So I'm dealing with court stuff, so
I kind of know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I have to read it. Well, I would say, I
do think you should go in.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I think if anyone is listening, if the traits ferries
are out, they actually did.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Ask me to do it.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It was I had already committed though, uh to Special Forces.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
So oh yeah you should have done this. Yeah that's true.
We can do it as well. Get on and do it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Denise, you'd be absolute TV gold and take take the
jacket with you.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm going to take my jacket anyway. Well, I did
not have an affair, by the way with the guy
from Special.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean, there you go. I've got a divorce. But
I never thought after I wrapped that.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Show, so oh that's all right, everybody we all have
nice male friends. You're allowed a male bloody friend. Everyone
is loud to friend. That's ridiculous. I have brothers.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
We all can have well, but.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
It's I mean, whatever it was. You know, I was
trying to get out.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well there you different different. I didn't do any that.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Look, I would like to say that women and men,
when you're at the end of anything and nothing, when
you've had a long term relationship ends beautifully, one persons
before the other, and you do the best you can.
That's it, right, And I don't think you owe anyone
in explanation.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
No, no, no, I mean I question didn't even have said that,
but whatever, And it's not the reason why I got divorced,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And by the way, blood you wish you had run
off with somebody at this point, me too. Yeah, so
I don't think, especially since.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I found out my ex. It's funny like when you
split with someone, everyone comes out of the woodwork and
a girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
He didn't have a girlfriend. He definitely there was multiple. Thanks, yeah,
not girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I would exactly call it whatever, Yes, a.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Multiple, fantastic fantastic.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, but usually when someone maps accusing someone over and
over and over.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
It's a mira exactly, it's a mira.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But you know again, you can beat yourself up and
go how stupid was I?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Or you can just say you know you trusted and no.
It gives me such clarity.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
If there's ever, if there was ever I want, there
has never been that during this I've learned more during
the divorce than I did, you know, during the marriage.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
So it's actually I'm in a very good place. I
always say the biggest lies are in marriages. It's amazing
how good.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
People can become a lying Oh yeah, one person they're
meant to love the most. It is scary, It is
very scary. Yeah, but you know again, we've discussed this.
You won't do it again.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
I'm never gonna get married, and I anyone that says
never say never. And I wish I had something that
my mom and dad had. They were married until my
mom passed away. I will never have that because I
will never get married again.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And that's okay, That is okay. I chose I like
partner with that, but I will never get married again.
And more and more women, by the way, it' choosing
that life anyway, So you.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Know, yeah, exactly, thank you, But I need some time
before I get into a relationship.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, you need a minute. I want to at least
be divorced, Chris, Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Thank you so much for my dear dear friend for
being my very first guest of my very first posting
of a podcast.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
And I couldn't have a better guest.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
I'm so proud of you, and I'm so excited for you,
and I'm really excited to see what's next for Denise.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I don't wait to come and spend February with you,
and thank you for having me as your very first.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Thank you, and thank you for Torri for you know
whoever had the idea to ask me to host Tom
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yes I'm a massive Tory fan too that she's been
through it, so sending my love.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Thank you so much for hosting me. Than thank you,
thank you, I love you. Thank you than you. Bye.
Host
Tori Spelling
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Two Guys (Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers). Five Rings (you know, from the Olympics logo). One essential podcast for the 2026 Milan-Cortina Winter Olympics. Bowen Yang (SNL, Wicked) and Matt Rogers (Palm Royale, No Good Deed) of Las Culturistas are back for a second season of Two Guys, Five Rings, a collaboration with NBC Sports and iHeartRadio. In this 15-episode event, Bowen and Matt discuss the top storylines, obsess over Italian culture, and find out what really goes on in the Olympic Village.
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Milan Cortina Winter Olympics
The 2026 Winter Olympics in Milan Cortina are here and have everyone talking. iHeartPodcasts is buzzing with content in honor of the XXV Winter Olympics We’re bringing you episodes from a variety of iHeartPodcast shows to help you keep up with the action. Follow Milan Cortina Winter Olympics so you don’t miss any coverage of the 2026 Winter Olympics, and if you like what you hear, be sure to follow each Podcast in the feed for more great content from iHeartPodcasts.