January 16, 2025 • 8 mins
Was Betty White a mean girl back in the day?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
One of the stories that we did not touch on
in the Hollywood Outsider today, but I really want to
touch on it, and you will see. The headline today
is that the story about Betty White having been a
mean girl.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Have you seen that headline yet, guys today?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What do you mean a mean girl? Like in real life?
A mean person?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm going to explain, being a passive aggressive type woman.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Really, and when you read When.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I read the story, I thought, you know, I could
see that maybe she didn't mean for it to be mean,
but here's the word.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So the actress Sally Struthers, I need you, guys to
help me with who she is.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So she played Gloria in the TV show All in
the Family. Yeah. I don't know if she did anything
else other than that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
But yeah, which who was Gloria the wife wife?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Oh it was Edith and Archie and the daughter was
Gloria blonde?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
She also did a lot of those animal commercials you know,
I love.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Since then, Okay, thanks thanks for the update of who
she is.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So yeah, she always had kind of an uncertain sound
about her yeah, yeah, yeah, you can make a donation
if you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, Well, anyway, the word is that Sally Struthers said
this week like on a podcast that.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Of course she said it. She said it. She said this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
She was at Betty's house once working on a pilot
for a game show. Betty asked the housekeeper to bring
them a little something to eat. A plate was put
down on the table, and I guess there was some
regular food, like lunch type food, and there were also cookies.
And Sally says that she reached for a cookie in
front of everyone because it wasn't just the two of
them there. It was like everybody involved in the production
(01:44):
of this potential you know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Show was there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And Sally reaches for a cookie, and Betty says, in
front of everybody, Oh, I wouldn't do that if I
were you, dear, you don't need a cookie.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Which is what which is which is what today is
called that shaming.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, but what's so funny about this, and so be
Sally's thing is like she to me was a passive,
aggressive woman, not that she wasn't funny, not that she
wasn't wonderful, Because we all want to remember her as
funny and wonderful.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I remember she was passive aggressive in that Snickers commercial. Deal.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Come on, man, you've been riding the Old Dame. You're
playing like Betty White out there, ask how what your
girlfriend said?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Which is my favorite moment with her. But you know
what she's saying there, that's not passive aggressiveness. She was
being blunt. If Betty White actually said that she said it,
that's passive aggressive is where you you know, the aggression
happens without anybody, no right exactly and so okay, and
I would think that. I mean again, well I don't
(02:47):
know Betty White from anybody, but you know what, it's
easy to talk about somebody when they're dead. She was
almost one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know, look, I don't want to argue about whether
you know Betty's said that and if it was really
mean or not.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But if Sally's saying.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It, you also, you know you you don't know who
to believe, or maybe it both. Maybe they it happened
exactly that way, Maybe Betty didn't intend it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It does not matter, but I wanted to bring it out.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Sally heard it wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I only want to say it was spoke. It was
said to Sally. She may not if she didn't hear
it wrong, she heard it. Here's what I want to say, though,
there's this whole generation that I grew I grew up with,
the adults that I grew up with.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
They spoke that way. They talked to you about the
way you looked my mom, right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And this is I bring it up because I've had
to have those conversations with our daughters, Murphy, and like
they there will be people in our family who will
say things, oh my gosh, you look so skinny. And
I remember someone saying that to Phoebe years ago when
she was I don't know, probably in middle school, like, oh,
(03:58):
you look so skinny, and and it was somebody who
just meant it as a probably compliment, but it bothered Phoebe.
And so the good rule of thumb is you just
don't say things to people about their size, their weight,
what they should be eating. You should never say something
(04:18):
to someone about what they should and should not be eating.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, I mean, that's a common sense thing. You know,
I agree with you on that, and you know it's.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But I will say that reading that statement.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I read that story today and I thought, if Betty said, oh,
you don't need a cookie right now, that's not what
you need. I could hear that, and it sent me
back because I heard that sort of stuff from all
the adults in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
When I did that's I mean, maybe that's family by family.
I don't know that it's totally generational because heard that
kind of stuff like that. No, I mean, in fact,
we knew that you weren't going to There were just
terms that you weren't going to use with describing the
way that somebody looks. You know what. You're not going
to call somebody ugly. You're not going to call somebody,
(05:04):
you know, I mean any of that kind of stuff.
I mean, I remember, you know, being teased a little
bit of like, oh you need to it may be
maybe one of those you can eat another peanut butter
and jelly sandwich, Murphy, you need a little weight on you.
You know that kind of right. But that's but I
don't know, I never took that as necessarily ugly. I
hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm just saying that you probably as a kid, that
meant to you. Oh wait, I'm not correct, I'm not right.
I should be bigger. It's about what you it's about
the way you see yourself when you're younger.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, but you know, and I have I know that.
I think we've modeled that in a great way with
both of our daughters to understand that, because that's we
don't talk like that in the house, and I've never
treated other people like that. And you know, the other
thing that you learned sometimes the hard way is when
you think that you're trying to compliment, you know, that's
it's the same reason that you don't you know, ask
somebody if they're expecting if they're not, I mean, because
(05:57):
that that can backfire on you. Have you done that?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So you did?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think I only did that one time, and I
learned the hard way, and I felt so bad about it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What did you say exactly? You don't say who it was?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I don't remember. This is like twenty years ago, and
so it was actually somebody. It was a stranger. It
was somebody I hadn't met, and she'd actually she'd actually
just had the baby like three three months before.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
As a woman who's had children, that's even worse because
I felt that's the way she wants the belly gone,
and it does not go away right away.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, it does not, but for years.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But yeah, it's it's unfortunate that, you know, people do it,
will say things if it's teasing, especially let's you're right,
that's awful. But you know, I don't I don't know
why I feel so compelled to come to the aid
of Betty White on because I just I see her
as this you know, sweet person. I know that nobody
is perfect. But you know the reason that she is
(06:55):
so celebrated, I think, in so loved and all that
is because she was. She seemed to be nice, and
she was self deprecating too, you know what I'm saying,
and so not like she she put herself down before
she put others down. But you know, maybe Sally Struthers
made her mad that I don't know. Look, I'm not
maybe Sally was going for her tenth cookie.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
No, okay, I'm not upset about.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't know. We weren't there.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean memories. You know, sometimes if we're talking about
a game show involving Betty White and Sally Struthers, that
kicks me back to the seventies right there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh yeah, you're talking about something it's probably fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, easy, yeah, yeah, Look I'm not defending either one
of them or I'm a cheerleader for either one of them.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Although agreed, I love Betty. How can you not love Betty?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But it's just I bring it up only to say
it's just not It's a good rule to just not
ever say anything to someone about what they are choosing
to do or put in their mouths to if you want,
if somebody's eating a banana split at seven am at work,
just shut up about it and say, hey, good morning.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you got to go through
your head and decide, shouldn't I you should correct?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, if you're question it for us? Split second, Sam,
you're right about that. You mean a banana split second? Right?
Does so? Did they say anything else about you know?
I mean it's it was Sally Struther's complaining about other
things in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I didn't listen. I'm basing this on small story.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Did they say she was upset about it or she
just remarked about it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Now, she said that she felt fat shamed in front
of the whole room. All right, she thought, oh my gosh,
that's not nice.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She thought. She walked away feeling feeling like that wasn't nice.
So I'm sorry, Murphy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Maybe it was another Betty White missed any part of
the show.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Get it All on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
One of the stories that we did not touch on
in the Hollywood Outsider today, but I really want to
touch on it, and you will see. The headline today
is that the story about Betty White having been a
mean girl.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Have you seen that headline yet, guys today?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What do you mean a mean girl? Like in real life?
A mean person?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm going to explain, being a passive aggressive type woman.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Really, and when you read When.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I read the story, I thought, you know, I could
see that maybe she didn't mean for it to be mean,
but here's the word.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So the actress Sally Struthers, I need you, guys to
help me with who she is.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So she played Gloria in the TV show All in
the Family. Yeah. I don't know if she did anything
else other than that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
But yeah, which who was Gloria the wife wife?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Oh it was Edith and Archie and the daughter was
Gloria blonde?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
She also did a lot of those animal commercials you know,
I love.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Since then, Okay, thanks thanks for the update of who
she is.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So yeah, she always had kind of an uncertain sound
about her yeah, yeah, yeah, you can make a donation
if you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, Well, anyway, the word is that Sally Struthers said
this week like on a podcast that.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Of course she said it. She said it. She said this.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
She was at Betty's house once working on a pilot
for a game show. Betty asked the housekeeper to bring
them a little something to eat. A plate was put
down on the table, and I guess there was some
regular food, like lunch type food, and there were also cookies.
And Sally says that she reached for a cookie in
front of everyone because it wasn't just the two of
them there. It was like everybody involved in the production
(01:44):
of this potential you know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Show was there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And Sally reaches for a cookie, and Betty says, in
front of everybody, Oh, I wouldn't do that if I
were you, dear, you don't need a cookie.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Which is what which is which is what today is
called that shaming.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, but what's so funny about this, and so be
Sally's thing is like she to me was a passive,
aggressive woman, not that she wasn't funny, not that she
wasn't wonderful, Because we all want to remember her as
funny and wonderful.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I remember she was passive aggressive in that Snickers commercial. Deal.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Come on, man, you've been riding the Old Dame. You're
playing like Betty White out there, ask how what your
girlfriend said?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Which is my favorite moment with her. But you know
what she's saying there, that's not passive aggressiveness. She was
being blunt. If Betty White actually said that she said it,
that's passive aggressive is where you you know, the aggression
happens without anybody, no right exactly and so okay, and
I would think that. I mean again, well I don't
(02:47):
know Betty White from anybody, but you know what, it's
easy to talk about somebody when they're dead. She was
almost one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know, look, I don't want to argue about whether
you know Betty's said that and if it was really
mean or not.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But if Sally's saying.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It, you also, you know you you don't know who
to believe, or maybe it both. Maybe they it happened
exactly that way, Maybe Betty didn't intend it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It does not matter, but I wanted to bring it out.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Sally heard it wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I only want to say it was spoke. It was
said to Sally. She may not if she didn't hear
it wrong, she heard it. Here's what I want to say, though,
there's this whole generation that I grew I grew up with,
the adults that I grew up with.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
They spoke that way. They talked to you about the
way you looked my mom, right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And this is I bring it up because I've had
to have those conversations with our daughters, Murphy, and like
they there will be people in our family who will
say things, oh my gosh, you look so skinny. And
I remember someone saying that to Phoebe years ago when
she was I don't know, probably in middle school, like, oh,
(03:58):
you look so skinny, and and it was somebody who
just meant it as a probably compliment, but it bothered Phoebe.
And so the good rule of thumb is you just
don't say things to people about their size, their weight,
what they should be eating. You should never say something
(04:18):
to someone about what they should and should not be eating.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, I mean, that's a common sense thing. You know,
I agree with you on that, and you know it's.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But I will say that reading that statement.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I read that story today and I thought, if Betty said, oh,
you don't need a cookie right now, that's not what
you need. I could hear that, and it sent me
back because I heard that sort of stuff from all
the adults in my life.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
When I did that's I mean, maybe that's family by family.
I don't know that it's totally generational because heard that
kind of stuff like that. No, I mean, in fact,
we knew that you weren't going to There were just
terms that you weren't going to use with describing the
way that somebody looks. You know what. You're not going
to call somebody ugly. You're not going to call somebody,
(05:04):
you know, I mean any of that kind of stuff.
I mean, I remember, you know, being teased a little
bit of like, oh you need to it may be
maybe one of those you can eat another peanut butter
and jelly sandwich, Murphy, you need a little weight on you.
You know that kind of right. But that's but I
don't know, I never took that as necessarily ugly. I
hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm just saying that you probably as a kid, that
meant to you. Oh wait, I'm not correct, I'm not right.
I should be bigger. It's about what you it's about
the way you see yourself when you're younger.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, but you know, and I have I know that.
I think we've modeled that in a great way with
both of our daughters to understand that, because that's we
don't talk like that in the house, and I've never
treated other people like that. And you know, the other
thing that you learned sometimes the hard way is when
you think that you're trying to compliment, you know, that's
it's the same reason that you don't you know, ask
somebody if they're expecting if they're not, I mean, because
(05:57):
that that can backfire on you. Have you done that?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So you did?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think I only did that one time, and I
learned the hard way, and I felt so bad about it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What did you say exactly? You don't say who it was?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I don't remember. This is like twenty years ago, and
so it was actually somebody. It was a stranger. It
was somebody I hadn't met, and she'd actually she'd actually
just had the baby like three three months before.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
As a woman who's had children, that's even worse because
I felt that's the way she wants the belly gone,
and it does not go away right away.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, it does not, but for years.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But yeah, it's it's unfortunate that, you know, people do it,
will say things if it's teasing, especially let's you're right,
that's awful. But you know, I don't I don't know
why I feel so compelled to come to the aid
of Betty White on because I just I see her
as this you know, sweet person. I know that nobody
is perfect. But you know the reason that she is
(06:55):
so celebrated, I think, in so loved and all that
is because she was. She seemed to be nice, and
she was self deprecating too, you know what I'm saying,
and so not like she she put herself down before
she put others down. But you know, maybe Sally Struthers
made her mad that I don't know. Look, I'm not
maybe Sally was going for her tenth cookie.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
No, okay, I'm not upset about.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't know. We weren't there.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I mean memories. You know, sometimes if we're talking about
a game show involving Betty White and Sally Struthers, that
kicks me back to the seventies right there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh yeah, you're talking about something it's probably fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, easy, yeah, yeah, Look I'm not defending either one
of them or I'm a cheerleader for either one of them.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Although agreed, I love Betty. How can you not love Betty?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But it's just I bring it up only to say
it's just not It's a good rule to just not
ever say anything to someone about what they are choosing
to do or put in their mouths to if you want,
if somebody's eating a banana split at seven am at work,
just shut up about it and say, hey, good morning.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you got to go through
your head and decide, shouldn't I you should correct?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, if you're question it for us? Split second, Sam,
you're right about that. You mean a banana split second? Right?
Does so? Did they say anything else about you know?
I mean it's it was Sally Struther's complaining about other
things in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I didn't listen. I'm basing this on small story.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Did they say she was upset about it or she
just remarked about it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Now, she said that she felt fat shamed in front
of the whole room. All right, she thought, oh my gosh,
that's not nice.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
She thought. She walked away feeling feeling like that wasn't nice.
So I'm sorry, Murphy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Maybe it was another Betty White missed any part of
the show.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Get it All on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
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