February 18, 2025 • 9 mins
What is known so far about how all passengers survived the plane that landed upside-down.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
As mentioned in Three Things to Know Today, that flight,
that Delta flight that flipped over on crash landing in Toronto,
several investigations.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Underway, well underway. The marvel of it all is that
everyone's surde survived it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, and the injuries range from minor to moderate injuries.
And so one of the big things that I've already
been reading about and it's fascinating. And you know that
I'm not the It's not my favorite thing in the
world to do is fly Murphy. But yesterday, when I
first saw the images, I will never forget seeing a
plane that looks like that.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's the upside down plane.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I guess there's always going to be a chance
that video is going to exist. It looks like that
video was shot from a nearby plane. Maybe were somebody
who's just taxing, Yeah, because it wasn't. It didn't look
like it was from the terminal or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So what we're hearing already so early in the investigation,
which is fascinating to me. You know, and you get
on a plane, all your passengers, if you fly a lot,
you know, buckle your seat belt. You know about the
oxygen mask, and you know about the seat being the
flotation device, But do you know what to do if
(01:14):
you suddenly find yourself in an upside down aircraft?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, hopefully not something you get talked. Nobody speaks to
you about that.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm hoping they are buckled in so that you were not.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, that's that's what I was going to say. It's
probably more important that you're actually safe and secure, and
that is number one. Honestly, that's the reason that to
be buckled Because air travel it's still I know, there
have been horrible things that have happened lately, it is
still the safest form of travel. There's still you know,
four thousand plus flights around the US every single day,
and but you know, it's that if you ever wondered why,
(01:48):
especially if you're frequent traveler, if it feels very mundane
to do those things, it's yes, it is. But in
that one moment that you may or may not need it,
I guess I should say, when you absolutely need it,
that's why you're wearing a seat belt. If if somebody
had not been wearing a seat belt with a plane
flipping like that, they probably would not have survived.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, And everybody had their seat belt on right fastened
and not just fastened, they're saying, tightly. It can be
the difference if you're hitting bad turbulence or some whatever happens.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
A tight seat belt.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It can be the difference of a couple of inches
of you hitting something or something hitting you, or you know,
something like that when you're in a bad situation on
a plane.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But the word is that everyone was buckled in tightly,
and the rescue efforts happened quickly.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Oh, those people look like they were getting off the
plane themselves so quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right attendance and everybody who you know that everything that
they're trained for happened quickly. They were spraying the aircraft
with this anti flame foam right away too, because that's
the number one concern of a crash landing is fire.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Ye jet fuel.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, So there were so many things that happened right here.
It's such a lesson, like there will be more coming
out soon with every single day. But I just thought
it was so fascinating, they say, And this was a
CRJ nine hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was also a smaller sort of.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Plane, and the smallness of it fewer people on the
plane that they're just designed for this. They're engineered to
handle this sort of thing, this sort of impact.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, the CRJ nine hundred is one that we have
flown on a lot. In fact, it's one of the
more common ones when we fly out of here that
we want to flying on. It's a very safe plane.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
The structural elements of the plane, the wings and the tail,
are designed to break away in the event of a
tip over. The seats are designed to withstand impacts of
sixteen times the force of gravity.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, I did not know any of it.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And to stay in place, and the seats to stay
in place if it flips over.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So it sounds like the combination of preparation and engineering
and I guess a certain amount of luck too, you know,
all came together. Yeah, because this I mean when I
when I saw the video of it, you look and
think and I don't know that I've ever heard of
it time there right where any anything like that has happened,
And every single person on the plane has survived.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Which is yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
And they were getting them out, they were getting them
out of there very quickly. So it's kind of like
your training.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It showed. It showed that you knew how to act
in this situation.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And if you ever sit in the exit row and
they ask you if you can do it, mm, think
about that because that probably saved some lives too.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, the passengers were well enough to stand and walk
out of the plane on this situation.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
An interview with one of the guys who survived, and
he said, once it came to a halt, he looks
over at the lady next to him and they're both
hanging upside down in their seats. So they unbuckled the
seat belt and you know, fell down to the floor,
It fell down to the ceiling. And he said that
in itself was just odd.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, being in a state of being upside down is
not natural.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's different and it's weird.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And I say that, you know, that's why the number
one thing in an airplane as a passenger is buckle
your seat belt, Fasten it and make sure it's snug.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
If you shift forward quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know, it makes the difference of you hitting something
definitely if you're flipped over. We don't spend a lot
of time being up in a state of upside down.
It's disorienting, and so you think about where you're sitting
becomes where you will fall. If you're at the window,
you're going to fall into the overhead cabin. If you're
on the aisle, you are going to fall farther and
you're going to fall into the possibly debris too from
(05:34):
the crash. There's stuff that's flown around.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, you know the because most flights are safe, it's
very easy to forget that because you wind up on
a pressured schedule or you know, impatience or something like that.
How many times have you heard a flight attendant, you know,
while you're taxing to the gate, say please keep your
seat belt secured until we get to the gate. The
reason for that is the same thing. Look at what happened,
(05:59):
you know in Scottsdale whatever it was a week ago,
where a plane went off the runway and hit a
parked plane, and so you never know, you know, what
could happen, or breaks could lock and malfunction. You know,
it's the same thing. You're not going to get out
of your car until you take your seat belt off,
or you're not taking your seat belt off, I should say,
until you're stopped in your car and getting out. You
shouldn't do that either in a plane, but it really is.
(06:22):
It's difficult when things don't happen, you don't think about
the crisis being real. You tend to get more focused
on the moment and you know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Hey, look the fear of it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's what I've always admired most about all safety planners.
My dad, who worked at Exon for many years, it
was constant safety training that they went through because he
was at a refinery, so it was everything from chemicals
to heavy objects to everything. They wore hard hats and
all that, and so everything was about safety and preparation
(06:52):
and always taking the time to prepare first because you
don't have time to prepare when something is underway. It's
too late. And they actually used to do these little
safety contests where they would randomly call the house for
you know, a safety contest became mister safety. Yeah, well
(07:13):
it may have been, it may have become how it became,
you know, interested in it, but yeah, but but it
really was. It was a safety first thing. And so
that's sort of preparation and thinking. It's like the pilot's
going through a checklist. The reason that they're going through
an exhaustive checklist before every flight, and they may do
four to five six flights a day, but they're doing
the same things with the plane every single time through
(07:36):
the you know, the list of checks and making sure
everything's covered.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know, I usually can't and don't choose to dig
in and read these sort of when.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
These things happen.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I just don't enjoy reading about and imagining in my
head what happens.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Is I sort of imagining what people went through.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, it's tough to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So this is fascinating to me because of the success
rate of the here yeah and it and honestly the
number one takeaway being that they were all buckled in
and snugly. We're gonna hear more and more about it.
We'll get a full documentary on this one day.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm curious to see what the outcome is
and it is. I think there's a whole lot of
attention also right now, there's a lot more awareness from
the media of these incidents that are happening, you know,
since the horrible crash in DC a few weeks ago,
and but you know, little incidents and near misses and
those things actually do they happen every day sometimes only
(08:31):
get reported on local news. Sometimes they don't get talked
about at all.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know, some big ones that recently and it just
feels it just feels that way.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, a plane flipping is a big one, so you
don't hear that about that one. You know, every day
it is and you know, pilots and airports are generally
in any sort of climate where there's ice and you know,
snow every single season, they're very well prepared for that.
You know, it's if it's too unsafe, they're usually going
to shut the airport down. But usually runways are prepped,
(09:00):
wings are prepped and all of those things. So I'm
curious to see what, I mean, what happened? Are they
Is anybody speculating that it's just sliding that they land
around a patch of ice.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I've read I've read about there being ice. Is ice
is one of the biggest factors, but it's not the
only factor that they're investigating. And so NTSB is involved.
And I want to say the I don't remember the Canadian.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The Canadian same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
They they launched the investigation within the hour of making
sure that everybody was off the plane and okay and
all that.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I guess we'll know more once they get the cockpit recorder,
get the black boxes out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Correct missed any part of the show. Get it All
on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
Welcome to the Murphy Salmon Jody after the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
As mentioned in Three Things to Know Today, that flight,
that Delta flight that flipped over on crash landing in Toronto,
several investigations.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Underway, well underway. The marvel of it all is that
everyone's surde survived it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, and the injuries range from minor to moderate injuries.
And so one of the big things that I've already
been reading about and it's fascinating. And you know that
I'm not the It's not my favorite thing in the
world to do is fly Murphy. But yesterday, when I
first saw the images, I will never forget seeing a
plane that looks like that.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's the upside down plane.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I guess there's always going to be a chance
that video is going to exist. It looks like that
video was shot from a nearby plane. Maybe were somebody
who's just taxing, Yeah, because it wasn't. It didn't look
like it was from the terminal or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So what we're hearing already so early in the investigation,
which is fascinating to me. You know, and you get
on a plane, all your passengers, if you fly a lot,
you know, buckle your seat belt. You know about the
oxygen mask, and you know about the seat being the
flotation device, But do you know what to do if
(01:14):
you suddenly find yourself in an upside down aircraft?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, hopefully not something you get talked. Nobody speaks to
you about that.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm hoping they are buckled in so that you were not.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, that's that's what I was going to say. It's
probably more important that you're actually safe and secure, and
that is number one. Honestly, that's the reason that to
be buckled Because air travel it's still I know, there
have been horrible things that have happened lately, it is
still the safest form of travel. There's still you know,
four thousand plus flights around the US every single day,
and but you know, it's that if you ever wondered why,
(01:48):
especially if you're frequent traveler, if it feels very mundane
to do those things, it's yes, it is. But in
that one moment that you may or may not need it,
I guess I should say, when you absolutely need it,
that's why you're wearing a seat belt. If if somebody
had not been wearing a seat belt with a plane
flipping like that, they probably would not have survived.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, And everybody had their seat belt on right fastened
and not just fastened, they're saying, tightly. It can be
the difference if you're hitting bad turbulence or some whatever happens.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
A tight seat belt.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It can be the difference of a couple of inches
of you hitting something or something hitting you, or you know,
something like that when you're in a bad situation on
a plane.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But the word is that everyone was buckled in tightly,
and the rescue efforts happened quickly.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Oh, those people look like they were getting off the
plane themselves so quickly.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right attendance and everybody who you know that everything that
they're trained for happened quickly. They were spraying the aircraft
with this anti flame foam right away too, because that's
the number one concern of a crash landing is fire.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Ye jet fuel.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, So there were so many things that happened right here.
It's such a lesson, like there will be more coming
out soon with every single day. But I just thought
it was so fascinating, they say, And this was a
CRJ nine hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was also a smaller sort of.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Plane, and the smallness of it fewer people on the
plane that they're just designed for this. They're engineered to
handle this sort of thing, this sort of impact.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, the CRJ nine hundred is one that we have
flown on a lot. In fact, it's one of the
more common ones when we fly out of here that
we want to flying on. It's a very safe plane.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
The structural elements of the plane, the wings and the tail,
are designed to break away in the event of a
tip over. The seats are designed to withstand impacts of
sixteen times the force of gravity.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, I did not know any of it.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And to stay in place, and the seats to stay
in place if it flips over.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So it sounds like the combination of preparation and engineering
and I guess a certain amount of luck too, you know,
all came together. Yeah, because this I mean when I
when I saw the video of it, you look and
think and I don't know that I've ever heard of
it time there right where any anything like that has happened,
And every single person on the plane has survived.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Which is yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
And they were getting them out, they were getting them
out of there very quickly. So it's kind of like
your training.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It showed. It showed that you knew how to act
in this situation.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And if you ever sit in the exit row and
they ask you if you can do it, mm, think
about that because that probably saved some lives too.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, the passengers were well enough to stand and walk
out of the plane on this situation.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
An interview with one of the guys who survived, and
he said, once it came to a halt, he looks
over at the lady next to him and they're both
hanging upside down in their seats. So they unbuckled the
seat belt and you know, fell down to the floor,
It fell down to the ceiling. And he said that
in itself was just odd.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, being in a state of being upside down is
not natural.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's different and it's weird.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And I say that, you know, that's why the number
one thing in an airplane as a passenger is buckle
your seat belt, Fasten it and make sure it's snug.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
If you shift forward quickly.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know, it makes the difference of you hitting something
definitely if you're flipped over. We don't spend a lot
of time being up in a state of upside down.
It's disorienting, and so you think about where you're sitting
becomes where you will fall. If you're at the window,
you're going to fall into the overhead cabin. If you're
on the aisle, you are going to fall farther and
you're going to fall into the possibly debris too from
(05:34):
the crash. There's stuff that's flown around.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, you know the because most flights are safe, it's
very easy to forget that because you wind up on
a pressured schedule or you know, impatience or something like that.
How many times have you heard a flight attendant, you know,
while you're taxing to the gate, say please keep your
seat belt secured until we get to the gate. The
reason for that is the same thing. Look at what happened,
(05:59):
you know in Scottsdale whatever it was a week ago,
where a plane went off the runway and hit a
parked plane, and so you never know, you know, what
could happen, or breaks could lock and malfunction. You know,
it's the same thing. You're not going to get out
of your car until you take your seat belt off,
or you're not taking your seat belt off, I should say,
until you're stopped in your car and getting out. You
shouldn't do that either in a plane, but it really is.
(06:22):
It's difficult when things don't happen, you don't think about
the crisis being real. You tend to get more focused
on the moment and you know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Hey, look the fear of it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's what I've always admired most about all safety planners.
My dad, who worked at Exon for many years, it
was constant safety training that they went through because he
was at a refinery, so it was everything from chemicals
to heavy objects to everything. They wore hard hats and
all that, and so everything was about safety and preparation
(06:52):
and always taking the time to prepare first because you
don't have time to prepare when something is underway. It's
too late. And they actually used to do these little
safety contests where they would randomly call the house for
you know, a safety contest became mister safety. Yeah, well
(07:13):
it may have been, it may have become how it became,
you know, interested in it, but yeah, but but it
really was. It was a safety first thing. And so
that's sort of preparation and thinking. It's like the pilot's
going through a checklist. The reason that they're going through
an exhaustive checklist before every flight, and they may do
four to five six flights a day, but they're doing
the same things with the plane every single time through
(07:36):
the you know, the list of checks and making sure
everything's covered.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know, I usually can't and don't choose to dig
in and read these sort of when.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
These things happen.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I just don't enjoy reading about and imagining in my
head what happens.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Is I sort of imagining what people went through.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, it's tough to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So this is fascinating to me because of the success
rate of the here yeah and it and honestly the
number one takeaway being that they were all buckled in
and snugly. We're gonna hear more and more about it.
We'll get a full documentary on this one day.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm curious to see what the outcome is
and it is. I think there's a whole lot of
attention also right now, there's a lot more awareness from
the media of these incidents that are happening, you know,
since the horrible crash in DC a few weeks ago,
and but you know, little incidents and near misses and
those things actually do they happen every day sometimes only
(08:31):
get reported on local news. Sometimes they don't get talked
about at all.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know, some big ones that recently and it just
feels it just feels that way.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, a plane flipping is a big one, so you
don't hear that about that one. You know, every day
it is and you know, pilots and airports are generally
in any sort of climate where there's ice and you know,
snow every single season, they're very well prepared for that.
You know, it's if it's too unsafe, they're usually going
to shut the airport down. But usually runways are prepped,
(09:00):
wings are prepped and all of those things. So I'm
curious to see what, I mean, what happened? Are they
Is anybody speculating that it's just sliding that they land
around a patch of ice.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I've read I've read about there being ice. Is ice
is one of the biggest factors, but it's not the
only factor that they're investigating. And so NTSB is involved.
And I want to say the I don't remember the Canadian.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The Canadian same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
They they launched the investigation within the hour of making
sure that everybody was off the plane and okay and
all that.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I guess we'll know more once they get the cockpit recorder,
get the black boxes out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Correct missed any part of the show. Get it All
on the Murphy Salmon Jody podcast.
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